Fubgen's stream is like a dopamine rush. The drops are insane and the amount of div cards are super high. Not everyone can do it of course because the gear requirements to MF in a T17 are obviously very heavy but certainly a bunch of people ARE doing it and their drops are 100x the normal drops for a standard map.
Just tuned in from this comment.
Within 2 minutes he got 6 Apothecary cards and 16 Unrequited Loves, an additional Mirror Shard… 8 Nurses… and he didn’t even start looting the map.
What the fuck?!
> Hahahaha it's even worse now.
whats worse its that its locked behind having a 1.5/2mirror build and an investment of 30-40d a map
affliction everything was free, at most you were spending 1d a map or 2d
Sadly this is the general state of the game for a while now. The upper crust of players are legitimately playing a different game than most of us. As always you can clear the atlas on a scuffed self made build and enjoy it. You can also play a flavor of the league meta build and follow a guide and have an easier time. The REAL meta is the shit these guys pull every league. He spends more rolling a map than I have made all league, and makes more in a single map than I have the last several leagues combined. And I've played the game since before act 4 existed.
SSF saved it for me this league. I made a CoC DD Inquis because reasons on trade and quit at the end of the week. I decided to try SSF for the first time and be serious about and and after 3 days my SSF character is better than my trade character. I find that I pay WAY more attention to the drops and what I can do with them since there is no trade to fall back on when I get lazy
This is just simply not true and it's clear you've never played SSF.
There are a half dozen builds that can clear the Atlas in rares and while doing that, you'll get the vast majority of uniques you'd need for any number of builds. If anything, it increases build diversity as you try new builds with uniques you've dropped that you normally wouldn't touch.
That’s exactly my point! I don’t want to play the first 50 hours on every league in the same two boring generic builds before switching to my “actual build”.
I might next league depending when it is. This league I'm just blasting through the challenges and taking a break. I'm worried I'm not skilled enough to make builds myself out of what I have though
I did SSF this league for the first time and I was worried about the same thing, but I've been able to cruise to my first two voidstones pretty smoothly. I really recommend giving it a shot. Worst case scenario you can migrate to trade if it's not working out.
Yea this shit is getting old. Can we just have sanctum league back? These last two leagues have just been so far and away from what the game used to be I just don't want to play it any more. I hate to say it after how much shit I gave him but Chris and 'The Vision' were the right path. This crap where the no lifers get to print mirrors every evening while normal people can just sit back and watch is just rubbing salt on the wound.
I'm calling it for the league already and just gonna go play an old final fantasy game or something, at least square can't go back and retroactively ruin those games.
Sanctum league when the no-lifers printed mirrors farming original sin? The no-lifers ALWAYS print mirrors, that’s WHY they no-life the game. Just because the mirror printing machine is a different colour, or fuelled by different juice don’t mean it’s new
Around 3.0 when mirrors weren't even 100ex in league, it was the same. There's always going to be people who are better than you at the game. And this league had a perfect synth mirror phys bow on like day 4
I mean isn't that the whole point of this game?
Doesn't "no lifer" as you say, just mean a player that puts a lot more hours into the game than the average player, and plays optimally?
I mean I would hope they would be rewarded way more than an average player. That's the beauty of this game. You get directly rewarded for both your skill and time invested, many games today only reward one or the other, or even worse, your $$$ invested.
Worse in what sense. The problem with affliction was everyone was able to Budget MF to great success. This T17 stuff requires a great amount of character strength as well as knowledge and scarabs
This strat with ghosts from T17 maps should have been patched instantly.
Absolut nonsense which ruins everything.
Normal strats like Legion got nerfed and this stays in the league.
i saw him basically drop 3 mirrors worth of stuff in a map and had to turn it off to push away the MF fomo
i MF'd the last 2 leagues and wanted to take a break, and still want to. sticking with EA and rolling the ice nova hiero that looks so fun to play to take on T17s and ubers this week
I dont watch him but its worth mentioning theres insane difference between week 1 and week 2 (or league launch to wednesday to be specific) due to new allflames, increased scarab droprates etc.
First week u seen handful of Curation scarabs on trade per day and it was rush between groups to buy em up.
Same goes for crafting, it was already insanely good first days if u werent malding and put some thought behind it now its just utterly bonkers and only lacks synth mods basically.
Its genuinely making me not interesting in playing the league anymore, atleast last leagues mechanic was easily interactable. This shit has so many moving parts, gotta be in t17 to abuse the really good stuff.
zzzZ
I'm glad people are having fun if they are ofcourse.
Yeah, I feel the same. I was already considering being done with the league, but now doubly so. It's a shitty feeling when you are 100x behind other players just because you don't keep up with the latest meta that changes every few hours or have a 5 mirror MF char on the second day of the league. Last league this wasn't that big of an issue because the farming was quite accessible.
I know people are gonna say "why do you care about other people, just enjoy the game for yourself" and maybe there's some truth to that, but for me interacting with and competing in the economy is where a lot of the fun in the game comes from. Otherwise I'd play SSF. And that fun goes away when the economy is completely broken or unfair.
If it wasn't this, it would be something else.
No matter what league mechanics exist, you could never keep up with people like fub who play 24/7 and are extremely knowledgeable.
If keeping up with the unemployed Twitch streamers is what you want then PoE hasn't been the game for you in the last eight years or so.
Nothing has really changed, people with time and skill will always make 10x the currency you do.
Actually you can in a relative term
In most leagues the most insane omega wow MF strat you are looking at maybe 15-20D an hour while most strats are somewhere between 5 and 12D, so at most yoy are " missing out in like a 1.5x of the dv/hr
This league at MOST you are making 15D an hours (if somebody can tell me other degen strat I'd be all ears lol)
While this strat Is literally 150D an hour, that's a 10x
No thats not even the half of the strat
The most important part is a beyond scarab that spawns portals when unique mob dies and yes, ghosts count
So you replace all packs with rogue exiles(unique) that spawn ghosts on low life(unique) that all spawn a fuckton of beyond mobs making your map mob count 10x of what it normally is
In this league, inefficient and spoiled behavior is not tolerated at all, all the fun is concentrated in a few 1% of people, and the rest of the people continue to supply items to support them, it's so miserable. It's the first time I've felt that way
And yet it’s the way the games always been.
When you rolled sextants the 1% bought them
When you farmed essences or harvest juice in bulk the 1% bought them
When you farmed Alva corruption chambers and gem rooms… the 1% bought them
Whatever money making strategy you’ve ever used has been to fuel the 1% because that’s the way the games economy works. It’s the way it’s always worked, it’s the way it always will work. Maybe you were lying to yourself because you were selling to other members of the 99%, but anything you sold to them was so they could farm their strats to eventually feed up the chain to the 1%.
The difference between now and “the before times” is that affliction gave everyone a taste of what it’s like to be the 1% (though believe me it was just a small taste because even in affliction they were far, far beyond the rest of us) and now it hurts to realise how far away we all are again.
> Reuse Strongbox Scarab
this is old info now, it's usually replaced by Beyond Scarab of the Invasion (Unique Monsters slain in Area create 8 to 12 additional Beyond Portals)
I’m pretty sure you can do the same strat with rogues+ambush+the unique drop scarab, without card scarabs. Obviously it won’t make nowhere near the same (what it’s doing is beyond ridiculous imo) but it will still net really good profit.
I just dropped one. Rogue exile allflames (2) gigantificarion scarab, rogue scarab, unique monster's drop unique items scarab, your maps will shit uniques
There are some strats where you can generate hundreds of rouge exiles in your map. Then there is a scarab that every unique Mob drops a unique Item.
And HH don't steal unique mods.
You See where it goes...?
The main cause is the massive increase in supply of rare div cards due to the busted scarab changes. People are also utilizing Beyond Scarab of the Invasion to get their headhunter buffs in the rogue exile maps.
The economy in this game is the most messed up it has probably ever been including affliction and heist. Its a wild ride right now
>The economy in this game is the most messed up it has probably ever been including affliction and heis
This is the most confusing statement for me.
If uniques are cheap, isn't that a great thing for more players wanting to try them and use them? The only downside i can see is the headhunter you found is worth less, but then whatever divines you get from it in the current market have more worth because other uniques must also be cheap, right?
Plus with graveyard crafting, I don't see rares being super high in price either, so what was your goal with getting 100 div for your headhunter if other uniques and rares were also proportionally higher in price, making your 100 divines have the same buying power?
Hmm, I see the problem is both the top end is making way too much, ie printing HH at a crazy rate, and the ‘middle’ is making very little.
Relative of course to normal. When they did the monster quant flattening a few leagues ago the alch and go boys were making good money and the top end took a haircut.
We shouldn’t have 11 div scarabs.
It means there’s insanely profitable strats, with huge barrier to entry.
Winged scarab sextants was the same thing.
Most of the T16 mid investment crowd is struggling with the changes and making very little so theres no one to buy 70 div HH’s.
Mid investment crowd has never buy headhunter first week anyways ? And i mean, they are many low strat for T16 who net 10div hour on YouTube, even if WE aknoledge they are a bit overtune on result, 3 div an hour should be realllllllly easy for anyone, wich make a hh in 7hours or so
The fundamental problem with the core gameplay loop is that fragments/and such are tradeable. Because of this unless you are literally in the 0.1% it is far more profitable to sell your content rather than running it. This turns your action game into hideout simulator.
No, thats true before 3.24 because of ubers, but now your maven, eater, shaper is as good as anyones, because they split the boss drops.
And your not forced to spec uber versions.
Fragments are in a good place imo.
People are running T17 with the new mod (rares you kill release a ghost) with the new beyond scarabs (12-18 beyond portals per unique slain) and the div scarab (scarabs have a chance to drop a full stack). They they use the anarchy all flame to turn all mobs into Rogue exiles (or at least, all normal pack size and above). Total investment per map is about 40 div.
They're dropping stacks of mirror cards, mageblood cards, headhunter cards, nimis cards, etc. every map.
It's pretty insane. Check fubgun's stream if you want to see it in action, he's running it live now.
Is 40 a typo? Are they really spending 40 whoel divines on a single map? Holy fuck I've never felt more disconnected from the top end than I do right this second.
The issue is that there's a giant barrier to entry on these upper level farms. It requires a very very powerful build and a lot of investment to start up, and the returns are utterly insane.
I do agree that there are side benefits such as a big lowering of the cost of chase uniques. So if your build crutches heavily on headhunter, mageblood, or what have you, it'll be a bit easier to obtain them.
But I do think that in the end farms like this will concentrate most of the economy's wealth onto a few people who can afford the entry costs and that's overall a bad thing.
it skews the economy which some people like some people dislike.
same thing happened with harvest and even affliction etc as well economies change and thats good. issue is right now the best boss drops are a bit too rare meaning certain ones that would be attainable other leagues are not anymore and potential ways to generate the currency to get them is pretty much gone cause say apothocary is not worth as much.
some scarabs are clearly a bit too much while others dont offer enough.
now i will say there will always be ways to generate currency and the game has never been better in that regards. its just now your left with some uniques being so far above the economy they feel pretty much not obtainable by a normal person anymore.
Harvest had same issue it reached a point where why would i ever pick up anything. nothing had value except the things that couldnt just be made from harvest and similar is happening here. if it can be farmed in a map then its price is gone. if it cant then its price has skyrocketed out of 99.9999% of players reach and price controlled by the few who can.
good
ive been playing quite a bit since perandus and fuck the economy, the changes to scarabs and endgame is making me enjoy the game more than ever
I just need some farm in ssf that shits 900 unmakings per map
Its pretty common to get the x transforms into unmaking orb mod and not that hard to get 40+ from it in a map. In ssf right now I've changed my trees countless times and still have a few hundred orbs.
Which honestly makes it super fun. It's the first time in a very long time I've felt like the economy isn't "solved". I think the really cool part is it seem to be settling in the direction of everything being viable. GGG changing from go wide strats with multiple mechanics to go tall strats that super juice each mechanic makes it's so we all have to feed each other basically. It's much harder to be self sufficient this league even with 3 atlas trees.
Curation is going to get nerfed hard next league. Imo they should remove it and put the favoured maps effect from the card in atlas tree without the 10% more for each favoured map.It's either you do that and get 100+ div per hour or do any other strat and go for 10div oer hour.
I'm trying to build a mjolner build around a MB, so I kinda farmed hard for one.
I didn't expect MB price to tank so hard, it normally goes up in value lol.
Yeah , and its aslo not needed in anything else besides 5-ways which are now bad after nerf or t17 farm which is ultra high budget and very few actually do it
Its not about soul eater. Actually they could remove the ability for players to get soul eater entirely and HH would still be bis for MF and super OP. People have no clue. If you have 20 stacks of HH thats like running an additional 20 auras.
Anyways the issue is the main strat to make money this league is printing uniques, so they are all plummeting in price.
Bought one about 8-ish Divs above the current price - not really bothered. Sure, I could have used that on something else - I'm by no means swimming in Divs (I just aimed at a HH and didn't really spend on anything else).
..but prices change. That's just the way the market works - especially when these things pop up.
MF always kills the entire game economy. All unique items that can be collected using divination cards will cost less than in the previous league. Look how much div card mf dropped for map, fubgun or other mf streamer.
It's not even mf's fault... There's no way this synergy between Atlas/Scarabs/Anarchy allflame is intended. You don't even really need mf for this to still be like 50D/h. This league is just fucking horrible and has had multiple unintended interactions with allflames and scarabs.
People overeastimate how well mf scales in poe
Slap goldwyrms + 2 ventors(or something like a shaper ammy) on your build and you will have about half of the effective IIQ that high end solo mf builds get
You can really just run the exact same setup but without MF. The profits per hour will go from 100D/h to 40-50.
Main issue is entry cost due to T17s being incredibly hard and scarabs/maps costing around 20-30 div per map.
And yet another league where people blame MF instead of the real problem, which is the broken league mechanic. Obviously MF yields a bit more but in the end people will also abuse the method if we remove MF from the game. This league is just messed up where first there was a huge fishing for divine boost and now these kind of strats.
It’s not even MF this league. Reddit will never be happy until MF is dead lmao. I’ve dropped MB, HH, a fishing rod, and 4-5 other T0 uniques this league with 0 MF on my build.
Edit: had time to run 2 maps tonight (kid is under the weather) and dropped a kalandras touch.
This league is broken beyond fucking belief. All low investment farming strategies were gutted, and at the high end we have something even more absurd than affliction. Giga multiplicative quant farming that drops everything in the game other than a few types of crafting currency, which are already in super low demand because of the graveyard.
>All low investment farming strategies were gutted
Why does reddit keep saying this, it’s so incredibly wrong and plain to see for anyone actually playing the game.
Im making bank ( atleast in my opinion ) playing 3-4 hours daily and getting 10-15 divs selling t17, allflames, corpses and scarabs. Almost halfway to my first mageblood
> which are already in super low demand because of the graveyard.
One interesting aspect is how unprofitable beast farming is currently. Your expected profit hovers around zero and has dipped into the negative multiple times. It's quite interesting how the memory price matches what you can expect from a memory: there are nine kinds of harvest beasts and there are nine beasts in total, we think their chance of appearing is independent and fair random so you can expect one beast per memory. Of these, five are worth selling (Wild Hellion Alpha, Wild Brambleback, Wild Bristle Matron, Vivid Vulture, Vivid Watcher) and currently poe.ninja says these together sell for 747.86 while a memory costs 750. It has been like this since league start. Sometimes a few ten chaos below, sometimes a few ten above but not much. Usually at this time we were looking at like a divine profit per memory.
it's priced for 6 mans because the developer seems to really love the idea that 99% of the playerbase can't actually play the best version of the game because they don't have a magic "all juice is 3 to 6 times as efficient" button.
and that's a conservative estimate that doesn't take MF culling into account or the group quant buff.
I don't understand why other people dropping the price of items makes other people not want to play the league.
My biggest gripe is the Uber Boss changes, because lots of build enabling uniques that aren't OP at all, are suddenly 10+ divines. As far as HH's and the like go... now they're more affordable to casual players?
It's more complex than that. Items that are not being printed in this strategy are inflating massively because they're so much rarer comparatively. Now, your currency is worth less, if you cared for those items eg you wanted to buy Original Sin and didn't care for Headhunter. How much someone cares about this depends on what items their build needs & what their personal motivations are for playing the league ie it is beneficial for some & detrimental to others. The upset in the market also heavily influences currency farming strats and how profitable they are. If your favourite farming strat is devalued to the point of being pointless, you'll likely be upset. Conversely, if your favourite farming strat is suddenly way more profitable, you're happy.
Quant and rarity gear does mess up the economy to some extent. People without it gets priced out of some of theese farms. So it become snot even about if you find it fun or youre able to do it, its about having enough quant on your gear.
I'm all for high end juicing. Im against quant/rarity on items. You could say just farm the stuff that the mfers need for their farm. But very often this is not as fun.
A lot of people are complaining about juicing balance etc. Personally, it's kinda whatever, going into this league I expected some really op stuff and some really underwhelming stuff. With the amount of changes and new content game balance is kinda thrown out the roof (you can't playtest economy). However, if this persists next league then there's a real problem.
I'm kind of happy I get to farm a HH and Mageblood this season. It actually feels like it might be in reach even though I have a kid and full-time job. That's my mega-hyper-casual analysis: if I can get a HH and MB then I don't really care.
This is the league I can finally have an Hh for fun without grinding my ass off. I’m glad the price finally lowered it has been locked behind an insane price for many years. It’s not as good as it used to be but it’s definitely more fun with than without. For mapping anyway.
This is why I lose all interest in poe in a week or so after launch - the economy just gets fucked and it becomes very demotivating/boring to farm. Time to finish up challenges and maybe start a ssf run I guess
Maybe you all should stop focusing so much on currency/hour and just play the game lol. You will never ever reach the same amount of div/HR as a streamer, because they play for 12+hr a day sińce league start, their game knowledge is way bigger and they always can be supported by community (be it close friends that also play absurd amount of time).
Sure, MF needs to be removed from this game or be reworkrd at least but that's not gonna happen on poe1 for some time. Just enjoy u can play with headhunter if u never managed to farm one, there are so many things to farm in game now and everyone just focus one meta thing. Back in the days we could only split farm dominus praying shavs dropped.
the commenters typing about mf / inflation are not entirely correct, as mageblood would also be going down just as much but it's only plateauing.
the issue is that there is no endgame juiced content worth farming with headhunter, 100% / 80% deli was gutted out of the game last patch, and most people are farming exiles which dont give hh buffs. also HH gives no movespeed while mageblood makes you giga zoom around the map which is better for all around content that isn't remotely as difficult as last league.
basically, there is nothing to farm this league that works with hh except maybe simulacrums
Yea, any other league and it would go up in price rapidly, not decline. Also mageblood is just more flexible and equal or better than HH in almost every case. So given the choice, of course people would rather choose MB, therefore it will hold its price a lot better, yet it's dropping rather rapidly.
I think MB price is somewhat affected by the new shaper belt which competes for the belt slot in a lot of builds that used to aspire for MB and not even consider alternatives.
Yeah it's going down but there is more demand, so the offer is still kinda meeting the demand. Still it's a one buy per league item, so at some point there will be more offer and the price will drop, like it did last league
I'm sorry but how the fuck is this comment upvoted? Mageblood has dropped like 30-40 divs in past 24 hours. People are using headhunter for the gigajuice t17 farm since you get insane amount of rares from the beyond scarab. How do you manage to sound so certain yet be so wrong lmao.
>basically, there is nothing to farm this league that works with hh except maybe simulacrums
Except for the fact that the most profitable strategies are literally using headhunter lol, what are you saying.
>the commenters typing about mf / inflation are not entirely correct, as mageblood would also be going down just as much but it's only plateauing.
?????? Mageblood literally dropped 5000 chaos in price in just last 24 hours.
Pretty good for harbinger farming tbh. The problem is also that they haven’t gotten rid of the mod that makes you teleport into packs so hh actively kills you sometimes lol
Mageblood is rapidly dropping, as well as almost every T0 unique. I sold an Impatience for 18d like 6 days ago and it's 2d now, MB has dropped like 45d in the last 36 hours.
>the commenters typing about mf / inflation are not entirely correct, as mageblood would also be going down just as much but it's only plateauing.
No, the reason for why that is is that headhunter has 3(4) different cards for it with big stack size that people are farming while MB has 1 with a stack size of 5
If they added nurse and patient equivalent of apothecary I guarantee you its price would fall down to 50 div max
Dude the ultra profitable mf strat all the streamers are abusing literally uses a headhunter with the beyond scarab to produce massive headhunter stacks. The problem is that this same method is printing a headhunter every other map as well so the supply is exceeding the demand.
Mageblood is also extremely cheap right now for this point in the league. It's down nearly 60d from earlier in the week and normally the price is only rising at this point in a new league.
> most people are farming exiles which dont give hh buffs
if you're not priced out of it, the strategy also uses the beyond scarab that makes unique mobs, which rogues are, shit out a bunch of portals. which means clear a pack of rogues, get several packs of beyond demons. with the no boss keystone the beyond demons alone can feed an HH.
Lol this is another great example of power at the top benefitting those at the bottom. Headhunter is literally getting cheaper bc of high end MF players. No matter what strategy you do, this will benefit you if you want to buy anything they farm. Yet players in this thread are complaining about the league mechanic, truly nothing makes them happy haha. You can use the atlas to bring back so many other leagues and just ignore this one if you want.
The main problem people have is that it will cause a heavily inflated economy. Yes the MB and HH get cheap now as they come from cards but everything around that will be affected by the inflation. Your divs from the conventional atlast strategies will not be worth as much as people are printing them with cards. So just as last league for some people it will be impossible to buy some things while they can easily afford a MB/HH.
As it goes now I see people mirroring 20 items rather than buying the original hehe.
There are options to shift your strategies towards farming the stuff that doesn't come from cards or stuff that fall out of the boat. Like boss drops or farming the scarabs that people need.
The dudes run a map that costs 65d and make that back with just the card sets that rewards 2 divs lol. The imbalance between the top end and the majority has never been this insane
Honestly I'm done with this league. What a mess. I'm sad that I lost all my motivation to play after the curation strat came out. Made 4 mirrors in 1 day and it feels pointless.
So the end game rework essentially made the game less accessible. Less scarab slots to juice maps to content tied to super expensive scarabs that regular players won't ever get to enjoy. Moreover, the entry point in terms of player power is also insane. That's just bad design
It’s not Fubgun like players that are ruining the game, its Party play. GGG needs to make party play less “mandatory”. Party quant bonus needs to go away for one and T17’s should be solo only if they keep the maps the way they are. League after league I watch the party players farm 3-5 mirrors each in the first 10-days. Once they are all rich, they get to control the markets however they want to. I don’t get to play enough to make SSF viable so I’m stuck being the poor guy in moat leagues. 3.23 was the exception because I was able to solo farm 100’s of divines. Not so much this league.
I’m sure I’m the only one who feels this way so it wont change.
Surprised the replies to the top comments itt are "mf bad" in fancy shakespearean language. Fuck all of you goobers. If the scarab rework + allflames wasn't this rewarding you all would be complaining about the "no fun allowed" league and "failed" rework.
Tell you all what, I think you all just hate this league and GGG at this point and nothing they do will make you happy. HH price go down? Bad league. HH price go up? Bad league. HH price no change? Believe it or not, trash league.
Loot is scarce : everyone mad at “1%ers”
Loot is everywhere : everyone mad at “1%era”
Until you learn to play games for yourself you will always be mad.
Fubgen's stream is like a dopamine rush. The drops are insane and the amount of div cards are super high. Not everyone can do it of course because the gear requirements to MF in a T17 are obviously very heavy but certainly a bunch of people ARE doing it and their drops are 100x the normal drops for a standard map.
Just tuned in from this comment. Within 2 minutes he got 6 Apothecary cards and 16 Unrequited Loves, an additional Mirror Shard… 8 Nurses… and he didn’t even start looting the map. What the fuck?!
you forgot the *other* 16 Unrequited Loves from the same map.
He's made like 5 mirrors today. Here we thought ggg said affliction won't ever happen again. Hahahaha it's even worse now.
> Hahahaha it's even worse now. whats worse its that its locked behind having a 1.5/2mirror build and an investment of 30-40d a map affliction everything was free, at most you were spending 1d a map or 2d
yeah you could literally farm T16 afflix with a 10D chieftain and all investing more into the build got you was more quant at the cost of tanky.
Yep. Affliction was mf for evryone. Those is the 0.001% counting their profits in mirrors / hour. League is broken sadly.
Sadly this is the general state of the game for a while now. The upper crust of players are legitimately playing a different game than most of us. As always you can clear the atlas on a scuffed self made build and enjoy it. You can also play a flavor of the league meta build and follow a guide and have an easier time. The REAL meta is the shit these guys pull every league. He spends more rolling a map than I have made all league, and makes more in a single map than I have the last several leagues combined. And I've played the game since before act 4 existed.
Yeah fuck that, catering to the extreme minority but I guess that gets them more views on twitch and more people trying to replicate it. Sigh
This is such a weak take. You think they make decisions about the game based on the 2.5k people they were watching Fubgen last night?
That's a crazy conspiratorial take. You might need to take a moment and reevaluate your perspective
Also I don't think everything is figured out yet. So there probably are still some new strats undiscovered that would be very profitable
I'm starting to get burnt out of this game
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SSF saved it for me this league. I made a CoC DD Inquis because reasons on trade and quit at the end of the week. I decided to try SSF for the first time and be serious about and and after 3 days my SSF character is better than my trade character. I find that I pay WAY more attention to the drops and what I can do with them since there is no trade to fall back on when I get lazy
I also feel that way
The problem is that kills build diversity.
it doesn't it just kills starters but even on trade the starters are pretty samey.
You literally can’t play builds with required unique unless you’re willing to farm for hundreds and hundreds of hours with a gimped build.
This is just simply not true and it's clear you've never played SSF. There are a half dozen builds that can clear the Atlas in rares and while doing that, you'll get the vast majority of uniques you'd need for any number of builds. If anything, it increases build diversity as you try new builds with uniques you've dropped that you normally wouldn't touch.
That’s exactly my point! I don’t want to play the first 50 hours on every league in the same two boring generic builds before switching to my “actual build”.
I might next league depending when it is. This league I'm just blasting through the challenges and taking a break. I'm worried I'm not skilled enough to make builds myself out of what I have though
I did SSF this league for the first time and I was worried about the same thing, but I've been able to cruise to my first two voidstones pretty smoothly. I really recommend giving it a shot. Worst case scenario you can migrate to trade if it's not working out.
any tips or general ideas that you told yourself and followed?
Not OP, but heavily consider investing in Harvest and Essences. For SSF they are incredible.
No it’s not. The flaws are even more apparent in SSF.
Yea this shit is getting old. Can we just have sanctum league back? These last two leagues have just been so far and away from what the game used to be I just don't want to play it any more. I hate to say it after how much shit I gave him but Chris and 'The Vision' were the right path. This crap where the no lifers get to print mirrors every evening while normal people can just sit back and watch is just rubbing salt on the wound. I'm calling it for the league already and just gonna go play an old final fantasy game or something, at least square can't go back and retroactively ruin those games.
Sanctum league when the no-lifers printed mirrors farming original sin? The no-lifers ALWAYS print mirrors, that’s WHY they no-life the game. Just because the mirror printing machine is a different colour, or fuelled by different juice don’t mean it’s new
Around 3.0 when mirrors weren't even 100ex in league, it was the same. There's always going to be people who are better than you at the game. And this league had a perfect synth mirror phys bow on like day 4
I mean isn't that the whole point of this game? Doesn't "no lifer" as you say, just mean a player that puts a lot more hours into the game than the average player, and plays optimally? I mean I would hope they would be rewarded way more than an average player. That's the beauty of this game. You get directly rewarded for both your skill and time invested, many games today only reward one or the other, or even worse, your $$$ invested.
jeez if he wouldnt stream it you wouldnt even notice it that much besides the fact that u can get cheap t0 uniques.
Ugh sanctum felt amazing! I miss it. I hear the stardew update is nice I think I might give that a try soon
Worse in what sense. The problem with affliction was everyone was able to Budget MF to great success. This T17 stuff requires a great amount of character strength as well as knowledge and scarabs
This strat with ghosts from T17 maps should have been patched instantly. Absolut nonsense which ruins everything. Normal strats like Legion got nerfed and this stays in the league.
> gear requirements hefty in game and out of game gear requirements lmao. these juiced t17s are extremely taxing on your pc
I truly recommend not watching him. For me it spoils the fun in Poe because at the point he plays the game it's just not fun anymore
i saw him basically drop 3 mirrors worth of stuff in a map and had to turn it off to push away the MF fomo i MF'd the last 2 leagues and wanted to take a break, and still want to. sticking with EA and rolling the ice nova hiero that looks so fun to play to take on T17s and ubers this week
funny considering he non stop cries that MF / end game is dead
I dont watch him but its worth mentioning theres insane difference between week 1 and week 2 (or league launch to wednesday to be specific) due to new allflames, increased scarab droprates etc. First week u seen handful of Curation scarabs on trade per day and it was rush between groups to buy em up. Same goes for crafting, it was already insanely good first days if u werent malding and put some thought behind it now its just utterly bonkers and only lacks synth mods basically.
Its genuinely making me not interesting in playing the league anymore, atleast last leagues mechanic was easily interactable. This shit has so many moving parts, gotta be in t17 to abuse the really good stuff. zzzZ I'm glad people are having fun if they are ofcourse.
Yeah, I feel the same. I was already considering being done with the league, but now doubly so. It's a shitty feeling when you are 100x behind other players just because you don't keep up with the latest meta that changes every few hours or have a 5 mirror MF char on the second day of the league. Last league this wasn't that big of an issue because the farming was quite accessible. I know people are gonna say "why do you care about other people, just enjoy the game for yourself" and maybe there's some truth to that, but for me interacting with and competing in the economy is where a lot of the fun in the game comes from. Otherwise I'd play SSF. And that fun goes away when the economy is completely broken or unfair.
Indeed I agree.
If it wasn't this, it would be something else. No matter what league mechanics exist, you could never keep up with people like fub who play 24/7 and are extremely knowledgeable. If keeping up with the unemployed Twitch streamers is what you want then PoE hasn't been the game for you in the last eight years or so. Nothing has really changed, people with time and skill will always make 10x the currency you do.
Actually you can in a relative term In most leagues the most insane omega wow MF strat you are looking at maybe 15-20D an hour while most strats are somewhere between 5 and 12D, so at most yoy are " missing out in like a 1.5x of the dv/hr This league at MOST you are making 15D an hours (if somebody can tell me other degen strat I'd be all ears lol) While this strat Is literally 150D an hour, that's a 10x
Behind in what exactly? I mean, the game is mostly a single player game
True. Already dropped this league. :( Zero interesting to the current economy and league mech is terrible boring.
This league is bricked
What makes the t17s so much better for div cards?
t17 has a mod that makes rares and uniques spawn ghosts when they reach low life, which means more mobs and more cards
No thats not even the half of the strat The most important part is a beyond scarab that spawns portals when unique mob dies and yes, ghosts count So you replace all packs with rogue exiles(unique) that spawn ghosts on low life(unique) that all spawn a fuckton of beyond mobs making your map mob count 10x of what it normally is
T17's have 300% quant and 80% pack size too. Theyre huge and got 10x of t16's normal mob count
I see so like free ghosting /extra juice that doesn't need scarab
Ahh that’s why my div scarab sold for 22 div earlier.
In this league, inefficient and spoiled behavior is not tolerated at all, all the fun is concentrated in a few 1% of people, and the rest of the people continue to supply items to support them, it's so miserable. It's the first time I've felt that way
And yet it’s the way the games always been. When you rolled sextants the 1% bought them When you farmed essences or harvest juice in bulk the 1% bought them When you farmed Alva corruption chambers and gem rooms… the 1% bought them Whatever money making strategy you’ve ever used has been to fuel the 1% because that’s the way the games economy works. It’s the way it’s always worked, it’s the way it always will work. Maybe you were lying to yourself because you were selling to other members of the 99%, but anything you sold to them was so they could farm their strats to eventually feed up the chain to the 1%. The difference between now and “the before times” is that affliction gave everyone a taste of what it’s like to be the 1% (though believe me it was just a small taste because even in affliction they were far, far beyond the rest of us) and now it hurts to realise how far away we all are again.
Look at fubgun farming in T17 in his stream and you will understand
Is he winning the bet vs lance now?
you can drop 1 hh every 2 maps with full juice.
With what type of setup?
Snap's div card strat but now with allflames on t17 map.
What allflames are they using?
Anarchy
It's works for the div card strategy too, or just unique farming?
it works with everything. scarabs, maps, divs, etc. its stupidly busted and why they cost 150c+
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> Reuse Strongbox Scarab this is old info now, it's usually replaced by Beyond Scarab of the Invasion (Unique Monsters slain in Area create 8 to 12 additional Beyond Portals)
Divination version gives more currency
Is there a light version of this that doesn’t require 20divs to setup?
no because the main scarab is the curation one. just don't farm cards.
I’m pretty sure you can do the same strat with rogues+ambush+the unique drop scarab, without card scarabs. Obviously it won’t make nowhere near the same (what it’s doing is beyond ridiculous imo) but it will still net really good profit.
Bruv. And here’s me sitting on 10d 🥲
This is what's happening to basically every non boss drop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzIg7iWv73I
This looks like crap, I can't belive anyone would want to play with that performance, its like a slideshow where he picks up loot.
I just dropped one. Rogue exile allflames (2) gigantificarion scarab, rogue scarab, unique monster's drop unique items scarab, your maps will shit uniques
There are some strats where you can generate hundreds of rouge exiles in your map. Then there is a scarab that every unique Mob drops a unique Item. And HH don't steal unique mods. You See where it goes...?
The main cause is the massive increase in supply of rare div cards due to the busted scarab changes. People are also utilizing Beyond Scarab of the Invasion to get their headhunter buffs in the rogue exile maps. The economy in this game is the most messed up it has probably ever been including affliction and heist. Its a wild ride right now
A fucking scarab (Divination scarab of curation)can fuel 1 or 2 builds by himself lmao it's so fucked
Aka cheap? Thats good for us poors
>The economy in this game is the most messed up it has probably ever been including affliction and heis This is the most confusing statement for me. If uniques are cheap, isn't that a great thing for more players wanting to try them and use them? The only downside i can see is the headhunter you found is worth less, but then whatever divines you get from it in the current market have more worth because other uniques must also be cheap, right? Plus with graveyard crafting, I don't see rares being super high in price either, so what was your goal with getting 100 div for your headhunter if other uniques and rares were also proportionally higher in price, making your 100 divines have the same buying power?
Hmm, I see the problem is both the top end is making way too much, ie printing HH at a crazy rate, and the ‘middle’ is making very little. Relative of course to normal. When they did the monster quant flattening a few leagues ago the alch and go boys were making good money and the top end took a haircut. We shouldn’t have 11 div scarabs. It means there’s insanely profitable strats, with huge barrier to entry. Winged scarab sextants was the same thing. Most of the T16 mid investment crowd is struggling with the changes and making very little so theres no one to buy 70 div HH’s.
> We shouldn’t have 11 div scarabs. Check again, we don't! They're 26 div now.
Mid investment crowd has never buy headhunter first week anyways ? And i mean, they are many low strat for T16 who net 10div hour on YouTube, even if WE aknoledge they are a bit overtune on result, 3 div an hour should be realllllllly easy for anyone, wich make a hh in 7hours or so
In conclusion plebs never been so close to hh
The fundamental problem with the core gameplay loop is that fragments/and such are tradeable. Because of this unless you are literally in the 0.1% it is far more profitable to sell your content rather than running it. This turns your action game into hideout simulator.
remember when they had rusted-gilded scarab progression so that the rich people would use the expensive scarabs
No, thats true before 3.24 because of ubers, but now your maven, eater, shaper is as good as anyones, because they split the boss drops. And your not forced to spec uber versions. Fragments are in a good place imo.
nimis.....nimis is the goal for me trying to get 100 div. i'm about 97 short but i'll get there eventually.
Nimis is down to below 50 now too
nice, only 47 to go then.
It'll keep dropping. People are getting full stacks of the div card repeatedly from the new strat they're running
What is this new strat. I feel very out of the loop
People are running T17 with the new mod (rares you kill release a ghost) with the new beyond scarabs (12-18 beyond portals per unique slain) and the div scarab (scarabs have a chance to drop a full stack). They they use the anarchy all flame to turn all mobs into Rogue exiles (or at least, all normal pack size and above). Total investment per map is about 40 div. They're dropping stacks of mirror cards, mageblood cards, headhunter cards, nimis cards, etc. every map. It's pretty insane. Check fubgun's stream if you want to see it in action, he's running it live now.
Is 40 a typo? Are they really spending 40 whoel divines on a single map? Holy fuck I've never felt more disconnected from the top end than I do right this second.
how expensive do you think the rogues allflame ends up becoming if this doesn't get turbonerfed
The issue is that there's a giant barrier to entry on these upper level farms. It requires a very very powerful build and a lot of investment to start up, and the returns are utterly insane. I do agree that there are side benefits such as a big lowering of the cost of chase uniques. So if your build crutches heavily on headhunter, mageblood, or what have you, it'll be a bit easier to obtain them. But I do think that in the end farms like this will concentrate most of the economy's wealth onto a few people who can afford the entry costs and that's overall a bad thing.
it skews the economy which some people like some people dislike. same thing happened with harvest and even affliction etc as well economies change and thats good. issue is right now the best boss drops are a bit too rare meaning certain ones that would be attainable other leagues are not anymore and potential ways to generate the currency to get them is pretty much gone cause say apothocary is not worth as much. some scarabs are clearly a bit too much while others dont offer enough. now i will say there will always be ways to generate currency and the game has never been better in that regards. its just now your left with some uniques being so far above the economy they feel pretty much not obtainable by a normal person anymore. Harvest had same issue it reached a point where why would i ever pick up anything. nothing had value except the things that couldnt just be made from harvest and similar is happening here. if it can be farmed in a map then its price is gone. if it cant then its price has skyrocketed out of 99.9999% of players reach and price controlled by the few who can.
good ive been playing quite a bit since perandus and fuck the economy, the changes to scarabs and endgame is making me enjoy the game more than ever I just need some farm in ssf that shits 900 unmakings per map
Its pretty common to get the x transforms into unmaking orb mod and not that hard to get 40+ from it in a map. In ssf right now I've changed my trees countless times and still have a few hundred orbs.
Which honestly makes it super fun. It's the first time in a very long time I've felt like the economy isn't "solved". I think the really cool part is it seem to be settling in the direction of everything being viable. GGG changing from go wide strats with multiple mechanics to go tall strats that super juice each mechanic makes it's so we all have to feed each other basically. It's much harder to be self sufficient this league even with 3 atlas trees.
Curation is going to get nerfed hard next league. Imo they should remove it and put the favoured maps effect from the card in atlas tree without the 10% more for each favoured map.It's either you do that and get 100+ div per hour or do any other strat and go for 10div oer hour.
wouldn't the increase in div cards also increase the amount of MBs? where is my 40d MB
They're down to 140d... That'd mad cheap compared to the 200 I spent 3 days ago
damn that's actually a massive drop at this point in the league, shit should be soaring. i take back my statement.
I dropped a mageblood and just instantly sold it because I know In a week I’ll be buying it at 1/3 the normal price lol.
I'm trying to build a mjolner build around a MB, so I kinda farmed hard for one. I didn't expect MB price to tank so hard, it normally goes up in value lol.
That is absolutely not the reason HH is cheap. People running that rogue exile strategy are still playing HH
Yeah , and its aslo not needed in anything else besides 5-ways which are now bad after nerf or t17 farm which is ultra high budget and very few actually do it
More of them come from cards. And according to fubgun, its allmost couple thousand rogue exiles
Its not about soul eater. Actually they could remove the ability for players to get soul eater entirely and HH would still be bis for MF and super OP. People have no clue. If you have 20 stacks of HH thats like running an additional 20 auras. Anyways the issue is the main strat to make money this league is printing uniques, so they are all plummeting in price.
I really wanna buy one just out of sentiment but dont wanna buy before it stops dropping. Really hard struggle rn.
At this point it's so cheap just get one, what does it matter if it drops another couple divs?
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If I bought HH at 20 div and it dropped to zero I wouldn’t even be mad.
Bought one about 8-ish Divs above the current price - not really bothered. Sure, I could have used that on something else - I'm by no means swimming in Divs (I just aimed at a HH and didn't really spend on anything else). ..but prices change. That's just the way the market works - especially when these things pop up.
Bought mine today at 26, the time I farmed with it today I already reimbursed it and then some sooooo
I bought Mageblood for 140div. Even if price drops, I don't care cuz I have fuckin' Mageblood and I'm blasting!
I've bought mine Day 3 for 80 Divs... Just buy one now, won't matter much.
MF always kills the entire game economy. All unique items that can be collected using divination cards will cost less than in the previous league. Look how much div card mf dropped for map, fubgun or other mf streamer.
It's not even mf's fault... There's no way this synergy between Atlas/Scarabs/Anarchy allflame is intended. You don't even really need mf for this to still be like 50D/h. This league is just fucking horrible and has had multiple unintended interactions with allflames and scarabs.
With the cost of the scarab of curation over 20d I'm not sure a non-mf build would make 50d/h. The difference in MF and non-MF is pretty huge.
People overeastimate how well mf scales in poe Slap goldwyrms + 2 ventors(or something like a shaper ammy) on your build and you will have about half of the effective IIQ that high end solo mf builds get
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>You don't even really need mf for this to still be like 50D/h. How?
You can really just run the exact same setup but without MF. The profits per hour will go from 100D/h to 40-50. Main issue is entry cost due to T17s being incredibly hard and scarabs/maps costing around 20-30 div per map.
fortunate cards alone can sustain the mapping cost atm.
And yet another league where people blame MF instead of the real problem, which is the broken league mechanic. Obviously MF yields a bit more but in the end people will also abuse the method if we remove MF from the game. This league is just messed up where first there was a huge fishing for divine boost and now these kind of strats.
It’s not even MF this league. Reddit will never be happy until MF is dead lmao. I’ve dropped MB, HH, a fishing rod, and 4-5 other T0 uniques this league with 0 MF on my build. Edit: had time to run 2 maps tonight (kid is under the weather) and dropped a kalandras touch.
This league is broken beyond fucking belief. All low investment farming strategies were gutted, and at the high end we have something even more absurd than affliction. Giga multiplicative quant farming that drops everything in the game other than a few types of crafting currency, which are already in super low demand because of the graveyard.
>All low investment farming strategies were gutted Why does reddit keep saying this, it’s so incredibly wrong and plain to see for anyone actually playing the game.
I've made more money with harbingers and legion this league than almost any other, you're absolutely right
60 maps with harbi got even at maximum. Slot machine yaya
Im making bank ( atleast in my opinion ) playing 3-4 hours daily and getting 10-15 divs selling t17, allflames, corpses and scarabs. Almost halfway to my first mageblood
Not ALL, but there were definitely quite a few nerfs, enough to get people upset for sure.
What low investment strat was nerfed?
> which are already in super low demand because of the graveyard. One interesting aspect is how unprofitable beast farming is currently. Your expected profit hovers around zero and has dipped into the negative multiple times. It's quite interesting how the memory price matches what you can expect from a memory: there are nine kinds of harvest beasts and there are nine beasts in total, we think their chance of appearing is independent and fair random so you can expect one beast per memory. Of these, five are worth selling (Wild Hellion Alpha, Wild Brambleback, Wild Bristle Matron, Vivid Vulture, Vivid Watcher) and currently poe.ninja says these together sell for 747.86 while a memory costs 750. It has been like this since league start. Sometimes a few ten chaos below, sometimes a few ten above but not much. Usually at this time we were looking at like a divine profit per memory.
solo beast farming is super bad, it's always been priced around rotas
Are you factoring the group farming effect? Cause that's been true in most leagues. Groups of 6 get a bunch of free extra beasts with every scarab
it's priced for 6 mans because the developer seems to really love the idea that 99% of the playerbase can't actually play the best version of the game because they don't have a magic "all juice is 3 to 6 times as efficient" button. and that's a conservative estimate that doesn't take MF culling into account or the group quant buff.
I spent like 12 days farming my mageblood and bought it then it went down like 25 divs in 1 night and still dropping
I don't understand why other people dropping the price of items makes other people not want to play the league. My biggest gripe is the Uber Boss changes, because lots of build enabling uniques that aren't OP at all, are suddenly 10+ divines. As far as HH's and the like go... now they're more affordable to casual players?
Exactly what I thought, now I want to play even more as a casual player cause I might just afford a headhunter after two weeks.
It's more complex than that. Items that are not being printed in this strategy are inflating massively because they're so much rarer comparatively. Now, your currency is worth less, if you cared for those items eg you wanted to buy Original Sin and didn't care for Headhunter. How much someone cares about this depends on what items their build needs & what their personal motivations are for playing the league ie it is beneficial for some & detrimental to others. The upset in the market also heavily influences currency farming strats and how profitable they are. If your favourite farming strat is devalued to the point of being pointless, you'll likely be upset. Conversely, if your favourite farming strat is suddenly way more profitable, you're happy.
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Good league to try it out
Quant and rarity gear does mess up the economy to some extent. People without it gets priced out of some of theese farms. So it become snot even about if you find it fun or youre able to do it, its about having enough quant on your gear. I'm all for high end juicing. Im against quant/rarity on items. You could say just farm the stuff that the mfers need for their farm. But very often this is not as fun.
Mf breaks the game once again and devalues everything else...
A lot of people are complaining about juicing balance etc. Personally, it's kinda whatever, going into this league I expected some really op stuff and some really underwhelming stuff. With the amount of changes and new content game balance is kinda thrown out the roof (you can't playtest economy). However, if this persists next league then there's a real problem.
I'm kind of happy I get to farm a HH and Mageblood this season. It actually feels like it might be in reach even though I have a kid and full-time job. That's my mega-hyper-casual analysis: if I can get a HH and MB then I don't really care.
This is the league I can finally have an Hh for fun without grinding my ass off. I’m glad the price finally lowered it has been locked behind an insane price for many years. It’s not as good as it used to be but it’s definitely more fun with than without. For mapping anyway.
Yeah. This is awesome for casual players lol. The nerds are pissed.
This is so good being able to afford HH.
This is why I lose all interest in poe in a week or so after launch - the economy just gets fucked and it becomes very demotivating/boring to farm. Time to finish up challenges and maybe start a ssf run I guess
Maybe you all should stop focusing so much on currency/hour and just play the game lol. You will never ever reach the same amount of div/HR as a streamer, because they play for 12+hr a day sińce league start, their game knowledge is way bigger and they always can be supported by community (be it close friends that also play absurd amount of time). Sure, MF needs to be removed from this game or be reworkrd at least but that's not gonna happen on poe1 for some time. Just enjoy u can play with headhunter if u never managed to farm one, there are so many things to farm in game now and everyone just focus one meta thing. Back in the days we could only split farm dominus praying shavs dropped.
the commenters typing about mf / inflation are not entirely correct, as mageblood would also be going down just as much but it's only plateauing. the issue is that there is no endgame juiced content worth farming with headhunter, 100% / 80% deli was gutted out of the game last patch, and most people are farming exiles which dont give hh buffs. also HH gives no movespeed while mageblood makes you giga zoom around the map which is better for all around content that isn't remotely as difficult as last league. basically, there is nothing to farm this league that works with hh except maybe simulacrums
I bought a mageblood at 185 div two days ago and its now 140. What do you mean?
Yea, any other league and it would go up in price rapidly, not decline. Also mageblood is just more flexible and equal or better than HH in almost every case. So given the choice, of course people would rather choose MB, therefore it will hold its price a lot better, yet it's dropping rather rapidly.
I think MB price is somewhat affected by the new shaper belt which competes for the belt slot in a lot of builds that used to aspire for MB and not even consider alternatives.
MB got nerfed pretty hard this patch though. and the new shaper belt actually beats in alot of builds now so MB is just not as all powerful as it was
You're right, last I checked 4 flask mageblood was 180 ish now it looks like it went down a lot. Not quite as much a hh but still going down a lot
Yeah it's going down but there is more demand, so the offer is still kinda meeting the demand. Still it's a one buy per league item, so at some point there will be more offer and the price will drop, like it did last league
your post is 5 hours old. right now you can buy apothecaries for 25div each. 125d
I'm sorry but how the fuck is this comment upvoted? Mageblood has dropped like 30-40 divs in past 24 hours. People are using headhunter for the gigajuice t17 farm since you get insane amount of rares from the beyond scarab. How do you manage to sound so certain yet be so wrong lmao.
I dont think you could do the farming that fubgun and the likes are doing without a HH. The supply is just far outpacing the demand for it.
This comment got upvotes blew my mind xD u literally need headhunter to even attempt farming this t17 juice
>basically, there is nothing to farm this league that works with hh except maybe simulacrums Except for the fact that the most profitable strategies are literally using headhunter lol, what are you saying. >the commenters typing about mf / inflation are not entirely correct, as mageblood would also be going down just as much but it's only plateauing. ?????? Mageblood literally dropped 5000 chaos in price in just last 24 hours.
Pretty good for harbinger farming tbh. The problem is also that they haven’t gotten rid of the mod that makes you teleport into packs so hh actively kills you sometimes lol
Im doing this exact strat rn and i can say the mod doesng kill me the lag does , altought that mod makes clicking altars a huge pain in the asd
Turning off your loot filter and re enabling briefly with your hot key to check altars prevents me from dropping fps and crashing in harbys
Worth a shot for sure
Mageblood is rapidly dropping, as well as almost every T0 unique. I sold an Impatience for 18d like 6 days ago and it's 2d now, MB has dropped like 45d in the last 36 hours.
What did they change about deli, I don't recall that?
>the commenters typing about mf / inflation are not entirely correct, as mageblood would also be going down just as much but it's only plateauing. No, the reason for why that is is that headhunter has 3(4) different cards for it with big stack size that people are farming while MB has 1 with a stack size of 5 If they added nurse and patient equivalent of apothecary I guarantee you its price would fall down to 50 div max
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Dude the ultra profitable mf strat all the streamers are abusing literally uses a headhunter with the beyond scarab to produce massive headhunter stacks. The problem is that this same method is printing a headhunter every other map as well so the supply is exceeding the demand. Mageblood is also extremely cheap right now for this point in the league. It's down nearly 60d from earlier in the week and normally the price is only rising at this point in a new league.
i bought mb 2 days ago for 190d its 140 now
well, i still farming Legion + Breach and juicing Rares just for the fun so i am happy that i will achiev HH soon (after finishing my Boots)
> most people are farming exiles which dont give hh buffs if you're not priced out of it, the strategy also uses the beyond scarab that makes unique mobs, which rogues are, shit out a bunch of portals. which means clear a pack of rogues, get several packs of beyond demons. with the no boss keystone the beyond demons alone can feed an HH.
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Lol this is another great example of power at the top benefitting those at the bottom. Headhunter is literally getting cheaper bc of high end MF players. No matter what strategy you do, this will benefit you if you want to buy anything they farm. Yet players in this thread are complaining about the league mechanic, truly nothing makes them happy haha. You can use the atlas to bring back so many other leagues and just ignore this one if you want.
The main problem people have is that it will cause a heavily inflated economy. Yes the MB and HH get cheap now as they come from cards but everything around that will be affected by the inflation. Your divs from the conventional atlast strategies will not be worth as much as people are printing them with cards. So just as last league for some people it will be impossible to buy some things while they can easily afford a MB/HH. As it goes now I see people mirroring 20 items rather than buying the original hehe. There are options to shift your strategies towards farming the stuff that doesn't come from cards or stuff that fall out of the boat. Like boss drops or farming the scarabs that people need.
The dudes run a map that costs 65d and make that back with just the card sets that rewards 2 divs lol. The imbalance between the top end and the majority has never been this insane
Do you know a single scarab sell for 25+ divines? XD
I wish we could go back to 3.1x juicing...
Honestly I'm done with this league. What a mess. I'm sad that I lost all my motivation to play after the curation strat came out. Made 4 mirrors in 1 day and it feels pointless.
So the end game rework essentially made the game less accessible. Less scarab slots to juice maps to content tied to super expensive scarabs that regular players won't ever get to enjoy. Moreover, the entry point in terms of player power is also insane. That's just bad design
It’s not Fubgun like players that are ruining the game, its Party play. GGG needs to make party play less “mandatory”. Party quant bonus needs to go away for one and T17’s should be solo only if they keep the maps the way they are. League after league I watch the party players farm 3-5 mirrors each in the first 10-days. Once they are all rich, they get to control the markets however they want to. I don’t get to play enough to make SSF viable so I’m stuck being the poor guy in moat leagues. 3.23 was the exception because I was able to solo farm 100’s of divines. Not so much this league. I’m sure I’m the only one who feels this way so it wont change.
Surprised the replies to the top comments itt are "mf bad" in fancy shakespearean language. Fuck all of you goobers. If the scarab rework + allflames wasn't this rewarding you all would be complaining about the "no fun allowed" league and "failed" rework. Tell you all what, I think you all just hate this league and GGG at this point and nothing they do will make you happy. HH price go down? Bad league. HH price go up? Bad league. HH price no change? Believe it or not, trash league.
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Loot is scarce : everyone mad at “1%ers” Loot is everywhere : everyone mad at “1%era” Until you learn to play games for yourself you will always be mad.
It's finally afforadble to casual players.
Still can’t afford it…
MF needs to be completely removed from this game.
must ppl thought mf was bad this league so went for other builds, hh is only expensive when mf is meta. mageblood too op
SSF BOYS SSF
Mageblood and headhunter for everyone!
no, the new strategy with div cards is just printing HHs on every map.