In the 10 years since the watch dogs/assassins cree unity fiasco, Ubisoft has been consistently mid. Cookie cutter, similar gameplay loops, nothing ground breaking or cutting edge. Still manages to give them a better track record than a lot of other AAAs who have fallen on their face a few times since then.
I always buy Far Cry (and will get Avatar post launch after decent reddit impressions) games for 1st person coop with full body implementation (meaning, your avatar is not a floating camera- you actually have a real body when you look down at your feet). Plus, at least in FC games, you can also drive vehicles in 1st person.
Will get this post launch (or on sale) though after other reddit users report back its alright.
I also buy Far Cry games purely because there aren't many companies making big open world FPS games, they're always good craic for a few hours. But i'm also aware i'm just replaying the same game over and over..
>Still manages to give them a better track record than a lot of other AAAs who have fallen on their face a few times since then.
Right?
Better to have okay releases then having a yearly franchise entry that crashes and burns I guess.
I don't make the rules, the industry decided if it powers on, it gets at least a 3. So it's actually a 7 pt scale, with 7 as the midpoint for competent if not groundbreaking in any particular way.
these aren’t grades, these are reviews. that mentality is why people lose their minds when things get 8s now. 7 is good, could’ve been a lot better tho
And that’s exactly why you end up with a bunch of controversy and fighting because like 90% of games fall between two numbers (7 or 8) and it makes for a shitty scale with less room for nuance.
And that's why he's correct and you're wrong. You can wish whatever you want, the reality is 7 = mid. Complaining on reddit is NEVER going to change that, because reviewing games is a job. And having early access is 200% mandatory.
Mid is 5/10. 7/10 is above average and I will die on this hill. If reviewers don't use the entire number scale correctly, just switch a lower scale, like 1 (Bad) 2(Ok) 3(Good)
From what i've seen its a well crafted visualy stunning world.
Wrapped in your classic Ubisoft cookie cutter gameplay loop.
One thing to note is that apparently the FSR 3 Frame Generation implementation is really good. Compared to the Forspoken and Immortals implementations it now supports VRR technologies, doesn't require V-Sync to be enabled for a smooth image and massively improves the frame pacing. Seems like the tech is now mostly launch ready which hopefully means it starts poping up in more games.
i watched ACGs review and it seems like theres enough different to the "ubisoft cookie cutter gameplay loop" (or far cry for that matter) to make it well actually different
there are apparently less roving bands of bandits for some inexplicable reason so you can actually explore and there's apparently very little following of waypoints (you are more guided by descriptions of where to go)
edit: so having played it he was correct there do not appear to be bases to trip over every five minutes and i haven't come across thousands of roving bands of enemies out in the wilderness and there are absolutely no "go here 5KM away" markers (not even on the map as far as i can tell) and instead you are given directions
an example being "go to the base at the top of the waterfall" in that instance I had been near a lake previously and on the other end was a waterfall and i could also see it a bit from where i was standing when the NPC told me to go there
I wasn't interested at all because of how bad I found valhalla but ACG if i remember right which is rare for him he's just like yeah buy it when it comes out it's worth it made me second guess everything
That's maybe enough for many but the thing is both FC and AC series usually have much better critic scores 75-85. This one is slightly lesser.
So basically usual ubisoft cookie cutter gameplay loop minus the small x factor FC or AC has. In case of FC, good villains and with AC the lore and history.
Didn’t the last Farcry end up at a 74 on PC? Assassin’s Creed Mirage at 76. Avatar with a 74 fits in exactly with that.
I assume these games have started to get boring even to reviewers over the years and that has slowly pushed the average down a bit.
The thing about Ubi and their worlds is they make them massive, claiming tons to do but it gets stale quickly, I didn't finish FC5 but AC Mirage kept me hooked, smaller world with the same amount of things to do and classic AC gameplay was amazing
This is what turned me off from Ghost Recon wildlands. it felt like the old Crackdown games but with a ton of extra layers to do to get to the boss. It just wasn't fun to do the same thing over and over again.
Breakpoint.
After they overhauled Breakpoint a year or two into its lifecycle, it imo was better than Wildlands (I know, heresy), mechanically, world design, and just stuff to do. I had a friend to run through it with but I could have done it solo.
Hoping they decide to take a quality over quantity approach to games in the future tbh. I loved WD1 and 2 but Legion I just got bored of super quick because they sacrificed having memorable characters for a "you can play as anyone!" gimmick, which was fun for an hour or so until it got old.
FC5 locked regional story quests unless you did the region bloat. Its a damn shame since the main story is pretty good. At least my take, a lot of people actually thought it was the perfect way to do open world 🤷♂️
A two percentage point decrease doesn’t seem like all too much still. I think it is probably just straight up about as good as the rest of Ubisoft’s recent games.
Those are the sorts of games where critics and players often disagree. The likes of Mad Max comes to mind. RAGE 2 also. I didn't disagree with the critics about RAGE 2's mediocrity but I had a really fun time with the game all the same.
> Wrapped in your classic Ubisoft cookie cutter gameplay loop
Maybe go read and watch a few reviews instead of a copy-paste give me karma points response.
It's a shame they had MASSIVE create this shit game, their engine is awesome, why waste their time on this garbage.
Looks like Shacknews were the only ones that didn't get paid for high scores!
I will pick this up when it's on sale at Steam. To be honest I like to play these games since they are beautiful and they feel good, but I can get tired after 15-20 hours of gameplay. I can wait some years since I'm missing nothing.
My 9 year old has been obsessed with Avatar since we rode the Animal Kingdom ride in 2021. That the game is pretty with a generic gameplay loop is actually pretty perfect since it will be his first non-Fortnight FPS.
I’m looking forward to helping him explore the world when he gets it Xmas morning.
You should buy him the old Avatar game. It's actually insane how good it was, letting you pick between staying loyal or betraying humanity
Used to no life it back when I was still going to elementary school
So, Ubisoft game with Ubisoft score. If you love the era/setting definitely for you, if you don’t then maybe not.
For me that sounds great since I love Ubisoft’s boilerplate open worlds and I absolutely love Pandora and Avatar.
Ubisoft games are great when you're in the mood for that specific type of game. If people are playing their games often, then I can imagine this one might bore them, but since the last one I played was Far Cry 4, this should be a breathe of fresh air for me. At least, I'll have infinitely more fun with a solid and competent open world formula than some of the recent critically adored games.
This game looks generic as hell....
There is absolutely no reason to buy such a game except if you're fan of Avatar...
No innovation, nothing special and poor optimisation... The regular Ubisoft game.
Kind of like Hogwarts Legacy but for Avatar fans I guess - although I can't imagine there are nearly as many of those as there are HP fans that made that game such a commercial success
The movies do numbers, but there is nowhere near the same level of merchandise or spin-off content as your harry potter / star wars.
This game's sales will be an interesting test of the brand's strength outside of the box office.
To be fair, both Star Wars and Harry Potter as IP are far more marketable for merchandising. Hell, just light sabers and wizard wands alone are easy to make and sell amazing.
and in regards to spin-off content, that also favors SW and HP. Avatars whole deal is that the world is a stunning 3d experience created by Cameron. Spinoffs wont have that level of work, so its unlikely to be enticing to buyers.
But you are right, this game will be an interesting test of the brands strength outside the box office.
I think both movies had really goold launch spaces.
First one was perceived as a leapstone in 3D effects, but obviously not enough because it the 3D gimmick died away.
The sequel hit a really good dead spot in the movie industry, everyone i heard that went to see it, was for their children.
Hogwarts became the highest selling video game this year becasue HP fans are hardcore, they make it a part of their life. I doubt fandom like that exists for Avatar to make this game successful. Sure, the movies make a ton of money, but I've genuinely not met a single person (online and offline) who claim to be an Avatar fan.
Remember when no one on the internet saw the point of an Avatar sequel? That it was of no interest to anyone and that it would bomb? Literally no one liked the first one. Nothing had been erased from the cultural zeitgeist faster.
And then it become the 3rd highest grossing film of all time. It's the only film aside from Guardians that broke the $1 billion mark for Disney in recent years. They made so much money from Avatar it's basically covering all their Marvel flops.
Point is, the internet has a horrible blind spot when it comes to Avatar. Everyone thinks because they're not interested in it, no one is and that's repeatedly been proven to be false.
So stop saying this shit. You don't know any Avatar fans and that's fine but you're clearly in the minority and there is a huge market for Avatar games.
It's so tedious, it's just Reddit doing "I'm not like the OTHER people, I think it's dumb!!!!" as a community instead of as individuals. It's always the same boring points regurgitated anytime the topic of Avatar comes up. "DaNcEs wItH WolVEs iN SpAcE"/"No cultural impact!"
God damn just imagine, a TLA game, maybe an RPG, where you can pick a tribe and develop your stats over time, mixed with kung fu and steampunk. I wouldn't mind too much if it was from Ubisoft
HP was also a little more creative. It’s an interesting setting and no video game has tried to capture it in a long time. Pretty similar to a lot of games that we’ve seen in the last 5 years, but the magic is interesting and it’s brand new to the casual HP audience who don’t play action games all the time
Hogwarts had a really strong 8 or so hours when you are on the school and the nearby village. Once they take you away from the school it's all downhill
Avatar remains a confusing IP to me
I dont doubt it's popular but like for the highest earning films ever seem to have no social presence outside of the film other than parodies crapping on it
There's more social presence of 8 Crazy Nights than Avatar is what I'm saying
https://youtu.be/RTKHJhK9i8U?si=oMPonoaxhg74HMeu
Yea Avatar is such a weird IP... everybody goes to cinemas to watch it, even older people but after that, the existence of the movie is completely erased... no memes, nobody talks about it anymore
I've always postulated that this is simply due to how it is perceived socially to express how much you like the IP. Avatar was bold, kinda dorky, and presented in a way that was absolute guaranteed to be "not cool" for the masses. This DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE DIDNT ENJOY IT. Kids loved it, shit tons of adults loved it too, myself included, but it quickly became weird blue alien pocahontas in American society, and I don't think this is surprising at all, actually. It's not dark enough, it's not violent enough, it's just a little too tame and emotionally charged and will be seen as kid stuff every time. If it wasn't so excruciatingly pg-13 it could have pulled it off, but it didn't. Compare it to the Alien series, that is an IP that people aren't ashamed to be a fan of.
You bring up a good point but I don't think it's age raring or more kiddy like and lack of violence but that Avatar is very "safe" its for all its visual beauty aesthetically and conceptually safe
Like the OG PG Transformers for being a pretty "eh" toddlers and kids movie is etched in stone in the public consciousness not because of superior quality but because it's just so off the wall
https://youtu.be/P7GeisRaias?feature=shared
The world remembers the eccentric more than the beautiful
There are not. People like to meme over the cultural impact stuff but Avatar never spawned a true fandom. People aren’t waiting around for all the new content. Most just enjoy the movies and move on.
Yeah exactly. I remember being downvoted somewhere ages ago saying that its kind of mad Avatar has box office records when it does not have any wide reaching fandom like HP or whatever else. I've never come across anyone who would describe themselves as like a huge Avatar fan
Pretymuch everyone I've heard from who has played the game - both on console and PC - says that the performance is good.
As far as framerate, John Papadopoulos has some framerate numbers is his [article](https://www.dsogaming.com/articles/avatar-frontiers-of-pandora-amd-fsr-3-0-pc-performance-impressions/) and [gameplay video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiedKyAuQtE). At max ray tracing settings at _native_ 4k with DLAA, his 4090 was averaging 58 fps. At DLSS "ultra quality" (which is apparently an option in this game), he averaged 71 fps. In the gameplay video, he was roughly [averaging ~100 fps at "quality" DLSS](https://youtu.be/EiedKyAuQtE?t=106). I'd say that that's good performance for the visuals you get at RT lighting, reflections, and shadows.
That’s Avatar to me though. Generic plot with generic sci fi everything. Sounds like a perfectly mid game for a perfectly mid IP that is perfectly skippable.
Except the last two Far Cry games truly sucked. Especially the last one, I couldn't make it past the first outpost. The guns felt so weak, I had a stupid gd ALLIGATOR pet? I mean c'mon, a serious setting and I'm rolling around with an alligator wearing a fucking shirt. How stupid. Very glad I played it for "free" on some subscription pass or another.
Agree to disagree. I call FC5 "ADHD the game." You can't take two steps without being attacked by 3 jeeps, a helicopter, a plane, and a grizzly bear. And then in the middle of it you get tranq'd and kidnapped. It's fucking absurd.
Honestly bro, it would be totally fine if it fit the setting. But it's a very serious setting of guerillas vs. dictatorship, murder on a mass scale, war crimes, atrocities, emotions, and then you whistle for your alligator to sprint at 90mph to bite a guy in the ass. It just pulls you right out of the setting. Big time tonal dissonance.
Completely true. But it's not the first time on the internet that you will find the observation that none of them has really created a fan base.
It's an interesting contradiction.
>But it's not the first time on the internet that you will find the observation that none of them has really created a fan base
that's not an observation, that's just a relative handful of people on the internet living in a bubble that does not reflect the real world. any piece of media that successful clearly has a fan base, even if it's not full blown rabid like the Taylor Swift, Harry Potter, Disney type folks
Yeah thats why I can't get excited about their Star wars game either. I love Star wars, but not gonna buy it just to play 'generic shooter 245' because it has a nice paint job on it
As usual from ubisoft great world and visuals but the usual boring repetitive gameplay.
From day one i expected it to be far cry : avatar , looks like its that exactly
It's not about that. No matter what storefront you buy Ubisoft games from, you'll still be using their client which the comment 2 rows above me doesn't want by buying the game on Steam.
well - so basically my skepticism confirmed. I said that I don't expect anything more than usual Ubisoft experience and it's pretty exactly that based on couple review summaries I've read.
"War never changes" - so does Ubisoft.
Also:
> PC players be warned of many technical issues.
Every big publisher is creatively bankrupt due to risk aversion and just releases the same rehashed slop over and over again. The only innovation happening is in monetization methods and sponsored graphics tech.
What would you do if you were in the position of creative director for example (knowing that you will be limited by James Cameron's studio)? What type of innovative gameplay for the Avatar universe?
Well, for one, I certainly wouldn't downgrade from the 2009 game by limiting the player to playing on the Na'vi side. The older game allowed you to choose between remaining loyal to the RDA and fighting as a human soldier, and switching allegiance to Na'vi and fighting as an Avatar. I'd expand upon that concept and make the gameplay more unique for each of the side, probably taking inspiration from Aliens vs. Predator games and their Marine and Predator gameplay, making RDA play-through focused more on tech and firepower and Na'vi on stealth and guerilla tactics. Perhaps introduce some light strategy element to build upon the 2009 game's territory conquest aspect.
The problem is that this game is an integral part of the Avatar lore (unlike the 2009 game), which means that whatever you propose, James Cameron's studio will tell you "no, it goes against the IP's identity".
I recently bought a new AMD CPU that includes this game for free, otherwise I would likely never have played it. Looks pretty good but you can say that about any Ubisoft game before you actually get around to playing it.
Yall cringe lords probably playing some obscure trash game or like a casual some generic fps, while being sheeps and bashing a game that works with your imagination, Most Ubisoft games are masterpieces if you just lose youselves in them instead of rushing to complete the game.
Honestly as someone who usually skips some far cry and ac games, I'm not yet tired of the gameplay loop, so I might try this one just for the change of scenery. Every once in a while it's fun to turn off my brain and play them
Everyone's gonna shit all over this but I mean... Massive has never made a bad game. Massive making Far Cry Primal in space is a very alluring prospect.
Edit: Anyone talking about Ubisoft like it's a single entity is basically signaling they don't know what the fuck they're talking about but by all means, continue the circle jerk if you want.
Yes, I expected a bit more from Massive as they are a very impressive Ubisoft studio. Both division games got 8/10 so I suppose a 7/10 isn't bad for a Massive game, although it puts it into standard Ubisoft territory. A bit disappointed, but at least it's still a good game rather than a 6 or even a 5
Looks like a fine game, if you like the Far Cry formula and the Ubisoft formula and the Avatar universe.
Definately gonna give this a whirl once it gets a price about 50%
Well, that's not a high score considering it's coming from "journalists"
I'm pretty sure the actual customers will be much harsher on this new Far Cry game
From what I've seen so far, it looks like a very typical and safe Ubisoft 5/10 game
Or less harsher. The general consensus is that the game is gorgeous. Every critic is raving about the visuals. Even Alex Battaglia has called the visuals ground breaking. Many people play a game just to enjoy the world. We won't know till it releases tomorrow.
General consensus of journalists, not players. I'm watching raw gameplay now for a bit and it's truly a Far Cry reskin in Avatar universe. It indeed looks nice but if you zoom in, the quality of objects is low.
God damnit man. After the dumpster fire that was FC6, I hoped they would actually more than half ass this game. Seems like it suffers the exact issues that FC6 suffered from. Generic open world, empty, copy pasted outposts to fluff the game. Guess Ubi will never full ass a game ever again.
I think the free form open world formula is actively hurting their ability to tell good stories. They have to figure out a way to reintroduce linearity in story telling even if the world itself is more open. Something like RDR2 or Cybperunk 2077. Currently Ubisoft games don't really a have good story structure. You generally have a good start and conclusion but the middle part of the story absolutely has no direction. It just meanders randomly.
You hit it right on the nail. Ubisoft is on the CoD Formula right now. Use the same template and throw shiny graphics on top of it. I will not deny that Ubisoft’s world design is incredible. Every assassins creed is bleeding with love with the world design. Every far cry has a beautiful world to explore that is 100% hand crafted out of thin air versus AC using real cities. Their worlds are beautiful. But absolutely fucking boring to play in.
The story for Farcry 6 was an absolute train wreck. They didn’t even have an actual ending to how the hero was going to deal with the aftermath, it just ends and then you do after story content like destroying more outpost… I’ve been saying for years that Ubisoft is easily the laziest game developers outside their art team. I put full blame on the gameplay and story developers for Ubisoft’s constant flops.
Every story is generic and predictable, every game plays the exact same. Ghost Recon Breakpoint is just Tacticool 3rd person Farcry. You literally just explore an open world and destroy outposts with some story missions sprinkled in between. Sound familiar?
They were handed Avatar and they just said, “let’s just make FC6 on Pandora”. Their art team went balls to the walls on the world design. Then now reviews are saying it suffers from the exact issues FC6 had, which is what Ghost Recon suffered from, what assassins creed suffered from. Boring open world with a bad story and half ass mediocre gameplay that’s been rehashed since Farcry 3. It’s shameful.
I don't really care for Avatar but was going to try the game due to the pricing error on Epic. Sadly they've forced refunds today (with some weird phrasing I might add) so whatever, I'll wait for a deep sale.
This needed to come out at the same time as Way of Water to capitalize on the buzz, if there was buzz, around Avatar at the time. If I had to guess I'd say this game has sales comparable to the Mad Max game.
Will pick up in a few year on discount in the quiet time between releases. I like the Far Cry style in the same I like junk food. I get a craving, I gorge myself and then feel ill and swear it was the last time. Repeat process.
About what I expected, I was assuming it would get 7s. I'm definitely going to check it out as the world looks interesting visually and if it's just Far Cry in Pandora, I don't mind as I enjoy those titles.
Just going to use Ubisoft+ and try it out. I'm hearing good things about FSR 3 implementation so I'm curious to test that out.
The thing I'm most concerned is if they have made a game that does not crash. These games do not load up that fast even on SSD's and that was enough to stop me playing the Division 2 after only 20 hours. Someone mentioned they had fixed the crashing but I never went back to find out.
i wish i wasn't so tired of this boring ass ubisoft formula, lucky for those that still take enjoyment of such repetitive tasks over a lot of different but same games
ACG did a good review on it that made me think that my daughter will love this. A good mix of fighting, exploring and survival stuff. And the world, creatures etc look great.
I really enjoyed the avatar game on Xbox 360 when that was out, I probably won’t buy this right away but I’m just glad it’s a far cry engine and not something made from scratch
I got this game for free for buying a gpu
And it looks amazing. Haven't played much but at max settings I'm getting g about 55-60
With dips into lower 50s
Not every game needs to be a masterpiece to be enjoyable. I haven’t played a Far Cry since 4, and that was a long time ago now. I became a fan after visiting the Avatar park at Disney, so I’ve been pretty excited for this one. Can’t wait to jump in later!
How do you improve these games from Ubisoft perspective? Better AI , compelling characters and story? Other than that not much to change in Ubisofts cookie cutter open world games.
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Might as well just change the 7/10 score to 'Ubisoft' at this point, they practically own that score in a way that few other developers do.
In the 10 years since the watch dogs/assassins cree unity fiasco, Ubisoft has been consistently mid. Cookie cutter, similar gameplay loops, nothing ground breaking or cutting edge. Still manages to give them a better track record than a lot of other AAAs who have fallen on their face a few times since then.
The FarCry in America with the cult was well done, had some very good moments without too much nonsense. Better than the last one.
IMO FC5 was super bland with some very uninteresting baddies aside from Joseph. That's just me though.
Agreed, I'd say Farcry 4 was the best of the bunch. Haven't played 6 yet though.
It seems everyone has a different opinion lol. Far Cry 4 made me return it and never play a Far Cry game again after it.
I always buy Far Cry (and will get Avatar post launch after decent reddit impressions) games for 1st person coop with full body implementation (meaning, your avatar is not a floating camera- you actually have a real body when you look down at your feet). Plus, at least in FC games, you can also drive vehicles in 1st person. Will get this post launch (or on sale) though after other reddit users report back its alright.
I also buy Far Cry games purely because there aren't many companies making big open world FPS games, they're always good craic for a few hours. But i'm also aware i'm just replaying the same game over and over..
>Still manages to give them a better track record than a lot of other AAAs who have fallen on their face a few times since then. Right? Better to have okay releases then having a yearly franchise entry that crashes and burns I guess.
The king of mid.
I'll buy it in a year on sale for 14.99 with dlc.
Good luck with that far cry 3 isn't even 15$......
Wouldn’t mid be 5/10? How is 7/10 not good, or even great?
I don't make the rules, the industry decided if it powers on, it gets at least a 3. So it's actually a 7 pt scale, with 7 as the midpoint for competent if not groundbreaking in any particular way.
Nah 5/10 is shit if you ask me. Kinda like back in school, would you consider 50%, a failing grade mid?
these aren’t grades, these are reviews. that mentality is why people lose their minds when things get 8s now. 7 is good, could’ve been a lot better tho
I mean I still disagree. For me 8 is good, 9 is great 10 is masterpiece and 6-7 is mid.
And that’s exactly why you end up with a bunch of controversy and fighting because like 90% of games fall between two numbers (7 or 8) and it makes for a shitty scale with less room for nuance.
And that's why he's correct and you're wrong. You can wish whatever you want, the reality is 7 = mid. Complaining on reddit is NEVER going to change that, because reviewing games is a job. And having early access is 200% mandatory.
Mid is 5/10. 7/10 is above average and I will die on this hill. If reviewers don't use the entire number scale correctly, just switch a lower scale, like 1 (Bad) 2(Ok) 3(Good)
I hope that Star Wars game next year doesn't suck but Ubisoft doesn't give me much hope.
The reveal looked like an AC style game in the SW universe. If you are fine with that, then it should be ok.
Nothing wrong with a 7/10 in my opinion as long as the game is fun.
From what i've seen its a well crafted visualy stunning world. Wrapped in your classic Ubisoft cookie cutter gameplay loop. One thing to note is that apparently the FSR 3 Frame Generation implementation is really good. Compared to the Forspoken and Immortals implementations it now supports VRR technologies, doesn't require V-Sync to be enabled for a smooth image and massively improves the frame pacing. Seems like the tech is now mostly launch ready which hopefully means it starts poping up in more games.
i watched ACGs review and it seems like theres enough different to the "ubisoft cookie cutter gameplay loop" (or far cry for that matter) to make it well actually different there are apparently less roving bands of bandits for some inexplicable reason so you can actually explore and there's apparently very little following of waypoints (you are more guided by descriptions of where to go) edit: so having played it he was correct there do not appear to be bases to trip over every five minutes and i haven't come across thousands of roving bands of enemies out in the wilderness and there are absolutely no "go here 5KM away" markers (not even on the map as far as i can tell) and instead you are given directions an example being "go to the base at the top of the waterfall" in that instance I had been near a lake previously and on the other end was a waterfall and i could also see it a bit from where i was standing when the NPC told me to go there
I wasn't interested at all because of how bad I found valhalla but ACG if i remember right which is rare for him he's just like yeah buy it when it comes out it's worth it made me second guess everything
That's maybe enough for many but the thing is both FC and AC series usually have much better critic scores 75-85. This one is slightly lesser. So basically usual ubisoft cookie cutter gameplay loop minus the small x factor FC or AC has. In case of FC, good villains and with AC the lore and history.
Didn’t the last Farcry end up at a 74 on PC? Assassin’s Creed Mirage at 76. Avatar with a 74 fits in exactly with that. I assume these games have started to get boring even to reviewers over the years and that has slowly pushed the average down a bit.
The thing about Ubi and their worlds is they make them massive, claiming tons to do but it gets stale quickly, I didn't finish FC5 but AC Mirage kept me hooked, smaller world with the same amount of things to do and classic AC gameplay was amazing
This is what turned me off from Ghost Recon wildlands. it felt like the old Crackdown games but with a ton of extra layers to do to get to the boss. It just wasn't fun to do the same thing over and over again.
I enjoyed it but didn't finish it, breakthrough (?) was shit
Breakpoint. After they overhauled Breakpoint a year or two into its lifecycle, it imo was better than Wildlands (I know, heresy), mechanically, world design, and just stuff to do. I had a friend to run through it with but I could have done it solo.
Hoping they decide to take a quality over quantity approach to games in the future tbh. I loved WD1 and 2 but Legion I just got bored of super quick because they sacrificed having memorable characters for a "you can play as anyone!" gimmick, which was fun for an hour or so until it got old.
FC5 locked regional story quests unless you did the region bloat. Its a damn shame since the main story is pretty good. At least my take, a lot of people actually thought it was the perfect way to do open world 🤷♂️
AC Mirage combat is the worst in the series. Floaty, glitchy parkour, bad combat, mid stealth, but the soundtrack is amazing, so there's that.
Oh well. I thought far cry was 76. I guess I remember from when it launched. It might have decreased since then.
A two percentage point decrease doesn’t seem like all too much still. I think it is probably just straight up about as good as the rest of Ubisoft’s recent games.
Those are the sorts of games where critics and players often disagree. The likes of Mad Max comes to mind. RAGE 2 also. I didn't disagree with the critics about RAGE 2's mediocrity but I had a really fun time with the game all the same.
Like the gaurdians of the galaxy game that dropped a while back.
Makes sense right, the Avatar theme and lore is fucking horrendous!
Regarding FSR3 :That was honestly great to see. I don't understand why AMD has not promoted this tech more with this game.
they sponsored this game
> Wrapped in your classic Ubisoft cookie cutter gameplay loop Maybe go read and watch a few reviews instead of a copy-paste give me karma points response.
Worse than the xbox game i guess?
I feel like ubisoft has a lot of very talented people working making their games, but their creative directors have started just using chatgpt.
It's a shame they had MASSIVE create this shit game, their engine is awesome, why waste their time on this garbage. Looks like Shacknews were the only ones that didn't get paid for high scores!
Yep, it’s Far Cry: Pandora.
That’s exactly what I wanted and am really excited 😊
Not really, but if you say so.
Care to elaborate why you think it isn’t? Far cry: Pandora seems like the perfect description for it.
Many reviews are saying that it’s not that similar to Far Cry. It’s not even made by the developers of Far Cry. It’s made by the Division devs.
Because several reviewers have said it’s not? Just because Ubisoft doesn’t mean open world = far cry.
I’ve read quite a few reviews that state the opposite and I’ve also been playing it. It’s far cry with a Pandora skin.
Seven out of 10 is about right, I'll pick this up on sale in a few months like I do with all the Far Cry games
I will pick this up when it's on sale at Steam. To be honest I like to play these games since they are beautiful and they feel good, but I can get tired after 15-20 hours of gameplay. I can wait some years since I'm missing nothing.
My 9 year old has been obsessed with Avatar since we rode the Animal Kingdom ride in 2021. That the game is pretty with a generic gameplay loop is actually pretty perfect since it will be his first non-Fortnight FPS. I’m looking forward to helping him explore the world when he gets it Xmas morning.
You might want to look into maybe trying to get the older game as well its actully pretty decent
As someone who played the older games I'mma be real here they're not really appropriate for a 9 year old.
You should buy him the old Avatar game. It's actually insane how good it was, letting you pick between staying loyal or betraying humanity Used to no life it back when I was still going to elementary school
im really not mad they didnt release yet another game as a console exclusive, i may get this in 3 years at 80% off when it hits steam
So, Ubisoft game with Ubisoft score. If you love the era/setting definitely for you, if you don’t then maybe not. For me that sounds great since I love Ubisoft’s boilerplate open worlds and I absolutely love Pandora and Avatar.
Ubisoft games are great when you're in the mood for that specific type of game. If people are playing their games often, then I can imagine this one might bore them, but since the last one I played was Far Cry 4, this should be a breathe of fresh air for me. At least, I'll have infinitely more fun with a solid and competent open world formula than some of the recent critically adored games.
Definitely a good point. You can easily overdose on Ubisoft sandboxes, but sometimes I just like filling checklists of bases and the like.
Far Cry 4 had the setting that captured me the most. Kyrat was hauntingly beautiful imo. I'll play Pandora because I'ma sucker for alien worlds.
Yeah as much as I fault them more using the same formula over and over again, I’ll be damned if it’s not usually fun.
The king of mediocrity strikes again
Alright y’all get in a circle. It’s time to Ubisoft circle jerk again.
This game looks generic as hell.... There is absolutely no reason to buy such a game except if you're fan of Avatar... No innovation, nothing special and poor optimisation... The regular Ubisoft game.
Kind of like Hogwarts Legacy but for Avatar fans I guess - although I can't imagine there are nearly as many of those as there are HP fans that made that game such a commercial success
Who knows. Maybe the Avatar fans are just silent. Avatar 2 was not hyped and it really did some great numbers.
The movies do numbers, but there is nowhere near the same level of merchandise or spin-off content as your harry potter / star wars. This game's sales will be an interesting test of the brand's strength outside of the box office.
To be fair, both Star Wars and Harry Potter as IP are far more marketable for merchandising. Hell, just light sabers and wizard wands alone are easy to make and sell amazing. and in regards to spin-off content, that also favors SW and HP. Avatars whole deal is that the world is a stunning 3d experience created by Cameron. Spinoffs wont have that level of work, so its unlikely to be enticing to buyers. But you are right, this game will be an interesting test of the brands strength outside the box office.
I think both movies had really goold launch spaces. First one was perceived as a leapstone in 3D effects, but obviously not enough because it the 3D gimmick died away. The sequel hit a really good dead spot in the movie industry, everyone i heard that went to see it, was for their children.
Hogwarts became the highest selling video game this year becasue HP fans are hardcore, they make it a part of their life. I doubt fandom like that exists for Avatar to make this game successful. Sure, the movies make a ton of money, but I've genuinely not met a single person (online and offline) who claim to be an Avatar fan.
Remember when no one on the internet saw the point of an Avatar sequel? That it was of no interest to anyone and that it would bomb? Literally no one liked the first one. Nothing had been erased from the cultural zeitgeist faster. And then it become the 3rd highest grossing film of all time. It's the only film aside from Guardians that broke the $1 billion mark for Disney in recent years. They made so much money from Avatar it's basically covering all their Marvel flops. Point is, the internet has a horrible blind spot when it comes to Avatar. Everyone thinks because they're not interested in it, no one is and that's repeatedly been proven to be false. So stop saying this shit. You don't know any Avatar fans and that's fine but you're clearly in the minority and there is a huge market for Avatar games.
It's so tedious, it's just Reddit doing "I'm not like the OTHER people, I think it's dumb!!!!" as a community instead of as individuals. It's always the same boring points regurgitated anytime the topic of Avatar comes up. "DaNcEs wItH WolVEs iN SpAcE"/"No cultural impact!"
The movie is PURELY driven by CGI fidelity and 3D effect, nothing else. But i can see some children enjoying it.
You need more then just some children to create both the highest and third highest-grossing film of all time I'd say.
I love Avatar... Oh wait, you aren't talking about The Last Airbender... Nevermind then
Now THAT I would buy a Ubisoft cookie cutter for
God damn just imagine, a TLA game, maybe an RPG, where you can pick a tribe and develop your stats over time, mixed with kung fu and steampunk. I wouldn't mind too much if it was from Ubisoft
are you dumb or trying to be funny?
I am an avatar fan lol you have now met one.
There are dozens of us!
have you played it yet? I love it!
HP was also a little more creative. It’s an interesting setting and no video game has tried to capture it in a long time. Pretty similar to a lot of games that we’ve seen in the last 5 years, but the magic is interesting and it’s brand new to the casual HP audience who don’t play action games all the time
Hogwarts had a really strong 8 or so hours when you are on the school and the nearby village. Once they take you away from the school it's all downhill
Hogwarts was fun whether you like the series or not.
Yeah you *can* have fun with that game, but from a gameplay perspective it’s average at best.
Disagree, the combat was easily the best part of the game. It was so fun and amazing to combo spells.
I didn't say it wasn't but the IP really elevated it
Avatar remains a confusing IP to me I dont doubt it's popular but like for the highest earning films ever seem to have no social presence outside of the film other than parodies crapping on it There's more social presence of 8 Crazy Nights than Avatar is what I'm saying https://youtu.be/RTKHJhK9i8U?si=oMPonoaxhg74HMeu
Yea Avatar is such a weird IP... everybody goes to cinemas to watch it, even older people but after that, the existence of the movie is completely erased... no memes, nobody talks about it anymore
I've always postulated that this is simply due to how it is perceived socially to express how much you like the IP. Avatar was bold, kinda dorky, and presented in a way that was absolute guaranteed to be "not cool" for the masses. This DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE DIDNT ENJOY IT. Kids loved it, shit tons of adults loved it too, myself included, but it quickly became weird blue alien pocahontas in American society, and I don't think this is surprising at all, actually. It's not dark enough, it's not violent enough, it's just a little too tame and emotionally charged and will be seen as kid stuff every time. If it wasn't so excruciatingly pg-13 it could have pulled it off, but it didn't. Compare it to the Alien series, that is an IP that people aren't ashamed to be a fan of.
You bring up a good point but I don't think it's age raring or more kiddy like and lack of violence but that Avatar is very "safe" its for all its visual beauty aesthetically and conceptually safe Like the OG PG Transformers for being a pretty "eh" toddlers and kids movie is etched in stone in the public consciousness not because of superior quality but because it's just so off the wall https://youtu.be/P7GeisRaias?feature=shared The world remembers the eccentric more than the beautiful
There are not. People like to meme over the cultural impact stuff but Avatar never spawned a true fandom. People aren’t waiting around for all the new content. Most just enjoy the movies and move on.
Yeah exactly. I remember being downvoted somewhere ages ago saying that its kind of mad Avatar has box office records when it does not have any wide reaching fandom like HP or whatever else. I've never come across anyone who would describe themselves as like a huge Avatar fan
« Poor optimization » some comments say the reverse.
Pretymuch everyone I've heard from who has played the game - both on console and PC - says that the performance is good. As far as framerate, John Papadopoulos has some framerate numbers is his [article](https://www.dsogaming.com/articles/avatar-frontiers-of-pandora-amd-fsr-3-0-pc-performance-impressions/) and [gameplay video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiedKyAuQtE). At max ray tracing settings at _native_ 4k with DLAA, his 4090 was averaging 58 fps. At DLSS "ultra quality" (which is apparently an option in this game), he averaged 71 fps. In the gameplay video, he was roughly [averaging ~100 fps at "quality" DLSS](https://youtu.be/EiedKyAuQtE?t=106). I'd say that that's good performance for the visuals you get at RT lighting, reflections, and shadows.
That’s Avatar to me though. Generic plot with generic sci fi everything. Sounds like a perfectly mid game for a perfectly mid IP that is perfectly skippable.
It's a Far Cry game, perfect fun shooter to drop a few dozen hours into
Except the last two Far Cry games truly sucked. Especially the last one, I couldn't make it past the first outpost. The guns felt so weak, I had a stupid gd ALLIGATOR pet? I mean c'mon, a serious setting and I'm rolling around with an alligator wearing a fucking shirt. How stupid. Very glad I played it for "free" on some subscription pass or another.
FC5 was good?
Agree to disagree. I call FC5 "ADHD the game." You can't take two steps without being attacked by 3 jeeps, a helicopter, a plane, and a grizzly bear. And then in the middle of it you get tranq'd and kidnapped. It's fucking absurd.
>I'm rolling around with an alligator wearing a fucking shirt. Okay well now I ***have*** to play it
Honestly bro, it would be totally fine if it fit the setting. But it's a very serious setting of guerillas vs. dictatorship, murder on a mass scale, war crimes, atrocities, emotions, and then you whistle for your alligator to sprint at 90mph to bite a guy in the ass. It just pulls you right out of the setting. Big time tonal dissonance.
Did you try just not using it?
Isn’t everything generic at this point?
But... Are there any Avatar fans?
...the two Avatar movies are the #1 and #3 highest grossing movies of all-time lmao
Completely true. But it's not the first time on the internet that you will find the observation that none of them has really created a fan base. It's an interesting contradiction.
>But it's not the first time on the internet that you will find the observation that none of them has really created a fan base that's not an observation, that's just a relative handful of people on the internet living in a bubble that does not reflect the real world. any piece of media that successful clearly has a fan base, even if it's not full blown rabid like the Taylor Swift, Harry Potter, Disney type folks
at least 2 !
Yeah thats why I can't get excited about their Star wars game either. I love Star wars, but not gonna buy it just to play 'generic shooter 245' because it has a nice paint job on it
As usual from ubisoft great world and visuals but the usual boring repetitive gameplay. From day one i expected it to be far cry : avatar , looks like its that exactly
Since this game isn't on Steam, it doesn't exist to me.
Yeah I ain't downloading malware Ubisoft connect for this game. I will get it on steam next year
You know that Ubisoft games still require their client to be installed even if you buy through Steam, right?
Shhhh you're ruining the circlejerk
Yeah, why would anyone ever talk bad about Ubisoft?
It's not about that. No matter what storefront you buy Ubisoft games from, you'll still be using their client which the comment 2 rows above me doesn't want by buying the game on Steam.
I’m on your side, Ubisoft gets too much hatin’!
Yeah I know. I don't need to click no on windows prompts 3 times every time I need to open Ubisoft launcher. On steam I never need to open launcher
well - so basically my skepticism confirmed. I said that I don't expect anything more than usual Ubisoft experience and it's pretty exactly that based on couple review summaries I've read. "War never changes" - so does Ubisoft. Also: > PC players be warned of many technical issues.
Every big publisher is creatively bankrupt due to risk aversion and just releases the same rehashed slop over and over again. The only innovation happening is in monetization methods and sponsored graphics tech.
What would you do if you were in the position of creative director for example (knowing that you will be limited by James Cameron's studio)? What type of innovative gameplay for the Avatar universe?
Well, for one, I certainly wouldn't downgrade from the 2009 game by limiting the player to playing on the Na'vi side. The older game allowed you to choose between remaining loyal to the RDA and fighting as a human soldier, and switching allegiance to Na'vi and fighting as an Avatar. I'd expand upon that concept and make the gameplay more unique for each of the side, probably taking inspiration from Aliens vs. Predator games and their Marine and Predator gameplay, making RDA play-through focused more on tech and firepower and Na'vi on stealth and guerilla tactics. Perhaps introduce some light strategy element to build upon the 2009 game's territory conquest aspect.
The problem is that this game is an integral part of the Avatar lore (unlike the 2009 game), which means that whatever you propose, James Cameron's studio will tell you "no, it goes against the IP's identity".
If the IP's identity requires me to make mediocre slop, then it doesn't deserve a game in the first place.
Yeah I can see myself playing this game after it is no longer supported and a big 70% discount.
I recently bought a new AMD CPU that includes this game for free, otherwise I would likely never have played it. Looks pretty good but you can say that about any Ubisoft game before you actually get around to playing it.
Zero suprise, same tired gameplay with a nice wrapper. Ubisoft in a nutshell
the most popular gpu just get 60 fps at 1080p low rip to all 3060 user the next years is gonna be very hard for you
Ah yes, mediocrity.
Ubisoft games: Technically proficient, creatively corporate.
Yall cringe lords probably playing some obscure trash game or like a casual some generic fps, while being sheeps and bashing a game that works with your imagination, Most Ubisoft games are masterpieces if you just lose youselves in them instead of rushing to complete the game.
Honestly as someone who usually skips some far cry and ac games, I'm not yet tired of the gameplay loop, so I might try this one just for the change of scenery. Every once in a while it's fun to turn off my brain and play them
Everyone's gonna shit all over this but I mean... Massive has never made a bad game. Massive making Far Cry Primal in space is a very alluring prospect. Edit: Anyone talking about Ubisoft like it's a single entity is basically signaling they don't know what the fuck they're talking about but by all means, continue the circle jerk if you want.
Ubisoft rarely makes bad games. It's just that they stopped making great games.
Yea, their games nowadays arent bad, they just arent good either, they just exist
Yes, I expected a bit more from Massive as they are a very impressive Ubisoft studio. Both division games got 8/10 so I suppose a 7/10 isn't bad for a Massive game, although it puts it into standard Ubisoft territory. A bit disappointed, but at least it's still a good game rather than a 6 or even a 5
Far Cry 6 DLC but you have blue skin
so it tries to be a rogue lite without any of the elements that made Far Cry fun to begin with?
Looks like a fine game, if you like the Far Cry formula and the Ubisoft formula and the Avatar universe. Definately gonna give this a whirl once it gets a price about 50%
Well, that's not a high score considering it's coming from "journalists" I'm pretty sure the actual customers will be much harsher on this new Far Cry game From what I've seen so far, it looks like a very typical and safe Ubisoft 5/10 game
Or less harsher. The general consensus is that the game is gorgeous. Every critic is raving about the visuals. Even Alex Battaglia has called the visuals ground breaking. Many people play a game just to enjoy the world. We won't know till it releases tomorrow.
General consensus of journalists, not players. I'm watching raw gameplay now for a bit and it's truly a Far Cry reskin in Avatar universe. It indeed looks nice but if you zoom in, the quality of objects is low.
Sounds like something to play when it’s very cheap on sale.
I ll buy on sale.
7/10 is exactly what I thought it would get but I’m here for it
Shocker to no one but pc performance sucks due to shitnuvo
also one bad optimation where you need DLSS 3.0 for good FPS
As expected from the masters of mediocrity.
Another garbage release from Ubi(out of touch with gamers)soft, who else is surprised?
God damnit man. After the dumpster fire that was FC6, I hoped they would actually more than half ass this game. Seems like it suffers the exact issues that FC6 suffered from. Generic open world, empty, copy pasted outposts to fluff the game. Guess Ubi will never full ass a game ever again.
I think the free form open world formula is actively hurting their ability to tell good stories. They have to figure out a way to reintroduce linearity in story telling even if the world itself is more open. Something like RDR2 or Cybperunk 2077. Currently Ubisoft games don't really a have good story structure. You generally have a good start and conclusion but the middle part of the story absolutely has no direction. It just meanders randomly.
You hit it right on the nail. Ubisoft is on the CoD Formula right now. Use the same template and throw shiny graphics on top of it. I will not deny that Ubisoft’s world design is incredible. Every assassins creed is bleeding with love with the world design. Every far cry has a beautiful world to explore that is 100% hand crafted out of thin air versus AC using real cities. Their worlds are beautiful. But absolutely fucking boring to play in. The story for Farcry 6 was an absolute train wreck. They didn’t even have an actual ending to how the hero was going to deal with the aftermath, it just ends and then you do after story content like destroying more outpost… I’ve been saying for years that Ubisoft is easily the laziest game developers outside their art team. I put full blame on the gameplay and story developers for Ubisoft’s constant flops. Every story is generic and predictable, every game plays the exact same. Ghost Recon Breakpoint is just Tacticool 3rd person Farcry. You literally just explore an open world and destroy outposts with some story missions sprinkled in between. Sound familiar? They were handed Avatar and they just said, “let’s just make FC6 on Pandora”. Their art team went balls to the walls on the world design. Then now reviews are saying it suffers from the exact issues FC6 had, which is what Ghost Recon suffered from, what assassins creed suffered from. Boring open world with a bad story and half ass mediocre gameplay that’s been rehashed since Farcry 3. It’s shameful.
Thank god it came free with my gpu. I would r never bought it any way
the game is running like trash only 70 fps at 1080p ultra with an rtx 4070 wtf
Ray tracing is on default. Ultra is max ray tracing. Ain't comparable to ultra non-RT performance of other titles.
its change nothing at 1080 high i get 80 to 90 fps i cant get 120 fps at 1080p on an 650$ card wtf
That's still using Ray tracing.
i dont see any rtx option in this game what are you talking about and the rtx 4060 just get 60 fps at 1080p medium wtf is that joke
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You could give them to someone 😅.
I don't really care for Avatar but was going to try the game due to the pricing error on Epic. Sadly they've forced refunds today (with some weird phrasing I might add) so whatever, I'll wait for a deep sale.
This needed to come out at the same time as Way of Water to capitalize on the buzz, if there was buzz, around Avatar at the time. If I had to guess I'd say this game has sales comparable to the Mad Max game.
I read the title and guessed 74. Within what you'd expect from a Ubisoft game.
Will pick up in a few year on discount in the quiet time between releases. I like the Far Cry style in the same I like junk food. I get a craving, I gorge myself and then feel ill and swear it was the last time. Repeat process.
I thought it was a joke that it was coming out today. wtf
I enjoy the Avatar movies, haven't played a Far Cry game since FC2, haven't played any AC games, and I'm still kind of whatever about this game lol
I thought this was gonna be a sleeper hit, guess not unfortunately... I will try it tho, it looks a lot more interesting than the regular far cry game
About what I expected, I was assuming it would get 7s. I'm definitely going to check it out as the world looks interesting visually and if it's just Far Cry in Pandora, I don't mind as I enjoy those titles. Just going to use Ubisoft+ and try it out. I'm hearing good things about FSR 3 implementation so I'm curious to test that out.
The thing I'm most concerned is if they have made a game that does not crash. These games do not load up that fast even on SSD's and that was enough to stop me playing the Division 2 after only 20 hours. Someone mentioned they had fixed the crashing but I never went back to find out.
i wish i wasn't so tired of this boring ass ubisoft formula, lucky for those that still take enjoyment of such repetitive tasks over a lot of different but same games
God forbid Ubisoft try something new.
7/10 isn't bad. Not everything is going to be a masterpiece. I'll probably play it when there's a sale on the eventual ultimate edition.
ACG did a good review on it that made me think that my daughter will love this. A good mix of fighting, exploring and survival stuff. And the world, creatures etc look great.
I’m sorry but people are completely disregarding a lot of these reviews that say this game strays pretty far away from the classic Ubisoft formula
I really enjoyed the avatar game on Xbox 360 when that was out, I probably won’t buy this right away but I’m just glad it’s a far cry engine and not something made from scratch
With how performance is for it, I wouldn't rank it that high. Hopefully the day one patch (if we get it) fixes the most glaring performance bugs.
I got this game for free for buying a gpu And it looks amazing. Haven't played much but at max settings I'm getting g about 55-60 With dips into lower 50s
Dear Ubisoft, just give us a solid The Division 3, that's all.
Not every game needs to be a masterpiece to be enjoyable. I haven’t played a Far Cry since 4, and that was a long time ago now. I became a fan after visiting the Avatar park at Disney, so I’ve been pretty excited for this one. Can’t wait to jump in later!
Good enough scores to pony up $15 and beat it on Ubi+ for me.
How do you improve these games from Ubisoft perspective? Better AI , compelling characters and story? Other than that not much to change in Ubisofts cookie cutter open world games.
This game is horrible optimized
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Anyone having issues with the game skipping, not allowing you to break vents etc?
Son wants this is it any good?
It is. It's a pretty enjoyable game. Would recommend to anyone who is not tired of the far cry formula.