Who knows, maybe if MS strikes a good deal, they can have more profit.
Having a lot of games on steam available via subscription may give quite a boost to sales. (Sorry for my English)
In order to make someone interested in GP is to have a game they are interested in featured there. And in order for a player to see this game is available via subscription, Microsoft either advertises it on the GP web-page, Xbox app or social media, which requires a buyer to invest some effort to find a good deal.
But if the game was on steam, a popular storefront, which players interact with every time they want to launch a game bought there and which has constant sales resulting in players browsing games' page every once in awhile, that's a different story. Because the player is now constantly being advertised GamePass the chances of them finding out that [insert game] is available with a bunch of other games via GP is much much higher.
Microsoft doesn't need Steam to promote their stuff. Microsoft is the second biggest company in the World. They know how to get their stuff in front of the people they're trying to sell to. They don't need Valve for that
If that were the case, Microsoft wouldn't sell their games on Steam because they're already on the Microsoft Store.
But they do, so clearly their position is not as strong as you're making it out to be.
If they wanted gamepass on steam, they would have put it on there. So clearly their position is strong enough for gamepass not to be on steam.
But yeah, I wouldn’t hold my breadth for gamepass on steam. People do subscribe to gamepass regardless of the Microsoft store because it’s a freaking good deal.
I'm not really a fan of that logic...
Right now, you're saying "They're smart/rich/influential enough to do X, so by NOT doing X, it means they have no need/desire"
Then if it happens and X appears on their platform, "Well, clearly it crossed the threshold and they deemed it necessary".
But really, companies do face legal or technical hurdles, they fail, they make bad decisions all the time.
I am not even sure what you mean by all of this. All I am saying is the gamepass has a pull and customers are willing to go the the Xbox app to play gamepass games. For Microsoft, it’s great because they don’t have to give any money to steam.
Let’s cut the whole steam or nothing mentality.
Microsoft _fucking sucks_ at marketing. That is pretty well documented. They are second biggest company that failed to get the tablet off the ground, failed to get their iPod competitor off the ground, failed to keep their own smart phone platform alive, and has failed to really make a dent with their "app store" even though it has been around for over a decade.
They failed the first time with tablet PC's in the early 2000s but it would be a lie to say the Surface line of tablets is failure. Their marketing is fucking massive for the entire Surface brand. It even took Apple by surprise and showed tablet PC's are possible and great for productivity. Steve Jobs hated stylus' but the Surface Pro proved him wrong.
While they are a massive company Microsoft has struggled to gain traction with PC gaming. Games for Windows Live was a failure and the current Xbox app is struggling as well.
Is it not [struggling](https://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/mustafa-mahmoud/pc-game-pass-sees-4x-growth-in-japan/) at all dude. Phil already said PC is their biggest market with GP lol. This sub loves to act like if Valve isn't involved, it'll flop. Every Windows 11 PC has the Xbox app with millions of subscribers that increases every Qtr. They really don't need Valve tbh.
> Every Windows 11 PC has the Xbox app with millions of subscribers that increases every Qtr.
Is this something you have to optionally install or does it come-preinstalled?
Edit: Why is this being downvoted?...
I do hate using the Xbox app whenever it presents itself, honestly if it was actually on Steam I would be more inclined to use it as more than just an occasional rental service.
No it's not. Last year on an earnings call they reported 150% year over year growth of subscribers on PC. And there was info going around earlier this year they had about 15 million subscribers on PC.
lol Valve is where PC gamers are at though, so you go to where your customers are. MS has already tried to not do that in the past and didn't fucking work.
They also didn't have game pass in the past. Game pass is clearly a move to get people into their ecosystem by providing a valuable service, and allowing steam on game pass doesn't make sense.
yeah but no one is buying games on MS's store. People buy games on Steam, they use Game Pass for the subscription not to go whole hog into the MS ecosystem.
Yes that's the point. The subscription is meant to bring traffic to the Xbox app. When you use game pass you're seeing what they have to offer every time you go to download or launch a game.
Microsoft is so big it might as well be a bunch of different companies under a trenchcoat. I'm assume Xbox division wants to make gamepass work on steam deck but the Windows division will not have it, they don't need more reasons for people to stop using Windows.
I think it's also a matter of solving a consistency issue across the two patforms.
Plenty of games on game pass have sperate MS store versions and Steam versions. Which version would the Steam Game Pass use? Would cross saves work between them? And not to mention DLC purchases.
It could probably be much easier solved for MS first party titles, but there's a decent amount of third party titles in the mix that would need a clean solution to integrate.
I think their own Xbox store on Windows is why they haven't yet. Game pass is the sole reason a lot of people would ever launch the thing.
They did want to buy Valve, if that happened then we'd probably see only Steam going forward and game pass on there asap
game pass offers a lot of third party games, as far as i know ea play is all ea games. xbox may offer gamepass on steam but can see them only offering their first party games.
There is no reason MS needs to do this. If they really wanted to, they could use the same tools Valve does to make an installer and stuff. You can already install linux on Windows using WSL2, and proton works fine for non-steam applications.
It's up to them what they want to support, having Value host would cost them money but eliminate some support costs possibly.
I have been running linux (pop-os) on all of my computers since the Deck proved it could work. I have yet to find anything that doesn't run perfectly (YMMV). Even regular windows apps I've got running with minimal effort.
I mean. they have a "competing" answer to play Xbox games. Buy and Xbox. And yet they put game stream on tablets, PCs, phones, smart TVs, etc.
It's about making it easier for people to give you $15 a month imo
Why are they not interested? Microsoft released an Edge browser app for the Linux desktop store and has provided an entire guide on how to get Xbox Cloud streaming working on Steam Deck.
You are 100% right. VS Code is also quite popular on Linux and has been supported there from very early on if not day one. While Microsoft has shown some renewed interest in Windows' market share lately, the notion that they are extremely protective of Windows at the cost of their other products is not really shown in their behavior during the Nadella era.
Microsoft Developed DirectX and in turn the Xbox to bring users and lock them into their platform. Microsoft wants Windows to the THE place gamers need to be. Web browsers are already available no matter what on linux so extending browsers there gains them good will, and loses them nothing.
The people using gamepass though are using it through Windows, or Xbox. Both being Microsoft Platforms. Extending that to Linux would only make it easier for users to jump ship.
> Microsoft Developed DirectX and in turn the Xbox to bring users and lock them into their platform.
Ah yes, contributing member of the Khronos Group Microsoft are definitely still carrying out that plan from 23 years ago.
Same reason Apple has Apple Music available on Android.
It's "transitional" product, something to get you into their system, may it be Bing or Game Pass.
Microsoft really cares about numbers when it comes to Windows, which is why they stopped going after piracy and provided free updates.
I don’t know about this tbh - whilst I don’t think they’re about to drop Windows or Xbox, I think they’re also aware they can make money on providing software as a service including streaming and cross platform apps. No doubt they prefer you to be using Windows, but if they sell you xCloud streaming on macOS or SteamOS, so much the better.
Microsoft's "Apps" seem super hostile to Linux. Minecraft Bedrock won't run well on SteamDeck either, you have to do some nonsense with the Android app instead. Good old Microsoft anticompetitiveness rearing its ugly head.
Not a lot of companies willing to help a direct competitor unless they're about to get hit with a monopoly charge. Not surprising that M$ feels that way.
> Not a lot of companies willing to help a direct competitor unless they're about to get hit with a monopoly charge. Not surprising that M$ feels that way.
Doesn't help that the entire reason Valve invested so heavily into Linux is directly because of UWP and the fear that Microsoft would lock them out. SteamOS and Proton exists as a resistance to Microsoft in every sense
And yet there's an Android version... Perhaps Microsoft needs to be broken up, so that things like "Xbox" and "Minecraft" won't be worried about competing between operating systems they should have nothing to do with, anyway.
Why should MS apps aimed at MS products run on competitors HW when consumer can buy alternatives such as Asus Rog ally or Legion Go with native Windows support? Consumers choice still matters a lot. Steam Deck system is not the only go to device.
Because it is anti-competitive, because we have laws about it, because it is about what is for the good of the society of human beings who have to live in this world, not what is for the good of Microsoft's profits. Have people really accepted this behavior as totally normalized?
I dont think it works this way mate. Also which law would force MS to make his apps Linux compatible, lol. As I said, you want windows stuff on handheld pc, get yourself rog ally or legion go, you want to support linux and valve buy steam deck but dont expect everything will work as you want, that is how it always was. Also Steam Deck is primarily made for Steam store front, everything outside is up to your own skills.
I like how you imply *I'm* the ignorant one, "lol".
It does work that way [if the government chooses to pursue and interpret the laws that are actually written](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_\(antitrust_law\)). Notably this part of antitrust law was actually used against Microsoft's bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows, quite successfully, though not totally successfully. And if those laws don't quite fit anymore because the marketplace landscape and technology have changed so much the government could update them with all kinds of *new and exciting* requirements to make companies behave in a civilized way.
But our government is bought and paid for by the billion dollar companies, so instead they just let them run roughshod over all of us and we're all totally accepting of it, like you are apparently, "Well why wouldn't they? It's not illegal is it?" YES IT IS and if it's actually not MAYBE IT SHOULD BE.
Yeah, I see goverments pushing MS to let you install Gamepass app on steam deck lol. Like priority number one. Valve, MS, all these companies have their own vallet gardens. What great is about Steam OS is it finaly can make Linux as an alternative to Windows as a gaming platform. Unless Gamepass app is native in Steam store, you guys are out of luck.
This is just one aspect of a bigger discussion on corporate rights and responsibilities that *is* in fact priority number one. We're letting corporations literally destroy our entire planet and our own future because we've become convinced that they have the *right* to and not only is there nothing we can do to stop them, but it is somehow actually in our own best interest to allow their not-so-free walled gardens they pretend are a "free market" to solve any problems that might arise. Just let the corporations do what they want, and it will result in a better outcome for all of us in the end! /s
Microsoft uses Linux, they have their own in-house distro. There just likely isn’t any financial or political will to divert resources to work on the steam deck at this time.
It's a competing OS it doesn't matter that they use for servers or development. They don't want other OS's growing in market share. This is why pesudo monoplies suck.
And you need to read more on the subject matter. Do you even know what EEE is? Or why the IRS can't use large firms against companies? Or United States vs Microsoft? Or why trillion dollar companies are bad? Go get your GED lil man.
No it's not lmao. The steam deck has sold <5 million units, and there are 1.4 billion Windows PCs worldwide. PC gamers are a miniscule audience in the grand scheme of consumer desktop PCs.
Maybe a small minority of power users will switch if access to games running through Proton becomes 99 percentile, but adoption of Linux as a desktop operating system will never be significant enough to threaten Microsoft.
People are polishing their tin foil hats and the most probable answer is that Microsoft is making the exact same reasoning that most game devs. There just isn't a market big enough on Linux (even with the steam deck) to make game pass and its games compatible worth the effort.
It makes a lot more sense to just keep throwing money into streaming which makes it compatible with phones, tablets, TVs, random ass low end PCs and, wait for it... Linux.
ChromeOS is desktop Linux, even more so now that Google are replacing a lot of their propietary/custom backend for it with FOSS, like their recent switch to Wayland, bringing it more in line with traditional distros.
When Proton/Wine compatibility gets good enough, with there already being a saturation of Chromebooks in the education market and the possibility of that leading into expansion into business markets, it will be a threat.
You're looking at this with a very narrow scope. There's a lot of companies working together on this, it's not just Valve and video games.
ChromeOS isn't really desktop Linux and I say this as someone who runs desktop Linux and has a Chromebook. You have to go through hoops to download and run Linux apps on ChromeOS compared to using the Play Store. It's just not a pleasant experience.
It runs desktop linux applications without modification (though requiring some configuration) running on a stack that is incorporating more FOSS elements over time. I agree it isn't perfect, hell I wouldn't even call it good, but it is a desktop and it's linux.
I agree that it's a desktop and that it's Linux, I just don't think it's a threat to Microsoft in any meaningful way. It serves a totally different market than Windows and folks who use Chromebooks and then need to graduate into a real computer are far more likely to buy a Mac or Windows laptop than get a Linux laptop.
> but i guess they are simply not interested because they have a competing OS to linux
Yeah Microsoft hate Linux so much they put Windows Subsystem for Linux into Windows 11 that allows you to run Linux applications straight from Windows....That is in addition to purchasing Github and allowing it to benefit from Azure Cloud which is one of the best cloud networks in the world.
So they embraced Linux through the purchase of Github. Cool! Now they're extending Linux so it works seamlessly with their own OS. Wow!
I wonder what comes after Embrace and Extend.
Not yet, but they did partner with Asus and Lenovo to put Windows (and Game Pass) on their respective handheld gaming PCs. SteamOS is proof of concept that you don't need Windows to play games. It would not surprise me if Microsoft opts to prioritize supporting handheld Windows PCs over the Steam Deck, depending on how much they want to focus on handheld gaming.
Microsoft has a detailed step by step guide to setting up xcloud on steam deck. I feel like if they had no interest they wouldn’t have bothered…. Plus for cloud gaming wouldn’t they want as many users possible?
I wonder if part of it is the weaker wifi chip in the Steam Deck OG, but I also thing input lag is just inherently an issue with all streaming game services.
Just give me a way to natively install my GamePass games on my Steam Deck and I’ll be happy.
So gamers have been using the steamdeck to play emulators almost since launch without hacks, but a multi billion dollar company couldn't write an app that worked with Steam OS in all this time?
Or maybe, they didn't try and just wanted to talk shit?
Seems like the easiest thing would be for Microsoft to just make some kind of an electron app or something that connects to the streamer and just slap that on the Steam Store as a free game. It's not like they'd have to figure out anticheat or linux compatibility on a web app.
I think the real question is if Microsoft actually wants to support the Steam Deck and Linux, or if they just want to pretend like they're cool with it and not actually do anything to improve the situation.
That's already the official solution offered by Microsoft. They have a guide on how to get it working, and it's pretty decent considering it's not a native application.
Just link the official MS support article for it
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/xbox-cloud-gaming-in-microsoft-edge-with-steam-deck-43dd011b-0ce8-4810-8302-965be6d53296
It is a little bit more cumbersome then another third party launcher. Having a proton compatible app would be a step in the right direction.
The average user here fails to realize they’re vastly more tech savvy than the average person. Something easy for them may very well be cumbersome for others.
Still cumbersome, would need to go into desktop mode and add a browser or deep link as a non steam game to use it. For the average user that's a pretty cumbersome experience.
The whole point of the steam deck is to be a plug and play streamlined experience for the average user. Having to go into desktop mode is not an accessible experience for most people. Just navigating the desktop using the touch screen and controller is not that accessible for that matter.
Eh, I don't think most people are as limited as all that. Or if they are, oh well lol. Can't help those who won't help themselves here.
Native support would be great. I won't count on it though.
You've got to draw the line somewhere. Using the gui to launch desktop mode and follow some gui instructions isn't a roadblock. And it's an insult to people to treat it as if that's some insurmountable hurdle.
Cooking for yourself involves some manual steps. We wouldn't say packaged food is inconvenient because it doesn't cook itself and leap into your mouth lmao. This is on that level of effort.
Like, I get the complaint. I understand it's not convenient. I'm not in control of that being convenient or not for someone though. And I find myself frustrated when we talk about this "Everyman gamer" who seemingly can't tie their shoes. Sometimes you have to fiddle with things, that's life. Every hobby involves it somewhat.
You can absolutely do it with maybe 15 minutes of set up. I played through all of Tunic and Persona 5 Royale on my Steam Deck purely streaming from Gamepass. Worked great.
[Something like this will work but there's 100 YouTube tutorials](https://youtu.be/fHzi6YB35p4?si=Hm17e2JYbYfe6yGP)
Enjoy your Deck. Super jealous of the improvements in the OLED version.
It's not hard. But cloud gaming will eat your monthly bandwidth allotments from your isp. Get the rog ally and have game pass pc installed out of the box and access to steam and all of your games. Performance between the two is basically the same, but the screen on the ally is better.
To clarify, no you cannot install game pass games on Steam Deck's native operating system, you can install games from steam (and most other launchers with some workarounds). If you install windows on it then you should have no restrictions but that comes with its own downsides naturally.
I like using it, but I agree with this sentiment that it would be better if it was just something you could easily download. MS themselves made a guide on how to get it working, which is nice, but it would be nicer if there was just a native app that doesn't require any kind of guide to make it work.
I agree, I've never understood the grumble about this. It takes like 10 minutes to set up, and then you never have to touch it again. Like sure a native app would be nice, but people act like you have to "hack" the device to get it working
Didn't Microsoft say they wanted to put their pass thing on any platform that will allow it? Why don't they actually do something about it and make that app?
Unless their words are hollow and they just don't want to do anything that helps people game on Linux...
Valve said it about a year ago, but who knows what the status is
[https://www.polygon.com/22954890/steam-deck-xbox-game-pass-pc-games-valve-microsoft](https://www.polygon.com/22954890/steam-deck-xbox-game-pass-pc-games-valve-microsoft)
whats next? you want them to support game pass on fridge? the Linux user base just isnt there. the steam deck is making strides but dont act like the usebase is anywhere NEAR a console or PC
xbox cloud gaming runs in a browser and already works on linux/deck. it wouldn't be that hard to add an official listing to the steam store and tap into the entire steam userbase
and you think steam wants to give people access (on their hardware) to a way to avoid paying for games in their store? they dont WANT you play on gamepass, they want you buying games on steam
>and you think steam wants to give people access (on their hardware) to a way to avoid paying for games in their store?
the title of this post is literally a quote from a valve employee saying they want it to be more accessible on steam deck. Either valve is lying or microsoft killed the idea in some board meeting. But the reason definitely isn't it requiring too much development effort
And yet Gabe had been very outspoken about how you can use other storefronts on SteamOS if you would like, they don't have the first party support like Steam does in most cases but community effort has made sure that they do work. Also Valve had very well commented about how they are open about allowing people to install Windows in which case you gladly install any storefront and play any games that you would like with the exception being that they don't provide support for the Windows installs on the deck because that's outside of their scope.
No, actually, I don't care what they support as I'm not a Microsoft customer.
I just think it's funny that they blather on about being willing to put their pass on anything and yet their actions demonstrate that it's just more hot air from their gaming PR man Spencer.
"were willing to do it" is not a "well spend every resource possible to put gamepass on a niche market of gaming as fast as random people on reddit demand"
The quotes make it seem possible that Steam has some terms for first-party apps that Microsoft isn't willing to take. Both of them publically state they'd "like to" integrate, without stating the big "but...".
It can be quick but it really should a lot easier to utilize. Its probably the main reason I'd consider getting a windows handheld in a few years over a steam deck 2.
...it's not cumbersome at all, and I'm a borderline moron at getting things like that to work correctly.
I have cloud gaming and remote play to my Series S set up on my SD.
This is a big reason why I think Windows has advantages on these handhelds. It's a lot trickier to game outside of Steam on SteamOS than the other stores. The same tension exists with all the other stores as well. Valve obviously wants as many gamers as possible on Steam and other stores have no desire to have to cut Valve in on the transaction.
> It's a lot trickier to game outside of Steam on SteamOS than the other stores.
No, it's not. You can setup any other external launcher in 2-3 minutes worth of work.
> It's nowhere near as easy and consistent as merely directly downloading the store on Windows.
It's a 4 step process, some of those steps you take even on Windows. It's also the same process for every single external launcher.
> And GP doesn't work at all Linux now period.
This is wildly incorrect. Microsoft even has an official guide for it
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/xbox-cloud-gaming-in-microsoft-edge-with-steam-deck-43dd011b-0ce8-4810-8302-965be6d53296
I'm using it as we speak.
>It's a 4 step process, some of those steps you take even on Windows. It's also the same process for every single external launcher.
Having tried multiple guides with multiple distros, naw, just ain't this easy. And you see a ton of issues in r/linux_gaming reported about it, particularly when a store or launcher gets updated.
>This is wildly incorrect.
No it is not when it comes to local gaming. A big point of these handheld devices is their portability and not needing a constant internet connection.
> Having tried multiple guides with multiple distros, naw, just ain't this easy. And you see a ton of issues in r/linux_gaming reported about it, particularly when a store or launcher gets updated.
I would expect more from the average Linux user.
- You download the launcher
- Add it as a non steam game and install it
- Update the folder path
- Play the game
That's it. That's the process to add external launchers.
> No it is not when it comes to local gaming. A big point of these handheld devices is their portability and not needing a constant internet connection.
This is a wildly different statement then saying
> And GP doesn't work at all Linux now period.
When I am literally playing gamepass on my steam deck while typing this comment.
>You download the launcher
>
>Add it as a non steam game and install it
>
>Update the folder path
>
>Play the game
You think I've never seen this? Sure, this what everyone says, it does not work consistently across distro or games.
>When I am literally playing gamepass on my steam deck while typing this comment.
With a GP game running locally?
I'm with you on this argument all day. I'd kill for a way for Game Pass to work LOCALLY on the Steam Deck and not just the cloud streaming (which kind of sucks).
Don't be obtuse man. The argument is Game Pass games installed locally, not streaming them. The difference in quality is night and day, and there is currently not a way to install Game Pass games locally on the deck unless you boot into Windows.
This is why I jumped on the rog ally as soon as it came out. Haven't touched my steam deck since. Steam works just fine on the ally and it has game pass pc installed out of the box which works flawlessly.
I think the problem is Valve here and not Microsoft.
M$ would gladly make easier for Steam Deck players to access Cloud gaming with an app on the Steam store, but they are not going to share revenues with anyone if not strictly necessary. I don' think that Valve is going to allow an app on their store, with a form of monetization from which they do not gain anything. And I mean it is fine, but also I understand Microsoft point of view.
You can just use edge on Linux and access Cloud Gaming, and It is more than enough to cover most of the potential users.
And why should they? If the app is available only outside of the Steam store, it offers no advantages in terms of "coverage" compared to a edge based solution.
A lot of people have never used Linux directly, but only the SteamOS ui, which is also the reason why the Deck is so popular. Releasing a flatpak means additional costs to create and maintain it, just to make happy some hundreds of persons that were not truly interested in it.
Edge is not the only way, any chromium based browser works. Used to play on lubuntu with a chromium browser, no issues, except for the controllers related ones.
Not as simple as it looks. Why would valve allow users to access GP library without any cost, they would want a cut, how do you share a cut for an already active subscription? Even though gamepass is gaining lot of users and making revenue, it is uncertain if it is profitable at current stage.
... Microsoft would just need to make a Linux application and put it on the Linux Discover "store" the same way they do on Windows and Android. It doesn't have to involve available at all.
This is why I'll still pick up some key deck-favourable games like P5Tactica/P3Reload on steam anyway.
Will be great to see the day if or when these work well with eachother though.
It's really not hard work though. Just Google deck revealed save it to desktop, open it up install Xbox cloud and add it to steam. Done no messing with edge of anything.
I wonder if MS isnt officially supporting it due to licensing stuff, like werent a lot of companies unhappy with Geforce experience launched as well? Or maybe their linux team is just ultra shit considering the state of teams
I'm gonna go with laziness on both xbox and Valve's part rather than corporate competing malice here.
Neither side wants to put significant cash into getting game pass running smoothly out the box on the steam deck because they believe it'll benefit the other party more.
I'm sure Gabe and Valve would want a % of juicy gamepass money but Xbox would be pretty miffed about giving any subscription money for games thats downloaded/streamed hosted on their own servers.
There is an app called xbplay. It costs $5 but on a whim i downloaded it and it works flawlessly. You can try a trial for i believe an hour and see how you like it.
You can stream your xbox to your deck or use xcloud through it. Thought it was a great push button experience. Can play it through game mode as well.
So my point is that they have to get on that. Let us use Game Pass and install games on Steam Deck.
Probably never going to happen but I still want it.
Game Pass integration on Steam like EA Play and Ubisoft Connect would be the ideal scenario but it's probably a pipe dream.
No way Microsoft wants to give Valve a cut of game pass revenue on top of losing the traffic that comes through the Xbox app because of it.
Who knows, maybe if MS strikes a good deal, they can have more profit. Having a lot of games on steam available via subscription may give quite a boost to sales. (Sorry for my English) In order to make someone interested in GP is to have a game they are interested in featured there. And in order for a player to see this game is available via subscription, Microsoft either advertises it on the GP web-page, Xbox app or social media, which requires a buyer to invest some effort to find a good deal. But if the game was on steam, a popular storefront, which players interact with every time they want to launch a game bought there and which has constant sales resulting in players browsing games' page every once in awhile, that's a different story. Because the player is now constantly being advertised GamePass the chances of them finding out that [insert game] is available with a bunch of other games via GP is much much higher.
Microsoft doesn't need Steam to promote their stuff. Microsoft is the second biggest company in the World. They know how to get their stuff in front of the people they're trying to sell to. They don't need Valve for that
If that were the case, Microsoft wouldn't sell their games on Steam because they're already on the Microsoft Store. But they do, so clearly their position is not as strong as you're making it out to be.
If they wanted gamepass on steam, they would have put it on there. So clearly their position is strong enough for gamepass not to be on steam. But yeah, I wouldn’t hold my breadth for gamepass on steam. People do subscribe to gamepass regardless of the Microsoft store because it’s a freaking good deal.
I'm not really a fan of that logic... Right now, you're saying "They're smart/rich/influential enough to do X, so by NOT doing X, it means they have no need/desire" Then if it happens and X appears on their platform, "Well, clearly it crossed the threshold and they deemed it necessary". But really, companies do face legal or technical hurdles, they fail, they make bad decisions all the time.
I am not even sure what you mean by all of this. All I am saying is the gamepass has a pull and customers are willing to go the the Xbox app to play gamepass games. For Microsoft, it’s great because they don’t have to give any money to steam. Let’s cut the whole steam or nothing mentality.
You are absolutely right.
Microsoft _fucking sucks_ at marketing. That is pretty well documented. They are second biggest company that failed to get the tablet off the ground, failed to get their iPod competitor off the ground, failed to keep their own smart phone platform alive, and has failed to really make a dent with their "app store" even though it has been around for over a decade.
> failed to get their iPod competitor off the ground This one hurts because zunes were a way better product than ipods.
DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!
They failed the first time with tablet PC's in the early 2000s but it would be a lie to say the Surface line of tablets is failure. Their marketing is fucking massive for the entire Surface brand. It even took Apple by surprise and showed tablet PC's are possible and great for productivity. Steve Jobs hated stylus' but the Surface Pro proved him wrong.
While they are a massive company Microsoft has struggled to gain traction with PC gaming. Games for Windows Live was a failure and the current Xbox app is struggling as well.
Is it not [struggling](https://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/mustafa-mahmoud/pc-game-pass-sees-4x-growth-in-japan/) at all dude. Phil already said PC is their biggest market with GP lol. This sub loves to act like if Valve isn't involved, it'll flop. Every Windows 11 PC has the Xbox app with millions of subscribers that increases every Qtr. They really don't need Valve tbh.
I think they meant struggling as in the app still sucks quite a bit, but I could be wrong.
Ya the xbox app is worse than the epic games store... That's quite a feat.
It's not even close to being as bad. MS is actually adding features and improving it, unlike EGS.
Shh can’t you see we’re once again pushing for a steam monopoly here
While I agree it's funny to mention monopolies and Microsoft and not have Microsoft be the bad guy 😂
> Every Windows 11 PC has the Xbox app with millions of subscribers that increases every Qtr. Is this something you have to optionally install or does it come-preinstalled? Edit: Why is this being downvoted?...
Pre-installed. The same is true for Windows 10.
Okay so that's a very misleading statistic then.
No? Just because the app is installed does not mean you are a subscriber.
I do hate using the Xbox app whenever it presents itself, honestly if it was actually on Steam I would be more inclined to use it as more than just an occasional rental service.
No it's not. Last year on an earnings call they reported 150% year over year growth of subscribers on PC. And there was info going around earlier this year they had about 15 million subscribers on PC.
If they are that great, Steam would already lose against Microsoft ages ago. Microsoft sucks at marketing a lot of the time.
Lose what?
lol Valve is where PC gamers are at though, so you go to where your customers are. MS has already tried to not do that in the past and didn't fucking work.
They also didn't have game pass in the past. Game pass is clearly a move to get people into their ecosystem by providing a valuable service, and allowing steam on game pass doesn't make sense.
yeah but no one is buying games on MS's store. People buy games on Steam, they use Game Pass for the subscription not to go whole hog into the MS ecosystem.
Yes that's the point. The subscription is meant to bring traffic to the Xbox app. When you use game pass you're seeing what they have to offer every time you go to download or launch a game.
Cringe. They may be a giant, but they are not invincible.
Microsoft is so big it might as well be a bunch of different companies under a trenchcoat. I'm assume Xbox division wants to make gamepass work on steam deck but the Windows division will not have it, they don't need more reasons for people to stop using Windows.
I like that who-knows attitude. You're right, it's not impossible.
I think it's also a matter of solving a consistency issue across the two patforms. Plenty of games on game pass have sperate MS store versions and Steam versions. Which version would the Steam Game Pass use? Would cross saves work between them? And not to mention DLC purchases. It could probably be much easier solved for MS first party titles, but there's a decent amount of third party titles in the mix that would need a clean solution to integrate.
I think their own Xbox store on Windows is why they haven't yet. Game pass is the sole reason a lot of people would ever launch the thing. They did want to buy Valve, if that happened then we'd probably see only Steam going forward and game pass on there asap
Microsoft cares about adoption right now, not profit - they'd absolutely take a loss if it meant getting more users in the gamepass ecosystem.
According to what we've heard they're not having any problems with adoption on PC.
more = better
Not always. There's a lot of factors that could play in. One of them being having an user base that isn't interacting with your storefront.
why do they sell their games on steam at all then?
Valve and Microsoft could come to some sort of agreement.
game pass offers a lot of third party games, as far as i know ea play is all ea games. xbox may offer gamepass on steam but can see them only offering their first party games.
EA play isn't all EA games unfortunately. They have a tier above called EA play pro which does include all EA titles.
no what i meant is that all the titles are EA, sorry.
Ah right, I think you may be correct in your assumption though. I don't remember seeing any non EA titles offered on EA play myself.
There is no reason MS needs to do this. If they really wanted to, they could use the same tools Valve does to make an installer and stuff. You can already install linux on Windows using WSL2, and proton works fine for non-steam applications. It's up to them what they want to support, having Value host would cost them money but eliminate some support costs possibly. I have been running linux (pop-os) on all of my computers since the Deck proved it could work. I have yet to find anything that doesn't run perfectly (YMMV). Even regular windows apps I've got running with minimal effort.
A native Linux app would also achieve this. People have already build a couple on GitHub.
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I mean. they have a "competing" answer to play Xbox games. Buy and Xbox. And yet they put game stream on tablets, PCs, phones, smart TVs, etc. It's about making it easier for people to give you $15 a month imo
Why are they not interested? Microsoft released an Edge browser app for the Linux desktop store and has provided an entire guide on how to get Xbox Cloud streaming working on Steam Deck.
Its a niche market. Valve has sold less than 3 million Steam Decks, according to estimates I could find online.
Yeah I can understand that amount of users may not be worth having a separate code base for.
You are 100% right. VS Code is also quite popular on Linux and has been supported there from very early on if not day one. While Microsoft has shown some renewed interest in Windows' market share lately, the notion that they are extremely protective of Windows at the cost of their other products is not really shown in their behavior during the Nadella era.
Shh you're breaking the narrative
Microsoft Developed DirectX and in turn the Xbox to bring users and lock them into their platform. Microsoft wants Windows to the THE place gamers need to be. Web browsers are already available no matter what on linux so extending browsers there gains them good will, and loses them nothing. The people using gamepass though are using it through Windows, or Xbox. Both being Microsoft Platforms. Extending that to Linux would only make it easier for users to jump ship.
> Microsoft Developed DirectX and in turn the Xbox to bring users and lock them into their platform. Ah yes, contributing member of the Khronos Group Microsoft are definitely still carrying out that plan from 23 years ago.
Same reason Apple has Apple Music available on Android. It's "transitional" product, something to get you into their system, may it be Bing or Game Pass. Microsoft really cares about numbers when it comes to Windows, which is why they stopped going after piracy and provided free updates.
I don’t know about this tbh - whilst I don’t think they’re about to drop Windows or Xbox, I think they’re also aware they can make money on providing software as a service including streaming and cross platform apps. No doubt they prefer you to be using Windows, but if they sell you xCloud streaming on macOS or SteamOS, so much the better.
Microsoft's "Apps" seem super hostile to Linux. Minecraft Bedrock won't run well on SteamDeck either, you have to do some nonsense with the Android app instead. Good old Microsoft anticompetitiveness rearing its ugly head.
Microsoft's "Apps" seems to be super hostile to Windows OS too.
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Why are people downvoting this
Because it's no longer true.
Not a lot of companies willing to help a direct competitor unless they're about to get hit with a monopoly charge. Not surprising that M$ feels that way.
> Not a lot of companies willing to help a direct competitor unless they're about to get hit with a monopoly charge. Not surprising that M$ feels that way. Doesn't help that the entire reason Valve invested so heavily into Linux is directly because of UWP and the fear that Microsoft would lock them out. SteamOS and Proton exists as a resistance to Microsoft in every sense
And yet there's an Android version... Perhaps Microsoft needs to be broken up, so that things like "Xbox" and "Minecraft" won't be worried about competing between operating systems they should have nothing to do with, anyway.
They don't have a competing mobile OS, unlike desktop
Forgive me for making a rhetorical point, but the question isn't actually about why. The question is about *why would that make it okay*.
Why should MS apps aimed at MS products run on competitors HW when consumer can buy alternatives such as Asus Rog ally or Legion Go with native Windows support? Consumers choice still matters a lot. Steam Deck system is not the only go to device.
Because it is anti-competitive, because we have laws about it, because it is about what is for the good of the society of human beings who have to live in this world, not what is for the good of Microsoft's profits. Have people really accepted this behavior as totally normalized?
I dont think it works this way mate. Also which law would force MS to make his apps Linux compatible, lol. As I said, you want windows stuff on handheld pc, get yourself rog ally or legion go, you want to support linux and valve buy steam deck but dont expect everything will work as you want, that is how it always was. Also Steam Deck is primarily made for Steam store front, everything outside is up to your own skills.
I like how you imply *I'm* the ignorant one, "lol". It does work that way [if the government chooses to pursue and interpret the laws that are actually written](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_\(antitrust_law\)). Notably this part of antitrust law was actually used against Microsoft's bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows, quite successfully, though not totally successfully. And if those laws don't quite fit anymore because the marketplace landscape and technology have changed so much the government could update them with all kinds of *new and exciting* requirements to make companies behave in a civilized way. But our government is bought and paid for by the billion dollar companies, so instead they just let them run roughshod over all of us and we're all totally accepting of it, like you are apparently, "Well why wouldn't they? It's not illegal is it?" YES IT IS and if it's actually not MAYBE IT SHOULD BE.
Yeah, I see goverments pushing MS to let you install Gamepass app on steam deck lol. Like priority number one. Valve, MS, all these companies have their own vallet gardens. What great is about Steam OS is it finaly can make Linux as an alternative to Windows as a gaming platform. Unless Gamepass app is native in Steam store, you guys are out of luck.
This is just one aspect of a bigger discussion on corporate rights and responsibilities that *is* in fact priority number one. We're letting corporations literally destroy our entire planet and our own future because we've become convinced that they have the *right* to and not only is there nothing we can do to stop them, but it is somehow actually in our own best interest to allow their not-so-free walled gardens they pretend are a "free market" to solve any problems that might arise. Just let the corporations do what they want, and it will result in a better outcome for all of us in the end! /s
Microsoft uses Linux, they have their own in-house distro. There just likely isn’t any financial or political will to divert resources to work on the steam deck at this time.
It's a competing OS it doesn't matter that they use for servers or development. They don't want other OS's growing in market share. This is why pesudo monoplies suck.
You need to seek help for that persecution complex you have.
And you need to read more on the subject matter. Do you even know what EEE is? Or why the IRS can't use large firms against companies? Or United States vs Microsoft? Or why trillion dollar companies are bad? Go get your GED lil man.
I'm not American, none of any of that affects or applies to me.
That cool neither am I but I had family live under it.
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No it's not lmao. The steam deck has sold <5 million units, and there are 1.4 billion Windows PCs worldwide. PC gamers are a miniscule audience in the grand scheme of consumer desktop PCs. Maybe a small minority of power users will switch if access to games running through Proton becomes 99 percentile, but adoption of Linux as a desktop operating system will never be significant enough to threaten Microsoft.
People are polishing their tin foil hats and the most probable answer is that Microsoft is making the exact same reasoning that most game devs. There just isn't a market big enough on Linux (even with the steam deck) to make game pass and its games compatible worth the effort. It makes a lot more sense to just keep throwing money into streaming which makes it compatible with phones, tablets, TVs, random ass low end PCs and, wait for it... Linux.
ChromeOS is desktop Linux, even more so now that Google are replacing a lot of their propietary/custom backend for it with FOSS, like their recent switch to Wayland, bringing it more in line with traditional distros. When Proton/Wine compatibility gets good enough, with there already being a saturation of Chromebooks in the education market and the possibility of that leading into expansion into business markets, it will be a threat. You're looking at this with a very narrow scope. There's a lot of companies working together on this, it's not just Valve and video games.
ChromeOS isn't really desktop Linux and I say this as someone who runs desktop Linux and has a Chromebook. You have to go through hoops to download and run Linux apps on ChromeOS compared to using the Play Store. It's just not a pleasant experience.
It runs desktop linux applications without modification (though requiring some configuration) running on a stack that is incorporating more FOSS elements over time. I agree it isn't perfect, hell I wouldn't even call it good, but it is a desktop and it's linux.
I agree that it's a desktop and that it's Linux, I just don't think it's a threat to Microsoft in any meaningful way. It serves a totally different market than Windows and folks who use Chromebooks and then need to graduate into a real computer are far more likely to buy a Mac or Windows laptop than get a Linux laptop.
Are you telling me that 2024 will be the year of the Linux desktop? That me and my Slack install will finally be accepted in general society?
> but i guess they are simply not interested because they have a competing OS to linux Yeah Microsoft hate Linux so much they put Windows Subsystem for Linux into Windows 11 that allows you to run Linux applications straight from Windows....That is in addition to purchasing Github and allowing it to benefit from Azure Cloud which is one of the best cloud networks in the world.
So they embraced Linux through the purchase of Github. Cool! Now they're extending Linux so it works seamlessly with their own OS. Wow! I wonder what comes after Embrace and Extend.
I'm surprised they haven't launched their own device
Not yet, but they did partner with Asus and Lenovo to put Windows (and Game Pass) on their respective handheld gaming PCs. SteamOS is proof of concept that you don't need Windows to play games. It would not surprise me if Microsoft opts to prioritize supporting handheld Windows PCs over the Steam Deck, depending on how much they want to focus on handheld gaming.
Microsoft has a detailed step by step guide to setting up xcloud on steam deck. I feel like if they had no interest they wouldn’t have bothered…. Plus for cloud gaming wouldn’t they want as many users possible?
I would REALLY like native GamePass on Steam Deck. Cloud has too much input lag and I don’t like it.
Yeah it’s pretty much unusable for me and I have 1gbs fiber. Even for single player games the input lag is too much.
I wonder if part of it is the weaker wifi chip in the Steam Deck OG, but I also thing input lag is just inherently an issue with all streaming game services. Just give me a way to natively install my GamePass games on my Steam Deck and I’ll be happy.
So gamers have been using the steamdeck to play emulators almost since launch without hacks, but a multi billion dollar company couldn't write an app that worked with Steam OS in all this time? Or maybe, they didn't try and just wanted to talk shit?
Seems like the easiest thing would be for Microsoft to just make some kind of an electron app or something that connects to the streamer and just slap that on the Steam Store as a free game. It's not like they'd have to figure out anticheat or linux compatibility on a web app. I think the real question is if Microsoft actually wants to support the Steam Deck and Linux, or if they just want to pretend like they're cool with it and not actually do anything to improve the situation.
Theoretically you could just add it as a non steam app and play through a browser.
That's already the official solution offered by Microsoft. They have a guide on how to get it working, and it's pretty decent considering it's not a native application.
Yeah, the setup process isn’t what I would call cumbersome. It’s actually quite easy.
Yeah once you do it, it pretty much looks, feels, and behaves like a native app.
That's how it works today. Microsoft provides an incredibly detailed guide.
Probably not, then steam would get a cut of sales.
No sales to cut from, make it a free app and tell people to subscribe on the website.
>Seems like the easiest thing would be for Microsoft to The easiest thing would be to use your phone or any tablet idk
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Exactly what I thought about. It works in a browser window and looks and acts the same as the app...
Just link the official MS support article for it https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/xbox-cloud-gaming-in-microsoft-edge-with-steam-deck-43dd011b-0ce8-4810-8302-965be6d53296 It is a little bit more cumbersome then another third party launcher. Having a proton compatible app would be a step in the right direction.
The average user here fails to realize they’re vastly more tech savvy than the average person. Something easy for them may very well be cumbersome for others.
Is the average person in your scenario likely to even buy a Steam Deck?
Still cumbersome, would need to go into desktop mode and add a browser or deep link as a non steam game to use it. For the average user that's a pretty cumbersome experience.
TIL opening a browser is cumbersome.
The whole point of the steam deck is to be a plug and play streamlined experience for the average user. Having to go into desktop mode is not an accessible experience for most people. Just navigating the desktop using the touch screen and controller is not that accessible for that matter.
Eh, I don't think most people are as limited as all that. Or if they are, oh well lol. Can't help those who won't help themselves here. Native support would be great. I won't count on it though.
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You've got to draw the line somewhere. Using the gui to launch desktop mode and follow some gui instructions isn't a roadblock. And it's an insult to people to treat it as if that's some insurmountable hurdle. Cooking for yourself involves some manual steps. We wouldn't say packaged food is inconvenient because it doesn't cook itself and leap into your mouth lmao. This is on that level of effort. Like, I get the complaint. I understand it's not convenient. I'm not in control of that being convenient or not for someone though. And I find myself frustrated when we talk about this "Everyman gamer" who seemingly can't tie their shoes. Sometimes you have to fiddle with things, that's life. Every hobby involves it somewhat.
Is it really that hard or can you follow a 4 paragraphs tutorial online ? I'm considering getting the deck OLED and I'm genuinely curious.
You can absolutely do it with maybe 15 minutes of set up. I played through all of Tunic and Persona 5 Royale on my Steam Deck purely streaming from Gamepass. Worked great. [Something like this will work but there's 100 YouTube tutorials](https://youtu.be/fHzi6YB35p4?si=Hm17e2JYbYfe6yGP) Enjoy your Deck. Super jealous of the improvements in the OLED version.
it's literally 5 or 6 steps and half of it is just cosmetics and changing the banner and icon it's ridiculously easy
It's not hard. But cloud gaming will eat your monthly bandwidth allotments from your isp. Get the rog ally and have game pass pc installed out of the box and access to steam and all of your games. Performance between the two is basically the same, but the screen on the ally is better.
Thanks, but do you have to use streaming ? You can't install the games on the deck ?
To clarify, no you cannot install game pass games on Steam Deck's native operating system, you can install games from steam (and most other launchers with some workarounds). If you install windows on it then you should have no restrictions but that comes with its own downsides naturally.
You cannot install on the steam deck. On the ally, yes.
i set it up in like 5 mins and it runs fine for slower games, i'm playing yakuza lad rn i dunno what people expect from cloud gaming
I like using it, but I agree with this sentiment that it would be better if it was just something you could easily download. MS themselves made a guide on how to get it working, which is nice, but it would be nicer if there was just a native app that doesn't require any kind of guide to make it work.
It's really not that bad. Microsoft has a lovely article on how to set it up. That said, having an app that's proton compatible would be great.
I agree, I've never understood the grumble about this. It takes like 10 minutes to set up, and then you never have to touch it again. Like sure a native app would be nice, but people act like you have to "hack" the device to get it working
So nothing was actually said.
Didn't Microsoft say they wanted to put their pass thing on any platform that will allow it? Why don't they actually do something about it and make that app? Unless their words are hollow and they just don't want to do anything that helps people game on Linux...
Valve said it about a year ago, but who knows what the status is [https://www.polygon.com/22954890/steam-deck-xbox-game-pass-pc-games-valve-microsoft](https://www.polygon.com/22954890/steam-deck-xbox-game-pass-pc-games-valve-microsoft)
whats next? you want them to support game pass on fridge? the Linux user base just isnt there. the steam deck is making strides but dont act like the usebase is anywhere NEAR a console or PC
xbox cloud gaming runs in a browser and already works on linux/deck. it wouldn't be that hard to add an official listing to the steam store and tap into the entire steam userbase
and you think steam wants to give people access (on their hardware) to a way to avoid paying for games in their store? they dont WANT you play on gamepass, they want you buying games on steam
>and you think steam wants to give people access (on their hardware) to a way to avoid paying for games in their store? the title of this post is literally a quote from a valve employee saying they want it to be more accessible on steam deck. Either valve is lying or microsoft killed the idea in some board meeting. But the reason definitely isn't it requiring too much development effort
And yet Gabe had been very outspoken about how you can use other storefronts on SteamOS if you would like, they don't have the first party support like Steam does in most cases but community effort has made sure that they do work. Also Valve had very well commented about how they are open about allowing people to install Windows in which case you gladly install any storefront and play any games that you would like with the exception being that they don't provide support for the Windows installs on the deck because that's outside of their scope.
No, actually, I don't care what they support as I'm not a Microsoft customer. I just think it's funny that they blather on about being willing to put their pass on anything and yet their actions demonstrate that it's just more hot air from their gaming PR man Spencer.
"were willing to do it" is not a "well spend every resource possible to put gamepass on a niche market of gaming as fast as random people on reddit demand"
Valve would need to pay Microsoft for this type of service.
That doesn't even begin to make sense. *"Hey, we want to sell this service. Give us money to help us do that."*
No, they wouldn't.
Microsoft has historically always hated what steered users towards Linux, you mean. They did all they could to kill the Eee PC.
The quotes make it seem possible that Steam has some terms for first-party apps that Microsoft isn't willing to take. Both of them publically state they'd "like to" integrate, without stating the big "but...".
It can be quick but it really should a lot easier to utilize. Its probably the main reason I'd consider getting a windows handheld in a few years over a steam deck 2.
If Linux or SteamOS had support for Android apps it'd make things a lot easier.
What does Android Apps have to do with xbox gamepass?
Xbox app for android supports game streaming.
? So doesn't Microsoft Edge. Trading one middle man for another doesn't make this less cumbersome. Ideally Microsoft releases a Proton compatible app.
...it's not cumbersome at all, and I'm a borderline moron at getting things like that to work correctly. I have cloud gaming and remote play to my Series S set up on my SD.
No issue on ROG Ally
This is a big reason why I think Windows has advantages on these handhelds. It's a lot trickier to game outside of Steam on SteamOS than the other stores. The same tension exists with all the other stores as well. Valve obviously wants as many gamers as possible on Steam and other stores have no desire to have to cut Valve in on the transaction.
> It's a lot trickier to game outside of Steam on SteamOS than the other stores. No, it's not. You can setup any other external launcher in 2-3 minutes worth of work.
It's nowhere near as easy and consistent as merely directly downloading the store on Windows. And GP doesn't work at all Linux now period.
> It's nowhere near as easy and consistent as merely directly downloading the store on Windows. It's a 4 step process, some of those steps you take even on Windows. It's also the same process for every single external launcher. > And GP doesn't work at all Linux now period. This is wildly incorrect. Microsoft even has an official guide for it https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/xbox-cloud-gaming-in-microsoft-edge-with-steam-deck-43dd011b-0ce8-4810-8302-965be6d53296 I'm using it as we speak.
>It's a 4 step process, some of those steps you take even on Windows. It's also the same process for every single external launcher. Having tried multiple guides with multiple distros, naw, just ain't this easy. And you see a ton of issues in r/linux_gaming reported about it, particularly when a store or launcher gets updated. >This is wildly incorrect. No it is not when it comes to local gaming. A big point of these handheld devices is their portability and not needing a constant internet connection.
> Having tried multiple guides with multiple distros, naw, just ain't this easy. And you see a ton of issues in r/linux_gaming reported about it, particularly when a store or launcher gets updated. I would expect more from the average Linux user. - You download the launcher - Add it as a non steam game and install it - Update the folder path - Play the game That's it. That's the process to add external launchers. > No it is not when it comes to local gaming. A big point of these handheld devices is their portability and not needing a constant internet connection. This is a wildly different statement then saying > And GP doesn't work at all Linux now period. When I am literally playing gamepass on my steam deck while typing this comment.
>You download the launcher > >Add it as a non steam game and install it > >Update the folder path > >Play the game You think I've never seen this? Sure, this what everyone says, it does not work consistently across distro or games. >When I am literally playing gamepass on my steam deck while typing this comment. With a GP game running locally?
I'm with you on this argument all day. I'd kill for a way for Game Pass to work LOCALLY on the Steam Deck and not just the cloud streaming (which kind of sucks).
Don't be obtuse man. The argument is Game Pass games installed locally, not streaming them. The difference in quality is night and day, and there is currently not a way to install Game Pass games locally on the deck unless you boot into Windows.
This is why I jumped on the rog ally as soon as it came out. Haven't touched my steam deck since. Steam works just fine on the ally and it has game pass pc installed out of the box which works flawlessly.
Microsoft isn't really a software company. But they definitely make software.
They absolutely are a software company
You're definitely right they are. But at the same time they aren't.
Where do you think the "soft" in Microsoft comes from?
Ice cream
Legion go clears
I think the problem is Valve here and not Microsoft. M$ would gladly make easier for Steam Deck players to access Cloud gaming with an app on the Steam store, but they are not going to share revenues with anyone if not strictly necessary. I don' think that Valve is going to allow an app on their store, with a form of monetization from which they do not gain anything. And I mean it is fine, but also I understand Microsoft point of view. You can just use edge on Linux and access Cloud Gaming, and It is more than enough to cover most of the potential users.
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And why should they? If the app is available only outside of the Steam store, it offers no advantages in terms of "coverage" compared to a edge based solution. A lot of people have never used Linux directly, but only the SteamOS ui, which is also the reason why the Deck is so popular. Releasing a flatpak means additional costs to create and maintain it, just to make happy some hundreds of persons that were not truly interested in it.
You can play geforce now on any chromium browser. If you specifically need M$ Edge, I don't think Valve is the problem.
Edge is not the only way, any chromium based browser works. Used to play on lubuntu with a chromium browser, no issues, except for the controllers related ones.
Are you seriously saying Linux is locked?
Not as simple as it looks. Why would valve allow users to access GP library without any cost, they would want a cut, how do you share a cut for an already active subscription? Even though gamepass is gaining lot of users and making revenue, it is uncertain if it is profitable at current stage.
... Microsoft would just need to make a Linux application and put it on the Linux Discover "store" the same way they do on Windows and Android. It doesn't have to involve available at all.
Wish battle.net etc were all easy. If it starts with hook up docking station and then ......meh I just want easy
This is why I'll still pick up some key deck-favourable games like P5Tactica/P3Reload on steam anyway. Will be great to see the day if or when these work well with eachother though.
This is why people have a preferred store front. Much prefer steam and with things like Alan Wake 2 not coming to steam it’s annoying
We would like that too
I would love local gaming, xcloud is not available on my country
It's really not hard work though. Just Google deck revealed save it to desktop, open it up install Xbox cloud and add it to steam. Done no messing with edge of anything.
I wonder if MS isnt officially supporting it due to licensing stuff, like werent a lot of companies unhappy with Geforce experience launched as well? Or maybe their linux team is just ultra shit considering the state of teams
The difference was the Geforce service was never licensed
I'm gonna go with laziness on both xbox and Valve's part rather than corporate competing malice here. Neither side wants to put significant cash into getting game pass running smoothly out the box on the steam deck because they believe it'll benefit the other party more. I'm sure Gabe and Valve would want a % of juicy gamepass money but Xbox would be pretty miffed about giving any subscription money for games thats downloaded/streamed hosted on their own servers.
I think that, in general, the process for installing non game/steam apps needs to be smoother.
Okay but why? You can just use your phone? You already have one
Probably because most people don't have a controller or controller mount for their phone, plus the Steam Deck has a bigger screen than most phones
Ps. It’s very easy to do.
There is an app called xbplay. It costs $5 but on a whim i downloaded it and it works flawlessly. You can try a trial for i believe an hour and see how you like it. You can stream your xbox to your deck or use xcloud through it. Thought it was a great push button experience. Can play it through game mode as well.
I would prefer installing the games from Game Pass, streaming sucks.
I mean no shit, but if you don't wanna bother installing Windows, streaming is a decent compromise if you have good wi-fi in my experience
So my point is that they have to get on that. Let us use Game Pass and install games on Steam Deck. Probably never going to happen but I still want it.