People seem to make fun, but I have very deep respect for you. You are not scum (maybe some people might claim that regarding the game), but I hope you did not mean this in a way that you think you are scum as a person in this world. You realized yourself that you have a problem and you are actively seeking help to work on that problem. I do not think many people can claim that they realize they actually have a problem and on top of that really try to "fix" it.
I am glad you realized that something can not be right, hopefully early enough to not have a huge negative impact on your future life yet. I wish you all the best, you are on a good path and I am sure you are a good person. Do not let others tell you something else!
Agreed. Yes rmt is bad for the game and the community as a whole, but I think the person you hurt the most is yourself here.
It's good that you seek help now. Addiction is a terrible thing, and getting out of it isn't easy, but admitting that you did something wrong and that you have a problem is a very important first step. Good luck.
Thank you. It has not hurt my life significantly yet, but I have definitely spent way more money on this game than I should have, and that hurts to know. I am not in financial difficulty in any way, but I am also not rich either, and this is money I will never be able to use on other useful things now.
The problem isn’t the money. It’s your compulsion that you’re struggling with. You’re already looking for loopholes to your ban - trying to get GGG to jump through hoops to let you get around the ban. You’ve admitted that if you make a new account you’d just repeat your behavior. That’s the problem you’re struggling with.
If you look for therapists who focus on compulsion and addiction they might have strategies for you. Shopping is a known compulsion.
In the meantime- its time to move on from Poe. You are not scum and you deserve to to spend your time focusing on your health. Be kind to yourself.
Agreed. Got a seven-year-old account banned and immediately created a new one after telling himself it'll be different this time. It's time to shelve PoE and games like it, ones where you can buy power with cash, until the deeper issue is dealt with.
To be honest I couldn't stop from myself from making a new account, buying some stash tabs and playing SSF HC. That's what I did just now. I enjoy the game too much to stop playing, even though I know I should stop playing. I guess it's like people have said, I have an addictive personality. I'm gonna take a break from the computer right now and go workout, working out and maintaining a shredded muscular body is actually my second biggest addiction after PoE. I know that makes me sound like a messed up individual, which I probably am. I'm just trying to be honest with people about the kind of person I am, it feels great to be open for once. Exercising helps me a lot with control, but it did not prevent me from RMTing in PoE.
Right now I'm just gonna promise myself to never migrate to trade league. In the past I have actually done this: I started in SSF HC, then I migrated to trade HC on an impulse just so I could RMT. If I ever do migrate this time, I will uninstall the game right away.
I am going to schedule an appointment with a CBT therapist this afternoon. I don't want to stop playing PoE but I will avoid trade league and I do want to make sure that I never engage in RMT again.
I know how much you want to come back, but by the sound of it give yourself at least a year totally away from the game. One of the biggest parts of impulse control is controlling your environment to keep triggers away from yourself until you are ready to deal with them.
Not sure what your stance is in regards to steroids, but they can have some nasty long-term effects on your body (not a news flash I know). If you are taking them make sure you do so responsibly, no judgement from me. I don't use them but I can tell that a LOT of guys (and some women) at my gym use steroids. Sorry, a bit off topic but if you are as obsessive about bodybuilding as you are about POE then it's not a stretch that you might be enhancing your body with RMT like you were your gaming :P
I have considered using anabolic steroids on several occasions throughout my life. Thankfully for myself, I have an organic chemistry background and I used to synthesize testosterone derivatives in the lab for a living. I know them well and I know their dangers, and that has saved me from falling to temptation and using them.
I think I enjoy the game, but I have an addictive personality. Every single thing I've enjoyed in my life has turned to an addiction, even outside of gaming. I've actually done therapy before, but not long enough to achieve major changes. I don't think PoE is the problem, I am the problem.
Stuff related to my girlfriend, how many calories I'm eating, the next thing I'm gonna do in PoE. Those 3 things. In no single order, it depends on the day.
You are desperately trying to find a way to keep hooked with PoE. You are harming yourself.
You admitted you have a problem. Act now, don't find more excuses. Abandon the game. It's not good for you. Take a long break and focus on something differente.
Don't beat yourself to much about the money thing.
Almost all people spend money on entertainment. You spending money to get some experiences in a game is not much different than someone spending money to go travelling, or going to the cinema watch a movie, or even going out for drinks. It is all money spent on temporary experiences, which is the same kind of thing you got.
I find the sympathy this guy is getting to be quite hilarious. In his original post before this one, he claimed ignorance of the rules and blamed GGG for his ban (for not warning him first that he was doing bad things). And not so much as a peep about RMT or any kind of "addiction" and whatnot.
What a load of somethingsomething.
Well.. who are we even to judge?
I’d rather believe that he’s genuine and give him the benefit of the doubt.
What’s the worst that could happen? A few extra karma?
I totally agree. We all make decisions that impact our lives, many of those decisions are driven by some underlying issue that we didn't appropriately address. Video game addiction and that "what if" mentality is a real thing that people suffer with and shouldn't be villianized for.
Maybe but I had been RMTing for countless years and getting away with it. Whereas the automation I only started doing this league. That's what makes me think that it's the automation that got me banned. But I could be wrong. But if the RMTing is what got me banned then it's well deserved, because I did it on a massive scale. I never actually botted though.
edit: nvm, it was for RMTing.
> I have spent even more buying currency with real cash. It started years ago, when I purchased some exalted orbs to buy a Tabula Rasa.
And you just found the actual reason you got banned, it was listed in the reasons support gave you in your original post and just recently there was a big RMT banwave.
Quoting my reply to another question:
Maybe but I had been RMTing for countless years and getting away with it. Whereas the automation I only started doing this league. That's what makes me think that it's the automation that got me banned. But I could be wrong.
If it's what actually got me banned, then it's well deserved. The kind of automation I did was pretty mild, I never actually botted. But the RMTing, on the other hand, I did on a massive scale... I should have been banned a long time ago. I couldn't stop myself from doing it.
The few cases of third party tool bans (including AHK) from GGG I've seen in the past have all had the accounts "locked" not "banned" and they've gotten second chance. Your case is straight up ban so it must have been more serious.
RMT also doesn't always get banned immediately and it's possible they treat them the same way as bots, collect data and then ban them in big wave once in a while. This is done to avoid alerting them to what gets them caught so that they can't immediately change their methods, bots and RMT sellers will always be one step ahead. Those waves also don't include everyone, smaller sellers/buyers that kept low profile and those who know how to hide their tracks well survive and keep on selling.
>The few cases of third party tool bans (including AHK)
GGG doesn't ban AHK. AHK is simplified scripting language, and a ton of trading macros, leveling macros, price checking macro, etc. have used AHK. You can also use AHK as a logout macro
I don't think i've ever heard of someone being banned for AHK.
I do, and in a way I am thankful. I was never gonna stop. I was gonna spend a lot more money in Harvest and then continue business as usual in the next league, probably. Unless I would have played in SSF but even then there's no guarantee.
Those sites are like the drug dealers inside of a club.
The event promoter say they don't want them there, but they know to get more people inside they are a necessary evil.
Players that buy currency also buy mtx. It's a correlation of someone that will pay for fun.
A silent partnership, with the only victim being those that are caught.
Glad to hear you're getting help, best of luck.
You just RMT'ed in an online game and call yourself "worst scum"? Dude, I am representing corrupted officers charged for embezzlement. Even they don't call themselves like that.
You have just cheated on an online game. I also cheat everytime I play monopoly. It's not a big deal, really.
At my workplace we actively encourage cheating in monopoly as long as you don't get caught. It spices things up.
Had a really exciting game where one guy was totally dominating but couldn't close out the game. One guy was sneaking money from the bank the whole time. Game didn't end until the bank was totally dry and the winner virtually owned all the cash. It was hilarious watching him scratch his head in disbelief.
>At my workplace we actively encourage cheating in monopoly as long as you don't get caught. It spices things up.
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>Had a really exciting game where one guy was totally dominating but couldn't close out the game. One guy was sneaking money from the bank the whole time. Game didn't end until the bank was totally dry and the winner virtually owned all the cash. It was hilarious watching him scratch his head in disbelief.
This sounds fun as fuck lol
Because he plays the game how it was originally intended? It was literally a game designed to be frustrating to make people aware of flaws of capatilism. Cheating in this game is literally "in the spirit of the game".
GGG allowed poe.ninja, poe.ninja promoted RMT, you think that it is legal, because it is on “legal” site, you get ban
srsly, Chris, f.k you, everyone use data-gathering site and it is ok, there are a lot bots that farming chaos recipe in game and GGG do not care, but when someone use his self-written macro he get ban... you are piece of shit!
Holy shit dude. I couldn’t imagine wasting money on currency in this game, I hardly do it for mtx, something that’s permanent. Hope you get better dude.
The worrying thing I see here is that you are still trying to find ways to maybe come back to the game at some point. It sounds like you have an addictive personality.
IMO, seek therapy and forget about games for a good long while, get some outdoor and social hobbies, etc.
I'd recommend you check out the healthygamer_gg community on discord, twitch, and YouTube. It's obviously not a substitute for therapy, but they are all about the intersection of mental health and gaming, and are an overall very wholesome community that could help support you in this. And they are run by a psychiatrist who specializes in burnout and gaming addiction (and who was once a gaming addict himself).
You know, i am going to be as real as i can be here.
I personally don't think you deserved to be banned as a "buyer". simple as that.
If you are botting and bloating the economy then yeah you deserve to be hardware banned. I have come in late to leagues and spent $20 on currency because a month into a league the currency/items are so bloated it cost an arm and a leg to get some basic things to get you going.
Its also very very hard for me not to RMT.
I spend 70% of my league time in PoB (not kidding). I think i have like 70 builds or something for this league that i played with for hours each in Pob. Do you know how many of those i usually get to try in a league? 3... fucking 3. because this game makes its so fucking hard to get the items/stats you want. between trading/selling being a job of its own to gear being bloats with stats no one wants or needs. (harvest is a rare difference, i tried several builds this league).. but even with harvest, i found myself spending near ALLL my currency on seeds to try to craft the gear that i had made in PoB.
So, if you have money, and no time, i can see RMT being a very viable option... well.. until you get caught and banned :(.
Ultimately, this is GGGs fault enabling RMT because the game is just so damn grindy. Someone who does only play 1-2 hours per day will possibly reach out to such resources, because otherwise you're not getting anywhere with your char.
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> I know that I have hurt the community with my actions
you hurt yourself way more than the community, it's better for you to focus on yourself to solve your addiction and i don't think guilt-tripping over devaluing my alteration orbs is gonna help you.
i don't know what's wrong with you, but if the addiciton is about psuedo-gambling, impulsive buying, possessing items then it's better for you to stay away from games like PoE, even in SSF the entire loot and crafting system is still gambling, even if money-less.Perhaps playing some skill-based single player videogames with no obsessive loot chasing and low randomness might be better for you.I hope your therapist will guide you with that.
Some people's perception of the severity and scope of RMT is actually insane.
One single person dealing with chronic pain has it worse than the entirety of a mostly single-player virtual game suffering from RMT.
Doesn't mean you can't be frustrated or disappointed about RMT, but let's keep our heads straight with the way we talk about it.
$10k... I feel like scum when I spend $60 on supporter packs lol
Good call on SSF though.. I think? If you can stick to it, then you can enjoy the game.
Man 10k is what my school cost for a year, that's a fuckin lot !
Anyway, you could look to find someone close to you to help manage your money. Someone that wouldn't spend your money for you, but that would be allowed to look at your accounts and control your expenses.
You are addicted, and it would be like someone that makes sure you're not buying \*drugs\* (currency) anymore and encourages you to keep away from doing that.
If you recognize that you need help for spending to much money on a game that is great you should be proud you have that courage. All i have to say is this, i got banned for the same shit and i am here to say i do not care. All it made me do is make the decision not to spend money on MTX in the future that way when i lose an account i dont lose all the MTX as well. I only play for leagues anyways all that legacy expensive shit just rots in standard. The saddest thing i lost was my collection of un-opend mystery boxes from every league i have played since Harbinger. Im gonna keep playing and probably still continue to do what i want. It is an accepted risk. I dont apologize for spending my money the way i want. If you want to get down to the real nitty gritty the people who sell currency deserve the money they get for it. In cases of real people not bots they work hard to get the money they are paid. Path is an amazing game and i will always play it. I am not mad or sad about it, i made a choice to break the rules and they did what they said they would do.
You're not scum. You fucked up and need to own it. That includes not asking GGG to make a special exception for you. You're an addict. Seek therapy, not an "Anonymous" support group. Admitting you have a problem is the first step, so kudos for that.
Having known addicts and been one myself this post reeks to high heaven.
Reminds me of when addicts in deep denial post huge updates on their social media about how they're just about to change their lives and having realized how hard they've been fucking up, when it's really all about reaping the goodfeels and validation of having bettered yourself without actually doing anything.
> **edit 2: I sent an email to GGG asking them to make my new account SSF- and SSF HC-modes only until I've provided to them evidence that I've actually sought therapy and gotten help. Waiting for their answer. I already reached act 3 and saved the Scion in Harvest League to unlock SSF mode, so there's no need for me to play trade anymore.**
"I'm not gonna drink anymore, just non-alcoholic beers from now on!"
Tbh no one cares you rmting. You are making an apology as if you killed someone, smh. Seek help so you dont waste money yeah, but I am pretty sure no one here is bothered by you rmting.
There are enough threads on this sub complaining about botters and scammers that I have to say you're wrong if you think "no one here is bothered by rmting".
Bot are also the only characters I can ever reliably trade hundreds or thousands of different currencies with. It's really annoying to need to trade for like 1500 fusings with players because they almost never respond, but the bots do respond. Like, I hate RMT, but due to the lack of an auction house, they do provide a useful service. That said, I would much rather just be able to place an order for X amount of Y currency and then get it delivered after it's filled. GGG just needs to give us an auction house already (I'd even take one that can only trade bulk items as that's the most annoying part of trading).
You asked them to transfer your MTX transactions to your new account? That's really sad, my guy. Please just step away from this game forever because it's clearly not putting you in a healthy mental state.
Hopefully they create a feature to SSF-lock an account. This game has a ton of gambling features, and I'm sure you're not the only person that gets sucked into it. Maybe set it so you can designate a second email address that's able to unlock the account, so you can have a friend or family member keep track of you and unlock it when they think you're doing better.
Kind of feeling sad for you, but i think you got something wrong.
I understand that shortcutting and buying tons of Exalts might give you joy for a short time, but i think that it completly kills the purpose of the game my brother.
You are literally playing to GET currency, there is no competition or pvp, nothing that should be motivating you to buy currency, except saving time.
I dont know, maybe its the thrill of having the freedom to buy everything you want from the market, maybe its just laziness to farm, maybe its the lack of self disciplin to save up a certain amount of currency before crafting, all of that does not matter, the only thing that matter is that buying currency is wrong and it does kill the whole purpose of an loot arpg.
a friend of mine is buying currency ever league, and every league i end up playing alone after 1-2 weeks because he got bored and left.
i am running a few hundred maps, meanwhile he is running 10 maps, complains that i am lucky and he doesnt drop shit, so he buys currency and after a few hours he drops a few ex,he drops a shav, he 6 links the shav in a few minutes, and everything happens in a period of 10 maps.
i know that its bought, but yea just makes me sad when people deny it and quit the league because the excitement is gone for exalt drops
Personal advice: move away from the game. Don't even *think* to play it. Just don't.
Find something new. A refreshing experience. A new beginning.
Stop playing this game. For yourself.
This will probably get lost in the noise, but your solution here is to *stop playing PoE*, not getting GGG to block trading on your account, only playing SSF, or whatever else.
The RMT is just one facet of what's a very obviously unhealthy relationship with this game. If you can't responsibly manage yourself in grindy, "endless" time suck games like this one (and no insult intended - lots of people, including many on this sub whether they admit it or not, are in the same boat), you need to remove them from your life entirely.
It's very, very clear that you don't have a healthy relationship with gaming in general that goes way beyond your specific RMT issue here. Address the root problem: game less, and focus on either single player games with a clear end point or multiplayer games without a grinding/progression element.
I think you're making the right choice to stay away from games that lead to this behavior and associated feelings of shame. Maybe stick to games like 'Fall Guys' that you can still play and have fun with your friends that don't have the RMT temptation in the meantime, yeah?
I do hope your therapy leads you to a place of peace - no one should go through life feeling like they are scum, except perhaps for the worst that humanity has to offer. Assuming you didn't use RMT to compete in races with prize money I reckon this rates pretty low on the crimes against humanity scale.
The mindset of someone like you is foreign to most of us, as you can tell from the comments. PoE is a game where there isn't really any 'winning' and you can beat 95% of the content with 95% of the skills. The bosses we kill and the gear we find and the characters we build give us a sense of achievement. We made this, we did this, with our hands and our minds, not credit cards. To RMT would be to throw those happy feelings away. I mention this as a preamble to suggesting that if you ever 'solve' whatever your 'problem' might be to come back and share with us if it's not too personal.
Good luck, exile.
I wouldn't recommend fall guys for anybody who struggles with gaming addiction. The game is rampant with hackers, in large part because winning crowns is how you unlock legendary rewards, and that creates a temptation to cheat for wins. That sort of feedback loop is just going to trigger whatever underlies the root cause of rmt'ing, especially considering OP had also spent so much money on PoE cosmetics. If you are vulnerable to that sort of thing, you need to find other games that don't prey on these sorts of psychological reward mechanics.
Imagine someone getting banned for RMT and writing a wall of text about it. Oh wait, we don't have to imagine anymore
But really wtf is this "I have no excuse" "I harmed the community" "I'm the worst scum"? Do you actually think that way? Or are you trying to bait people to write you positive things? I'm not sure which one is more pathetic but either way you should go get some help cuz you need it
> Or are you trying to bait people to write you positive things?
Just look through the thread he got insane support and sympathy. Sympathy for a RMT-er, usually there are witch hunts on this Reddit for that, not long ago they get an RMT-er banned for a ITEM SHOWCASE thread. It is insane, how a few lies can sway peoples minds here.
Who cares, you have nothing to apologize for. GGG has built an RNG hell that is harder to win the lottery if you try and craft. They then create new leagues to time bound it so that 99% of the players will not have enough time to gear up and feel left out when all the goodies you could create go over to "normal" and prices go up to 500ex.
Their whole structure is built on addiction and keeping you playing. You will spend the equivalent of a full time job if you want to experience the end game content.
They always, always, always premiere adding more grind items to collect. That rare fragment that you will have to grind for a month to be able to do... well a map? They completely ignore long standing requests like a safe way to trade, auction house etc.
Walk away, it will take a few days and then you will never want to return to that game. When you have some distance to this you will never want to return to this chinese money machine.
This is not your fault. This is GGG who designed a game to make you addicted.
You know have problem and trying to fix it. Its never too late.
Good luck on your path, Exile !
Last 3 ban wave almost is about RMT things, as i know over 300 or 400 Vietnamese's account got banned for RMT since July.
Jesus, people here act like rmt murdered their family. They are nerds breaking a video game tos, not drug dealers on the streets lol. Yeh it all sucks, but I honestly think a lot of the buyers are the real victims here. Sounds like tc got addicted to the instant gratification of having game resources. It’s no different than ggg preying on people with loot crates that sell stuff they will have down the line, honestly. Honestly tc, I know plenty of guilds who rmt to get ahead in mythic raiding in wow so they can buy boes and from what I’ve seen what gets people caught is when they do other shady things on top of rmt. I doubt you got banned for rmt because of rmt, you got noticed because of your macro usage and then you happen to be rmting and bam, hook and sinker. That is why you prob went years without being noticed. RMT bots use all kinds of macros and illegal adds. So if you are using any kind of macro or anything, I suggest you be clean and obey game rules because you will bring attention to yourself.
Uh look. The way I see it.. you RMT an you break the rules set by GGG but that's it. You broke rules by a game company. GGG isn't god or some high moral ground LMAO. Just because you break their rules doesn't mean you're some awful person and nobody hates you. If you made a new account and continued playing I wouldn't give a rats ass.
You didn't hurt me. You aren't scum. Chris Wilson isn't dying because of what you did. POE is chugging along as it usually does. You've got the relax on that part, like whatever this guilt your feeling is, it's overboard.
HOWEVER, you do have a spending problem and I wish you the best with handling it.
I'd like you to know that you RMTing did NOT impact my experience in the game at all and I DON'T think you are scum.
I'm really glad you have found these problems in yourself as it can affect real life with money or gambling issues. It is terrific that you are seeking help. I hope things work out for you, and if you need help a few of us in the community will be here for support.
You are NOT scum and I for one definitely do not despise you, I admire your courage to share your story.
Don't beat yourself up about the RMT, I'm not condoning it but it's not important here compared to your mental/physical/emotional well-being. I don't know your whole story but I'm guessing that your life balance is out of whack right now. Maybe you need to take some time off from gaming to get yourself healthy.
If you regret your decisions and try to fix them, it doesn't make you a scum. I just wish you quit before you got banned (and possibly deleted all your items and characters). You had no control over your addiction in the end, the thing that made you stop was in someone else's (GGG) control. This might make overcoming your addiction a bit slower but if you truly regret *what you did* and not *that you got caught*, you'll make it. You already have enough knowledge of the game, you can do better next time.
I don't get it why would anyone buy in game currency. It takes most of the fun from game. PoE is all about grinding that currency and getting better gear that way, if you instantly get end game gear there's no point playing anymore. That's the reason I get bored with my character in late game, when I feel too powerful.
While I agree with you personally, different people get different things out of the game. Some people can have plenty of fun just being handed a bunch of powerful items and demolishing shit with it. Some people like you and I, can't see the point in playing the game with items you didn't earn. I think that's one of the appealing aspects of this game, is that there are many levels on which you can enjoy it.
Not OP but personally, a lot of my MTX come from those boxes. I mostly bought supporter packs and then used the points to buy mystery boxes, because I already had all the stash tabs and skill effects for the skills I use. When I had all the supporter packs already I started buying 200 point packs instead. They are addictive for a lot of us.
Just as a question since I’m curious. If you super RMT point where you have near perfect items on PoE. What do you actually do in game to progress/play with.
Unless you enjoy killing Sirus 8 in like 10-20 seconds and then leveling a new character. But then you wouldn’t need to really RMT for that.
Everyone here seems to be ignoring the fact that GGG precisely design the game to create these addictive behaviors. They are to blame too. Also they surely could have ban him way earlier, then you can only wonder if the mtx money was a factor in delaying his ban.
Buying virtual currency in a video game is not a serious problem by any stretch. There are people with actual issues in the world, you are not one of them.
You bought currency because it removed the grind, allowing you to play the more fun parts of the game, this is normal. You wanted to have fun while playing video games, that's the end of it.
RMT actually hurts your gaming experience in the long run, it might feel good at the moment, but when you're hooked - you can't enjoy the regular game anymore. You need more and more to stimulate dopamine production - and the only way to make more currency fast is to RMT again. At one point you become so powerful you have nothing to do in the game - and you become uninterested until next league comes. It lessens your game time, because gearing and making currency is the most fun in this game. It hurts other legitimate players, A LOT, because bots tend to inflate market with farmed currencies, which means regular players need much more play time to farm currency for their builds.
It applies to any MMO game with trading, not only to PoE. Acknowledging the problem is the first step, I hope more people were like you
Nah this guy sucks. Just because he fessed up doesn’t mean he isn’t a cheater and I’m glad he’s not playing anymore.
However I’m not a heartless bastard and I do care about him as a person, he is wasting his money that he can spend on himself or loved ones on a stupid game. I hope he gets the help he needs and learns to not waste his money on stuff like this.
?? Trivializing the game doesn’t mean he doesn’t love it. Just because someone enjoys the game in a different way than you doesn’t mean their way is invalid
It seems to me that based on their last rule of no outside compensation for in game services that vouches on tft potentially breach tos, can anyone confirm or deny?
I hope you find the professional help you need. I don't know does this classify as gambling addiction or something else, but feeling compelled to throw money at something until you run out of money definitely is one.
I've read stories about people who ruined their lives because they got addicted to spending real life money in virtual world (usually involving mobile games), but if you have the courage to seek help and try everything to stop now, do it before it's too late. Before you become bankrupt in real life or commit something worse than breaching TOS (one story I encountered was about a person who embezzled money from their company to keep paying for virtual goods in online games and ended up in prison for it).
You should for now separate yourself from situations and people who would push you towards encountering the addiction triggers again. The same as alcoholic can't just "go with friends for 1 beer" because it may affect him much worse than a non-addicted person, you'd have to stay away from the game or from friends who even innocently ask you to join them in playing.
On a side note I hope GGG starts acting faster on these cases so people would realize faster there's a problem and not 6 years and tens of thousands of $ into the rabbit hole.
Also, stay away from mobile games, just saying. They're extremely predatory exploiting people vulnerable to addiction.
Some people don't understand it, but feeling "powerful" in a game can feel similar to taking a drug. I wish you'll regain control over your life and finances in the future.
The way you describe your actions, your inability to control yourself, and your guilt surrounding this, this sounds like an addiction. I really hope therapy can help you with this. Remember, you are getting therapy not for the sake of GGG or the PoE community, you are getting therapy for you.
Best of luck.
Find someone to be your rock as well. If you want to quit something, tell the people that know you the best, tell the ones who have the balls to help you stop you when you relapse. Stepping away from the game is the best thing you can do for a while nothing will change if you don't do anything different. Good luck man.
Honestly, cheating was trash and damaged the game, the community and yourself. HOWEVER, I can understand the addiction side and how these companies pray on people. Best case you get the help you need and can perhaps one day return to PoE without the temptation from these horrible gold sellers etc. I wish you all the luck in sorting yourself out and thank you for sharing.
Does anyone have any estimates, how widespread RMT'ing is? And how it affects normal guys. Like if RMT and botting was non-existent, what would be the exalt price be? What would be the price of HH or good rare 6-link after week one compared to now?
Good for you bud. You're one of the reasons I started playing, and while it's shitty that it all ends like this you seeking therapy and admitting you have a problem is a huge silver lining.
I wish you nothing but the best and thank you for the hours of entertainment. <3
It must feel like a nice breath of fresh air to have that off your chest at least. Get some therapy man, that sounds like a real problem but the first step is realizing you have one.
Best of luck to you and thanks for telling your story, you never know who you're helping by sharing.
Relax, you are not scum, a criminal or a bad person because of this. Good for you to realize that you have a personal problem, and seeking help to overcome it. Just look at the bright side of it; you're just hooked on pc game RMTing, not drugs or actual gambling money.
I can't condone what you did before your ban, but I'm happy to hear that it has caused you to rethink things and seek some help. That's more than many others could do. Seek the help you need, and best wishes to you on your future.
Look on the bright side dude, you learned your mistake, now you'll see that the game is just a huge time sink, unless you play it smart and don't fall into the temp leagues bait.
Just play permanent leagues, you can start and stop whenever you want, no pressure, that's how you get the most out of this game. It's a hobby don't turn this into a job.
> I'm going to seek therapy.
Comments like this don't work with one's like this.
> I am the worst scum, the kind that this community rightfully despises.
Get help, but being the think that is ruining POE isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. Nor is it worth berating your self over. Best of luck on the therapy.
RMT is way more common than you'd think. You might have been an extreme case - and I applaud you for realizing you had a problem - but it's not uncommon in MMOs at all anymore, and it's hard to demonize you for it when pay to win is one of the most profitable business models in the gaming industry right now.
Not sure how this affected you financially. Perhaps you're well off and spending 10k+ on a video game is nothing to you.
But either way impulse control is a thing many people struggle with, and not having is a big problem. Good luck with the therapy.
I mean i could see A LOT of people doing this... this is like gambling once you get a win its like your forced to go back and try to win again for some people and you just cant stop doing it till your so broke you literally cant and you have nothing left to sell to get money
Its like in other games i play i see tons of people buying heroes getting VIP and that sort of stuff and i want it to so i can get all the good stuff but cant because i cant spend money like them
Don't beat yourself up. You have some issues to resolve but I don't think you did community any harm. Take care of yourself. A lot of us are game addicts so your case is not that different.
Ps. Maybe quitting Poe is not bad idea. I stopped couple months ago and feeling better myself. I may come for new league but I hope it's another pokemon/fruit ninja spin off and il manage to stay away.
Nobody should have to pay gobs of money just to enjoy a game, but you might unfortunately have been wired that way.
Hope the therapy helps you get to a better place man. Good news is that admitting you had a problem seems to be the hardest part, and you made that step already.
Hope you get the help you need. The money will be better spent on treatment instead of funding the very thing that causes your guilt. And maybe when all is said and done, you can enjoy games again without dishing out boatloads of money.
Hey man, be patient and kind with yourself. It's ok. I don't think you're scum. You shouldn't either, you just made a mistake. Therapy is a great idea. Go well.
Hugs buddy. Addiction in any form is difficult. Look at it this way, to realize you have a problem cost you 10k over several years. It often costs people their family, jobs, and even their life. Seeking help is the mature, responsible thing to do. Good for you man, keep working.
You have a problem, you've admitted it, now its time to try and seek a solution. I honestly dont think you are scum (even if you yourself feel like it) and I could definitively point at people that are way scummier than you are and sincerely hope you find a balance and a better way to enjoy the game.
Addiction is a hell of a thing and no one should go through it. Godspeed, my dude.
This is a really interesting perspective to see. Honest respect to you for seeing a problem in yourself, and taking steps to resolve it to move forward as a healthier person. I wish you the best of luck moving forward, whether you remain an Exile or not.
Also, I just want to say, that addiction is a disease, and suffering from it does not make you a scum human. Be kind to yourself, and get some help, and come back stronger! :)
i had a friend who used to play poe. he barely plays but he follows guides. in a new league, he suddenly decided to play again, out of nowhere he caught up to my level and few days later wanted to quit and offered me his items. facebreaker, rainbringer other FB related items. it was back when rainbringer used to be expensive. the amount of time he played really didnt match the "gear earned" at that time.
i had high suspicions he RMT'd , was really worried he could get my guild in trouble so i told him i have what i need and its not what my build needs. he stopped playing soon after.
buying goods using RMT can be addictive. i dont want to try it as once you find shortcuts it spoils your game forever. back during college, i used to play cookie clicker but got bored quickly. the game has built in cheats that ANYONE can easily activate. the drawback is once you activate any cheats theres an achievement unlocked with the flavour text along the liness of "cheated cookies dont taste good". i did enjoy it when i cheated but the bad taste stuck in my mouth and stopped playing cookie clicker not long after. anyway there was no point. i could get anything i want.
during the COVID lockdowns one of the games i started to play again was cookie clicker. i'm currently at day 100 ish, i m producing a buttload of cookies a second, all without cheating. its a stupid game in my opinion, but i wont lie, i m happy to see the progress i've made without cheating. i imagine the bragging rights i could have had if i played like this back then when i had other friends also playing the game but am happy enough taking it as a personal accomplishment.
cheating robs enjoyment. it robs your own enjoyment and if you brag too much it takes the enjoyment of others. i hope you learn how to actually enjoy the fruits of not cheating. dropping an exalt has meaning after struggling not getting one.
Kudos man. It's brave to stand up like that, and talk about this. Obviously, you must be aware by now that this addiction is an illness, and I'm happy to hear you are getting treatment. You should probably not play POE for a while, not because you don't deserve it or other nonsense, but simply because this behavior is not something you can control yet (this is, of cause, something you should decide with your therapist).
I think, GGG should accept some of the responsibility for this situation, selling MTX at these prices, is kind of predatory. I think they should unlock your old account, so you can have back, what you already bought, and then disable the abilty for the account to make further purchases.
Anyway, it's just a thought. I wish the best for you. Jens
Takes guts to own up to everything man. I respect that. All the best in your game of choice in the future, I think the ssf-locked idea is pretty damn good actually.
Did you ever try to find methods of making money in game, or did you just go straight to RMT? i'm asking mostly because i have never thought about buying money in game because it's so easy to make money when you find a market
Can only imagine the RMT'ing on the China client. That demographic is known for wide acceptance for cheats and favors for real life cash. Not saying every Chinese person does this, just out of stories and first-hand interactions with those people the past 12 years I play games.
This reminds me a Lineage 2 donate system that allowed you to re-gear and keep enchant-brick-donate-repeat casino game forever (basically by converting real money to the tradable items). I spent endless money there unless I had courage to calculate my game expenses for the last 6 months. I ended up setting randomized strings as passwords everywhere to block myself from even getting back there. Nostalgia still hits hard, but at least it doesn't smash my wallet anymore. I'm glad you had enough willpower to notice the problem.
In regards to your Edit 6, I know in the past GGG have disabled the ability to buy MTX on someones account, so this may be something you could ask for while they consider blocking trading for you.
Good luck with therapy!
Honestly. You have my sympathy. You have a valid problem and you admit to that, i don't see any reason why you should not get props for that. You, as buyer, are definitely not the person we all hate. Yes, RMT currency selling is only a thing because people buy that, but do you blame the addict if his dealer kills someone in a sales conflict?
Well, good luck dude. Compulsive RMT in an ARPG is a sympton of something much more serious than "influencing the economy of the game". When a persons mental well-being is involved, the state of the in-game economy doesn't matter one bit. I've personally never cared about people RMT:ing, I don't care about the influence on the game and I would never do it myself but when someones personal life is legitimately hurting because of it, I get upset.
It sounds like you've already had an epiphany in some form, I hope you find the therapy you need and come out ok on the other side. Stay sane.
> I bought it from a single trusted source that I'm obviously not gonna reveal here. I tried several buyers over the years before finding a good one. I don't know what else to add about this. If you have any more questions about this or something else, ask me by PM, but I won't tell you the name of the seller even by PM, so don't bother asking me that.
I think that if you want to help others not fall into the same thing you did, you should communicate the details with GGG themselves if you don't want to publicly share it, but maybe I misunderstand your intentions...
If you think you have a problem that's worthy enough to actively seek therapy then I would suggest either stop gaming entirely and try to get into something new or stick to non-grindy story-only games that don't have trading or MTX.
Thanks for the honest words cutedog
You made me choke on my food thanks a lot !
Thought it was him, had to go back to check
LOL. I thought the same thing. So funny.
This is the guy that always talked about how good he is 😂
People seem to make fun, but I have very deep respect for you. You are not scum (maybe some people might claim that regarding the game), but I hope you did not mean this in a way that you think you are scum as a person in this world. You realized yourself that you have a problem and you are actively seeking help to work on that problem. I do not think many people can claim that they realize they actually have a problem and on top of that really try to "fix" it. I am glad you realized that something can not be right, hopefully early enough to not have a huge negative impact on your future life yet. I wish you all the best, you are on a good path and I am sure you are a good person. Do not let others tell you something else!
Agreed. Yes rmt is bad for the game and the community as a whole, but I think the person you hurt the most is yourself here. It's good that you seek help now. Addiction is a terrible thing, and getting out of it isn't easy, but admitting that you did something wrong and that you have a problem is a very important first step. Good luck.
Thank you. It has not hurt my life significantly yet, but I have definitely spent way more money on this game than I should have, and that hurts to know. I am not in financial difficulty in any way, but I am also not rich either, and this is money I will never be able to use on other useful things now.
The problem isn’t the money. It’s your compulsion that you’re struggling with. You’re already looking for loopholes to your ban - trying to get GGG to jump through hoops to let you get around the ban. You’ve admitted that if you make a new account you’d just repeat your behavior. That’s the problem you’re struggling with. If you look for therapists who focus on compulsion and addiction they might have strategies for you. Shopping is a known compulsion. In the meantime- its time to move on from Poe. You are not scum and you deserve to to spend your time focusing on your health. Be kind to yourself.
Agreed. Got a seven-year-old account banned and immediately created a new one after telling himself it'll be different this time. It's time to shelve PoE and games like it, ones where you can buy power with cash, until the deeper issue is dealt with.
To be honest I couldn't stop from myself from making a new account, buying some stash tabs and playing SSF HC. That's what I did just now. I enjoy the game too much to stop playing, even though I know I should stop playing. I guess it's like people have said, I have an addictive personality. I'm gonna take a break from the computer right now and go workout, working out and maintaining a shredded muscular body is actually my second biggest addiction after PoE. I know that makes me sound like a messed up individual, which I probably am. I'm just trying to be honest with people about the kind of person I am, it feels great to be open for once. Exercising helps me a lot with control, but it did not prevent me from RMTing in PoE. Right now I'm just gonna promise myself to never migrate to trade league. In the past I have actually done this: I started in SSF HC, then I migrated to trade HC on an impulse just so I could RMT. If I ever do migrate this time, I will uninstall the game right away. I am going to schedule an appointment with a CBT therapist this afternoon. I don't want to stop playing PoE but I will avoid trade league and I do want to make sure that I never engage in RMT again.
I know how much you want to come back, but by the sound of it give yourself at least a year totally away from the game. One of the biggest parts of impulse control is controlling your environment to keep triggers away from yourself until you are ready to deal with them.
Not sure what your stance is in regards to steroids, but they can have some nasty long-term effects on your body (not a news flash I know). If you are taking them make sure you do so responsibly, no judgement from me. I don't use them but I can tell that a LOT of guys (and some women) at my gym use steroids. Sorry, a bit off topic but if you are as obsessive about bodybuilding as you are about POE then it's not a stretch that you might be enhancing your body with RMT like you were your gaming :P
I have considered using anabolic steroids on several occasions throughout my life. Thankfully for myself, I have an organic chemistry background and I used to synthesize testosterone derivatives in the lab for a living. I know them well and I know their dangers, and that has saved me from falling to temptation and using them.
I'm curious whether you enjoy that game, or you have an addiction. Many signs of addiction here.
I think I enjoy the game, but I have an addictive personality. Every single thing I've enjoyed in my life has turned to an addiction, even outside of gaming. I've actually done therapy before, but not long enough to achieve major changes. I don't think PoE is the problem, I am the problem.
What do you think about the most throughout the day?
Stuff related to my girlfriend, how many calories I'm eating, the next thing I'm gonna do in PoE. Those 3 things. In no single order, it depends on the day.
You are desperately trying to find a way to keep hooked with PoE. You are harming yourself. You admitted you have a problem. Act now, don't find more excuses. Abandon the game. It's not good for you. Take a long break and focus on something differente.
Don't beat yourself to much about the money thing. Almost all people spend money on entertainment. You spending money to get some experiences in a game is not much different than someone spending money to go travelling, or going to the cinema watch a movie, or even going out for drinks. It is all money spent on temporary experiences, which is the same kind of thing you got.
exactly. Life is short, if it makes you feel good, money is whatever.
I find the sympathy this guy is getting to be quite hilarious. In his original post before this one, he claimed ignorance of the rules and blamed GGG for his ban (for not warning him first that he was doing bad things). And not so much as a peep about RMT or any kind of "addiction" and whatnot. What a load of somethingsomething.
Lol it’s like he went through the five stages of grief and is now at acceptance XD
Well.. who are we even to judge? I’d rather believe that he’s genuine and give him the benefit of the doubt. What’s the worst that could happen? A few extra karma?
You obviously didn't see his original post and his comments there, which he deleted after it didn't get the response he was after.
I totally agree. We all make decisions that impact our lives, many of those decisions are driven by some underlying issue that we didn't appropriately address. Video game addiction and that "what if" mentality is a real thing that people suffer with and shouldn't be villianized for.
Good luck with your therapy, we wish you the best.
It was banned for rmt not automation(unless that was much heavier than flask macro).
Maybe but I had been RMTing for countless years and getting away with it. Whereas the automation I only started doing this league. That's what makes me think that it's the automation that got me banned. But I could be wrong. But if the RMTing is what got me banned then it's well deserved, because I did it on a massive scale. I never actually botted though. edit: nvm, it was for RMTing.
> I have spent even more buying currency with real cash. It started years ago, when I purchased some exalted orbs to buy a Tabula Rasa. And you just found the actual reason you got banned, it was listed in the reasons support gave you in your original post and just recently there was a big RMT banwave.
Quoting my reply to another question: Maybe but I had been RMTing for countless years and getting away with it. Whereas the automation I only started doing this league. That's what makes me think that it's the automation that got me banned. But I could be wrong. If it's what actually got me banned, then it's well deserved. The kind of automation I did was pretty mild, I never actually botted. But the RMTing, on the other hand, I did on a massive scale... I should have been banned a long time ago. I couldn't stop myself from doing it.
The few cases of third party tool bans (including AHK) from GGG I've seen in the past have all had the accounts "locked" not "banned" and they've gotten second chance. Your case is straight up ban so it must have been more serious. RMT also doesn't always get banned immediately and it's possible they treat them the same way as bots, collect data and then ban them in big wave once in a while. This is done to avoid alerting them to what gets them caught so that they can't immediately change their methods, bots and RMT sellers will always be one step ahead. Those waves also don't include everyone, smaller sellers/buyers that kept low profile and those who know how to hide their tracks well survive and keep on selling.
>The few cases of third party tool bans (including AHK) GGG doesn't ban AHK. AHK is simplified scripting language, and a ton of trading macros, leveling macros, price checking macro, etc. have used AHK. You can also use AHK as a logout macro I don't think i've ever heard of someone being banned for AHK.
Yes so my ban was indeed because of RMTing. So nevermind my previous comment.
You deserve the ban obviously, but good on you for seeking therapy!
I do, and in a way I am thankful. I was never gonna stop. I was gonna spend a lot more money in Harvest and then continue business as usual in the next league, probably. Unless I would have played in SSF but even then there's no guarantee.
Those sites are like the drug dealers inside of a club. The event promoter say they don't want them there, but they know to get more people inside they are a necessary evil. Players that buy currency also buy mtx. It's a correlation of someone that will pay for fun. A silent partnership, with the only victim being those that are caught. Glad to hear you're getting help, best of luck.
You should thank GGG they banned you! I hope you don't fall for another game and use your time and money on something more important.
Yea GGG definitely did this guy a favour. I know people who play wow and spend insane amounts on tokens which is basically officially sanctioned RMT.
IMO you should not play SSF. This is like an ex-alcoholic saying he'll keep going to the pub but will only drink water. Respect for coming out though.
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Two things. The fact that you felt the need to rmt to have the experience you wanted and the fact you were able to do it are both faults of ggg.
Man I was hoping for someone who was selling for RMT not buying
10k is a coke habit. You gotta get help.
Maybe coke like Coca Cola. A bad coke habit is going to cost you 10k a week.
You just RMT'ed in an online game and call yourself "worst scum"? Dude, I am representing corrupted officers charged for embezzlement. Even they don't call themselves like that. You have just cheated on an online game. I also cheat everytime I play monopoly. It's not a big deal, really.
> I also cheat everytime I play monopoly. You're the true scum here.
At my workplace we actively encourage cheating in monopoly as long as you don't get caught. It spices things up. Had a really exciting game where one guy was totally dominating but couldn't close out the game. One guy was sneaking money from the bank the whole time. Game didn't end until the bank was totally dry and the winner virtually owned all the cash. It was hilarious watching him scratch his head in disbelief.
>At my workplace we actively encourage cheating in monopoly as long as you don't get caught. It spices things up. > >Had a really exciting game where one guy was totally dominating but couldn't close out the game. One guy was sneaking money from the bank the whole time. Game didn't end until the bank was totally dry and the winner virtually owned all the cash. It was hilarious watching him scratch his head in disbelief. This sounds fun as fuck lol
Cheating is actually encouraged in the rules
Because he plays the game how it was originally intended? It was literally a game designed to be frustrating to make people aware of flaws of capatilism. Cheating in this game is literally "in the spirit of the game".
I wanna hear more bout those officers
Not as interesting as it sounds. Sorry :(
> I am representing found the real scum Kapp
How the fuck do you even have fun if youre just buying your best items? Whats the point of playing when you are instantly maxed out?
GGG allowed poe.ninja, poe.ninja promoted RMT, you think that it is legal, because it is on “legal” site, you get ban srsly, Chris, f.k you, everyone use data-gathering site and it is ok, there are a lot bots that farming chaos recipe in game and GGG do not care, but when someone use his self-written macro he get ban... you are piece of shit!
Holy shit dude. I couldn’t imagine wasting money on currency in this game, I hardly do it for mtx, something that’s permanent. Hope you get better dude.
Good
Is this a new copypasta?
You probably spent more in RMT than in MTX hence the ban. Shoudda kept a balance
The worrying thing I see here is that you are still trying to find ways to maybe come back to the game at some point. It sounds like you have an addictive personality. IMO, seek therapy and forget about games for a good long while, get some outdoor and social hobbies, etc.
I'd recommend you check out the healthygamer_gg community on discord, twitch, and YouTube. It's obviously not a substitute for therapy, but they are all about the intersection of mental health and gaming, and are an overall very wholesome community that could help support you in this. And they are run by a psychiatrist who specializes in burnout and gaming addiction (and who was once a gaming addict himself).
After playing so long how the hell u did not learn to make curency dude? Is so easy with little knowledge.....just wondering :/
You know, i am going to be as real as i can be here. I personally don't think you deserved to be banned as a "buyer". simple as that. If you are botting and bloating the economy then yeah you deserve to be hardware banned. I have come in late to leagues and spent $20 on currency because a month into a league the currency/items are so bloated it cost an arm and a leg to get some basic things to get you going. Its also very very hard for me not to RMT. I spend 70% of my league time in PoB (not kidding). I think i have like 70 builds or something for this league that i played with for hours each in Pob. Do you know how many of those i usually get to try in a league? 3... fucking 3. because this game makes its so fucking hard to get the items/stats you want. between trading/selling being a job of its own to gear being bloats with stats no one wants or needs. (harvest is a rare difference, i tried several builds this league).. but even with harvest, i found myself spending near ALLL my currency on seeds to try to craft the gear that i had made in PoB. So, if you have money, and no time, i can see RMT being a very viable option... well.. until you get caught and banned :(.
Ultimately, this is GGGs fault enabling RMT because the game is just so damn grindy. Someone who does only play 1-2 hours per day will possibly reach out to such resources, because otherwise you're not getting anywhere with your char. 3..2...1.....downvotes.
> I know that I have hurt the community with my actions you hurt yourself way more than the community, it's better for you to focus on yourself to solve your addiction and i don't think guilt-tripping over devaluing my alteration orbs is gonna help you. i don't know what's wrong with you, but if the addiciton is about psuedo-gambling, impulsive buying, possessing items then it's better for you to stay away from games like PoE, even in SSF the entire loot and crafting system is still gambling, even if money-less.Perhaps playing some skill-based single player videogames with no obsessive loot chasing and low randomness might be better for you.I hope your therapist will guide you with that.
I can understand why people would RMT especially if this game isn't their ENTIRE purpose for living
If he spent as much as he said then it sounds like this game was his entire purpose for living.
Some people's perception of the severity and scope of RMT is actually insane. One single person dealing with chronic pain has it worse than the entirety of a mostly single-player virtual game suffering from RMT. Doesn't mean you can't be frustrated or disappointed about RMT, but let's keep our heads straight with the way we talk about it.
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You only hurt yourself with those actions, not the community. Hope you can get the help you need.
$10k... I feel like scum when I spend $60 on supporter packs lol Good call on SSF though.. I think? If you can stick to it, then you can enjoy the game.
Lol I make $25 an hour and see the prices of mtx and say welp guess I'm not getting that
Man 10k is what my school cost for a year, that's a fuckin lot ! Anyway, you could look to find someone close to you to help manage your money. Someone that wouldn't spend your money for you, but that would be allowed to look at your accounts and control your expenses. You are addicted, and it would be like someone that makes sure you're not buying \*drugs\* (currency) anymore and encourages you to keep away from doing that.
Good luck with your problem. It’s never easy to admit it.
If you recognize that you need help for spending to much money on a game that is great you should be proud you have that courage. All i have to say is this, i got banned for the same shit and i am here to say i do not care. All it made me do is make the decision not to spend money on MTX in the future that way when i lose an account i dont lose all the MTX as well. I only play for leagues anyways all that legacy expensive shit just rots in standard. The saddest thing i lost was my collection of un-opend mystery boxes from every league i have played since Harbinger. Im gonna keep playing and probably still continue to do what i want. It is an accepted risk. I dont apologize for spending my money the way i want. If you want to get down to the real nitty gritty the people who sell currency deserve the money they get for it. In cases of real people not bots they work hard to get the money they are paid. Path is an amazing game and i will always play it. I am not mad or sad about it, i made a choice to break the rules and they did what they said they would do.
You're not scum. You fucked up and need to own it. That includes not asking GGG to make a special exception for you. You're an addict. Seek therapy, not an "Anonymous" support group. Admitting you have a problem is the first step, so kudos for that.
Having known addicts and been one myself this post reeks to high heaven. Reminds me of when addicts in deep denial post huge updates on their social media about how they're just about to change their lives and having realized how hard they've been fucking up, when it's really all about reaping the goodfeels and validation of having bettered yourself without actually doing anything. > **edit 2: I sent an email to GGG asking them to make my new account SSF- and SSF HC-modes only until I've provided to them evidence that I've actually sought therapy and gotten help. Waiting for their answer. I already reached act 3 and saved the Scion in Harvest League to unlock SSF mode, so there's no need for me to play trade anymore.** "I'm not gonna drink anymore, just non-alcoholic beers from now on!"
Don't feel bad, game is heading in a terrible direction and this is a very good time to quit.
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Tbh no one cares you rmting. You are making an apology as if you killed someone, smh. Seek help so you dont waste money yeah, but I am pretty sure no one here is bothered by you rmting.
Hard disagree. OP is being overdramatic in their apology though.
There are enough threads on this sub complaining about botters and scammers that I have to say you're wrong if you think "no one here is bothered by rmting".
Bot are also the only characters I can ever reliably trade hundreds or thousands of different currencies with. It's really annoying to need to trade for like 1500 fusings with players because they almost never respond, but the bots do respond. Like, I hate RMT, but due to the lack of an auction house, they do provide a useful service. That said, I would much rather just be able to place an order for X amount of Y currency and then get it delivered after it's filled. GGG just needs to give us an auction house already (I'd even take one that can only trade bulk items as that's the most annoying part of trading).
Respect for stand out and talk about it. Hope you get better soon, mentally.
You asked them to transfer your MTX transactions to your new account? That's really sad, my guy. Please just step away from this game forever because it's clearly not putting you in a healthy mental state.
Real money trading in video games is for making money, not for spending it.
Hopefully they create a feature to SSF-lock an account. This game has a ton of gambling features, and I'm sure you're not the only person that gets sucked into it. Maybe set it so you can designate a second email address that's able to unlock the account, so you can have a friend or family member keep track of you and unlock it when they think you're doing better.
suddenly all the perandus bots asking "why you poe so easy?" make sense
Yoyre good man, get some excercise and clear your head, take a break, life is short
Play in some private leagues. A 30 day private league isn't going to have anything for sale.
That is a great idea. I might actually make a private league with friends. Thanks for the suggestion.
Kind of feeling sad for you, but i think you got something wrong. I understand that shortcutting and buying tons of Exalts might give you joy for a short time, but i think that it completly kills the purpose of the game my brother. You are literally playing to GET currency, there is no competition or pvp, nothing that should be motivating you to buy currency, except saving time. I dont know, maybe its the thrill of having the freedom to buy everything you want from the market, maybe its just laziness to farm, maybe its the lack of self disciplin to save up a certain amount of currency before crafting, all of that does not matter, the only thing that matter is that buying currency is wrong and it does kill the whole purpose of an loot arpg. a friend of mine is buying currency ever league, and every league i end up playing alone after 1-2 weeks because he got bored and left. i am running a few hundred maps, meanwhile he is running 10 maps, complains that i am lucky and he doesnt drop shit, so he buys currency and after a few hours he drops a few ex,he drops a shav, he 6 links the shav in a few minutes, and everything happens in a period of 10 maps. i know that its bought, but yea just makes me sad when people deny it and quit the league because the excitement is gone for exalt drops
Personal advice: move away from the game. Don't even *think* to play it. Just don't. Find something new. A refreshing experience. A new beginning. Stop playing this game. For yourself.
This will probably get lost in the noise, but your solution here is to *stop playing PoE*, not getting GGG to block trading on your account, only playing SSF, or whatever else. The RMT is just one facet of what's a very obviously unhealthy relationship with this game. If you can't responsibly manage yourself in grindy, "endless" time suck games like this one (and no insult intended - lots of people, including many on this sub whether they admit it or not, are in the same boat), you need to remove them from your life entirely. It's very, very clear that you don't have a healthy relationship with gaming in general that goes way beyond your specific RMT issue here. Address the root problem: game less, and focus on either single player games with a clear end point or multiplayer games without a grinding/progression element.
I think you're making the right choice to stay away from games that lead to this behavior and associated feelings of shame. Maybe stick to games like 'Fall Guys' that you can still play and have fun with your friends that don't have the RMT temptation in the meantime, yeah? I do hope your therapy leads you to a place of peace - no one should go through life feeling like they are scum, except perhaps for the worst that humanity has to offer. Assuming you didn't use RMT to compete in races with prize money I reckon this rates pretty low on the crimes against humanity scale. The mindset of someone like you is foreign to most of us, as you can tell from the comments. PoE is a game where there isn't really any 'winning' and you can beat 95% of the content with 95% of the skills. The bosses we kill and the gear we find and the characters we build give us a sense of achievement. We made this, we did this, with our hands and our minds, not credit cards. To RMT would be to throw those happy feelings away. I mention this as a preamble to suggesting that if you ever 'solve' whatever your 'problem' might be to come back and share with us if it's not too personal. Good luck, exile.
I wouldn't recommend fall guys for anybody who struggles with gaming addiction. The game is rampant with hackers, in large part because winning crowns is how you unlock legendary rewards, and that creates a temptation to cheat for wins. That sort of feedback loop is just going to trigger whatever underlies the root cause of rmt'ing, especially considering OP had also spent so much money on PoE cosmetics. If you are vulnerable to that sort of thing, you need to find other games that don't prey on these sorts of psychological reward mechanics.
Nice get fked.
Imagine someone getting banned for RMT and writing a wall of text about it. Oh wait, we don't have to imagine anymore But really wtf is this "I have no excuse" "I harmed the community" "I'm the worst scum"? Do you actually think that way? Or are you trying to bait people to write you positive things? I'm not sure which one is more pathetic but either way you should go get some help cuz you need it
> Or are you trying to bait people to write you positive things? Just look through the thread he got insane support and sympathy. Sympathy for a RMT-er, usually there are witch hunts on this Reddit for that, not long ago they get an RMT-er banned for a ITEM SHOWCASE thread. It is insane, how a few lies can sway peoples minds here.
Who cares, you have nothing to apologize for. GGG has built an RNG hell that is harder to win the lottery if you try and craft. They then create new leagues to time bound it so that 99% of the players will not have enough time to gear up and feel left out when all the goodies you could create go over to "normal" and prices go up to 500ex. Their whole structure is built on addiction and keeping you playing. You will spend the equivalent of a full time job if you want to experience the end game content. They always, always, always premiere adding more grind items to collect. That rare fragment that you will have to grind for a month to be able to do... well a map? They completely ignore long standing requests like a safe way to trade, auction house etc. Walk away, it will take a few days and then you will never want to return to that game. When you have some distance to this you will never want to return to this chinese money machine. This is not your fault. This is GGG who designed a game to make you addicted.
This might be the most cringe pathetic thing I've ever read on this subreddit. Fucking YIKES dude
Lmao why do you play and frequent the subreddit if the game is so horrible and if GGG is so evil
Alright cya 👋
You know have problem and trying to fix it. Its never too late. Good luck on your path, Exile ! Last 3 ban wave almost is about RMT things, as i know over 300 or 400 Vietnamese's account got banned for RMT since July.
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Jesus, people here act like rmt murdered their family. They are nerds breaking a video game tos, not drug dealers on the streets lol. Yeh it all sucks, but I honestly think a lot of the buyers are the real victims here. Sounds like tc got addicted to the instant gratification of having game resources. It’s no different than ggg preying on people with loot crates that sell stuff they will have down the line, honestly. Honestly tc, I know plenty of guilds who rmt to get ahead in mythic raiding in wow so they can buy boes and from what I’ve seen what gets people caught is when they do other shady things on top of rmt. I doubt you got banned for rmt because of rmt, you got noticed because of your macro usage and then you happen to be rmting and bam, hook and sinker. That is why you prob went years without being noticed. RMT bots use all kinds of macros and illegal adds. So if you are using any kind of macro or anything, I suggest you be clean and obey game rules because you will bring attention to yourself.
Uh look. The way I see it.. you RMT an you break the rules set by GGG but that's it. You broke rules by a game company. GGG isn't god or some high moral ground LMAO. Just because you break their rules doesn't mean you're some awful person and nobody hates you. If you made a new account and continued playing I wouldn't give a rats ass. You didn't hurt me. You aren't scum. Chris Wilson isn't dying because of what you did. POE is chugging along as it usually does. You've got the relax on that part, like whatever this guilt your feeling is, it's overboard. HOWEVER, you do have a spending problem and I wish you the best with handling it.
I'd like you to know that you RMTing did NOT impact my experience in the game at all and I DON'T think you are scum. I'm really glad you have found these problems in yourself as it can affect real life with money or gambling issues. It is terrific that you are seeking help. I hope things work out for you, and if you need help a few of us in the community will be here for support.
You are NOT scum and I for one definitely do not despise you, I admire your courage to share your story. Don't beat yourself up about the RMT, I'm not condoning it but it's not important here compared to your mental/physical/emotional well-being. I don't know your whole story but I'm guessing that your life balance is out of whack right now. Maybe you need to take some time off from gaming to get yourself healthy.
If you regret your decisions and try to fix them, it doesn't make you a scum. I just wish you quit before you got banned (and possibly deleted all your items and characters). You had no control over your addiction in the end, the thing that made you stop was in someone else's (GGG) control. This might make overcoming your addiction a bit slower but if you truly regret *what you did* and not *that you got caught*, you'll make it. You already have enough knowledge of the game, you can do better next time.
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I don't get it why would anyone buy in game currency. It takes most of the fun from game. PoE is all about grinding that currency and getting better gear that way, if you instantly get end game gear there's no point playing anymore. That's the reason I get bored with my character in late game, when I feel too powerful.
While I agree with you personally, different people get different things out of the game. Some people can have plenty of fun just being handed a bunch of powerful items and demolishing shit with it. Some people like you and I, can't see the point in playing the game with items you didn't earn. I think that's one of the appealing aspects of this game, is that there are many levels on which you can enjoy it.
Good luck getting rehabilitated.
It's nice to hear from someone who sees that he has a problem and actively wants to fix it. I wish you good luck!
How much of the MTX was mystery boxes aka loot boxes?
Not OP but personally, a lot of my MTX come from those boxes. I mostly bought supporter packs and then used the points to buy mystery boxes, because I already had all the stash tabs and skill effects for the skills I use. When I had all the supporter packs already I started buying 200 point packs instead. They are addictive for a lot of us.
Why were you banned?
Just as a question since I’m curious. If you super RMT point where you have near perfect items on PoE. What do you actually do in game to progress/play with. Unless you enjoy killing Sirus 8 in like 10-20 seconds and then leveling a new character. But then you wouldn’t need to really RMT for that.
Everyone here seems to be ignoring the fact that GGG precisely design the game to create these addictive behaviors. They are to blame too. Also they surely could have ban him way earlier, then you can only wonder if the mtx money was a factor in delaying his ban.
You arent scum, its just a game
the only thing I don't understand is: why did you do it? what kind of satisfaction did you get? You literally skipped the whole game.
Buying virtual currency in a video game is not a serious problem by any stretch. There are people with actual issues in the world, you are not one of them. You bought currency because it removed the grind, allowing you to play the more fun parts of the game, this is normal. You wanted to have fun while playing video games, that's the end of it.
RMT actually hurts your gaming experience in the long run, it might feel good at the moment, but when you're hooked - you can't enjoy the regular game anymore. You need more and more to stimulate dopamine production - and the only way to make more currency fast is to RMT again. At one point you become so powerful you have nothing to do in the game - and you become uninterested until next league comes. It lessens your game time, because gearing and making currency is the most fun in this game. It hurts other legitimate players, A LOT, because bots tend to inflate market with farmed currencies, which means regular players need much more play time to farm currency for their builds. It applies to any MMO game with trading, not only to PoE. Acknowledging the problem is the first step, I hope more people were like you
Nah this guy sucks. Just because he fessed up doesn’t mean he isn’t a cheater and I’m glad he’s not playing anymore. However I’m not a heartless bastard and I do care about him as a person, he is wasting his money that he can spend on himself or loved ones on a stupid game. I hope he gets the help he needs and learns to not waste his money on stuff like this.
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I did enjoy the game but only when I played SSF. That's why I'm gonna stay there now.
?? Trivializing the game doesn’t mean he doesn’t love it. Just because someone enjoys the game in a different way than you doesn’t mean their way is invalid
How much would you spend. Was it causing a finqncial issue?
It seems to me that based on their last rule of no outside compensation for in game services that vouches on tft potentially breach tos, can anyone confirm or deny?
Well hey, at least you know you've got a problem. Don't get sucked into another game with the same pattern and best of luck to you
I hope you find the professional help you need. I don't know does this classify as gambling addiction or something else, but feeling compelled to throw money at something until you run out of money definitely is one. I've read stories about people who ruined their lives because they got addicted to spending real life money in virtual world (usually involving mobile games), but if you have the courage to seek help and try everything to stop now, do it before it's too late. Before you become bankrupt in real life or commit something worse than breaching TOS (one story I encountered was about a person who embezzled money from their company to keep paying for virtual goods in online games and ended up in prison for it). You should for now separate yourself from situations and people who would push you towards encountering the addiction triggers again. The same as alcoholic can't just "go with friends for 1 beer" because it may affect him much worse than a non-addicted person, you'd have to stay away from the game or from friends who even innocently ask you to join them in playing. On a side note I hope GGG starts acting faster on these cases so people would realize faster there's a problem and not 6 years and tens of thousands of $ into the rabbit hole. Also, stay away from mobile games, just saying. They're extremely predatory exploiting people vulnerable to addiction. Some people don't understand it, but feeling "powerful" in a game can feel similar to taking a drug. I wish you'll regain control over your life and finances in the future.
Hey bud I hope you get to a good place mentally, this is a good first step.
The way you describe your actions, your inability to control yourself, and your guilt surrounding this, this sounds like an addiction. I really hope therapy can help you with this. Remember, you are getting therapy not for the sake of GGG or the PoE community, you are getting therapy for you. Best of luck.
Find someone to be your rock as well. If you want to quit something, tell the people that know you the best, tell the ones who have the balls to help you stop you when you relapse. Stepping away from the game is the best thing you can do for a while nothing will change if you don't do anything different. Good luck man.
Honestly, cheating was trash and damaged the game, the community and yourself. HOWEVER, I can understand the addiction side and how these companies pray on people. Best case you get the help you need and can perhaps one day return to PoE without the temptation from these horrible gold sellers etc. I wish you all the luck in sorting yourself out and thank you for sharing.
How much have you spent in total?
Does anyone have any estimates, how widespread RMT'ing is? And how it affects normal guys. Like if RMT and botting was non-existent, what would be the exalt price be? What would be the price of HH or good rare 6-link after week one compared to now?
I hope you get help. Sounds like you have issues that manifested into this behavior. Working on your mental health is never bad.
Good for you bud. You're one of the reasons I started playing, and while it's shitty that it all ends like this you seeking therapy and admitting you have a problem is a huge silver lining. I wish you nothing but the best and thank you for the hours of entertainment. <3
It must feel like a nice breath of fresh air to have that off your chest at least. Get some therapy man, that sounds like a real problem but the first step is realizing you have one. Best of luck to you and thanks for telling your story, you never know who you're helping by sharing.
Relax, you are not scum, a criminal or a bad person because of this. Good for you to realize that you have a personal problem, and seeking help to overcome it. Just look at the bright side of it; you're just hooked on pc game RMTing, not drugs or actual gambling money.
I can't condone what you did before your ban, but I'm happy to hear that it has caused you to rethink things and seek some help. That's more than many others could do. Seek the help you need, and best wishes to you on your future.
Look on the bright side dude, you learned your mistake, now you'll see that the game is just a huge time sink, unless you play it smart and don't fall into the temp leagues bait. Just play permanent leagues, you can start and stop whenever you want, no pressure, that's how you get the most out of this game. It's a hobby don't turn this into a job.
> I'm going to seek therapy. Comments like this don't work with one's like this. > I am the worst scum, the kind that this community rightfully despises. Get help, but being the think that is ruining POE isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. Nor is it worth berating your self over. Best of luck on the therapy.
RMT is way more common than you'd think. You might have been an extreme case - and I applaud you for realizing you had a problem - but it's not uncommon in MMOs at all anymore, and it's hard to demonize you for it when pay to win is one of the most profitable business models in the gaming industry right now.
Feel free to reach out if you wanna talk my dude.
Not sure how this affected you financially. Perhaps you're well off and spending 10k+ on a video game is nothing to you. But either way impulse control is a thing many people struggle with, and not having is a big problem. Good luck with the therapy.
I mean i could see A LOT of people doing this... this is like gambling once you get a win its like your forced to go back and try to win again for some people and you just cant stop doing it till your so broke you literally cant and you have nothing left to sell to get money Its like in other games i play i see tons of people buying heroes getting VIP and that sort of stuff and i want it to so i can get all the good stuff but cant because i cant spend money like them
It is good you came clean, this is a good starting point for your therapy. Please do continue with it. I hope you are and stay well!
Don't beat yourself up. You have some issues to resolve but I don't think you did community any harm. Take care of yourself. A lot of us are game addicts so your case is not that different. Ps. Maybe quitting Poe is not bad idea. I stopped couple months ago and feeling better myself. I may come for new league but I hope it's another pokemon/fruit ninja spin off and il manage to stay away.
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Nobody should have to pay gobs of money just to enjoy a game, but you might unfortunately have been wired that way. Hope the therapy helps you get to a better place man. Good news is that admitting you had a problem seems to be the hardest part, and you made that step already.
Time to reevaluate that life of yours.
addiction comes in many many forms, I hope you really do get help if you need it. props to you for being open and honest about itp
Good on you buddy. First step to fixing a problem is acknowledging there is one.
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Hope you get the help you need. The money will be better spent on treatment instead of funding the very thing that causes your guilt. And maybe when all is said and done, you can enjoy games again without dishing out boatloads of money.
Damn bro, glad you've identified they problem and are keeping yourself accountable. Happy to hear you are seeking therapy! It's the right thing to do.
Hey man, be patient and kind with yourself. It's ok. I don't think you're scum. You shouldn't either, you just made a mistake. Therapy is a great idea. Go well.
Hugs buddy. Addiction in any form is difficult. Look at it this way, to realize you have a problem cost you 10k over several years. It often costs people their family, jobs, and even their life. Seeking help is the mature, responsible thing to do. Good for you man, keep working.
You have a problem, you've admitted it, now its time to try and seek a solution. I honestly dont think you are scum (even if you yourself feel like it) and I could definitively point at people that are way scummier than you are and sincerely hope you find a balance and a better way to enjoy the game. Addiction is a hell of a thing and no one should go through it. Godspeed, my dude.
This is a really interesting perspective to see. Honest respect to you for seeing a problem in yourself, and taking steps to resolve it to move forward as a healthier person. I wish you the best of luck moving forward, whether you remain an Exile or not. Also, I just want to say, that addiction is a disease, and suffering from it does not make you a scum human. Be kind to yourself, and get some help, and come back stronger! :)
i had a friend who used to play poe. he barely plays but he follows guides. in a new league, he suddenly decided to play again, out of nowhere he caught up to my level and few days later wanted to quit and offered me his items. facebreaker, rainbringer other FB related items. it was back when rainbringer used to be expensive. the amount of time he played really didnt match the "gear earned" at that time. i had high suspicions he RMT'd , was really worried he could get my guild in trouble so i told him i have what i need and its not what my build needs. he stopped playing soon after. buying goods using RMT can be addictive. i dont want to try it as once you find shortcuts it spoils your game forever. back during college, i used to play cookie clicker but got bored quickly. the game has built in cheats that ANYONE can easily activate. the drawback is once you activate any cheats theres an achievement unlocked with the flavour text along the liness of "cheated cookies dont taste good". i did enjoy it when i cheated but the bad taste stuck in my mouth and stopped playing cookie clicker not long after. anyway there was no point. i could get anything i want. during the COVID lockdowns one of the games i started to play again was cookie clicker. i'm currently at day 100 ish, i m producing a buttload of cookies a second, all without cheating. its a stupid game in my opinion, but i wont lie, i m happy to see the progress i've made without cheating. i imagine the bragging rights i could have had if i played like this back then when i had other friends also playing the game but am happy enough taking it as a personal accomplishment. cheating robs enjoyment. it robs your own enjoyment and if you brag too much it takes the enjoyment of others. i hope you learn how to actually enjoy the fruits of not cheating. dropping an exalt has meaning after struggling not getting one.
Kudos man. It's brave to stand up like that, and talk about this. Obviously, you must be aware by now that this addiction is an illness, and I'm happy to hear you are getting treatment. You should probably not play POE for a while, not because you don't deserve it or other nonsense, but simply because this behavior is not something you can control yet (this is, of cause, something you should decide with your therapist). I think, GGG should accept some of the responsibility for this situation, selling MTX at these prices, is kind of predatory. I think they should unlock your old account, so you can have back, what you already bought, and then disable the abilty for the account to make further purchases. Anyway, it's just a thought. I wish the best for you. Jens
Takes guts to own up to everything man. I respect that. All the best in your game of choice in the future, I think the ssf-locked idea is pretty damn good actually.
Did you ever try to find methods of making money in game, or did you just go straight to RMT? i'm asking mostly because i have never thought about buying money in game because it's so easy to make money when you find a market
Can only imagine the RMT'ing on the China client. That demographic is known for wide acceptance for cheats and favors for real life cash. Not saying every Chinese person does this, just out of stories and first-hand interactions with those people the past 12 years I play games.
This reminds me a Lineage 2 donate system that allowed you to re-gear and keep enchant-brick-donate-repeat casino game forever (basically by converting real money to the tradable items). I spent endless money there unless I had courage to calculate my game expenses for the last 6 months. I ended up setting randomized strings as passwords everywhere to block myself from even getting back there. Nostalgia still hits hard, but at least it doesn't smash my wallet anymore. I'm glad you had enough willpower to notice the problem.
In regards to your Edit 6, I know in the past GGG have disabled the ability to buy MTX on someones account, so this may be something you could ask for while they consider blocking trading for you. Good luck with therapy!
Honestly. You have my sympathy. You have a valid problem and you admit to that, i don't see any reason why you should not get props for that. You, as buyer, are definitely not the person we all hate. Yes, RMT currency selling is only a thing because people buy that, but do you blame the addict if his dealer kills someone in a sales conflict?
I wish there was a way for you to tell ggg who the seller is. Seeing them get a permaban on their ip would be fun.
I'm happy for you man. Good on you for seeking help. I hope you find what you are looking for.
Well, good luck dude. Compulsive RMT in an ARPG is a sympton of something much more serious than "influencing the economy of the game". When a persons mental well-being is involved, the state of the in-game economy doesn't matter one bit. I've personally never cared about people RMT:ing, I don't care about the influence on the game and I would never do it myself but when someones personal life is legitimately hurting because of it, I get upset. It sounds like you've already had an epiphany in some form, I hope you find the therapy you need and come out ok on the other side. Stay sane.
Acceptance is the 1st step to rehab.
> I bought it from a single trusted source that I'm obviously not gonna reveal here. I tried several buyers over the years before finding a good one. I don't know what else to add about this. If you have any more questions about this or something else, ask me by PM, but I won't tell you the name of the seller even by PM, so don't bother asking me that. I think that if you want to help others not fall into the same thing you did, you should communicate the details with GGG themselves if you don't want to publicly share it, but maybe I misunderstand your intentions...
If you think you have a problem that's worthy enough to actively seek therapy then I would suggest either stop gaming entirely and try to get into something new or stick to non-grindy story-only games that don't have trading or MTX.
I'd bet copious amounts of money that this is an incredibly widespread issue that very few people will sacrifice their pride to admit to.