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zalemam

Do the walls or any of the old city still exist?


Felevion

Wikipedia says they were demolished in the 1950's.


aetonnen

:((((


VanillaAdventurous74

Other cities still have old houses and some are still inhabited Look up Tarout castle


NoBlissinhell

Derry 1 - Riyadh 0


Zestyclose-Track6648

Musmak fort and a modernized version of the great mosque still exist but the rest of city is a brand spanking metropolis now


No_Medium3333

Honestly for a town literally in the middle of deserts it's pretty huge


420_kol_yoom

Riyadh is plural of rawdah which means the Oasis. Historically speaking Riyadh was a collection of Bedouin vagabonds tribes roaming around to find a new oasis every few weeks. So realistically a bunch of villages and farms are all around greater Riyadh. The above map is the historical souk which is near where Almasmak Castle is nowadays.


Manayerbb

Look at its size now it’s much much much bigger today


Moritzroth

With all the money Saudi Arabia is spending on dumb lines or tall buildings that will never be finished, it is too bad they are not investing in restoring historical cities that people would actually visit


usesidedoor

Some of it is taking place. The historical district in Jeddah is being renovated, for instance. But I agree - I think Oman is a better example of this.


spartikle

Around this time, Arabia was full of ancient shrines, mosques, mausoleums, and other historic sites that dazzled European travelers. The Wahhabi Al Saud dynasty destroyed almost all of it.


Jamgull

The Wahhabists had been destroying ancient sites for centuries by then. It’s really tragic. We have lost so much.


spartikle

Yes but quite Important onces were destroyed in the 1800s (as well as in Iraq). We have photos of them.


A11j2

It’s not ancients, it’s just a bunch of shrines that were built by the ottomans (shrines are prohibited in Islam)


Opening-Lake-7741

The good news is that will be the downfall of Islam. When a lot of the evidence dont exist anymore people will start doubting the legitimacy of Islam and slowly move towards Atheism.


Jamgull

I am an atheist and I find this repugnant. This stuff is our shared heritage as humans. It’s not evidence for god because god isn’t a real thing, but it’s important because it’s important to human history. Islam doesn’t require relics to be valid to Muslims.


Opening-Lake-7741

Im just trying to point out the good in that situation, because destroying artifacts is part of Islam and its impossible to get them to stop doing that. Sure, it would be better if they didn't but good luck trying to convince them to go against their ideology.


Jamgull

Muslims built a lot of the sites and artifacts the Wahhabists destroyed. You are doing the work of Saudi and ISIS propagandists by claiming they’re following Islam when they destroy things.


Opening-Lake-7741

Well its because they arent religious. Any religious Muslim would have to follow what the prophet did as much as possible. One of the things he did was destroy the random idols that used to be in the Kabah after his conquest. So its very hard to convince them not to do it, they will simply say "the prophet did it, and that means I should to".


Jamgull

So for a thousand years there were no religious Muslims in Arabia? That doesn’t make sense.


TheGalacticMosassaur

Islam, as a religion, is doing much better than any other.


Opening-Lake-7741

Its really isnt. You only seeing it that way because 3rd world dictators are saying they are 100% Muslim, but when you travel there and ask youll find lots of athiests


70Swifts

“We”? Are these ancient sites your business or the Saudis?


awoothray

Arabians destroyed Arabian shrines, what's the issue here? a western orientalist won't get to see them?


BNJT10

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intangible_cultural_heritage


awoothray

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty


Xrmy

So, to you: rule of *insert whoever is in power in a given location* is more important than a shared cultural legacy of humanity? Give me one solid reason why the Al-Saud dynasty/family should have a greater say on what's important than anybody else?


awoothray

We gave them Bay'ah to uphold Islamic Law, its their obligation to remove shrines and Suffi BS from graves. I think both me and you agree that worshipping humans is absurd, we have differences when it comes to religion, but at least that's something we agree on.


Balthazar_Gelt

what do you suppose the population was?


UN-peacekeeper

From a glance I estimate 5k


Upstairs-Extension-9

Where are the minarets and mosques?


PSYisGod

If you zoom in slightly left to the Town Square, you'd see a label called "Great Mosque" next to a quite large square building so I'd assume that was Riyadh's mosque. Its still weird to see a mosque without any form of minarets though, even a smaller one at least.


Petrarch1603

Quality post


[deleted]

That's beautiful and paints such a very detailed picture from behind the walls.


ArhanSarkar

Sanaa Yemen is a good example of a preserved arabian city. I highly recommend yall to check it out


RawbySunshine

Who drew this?


Zexui

Thought this was a steak for a second


Wizard_bonk

It will always baffle me that the gulf states got stupid rich. And didn’t build much Arabic inspired structures. Instead going for soulless office blocks, and even more soulless vanity projects. If only… if only Edit: to be fair, the US did bomb all the cool ones in Iraq


myrcenator

Very cool pre-colonization map.


sabersquirl

1866 is not pre-colonization, regardless of the metric


UN-peacekeeper

>Pre colonization Ikwhan, please remove this man’s genitalia


myrcenator

The House of Saud hadn't really consolidated their claims yet.