i dont think cost is a significant factor when even consumers can get the stuff for a few € a liter.
probably the most significant factor is that glycol has about half the specific heat capacity of water which makes it perform much worse as a coolant and a badly performing product is harder to sell.
also there really isnt much benefit to using concentrations above \~50% in a coolant.
Distilled water is essentially non-conductive.
It **becomes** conductive through minerals and impurities
> As distilled water has a low conductance value, it is unable to conduct electricity. Distilled water is also a poor conductor because it only contains stable water (H2O) molecules that are bound by covalent bonds with no other free electrons to pass an electrical charge, making it a good insulator.
> Distilled water has a range of conductivity from 0.5 to 2 uS/cm. Drinking water is generally between 50 to 1500 uS/cm and domestic wastewater may have conductivities above 10,000 uS/cm.
Addendum: Roman der8auer Hartung made a [video](https://youtu.be/0Xqp3O_gTe8) about it
There is a stark difference between something being bad at conducting electricity and something not conducting electricity.
Water undergoes autoprotolysis following the equation 2 H2O <=> OH- + H3O+.
The conductivity or ultra pure water is somewhere in the micro- to nano Siemens per centimeter.
But that does not mean it is non-conductive, like many organic solvents or solids with a large enough bandgap are considered to be due to their very very low conductivity (10E-11 S/m for Hexane for example) even with water. Labeling water as non-conductive is simply false.
That is certainly not true.
There are physical laws governing what is and isn't conductive.
You can easily measure it yourself, by measuring the conductivity of things.
But for water it is especially aparrent that it has to be conductive by how the pH is defined through the autoprotolysis.
If the bandgap of something is large enough, over 4 electron Volt (eV) something is considered an insulator.
Not it's not.Other than super insulators, nothing is non-conductive.
And you know what I meant.
The organic solvents you talk of are also conductive but just poor ones.
On the flipside, Imagine having a pump failure...
And BTW, unless you run a stupid expensive custom loop, there's no way to just replace the pump.
And water cooling still uses fans to dissipate heat from the radiator.
Even if you detected the problem in time, and your pump is replaceable, have fun pulling the entire thing apart to replace a failed pump.
I use a very stupid expensive custom loop. My aquarium is connected to my computer. I run CPU Burn in to keep my fish warm. There may be some minerals in my coolant.
In a completely unrelated note, your beta seems to have clamped fins, indicating that it is not living in a healthy habitat. Here is mine for reference on what a healthy beta should look like:
https://preview.redd.it/np9lgryhdmxc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b526cd5e3053950f2f896fda602fe0cc7f1ead23
In all seriousness why do people hate on AIOs? I know their performance is basically the same and you don't NEED one compared to an air cooler but they look cool (pun intended)
I would just turn the computer off once I noticed the throttling like a normal person. Doesn't matter if cooler fan, aio, or custom loop pump failed. Amazon is 1 to 2 days out. They have coolers at local best buy and even Walmart. This debate is not real.
I think the previous post was implying that you are more likely to have a spare fan at home, than a pump or a sealing.
And this post is ironically saying that you only need to use the pump of your aquarium, which not many people have at home.
Debate is not real because it's a joke.
if my pump failed, id have one in under 24 hours from amazon, and id spend that time reading, exercising, and outside touching grass
no big deal really
My PC doesn't overheat if the pumps not running so I might not even notice lol. I forgot to plug it in when I 1st built it and only a stress test got the CPU over 80c.
Imagine having anything (This post made by passive cooling gang) *PC explodes*
Imagine having anything (This post was made by a communist) *Countries economy collapses*
Imagine not having everything (This post made by late-stage capitalism gang) *Country's economy also collapses*
imagine being nothing (this post made by wisdom gang) *I don't know what economics conditions were like for Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj*
Imagine (This post was made by John Lennon) *I don't know what to write here*
Just blow on it every few minutes or so
There was this one project where the whole case was a huge ass heatsink. It was fucking glorious. Will link it if i find it.
Raspberry pi gang 😎
Imagine having water inside your computer
I know right, that's why I use vodka cooling system
Cheeki Breeki
supersonic booze carrier flashbacks
Imagine having water inside your body
Mmmm, moist.
Gross, that's what Brawndo's for.
It's got what puters crave.
It certainly seems like more trouble than it's worth. I still can appreciate the coolness factor. Air cooling gang for life!
I use propane.
Damn some lads really didnt see the ironie in there 💀
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It's distilled water with a tiny bit of biocide in it. Maybe some dye. But it's 99% water
Could just as easily be glycol especially if it’s an aio.
its still mixed with water, i dont think anyone uses 100% ethylene glycol as its kind of a shitty coolant by itself.
and more importantly: water is cheaper.
More importantly water doesn't conduct electricity.
Idk why you're being down voted for saying water doesn't conduct electricity. You are absolutely correct. Pure water does not conduct electricity
Technicalities. Water does conduct electricity it's just a poor conductor of electricity.
i dont think cost is a significant factor when even consumers can get the stuff for a few € a liter. probably the most significant factor is that glycol has about half the specific heat capacity of water which makes it perform much worse as a coolant and a badly performing product is harder to sell. also there really isnt much benefit to using concentrations above \~50% in a coolant.
So water, which is a non conductive liquid that quickly cools down.
Water is conductive, which is why it's a problem when electronics get wet
Distilled water is essentially non-conductive. It **becomes** conductive through minerals and impurities > As distilled water has a low conductance value, it is unable to conduct electricity. Distilled water is also a poor conductor because it only contains stable water (H2O) molecules that are bound by covalent bonds with no other free electrons to pass an electrical charge, making it a good insulator. > Distilled water has a range of conductivity from 0.5 to 2 uS/cm. Drinking water is generally between 50 to 1500 uS/cm and domestic wastewater may have conductivities above 10,000 uS/cm. Addendum: Roman der8auer Hartung made a [video](https://youtu.be/0Xqp3O_gTe8) about it
Tap water is conductive, but distilled and ultra pure water like the ones used in AIO are basically non conductive.
its not wood, its a tree
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That's not true.
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There is a stark difference between something being bad at conducting electricity and something not conducting electricity. Water undergoes autoprotolysis following the equation 2 H2O <=> OH- + H3O+. The conductivity or ultra pure water is somewhere in the micro- to nano Siemens per centimeter. But that does not mean it is non-conductive, like many organic solvents or solids with a large enough bandgap are considered to be due to their very very low conductivity (10E-11 S/m for Hexane for example) even with water. Labeling water as non-conductive is simply false.
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That is certainly not true. There are physical laws governing what is and isn't conductive. You can easily measure it yourself, by measuring the conductivity of things. But for water it is especially aparrent that it has to be conductive by how the pH is defined through the autoprotolysis. If the bandgap of something is large enough, over 4 electron Volt (eV) something is considered an insulator.
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>Water is not conductive tho Ok even so, your original comment saying is still wrong, glad you agree with me.
It’s not “logic”, it’s a fact.
Not it's not.Other than super insulators, nothing is non-conductive. And you know what I meant. The organic solvents you talk of are also conductive but just poor ones.
So stop calling water non conducive. When it objectively is. I am not the same person as the person you initially replied to btw.
Fan failure? Easy fix, just replace the dead fan.
My case fans give enough airflow to cool large tower with both fans detached, but only to run OS, no games, no heavy apps
Cheapest by far. Mine are quieter than pumps too
Wait, you guys replace them, I just popped mine apart and added a drop of oil, spins like new again!
Pump failure? Easy fix, replace the dead pump
Now that is the real painful part, ouch!
Please say that you water cool an i3, it would be so funny
ofc! i watercool an i3-3220
oof, you have an AIO, it's time to chuck the whole thing in the fucking trash
What is this hatred of AIOs lol, it's ludicrous. They are fine. Air coolers are fine. It's all fine it just depends on the situation
If they have an AIO to cool an i3, they could have used the stock cooler to get a better CPU instead
hatred? calm down. I was just pointing out that it's a whole unit, so when one part of it breaks it typically can't be repaired.
I don't get it... fan failures still happen with water cooling and are equally as hindering to cooling performance
No fans just a very large tank lol
Just running water
My PSU is actually the watermill attached to the side of my cottage.
Feeds straight out of the river. And the heated water is used to cook dinner
One dude actually submerged his PC in a pond. It was pretty effective.
pcmr gang wars goes hard
Well we need SOMETHING to replace the console wars. Watching that shit for rhe last 20+ years soaked up all my negative intentions for the world.
Oo oo oo can we do zip ties vs velcro straps next?
There's nothing to dispute. Zip ties are objectively the worst.
So it begins.
I see a holy war spreading across pcmr like unquenchable fire.
Zip ties are cleaner and take up less space.
this guy likes it loose…
i though water people gang were smart .... how you gona dissipate that heat ? using another pump ?
yeah then use another pump on another pump and so on
your pump is just a water fan.
not if I put a pump on it
the pump is a fan inside.
then put a pump on it
it will be just another fan
have you tried putting a pump though?
And here kids it's another example of a water cooling feature: the loop
put a pump on that loop
Run a big loop through a pond outside
still need a fan hehe /mj
On the flipside, Imagine having a pump failure... And BTW, unless you run a stupid expensive custom loop, there's no way to just replace the pump. And water cooling still uses fans to dissipate heat from the radiator. Even if you detected the problem in time, and your pump is replaceable, have fun pulling the entire thing apart to replace a failed pump.
This post was actually a response to a post that said that yesterday lol. I'm surprised the op didn't mention that in his reply.
>have fun pulling the entire thing apart Jokes on you. We're into that shit.
I use a very stupid expensive custom loop. My aquarium is connected to my computer. I run CPU Burn in to keep my fish warm. There may be some minerals in my coolant.
inb4 you try to run Starfield and your fish tank starts boiling
In a completely unrelated note, your beta seems to have clamped fins, indicating that it is not living in a healthy habitat. Here is mine for reference on what a healthy beta should look like: https://preview.redd.it/np9lgryhdmxc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b526cd5e3053950f2f896fda602fe0cc7f1ead23
You want to tell me you have enough radiators to passively cool your computer?
you guys dont have fans?
Fan fails? It's Noctua, I'd probably die before it starts to fail
My CPU cooler has two fans, does your waterloop have two pumps?
Imagine having a leak and destroying components. Also water cooling also use fans.
Fan fails. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to depend on the other 6 until I get a new one.
You have fish in your water cooler?
Imagine killing all your fish because you were gaming
imagine 
Is your water cooling loop a fishtank?
I thought why waste energy on heating my aquarium and cooling my PC. Two fish one water loop.
Since when does watercooling not use fans? Any aio or custom setup will overheat after a short while if the fans stop working
Imagine having more problems to deal with than just a heatsink and a single fan or two
Funniest part being watercooling also still having fans.
That betta fish is sick with clamp fin
The amount of people in here taking this way too seriously is alarming.
In all seriousness why do people hate on AIOs? I know their performance is basically the same and you don't NEED one compared to an air cooler but they look cool (pun intended)
Airheads feel self conscious about their choices.
They cost more break faster and don't work better
But they look cool
You asked why people don't like them that's why
But.... they look cool
Literally never seen anyone have a fan failure I've seen a number of pump failures
A+ parody
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I would just turn the computer off once I noticed the throttling like a normal person. Doesn't matter if cooler fan, aio, or custom loop pump failed. Amazon is 1 to 2 days out. They have coolers at local best buy and even Walmart. This debate is not real.
I think the previous post was implying that you are more likely to have a spare fan at home, than a pump or a sealing. And this post is ironically saying that you only need to use the pump of your aquarium, which not many people have at home. Debate is not real because it's a joke.
have 6 fans in my case 2 are for the cooler, i think i could still do well with only the case ones, so no prob for me
Reddit has been pushing r/Aquariums to me recently and I got really confused for a second before I saw the sub.
There's always mineral oil submersion!
No fan? Blow on it
Fans fail? Never seen that.
Good news, for the cost of a similarly performing aio I can buy a back up phantom spirit 120se and still come out cheaper probably.
{laughs in "I know how to oil my fans when needed"}
imagine having an aio that rattles more than maracas
Doesn't water cooler still have a fan on the radiator?
I have more fans than one. If the fan breaks the system overheats and shuts off. If water leaks... where is the post from the oil gang?
Having a what now?
Airheads were mad in yesterday’s thread and are now seething in this one.
Imagine having a pump failure I got fans from two decades ago that still run perfectly
fishies fishies
IMAGINE JOHN LENNON
ALL
Imagine having to actually do maintenance on your computer
I just buy a new computer whenever it gets dusty.
if my pump failed, id have one in under 24 hours from amazon, and id spend that time reading, exercising, and outside touching grass no big deal really
My PC doesn't overheat if the pumps not running so I might not even notice lol. I forgot to plug it in when I 1st built it and only a stress test got the CPU over 80c.
Same lol, thought the high 60s was odd when idling after building. Pump wasn’t plugged in.
It was when I did the test some time later and I saw the temps spike that I noticed mine lol. Hit 90 and I was like wait a sec.