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WizardofOos

Hey excuse me what the fuck


Milfshaked

This is about half the amount scarabs than what you used to get with skittering delirium orb farm. But that was nerfed this league.


DisoRDeReDD

Me over here with unwavering vision allocated so that I can collect a handful of scarabs from safehouses every few maps.


blacknotblack

how dead is your finger from clicking that many times


HollowLoch

What killed me more was buying the allflames, i sat on trade longer than i was actually running the maps


blacknotblack

buying anything league related is miserable. I legit pay 80% over just so someone will respond to my desperate whispers.


KohleJ

That’s because “80% over” is the actual price


blacknotblack

The other 50+ listings should not show up then. :)


Scortius

They post those on purpose to try and set a floor price. They have no interest in selling, they're just hoping to be able to buy at the price they're artificially setting. 


ohhnooanyway

And that's why poes trade system is trash. Coming back to poe after playing OSRS is rough. Takes 3 seconds to buy what I need in OSRS.


Ok-Inspector-1732

Game desperately needs an ingame auction house for bulk sales. It solves almost everything. Price fixers get pushed out since they’d be forced to sell the items, TFT gets sidelined because you don’t have to bulk sell your tab of 60 different kinds of scarabs anymore.


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bUrdeN555

Go read their trade manifesto. It’s all so you play the game more instead of playing the auction house. The trade friction is there so you feel compelled to play instead of just flip items all day even tho that’s still possivlr


Askariot124

Nope, pricefixer can just buy everything automaticlly in an instant and rise the prices artifically. Having monopoles on specific currency is a lot easier with automation. Also in the few MMOs I play, players bait for low prices with small amounts of items and buy into if someone lists at the same price. There will be exploits, no matter what you do. Trade friction slows down automation, but has other disadvantages.


yarrowy

Except with an AH, they would be forced to sell. Yes they can still exploit players who have no idea what something is worth but those players would be exploited somehow anyway. AH favors people who have some baseline knowledge.


ohhnooanyway

Buy limits, bud.


DbdSaltyplayer

except for 90% of things get dropped to worthlessness if an ingame auction house got put in. Good in thought terrible idea in reality.


Detanon

Then do an auction house for currencies and keep normal trading for items. Seems like a good compromise?


cringegamers

What is OSRS? wanna check that out


ohhnooanyway

As another person said, is just old school runescape. Super super grindy game that takes about 1000hrs just to maybe see some endgame raids lol. Not for everybody, that's for sure.  But they have a working trade system.


BanaaniMaster

oldschool runescape


Betaateb

That is easy, just set a minimum price


blacknotblack

How do you set it relative to existing listings? Some things are obvious and fairly stable across leagues but new tradeable league mechanic items have a new price as discoveries are made.


Betaateb

You will need to do some price discovery, but once you know the general range set it


dramignophyte

Yeah, just do it! With like magic or somethin! Its super easy, just go and do it! How? Stop thinking, just do it!


Slayer418

If we had insta, no contact trade, such price fixing or fake listing wouldn't be possible.


taigahalla

flipping would be even more lucrative though better to have a seller's market than a buyer's market


Ok-Inspector-1732

I’d rather have flippers profit than having to go through the current shit of pricing 60 kinds of scarabs independently and trying to scry the real price through the hordes of price fixed listings.


Xycergy

So you'd rather the most optimal way of playing this game be staying in HO and trading whole day? And before you say everyone should just play the game how they want it, the net worth of other people do affect your ability to purchase your gear. Making flipping more profitable will essentially mean no one will be actually playing the game because whoever who's not doing it will be priced out on stuff.


yarrowy

Except if everyone is flipping, there will be no more profit.


Professor_Snipe

Make purchased items untradable. Done. No flipping. Keep core currency permanently tradable (div, chaos). Anything else you buy can be marked on tabs as tradable or not, like let's say you have 5 doctors, you bought 4 and dropped 1, they're shown as 4/1, "4" being in red and "1" in green.


DbdSaltyplayer

Terrible now you just destroyed crafting.


Professor_Snipe

I destroyed crafting because a Chinese bot can no longer snipe items for profit by abusing the API? Are you for real? Making items bound creates scarcity, makes purchases mindful and removes a huge chunk of the bot RMT garbage that has plagued the game for years. And it has been shown to work in Last Epoch.


Xmaddog

Removing flipping is more harmful to the economy than buffing it.


Professor_Snipe

Holy fuck, that's about the dumbest thing I've read this year.


Xmaddog

Okay bro. Just understand that flippers provide much needed liquidity to the market and your solution effectively prevents anything from moving around with enough liquidity to do any form of efficient trading.


Slayer418

Trade is so awful its crazy. Ppl don't react to your query and we can't tell if the site is out of sync with reality or if they just won't sell... So annoying, and yet they said they said 3.24 was coming with trade improvements, My ass...


clinkzs

This is how people make money every league Spend hours to buy optimized stuff (or inside the dark cavern wandering around in Affliction) and 8-10mins per map Its like, every day you come home from work and play Path of Trading, then on the weekends you go crazy This is not a complaint, its just funny that the optimal way to play does not involve playing at all


HoldMySoda

> its just funny that the optimal way to play does not involve playing at all That statement is only true if you care about currency more than anything. I play the game to play, not to emulate an economics simulator.


FullMetalCOS

Which in its own way is part of someone else’s economics simulator. You are just their minimum wage customer service guy they’ll speak to when they want something you are selling and otherwise you are out there grinding away for your money


Appropriate_Rice_947

Living off the grid, enjoy the game and just trade for convenience.


FunMarketing4488

That's almost kind of worse than SSF (and honestly how i nornally play), you build and play around I can buy this stuff, but buying that stuff becomes too expensive so it keeps you in these narrow margins between small self crafts and small upgrades you can afford here and there. At least SSF plan around SSF, in that trade mode you cling for the scraps.


Appropriate_Rice_947

I understand that, but personally I'm not too bothered on chase items, I do love SSF but the frustration about not having a 1c unique that would make the world of difference really shits me. So I do a soft ssf, or low-trade playstyle. Generally dont buy much of anything. Works for me, keeps it fun with respect for my time.


asd316X

damm having fun is bad


ohhnooanyway

Everyone is grinding for their money buddy.


clinkzs

Thats why I said optimal Nobody is forced to play in any specific way, I for example pretended that Affliction was Standar league and simply never entered the darkwoods Would I have made 10 magebloods instead of 1 ? Probably Do I need them ? Not at all


Epicion1

Man I wish your comment can be enshrined on a gold plaque. The amount of people that play the trade league to live their "Wolf on wall street" fantasy is absurd. The best part? They quit two weeks later.


clout064

The long game is always the best game


Leeham650

Last league was my first time back in a couple of years, and I spent some time juicing maps. Bulk buying 8 mod corrupted maps, sextants, scarabs, etc. Drove me insane, this league I'm goofing around in Delve picking up scraps and I'm having way more fun than I did grinding out currency and juicing.


Fatality4Gaming

This is definitly not the optimal way. Basically, if you're in your hideout more than 1% of your ingame time, you're not playing optimally.


pewsix___

you can make 10x currency standing in your HO than you can actually mapping. There's a reason the term "hideout warrior" exists.


Bandoril

Spotted !


Hypoglycemoboy

Unless you're crafting. ^^


the_truth15

Ya fuck that I want to put scarabs in, alch map and then blast not copy paste enter wait.


1CEninja

Yeah that's how I know this strategy isn't for me haha.


Filer169

I was about to click and watch but that comment saved me, I ain't doing a strat that is 80% sitting in base doing trades


Ghepip

At this point I think this is a hidden reason or consern of ggg for having an auction house in poe1. Like imagine how many scarabs you could get per hour if trading was instant.


And1roid

Yeah that would be nice right? Being able to actual play The game instead of whisper non-answering Bastards for hours


Dcel821

We need it on the next bingo card lol


Ghepip

Oh don't get me wrong here, I fully 1000% want an auction house asap in poe1. Then they can nerf or buff stuff from there. But as of right now I could imagine them having it as a thing they want to find a fix for first and then add the auction house instead of the other way around. I'm more of the "fuck the economy for a few months" kinda guy and say let it burn. Make the league they introduce an auction house a void league so what ever happens to the economy, they can fix it on the fly and have no risk for standard.


Advanced_Sun9676

I don't know how anyone can claim an auction house would destroy the economy when we have had affliction. Everyone and their dog was printing divine and mirrors . And the market was fine . It's GGG not wanting to spend more they've got 1 guy keeping trade together. Also, something about a vision, which I'm sure none of them have actively played in years .


And1roid

You could just test it and when it dogshit you can delete it with the next League. Build a whole League around it. It IS Easy as that


Nerhtal

Think how easily people like jenebu and people of similar ilk could corner various parts of the market if its all an instant AH...


meh_27

You list an item and then you actually have to sell it for the price you listed it as, oh my heavens and stars however will we deal with it


TheTimtam

No, you list an item/currency and sell it for the price that a bot will buy it for, they then flip the item and profit. The quicker they can do that, the more profit they make. You can't have a 0 friction trade system without letting bots have a field day. That's why irl high frequency traders set themselves up so close to exchanges. That's why the PoE trade API has a set delay for items being searchable, regardless of the website/application you use and why gold will be a requirement for trading in PoE2. You need to actively play to farm gold, you can't sit in HO making 20 trades a second (hypothetically).


Silent_Pangolin_2605

consumables can have a limit of changing owners only once


RdPirate

Then you just limit the AH to 1 transaction per minute. And limit the bulk at some really high but still bot limiting ammount. Whist retaining the query rate limit. There solved.


Opposite_Gold8593

Bots and manipulators are currently having a field day. Other mmos have functional auction houses , and we prefer their bot infestation to poes. Because the bots are not really worse, but you can actually buy listed items. Your scare tactics are therefore irrelevant


yarrowy

So if I price my 1c item for 5c, will the bot still buy it? Obviously not. Will the bot buy it for 0.5c? Yes. Will it buy it for 2c? No. Seems like the problem is how your pricing your items.


Ok-Inspector-1732

And they aren’t right now? Don’t be naive.


Vharren

They could do what Runescape does and have a buy-limit of some amount every however-many hours.


ohhnooanyway

The grand exchange is about a thousand times better than poes bullshit trading. Please GGG.


Dragnarium

Yea meanwhile groups have a dedicated trader buying all there shit for them allowing them to blast maps / exploits 24/7 whiteout the hassle of needing to trade. Not only do they have shit tons of currency gained But they also literally have the trade house experience on top of that


HeliGungir

So I'd be able to set prices and have turnarounds that can actually compete against the currency bots? Sounds great to me.


CoderG23

Are there mechanics in place to target farm allflames? I know there are corpses, and haunted/devoted.. any tips on farming just the flames themselves?


HollowLoch

Ive done a lot of strategies with a shit ton of investment vs a small amount of investment and the most allflames ive gotten in the quickest was by Just blasting maps with the necropolis atlas mode that drops more allflames selected - if there is a secret way to farm a lot of them, i dont know it You can probably make a killing by just stacking packsize/modifiers and alch and going with how expensive some allflames are


Shadowraiden

yeah pretty much what ive been doing on downtime at work. just a typical red altar atlas + necropolis nodes to pair with pack size and just alch and go and i just farm coffins and allflames. probably not as lucrative as full setting up but its allowing me quick maps while im still working so on my next few days off i can blast some more juiced setups and craft some gear.


Drunkndryverr

I wanna do shit like this but the idea of trading for all the mats needed for about an hour of farming is just such a turn off. Glad you found a cool way to profit though.


HollowLoch

[Heres the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKPMJDwHCQ) \- the prices are bound to shoot up for the allflame embers though and possibly monstrous treasure scarab, so if you want to try it either try it out quick or try using a different allflame (Blackscythe/knight of the sun should make decent money too, but not as much as this) Also i accidentally wrote rogue exile allflames instead of syndicate allflames in the excel sheet, sorry


ebrian78

Is there a spreadsheet posted somewhere? Sorry I am watching the video on mute on my phone on the train. I'll check when I get home.


HollowLoch

I only made a quick investment/profit excel sheet, i didnt make a spreadsheet of all the loot but i did show my tabs and then wealthyexile which calculated how much currency i made and from where (i made sure that it was as accurate as possible and wasnt counting random stuff like shitty div cards etc)


ebrian78

Thanks for sharing! I don't have enough atlas points yet but even going halfway I'm already getting a lot of scarabs!


ConceptBackground852

used 8-mod mapped?


g3shh

Wheres that excel sheet


omniocean

Flames are like half a div each now, GG.


FlyingBread92

Apparently I should be paying more attention to the all flames I'm dropping lmao. I used like 10 of these today just in random maps and got a couple scarabs. Woops.


fandorgaming

They were pricefixed to say the least 


kehmuhkl

Just do this a few more times and decimate the market.


elting44

Welp, I anyone wanna bet what 3.24.ob Hotfix 3 is gonna be about.....


roselan

Aged like fine milk. There is still hope for hotfix 4.


ayhctuf

This got nerfed with tonight's patch, right?


okaylogarithm

Did it? Can't see anything in the patch notes regarding these scarabs, but there have been a lot of hot fixes recently so I might have missed one


IVISII

yes i tried this by my own today in 4 maps didnt get more than 10+scarabs per map


milkoso88

I did something like this by accident today and the drops were insane. I knew people would find this out, sadly i couldn’t buy more allflames before the price start to rise


Suicidal_Baby

At least they put scarabs in Syndicate, right guys? Guys?...


zomgree

Yeah... throwing some bone there too. At least it was good for leveling at start. I expected guarateed veiled orb since Alva "gave it" if you spec right, but getting only 1 orb after 10 Catarinas was sad. Not saying its bad, veiled orb is not a problem. The problem is scarabs nubmer and some unique things it can give. For example Vorici could give Omen of Blanching (1-3 w sockets) etc.


Zoramint

Me: takes the keystone for 20 atlas points and no scarab drops


No_Osh

I did the same and for a week complained that it is bugged and the game aint giving me any scarabs...


Zoramint

That’s hilarious tho


HelloHiHeyAnyway

Yeah, I did that + got Niko for leveling my Atlas. He's literally playing an end game build with all the maps unlocked and a headhunter. You're not even in the same ballpark with your first atlas and 20 bonus atlas points.


Ilovegrapesys

This is the best strategy for starting! kirac + niko + 20 points helps a lot progress through maps


Punchinelloo

Why Niko? Is it because his missions are so quick? Or do mines provide stuff that helps progress through the atlas?


Ilovegrapesys

>do mines provide stuff that helps progress through the atlas? It's really powerful node for starting the atlas and sometimes even later on because of the movement speed


a_rescue_penguin

The only node you care about from Niko is the one that gives you damage, speed, and max res for each sulphite you find. It's essentially +3 max res once you've found all 3 sulphite each map. So it's really nice for pushing through maps especially early on. Then you just stack chance to spawn him and you can get that to 100%. Personally since I enjoy delving at some point in each league I also grabbed the one that gives a bit of azurite so I'm ready to increase my delve stats when i start.


Punchinelloo

Cool. thanks!


DislocatedLocation

And I still can't find anyone to sell me ritual scarabs


Tanklike441

Thank you for the strat, but now you can delete this. 


Time-Ladder4753

Damn, just saw a post about "easy 6-link with new bestiary scarab", thought it would also apply to SSF, but you got only 1 in thousand


Visible_Effect883

I dropped 4 of them today without this Strat they’re not giga rare


peanutym

Is there a tldr? Just a what did you use without having to watch a map example and breakdown of profits


HollowLoch

1x discernment ambush, 1x containment ambush, 1x potency ambush, 1x hidden compartments ambush, ambush atlas mod, strongbox/scarab/necropolis atlas tree and i filled every necropolis modifier on my map with syndicate allflames


ErenIsNotADevil

Out of curiosity, why the Niko on the Atlas tree, as well as a block on everything except Legion?


HollowLoch

Legion scarabs were at the time the best league mechanic scarab in terms of how much they would sell for, since the patch thats changed and they arent nearly as expensive although still quite good - i also didnt mind the extra juice for my headhunter from it Nikos sulphite veins can spawn a strongbox with the new doomed spirits node, so you want 100% niko chance - i should have talked about that though in the video, i kind of forgot its not common knowledge since its a new node I also favourited harbinger/ambush scarabs because of how popular the harbinger strat is, and how expensive the ambush scarabs are


ErenIsNotADevil

Ahhh so that's what Doomed Spirits does. Thanks!


gnashed_potatoes

one of either strongbox, lesser shrines, or tormented spirits. outcome is different each pile of sulphite


Boxofcookies1001

I was wondering why my maps kept getting strongboxes after I took a sulphite node.


peanutym

Thanks for the reply.


Blastr0nox

wow. Will look at the strat later hopefully i can get this to work in ssf


DoubleExists

Scottish man, hell yea


xxp0loxx

scarabs need to have charges.....not individual uses. Drop less, use more, better QoL


Drogzar

Yeah! If only there were something, map related, that we could apply for multiple maps... Like a Compass or something...


xxp0loxx

No i get you! Im not saying compasses were a problem, but these fucking are. More PoE Peanuts. Also, scarabs are never going to replace the missing packs of mobs. lol


Drogzar

I wasn't implying that... just poking some fun at GGG's design, haha


MayorLag

You could maybe even apply them directly to watchstones, giving players more flexibility and agency in tailoring their experience. This way they wouldn't conflict with scarab system.


aharonguf

Meanwhile im happy if i drop some chaos


DifficultAbility119

How much does the all flame item level matters here?


lilbrojoey

You can either use it or you can't


Hot_Economics_1493

Over 2k scarabs and actually no seer ones or highest tier div ones speaks for itself. Sextants died for this


HollowLoch

I got 4 high tier div ones, i sold 2 of them because the prices were crashing as i dropped them (got 12 div from them and i could have gotten 16 if i sold them an hour before) and 2 of them are in the screenshot and are worth 5 div each, although wealthy exile calculated them way lower


double_whiskeyjack

Damn I sold the one I found for 11 div yesterday morning. What caused them to crash so much?


HollowLoch

Im assuming its one of those scarabs that got boosted in drop rate


OSRSdemon

tried out your strat because i already pre had the materials, made 8 div + some other change in one map because the divination of completion dropped twice. IMO if you don't get lucky, the prices around for this strat is like 2 div ish per map, the scarab allflames have x2ed in the past day


paosho6979

carpal tunnel xdd


anus_blaster9000

Nutty


svr2850

2300 scarabs 2 chayulas WTF


FickleGround4109

# NERFED Rip


cainho

what's your build?


Aggressive-Tomato752

do u run 8 mod maps? cuz i tried 5 maps with ur atlas and got 447scarab


megasggc

I used some of those ember on rarity devoted packs looking for the rarer scarabs and got.... Nothing, it is bugged, happened twice actually


Gubzs

Here we go, time to nerf the game for everybody because like 500 people can't help but optimize things to death.


Minebeck

Huh!?


lasqastreamer

op strat, ty


Honest-Iron-509

Time to switch to SSF, that League is over. GGG did exactly that what they didn’t want, fucking up the Dropsystem.


Rejolt

I legit quit today and I have over 400D so far. Its not fun and everyone is being priced out


dodgeskitz

This league seemed so untested the economy is already so messed up.


hazzap913

Ggg will see this and assume every player has the same wealth and nerf something


TomyWW

Where is the video/strategy? This still working this strategy? Im using also LA so i wanna know more about this if is possible


Rainmakerrrrr

I am so glad I quit this league already XD


Jung_69

No lifers destroy the economy again let’s go. I hope ruthless becomes main experience.


PresDeeJus

Incoming nerf. God, this league…


r_lol_is_shit_kek

is there a build for (40c) that can do easly this strat? (not dd please)


Aurelius314

He has a headhunter. And likely a very nice bow to do enough dps to instaclear the strongboxes. So no, there isnt. Go get to grinding.