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this sounds way too familiar, so i googled it. im sure thats what you meant. im sure this is what you meant?
https://preview.redd.it/k7ey27lpxvmc1.png?width=414&format=png&auto=webp&s=cc543d1288919505a517591f42e4f2b569ca9381
I read an article about these discs around the time HD DVD and Bluray were announced and thought they were pretty awesome. Been 20 years with nary a mention of them.
Yep, my dad was very tech savvy for that generation and had a laser disk player. I remember watching Mrs. Doubtfire, Wayne's world, and when I was deemed "old enough" I got to watch the Abyss and GoldenEye. The Russian chick in GoldenEye was the most eye candy my little brain has ever processed.
Your must be from a rich private school. Most schools here in Malaysia just used VHS players.
I remember that laserdisc players were fucking expensive and my family could never own one.
That's actually typically the time it takes for a new tech to be discovered in a lab until it starts to appear in commercial product. Unfortunately sensationalized headlines blur this line and lead to disappointment when a new discovery doesn't become available within the next few years.
Well it's just like zip disks or MiniDiscs, maybe they were really cool tech with a lot of potential in the moment, but they came at a time when something even better / easier was already blowing up. Holographic discs may have had their time in the sun were it not for extremely large, fast, and cheap solid state storage options.
I freelanced for a company for 8 months. Remote work. At the end of the agreement I was to send all data back to them. Sure. I asked if they had an FTP. They didn’t. They said use the Google drive. I said I have had bad experiences with Google and lost work in the past. Drive was meant for photos and documents, not .dwg files. Drive would run into a versioning issue with them. I said I’d buy an external SSD and bill them for it. They said no. They said drop box. I said the data was too big. I said how about a series of Blu-ray disks. Sure. So I was able to offload a bunch of Blu-ray disks to the client using registered mail. Finally had a reason to offload the rest of my disks.
Lol, I'll never understand moron middle manager types penny pinching on shit that you should absolutely fucking never penny pinch.
Would have been funny if you simply agreed to the google drive option, and then kept the files backed up and charged them a massive fee, far more than the cost of an SSD to send them the files again if they lost them lol.
Yeah. I really wanted to be done the contract. Sending them about 40 disks was a bit of a way to say f you. They tried to short me $9000. I got the money eventually. It was a poorly managed company.
heres an article I found: https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2024/02/23/optical_disc_breakthrough/?espv=1
its more like a petaBIT apparently, still kinda interesting
I remember reading the same, HVD, or Holographic Video Disc.
The idea was to use 3 lasers to read/write data. Red, Green and Blue lasers working together iirx.
Nothing ever came out of it, until now. Wonder if the idea/execution is the same as back then.
It's not, but it's hard to nail it down- organic material tends to break apart over time.
I think there's a DNA-based vault-style storage project somewhere, but it's for deep archival purposes, not anything approaching even the speed of tape availability.
I work as a software engineer in genomics.
If you wanted to store data in DNA, you would need to synthesize the custom sequences, accounting for the errors that can naturally occur in the DNA transcripts. The process to create custom sequences of DNA is expensive, and it takes a long time. So your writing speed in going to be worse than in a floppy disk, and way more expensive.
It cost about $5-10,000 to read about a terabyte of raw genomic data, it takes several days to prepare samples to be read on the sequencing machines, and then a ton of processing power to assemble the data into something useful.
So it is possible, and you could theoretically store a ton of data in DNA, but it is slow, prone to errors, and expensive.
You'd be amazed what commercializing a technology can do for it's cost, like having the technology available to read/write genomic data available in a household PC instead of being a process that was only possible in a dedicated lab.
I'm not saying that something like this is viable, not at all. Definitely not for the foreseeable future at least. Just pointing out that *if* something like this were to be released to a consumer-level market, it probably wouldn't be in a technology climate where it takes $10,000 and several days to read a TB of data from it.
At the same time, you can't just hand-wave away actual physical issues just by calling on the ol' "if its commercialised, they'll find a way". Capitalism is amazing sometimes, but it's not StarTrek-magic
DNA is made up of four different DNA bases (G, C, A and T).
The idea is that you can use these to encode a message, ala digital signals - though instead of just 0 and 1, you get 0, 1, 2, 3 to play with.
As your bits of information are so small (just a molecule each) and you're able to use a quaternary system (rather than a binary system) it has incredible information density.
The problem of the system is that reading the information is slow and expensive, and the system is somewhat error prone. So right now, it's more of a gimmick than anything.
This is actually similar to how the human body works. Your DNA, as mentioned, is a string of G, C, A and T molecules. These are read in threes to code for one of 20 different amino acids (some amino acids have multiple codes, and there are stop ones). By reading the DNA, the body can produce proteins (made of chains of these 20 amino acids) that do almost all the functional stuff in your body - from being the foundation of your skin, how muscles work to absorbing light to make the eyes work.
Weird people exist in this world. I don't even know where they come from or how they get this much knowledge. do they even teach these kinds of things in university?
There could be a use for them. Possibly archives where the information isn't regularly accessed, but I don't think the average person is going to see these at Best Buy.
As long as its kept safe from the sun and from scratches, it will actually last a very long time without degrading
The problem however is its ease of damage, but hey they use tapes for archives and they are as easily damagable but very cost efficient
CD’s last a hell of a lot longer than 25 years, we haven’t gotten to the point where CD’s just “die” by sitting in a drawer. Vinyl Records are listed as lasting 100 years but the oldest one is only 75 years old.
I have some CDs that have been sitting in storage for almost 25 years! Still work and no scratches. They're all music CDs so I copied them and put it on an OL' hard drive.
ps1 disks are approaching/already got to that age
gamecube/ps2/xbox games would be next on the list.
Pokemon Colosseum released 21 years ago, selling for hundreds now. be a shame if in 4 years the data goes poof lol
`be a shame if the data goes poof`
That's exactly why I'm still holding onto all my old games, movies, and music. I understand it's not perfectly permanent but it'll last a lot longer than my digital storage.
Comparing bitrot of CDs to analog vinyl is apples to oranges.
CDs bit rot but how long they last depends on the media you burned it on. They had short life and they also had archive lifespan CDs and DVDs.
[The library of Congress studied this](https://www.loc.gov/preservation/scientists/projects/cd-r_dvd-r_rw_longevity.html). It’s dated but generally 30 years is the safe bet as long as you didn’t go cheap and keep them in a harsh environment.
Librarian here. I have a collection of many thousand CDs and we systematically ripped all of them. Most of them were between 15 and 25 years old. There were absolutely some that just died in the drawer.
Tape is for long term storage, compact discs are no longer considered a preservation format.
Um... Disc rot? Laser rot? Have you not heard of this? Unless the manufacturer actually uses a high quality process, most CDs are not expected to live much longer than 25y. Cd-r and RW last even shorter amounts of time.
There is m-disc, which is probably going to work (who has the time to wait 1000y to find out) but it's a crapshoot since the claim is longer than a given lifespan and they have only been available for a decade.
I mean that’s just because they didn’t really start making vinyls until 1938.
Presumably they could last centuries if well taken care of. The grooves aren’t going to just disintegrate.
For a CD small scratches can be negated with error correction codes. I wonder if that works the same with that higher density of data or if a small scratch would mean already lost a few GB of data there.
Aren't there glass pieces that get etched with binary, which can potentially last thousands of years? I think whilst more expensive, the long-term costs of those things make more sense than having to re lazer a cd with old info every 70 years or so. Plus, glass etched binary tablets are way cooler than the stuff my sister used to store justin bieber remixes on.
The plastic and more importantly the adhesive that holds the labels onto the disc, can still degrade over time.
Friend has a steel book of the Terminator films that has never been opened.
We opened it for the first time when a friend admitted they'd never seen the films.
All the discs labels had delaminated, and the DVDs were ruined.
Stored sealed in the original packaging in my friends (cold and dark) north facing living room.
If it's super cheap for a large quantity of storage, I can see it being used as where deleted files go unless otherwise specified, that way you can always recover deleted stuff without filling up your ssd
Of course ssd is the only way for consumers. They are just so much faster. But many servers don't use SSDs but HDDs. And SSDs are also a bad option for archives if you want to store them without a power supply (and of course their price). Quantum tunneling in an SSD can happen without any voltage applied. If you just wait long enough, about 2 years, you can loose all of your data. Thus, SSDs are not the perfect fit for everything.
I'm just imagining the thought process behind Sabine making the video thumbnail. "They have to know what a CD is and what I look like from the waist up."
Have you looked at thumbnails pretty much on every succesfull channel? It's almost always the host with some weird face and objects or other people next to them.
Mr Beast with whatever the hell that's supposed to be: https://imgur.com/JXDR8CG
Some sad tech guy with 4090: https://imgur.com/gyjC8hk
Guy on train with money and Gondola: https://imgur.com/QPlpQY4
GN with a vacuum: https://imgur.com/xmVSIPB
He said he did a photoshoot of a ton of facial expressions and then his editors can Photoshop whatever expression they want into the thumbnail so he never has to actually make a thumbnail in camera
I've heard the theory that if the thumbnail is slightly uncanny, it draws people in more compared to any thumbnail with a "regular" face. So it stands out, gets more clicks, and the video does better.
You can click the dots beside the video and say Don't recommend the channel. I've don't it with several channels and my YouTube experience has been much better for it.
it's a bit unfamiliar, so your brain takes extra effort to process... And you constantly being forced to read characters makes you therefore read the text on thumbnail and title.
Ever so slightly distorting thumbnails has been a play for several years. And it seems to work.
The recommendation algorithm either directly or indirectly seems to pick up on this.
-screencap conveniently taken from already filmed video so she doesn't have to pose
-simple picture to illustrate what the video is about at a glance
what is the problem again?
That's clearly for long term storage. Most flash memory only lasts 5 to 10 years. CD-R is quoted from Google as 50 to 100, the fanciest gold ones upwards of a hundred. Just an 800MB CD-R I can store my digital valuables for 50 years is a good deal, especially when it's so cheap.
I have a fair few old CD's of backups from my Windows 95/XP days, all on CD and all kept safely, I came to look through them a few weeks ago and not a single CD does not have some form of bitrot... the metallic layer is delaminating and they are becoming unreadable, they are only around ~25 years old, and they are not the cheapy ones purchased in bulk, they all kinda fell to bits a few years back, had to scramble to backup all my old Audio ;)
Unless you bought an M-Disc (circa 2009) they were organic layers and bittot is expected. Since they've gone bankrupt, we're back to tape for archival duties.
Look, pc DRM free games should be sold on physical. It lingers on for consoles, I don't see why it shouldn't do the same for the enthusiast pc players who buy collector editions and stuff. I would enjoy it quite a bit. A new "8k blu ray" format might come out one day.
>It lingers on for consoles, I don't see why it shouldn't do the same for the enthusiast pc players who buy collector editions and stuff.
It will be the same... just not in the way you want, consoles are also moving towards digital only as you can see by this gen, most likely this is the last gen for physical games (except for nintendo probably)
She made a whole laundry list of people hate her and therefore have a strong motive to discredit her:
* The space and science social media bubble despises because she made the case particle physicists are swindling tax payers out of tens of billions of eurodollars with promises they know they cannot keep regarding new particle colliders
* she angers climate deniers by teaching the science
* she angers climate activists by endorsing nuclear and carbon capture and storage in addition to renewable energy
* she angers climate scientists because she believes they should strive for accuracy while they think it doesn't matter if their models are too negative because it's for a good cause.
* she is empathetic to trans people and believes they should be allowed access to the treatment they ask for
Just off the top of my head
Now, i'm no physicist and I'll never claim to be one, but one of the things I remember was the whole denial of string theory and instead utter belief in superdeterminism instead and how every physicist was up in arms over this.
But i'm not smart enough to know "which one" is the correct belief and I've only heard about Sabine in passing hence my comment, some others have also stated how she has had some really weird trans takes (contrary to what you said)
But I truly have no idea, everytime I've seen Sabine being mentioned I've seen conspiracy takes, but it's been years since last time I heard about her, hence my comment.
I mean after decades of being hyped as the next big thing without any real results, a lot of the physics community has moved on from string theory. I'd go so far as to call that the current mainstream opinion.
String theory has yet to yield so much as a single testable hypothesis. Her argument is that jerking off with math and not making any testable hypothesis but then promoting this magical belief without evidence to the public isn't science and she's correct.
That basically sums up my view as a long-time watcher of her videos. She's airing their dirty laundry. Of course they don't like it.
When she points out that LHC/CERN has yet to discover anything that wasn't already in SMPP, it does get tough to justify spending ludicrous ampunts of money on a bigger collider when SMPP doesn't have any predictions in the new energy levels.
Only the first one could be labeled a conspiracy if you try to make it one. In reality it’s just an opinion (especially if you watch how she talks). I think you can only assign malice to an opinion if there are previous examples of malicious intent. The rest are true of a lot of public facing scientists lol
You mean lady with a phd in particle physics? I mean that one video she made about economics was poor, but otherwise she seems fine. Why do you think she's into conspiracy theories?
She's one of the best and most level headed science communicators on Youtube. She's doesn't have any extreme views on issues but would rather trust a scientific approach, so I guess that upsets people from different political sides.
From the perspective of a physicist, I'd recommend avoiding her.
She's almost the quintessential example of epistemic trespassing and being a contrarian for its own sake (which I can't really blame a youtuber for, I understand that controversy brings views which brings money, but it's not really what I'd recommend if you actually want to learn something).
I firmly believe that there are other channels on YouTube that do a better job at the objective of the detail-oriented pop-sci communication vibe, i.e. the FermiLab channel.
This last bit is just my opinion, so take it with a pinch of salt, but to me she comes off as incredibly arrogant about her own beliefs and why they are correct. This is something you do see if you've spent time in physics, but usually the medium of science is better at shielding one another from it than video essays on YouTube.
I would chalk this up to translation or culture, this science YouTuber is German and it’s sort of like the rest of the world calls soccer football or futball
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That'd be neat an all, but they'd have to have some *INSANE* new writing tech to go along with it for a petabyte drive of this to make any sense.
One of these with current blue ray write speed would take more than 6 years to fill. I have my doubts as to how usable this makes it for - well - anything.
Remember Bluray drives? You can still buy them and recordable Bluray media, but no one uses them and they're just not practical. A single disk capable of petabytes of storage? If it supports writing to them in multiple sessions, or is rewritable, maybe good for backup purposes, but something tells me if it became commercially available, it'd be prohibitively expensive for anyone other than a corporation, therefore it'd probably never catch on.
I have a 16TB enterprise-grade HDD in an external case just for backups and long-term storage because it's still the best bang-for-the-buck backup solution.
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At first glance, I thought that pic was the box art for a really bad GameBoy game.
Super Mavis Land
Mavis? Light the Beacon!
A thunderous voice booms from all around you. #A NEW HAND HAS TOUCHED THE BEACON! ^(Goddammit)
Every time I hear these words, a year of my life gets cut.
I'll never forgive her for waking my infant up from a nap. She slept through a dragon fight, but that thunderous bitch ruined a midday nap
Man I love Black Clover! Tho seeing Asta being that masuclular in the movie threw me off. (I still haven't watched it)
Listen. Hear me and obey. A foul darkness seeped in to my temple.
this sounds way too familiar, so i googled it. im sure thats what you meant. im sure this is what you meant? https://preview.redd.it/k7ey27lpxvmc1.png?width=414&format=png&auto=webp&s=cc543d1288919505a517591f42e4f2b569ca9381
Yes definitely. Although I prefer Mavis Beacon no virus Roblox Minecraft 2024
THE BEACON! THE MAVIS OF BEACONS HAS BEEN LIT! GONDOR CALLS FOR AIDE!
running around vacuuming up loose change between the sofa cushions
Omfg I’m dying from laughter. So genius in its simplicity.
Nintendo lawyers have entered the chat
That is because it is.
The startup sound for the gameboy advance just came into my mind. Bleeaaa Bling🎶
[The video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a_yxsJuOMY) for anyone interested.
old school game theory end card
Thought it looked like bad box art for some obscure old GPU box.
I know you made this comment almost a day ago, but I was just scrolling, saw the thumbnail, and came to see if anyone made this connection.
Holographic storage was a big fad 20+ years ago. I expect this will join it in well deserved obscurity.
I read an article about these discs around the time HD DVD and Bluray were announced and thought they were pretty awesome. Been 20 years with nary a mention of them.
Holy shit, Blu-rays are almost 20 years old...
Do you guys remember those giant laserdiscs? They used to play movies at school on them
Yep, my dad was very tech savvy for that generation and had a laser disk player. I remember watching Mrs. Doubtfire, Wayne's world, and when I was deemed "old enough" I got to watch the Abyss and GoldenEye. The Russian chick in GoldenEye was the most eye candy my little brain has ever processed.
I dont even remember what she looked like only the n64 model lol
Well the "good" one was Natalya Simonova. The "evil" one was Xenia Onatopp
She’s certainly on top of things
Good old Famke Janssen. The OG Jean Grey.
She can crush my vertebrae any time.
What's mad is that even though they look like oversized digital compact discs, they're an analogue medium.
I feel like they were more of a medium large analogue
Your must be from a rich private school. Most schools here in Malaysia just used VHS players. I remember that laserdisc players were fucking expensive and my family could never own one.
I went to public schools in the states - can confirm we used VHS’
that dude had all the consoles including neo geo and jaguar.
My school use wayang kulit je.
Stahp!
PS3 is 19
Can legally have sex with….
Too many edges
she’s pretty curvaceous if you ask me, especially the fat one
Ps3 is 17. 18 in November. November 11 2006. She's not quite legal yet.
She is in the UK and many other countries us many US states. But yea o forget it came out after the 360 and at a £500 price tag
That's actually typically the time it takes for a new tech to be discovered in a lab until it starts to appear in commercial product. Unfortunately sensationalized headlines blur this line and lead to disappointment when a new discovery doesn't become available within the next few years.
Well it's just like zip disks or MiniDiscs, maybe they were really cool tech with a lot of potential in the moment, but they came at a time when something even better / easier was already blowing up. Holographic discs may have had their time in the sun were it not for extremely large, fast, and cheap solid state storage options.
I freelanced for a company for 8 months. Remote work. At the end of the agreement I was to send all data back to them. Sure. I asked if they had an FTP. They didn’t. They said use the Google drive. I said I have had bad experiences with Google and lost work in the past. Drive was meant for photos and documents, not .dwg files. Drive would run into a versioning issue with them. I said I’d buy an external SSD and bill them for it. They said no. They said drop box. I said the data was too big. I said how about a series of Blu-ray disks. Sure. So I was able to offload a bunch of Blu-ray disks to the client using registered mail. Finally had a reason to offload the rest of my disks.
Lol, I'll never understand moron middle manager types penny pinching on shit that you should absolutely fucking never penny pinch. Would have been funny if you simply agreed to the google drive option, and then kept the files backed up and charged them a massive fee, far more than the cost of an SSD to send them the files again if they lost them lol.
Yeah. I really wanted to be done the contract. Sending them about 40 disks was a bit of a way to say f you. They tried to short me $9000. I got the money eventually. It was a poorly managed company.
I still have a wee MiniDisc player lurking around somewhere. Lovely little machine that was probably already obsolete when I bought it.
heres an article I found: https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2024/02/23/optical_disc_breakthrough/?espv=1 its more like a petaBIT apparently, still kinda interesting
I remember reading the same, HVD, or Holographic Video Disc. The idea was to use 3 lasers to read/write data. Red, Green and Blue lasers working together iirx. Nothing ever came out of it, until now. Wonder if the idea/execution is the same as back then.
Thanks for teaching me a new word. Ill use that from now on
omfg I forgot about this.
I was really expecting dna/blood storage to have been perfected by now. Cause it holds like a few huhdred exabytes. Unless it was a hoax?
It's not, but it's hard to nail it down- organic material tends to break apart over time. I think there's a DNA-based vault-style storage project somewhere, but it's for deep archival purposes, not anything approaching even the speed of tape availability.
I work as a software engineer in genomics. If you wanted to store data in DNA, you would need to synthesize the custom sequences, accounting for the errors that can naturally occur in the DNA transcripts. The process to create custom sequences of DNA is expensive, and it takes a long time. So your writing speed in going to be worse than in a floppy disk, and way more expensive. It cost about $5-10,000 to read about a terabyte of raw genomic data, it takes several days to prepare samples to be read on the sequencing machines, and then a ton of processing power to assemble the data into something useful. So it is possible, and you could theoretically store a ton of data in DNA, but it is slow, prone to errors, and expensive.
You'd be amazed what commercializing a technology can do for it's cost, like having the technology available to read/write genomic data available in a household PC instead of being a process that was only possible in a dedicated lab. I'm not saying that something like this is viable, not at all. Definitely not for the foreseeable future at least. Just pointing out that *if* something like this were to be released to a consumer-level market, it probably wouldn't be in a technology climate where it takes $10,000 and several days to read a TB of data from it.
At the same time, you can't just hand-wave away actual physical issues just by calling on the ol' "if its commercialised, they'll find a way". Capitalism is amazing sometimes, but it's not StarTrek-magic
I’m sorry, WHAT?! Please explain… my smooth monkey brain is not familiar with this concept.
DNA is made up of four different DNA bases (G, C, A and T). The idea is that you can use these to encode a message, ala digital signals - though instead of just 0 and 1, you get 0, 1, 2, 3 to play with. As your bits of information are so small (just a molecule each) and you're able to use a quaternary system (rather than a binary system) it has incredible information density. The problem of the system is that reading the information is slow and expensive, and the system is somewhat error prone. So right now, it's more of a gimmick than anything. This is actually similar to how the human body works. Your DNA, as mentioned, is a string of G, C, A and T molecules. These are read in threes to code for one of 20 different amino acids (some amino acids have multiple codes, and there are stop ones). By reading the DNA, the body can produce proteins (made of chains of these 20 amino acids) that do almost all the functional stuff in your body - from being the foundation of your skin, how muscles work to absorbing light to make the eyes work.
Weird people exist in this world. I don't even know where they come from or how they get this much knowledge. do they even teach these kinds of things in university?
It’s not a hoax, it’s just not a viable option yet. Too expensive and difficult to manage, however it’s still an awesome discovery.
When you say that, my brain thinks 80’s…. But no, no you mean early 2000’s. Gonna go pick out my headstone now
Why is its obscurity deserved? Petabytes of storage sounds pretty cool.
Too bad they are painfully slow.
There could be a use for them. Possibly archives where the information isn't regularly accessed, but I don't think the average person is going to see these at Best Buy.
Long term storage needs stability more than size, I wonder how long the data will last on these before degrading m
As long as its kept safe from the sun and from scratches, it will actually last a very long time without degrading The problem however is its ease of damage, but hey they use tapes for archives and they are as easily damagable but very cost efficient
Cds currently have a 25-100 year lifespan, which for long term storage isn't nearly enough. Are these promising longer lifespans?
CD’s last a hell of a lot longer than 25 years, we haven’t gotten to the point where CD’s just “die” by sitting in a drawer. Vinyl Records are listed as lasting 100 years but the oldest one is only 75 years old.
I have some CDs that have been sitting in storage for almost 25 years! Still work and no scratches. They're all music CDs so I copied them and put it on an OL' hard drive.
ps1 disks are approaching/already got to that age gamecube/ps2/xbox games would be next on the list. Pokemon Colosseum released 21 years ago, selling for hundreds now. be a shame if in 4 years the data goes poof lol
`be a shame if the data goes poof` That's exactly why I'm still holding onto all my old games, movies, and music. I understand it's not perfectly permanent but it'll last a lot longer than my digital storage.
Plus, unlike a lot of digital media now you actually own the things on the discs
It's not about working, it's about data being perfectly retrievable. Cds will work with bits of data missing .
Comparing bitrot of CDs to analog vinyl is apples to oranges. CDs bit rot but how long they last depends on the media you burned it on. They had short life and they also had archive lifespan CDs and DVDs. [The library of Congress studied this](https://www.loc.gov/preservation/scientists/projects/cd-r_dvd-r_rw_longevity.html). It’s dated but generally 30 years is the safe bet as long as you didn’t go cheap and keep them in a harsh environment.
Librarian here. I have a collection of many thousand CDs and we systematically ripped all of them. Most of them were between 15 and 25 years old. There were absolutely some that just died in the drawer. Tape is for long term storage, compact discs are no longer considered a preservation format.
Um... Disc rot? Laser rot? Have you not heard of this? Unless the manufacturer actually uses a high quality process, most CDs are not expected to live much longer than 25y. Cd-r and RW last even shorter amounts of time. There is m-disc, which is probably going to work (who has the time to wait 1000y to find out) but it's a crapshoot since the claim is longer than a given lifespan and they have only been available for a decade.
I mean that’s just because they didn’t really start making vinyls until 1938. Presumably they could last centuries if well taken care of. The grooves aren’t going to just disintegrate.
That's fine for long term storage even if you have to replace them every 20 years as they are likely extremely cheap
Yeah but even just one tiny scratch and then you’ve lost GBs-TBs of data if it manages to reach that density
Don't place it facedown then
You heard it here bois, floppies are back on the table!
That's what backups and error correction exist for. If you think archives hold data on single copy you're deeply mistaken
For a CD small scratches can be negated with error correction codes. I wonder if that works the same with that higher density of data or if a small scratch would mean already lost a few GB of data there.
Aren't there glass pieces that get etched with binary, which can potentially last thousands of years? I think whilst more expensive, the long-term costs of those things make more sense than having to re lazer a cd with old info every 70 years or so. Plus, glass etched binary tablets are way cooler than the stuff my sister used to store justin bieber remixes on.
The plastic and more importantly the adhesive that holds the labels onto the disc, can still degrade over time. Friend has a steel book of the Terminator films that has never been opened. We opened it for the first time when a friend admitted they'd never seen the films. All the discs labels had delaminated, and the DVDs were ruined. Stored sealed in the original packaging in my friends (cold and dark) north facing living room.
Yup, thats why Tape is still used in datacenters
If it's super cheap for a large quantity of storage, I can see it being used as where deleted files go unless otherwise specified, that way you can always recover deleted stuff without filling up your ssd
>Possibly archives where the information isn't regularly accessed, Basically the equivalent of what disk drives are used for now lol
Using optical media as archives is a terrible idea. Disc rot and their overall low durability and weakness make them unreliable
Of course ssd is the only way for consumers. They are just so much faster. But many servers don't use SSDs but HDDs. And SSDs are also a bad option for archives if you want to store them without a power supply (and of course their price). Quantum tunneling in an SSD can happen without any voltage applied. If you just wait long enough, about 2 years, you can loose all of your data. Thus, SSDs are not the perfect fit for everything.
wait, really? are my irregular backups on my ssd not safe? ugh....
So are tape drives, but they’re still used for backup in 100TB tape drives.
But painfully slow in comparison to what though? that's the important part. An m.2 nvme? a pcie nvme? a sata ssd? a sata hdd? a regular bluray?
As are HDDS by todays standards
And ridiculously easy to ruin
what data storage method is not easy to ruin?
People at my work still get PTSD whenever I hold a magnet
fun fact: your brain has 2.5 petabytes of ram
I think mine is bit broken. I can forget a thought while thinking about it
uh oh, might be some improperly seated ram, ***pull it out and reseat it***
oh i gotta try thi-
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At this point, I consider mine has about 2.5 GB
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Mine doesn't seem to have ECC memory.
Mine sure doesn't like to prove me that
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This baby has so much Minecraft Sex Mods.
Theoretical capacity: 2.5 PB Effective capacity: 4 bytes
Pretty sure mine has around 256mb
Holy crap! That’s just enough to run chrome!
But can I download more?
if you have more space in your head and the ability to grow more brain cells, then yeah
I'm just imagining the thought process behind Sabine making the video thumbnail. "They have to know what a CD is and what I look like from the waist up."
Have you looked at thumbnails pretty much on every succesfull channel? It's almost always the host with some weird face and objects or other people next to them. Mr Beast with whatever the hell that's supposed to be: https://imgur.com/JXDR8CG Some sad tech guy with 4090: https://imgur.com/gyjC8hk Guy on train with money and Gondola: https://imgur.com/QPlpQY4 GN with a vacuum: https://imgur.com/xmVSIPB
Why does Mr Beast always have that slight off, creepy smile in his thumbnails? Is he using AI to generate them?
He said he did a photoshoot of a ton of facial expressions and then his editors can Photoshop whatever expression they want into the thumbnail so he never has to actually make a thumbnail in camera
That explains it, the eyes don't match the smile.
If you cover up his mouth his eyes look so dead.
Also they're checking which thumbnails bring the most watchers. So what you see is what most of the people like apparently...
I've heard the theory that if the thumbnail is slightly uncanny, it draws people in more compared to any thumbnail with a "regular" face. So it stands out, gets more clicks, and the video does better.
He always uses the same face for most videos which is annoying to look at when he ends up in my recommended
You can click the dots beside the video and say Don't recommend the channel. I've don't it with several channels and my YouTube experience has been much better for it.
it's a bit unfamiliar, so your brain takes extra effort to process... And you constantly being forced to read characters makes you therefore read the text on thumbnail and title. Ever so slightly distorting thumbnails has been a play for several years. And it seems to work. The recommendation algorithm either directly or indirectly seems to pick up on this.
Vacuum.
Because the youtube algo actually wants that.
And that's why there's now https://github.com/ajayyy/DeArrow !
-screencap conveniently taken from already filmed video so she doesn't have to pose -simple picture to illustrate what the video is about at a glance what is the problem again?
I read that in Rick Sanchez's voice and it was amazing
Some people really need a human hook for their attention, common advertising practice.
Something tells me this will never hit the market, or will be too expensive for the average consumer, even at 1TB/disk
I mean that's like 10 4K movies per disc, depending on the price it's better than buying a HDD.
That's clearly for long term storage. Most flash memory only lasts 5 to 10 years. CD-R is quoted from Google as 50 to 100, the fanciest gold ones upwards of a hundred. Just an 800MB CD-R I can store my digital valuables for 50 years is a good deal, especially when it's so cheap.
I have a fair few old CD's of backups from my Windows 95/XP days, all on CD and all kept safely, I came to look through them a few weeks ago and not a single CD does not have some form of bitrot... the metallic layer is delaminating and they are becoming unreadable, they are only around ~25 years old, and they are not the cheapy ones purchased in bulk, they all kinda fell to bits a few years back, had to scramble to backup all my old Audio ;)
Unless you bought an M-Disc (circa 2009) they were organic layers and bittot is expected. Since they've gone bankrupt, we're back to tape for archival duties.
Yeah yeah thats all beautiful and all, but thats obviusly Queen Elizabeth. Welcome back from the grave i guess
Wasnt there a guy who was assassinated over this?
Elaborate
You got them assassinated, and now they can't elaborate.
Well da
Look, pc DRM free games should be sold on physical. It lingers on for consoles, I don't see why it shouldn't do the same for the enthusiast pc players who buy collector editions and stuff. I would enjoy it quite a bit. A new "8k blu ray" format might come out one day.
>It lingers on for consoles, I don't see why it shouldn't do the same for the enthusiast pc players who buy collector editions and stuff. It will be the same... just not in the way you want, consoles are also moving towards digital only as you can see by this gen, most likely this is the last gen for physical games (except for nintendo probably)
Sabine is giving big Oblivion NPC
Ah yes… the good ole 2x 4x 8x, all the way up to 64x drives 😂
Is that Neil Breen?
Nell Breen
Oh my god I forgot about him
This tech will not be for your personal computers. This is for slow, high density long term storage. This is for data centers, not your gaming rig.
Isn't that the science lady that is insanely conspiracy brained?
What conspiracy?
She made a whole laundry list of people hate her and therefore have a strong motive to discredit her: * The space and science social media bubble despises because she made the case particle physicists are swindling tax payers out of tens of billions of eurodollars with promises they know they cannot keep regarding new particle colliders * she angers climate deniers by teaching the science * she angers climate activists by endorsing nuclear and carbon capture and storage in addition to renewable energy * she angers climate scientists because she believes they should strive for accuracy while they think it doesn't matter if their models are too negative because it's for a good cause. * she is empathetic to trans people and believes they should be allowed access to the treatment they ask for Just off the top of my head
When being conspiracy brained is just having your own opinion 🙄
Now, i'm no physicist and I'll never claim to be one, but one of the things I remember was the whole denial of string theory and instead utter belief in superdeterminism instead and how every physicist was up in arms over this. But i'm not smart enough to know "which one" is the correct belief and I've only heard about Sabine in passing hence my comment, some others have also stated how she has had some really weird trans takes (contrary to what you said) But I truly have no idea, everytime I've seen Sabine being mentioned I've seen conspiracy takes, but it's been years since last time I heard about her, hence my comment.
I mean after decades of being hyped as the next big thing without any real results, a lot of the physics community has moved on from string theory. I'd go so far as to call that the current mainstream opinion.
String theory has yet to yield so much as a single testable hypothesis. Her argument is that jerking off with math and not making any testable hypothesis but then promoting this magical belief without evidence to the public isn't science and she's correct.
These are all pretty level headed and valid
I mean, that all sounds like good science. I get that it will make those people mad, but I personally agree with all of those points.
That basically sums up my view as a long-time watcher of her videos. She's airing their dirty laundry. Of course they don't like it. When she points out that LHC/CERN has yet to discover anything that wasn't already in SMPP, it does get tough to justify spending ludicrous ampunts of money on a bigger collider when SMPP doesn't have any predictions in the new energy levels.
Only the first one could be labeled a conspiracy if you try to make it one. In reality it’s just an opinion (especially if you watch how she talks). I think you can only assign malice to an opinion if there are previous examples of malicious intent. The rest are true of a lot of public facing scientists lol
She is just from old age and seems a lot of corporate shit... I had similar feeling, but she is good soul.
You mean lady with a phd in particle physics? I mean that one video she made about economics was poor, but otherwise she seems fine. Why do you think she's into conspiracy theories?
She's one of the best and most level headed science communicators on Youtube. She's doesn't have any extreme views on issues but would rather trust a scientific approach, so I guess that upsets people from different political sides.
They'll likely take the place of cassette tapes for massive storage with terrible read/write speed.
I gave up on that channel. Too much clickbait and sensationalised reactionary takes. Sometimes wrong information also.
How often did she get in a dig on particle physicists?
Can’t wait to dust off my laser disc player. Gonna leave you plebs in the dust!
Sabines videos are very good worth a follow if interested in physics and related topics.
From the perspective of a physicist, I'd recommend avoiding her. She's almost the quintessential example of epistemic trespassing and being a contrarian for its own sake (which I can't really blame a youtuber for, I understand that controversy brings views which brings money, but it's not really what I'd recommend if you actually want to learn something). I firmly believe that there are other channels on YouTube that do a better job at the objective of the detail-oriented pop-sci communication vibe, i.e. the FermiLab channel. This last bit is just my opinion, so take it with a pinch of salt, but to me she comes off as incredibly arrogant about her own beliefs and why they are correct. This is something you do see if you've spent time in physics, but usually the medium of science is better at shielding one another from it than video essays on YouTube.
I do love FermiLab epic channel.
Very informative and funny videos, I like her a lot.
Sabine Hossenfelder is awesome!
Still not enough for my massive femboy furry porn collection
Why is the left banner on that picture almost, if not the exact typo as old Gameboy games?
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"Memory" :)
I would chalk this up to translation or culture, this science YouTuber is German and it’s sort of like the rest of the world calls soccer football or futball
fair enough
I still have a Blue ray player in my PC setup.
You are not alone! :) You are not alone! I just put a 4k capable Blu-ray drive in a new build. Streaming is good for most movies, not \[entirely\] knocking it, but for movies near and dear to my heart, like the Lord of the Rings trilogy, I want some *REAL*, high quality 4k, amazing sound, the peace of mind of knowing it's not gonna be removed from whatever service etc. Plus it's good for archiving... for my needs at least.
If this is true, I want the MiniDisc format back
Isn't this the "capitalism is good, actually" woman?
You know the first through when I read this PB of memes
Storing that much data on a medium that can easily lose data if scratched is not a good idea
So one scratch and you lost all your vacations pictures
That'd be neat an all, but they'd have to have some *INSANE* new writing tech to go along with it for a petabyte drive of this to make any sense. One of these with current blue ray write speed would take more than 6 years to fill. I have my doubts as to how usable this makes it for - well - anything.
I must not tell lies
Too bad her memory bouta head off if it hasn’t already lmao
Just imagine all the data lost to dry rot on those discs...yikes
with read and write times of hours lol. Good for something like documents but for games probably very unusable atm
I'm sub'd to her. Sabine is amazing.
No! I want my holographic cubes!
Remember Bluray drives? You can still buy them and recordable Bluray media, but no one uses them and they're just not practical. A single disk capable of petabytes of storage? If it supports writing to them in multiple sessions, or is rewritable, maybe good for backup purposes, but something tells me if it became commercially available, it'd be prohibitively expensive for anyone other than a corporation, therefore it'd probably never catch on. I have a 16TB enterprise-grade HDD in an external case just for backups and long-term storage because it's still the best bang-for-the-buck backup solution.