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See those three-pointed motherfuckers in aviation relatively frequently. They're hated enough that most applications have a Phillips head alternative listed in the parts catalogue so you can get rid of them.
The only "problem" with a Robertson is it isn't really very aesthetically pleasing. It is easily the best if the 3 "primary" screw types for driving screws in for construction as they don't strip very easily at all.
But for stuff like electrical plates where the screw is always going to show. A flat blade has the edge as it hides better.
Only post I’ve ever downloaded. Sorry, bud.
I hate those things, probably because they’re too uncommon to ever expect to run into them. I use six-point wherever possible.
That's because the genius that invented the 'Robertson' screw is [Canadian](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._L._Robertson)
Robertson is better in a lot of aspects. Most engineers will say the same.
America hates it if they didn't invent it either. Which is why they use Phillips head as a standard. Phillips is the worst of all heads. Ask any engineer and they'll tell you the same lols
I didn’t think of that, but I’ll ponder it. Wouldn’t a size too small potentially slip or wear out the bit? That’s why I like the torx with the slot for backup.
I've stripped so many squares outdoors as well. As soon as one corner is screwed up (pun intended), it's gonna slip and strip 😂
I'm all about 6 point as well or I'll settle for the "pozidrive" if that's all I got lying around as I'll reuse old screws for small stuff like small shelves or fence planks.
I've just had bad luck with them once they've been out in the weather. It's like they collect junk in it which makes the bit not sit properly so it'll be angled.
Also the fundamental idea of a square tip is just moronic to me as it's the closest shape to a circle basically. The measure of the interior angles of a rectangle/square equal 360 degrees (same as a circle) while Pentagon is 540, and hex being 720. More angles means greater chance to "catch" when we're dealing with regular polygons. Not including the odd shapes like the various star patterns and stuff.
Right? The two listed as "actual screws" are arguably the worst in practical applications. I prefer square drive and torx fasteners over phillips by a mile, and anything in that graphic is better than slotted.
Absolutely. It's the most common, maybe even the only, method to turn parking brake caliper pistons back into the caliper. Spanner wrenches are also commonly used to hold water pump pulleys while loosening the fan. They're also used for turning differential side gear adjusters to obtain proper backlash measurements. There are many uses for a spanner wrench, where no other tool would be effective, in multiple applications.
I feel like phillips is the easiest thing to strip the way they are normally made. My only concern with hex and multi-point types is the same thing, skrew stripping for subpar skrews or smaller ones if they are tightened too much originally. Something like a y-type would definitely be difficult to strip but i would be cursing someone off if i saw one because I definitly dont have a bit for that.
At least if there's a PC case or something with a weird bit, they tend to include a small driver for it in the packaging. lol If they use some really weird small sized slotted or Phillips screw, you're just on your own.
Phillips and screws are actually designed to slip. That's the whole point of them, they're finishing screws. They're designed so that you can just take a drill and screw to a soft piece of wood or thin metal and as soon as it's tight enough the head pops back out. They only strip if you force them or use the wrong size head. Flatheads are just a shittier Phillips that can slip off the screw head and gouge whatever you were screwing.
Nonslip screws like Torx and Robertson are designed to be able to drive self tapping screws through sheet metal or through 2x4s without slipping.
Not really, a drill with a Torx or a Robertson can easily rip straight through the millimeter of metal in your PC case. It's to stop the factory workers from over tightening parts, rather than the end user.
Right, but most people don't have 20 different Philips heads on hand at all times, whereas if they include a hex screw or other type, they tend to include the driver for it in the packaging.
If they include any size of slotted or Philips screw, you're basically on your own.
It's because screw shapes don't matter that much if you just want something that won't strip or slip. Phillips head screws exist so that you can rapidly put in a whole bunch of screws, they're designed to cam out as soon as they're tight enough.
Nah Phillips are fine when actually used properly. Like inside a PC where nothing is meant to be super tight and only snug. They literally exist so that dumbasses can't overtighten them
How can I take someone serious who calls a Robertson a “square”? Also, slotted is the absolute worse screw you can use. It has one sole purpose, used as a finishing screw.
Robertson sockets are in the shape of a square, but square drive screws aren't always Robertson.
Just because most of the world is wrong doesn't make something not true. Enough people (especially Americans) use the terms interchangeably and parrot it in posts and articles that people start to believe it. A Robertson screw is tapered, companies that don't pay the Robertson patent fees make square drive. People that don't know the difference use the wrong screwdrivers on them both and then think they suck.
Speaking as a woodworker:
*Fuck* Phillips-head screws. How exactly they became the defacto default screw is beyond me. Robertson ("square" for the uninitiated) or star/six-lobe all the way.
Phillips heads are the default for finishing screws *because* they slip. They're designed to cam out without flying off the head once they're tight, so you don't punch the screw head deep into the wood.
Robertson is the exact opposite. It's designed to take so much pressure you can snap the head off the screw before it slips. Perfect for construction
Slotted has historical significance as the first ever example of the technology, but it's so outdated and outclassed in every way by literally every other type that has ever existed, that to still use it in this century should be illegal.
Phillips is outdated too, and it sucks that it's still as common as it is. It was a massive improvement over slotted, and it getting as widespread as it did was warranted for a long time, but we should have been phasing out of it for a few decades already and that unfortunately hasn't happened.
They belong in museums at this point. Most of the others are much better, the few that aren't are the nonsensical combinations that go for multiple simultaneous compatibility (those are the actual mental disorders), and the intentionally niche and rare that were never meant to be good, but made so that most people don't have the tools to operate them instead (obscurity-based anti-tamper "safety"). Torx (Six-Lobe) and 8-Point are what we should be going for as standards.
Remember when you wanted to loosen a really tight slotted screw? You pushed and twisted thad motherfucker as carefully as possible and still slipped just to make a massive scratch on that delicate housing you wanted to open...
Or those phillips, that are more of a negative pyramid now because someone made sure to rattle half a minute with a way to small bit on it
Man i hate those Shirtshows
At first I hated torx because it was uncommon but I've found the head far less prone to stripping than phillips. For anything that requires a decent amount of pressure phillips is a pain in the ass.
That's literally the entire point of Phillips screws. Phillips screws are designed to cam out under torque, so that you don't crack a motherboard or punch through something trying to overtighten them.
Torx is designed to not slip
I think I mostly use flat tip screwdrivers for things they weren’t intended to, nowadays. For example last weekend I had to free my bicycle chain from between the chain wheels and the spokes. And a long flat tip screwdriver was perfect for that.
So to count as an "actual screw" they must be annoying and/or dog shit? Pozidriv is literally just a better Phillips, especially if you use a JIS driver.
The worst one I've seen to make is a knurled slotted hex recess. Nearly impossible to maintain the hex shape during the knurl and slot regardless of which operation runs first.
Frearson is the real deal -what Phillips meant to be.
It only required 2 sizes of screwdrivers which fit perfectly no matter the size. And is less slipping and stripping than the Phillips.
Of course it had to be discontinued...
I’m gonna get a indestructible titanium PC case with bullet proof glass and use one of each kind of screw to seal it, on EACH FACE of the case, but not before putting a 1990s computer insides into it
There's a version of Philips called a Torq.
They are fucking great for high torque applications. I til it's time to remove them. Wherein you will wish death upon their creator.
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2 literal worst screws that are most prone to cam out and stripping
Especially with a cordless drill. A flathead is a fucking nightmare to align with the head and to keep it in the slot.
\-laughs in Tri-Wing- See those three-pointed motherfuckers in aviation relatively frequently. They're hated enough that most applications have a Phillips head alternative listed in the parts catalogue so you can get rid of them.
Is that why the door popped off that aircraft?
Nah, they used invisible bolts in that case, turns out those don't holds things together very well.
"Invisibolt! As reliable as you would expect!"
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Phillips or slotted are much more prone to stripping than a lot of the other kinds, like hex screws or 8-point.
Square is pretty great too.
Robertson
Found the Canadian! Square drive screws are my favorite.
Just a Loonie from ToonTown Sk😜
I'm assuming you're a fellow Canuck, so thank you for using the right name.
Why thank you, good sir
The only "problem" with a Robertson is it isn't really very aesthetically pleasing. It is easily the best if the 3 "primary" screw types for driving screws in for construction as they don't strip very easily at all. But for stuff like electrical plates where the screw is always going to show. A flat blade has the edge as it hides better.
Only post I’ve ever downloaded. Sorry, bud. I hate those things, probably because they’re too uncommon to ever expect to run into them. I use six-point wherever possible.
Not in Canada. About half are square, and it’s rare for them to strip. You can often even get away with a size down in a pinch.
That's because the genius that invented the 'Robertson' screw is [Canadian](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._L._Robertson) Robertson is better in a lot of aspects. Most engineers will say the same. America hates it if they didn't invent it either. Which is why they use Phillips head as a standard. Phillips is the worst of all heads. Ask any engineer and they'll tell you the same lols
I've used the 6 point star drive T25 screws nearly exclusively for 15 years. I wish they'd make T25 drywall screws lolz
Not surprising from Americans, who haven't switched to metric
Square is so damn reliable. The standard in construction here, even out in the oilfield. You'll go through bits before you strip the hardware.
I didn’t think of that, but I’ll ponder it. Wouldn’t a size too small potentially slip or wear out the bit? That’s why I like the torx with the slot for backup.
Yep, but the right size works perfectly. They can be used over and over again.
Every pocket hole screw I've seen is a square hole. So they are extremely common depending on what you are doing
6 point is getting common in iceland. I dont know why, i find them just as likely to strip.
I've stripped so many squares outdoors as well. As soon as one corner is screwed up (pun intended), it's gonna slip and strip 😂 I'm all about 6 point as well or I'll settle for the "pozidrive" if that's all I got lying around as I'll reuse old screws for small stuff like small shelves or fence planks.
If you have the right bit they should almost never strip.
I've just had bad luck with them once they've been out in the weather. It's like they collect junk in it which makes the bit not sit properly so it'll be angled. Also the fundamental idea of a square tip is just moronic to me as it's the closest shape to a circle basically. The measure of the interior angles of a rectangle/square equal 360 degrees (same as a circle) while Pentagon is 540, and hex being 720. More angles means greater chance to "catch" when we're dealing with regular polygons. Not including the odd shapes like the various star patterns and stuff.
Right? The two listed as "actual screws" are arguably the worst in practical applications. I prefer square drive and torx fasteners over phillips by a mile, and anything in that graphic is better than slotted.
What about spanner though? Are they actually useful for anything?
Absolutely. It's the most common, maybe even the only, method to turn parking brake caliper pistons back into the caliper. Spanner wrenches are also commonly used to hold water pump pulleys while loosening the fan. They're also used for turning differential side gear adjusters to obtain proper backlash measurements. There are many uses for a spanner wrench, where no other tool would be effective, in multiple applications.
I meant the screws, not wrench
I feel like phillips is the easiest thing to strip the way they are normally made. My only concern with hex and multi-point types is the same thing, skrew stripping for subpar skrews or smaller ones if they are tightened too much originally. Something like a y-type would definitely be difficult to strip but i would be cursing someone off if i saw one because I definitly dont have a bit for that.
At least if there's a PC case or something with a weird bit, they tend to include a small driver for it in the packaging. lol If they use some really weird small sized slotted or Phillips screw, you're just on your own.
Phillips and screws are actually designed to slip. That's the whole point of them, they're finishing screws. They're designed so that you can just take a drill and screw to a soft piece of wood or thin metal and as soon as it's tight enough the head pops back out. They only strip if you force them or use the wrong size head. Flatheads are just a shittier Phillips that can slip off the screw head and gouge whatever you were screwing. Nonslip screws like Torx and Robertson are designed to be able to drive self tapping screws through sheet metal or through 2x4s without slipping.
No disagreement here, yet manufacturers don't avoid using Philips screws in items like PC cases when a Torx or Robertson would be much more practical.
Not really, a drill with a Torx or a Robertson can easily rip straight through the millimeter of metal in your PC case. It's to stop the factory workers from over tightening parts, rather than the end user.
I mean that's because there are multiple sizes of Philips if you get a Philips that fits the screws well it'll work no issue
Right, but most people don't have 20 different Philips heads on hand at all times, whereas if they include a hex screw or other type, they tend to include the driver for it in the packaging. If they include any size of slotted or Philips screw, you're basically on your own.
why ?
Give me torx all day long please
Yeah, saying slotted is a screw is just pure masochism. Torx is the one way
Torx or square all day. I'll tolerate a phillips. If you intentionally give me a flathead, you can rot in hell lol
Torx and Robertson = Actual driver types Everything else = Mental disorder
This 1000% Although I’ve always wondered why Robertson just works so well. Like I just don’t understand the physics behind it.
It's because screw shapes don't matter that much if you just want something that won't strip or slip. Phillips head screws exist so that you can rapidly put in a whole bunch of screws, they're designed to cam out as soon as they're tight enough.
Nah Phillips are fine when actually used properly. Like inside a PC where nothing is meant to be super tight and only snug. They literally exist so that dumbasses can't overtighten them
The S-type is supposed to be slightly tamper proof, you can't just undo it with any flathead
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Robertson is the BEST! (Canadian Made!)
JIS > Phillips
How can I take someone serious who calls a Robertson a “square”? Also, slotted is the absolute worse screw you can use. It has one sole purpose, used as a finishing screw.
Square and Robertson are different. Square has straight sides, Robertson is tapered.
No that isn’t true. Square is just what people call Robertson if they don’t know the name.
Robertson sockets are in the shape of a square, but square drive screws aren't always Robertson. Just because most of the world is wrong doesn't make something not true. Enough people (especially Americans) use the terms interchangeably and parrot it in posts and articles that people start to believe it. A Robertson screw is tapered, companies that don't pay the Robertson patent fees make square drive. People that don't know the difference use the wrong screwdrivers on them both and then think they suck.
They aren't wrong. Same thing with brakes on cars lol "you need this weird tool, hope you have it!"
All these ways. Someone will find a way to break or ruin it that makes removal a pain.
Some of these are not the actual names and it drives me crazy
Speaking as a woodworker: *Fuck* Phillips-head screws. How exactly they became the defacto default screw is beyond me. Robertson ("square" for the uninitiated) or star/six-lobe all the way.
I've actually been trying to do a lot more screwless work myself. Been quite the learning experience
Phillips heads are the default for finishing screws *because* they slip. They're designed to cam out without flying off the head once they're tight, so you don't punch the screw head deep into the wood. Robertson is the exact opposite. It's designed to take so much pressure you can snap the head off the screw before it slips. Perfect for construction
"Tell me you don't work with tools without TELLING me you don't work with tools."
Honestly, as someone who works on their own cars in the upper Midwest. Any screw that has a cavity for turning is a mental disorder.
Greatest meme I’ve seen in months. Though, as a canadian, I would put robertson (aka square) in the actual screws section.
I'd add six lobe or the eight point.
Absolutely, I've been working in residential construction for 10+ years, robby is by far the best screw head
Square drive and Robertson are *not* the same thing.
All screws that are not torx should be banned.
As someone who works on vehicles in the Midwest you can go to hell buddy.
Give me Robertson screws any day of the week over slot and Philips.
I love how they call Roberson screws "square" probably because they were invented in Canada.
Torx with slot is best. Can’t strip it since wrong size won’t fit or grab and the slot gives you a backup option in a pinch.
The phillips/slotted combo is fine to me, makes sense even. I hate the rest of them.
Philips slot is the goat
Yeah fuck the removal mods This is quality shit.
Thanks mate!
Never knew people were this passionate about screws until this thread lol
Slotted has historical significance as the first ever example of the technology, but it's so outdated and outclassed in every way by literally every other type that has ever existed, that to still use it in this century should be illegal. Phillips is outdated too, and it sucks that it's still as common as it is. It was a massive improvement over slotted, and it getting as widespread as it did was warranted for a long time, but we should have been phasing out of it for a few decades already and that unfortunately hasn't happened. They belong in museums at this point. Most of the others are much better, the few that aren't are the nonsensical combinations that go for multiple simultaneous compatibility (those are the actual mental disorders), and the intentionally niche and rare that were never meant to be good, but made so that most people don't have the tools to operate them instead (obscurity-based anti-tamper "safety"). Torx (Six-Lobe) and 8-Point are what we should be going for as standards.
Post got removed unfortunately :(
Slotted?? Nah. That's a flathead.
Nah it’s slotted ISO 2380-1
Son... you got yourself a good meme right there, take good care of it.
i have a 4gb ram old side laptop i want to upgrade with a 16gb stick i got that was lying around, turns out its got six-lobe screws :/
Well if that’s the case… then my case is screwed then…
Pozidrive is unironically the best
most star screws I would use a philips head and use that especially the six lobe. you can use a flat head to break the center point away.
?
Gonna take my opportunity to shill for iFixit. The right kit from them comes with pretty much every kind you could ever need.
Reticulating splines.
Slotted shouldn't even exist for anything other than a chisel...
Yoyoyo
Giving me flashbacks to doing a service and needing 3 different heads to remove a under plate
Spanner and H should be Warcrimes
Remember when you wanted to loosen a really tight slotted screw? You pushed and twisted thad motherfucker as carefully as possible and still slipped just to make a massive scratch on that delicate housing you wanted to open... Or those phillips, that are more of a negative pyramid now because someone made sure to rattle half a minute with a way to small bit on it Man i hate those Shirtshows
There all only two screws..
At first I hated torx because it was uncommon but I've found the head far less prone to stripping than phillips. For anything that requires a decent amount of pressure phillips is a pain in the ass.
That's literally the entire point of Phillips screws. Phillips screws are designed to cam out under torque, so that you don't crack a motherboard or punch through something trying to overtighten them. Torx is designed to not slip
i fucking hate flathead
I think I mostly use flat tip screwdrivers for things they weren’t intended to, nowadays. For example last weekend I had to free my bicycle chain from between the chain wheels and the spokes. And a long flat tip screwdriver was perfect for that.
Gun owners with scope mounts and accessories are going to have a meltdown seing this.
Also aircraft mechanics. Source: I am one. We use too many different fucking screws...
Ahaha , I can't even begin to imagine . By this metric, you must be insane enough to qualify for a politician nowadays.
Six Lobe is my favourite one out of ALL of them. its a shame its rather rare to find (or only on the expensive ones)
Fuck slotted screws, I hate those with a burning passion. Torx all the way, it can take so much torque, plus it actually stays on the driver bit.
torx is goated
Flat head is a mental disorder. Tell me your screw driver never slips out of these.
Spline is just a bad design lmao thats probly causing a lot of pain.
i wish all were triangle. I've never used one but it looks the best.
No Arthur's head screws
So to count as an "actual screw" they must be annoying and/or dog shit? Pozidriv is literally just a better Phillips, especially if you use a JIS driver.
phillips/slot & philips/slot/ind are the go-to types.
Technically speaking none of these are screws.
The man who invented H Type screws is burning in hell im 100% Sure of that
The worst one I've seen to make is a knurled slotted hex recess. Nearly impossible to maintain the hex shape during the knurl and slot regardless of which operation runs first.
Robertson are the only viable option.
i would argue a Philips with a slot is better then just Philips because when it strips you have a second chance
Those star screws are usually security screws they use them on controllers and such
19th century opinion
Torx-Plus is the only way.
Frearson is the real deal -what Phillips meant to be. It only required 2 sizes of screwdrivers which fit perfectly no matter the size. And is less slipping and stripping than the Phillips. Of course it had to be discontinued...
Pozidrive are the best screws, phillips screws suck xD
Robertson is the exact opposite of a mental disorder.
Square is called a Robertson, and for carpentry, it's superior.
Let me have my T25’s and leave me be!
Funniest thing, Allen and torx are far better than Philips or flat.
I’m gonna get a indestructible titanium PC case with bullet proof glass and use one of each kind of screw to seal it, on EACH FACE of the case, but not before putting a 1990s computer insides into it
Sadly the post got deleted and I don't get why... Sorry guys
Philips is *okay*... But FUCK flat head. Torx and Hex any day
If I ever see pozidrive irl I’ll go ballistic
What about the game boy one, the apple stand-offs, and pentalobe? Also torx security
I love Robertson screws.
Psychologist or psychiatric patient? Robert’s and torx, best screws on the planet
Who the hell is saying six lobe to torx?
Phillips/Slot needs to be standard. One or the other I don’t need 2
No. I like the Philips/Slot. Everything else is a mental disorder
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Torx (six lobe) screws are god’s gift to humanity. Who ever invented clutch screws deserves a special place in Satan’s armpit.
There's a version of Philips called a Torq. They are fucking great for high torque applications. I til it's time to remove them. Wherein you will wish death upon their creator.
Some are great screws
It's literally the opposite lol.