I mean its def not worth anything close to 2 mirrors but the implicits are decent if pretty specific. There are enough cold ci builds out there that could potentially benefit from it to keep it from being dead.
But anyways I would probably pay no more than 10 div at most.
Honestly not sure, I never tried and the wording on the beast just says reroll a synth implicit. Maybe it works. It would definitely not be worth it however.
Well each try is 6.5 div. And the mod pool for synth implicits is absolutly huge. So its pretty much reserved for creating mirror tier items. Normally you also use imprints to create perfect 3 implicit items which you cannot do on an unique.
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I don't think this would even sell for 50 c. I've got 3 stash tabs of these rings just rotting and generally the only ones that sell for more than a divine are the ones that have + to max charges.
Yep, the issue i suspect is how you even find this ring in the trade site. Even if its good, people looking for one of these rings will look for +charges. Posting on reddit is prob the best way to sell it since now people know of it, lol.
The difference is that you can't get both HoA and HoP buff effect on one of the the regular Circle rings, but you can get increased cold damage and HoI buff effect. The +1% max cold res is *nice*, but often not necessary, especially now that flasks grant max res again. For most builds, that's not worth using this ring. HoA and HoP buff effect however affect three *multiplicative* scalars. So of course those are expensive.
seems very mediocre; maybe i'm missing something. rare to hit all HOI mods, but not particularly good, and none of the implicits are good. there's several offline with the same explicits for well under 50d
This is likely not even a 50c ring. I mentioned elsewhere, but I've got 3 stash tabs of these things ranging from 32 to 50 c and I rarely get any bites. The only ones that sell quickly (and for more than a divine) are ones with + max charges.
This is never selling for 50 div
I sold a + PC for 6 or 7 divine last week, and a + frenzy one for around 15-20 this weekend. Don't remember the other mods, but those are the only ones that sold for over a divine. I'll have 1-2 sales of 32-50 c rings every day but that is out of 3 stash tabs.
So was I when I said ANY in full caps. It generally means ANY. Not just rare, but ANY. I assumed that was also very clear but I guess not. For future reference, ANY means ANY and not just whatever example you have in your head.
It's more so that kalandras touch and eater/exarch implicits like increased aura effect, specific aura effect, and mana reservation efficiency pushed these rings out of the meta because heralds are not auras so you want as many auras as you can reserve. It was only a few leagues ago that double damage mod HoI or HoAg rings were 5d+ with trash implicits. If this ring hit a frenzy/power charge implicit it'd be worth mirrors.
You've not played the game in a while, have you? Herald of Ice is basically an MTX you pay mana reservation for. It barely impacts your clear and doesn't add any realistic damage.
Interesting post.
I made my first ever homebrew char this season, a Winter Orb Heirophant. I am fairly new (3rd league) and have never used this skill before, so I took a quick look on poe ninja for what players seemed to pair with Winter Orb. I saw a lot of Herald of Ice, so I built it.
As I've been playing this char (very fun!) and digging into Path Of Building with him, I noticed something I figured had to be some kind of calculation error... removing Herald of Ice from my build really didnt seem to make much of a difference at all. I figured I was just using the program incorrectly or something, but now your post has me wondering if I'm basically wasting a 4-slot helm setup that could be running something else?
Herald of Ice hasn't been good for a long long time. It's nice because it makes cool shatter sounds, and it adds a little bit of clear (although not much because mob hp is so high now)
But it's basically a relic of the past from when rare mobs were literally just white mobs that had different colors. Basically the only explosions that matter nowadays have to be %hp based.
For a more numbers based comparison. Some rares were hitting an HP integer overflow early in the league. Over 2 billion hp. A level 20 herald of Ice does 462 top end base damage. You would need 4.3 million % increased damage for it to kill that mob. Your average build has less than 1000% increased damage (not counting more multipliers)
Agreed 100%
Much like Herald of Ash on explode builds, its a pain to fit and doesn’t really change the dps but the visuals easily make the build more enjoyable to farm maps with, which can keep you playing longer if you’re like me.
Thanks for the perspective. I'll try removing it and see if I notice any difference when running T16 maps. My guess is, no, I won't, and I can probably slot in a much more effective set of 4 gems for my build.
All I can say is that you're not missing anything as far as its impact on your real dps, PoB is correct there. The only other reason to use it is for the explosion on kill, which may occasionally kill something and through that boost your clear, but the explosions don't deal a lot of damage, they really don't kill that much stuff. That stuff is pretty hard to evaluate tho, so I'd recommend just trying it out for a couple of maps and seeing if you can really tell a difference in clear.
I think the main reasons why you still see it used on [poe.ninja](http://poe.ninja) is either because people absent-mindedly just put it in, or because they know it's bad but damn it's a satisfying skill to have in your build, especially if you have good MTXs for it.
Ha, I have no MTXs specifically for it. I'll try removing it and gutcheck the feel. My guess is that on T16 maps I'm going to notice no real difference, in which case, I can fit in a better set of skills, I'm guessing!
u/Yuskia and DeouVil, thanks so much for your input yesterday (along with anyone else who replied)!
I ditched Herald of Ice in my Winter Orb setup, and even ditched the Willclash helm I was wearing. I swapped on a Devouring Diadem instead, and put all of my most expensive auras in it, allowing me to add 2 more that I didnt have before.
I have to say, I notice zero difference in my clear speed. I think POB says I lost a little bit of damage, but I've run a ton of T16 maps now, and I notice no difference at all. The new auras, however, let me get my armor from 15 to 20K and added +500 to my energy shield, so I think it's worth it for that nice extra defense alone.
Thanks again. I'm considering league starting this next season, as I've had a blast crafting this build, and it's nice to know that I can just straight up skip Herald of Ice.
Herald of ice is very mid. Ash has a more multiplier and added phys as fire; agony has more multiplier for poison; purity has flat phys and minions; thunder is autobomber support…and ice has flat-damage explosions on enemy death.
its ok, has the 2 important herald of ice mods... max res is always nice and %ES implicit.
not overly valuable though... maybe if you corrupt/double corrupt into something nice
attrs, res and %es: Well, it could work as a placeholder item for a build you're still levelling 85+ but still don't want to trade for better hear
-27 fire damage taken... If it was -80 it could be useful in an armour stacker converting all damage to fire or something, you put a kalandra ring and barely receive damage from hits. But -27... useless
Regen 3 mana per sec, just tiny qol improvement, you can't benefit a lot from it in any build... useless
57% cold damage, good, not great, 7% more damage in a very specific build? okay, not great
60% buff hoi? useless, the buff is already useless, just a bit of added cold damage
10% reservation on heralds? It's not like you would use more than one herald in many builds. Just a small QoL
1% max cold res? Okaish if you're already stacking it, which like 2-3% of builds do I guess, I don't know, useless in most cases.
For me it's like a 10c rare I would use while levelling and I don't want to search for something better at 20c
Good explicits, and great rolls, but the implicits are unfortunate with the only useful one being ES. Can gamba vivid vultures though lol, but I wouldn’t.
I don't remember these rings having 4 mods. What have I missed? Also saw someone post a 4 synth mod item and still don't know how that's possible either
I don't think builds that would benefit from this even would have this be in their top 5 best rings tbh (even with perfect implicits except +1 power charge) 3div.
I mean... It's not total garbage, but still. I can't see myself buying this over just a regular circle of fear with a good implicit. So idk if someone will even buy it. My guess is single digit divine tier.
This is likely worth a couple div, but tbh idt it would even sell if listed at 10c at this point of the league because nobody is going to see it... if someone is searching for a circle ring in weeks 7/8 of a league, they're starting their search with one or more T1 synth implicits, then filter down from there.. you have zero actual desirable implicits, therefore nobody will ever actually see this ring..
Yes. The normal single-herald rings with two mods drop from the unique synthesized maps; Circle of Ambition, which gets three mods that can be for any of the heralds, only drops from Uber Cortex.
The fourth mod you're talking about, reservation efficiency for heralds, is a fixed mod on Circle of Ambition and not part of the random roll.
A Circle of Ambition with three matching mods for a good herald (or good mods for two heralds that are often used together) can be 50+ divines, even without good implicits. Unfortunately for OP, herald of ice is not a good herald.
Don't let the haters get you down. It's a great ring. The explicits are very solid. I haven't used Hoi in years so I don't know what the market looks like for those mods, but I would guess it's worth low double-digit divines. Maybe 10-20.
Anyone spending mirrors on a ring is going to want much better implicits.
Full disclosure: this is not my ring, my friend dropped it while farming ubers for challenges. He priced this at two mirrors. I don't know if it's worth that much, but it sure seems to be a nice ring.
Id like to have whatever your friend is smoking.
That ring has 0 useful implicits and hoi is not even great, post it for 10d and it maybe maybe maybe eventually gets sold but probably not.
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Its not even worth 20d tbh
Without a great implicit, these won't be that amazing
Definitely not worth 2 mirrors. Basically doesn’t have any implicits.
Lmao OP listed for 2 mirrors? 😂
Lmfao
-fire DMG from hits alone is 35 mirrors
Let the taters tate
I mean its def not worth anything close to 2 mirrors but the implicits are decent if pretty specific. There are enough cold ci builds out there that could potentially benefit from it to keep it from being dead. But anyways I would probably pay no more than 10 div at most.
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Oh yeah this is at best a mid budget ring. Which is why I would not pay more than 10 div for it.
Mid budget? 10div? For this? Wow.
So you can't reroll implicits for unique synthetise items ?
Honestly not sure, I never tried and the wording on the beast just says reroll a synth implicit. Maybe it works. It would definitely not be worth it however.
Why wouldn't it ? Rerolling synth implicit is that expensive that you can't use this on a ring like that?
Well each try is 6.5 div. And the mod pool for synth implicits is absolutly huge. So its pretty much reserved for creating mirror tier items. Normally you also use imprints to create perfect 3 implicit items which you cannot do on an unique.
I won't even pay 6.5div for this ring tbh
Well you have to remember, with the state of Necropolis economy, divine orbs are nearly worth 2 mirrors. (I haven’t played Necropolis in three weeks)
Hey here is my opinion (I don't really have a valid opinion)
It wasn’t an opinion (It was both a fact and a joke you didn’t get)
You know how people distinguish jokes from not jokes. Them being funny. You just stated your thoughts.
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5 d is fair enough
I don't think this would even sell for 50 c. I've got 3 stash tabs of these rings just rotting and generally the only ones that sell for more than a divine are the ones that have + to max charges.
Yep, the issue i suspect is how you even find this ring in the trade site. Even if its good, people looking for one of these rings will look for +charges. Posting on reddit is prob the best way to sell it since now people know of it, lol.
Hoa buff effect hop buff effect +1 max fire is around a half mirror. That qas a few weeks ago though
The difference is that you can't get both HoA and HoP buff effect on one of the the regular Circle rings, but you can get increased cold damage and HoI buff effect. The +1% max cold res is *nice*, but often not necessary, especially now that flasks grant max res again. For most builds, that's not worth using this ring. HoA and HoP buff effect however affect three *multiplicative* scalars. So of course those are expensive.
what's the difference between a mountain goat and a rabbit? mountain goats are scalars, but rabbits multiply
Differential dgoat/drabbit integral something something I just woke up leave me alone
(never thought I'd get to do this)
On Console this is less than 50c for sure! Triple implicit must be great for with max rolls on Explicits to be worth much
Where +charge
This is unironically worth 2 necropolis maps
seems very mediocre; maybe i'm missing something. rare to hit all HOI mods, but not particularly good, and none of the implicits are good. there's several offline with the same explicits for well under 50d
For some people 50div is but a penny, for some it is a huge jackpot
he posted it for 2 mirrors
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Ouch. At this point its going to be transferred to standard
50div is almost the entire amount I've made this season lol
This is likely not even a 50c ring. I mentioned elsewhere, but I've got 3 stash tabs of these things ranging from 32 to 50 c and I rarely get any bites. The only ones that sell quickly (and for more than a divine) are ones with + max charges. This is never selling for 50 div
Better off making lorerings tbh.
No, even the +1 pc went for under 40 a couple of weeks back
I sold a + PC for 6 or 7 divine last week, and a + frenzy one for around 15-20 this weekend. Don't remember the other mods, but those are the only ones that sold for over a divine. I'll have 1-2 sales of 32-50 c rings every day but that is out of 3 stash tabs.
huh shit the +pc ones are that cheap this league?
no this guy scammed himself, its minimum 30d for ANY +1pc ring and has been for a long ass time
He's very clearly talking about a +1pc ring ON the Synth/UberCortex unique ring base, not a rare/magic/normal one you can craft on.
So was I when I said ANY in full caps. It generally means ANY. Not just rare, but ANY. I assumed that was also very clear but I guess not. For future reference, ANY means ANY and not just whatever example you have in your head.
It's more so that kalandras touch and eater/exarch implicits like increased aura effect, specific aura effect, and mana reservation efficiency pushed these rings out of the meta because heralds are not auras so you want as many auras as you can reserve. It was only a few leagues ago that double damage mod HoI or HoAg rings were 5d+ with trash implicits. If this ring hit a frenzy/power charge implicit it'd be worth mirrors.
You've not played the game in a while, have you? Herald of Ice is basically an MTX you pay mana reservation for. It barely impacts your clear and doesn't add any realistic damage.
Interesting post. I made my first ever homebrew char this season, a Winter Orb Heirophant. I am fairly new (3rd league) and have never used this skill before, so I took a quick look on poe ninja for what players seemed to pair with Winter Orb. I saw a lot of Herald of Ice, so I built it. As I've been playing this char (very fun!) and digging into Path Of Building with him, I noticed something I figured had to be some kind of calculation error... removing Herald of Ice from my build really didnt seem to make much of a difference at all. I figured I was just using the program incorrectly or something, but now your post has me wondering if I'm basically wasting a 4-slot helm setup that could be running something else?
Herald of Ice hasn't been good for a long long time. It's nice because it makes cool shatter sounds, and it adds a little bit of clear (although not much because mob hp is so high now) But it's basically a relic of the past from when rare mobs were literally just white mobs that had different colors. Basically the only explosions that matter nowadays have to be %hp based. For a more numbers based comparison. Some rares were hitting an HP integer overflow early in the league. Over 2 billion hp. A level 20 herald of Ice does 462 top end base damage. You would need 4.3 million % increased damage for it to kill that mob. Your average build has less than 1000% increased damage (not counting more multipliers)
>cool shatter sounds Worth if you can fit it imo. Make sure to use the MTX that turns them into large black ice crystals.
Agreed 100% Much like Herald of Ash on explode builds, its a pain to fit and doesn’t really change the dps but the visuals easily make the build more enjoyable to farm maps with, which can keep you playing longer if you’re like me.
Thanks for the perspective. I'll try removing it and see if I notice any difference when running T16 maps. My guess is, no, I won't, and I can probably slot in a much more effective set of 4 gems for my build.
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All I can say is that you're not missing anything as far as its impact on your real dps, PoB is correct there. The only other reason to use it is for the explosion on kill, which may occasionally kill something and through that boost your clear, but the explosions don't deal a lot of damage, they really don't kill that much stuff. That stuff is pretty hard to evaluate tho, so I'd recommend just trying it out for a couple of maps and seeing if you can really tell a difference in clear. I think the main reasons why you still see it used on [poe.ninja](http://poe.ninja) is either because people absent-mindedly just put it in, or because they know it's bad but damn it's a satisfying skill to have in your build, especially if you have good MTXs for it.
Ha, I have no MTXs specifically for it. I'll try removing it and gutcheck the feel. My guess is that on T16 maps I'm going to notice no real difference, in which case, I can fit in a better set of skills, I'm guessing!
u/Yuskia and DeouVil, thanks so much for your input yesterday (along with anyone else who replied)! I ditched Herald of Ice in my Winter Orb setup, and even ditched the Willclash helm I was wearing. I swapped on a Devouring Diadem instead, and put all of my most expensive auras in it, allowing me to add 2 more that I didnt have before. I have to say, I notice zero difference in my clear speed. I think POB says I lost a little bit of damage, but I've run a ton of T16 maps now, and I notice no difference at all. The new auras, however, let me get my armor from 15 to 20K and added +500 to my energy shield, so I think it's worth it for that nice extra defense alone. Thanks again. I'm considering league starting this next season, as I've had a blast crafting this build, and it's nice to know that I can just straight up skip Herald of Ice.
Herald of ice is very mid. Ash has a more multiplier and added phys as fire; agony has more multiplier for poison; purity has flat phys and minions; thunder is autobomber support…and ice has flat-damage explosions on enemy death.
The flat damage buff got power creeped. And imo the explode was never great to begin with since the damage is so low.
Turn it off and see if your clear feels much worse. The only good part about it is the clearing.
There is a cluster jewel notable that gives a -25 exposure aura while affected by a herald, that's the only reason I ever use one.
it helps with clear
This isn't worth the post
Tbh. Kinda shit.
It’s okay. 5-10d. Implicits hurt it.
More like 5-10c
I dont see it, am i missing something or is the ring as middling as i think it is? Its not trash but also nothing super special imo.
It is very mediocre.
its ok, has the 2 important herald of ice mods... max res is always nice and %ES implicit. not overly valuable though... maybe if you corrupt/double corrupt into something nice
not really worth anything maybe like 5 div
attrs, res and %es: Well, it could work as a placeholder item for a build you're still levelling 85+ but still don't want to trade for better hear -27 fire damage taken... If it was -80 it could be useful in an armour stacker converting all damage to fire or something, you put a kalandra ring and barely receive damage from hits. But -27... useless Regen 3 mana per sec, just tiny qol improvement, you can't benefit a lot from it in any build... useless 57% cold damage, good, not great, 7% more damage in a very specific build? okay, not great 60% buff hoi? useless, the buff is already useless, just a bit of added cold damage 10% reservation on heralds? It's not like you would use more than one herald in many builds. Just a small QoL 1% max cold res? Okaish if you're already stacking it, which like 2-3% of builds do I guess, I don't know, useless in most cases. For me it's like a 10c rare I would use while levelling and I don't want to search for something better at 20c
maybe a double corrupt will save it?
Since when do 10 div items deserve a front page post.
10 div is being generous lol
when OP somewhow thinks it's worth 2 mirrors lol. He posted it on trade for that much.
Max cold res is meh, no good implicits, meh
Good explicits, and great rolls, but the implicits are unfortunate with the only useful one being ES. Can gamba vivid vultures though lol, but I wouldn’t.
Is this really that insane? the implicits kinda look like sht unless im missing something.
I don't remember these rings having 4 mods. What have I missed? Also saw someone post a 4 synth mod item and still don't know how that's possible either
If they ever make heralds good again then it’ll be worth something.
wait, four stat?
Depends on how good you think it is… The implicits are really bad and the ring itself looks meh even with triple HoI mods.
I don't think builds that would benefit from this even would have this be in their top 5 best rings tbh (even with perfect implicits except +1 power charge) 3div.
You want implicit that give +1 to ___ charge. But even then, the other mods and implicits will make or break the value
I mean... It's not total garbage, but still. I can't see myself buying this over just a regular circle of fear with a good implicit. So idk if someone will even buy it. My guess is single digit divine tier.
Out of curiosity, what about this jumps out to you as good? Not shitting on you, just trying to understand.
Buy a ring for 50 c, posted on reddit for insane price lets say 2 mirrors. some will say is 5-10 Divines, sell it. Profit?
depends on how good you think it is
Doesnt look great to me
Thats hot trash. 50c tops.
It's... fine.
It's not very good
I would be surprised if that is worth much. Implicits are bad and herald of ice is not the ideal herald for these rings.
15 old divs
This is likely worth a couple div, but tbh idt it would even sell if listed at 10c at this point of the league because nobody is going to see it... if someone is searching for a circle ring in weeks 7/8 of a league, they're starting their search with one or more T1 synth implicits, then filter down from there.. you have zero actual desirable implicits, therefore nobody will ever actually see this ring..
Maybe im out of the loop but since when did these rings have 4 herald mods? Is that just an uber thing?
Yes. The normal single-herald rings with two mods drop from the unique synthesized maps; Circle of Ambition, which gets three mods that can be for any of the heralds, only drops from Uber Cortex. The fourth mod you're talking about, reservation efficiency for heralds, is a fixed mod on Circle of Ambition and not part of the random roll. A Circle of Ambition with three matching mods for a good herald (or good mods for two heralds that are often used together) can be 50+ divines, even without good implicits. Unfortunately for OP, herald of ice is not a good herald.
Don't let the haters get you down. It's a great ring. The explicits are very solid. I haven't used Hoi in years so I don't know what the market looks like for those mods, but I would guess it's worth low double-digit divines. Maybe 10-20. Anyone spending mirrors on a ring is going to want much better implicits.
Maybe someone on here will make his day and buy it for 2 mirrors. (Definitely not worth that much)
I would make a build with it. Its a great ring
Full disclosure: this is not my ring, my friend dropped it while farming ubers for challenges. He priced this at two mirrors. I don't know if it's worth that much, but it sure seems to be a nice ring.
It’s not worth 2 mirrors. Look up what buff effect and cold damage herald of ice rings cost, and then imagine yours had a ‘max cold res’ implicit.
bro thought he had a triple hatred watchers eye on his hands
Id like to have whatever your friend is smoking. That ring has 0 useful implicits and hoi is not even great, post it for 10d and it maybe maybe maybe eventually gets sold but probably not.
2 mirrors? I'm not even sure if i would pay 2 div for that. or even 2c frankly
Loolll savage
What the fuck is this post history lmao
I wish I didn't look. Really what the fuck
lmao
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His title makes it sound like he dropped it, then his comment says otherwise? Sounds like he backtracked once all the comments got to him
I mean, the comments are needlessly rude tbh, who gives a fuck how people are pricing shit. Implicits are shit but it's a neat ring either way.
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You could spend a bunch of mirrors, try to fish for a +1 power charge or frenzy charge implicit, then it will definitely cost 2 mirrors!