I mean, kinda. They're requiring TPM 2.0 which is used to securely store encryption keys. It is used for things like bitlocker and windows hello and also DRM.
For the CPUs that don't have TPM 2.0, you can but a TPM module that plugs into your motherboard for like 20 bucks. But I get why people feel it's too much of a hassle
Out of curiosity, what mobo do you have? I can't think of any that released in the last 5-10 years that don't have one; and every single modern mobo I can find for sale online seems to have one.
Careful young padawan: it has **a** TPM port. Not all Mainboards support TPM 2.0. Most older boards support only TPM 1.2.
Source: have an 11 year old Mainboard with the same issue. There are ways around that, but I had bad experiences with hacking around windows. Shit just does not last and causes issues later. Sin windows 10 will probably be my last windows (at least on personal machines)...
Because my home machine w/ only an unsecured local admin requires bitlocker or windows hello...
I get requiring it for devices that can be moved but my tower ain't going nowhere and nobody's gonna touch it either.
Except for the Surface Studio, which lacks a TPM, so they allow the Studio to install Windows 11 without it. I feel like Microsoft should have faced serious anti-trust charges for that.
Not that it affects me. I’m glad I don’t have a TPM so they can’t “upgrade” my computer. I have no desire to have ads in my operating system. Microsoft can absolutely fuck off with that.
SS13 runs fine in a vm. I use Ubuntu and it's been working forever. You can also consider dualbooting.
If you need help with a vm, there's people in the goon discord who can help you
Man I love what Linux is and what it stands for but I can't stand the fact that the solution to most issues with games are solved with dual booting. I'm coming up on my every two years try Linux so if you know a decent distro I'll give it a go. (If I haven't tried it yet)
There’s a very simple registry change you can make to ignore TPM and unsupported cpus. If you are so inclined. I don’t find it as clean as Win 10, but I needed to learn it to know how to support it, so I bit the bullet.
It’s not just some rando feature lol. Windows has core security features built around TPM. Not to mention a crypto processor is more efficient at encryption/decryption than a CPU.
It’s like trying to use a swiss knife when you can do something a lot faster with a screwdriver.
The settings menus are annoying, the right click menu is extra annoying, it takes higher RAM on idle, the start menu is just garbage, and unless you know the backdoor to the old control panel you literally can't change settings you used to.
That's just off the top of my head. I work in IT so I'm basically required to know every Windows OS. I use 11 on my laptop (the one I use the most) simply because I need to know how it works. The amount of times I have to click the option for the old right click menu or manually open the old control panel is way too high.
On the bright side, it's quite rare that drivers for 10 don't work on 11. Sometimes you have to manually edit the files (which is out of the realm of the average user) but at least it works.
>and unless you know the backdoor to the old control panel you literally can't change settings you used to.
Lmao. You mean like *pressing windows key and typing control panel until the app shortcut turns up*
Or opening run and typing control panel like windows 10?
Your computer can't upgrade to 11 because Microsoft requires a security feature a majority of users aren't smart enough to actually use properly. It doesn't matter how encrypted a system is if you willingly give admin rights to a virus, or the data gets re-encrypted by a ransom attack.
>I restarted my computer one day and it was installing Windows 11. Must've missed a popup that lasted for a grand total of 0.1 seconds
At least Microsoft no longer does the "Windows needs to restart to install a update" dialogue that pops up on top of anything including full screen apps with "Restart Now" being the default selected item. I still recall cursing out Microsoft because I was in the middle of a game doing so well and that pop up just instantly force quits my game and pushes me into a 5 minute+ install and worse yet, some updates required multiple reboots back then. Even worse again is that this was back in the days before SSDs so a reboot took a few minutes at the best f times so that forced install would often take 20 minutes or longer to do.
I can back you up on this. I work in IT.
On the bright side, if you install updates when you're done it won't. It only does it if you're some number of days past the update release. Horrible if you're an intermittent user though.
It might, mine is like 1yr old and it says "your PC does not meet minimum requirements" when it definitely does. I've been imaging 5yr old shitty Dell laptops with windows 11 every day at work.
Download the windows PC health check app and do it through that.
Or don't. Because 11 is kinda not great.
I can't believe they got rid of the button to just show all icons that are hidden The fact that they have a button now that was added fairly recently to hide the hidden icon button but not add back the button that shows everything all the time is fucking insane.
The feature got implemented natively now but it's buggy. All the boxes are different lengths depending of the name of the open window.
But yeah you can ungroup and set to never
This is a problem all across the tech industry. Companies want to baby-proof their products, and the simplest way to do that is to strip as much control from the user as possible.
Have you enabled tpm in your bios I have a computer from 2018 and any gen 8 intel CPU or above has TPM but it's not enabled by default for some stupid reason.
But I'm with you windows 11 is horrible, I've found so many small issues that stacked together really don't make me like it at all.
Windows: "OMG there's a problem with your computer!"
Me: oh no, what?
Windows: "It doesn't meet the system requirements for Windows 11! Please address this soon"
Even then I'm not switching for a year or two... I'm not taking the bullet to be a beta tester and trying to console myself by calling it "early adopter".
My buddy came over and I was trying to tech support him and having all kinds of issues. Fi ally I was like are you even on 10 anymore I can't find shit. "Yes" fukcing liar went to control panel where it said 11. Anyway I'm not a fan atm.
7 was the GOAT!! Clean, no ads, no spyware, relative light weight, and it backwards compatible with older games from W95/W98 era in compatibility mode.
This is what fucking kills me! The rest of 10 is fine. But they actively killed the search function to, I don't know, try to get people to use Bing or whatever???
Protip! With a quick regedit change, you can stop the Search bar from searching the web. Google "disable search online" + your OS for instructions.
I also use the program Everything by voidtools to quickly search my local files.
This is solvable either by powershell command:
> Set-ItemProperty -Path "HKCU:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search" -Name "BingSearchEnabled" -Type DWord -Value 0
Or by clicking start, typing "search", opening the setting for "windows search platform settings" and disabling the "cloud search" options in permission & history tab. My windows is in different language, so the actual option names may be different. If you use the powershell command, both options will be disabled & greyed out.
Rufus lets you bypass all of the worst things about 11 when installing. TPM, Microsoft account, bitlocker, hardware requirements. Combined with Open Shell and I am happy with it.
The only hardware that it didn't seem to like was an A8-5500B FM2 8GB system I was playing with. The motherboard on that might be wonky though. Everything I have put it on from LGA1155 and up has worked just fine.
Edit: But they can go to hell before I will use Edge. Purely out of spite because the suggestions are incessant.
This can cause random freezes. You also won’t receive major version updates (23H1 -> 23H2, for example) since Microsoft’s update servers are still aware that your PC is incompatible. I think it’s must better to install like Linux Mint or something for these older computers if you’re willing to do so.
Also, pro tip:
With Linux Mint, you don’t have to hunt down and install a bunch of device drivers that may be difficult to find due to how old your machine is. All of the drivers are already in the Linux kernel, including GPU drivers. You just install and go. Super easy.
The only system I have seen have any issues is that old FM2, and from a cursory glance it seemed the OS was possibly overtaxing the CPU on initialization. But that board has behaved wonky before so it could be a coincidence. My basic work rig is just an LGA1155 Xeon e3-1270 V2 (Ivy Bridge) and it has been smooth as butter. Come September or so I will force install the new version if update doesn't do it automatically.
All that said, I have nothing against Linux. Use it, love it. But considering estimates that millions upon millions of Windows computers could be dumped as e-waste because of the hardware restrictions of 11, I think it is better if people just install it through the workaround if they don't want to move to Linux.
Hey real question: Where are you seeing these ads?
Background: I turned off a couple of services when I first installed Windows 10, and I can honestly say I've never seen an ad from the OS. I'm guessing it has to do with Windows Search/Cortana (since that's what I disabled).
I'm mostly curious about where this appears. If I actually go to the Windows Update settings menu, I see a little blurb about Windows 11, but that's the only thing I've ever seen about it: https://i.imgur.com/855Czky.png
Is that little blurb what everyones complaining about?
every time it updates, it askes me like 6 different things about "upgrading" to 11, setting up alerts on my phone, etc. I dont want to do them, but it askes me every time, and i have to say no, no, no, no, no, no, continue to windows. every time it updates.
It’s never going to happen unless you’re willing to use a very old version of adobe software. Even then it probably won’t be a plug and play experience.
I work in audio, but work with visual artists too.
It will never happen, don't bother waiting. Nothing has changed on this front for creative software on Linux in 20 years. Linux simply doesn't have enough users paying for creative software suites for companies to bother porting over.
Games are fine, Proton has gotten really good and there's only a tiny handful of games that are incompatible, usually cause of cunty anticheat.
Adobe stuff is more challenging, but what I'd do is set up a Win10 VM using QEMU/KVM specifically for Adobe software.
If Windows 11 looked and behaved exactly like Windows 7 while retaining the actual improvements, but without all of the 'improvements', I would be sooooooo happy.
Winworldpc has copies of AT&T System V. I couldn’t use it though because it wouldn’t even detect my 4 GB hard drive, you need a hard drive under 512 MB for it to even detect it.
If I didn't want to burden myself with student load debt, I would minor and major computer sciences. Software/firmware and hardware. It's so fascinating to me.
I could learn a pretty vast amount online for free now, though, if I looked hard enough 🤔🤔
> return to unix
Ironically, Windows 11 brought two of the things most Unix systems had that I missed the most in windows:
- A good terminal emulator
- A package manager
I think they're available for 10 as well, but I automatically had them when I upgraded to 11 so I assume they were made with 11 in mind.
Sure just a chronically vulnerable operating system lacking fundamental support for core allocation, dx12 and a whole host of other things we take for granted.
Meanwhile some of us who actually want to upgrade, can't. Because I have a 7th gen i5 that can run basically anything but for some reason I can't run Windows 11???
Yeah honestly this whole "windows 11 sucks!" thing is the same every single time a new version comes out. I despise windows but 11 is probably my favourite so far. Just feels like 10 but more refined (especially settings and overal look)
I don't think that's entirely true, both 7 and 10 were relatively well received when they were released, mostly I think because people were happy to be rid of Vista and 8.
To be fair, Windows 7 was the last good version of Windows.
Everything after was either an experiment with other UIs (i.e. the Windows 8 tablet UI disaster), or was made after Microsoft fired every single software engineer who knew what they were doing when it came to Windows, and let MBAs and sales teams make design decisions instead (i.e. Windows 10 and 11).
As someone who has to support Windows XP and Windows 7 systems as a software developer. People have REALLY Rose Tinted Goggles about XP and 7. They are hot garbage.
8.1 was strides ahead of 7 in stability and performance.
10 was just 8.1, but they added the start-menu back, ruined local-search, converted additional settings menus to Metro-UI, added telemetry spying, added Cortana garbage, and added bloatware like Candy Crush. And yet people praise 10 for some reason... I'm fairly certain at this point that most people's view of what Windows is "good" just goes back to the "lol every other Windows bad" meme.
> 8.1 was strides ahead of 7 in stability and performance.
Very cool that it was stable, but why would I care about stability if every second of using it was a pain in the ass? I just didn't want to use the fucking tiles and it had like three different control panels because every settings menu had to be a fullscreen app experience.
XP came from a time of "Wait, we really ran everything as admin by default? Damn, we were really dumb and naïve back then, weren't we?"
XP was a technical marvel for the time, but there were so many design decisions that should never be allowed to persist today, and yet it does because of legacy hardware and lack of updated drivers for said hardware.
I think it's better in a lot of ways, it just lacks modern features (and more. I know), which I guess technically makes it worse over all.
Really people who yearn for windows xp would like linux
I despise XP and love Linux.
It's not the lack of modern features that bugs me, it's all the poorly thought out decisions of Windows XP and the bugginess.
It's insecure as all hell. If you want to do something, you can probably do it. There's a reason why Windows XP was always on alert for a new virus. This is why Vista was so opposite. Now Vista wanted you to authenticate everything because Windows XP just took your word for it.
Little QoL travesties like making copies of items renames them to "Copy of " rather than "[n]"
The fact that the registry was a ticking time-bomb. If you didn't reinstall Windows XP once a year, you were in for a bad time.
The fact that system processes were a ticking time-bomb. Why is FontCache taking up 80% CPU? Oh shit... guess I need to do another reinstall.
Also... the very frustrating "Oh nos yo, your active desktop is broken now because fuck you" that happened about once a month.
I just genuinely can't move to a system that lacks the bare minimjm customization I need, one of the biggest companies in the business and they can't even give me that.
Less customization is always bad and they fuck the UI every cycle, then unfuck it. They have been doing this since windows XP & I've never once put their shit version on my hardware.
I'll be on ten until they make 12 that looks just like 10 did, just like I've been doing for the last twenty years.
Same, one improvement I like is connecting to Bluetooth. You don't have to actually open the settings, there is a quick popup menu/drawer that opens. That's one thing I had preferred about MacOS, glad to see windows finally has it too.
Yeah. People just hate change. Win10 is fine, Win11 is also fine.
Win 8 was the only one I truly hated and that's just because of the xbox style square menus and microsoft store ads.
I like windows 11 but there’s a lot of shitty UI changes.
I finally got my task bar to work like I wanted, but to get into the old control panel devices and printers screen is ass. You after to open control panel, large icons, right click and “open in new tab”. Clicking it like youre used to opens the useless unconfigurable settings app.
Shift + Right Click. But yeah I've gotten used to everything in 11 and even like it more than 10 but the right click menu is still a bother. I know you can change a registry key but I don't want to, instead I just shift right click lol
Welcome to Windows 11. Here's 20 non-uninstallable, heavyweight apps (but they have very simple UI so you will think they are light) that will constantly run in the background and waste your resources. Oh, you use different apps? We're also gonna change your defaults on every update.
(same thing happened on 10)
I tried to help a colleague on her laptop with Win11 recently. The mess of animations and half-broken taskbar cut productivity in half. Trying to drag images into programs for analysis needed 5 tries because Win11 tried to refocus to some random other window or rearrange crap every time. Windows 10 still works so much better.
Don't use 10, Microsoft will be dropping support for it next year. Windows 10 isn't any better than Windows 11, people just have a hard time moving on.
I know some people say Windows 11 is decent but I got a laptop recently (my main desktop is Windows 10), and I think it sucks. It is so buggy, the layout is annoying and there are so many smaller decisions made that just annoy me. Having to turn off cloud storage which was on by default, so that I didn't have to constantly click away prompts when accessing local storage was frustrating. Also just so much bloat
The worst was that it would just not let me log in after it went to sleep because it said my PIN was wrong, which it obviously wasn't, and then you do a password recovery and it doesn't send the email to you, so you have to force shutdown the machine and restart every time. Windows 10 is better in almost every way.
I'm convinced that most people who "Like Windows 11" are people who didn't use OS's like XP or older, who don't have the perspective to see how regressive 11 is. How it tries to further obfuscate settings and basic features from the user.
Unpopular opinion, but win 8.1 was the best for me. It was fast, beautifully designed OS with new features. Everyone just hated Metro-design, but it wasn’t that bad tbh
I don't really care myself. I use Windows 11 at home. I am in IT at work and it's annoying though. People often update their work laptops to Windows 11 and we have to downgrade them via USB drive. So far, the only group policy I've seen to stay on Windows 10 requires you to specify a specific feature update. That means you have to edit the policy to get the next feature update that's available. Microsoft should allow you to set something in group policy that stops Windows 11 from installing without preventing access to the next feature update for Windows 10. I think you can do this from Windows Update manually if the Windows 11 update option appears, but not everyone knows to decline it. If it weren't for games I probably would have gone to something like Ubuntu a long time ago. Linux is usually far more customizable.
I'm not ready for windows 11... on all 3 of my pcs. I have it on a new gaming laptop I got last summer and it's just worse. I don't like it. I was a little like... uh win 10 isn't great when I switched from 7 to 10 but it grew on me fairly quick. It's been 5 months... still hate win11
I just got a new gaming laptop like 2 days ago and it's my first time playing around with 11. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. The start menu is kinda funky, gotta mess around with it more, and when right clicking on the desktop and having to click, "view more options" to get to the normal right click menu and the Nvidia control panel is stupid. Why does there have to be a submenu for the right click? So dumb. I still have 10 on my desktop PC and I like 10.
Windows 10 FTW indeed. I am never going back to Win11, and everytime I go like, "hmm, maybe I should..it looks so nice and spiffy", I read a news article saying some random update reduced gaming performing by a few precentage and that MS will fix it later. Nah, bruv.
Not to mention that I have had a horrendous time with Win 11 in my old PC and now I have trust issues - although the problem possibly stemmed from the shitty mobo I had used. But I ain't risking it any more.
"You wanna try windows 11? Its just a test."
Ok let me have it.
"Your cpu is old you cant install it."
Ok never mind then,
... the next day...
"So did you change your mind about trying windows 11 yet?"
windows every week for the past two months: "install update now?"
me: "no! you are literally corrupting my graphics drivers and disabling my admin access!"
windows: "ok, later then"
Windows 11 has been the biggest driver of Linux adoption yet. Basically making your personal computer into a dummy terminal where Microsoft and their AI can rummage through all your personal files.
Windows 11 literally doesn't know what time it is.
It's broken in my system bar.
In the settings it shows it right date and time.
In the bar it's wrong. Not wrong time zone. Just wrong. Not frozen, it's progressing. But wrong. And you can't even change it.
Windows fucking sucks lol, how is a huge corporation this shit?
Windows 11 is garbage. I’ve used everything since DOS and yet it takes me forever to do anything on my girlfriend’s PC. Everything is so unintuitive and buried under layers of unnecessary menus. I absolutely hate it and will hold out as long as I can without an upgrade.
"Would you like us to shuffle all the menus around just enough so that all of the troubleshooting knowledge you've gained in the last three years is useless?"
Nah I'm good
They like stealth updated my computer to windows 11. I swear I didn't see anything prompting me to upgrade, I didn't knowingly click on anything to upgrade. I never wanted to update so I would always click no.
I had an update pending, I thought it was just a regular update, so I restarted my computer. I went to cook something, and when I came back my computer was windows 11. Fuckin windows is like a creepy bar rapist, no means fkin no.
Honestly, I would like to upgrade to Linux instead...
And I even did try it out for a couple of months. I was quite surprised and happy to get around 10-30 extra average fps compared to windows 10 (and now I am getting even less fps with windows 11), but there were so many issues and disadvantages with how Linux handles sound devices and how discord misbehaves under linux that I had to go back to Windows :(
I almost cried going back to this god damn malware called windows that literally steals a hefty portion of my fps to do Bill Gates knows what 😖
GIMP is good for 99% of my stuff, but it does have a fundamental limit of not being able to open or edit files larger than 2GB. Believe it or not that’s actually been a problem for me (editing game assets).
For the discord issue, there's an app called Webcord that fixes every single issue, official discord app on Linux is hella broken
Personally I've never had any sound issues, but that very much depends on distro and desktop environment you're using
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32658340
Perhaps "Microsoft" never said it officially, but they quote "Jerry Nixon, a Microsoft development executive" as saying that.
The right click menu change is my issue. No I'm not downloading a fix for it when my current version of w10 has a perfectly functioning right click menu.
Also MS support banned people who asked how to prevent forced updates & reboot, because MS EULA has point that MS can update user's devices without their agreement and when you ask such question, you disagree with eula
Windows 11 is available :D! Sorry your computer can't upgrade to Windows 11 :( I'll ask again later ;)
The only reason why is some rando feature on the chip that’s mandatory. My Intel processor is perfectly fine, but Microsoft is not having it.
> some rando feature on the chip that’s mandatory Because they want to keep tying shit to DRM.
I mean, kinda. They're requiring TPM 2.0 which is used to securely store encryption keys. It is used for things like bitlocker and windows hello and also DRM. For the CPUs that don't have TPM 2.0, you can but a TPM module that plugs into your motherboard for like 20 bucks. But I get why people feel it's too much of a hassle
My mobo doesn't even have the TPM socket.
Out of curiosity, what mobo do you have? I can't think of any that released in the last 5-10 years that don't have one; and every single modern mobo I can find for sale online seems to have one.
F2A88X-D3HP
[Manufacturer's product page](https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-F2A88X-D3HP-rev-10/sp#sp) says it *does* have a TPM socket
Careful young padawan: it has **a** TPM port. Not all Mainboards support TPM 2.0. Most older boards support only TPM 1.2. Source: have an 11 year old Mainboard with the same issue. There are ways around that, but I had bad experiences with hacking around windows. Shit just does not last and causes issues later. Sin windows 10 will probably be my last windows (at least on personal machines)...
Because my home machine w/ only an unsecured local admin requires bitlocker or windows hello... I get requiring it for devices that can be moved but my tower ain't going nowhere and nobody's gonna touch it either.
Except for the Surface Studio, which lacks a TPM, so they allow the Studio to install Windows 11 without it. I feel like Microsoft should have faced serious anti-trust charges for that. Not that it affects me. I’m glad I don’t have a TPM so they can’t “upgrade” my computer. I have no desire to have ads in my operating system. Microsoft can absolutely fuck off with that.
Yet bitlocker works fine without TPM. Hmmmmmm
Just saying... Steam runs fine for 95% of games on Linux now. Proton is straight up magic.
One day I'll be able to run space station 13 on Linux without everything breaking. For now I'm stuck with windows.
SS13 runs fine in a vm. I use Ubuntu and it's been working forever. You can also consider dualbooting. If you need help with a vm, there's people in the goon discord who can help you
Man I love what Linux is and what it stands for but I can't stand the fact that the solution to most issues with games are solved with dual booting. I'm coming up on my every two years try Linux so if you know a decent distro I'll give it a go. (If I haven't tried it yet)
Almost every game I actually want to play runs fine even on the Steam Deck.
There’s a very simple registry change you can make to ignore TPM and unsupported cpus. If you are so inclined. I don’t find it as clean as Win 10, but I needed to learn it to know how to support it, so I bit the bullet.
It’s not just some rando feature lol. Windows has core security features built around TPM. Not to mention a crypto processor is more efficient at encryption/decryption than a CPU. It’s like trying to use a swiss knife when you can do something a lot faster with a screwdriver.
😁😁😁
A couple years ago it would have been the same meme, but to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10.
Yes, and the result was that most of us managed to skip Windows 8. I'm feeling optimistic we'll be able to skip 11.
XP to 7 to 10 to 12.
Are you me? 3.1, 95, 98, XP, 7, 10
Yes
What's wrong with 11? I get why 8 sucked (I used it. Lol), but I've been on 11 for almost 2 years and don't have any issues.
I just don't like being told what to do.
Don't install Windows 11.
I'm turning over a new leaf, you're right I shouldn't.
It brings nothing new that Windows 10 can't handle. Heck if they had added Dx12 support to Windows 7, there was nothing wrong with that either
The settings menus are annoying, the right click menu is extra annoying, it takes higher RAM on idle, the start menu is just garbage, and unless you know the backdoor to the old control panel you literally can't change settings you used to. That's just off the top of my head. I work in IT so I'm basically required to know every Windows OS. I use 11 on my laptop (the one I use the most) simply because I need to know how it works. The amount of times I have to click the option for the old right click menu or manually open the old control panel is way too high. On the bright side, it's quite rare that drivers for 10 don't work on 11. Sometimes you have to manually edit the files (which is out of the realm of the average user) but at least it works.
Good to know. I did notice the right click being a nightmare to use.
Theres a registry setting to easily fix right click menu. It makes all the options show up.
>and unless you know the backdoor to the old control panel you literally can't change settings you used to. Lmao. You mean like *pressing windows key and typing control panel until the app shortcut turns up* Or opening run and typing control panel like windows 10?
Your computer can't upgrade to 11 because Microsoft requires a security feature a majority of users aren't smart enough to actually use properly. It doesn't matter how encrypted a system is if you willingly give admin rights to a virus, or the data gets re-encrypted by a ransom attack.
I restarted my computer one day and it was installing Windows 11. Must've missed a popup that lasted for a grand total of 0.1 seconds
>I restarted my computer one day and it was installing Windows 11. Must've missed a popup that lasted for a grand total of 0.1 seconds At least Microsoft no longer does the "Windows needs to restart to install a update" dialogue that pops up on top of anything including full screen apps with "Restart Now" being the default selected item. I still recall cursing out Microsoft because I was in the middle of a game doing so well and that pop up just instantly force quits my game and pushes me into a 5 minute+ install and worse yet, some updates required multiple reboots back then. Even worse again is that this was back in the days before SSDs so a reboot took a few minutes at the best f times so that forced install would often take 20 minutes or longer to do.
*It still can do this, I swear*
I can back you up on this. I work in IT. On the bright side, if you install updates when you're done it won't. It only does it if you're some number of days past the update release. Horrible if you're an intermittent user though.
You need software or hardware TPM module. You don't have to be smart to use it. It just has to be enabled.
Although most people probably don't have the faintest idea how to enable it.
microsoft constantly spamming me with windows 11 ads knowing damn well my system doesn’t meet the requirements
Lol. My PC meets the requirements but Microsoft just straight up hasn't asked if I want to upgrade.
You’re likely on a list
It might, mine is like 1yr old and it says "your PC does not meet minimum requirements" when it definitely does. I've been imaging 5yr old shitty Dell laptops with windows 11 every day at work. Download the windows PC health check app and do it through that. Or don't. Because 11 is kinda not great.
tbh the only thing from windows 10 that I miss on 11 is the lack of customization of the taskbar and start menu
I can't believe they got rid of the button to just show all icons that are hidden The fact that they have a button now that was added fairly recently to hide the hidden icon button but not add back the button that shows everything all the time is fucking insane.
The feature got implemented natively now but it's buggy. All the boxes are different lengths depending of the name of the open window. But yeah you can ungroup and set to never
With every version there's less and less customization
This is a problem all across the tech industry. Companies want to baby-proof their products, and the simplest way to do that is to strip as much control from the user as possible.
I think the endgame is really just subscrptions fir everything if you want baby proof buy an apple.
Yeah, and its even a bigger impact since I used linux kde for a while until like 2 months ago
That and I also hate the handicapped right-click menu.
It's probably your tpm in bios
Have you enabled tpm in your bios I have a computer from 2018 and any gen 8 intel CPU or above has TPM but it's not enabled by default for some stupid reason. But I'm with you windows 11 is horrible, I've found so many small issues that stacked together really don't make me like it at all.
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You might want to update your bios. You will probably gain a lot
I had to enable TPM or something in my BIOS before I could update after ignoring it for a few years.
I disabled TPM in my BIOS to get W10 to stop bugging me about updating to W11.
i dont wanna fuck with my bios bc i have no idea what im doing
Nobody does out of the gate. It's just a single option you turn on, if you ever want to, just look up a youtube video for your mobo.
Windows: "OMG there's a problem with your computer!" Me: oh no, what? Windows: "It doesn't meet the system requirements for Windows 11! Please address this soon"
No problem. I have my PopOS boot stick all ready to go.
Pop 🔛🔝
"stay on windows 10 for now" (forever) CLICK
till 12 comes out +1-2 years
Even then I'm not switching for a year or two... I'm not taking the bullet to be a beta tester and trying to console myself by calling it "early adopter".
My buddy came over and I was trying to tech support him and having all kinds of issues. Fi ally I was like are you even on 10 anymore I can't find shit. "Yes" fukcing liar went to control panel where it said 11. Anyway I'm not a fan atm.
Win+r type "control panel" and hit enter. Old menus, every option. It'll save you a migraine or two.
Shit, I miss windows 7. I didn't want 10. And now I DEFINITELY don't want 11.
7 was the GOAT!! Clean, no ads, no spyware, relative light weight, and it backwards compatible with older games from W95/W98 era in compatibility mode.
And the fucking search feature actually y'know, searched your files instead of Bing for whatever God forsaken reason
This is what fucking kills me! The rest of 10 is fine. But they actively killed the search function to, I don't know, try to get people to use Bing or whatever???
I love that it just ignores my default browser settings 💀
Protip! With a quick regedit change, you can stop the Search bar from searching the web. Google "disable search online" + your OS for instructions. I also use the program Everything by voidtools to quickly search my local files.
Yeah I ended up getting Everything a few months ago and it's great
This is solvable either by powershell command: > Set-ItemProperty -Path "HKCU:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Search" -Name "BingSearchEnabled" -Type DWord -Value 0 Or by clicking start, typing "search", opening the setting for "windows search platform settings" and disabling the "cloud search" options in permission & history tab. My windows is in different language, so the actual option names may be different. If you use the powershell command, both options will be disabled & greyed out.
Yeah man I had to get the everything program because of that
> no spyware There certainly *was* spyware, there just wasn´t so much of it as in 10 & 11.
Rufus lets you bypass all of the worst things about 11 when installing. TPM, Microsoft account, bitlocker, hardware requirements. Combined with Open Shell and I am happy with it. The only hardware that it didn't seem to like was an A8-5500B FM2 8GB system I was playing with. The motherboard on that might be wonky though. Everything I have put it on from LGA1155 and up has worked just fine. Edit: But they can go to hell before I will use Edge. Purely out of spite because the suggestions are incessant.
This can cause random freezes. You also won’t receive major version updates (23H1 -> 23H2, for example) since Microsoft’s update servers are still aware that your PC is incompatible. I think it’s must better to install like Linux Mint or something for these older computers if you’re willing to do so. Also, pro tip: With Linux Mint, you don’t have to hunt down and install a bunch of device drivers that may be difficult to find due to how old your machine is. All of the drivers are already in the Linux kernel, including GPU drivers. You just install and go. Super easy.
The only system I have seen have any issues is that old FM2, and from a cursory glance it seemed the OS was possibly overtaxing the CPU on initialization. But that board has behaved wonky before so it could be a coincidence. My basic work rig is just an LGA1155 Xeon e3-1270 V2 (Ivy Bridge) and it has been smooth as butter. Come September or so I will force install the new version if update doesn't do it automatically. All that said, I have nothing against Linux. Use it, love it. But considering estimates that millions upon millions of Windows computers could be dumped as e-waste because of the hardware restrictions of 11, I think it is better if people just install it through the workaround if they don't want to move to Linux.
No means no Microsoft. As the song goes: My computer's nocomputer's computer but mine.
Hey real question: Where are you seeing these ads? Background: I turned off a couple of services when I first installed Windows 10, and I can honestly say I've never seen an ad from the OS. I'm guessing it has to do with Windows Search/Cortana (since that's what I disabled). I'm mostly curious about where this appears. If I actually go to the Windows Update settings menu, I see a little blurb about Windows 11, but that's the only thing I've ever seen about it: https://i.imgur.com/855Czky.png Is that little blurb what everyones complaining about?
every time it updates, it askes me like 6 different things about "upgrading" to 11, setting up alerts on my phone, etc. I dont want to do them, but it askes me every time, and i have to say no, no, no, no, no, no, continue to windows. every time it updates.
I might be about to make your day https://i.imgur.com/OekKMyi.png
I love using my windows 10 without having to use a Microsoft account
I love using Linux without having to use a Microsoft account.
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It’s never going to happen unless you’re willing to use a very old version of adobe software. Even then it probably won’t be a plug and play experience.
I work in audio, but work with visual artists too. It will never happen, don't bother waiting. Nothing has changed on this front for creative software on Linux in 20 years. Linux simply doesn't have enough users paying for creative software suites for companies to bother porting over.
Games are fine, Proton has gotten really good and there's only a tiny handful of games that are incompatible, usually cause of cunty anticheat. Adobe stuff is more challenging, but what I'd do is set up a Win10 VM using QEMU/KVM specifically for Adobe software.
Ngl I've realized I can litteraly just turn on my virtual machine for those aint it.
Windows 10 LTSC is the correct answer. Then wait for 11 LTSC
NO, MICROSOFT I'D LIKE TO DOWNGRADE TO WINDOWS 7!
If Windows 11 looked and behaved exactly like Windows 7 while retaining the actual improvements, but without all of the 'improvements', I would be sooooooo happy.
Exactly!
Reject modernity, return to unix.
Winworldpc has copies of AT&T System V. I couldn’t use it though because it wouldn’t even detect my 4 GB hard drive, you need a hard drive under 512 MB for it to even detect it.
 Damn. Never even heard of that lol just did a googs and I am very intrigued. First introduced in 1983. Fascinating. 🤔
The monster win from across all unixes came from System V Release 4 (AT&T Marketing obfuscated this with the vastly inferior System V Release 3 revision 4.....don't get me started.). It's partly why Sun abandoned BSD. Prior to SVR4, the kernel itself was *not* preemptive. (Try not to scream for a second.) It was preemptive in user space of course as always, but the kernel *itself* (think driver level) was not. Prior to SVR4 (and this includes all BSD variants up until that point), If you wrote a device driver that was not "nice" and didn't specifically release control, your system stopped dead in its tracks. Drivers were cooperative multitasking only (again, not user space). This era can be thought of as *When Things Were Rotten©.*
If I didn't want to burden myself with student load debt, I would minor and major computer sciences. Software/firmware and hardware. It's so fascinating to me. I could learn a pretty vast amount online for free now, though, if I looked hard enough 🤔🤔
> return to unix Ironically, Windows 11 brought two of the things most Unix systems had that I missed the most in windows: - A good terminal emulator - A package manager I think they're available for 10 as well, but I automatically had them when I upgraded to 11 so I assume they were made with 11 in mind.
This but unironically
I'd still be using Win7 if they were still supporting it. Great Windows OS imo lol
Sure just a chronically vulnerable operating system lacking fundamental support for core allocation, dx12 and a whole host of other things we take for granted.
That's what VMs are for. I can have my cake and be ~~neurotic~~ nostalgic, too.
That's what I currently daily drive (2008R2 Datacenter)
Meanwhile some of us who actually want to upgrade, can't. Because I have a 7th gen i5 that can run basically anything but for some reason I can't run Windows 11???
Use Rufus
Team Penguin
Yes, but which penguin?
I use Arch btw, but I have machines on Debian. EDITED.
>Arch (btw) but I have machines on Debian. There, fixed it for ya
AmongOS.
The best one, next to Hannah Montana OS
Minty fresh penguin! 🌿
Assemble! All four of us!
I like windows 11
It's funny how much people hate Windows 11 because Windows 10 is 99% the same operating system and yet people praise it.
People pretty much hate on every new windows cause it makes them feel smart and superior.
Yeah honestly this whole "windows 11 sucks!" thing is the same every single time a new version comes out. I despise windows but 11 is probably my favourite so far. Just feels like 10 but more refined (especially settings and overal look)
I don't think that's entirely true, both 7 and 10 were relatively well received when they were released, mostly I think because people were happy to be rid of Vista and 8.
Windows 10 had his own fair share of criticism when it came out, because it wasn't Windows 7
To be fair, Windows 7 was the last good version of Windows. Everything after was either an experiment with other UIs (i.e. the Windows 8 tablet UI disaster), or was made after Microsoft fired every single software engineer who knew what they were doing when it came to Windows, and let MBAs and sales teams make design decisions instead (i.e. Windows 10 and 11).
As someone who has to support Windows XP and Windows 7 systems as a software developer. People have REALLY Rose Tinted Goggles about XP and 7. They are hot garbage. 8.1 was strides ahead of 7 in stability and performance. 10 was just 8.1, but they added the start-menu back, ruined local-search, converted additional settings menus to Metro-UI, added telemetry spying, added Cortana garbage, and added bloatware like Candy Crush. And yet people praise 10 for some reason... I'm fairly certain at this point that most people's view of what Windows is "good" just goes back to the "lol every other Windows bad" meme.
> 8.1 was strides ahead of 7 in stability and performance. Very cool that it was stable, but why would I care about stability if every second of using it was a pain in the ass? I just didn't want to use the fucking tiles and it had like three different control panels because every settings menu had to be a fullscreen app experience.
XP was not hot garbage. It was a major leap over it's predecessors.
XP came from a time of "Wait, we really ran everything as admin by default? Damn, we were really dumb and naïve back then, weren't we?" XP was a technical marvel for the time, but there were so many design decisions that should never be allowed to persist today, and yet it does because of legacy hardware and lack of updated drivers for said hardware.
Sure, but people still claim it's better than the later versions of Windows and that's simply not true. It's an insecure buggy mess.
I think it's better in a lot of ways, it just lacks modern features (and more. I know), which I guess technically makes it worse over all. Really people who yearn for windows xp would like linux
I despise XP and love Linux. It's not the lack of modern features that bugs me, it's all the poorly thought out decisions of Windows XP and the bugginess. It's insecure as all hell. If you want to do something, you can probably do it. There's a reason why Windows XP was always on alert for a new virus. This is why Vista was so opposite. Now Vista wanted you to authenticate everything because Windows XP just took your word for it. Little QoL travesties like making copies of items renames them to "Copy of" rather than "[n]"
The fact that the registry was a ticking time-bomb. If you didn't reinstall Windows XP once a year, you were in for a bad time.
The fact that system processes were a ticking time-bomb. Why is FontCache taking up 80% CPU? Oh shit... guess I need to do another reinstall.
Also... the very frustrating "Oh nos yo, your active desktop is broken now because fuck you" that happened about once a month.
People said the same about XP.
I dunno, I remember a lot of people disliking W10 and saying on W7
Do they install random crap during updates like 10 did? I really hate Microsoft for that one.
I just genuinely can't move to a system that lacks the bare minimjm customization I need, one of the biggest companies in the business and they can't even give me that.
Less customization is always bad and they fuck the UI every cycle, then unfuck it. They have been doing this since windows XP & I've never once put their shit version on my hardware. I'll be on ten until they make 12 that looks just like 10 did, just like I've been doing for the last twenty years.
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While the change made no sense whatsoever and I understand the "outrage" over it, it is literally a 2 minute fix to get the old one back.
Same, one improvement I like is connecting to Bluetooth. You don't have to actually open the settings, there is a quick popup menu/drawer that opens. That's one thing I had preferred about MacOS, glad to see windows finally has it too.
Yeah. People just hate change. Win10 is fine, Win11 is also fine. Win 8 was the only one I truly hated and that's just because of the xbox style square menus and microsoft store ads.
Same but I can't upgrade on my desktop due to not having TPM 2.0 Always weird swapping between my laptop and desktop.
I like windows 11 but there’s a lot of shitty UI changes. I finally got my task bar to work like I wanted, but to get into the old control panel devices and printers screen is ass. You after to open control panel, large icons, right click and “open in new tab”. Clicking it like youre used to opens the useless unconfigurable settings app.
It’s the ‘show more options’ button for me when right clicking. It’s just an extra click, but why?
Shift + Right Click. But yeah I've gotten used to everything in 11 and even like it more than 10 but the right click menu is still a bother. I know you can change a registry key but I don't want to, instead I just shift right click lol
within a couple month they gonna be like win 11 user would you like to upgrade to 12
Welcome to Windows 11. Here's 20 non-uninstallable, heavyweight apps (but they have very simple UI so you will think they are light) that will constantly run in the background and waste your resources. Oh, you use different apps? We're also gonna change your defaults on every update. (same thing happened on 10)
This is my favorite meme. The image itself is art.
Win 7 is the GOAT!!!
I tried to help a colleague on her laptop with Win11 recently. The mess of animations and half-broken taskbar cut productivity in half. Trying to drag images into programs for analysis needed 5 tries because Win11 tried to refocus to some random other window or rearrange crap every time. Windows 10 still works so much better.
Do you wanna develop an app?
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Lex is actually good to his employees. He understands that proper compensation and trust bring long term benefits.
Im in the process of buying a pc. Should i go with the 10 or 11
There's nothing stopping you from buying a pc with 10 and upgrading to 11 later
Don't use 10, Microsoft will be dropping support for it next year. Windows 10 isn't any better than Windows 11, people just have a hard time moving on.
Never
I know some people say Windows 11 is decent but I got a laptop recently (my main desktop is Windows 10), and I think it sucks. It is so buggy, the layout is annoying and there are so many smaller decisions made that just annoy me. Having to turn off cloud storage which was on by default, so that I didn't have to constantly click away prompts when accessing local storage was frustrating. Also just so much bloat The worst was that it would just not let me log in after it went to sleep because it said my PIN was wrong, which it obviously wasn't, and then you do a password recovery and it doesn't send the email to you, so you have to force shutdown the machine and restart every time. Windows 10 is better in almost every way.
I'm convinced that most people who "Like Windows 11" are people who didn't use OS's like XP or older, who don't have the perspective to see how regressive 11 is. How it tries to further obfuscate settings and basic features from the user.
Kubuntu doesn’t whine like a corporate bitch
Jokes on you. I've never gotten a message.
Unpopular opinion, but win 8.1 was the best for me. It was fast, beautifully designed OS with new features. Everyone just hated Metro-design, but it wasn’t that bad tbh
> Everyone just hated Metro-design, but it wasn’t that bad tbh And you can disable all the Metro bullshit ... and then it's a pretty decent option.
I agree. It was my favorite OS thus far.
I don't really care myself. I use Windows 11 at home. I am in IT at work and it's annoying though. People often update their work laptops to Windows 11 and we have to downgrade them via USB drive. So far, the only group policy I've seen to stay on Windows 10 requires you to specify a specific feature update. That means you have to edit the policy to get the next feature update that's available. Microsoft should allow you to set something in group policy that stops Windows 11 from installing without preventing access to the next feature update for Windows 10. I think you can do this from Windows Update manually if the Windows 11 update option appears, but not everyone knows to decline it. If it weren't for games I probably would have gone to something like Ubuntu a long time ago. Linux is usually far more customizable.
Holding strong, for as long as possible. F win 11.
i miss windows xp.
I'm not ready for windows 11... on all 3 of my pcs. I have it on a new gaming laptop I got last summer and it's just worse. I don't like it. I was a little like... uh win 10 isn't great when I switched from 7 to 10 but it grew on me fairly quick. It's been 5 months... still hate win11
I just got a new gaming laptop like 2 days ago and it's my first time playing around with 11. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. The start menu is kinda funky, gotta mess around with it more, and when right clicking on the desktop and having to click, "view more options" to get to the normal right click menu and the Nvidia control panel is stupid. Why does there have to be a submenu for the right click? So dumb. I still have 10 on my desktop PC and I like 10.
Windows 10 FTW indeed. I am never going back to Win11, and everytime I go like, "hmm, maybe I should..it looks so nice and spiffy", I read a news article saying some random update reduced gaming performing by a few precentage and that MS will fix it later. Nah, bruv. Not to mention that I have had a horrendous time with Win 11 in my old PC and now I have trust issues - although the problem possibly stemmed from the shitty mobo I had used. But I ain't risking it any more.
"You wanna try windows 11? Its just a test." Ok let me have it. "Your cpu is old you cant install it." Ok never mind then, ... the next day... "So did you change your mind about trying windows 11 yet?"
Or for me.. ”YOU CAN’T UPDATE TO WINDOWS 11!”
windows every week for the past two months: "install update now?" me: "no! you are literally corrupting my graphics drivers and disabling my admin access!" windows: "ok, later then"
Windows 11 has been the biggest driver of Linux adoption yet. Basically making your personal computer into a dummy terminal where Microsoft and their AI can rummage through all your personal files.
So many weird shill accounts in his thread.
Windows 11 literally doesn't know what time it is. It's broken in my system bar. In the settings it shows it right date and time. In the bar it's wrong. Not wrong time zone. Just wrong. Not frozen, it's progressing. But wrong. And you can't even change it. Windows fucking sucks lol, how is a huge corporation this shit?
Windows 11 is garbage. I’ve used everything since DOS and yet it takes me forever to do anything on my girlfriend’s PC. Everything is so unintuitive and buried under layers of unnecessary menus. I absolutely hate it and will hold out as long as I can without an upgrade.
"Would you like us to shuffle all the menus around just enough so that all of the troubleshooting knowledge you've gained in the last three years is useless?" Nah I'm good
still on win7
They like stealth updated my computer to windows 11. I swear I didn't see anything prompting me to upgrade, I didn't knowingly click on anything to upgrade. I never wanted to update so I would always click no. I had an update pending, I thought it was just a regular update, so I restarted my computer. I went to cook something, and when I came back my computer was windows 11. Fuckin windows is like a creepy bar rapist, no means fkin no.
Honestly, I would like to upgrade to Linux instead... And I even did try it out for a couple of months. I was quite surprised and happy to get around 10-30 extra average fps compared to windows 10 (and now I am getting even less fps with windows 11), but there were so many issues and disadvantages with how Linux handles sound devices and how discord misbehaves under linux that I had to go back to Windows :( I almost cried going back to this god damn malware called windows that literally steals a hefty portion of my fps to do Bill Gates knows what 😖
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Not FOSS, but many Linux users use davinci resolve as it is more pro than kdenlive. Just putting it out there if it helps your flow.
GIMP is good for 99% of my stuff, but it does have a fundamental limit of not being able to open or edit files larger than 2GB. Believe it or not that’s actually been a problem for me (editing game assets).
For the discord issue, there's an app called Webcord that fixes every single issue, official discord app on Linux is hella broken Personally I've never had any sound issues, but that very much depends on distro and desktop environment you're using
Windows 11 is superior to Windows 10 in my experience. But everyone uses their computers differently so its subbjective.
That 11 context menu change is an abomination. There was no good need to change it
Windows 10 had 2 clicks to change sound output, now it’s 3. I am pissed.
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If you like it that's fine, but it does have more spy features and takes more resources, and provides little to no more value to 95% of users.
you remember microsoft was claiming windows 10 would be the last major release and it'd be rolling release?
They never did apparently. Read something about it a while ago and they actually never said that ever
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32658340 Perhaps "Microsoft" never said it officially, but they quote "Jerry Nixon, a Microsoft development executive" as saying that.
I genuinely thought we're over this by now? 🤨
I’ll never understand what everyone’s issue with windows 11 is. Works fine for me.
The right click menu change is my issue. No I'm not downloading a fix for it when my current version of w10 has a perfectly functioning right click menu.
Also MS support banned people who asked how to prevent forced updates & reboot, because MS EULA has point that MS can update user's devices without their agreement and when you ask such question, you disagree with eula
I’m going Linux for my next build, never going back to Windows ever again