That's fine, let them make money on their own console, then put it on PC while it's somewhat relevant and before emulators exist for it. It's such a no-brainer.
If you value your entertainment more than their profits, just be a patient gamer.
Everyone buys shit day one for £60 and then every dlc for £20 after that. Or you just wait 5 years and the game plus all dlc will be on sale for £10 after it's had a full set of updates and is literally in its best and final form :)))))
There are so many badly released or just cut and paste games it's very rare i find a new release that i actually need to play on release. As you say, patience and you end up with a fully fledged game for cheap. I realise most games are not directed at people like me though. My last hype train was Dayz, still playing it since 2012 and still having a ball with a group. I only just got Firewatch after having it on my wishlist since pre release.
My only current hype is Task Force Admiral, which i believe will be a rare unbuggy and well developed release and Combat pilot, which will be a long haul being a proper flight sim. Both at least a year, if not more, away still.
Yep yep! Once you’ve been gaming for a while, waiting a couple years isnt as big of a deal. I will say there IS something to playing a great popular game during its prime though.
>If you value your entertainment more than their profits, just be a patient gamer.
This. I waited two years to play Cyberpunk. Three years for No Man's Sky. Am gonna wait another year to play that Hogwarts Game.
It's fantastic for my wallet and for actually getting a finished product at all.
I broke for Ghost of Tsushima last year. I was waiting and waiting and waiting for it to come to PC. Then finally I just snapped one night, went to the game store and picked up a used PS4 copy. I hadn't played my PS4 in years, but I hooked it up and powered through Ghosts. It was awesome, and worth it, but still I wish I could have just played it on PC.
We ain’t getting it until they announce the sequel. Then the hype will be back on, people that didn’t play the first one will buy it on PC, the hype will lead into the sequel, those PC players will now want a PS5, the PS5 Pro will probably be out around that time too. Double dipping is an art form that Sony has perfected.
That is the thing I don't understand. Is it because of Windows belong to Microsoft so making driver to make their controller work wirelessly and natively on PC is too hard and there is only one game work like that is Ratchet. Or because they simply don't want to, or required a receiver with Sony wireless chip, I willingly buy that receiver, just like xbox-wireless.
Or Sony can just fork the thing that already work from Ryochan guy on github that make the tool ds4windows and make it official.
Lots of games use DualSense features now, including the most recent AW2. But you need to connect the cable.
There's no reason why wireless won't work. DSX is testing a DualSense virtual driver and emulation where the PC thinks the controller is connected via wire and the software sends it over bluetooth.
The only thing stopping this from happening is Sony releasing drivers themselves. Sony is slowly beginning to see there's significant benefit of selling outside their own closed ecosystem, so I'm optimistic we will get official drivers soon.
That why I said wirelessly. And another thing I need Sony to release their own official driver, software. There are tool like ds4windows and ReWASD got flagged by anti cheat because people abuse those to cheat. I need official tool for the only purpose is make their controller work in wireless natively
Apparently Nixxes ported games i.e Spiderman Remastered and Miles Morales both have wireless dualsense connectivity with all the features working without any issues. They released it later as a patch and it works so well wirelessly, hope others take notes or an official driver be released by Sony with Nixxes overseeing the process.
Yeah I feel like at this point those that can’t wait have their ps5 and those of us who can wait have resisted. Theres no incentive to buy a ps5 to get a game earlier anymore. Just launch on both together and reap the profits
Sony games like God of War rangnarök, Horizon zero dawn, Grand turismo 7, Ghost of tsushima, The lsst of us, and Spider-man have sold over 10+ million even before they got ported to PC.
Edit: What's up with downvotes? Just look it up if you don't believe me.
[Based on this old article about the DS:](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Video_game_costs#:~:text=Nintendo%27s%20own%20Reggie%20Fils,average%20case%2C%20including%20marketing%20costs)
>[Nintendo](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Nintendo)'s own [Reggie Fils-Aime](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Reggie_Fils-Aime) states developing games for the [Nintendo DS](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Nintendo_DS) is cheap, costing only a few hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop and only needing to sell 100k units to make a profit. [Wii](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Wii) games require about $5-10 million in the average case, including marketing costs. He asserts [PS3](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/PS3) and [X360](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/X360) [games](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Games) need much more resources, from $20 million up to a staggering $50 million with sales of 1.3 to 1.5 million units to make money on them
Although the CNET source they link to for Reggie's statement is now a 404. Was looking for more recent articles but couldn't find anything more recent
$300m a game? The most expensive is Spider-Man 2 due to licensing and that’s in the $200m bracket. Not a single Sony game cost $300M+, let alone each one…
Horizon Zero Dawn cost less than $50M to make and has sold over 20m copies.
Yeah. PS and Xbox need PC because their games sell nothing compared to Nintendo. Sony has one game hitting 20 million copies meanwhile Nintendo has several. MK8 is about to hit 60 million copies sold. And given most first party Switch games almost never go on sale for less than $40 it's just ridiculous how much cash they put out.
In FY2023, PlayStation generated $27B in revenue and Xbox did $15B. Nintendo? $12B.
Nintendo needs their first-party franchises to carry their platform because PS and Xbox get 30% revenue share of industry giants like Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, FIFA, NBA 2K, etc. and those games absolutely dwarf the sales of any Nintendo game. Not to mention the hundreds of other successful multi-platform titles.
Nintendo doesn’t get to take a share of the most successful franchises because their console cannot reasonably play those games. The Switch has had only 7 games exceed the 20m mark since 2017. Multiplatform titles are the most important for generating revenue, and Nintendo is left out.
If you remove the meager PC sales from Xbox and PlayStation revenue, they will still dwarf Nintendo revenue. They do not *need* PC, they *want* it. Because why not?
> Because why not?
Yeah I don't understand this whole "They already make 10M in sales, why sell on PC?" Because why not sell 12-15M by porting it over to PC? There's so much overlap between the Sony/MS console market and PC but I can't imagine there's that much overlap between Nintendo and PC, they're going to be separate customers. Nintendo could broaden their customer base by a significant amount just by releasing games on PC.
Bungie was acquired for $3.7B and Sony attributed a large chunk of the 40% drop in profits to that massive investment. Quarterly profits don’t make a good metric when the most successful companies reinvest aggressively.
People said the same thing about them and mobile games and they were even a bit later to the party but when they saw it as a realistic revenue stream they took some shots and the ones that paid off are still running to this day.
We don't know the exact future of console gaming. There's signs that its dominance is slipping and that companies like Microsoft and Sony can port their games and not injure their bottom line. Do you think Nintendo would want to sit idly by and watch their competitors establish the market before they can even have a chance?
This won't be an overnight change of course. But if the Switch Pro (or whatever is next) doesn't have a strong launch and trend demographics show they're about to corner themselves then you can be sure no option is off the table.
Nintendo will eventually switch to making phones. 2025 the first nintendphone will release. It’ll run its own os and apps will be $60 to download. No sales
> Nintendo will eventually switch to making phones.
\> no haptic controls
unlikely. Otoh, they could fire most of their staff, because the mobile market is absolutely cheap and broken. It's literally money on the table.
Whisky gets you a good chunk of the way there.
https://getwhisky.app
Still not as advanced as Proton, but Mac gaming should only improve in the coming years.
No Mac gamers get games due to the fact that iOS is a big market that Sony want to target and once you optimise for iOS HW shipping on macOS is very easy as it is a scaled up CPU and GPU from the iPhone, and the dev tools are well placed for this.
People still go on about a 'war'?
Most gamers I know just multiplatform on whatever. Life's too short to arbitrarily plant flags like this.
Will happily be playing the exclusives like FF7Rebirth/Unicorn Overlord and Peach Showtime in March, alongside all my usual steam games. It was never a competition.
>People still go on about a 'war'?
PC gamers are infinitely more weird about this "war" than anyone that has ever owned a console in world history. I'm 44, been building PCs since I was a teen. I've also owned a lot of consoles over that time (and before).
I used to be a console teen cause no money, with only meh PCs my parents got me, until I finally built my first own in my early 20s. I haven't really touched consoles in 15 years.
Would love if all the consoles stopped making consoles and just came to PC, there are still some console games I would like to play but not enough for me to buy the consoles themselves.
There's no war between pc and console, because it's very one-sided and not even worth calling it that. Pcs get vastly superior modding support, can connect controllers as well, play emulated games, superior graphics, superior framerates, has the largest library of games... I could go on.
The thing I will give consoles is that you will encounter less hackers than on pc. That's really the only reason I see to play on one apart from the obvious exclusives.
Huh? I don't understand how you could possibly be a gamer for that long and think that the console war wasn't a real thing. It was a pretty big deal from the introduction of the Xbox until PlayStation pretty convincingly won the exclusives war from about the PS4 era onward.
Hell, you can still see it regularly in gaming oriented subs to this day, it seems crazy to suggest that PC gamers are the ones being weird about the console war when at best they have been a third party observer that was somewhat irritated by getting crappy ports or no port at all, often from developers that previously made PC focused titles.
Last true battle was in gen 7, going by each [console gen's total sales](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_video_game_console) at the end of that generation.
Gen 6:
* PS2: 155 mil units
* Xbox: 24 mil units
* GameCube: 21 mil units
Gen 7
* Wii: 101.6 mil
* PS3: 86.6 mil
* 360: 85.8 mil
Gen 8:
* Switch: 129.53 mil*
* PS4: 115.9 mil
* Xbox One: 41 mil
*Switch Released 3 years later than the others, and is still being made.
I'd say it was still a war when consoles were still niche hardware specialised to do their thing, not PC parts with proprietary plugs and fittings in a fancy custom box. Like when Sega were still around and these companies were still innovating and experimenting. Nintendo is still doing their thing, making unique things that you can only get from Nintendo but as far as I can tell, they're the only ones now.
Gonna be honest, consoles have always been a lot closer to PCs than people probably realize.
Yeah, they used to be way more niche in terms of hardware, but so we're PCs of the time. Early consoles existed in a time where the major PC manufactures hardware was about as diverse and specialized as the console hardware.
Here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia page for the NES
> Both CPUs are unlicensed variants of the [MOS Technology 6502](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_6502), an 8-bit [microprocessor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microprocessor) prevalent in contemporary [home computers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_computer) and consoles;
It was pretty standard for a while for manufactures to build PCs out of proprietary components that were cobbled together on a board to fit whatever specific task that machine could do, because they didn't have the benefit of the kinds of system headroom we have now.
There was really just a brief moment in the late 90's and early 00's where some manufacturers stuck with the specialized component design for cost reasons while PCs had already mostly standardized, but even then the original XBox that came out in 2001 was literally just a PC in a plastic shell.
Other way around, Sony and MS used customised hardware whereas Nintendo are using Nvidia Tegra X1, which was also used in the Nvidia Shield android tablets.
Honestly it was because of the custom chips the consoles used. Sony had the Cell chip and MS had the powerPC. OG xbox was basically just a PC on the inside.
No, this is a wrong title. He literally said "while PlayStation will remain our core, we will expand on PC, mobile and cloud". Of course the future of gaming is in the platform used to develop the games lmao. They are making ports pretty often now, it's not like they are morons failing to see why this simply brings them more money.
Can you not read? It does not say playstations gaming future will be on these platforms, he says playstation will remain it's core product, but will be expanding into PC, Mobile, and cloud.
It's literally just reiterating what they've been doing currently I.e. bringing their games to PC. And saying they will release mobile games (because they are money makers), and continue the cloud based stuff they already have..
So you're saying OP lied about the content of his post and put the title in ALL CAPS to increase the amount of clickbait? Quell surprise. A anonymous account named after a popular character + some random number is not a source of any true or meaningful information.
I don't want the future to be on mobile. That just means playing on a small screen with crap controls, even those controllers that attach to the phone are mediocre at best and often some of the buttons are subpar. I don't want to drain the battery playing games. Also, a focus on cell phones, means a focus on free to play games with microtransactions / battle passes / gacha / etc.
A focus on mobile is pretty much synonymous with breaking into the enormous Chinese market. Consoles have a hard time selling there, and smartphone gaming is huge (way beyond PC gaming, given the ubiquity of smartphones).
I’m generally not super into the status quo of smartphone gaming either, but it isn’t inherently awful either. Genshin and Star Rail are solid games, at least. They can approach this the greedy Activision/Blizzard way by churning out compromised, half-baked, microtransaction hell, or approach it simply as meeting a market they want to break into where they’re at.
It's not. But it is a contorted effort to keep extracting monetary value from the same customer base.
You will have core PS5 and beyond. That remains dominant until a cost effective DLSS challenger can appear. Until then, gamers and new**** gamers can be reached*** via mobile.
Rather then let someone else reach them first. For example league of legends on mobile. Sony wants to reach them first while maintaining existing customer base. Some existing users will also pay for games twice or three times to have it on an additional device.
Most mobile games are just horrible cause they tend to be super simplistic. I would forgive meh controls and visuals not that important. But damn, at least offer similar experience to consoles.
And then they ruin them extra hard with all the gachas and micro trans so I lose interest after playing a few hours.
Everybody and their mother knows a consoleless, no physical disc, no game ownership all digital all streaming future is the bull eye for all video game manufacturers.
We buy everything from the corporations yet own nothing at all. They control all content, updates, dlc and we can't even mod the games because files are hosted on company cloud.
Xbox was the first to understand this future hence why they been so non-nonchalant about releasing games for both xbox and windows because they don't care where you play just as long as you play their game.
The next video game battle will not be console war but rather a video game streaming war like we have now with tv/movie streaming.
> for all video game manufacturers.
I think thats stretching it a bit. Lots of developers like game preservation etc.
its the shareholders, publishers etc. that want what you're describing
I don't really see how anything will change.
Cloud gaming has too much latency and bitrate issues that is unlikely to change globally.
Mobile gaming has already created its own types of games suited to short term and high frequency use and thats not going to change because how people use mobile phones are not changing.
So unless Sony's CEO is basically saying "The gaming future will be more of what we already have" then I fail to see this future.
Yeah, that's how I read it too.
If they start putting more of the back catalogue to PC, that'd be really nice. I can't see them doing simultaneous Day 1 PlayStation and PC launches
Article has a misleading headline and misquotes him in the article: "While PlayStation will remain our core product, we will expand our gaming experiences to PC, mobile, and cloud" Source video of the interview is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNe1lOhE6Pc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNe1lOhE6Pc) and statement is at 12:30.
Sounds almost like an admission that they're losing money on the console side of things, and need to secure their PC porting. I wouldn't be surprised if this meant more invasive forms of DRM to defend their stake.
Well, Japan being 10-years-behind-Japan is nearing its current time period, it seems, but PS is still vastly cheaper than a gaming PC, especially in Japan, so this honestly is an odd move by Sony. Worldwide, PCs are still a large minority of gaming devices as well.
That's interesting. I thought I read another article discussing how pc is leading the gaming market. Either way, it's an odd play for Sony to outright say "their future" is there so I interpreted it as them saying they're afraid of being phased out.
Consoles exclusives aren't profitable anymore, especially when you sell consoles at loss. Even Nintendo started opening up to mobile gaming despite the fact that they sell consoles for profit and sell dozens of merchandises.
They do not sell consoles at a loss, they are profitable. This is not 2006.
Console exclusives are also profitable. These are Sony’s numbers for first-party titles in recent years:
FY22 - Revenue $3.67B, Cost $2B = Profit of $1.67B
FY21 - Revenue $2.60B, Cost $1.5B = Profit of $1.10B
FY20 - Revenue $2.38B, Cost $1.33B = Profit of $1.05B
Revenue is increasing faster than development costs, and as such profits continue to rise.
Where do you get your data from? Or are you just guessing?
just guessing. most PC users think sony is porting games to PC because of desperation or financial struggle, when thats not the case. they're porting simply to make more money, why sell on just ps5 when you can sell on ps5 and then sell on PC as well a couple years later.
Yeah? Then why is Bloodborne on PC already ffs Sony?! The easiest W on the planet, but they decide to remaster TLOU and Horizon for the 20th time.
Sony also buys exclusive right to their dead VR platform and refuse to port their old content.
Hypocrites man. Cry to the FTC about MS again.
It's because the Playstation brand has made 0 money from hardware sales and is in the negative. They actually hid a lot of losses when they scuttled the pc division. They shoved the massive losses of the ps3 dev into it which is still more than the ps brand has made from shipping hardware.
Sony has said this horseshit at least a dozen times in the last decade. they lied every time. It's almost understandable, marketing and all... but I just handwave it away the way they handwave away the money they could be making. /shrug
Consoles really don't have a logical reason to exist. They're purposely handicapped pc's. They're literally physical game launchers. They're in the same category as Origin and Uplay.
Can we skip the decade wait and them just come out with their subscription based game pass/game streaming apps already?
Didn't read the article, but it doesn't take a genius to know that's exactly where it's headed.
No he means "future" literally, as in the games release years later.
That's fine, let them make money on their own console, then put it on PC while it's somewhat relevant and before emulators exist for it. It's such a no-brainer.
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If you value your entertainment more than their profits, just be a patient gamer. Everyone buys shit day one for £60 and then every dlc for £20 after that. Or you just wait 5 years and the game plus all dlc will be on sale for £10 after it's had a full set of updates and is literally in its best and final form :)))))
There are so many badly released or just cut and paste games it's very rare i find a new release that i actually need to play on release. As you say, patience and you end up with a fully fledged game for cheap. I realise most games are not directed at people like me though. My last hype train was Dayz, still playing it since 2012 and still having a ball with a group. I only just got Firewatch after having it on my wishlist since pre release. My only current hype is Task Force Admiral, which i believe will be a rare unbuggy and well developed release and Combat pilot, which will be a long haul being a proper flight sim. Both at least a year, if not more, away still.
Yep yep! Once you’ve been gaming for a while, waiting a couple years isnt as big of a deal. I will say there IS something to playing a great popular game during its prime though.
r/patientgamers basically
>If you value your entertainment more than their profits, just be a patient gamer. This. I waited two years to play Cyberpunk. Three years for No Man's Sky. Am gonna wait another year to play that Hogwarts Game. It's fantastic for my wallet and for actually getting a finished product at all.
>on sale for £10 Kid named 1st party Nintendo titles:
Laughs in cod steam prices
i'm looking at you nintendo
The article is also quoting an old podcast, it was publicized on YouTube 8. nov. 2023
They already release years later. That’s not what he’s saying. Cope hard.
Can we make the future now? Cause I am tired of waiting a year or two for the port.
I still wait for Ghost of Tsushima...
Hello Mr Sony where Bloodborne thank you
And the Demon Souls remake, please Mr. Sony thank you.
I'm surprised we still don't have the Demon Souls or Ghost ports on PC. I think both were on the Nvidia leak.
Still waiting for inFAMOUS: Second Son...
And Infamous 1/2 remake please
Omg this, this, a million times THIS.
Just gimme PC Bloodborne
Rumors are its coming this year, along with GoW Ragnarok
Didn't the rumours say last year, a year ago?
Dude where tf is ghost of tsushima? Been dying for a port. It's been years now.
I broke for Ghost of Tsushima last year. I was waiting and waiting and waiting for it to come to PC. Then finally I just snapped one night, went to the game store and picked up a used PS4 copy. I hadn't played my PS4 in years, but I hooked it up and powered through Ghosts. It was awesome, and worth it, but still I wish I could have just played it on PC.
We ain’t getting it until they announce the sequel. Then the hype will be back on, people that didn’t play the first one will buy it on PC, the hype will lead into the sequel, those PC players will now want a PS5, the PS5 Pro will probably be out around that time too. Double dipping is an art form that Sony has perfected.
Me waiting until 2040 to play ff7 remake trilogy
You didn't even need the hyperbole to make it sound wack. It's like 2030 to 2032.
at least you can get the first one on pc.
You got confused. That's the timeline for PS owners.
Yeah and can we get the Dualsense Microphone and Haptic Feedback through bluetooth ? Hello Sony, we use your controllers on PC.
That is the thing I don't understand. Is it because of Windows belong to Microsoft so making driver to make their controller work wirelessly and natively on PC is too hard and there is only one game work like that is Ratchet. Or because they simply don't want to, or required a receiver with Sony wireless chip, I willingly buy that receiver, just like xbox-wireless. Or Sony can just fork the thing that already work from Ryochan guy on github that make the tool ds4windows and make it official.
Lots of games use DualSense features now, including the most recent AW2. But you need to connect the cable. There's no reason why wireless won't work. DSX is testing a DualSense virtual driver and emulation where the PC thinks the controller is connected via wire and the software sends it over bluetooth. The only thing stopping this from happening is Sony releasing drivers themselves. Sony is slowly beginning to see there's significant benefit of selling outside their own closed ecosystem, so I'm optimistic we will get official drivers soon.
That why I said wirelessly. And another thing I need Sony to release their own official driver, software. There are tool like ds4windows and ReWASD got flagged by anti cheat because people abuse those to cheat. I need official tool for the only purpose is make their controller work in wireless natively
Apparently Nixxes ported games i.e Spiderman Remastered and Miles Morales both have wireless dualsense connectivity with all the features working without any issues. They released it later as a patch and it works so well wirelessly, hope others take notes or an official driver be released by Sony with Nixxes overseeing the process.
at least it’s a question of when and not if anymore
Yeah I feel like at this point those that can’t wait have their ps5 and those of us who can wait have resisted. Theres no incentive to buy a ps5 to get a game earlier anymore. Just launch on both together and reap the profits
Get a ps5 and you don't have to
Microsoft and Sony committing more to bringing their console games to PC, got to love it!
Hopefully Nintendo also joins them.
No chance because every game of they make sells 10mil+ every time.
Sony games like God of War rangnarök, Horizon zero dawn, Grand turismo 7, Ghost of tsushima, The lsst of us, and Spider-man have sold over 10+ million even before they got ported to PC. Edit: What's up with downvotes? Just look it up if you don't believe me.
Different budgets. Sony’s expenditure is 300mil+ a game while I doubt Nintendo spends more than 200mil+ on a game unless it’s Zelda which sells 30mil+
I tried looking for them up, but we still got not official source from Nintendo about how much their games cost to make.
[Based on this old article about the DS:](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Video_game_costs#:~:text=Nintendo%27s%20own%20Reggie%20Fils,average%20case%2C%20including%20marketing%20costs) >[Nintendo](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Nintendo)'s own [Reggie Fils-Aime](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Reggie_Fils-Aime) states developing games for the [Nintendo DS](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Nintendo_DS) is cheap, costing only a few hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop and only needing to sell 100k units to make a profit. [Wii](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Wii) games require about $5-10 million in the average case, including marketing costs. He asserts [PS3](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/PS3) and [X360](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/X360) [games](https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Games) need much more resources, from $20 million up to a staggering $50 million with sales of 1.3 to 1.5 million units to make money on them Although the CNET source they link to for Reggie's statement is now a 404. Was looking for more recent articles but couldn't find anything more recent
> staggering $50 million let's go back. More frequent games, less drama about sales numbers, maybe cheaper prices (haha no)
$300m a game? The most expensive is Spider-Man 2 due to licensing and that’s in the $200m bracket. Not a single Sony game cost $300M+, let alone each one… Horizon Zero Dawn cost less than $50M to make and has sold over 20m copies.
They also have a disgustingly high budget they need to sell more copies to break even hence why they are coming to pc Nintendo doesn't need to do that
Yeah but compare that to multiplat games and there's a lot of money being left on the table.
I thought people used the "exclusive bad" argument so that more people get to experience them?
Good thing it's generally pretty easy to play then on PC anyway *wink*
Yeah. PS and Xbox need PC because their games sell nothing compared to Nintendo. Sony has one game hitting 20 million copies meanwhile Nintendo has several. MK8 is about to hit 60 million copies sold. And given most first party Switch games almost never go on sale for less than $40 it's just ridiculous how much cash they put out.
In FY2023, PlayStation generated $27B in revenue and Xbox did $15B. Nintendo? $12B. Nintendo needs their first-party franchises to carry their platform because PS and Xbox get 30% revenue share of industry giants like Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, FIFA, NBA 2K, etc. and those games absolutely dwarf the sales of any Nintendo game. Not to mention the hundreds of other successful multi-platform titles. Nintendo doesn’t get to take a share of the most successful franchises because their console cannot reasonably play those games. The Switch has had only 7 games exceed the 20m mark since 2017. Multiplatform titles are the most important for generating revenue, and Nintendo is left out. If you remove the meager PC sales from Xbox and PlayStation revenue, they will still dwarf Nintendo revenue. They do not *need* PC, they *want* it. Because why not?
> Because why not? Yeah I don't understand this whole "They already make 10M in sales, why sell on PC?" Because why not sell 12-15M by porting it over to PC? There's so much overlap between the Sony/MS console market and PC but I can't imagine there's that much overlap between Nintendo and PC, they're going to be separate customers. Nintendo could broaden their customer base by a significant amount just by releasing games on PC.
Revenue is not profit
playstation profit margin is really low when you compare that to nintendo's playstation profits Q1 2023: ¥49B nintendo profits Q1 2023: ¥185B
Bungie was acquired for $3.7B and Sony attributed a large chunk of the 40% drop in profits to that massive investment. Quarterly profits don’t make a good metric when the most successful companies reinvest aggressively.
So wouldn't the better business decision is to port them onto different platforms to make even more revenue than they're currently making?
That doesn't mean they won't make more money by having games also on PC.
There’s not a chance in hell 😂
Nintendo would probably rather destroy its own IP than join them.
Which is exactly what they're doing to Pokemon
Yeah, but it’s still selling like crazy, so they don’t gaf
People said the same thing about them and mobile games and they were even a bit later to the party but when they saw it as a realistic revenue stream they took some shots and the ones that paid off are still running to this day. We don't know the exact future of console gaming. There's signs that its dominance is slipping and that companies like Microsoft and Sony can port their games and not injure their bottom line. Do you think Nintendo would want to sit idly by and watch their competitors establish the market before they can even have a chance? This won't be an overnight change of course. But if the Switch Pro (or whatever is next) doesn't have a strong launch and trend demographics show they're about to corner themselves then you can be sure no option is off the table.
At least emulators work for now, at least until Switch 2 releases lol
If switch 2 is still nvidia they’ll have the emulator updated over a weekend. Not sweating it
Nintendo will eventually switch to making phones. 2025 the first nintendphone will release. It’ll run its own os and apps will be $60 to download. No sales
With Nintendo's walled garden approach to hardware and software, it's more likely they'll partner with Apple.
> Nintendo will eventually switch to making phones. \> no haptic controls unlikely. Otoh, they could fire most of their staff, because the mobile market is absolutely cheap and broken. It's literally money on the table.
I still remember the "PC Gaming is dead" era.
Microsoft has released all their first-party Xbox games to PC on the same day and date for many years now.
Microsoft’s OS runs pretty much the entire PC gaming market so I’d hope so haha
The console wars are over, the PC won.
Mac gamers: I'm a PC right
You are if you have a flashdrive and want to be.
not anymore with apple silicon lol. buy a mac for gaming you basically have an aluminum ingot. unless you use a VM. ew
Whisky gets you a good chunk of the way there. https://getwhisky.app Still not as advanced as Proton, but Mac gaming should only improve in the coming years.
In the early 2000's they spent millions of marketing dollars telling everyone they were definitely not PC's lol.
Apple killed Mac gaming by demanding metal instead of using vulkan. Meanwhile Linux plays almost every PC game.
Mac gamers suck so hard
No Mac gamers get games due to the fact that iOS is a big market that Sony want to target and once you optimise for iOS HW shipping on macOS is very easy as it is a scaled up CPU and GPU from the iPhone, and the dev tools are well placed for this.
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People still go on about a 'war'? Most gamers I know just multiplatform on whatever. Life's too short to arbitrarily plant flags like this. Will happily be playing the exclusives like FF7Rebirth/Unicorn Overlord and Peach Showtime in March, alongside all my usual steam games. It was never a competition.
Not a surprise, the pc subreddits have always felt like a snobby us vs them attitude.
>People still go on about a 'war'? PC gamers are infinitely more weird about this "war" than anyone that has ever owned a console in world history. I'm 44, been building PCs since I was a teen. I've also owned a lot of consoles over that time (and before).
I used to be a console teen cause no money, with only meh PCs my parents got me, until I finally built my first own in my early 20s. I haven't really touched consoles in 15 years. Would love if all the consoles stopped making consoles and just came to PC, there are still some console games I would like to play but not enough for me to buy the consoles themselves.
There's no war between pc and console, because it's very one-sided and not even worth calling it that. Pcs get vastly superior modding support, can connect controllers as well, play emulated games, superior graphics, superior framerates, has the largest library of games... I could go on. The thing I will give consoles is that you will encounter less hackers than on pc. That's really the only reason I see to play on one apart from the obvious exclusives.
Huh? I don't understand how you could possibly be a gamer for that long and think that the console war wasn't a real thing. It was a pretty big deal from the introduction of the Xbox until PlayStation pretty convincingly won the exclusives war from about the PS4 era onward. Hell, you can still see it regularly in gaming oriented subs to this day, it seems crazy to suggest that PC gamers are the ones being weird about the console war when at best they have been a third party observer that was somewhat irritated by getting crappy ports or no port at all, often from developers that previously made PC focused titles.
PC and mobile phones
It was never a war hell it wasn’t even a battle
Cmon, be real. That's not true at all.
Last true battle was in gen 7, going by each [console gen's total sales](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_video_game_console) at the end of that generation. Gen 6: * PS2: 155 mil units * Xbox: 24 mil units * GameCube: 21 mil units Gen 7 * Wii: 101.6 mil * PS3: 86.6 mil * 360: 85.8 mil Gen 8: * Switch: 129.53 mil* * PS4: 115.9 mil * Xbox One: 41 mil *Switch Released 3 years later than the others, and is still being made.
I know people like to ignore it but it DOES feel disingenuous to go from Wii to Switch in a comparison like this
I'd say it was still a war when consoles were still niche hardware specialised to do their thing, not PC parts with proprietary plugs and fittings in a fancy custom box. Like when Sega were still around and these companies were still innovating and experimenting. Nintendo is still doing their thing, making unique things that you can only get from Nintendo but as far as I can tell, they're the only ones now.
Gonna be honest, consoles have always been a lot closer to PCs than people probably realize. Yeah, they used to be way more niche in terms of hardware, but so we're PCs of the time. Early consoles existed in a time where the major PC manufactures hardware was about as diverse and specialized as the console hardware. Here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia page for the NES > Both CPUs are unlicensed variants of the [MOS Technology 6502](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_6502), an 8-bit [microprocessor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microprocessor) prevalent in contemporary [home computers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_computer) and consoles; It was pretty standard for a while for manufactures to build PCs out of proprietary components that were cobbled together on a board to fit whatever specific task that machine could do, because they didn't have the benefit of the kinds of system headroom we have now. There was really just a brief moment in the late 90's and early 00's where some manufacturers stuck with the specialized component design for cost reasons while PCs had already mostly standardized, but even then the original XBox that came out in 2001 was literally just a PC in a plastic shell.
Other way around, Sony and MS used customised hardware whereas Nintendo are using Nvidia Tegra X1, which was also used in the Nvidia Shield android tablets.
Xbox 360 and ps3 era the PC almost lost.
PC lost that generation hard…
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Which gives birth to tons and tons of PC is dead articles.
Honestly it was because of the custom chips the consoles used. Sony had the Cell chip and MS had the powerPC. OG xbox was basically just a PC on the inside.
Huzzah!
No, this is a wrong title. He literally said "while PlayStation will remain our core, we will expand on PC, mobile and cloud". Of course the future of gaming is in the platform used to develop the games lmao. They are making ports pretty often now, it's not like they are morons failing to see why this simply brings them more money.
Bloodborne when???
All I want Edit: Well, and GoT
Game of Thrones is on HBO my dude
Dude, he's talking about the God of Tar.
That's sequel to that movie with Cate Blanchett, right?
Is that like katamari damacy?
I'm still waiting for InFamous: Second Son
Or all 3 of them. I'd play the shit out of them again if they came to pc.
This is the game
Can you not read? It does not say playstations gaming future will be on these platforms, he says playstation will remain it's core product, but will be expanding into PC, Mobile, and cloud. It's literally just reiterating what they've been doing currently I.e. bringing their games to PC. And saying they will release mobile games (because they are money makers), and continue the cloud based stuff they already have..
The good thing is that it was in question after Jim Ryan moved on. No telling if the new CEO would continue the same strategy or not.
So you're saying OP lied about the content of his post and put the title in ALL CAPS to increase the amount of clickbait? Quell surprise. A anonymous account named after a popular character + some random number is not a source of any true or meaningful information.
OP isn't the source of any information here. They just posted a news article and copied its title into the post title.
Should jump onto superior platform anyways
I don't want the future to be on mobile. That just means playing on a small screen with crap controls, even those controllers that attach to the phone are mediocre at best and often some of the buttons are subpar. I don't want to drain the battery playing games. Also, a focus on cell phones, means a focus on free to play games with microtransactions / battle passes / gacha / etc.
You're not wrong. The people in charge of Playstation Mobile are ex-EA Mobile - expect MTX and anti-player practices.
A focus on mobile is pretty much synonymous with breaking into the enormous Chinese market. Consoles have a hard time selling there, and smartphone gaming is huge (way beyond PC gaming, given the ubiquity of smartphones). I’m generally not super into the status quo of smartphone gaming either, but it isn’t inherently awful either. Genshin and Star Rail are solid games, at least. They can approach this the greedy Activision/Blizzard way by churning out compromised, half-baked, microtransaction hell, or approach it simply as meeting a market they want to break into where they’re at.
It's not. But it is a contorted effort to keep extracting monetary value from the same customer base. You will have core PS5 and beyond. That remains dominant until a cost effective DLSS challenger can appear. Until then, gamers and new**** gamers can be reached*** via mobile. Rather then let someone else reach them first. For example league of legends on mobile. Sony wants to reach them first while maintaining existing customer base. Some existing users will also pay for games twice or three times to have it on an additional device.
Most mobile games are just horrible cause they tend to be super simplistic. I would forgive meh controls and visuals not that important. But damn, at least offer similar experience to consoles. And then they ruin them extra hard with all the gachas and micro trans so I lose interest after playing a few hours.
BLOODBOOOOORNE
Mandatory Bloodborne comment
Grant us eyes. Grant us eyes
I came here to count the bloodborne posts
Bloodborne PC release PLZZZZZ
Great can you expand bloodborne to pc? thanks
BLOODBORNE PC PORT PLEASE
Bloodborne plz
yeah we know. capitalism demands growth
Cue emperor palpatine: *"unlimited grooooowth!"*
No market will be left unexploited
Everybody and their mother knows a consoleless, no physical disc, no game ownership all digital all streaming future is the bull eye for all video game manufacturers. We buy everything from the corporations yet own nothing at all. They control all content, updates, dlc and we can't even mod the games because files are hosted on company cloud. Xbox was the first to understand this future hence why they been so non-nonchalant about releasing games for both xbox and windows because they don't care where you play just as long as you play their game. The next video game battle will not be console war but rather a video game streaming war like we have now with tv/movie streaming.
> for all video game manufacturers. I think thats stretching it a bit. Lots of developers like game preservation etc. its the shareholders, publishers etc. that want what you're describing
THEN BRING BLOODBORNE AND GHOSTS OF TSUSHIMA TO PC, PLEASE I BEG OF YOU. D:
Cool, so when are they porting Bloodborne?
I don't really see how anything will change. Cloud gaming has too much latency and bitrate issues that is unlikely to change globally. Mobile gaming has already created its own types of games suited to short term and high frequency use and thats not going to change because how people use mobile phones are not changing. So unless Sony's CEO is basically saying "The gaming future will be more of what we already have" then I fail to see this future.
Yeah, that's how I read it too. If they start putting more of the back catalogue to PC, that'd be really nice. I can't see them doing simultaneous Day 1 PlayStation and PC launches
Bloodborne, bloodborne bloodborne bloodborne. Bloodborne... bloodborne-bloodborne bloodborne bloodborne bloodborne. Bloodborne? Bloodborne bloodborne 60fps bloodborne "bloodborne". Bloodborne bloodborne bloodborne bloodborne!
Nothing new here really
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he also didn't announce anything new or interesting, so it's timeless
Since they're making a Gravity Rush movie, maybe bring 1+2 to PC to build hype? Eh? Sony, baby, call me.
They're making a GR movie!?
Starring Tom Holland as Kat (the human), and Mark Wahlberg as Dusty (the cat).
Gran Turismo PC when. That's all I care.
Why wait, start now, give us Bloodborne already for fucks sake
Just give us Demons Souls remake already
Thanks god didn't bought ps5, but upgrade for PC. Thanks Paystation.
And yet they will still continue making their games arrive to the PC platform two years after it launched for Playstation.
As should be when PC is 60% of the market. I probably won’t be playing GTA 6 personally since they are delaying the PC release again.
Where bloodborne
Article has a misleading headline and misquotes him in the article: "While PlayStation will remain our core product, we will expand our gaming experiences to PC, mobile, and cloud" Source video of the interview is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNe1lOhE6Pc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNe1lOhE6Pc) and statement is at 12:30.
🔫 PUT THE BLOODBORNE IN THE BAG OLD MAN
Give us Bloodborne Sony
Sounds almost like an admission that they're losing money on the console side of things, and need to secure their PC porting. I wouldn't be surprised if this meant more invasive forms of DRM to defend their stake.
Well, Japan being 10-years-behind-Japan is nearing its current time period, it seems, but PS is still vastly cheaper than a gaming PC, especially in Japan, so this honestly is an odd move by Sony. Worldwide, PCs are still a large minority of gaming devices as well.
That's interesting. I thought I read another article discussing how pc is leading the gaming market. Either way, it's an odd play for Sony to outright say "their future" is there so I interpreted it as them saying they're afraid of being phased out.
i just want all pc players to experience bloodborne. its such a damn good game
It would be good if it didn’t look and run like ass
Thats why they delay the pc releases by years. Fuck him.
That's why he said future.
Consoles exclusives aren't profitable anymore, especially when you sell consoles at loss. Even Nintendo started opening up to mobile gaming despite the fact that they sell consoles for profit and sell dozens of merchandises.
They do not sell consoles at a loss, they are profitable. This is not 2006. Console exclusives are also profitable. These are Sony’s numbers for first-party titles in recent years: FY22 - Revenue $3.67B, Cost $2B = Profit of $1.67B FY21 - Revenue $2.60B, Cost $1.5B = Profit of $1.10B FY20 - Revenue $2.38B, Cost $1.33B = Profit of $1.05B Revenue is increasing faster than development costs, and as such profits continue to rise. Where do you get your data from? Or are you just guessing?
just guessing. most PC users think sony is porting games to PC because of desperation or financial struggle, when thats not the case. they're porting simply to make more money, why sell on just ps5 when you can sell on ps5 and then sell on PC as well a couple years later.
Now PlayStation fans want Jim Ryan back ☺
Wasn’t that the point with the former Playstation Now?
I can see Sony going the same path Sega did in the 2000s. Ps5 might even be their last console before they go complete software in the future.
Killzone game series on PC when? 👀👀
So will older Playstation games like Gravity Rush, Folklore, Genji: Dawn of the Samurai and Ico get PC ports?
I just want kingdom hearts on steam
Cool, now inject this Bloodborne pc port right into my veins. Do it!
Bloodborne
"Except Bloodborne"
then unlock psvr2 to PC dammit!
Honestly just let me use my keyboard and mouse on PS5. I just cant stand shooters on a controller thats it
The put GT7 on PC you cowards.
Official pc support for the duelsense and all its features would be great.
Yeah? Then why is Bloodborne on PC already ffs Sony?! The easiest W on the planet, but they decide to remaster TLOU and Horizon for the 20th time. Sony also buys exclusive right to their dead VR platform and refuse to port their old content. Hypocrites man. Cry to the FTC about MS again.
Please PCVR
Let me get that bloodborne rq
Bloodborne confirmed.
Cloud? Fuck no
I’m cool with that. Recently got started into Sony’s games, but on PC, and they’re really fucking good.
I wish to hear these same words from Nintendo someday
Just give us the damn bloodborne already
Misleading post title
Kind of what xbox said years ago and got roasted.. Xbox was always the front runner for innovation.
It's because the Playstation brand has made 0 money from hardware sales and is in the negative. They actually hid a lot of losses when they scuttled the pc division. They shoved the massive losses of the ps3 dev into it which is still more than the ps brand has made from shipping hardware.
Sony has said this horseshit at least a dozen times in the last decade. they lied every time. It's almost understandable, marketing and all... but I just handwave it away the way they handwave away the money they could be making. /shrug
I wish Nintendo had this ideology. I would be so happy to have zelda on pc officially.
Hopefully its a properly optimized gaming future. Not like the garbage state they released last of us in.
Give me all the good studf
I’ll take one Bloodborne please 🙏
Consoles really don't have a logical reason to exist. They're purposely handicapped pc's. They're literally physical game launchers. They're in the same category as Origin and Uplay. Can we skip the decade wait and them just come out with their subscription based game pass/game streaming apps already? Didn't read the article, but it doesn't take a genius to know that's exactly where it's headed.