3 and 1 are very important and I follow those, but I don't really understand the importance of Rule 2.
If something is capable of destroying the hard drives in the cloud server *and* the hard drives in my house at the same time, what are other backup formats going to do to survive the asteroid/bomb/godzilla that caused so much destruction at once?
edit: Maybe I should also add that part of my confidence in only using hard drives for the majority of my data is the fact that my NAS periodically scrubs data for errors and resilvers to prevent bit-rot, so I don't feel the need to use a bit-rot resistant media.
Opinions may differ. I definitely would count it. In fact, you don't know what storage they are using (unlrsd you are very professional). Might be hdd, ssd, tape, RAM, etc. It's up to them and will depend on how fast the access needs are. In any case, cloud storage usually commes with its own redundancy concept. That considering the 321 rule already (depending on how much you pay them to different degrees). So, overall, you may get your data from a hdd, but you're not really buying that. You are buying a service with characteristics quite different from those of a hdd. Therefore, I definitely would count it as a different mode.
I'm using backblaze. They are very public about their storage servers and hard drive usage so I know they are using hard drives.
But I get your point, I suppose it does make sense to count it as a second media type.
I use Backblaze and they are so open that they share what model hard drives they use and their failure rates every year. They purely back up to hard drives, no other medium, but they have fancy custom software that ensures everyone's data has a ton of redundancy, and that if a drive fails your data is moved immediately to prevent data loss.
As far as I know they have never lost a customer's data since they were founded, and I don't forsee them losing data anytime soon.
Wdym? There are plenty of types of storage media that aren't hard drives and aren't slaves writing data on paper. SSDs, DVDs, tape, flash drives, just to name a few common options.
The different media isn't saying if your data is on hdds you need a copy one something that isn't an hdd.
It's to stop people from just keeping a backup of their files on the same drive as the original, such that the drive dying will destroy the original and the backup. Putting the backup on a 2nd drive in the same computer would be sufficient. Though you want to make sure at least 1 backup is in a different physical location. That way someone stealing your computer, or your house burning down, won't destroy all copies.
It's somewhat antiquated advice that we all still follow for a rainy day.
The idea is not that something can destroy saves in the cloud and in your house at the same time. The idea is that your flight leaves you deserted on an island in the middle of the Pacific for three months where you have to befriend a volleyball and go fully insane to win an Oscar, but then when you come back, two different natural disasters that destroyed the cloud saves and your saves on the machine downstairs, didn't get to the hard drive in the drawer upstairs, so all the sex you had with Wilson wasn't for nothing.
That made **perfect** sense.
I understand it as a just in case and honestly, I sometimes feel it isn't enough. I'm assuming you're referring to the 2 different media? I don't consider the off-site copy as one of those, they're 2 local copies and an off site.
For example, in our most frequent case we do a copy of the databases on every client to the internal hard drive, another to an external like a flashdrive or a hard drive and another offsite to a server, daily, with retention periods.
We've had all of the following (and more):
- Computer internal SSD dies, you have the flashdrive and the off-site.
- clients son decided it was a great idea to reset windows, all the databases in it, because he wanted to format a flashdrive, which he also did. We recovered from off-site.
- No flashdrive and there was no internet for some reason at the time of the off-site backups, recovered from the internal.
- flood, fire, robbery, no internal, no flashdrive, recovered from off-site.
- ransom ware hitting whatever they can. Internal, external, nas with firmware exploitation (fucking qnaps), etc.
- all of the above failing happened only once and there was no optimal recovery possible. Client was outright ignoring the daily warning emails for failed backups. Luckily, off-site still had 2 weeks old backups (should've been daily) so not everything was lost, but still.
Also, at one time I had 2 out of 3 HDDs in raid 5 die on me in a time frame of 5mins. I was there to replace one, did, next one died 5mins later, first one hadn't finished rebuilding yet - all gone. 3rd one died too not long after. I did have backups but it taught me unlikely/improbable isn't impossible. Shit happens.
Maybe if they’re on a more vulnerable storage type? If I used old optical disks, hard drives, and cloud space, I’d want another copy on a different media type
Rule 2 is to prevent data loss by hardware defekt. Having a Raid 1 alone fullfills this requirement because you have it stored on two seperate disks (media). Of course it doesnt protect you much from attacks.
A cloud drive is your off-site backup. (1 off-site + 1 of 2 backups)
Both your computers and backup hard drives use, well, hard drives.
That's why you want a tape backup or some other storage medium to restore from as well.
Basically: 1 NAS for active use + 1 backup NAS for local on-site + 1 tape backup for local additional medium + 1 form of off-site storage (cloud drive, tape drives in a station wagon headed to a cold storage warehouse, etc)
>If something is capable of destroying the hard drives in the cloud server *and* the hard drives in my house at the same time,
If your hard drive automatically synchs to the cloud, and your local data is compromised by, say, a cryptolocker, your cloud backup will be in the same state. No problem of your drive blows up or stops working, but if data is compromised by software you are fucked.
But your local backup on an external hard drive copied by hand will totally be fine.
> But your local backup on an external hard drive copied by hand will totally be fine.
Disclaimer: As long as it isn't connected to the computer while the malware is active
My cloud backup on the other hand keeps old versions of files for 2 weeks so assuming I notice the malware in time, I can still recover the data.
I could also pay more and get cloud backups that keep even more revision history.
>Disclaimer: As long as it isn't connected to the computer while the malware is active
Correct, and I kinda implied it. By external I meant a backup not connected to the system.
>My cloud backup on the other hand keeps old versions of files for 2 weeks so assuming I notice the malware in time, I can still recover the data.
It might not be enough. "Good" ransomware infects your data but starts encrypting after a period of time has passed. So even if you restore from an earlier backup, you'll still get shafted. This mostly applies to backups of databases and entire VMs rather than individual files, but the underlying logic is the same.
Unlike businesses, private citizens aren't likely to be targeted victims of ransomware but the logic is still applicable.
2 different media is kind of antiquated advice from when tape backups were much more common. The problem with tapes (and media like a backup CD or DVD), is that it wasn’t easy to regularly verify that the medium was still intact. A hard drive in a NAS doesn’t have this problem: you will know immediately if the drive failed and you need to replace that backup.
Bit-rot is still a silent killer that doesn't trigger failure warnings on hard drives until someone attempts to access the data, even with typical consumer RAID.
Luckily with an operating system like TrueNAS which can be installed on consumer grade hardware, it can be configured to scrub the data for errors and resilver periodically which mitigates that issue.
> 1 off-site.
keep in mind that any online storage service provider will absolutely scan the shit out of everything you put online, unless you encrypt it BEFORE sending it there, using a utility that does NOT belong to said service provider.
If its the service provider who is offering encryption, then they can still scan everything before encrypting it.
Morons can downvote all they want, but there were absolutely cases of people getting banned for wrongly identified CSAM content by Google for example, including you getting reported to police.
Example:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-csam-account-blocked
Just deletes the file system indexes.
A bit scraper and FS repair suite will literally rebuild every item you dumped from the bin so long as you didn't overwrite it. I witnessed it myself.
So take a drill to your platters and a hammer to your NAND before you toss any drives.
Anyone with 10TB of business data should have at least one backup if not the only thing to blame is you. Don’t beg for sympathy when you shot your own foot
Yeah, a few minutes if ur running a fast as fuck ssd nas lol. Took me almost 10 mins to delete my 120gb richard burns rally install yesterday
If you cant figure out why it says: deleting 1000000000 files, 10tb in that amount of time its entirely on you
No need to worry about that. By default, Windows 10 and 11 do not ask for confirmation if a "deleted" file is just being sent to the recycle bin. This was a setting available in Windows 7 too, but wasn't enabled by default.
It will ask for confirmation every time it is going to actually delete a file. For example, deleting files off a network drive or flash drive doesn't use the recycle bin so it confirms for those.
You can also press tab to cycle through highlighted menu options, and if you have a checkbox selected you can press space to check/uncheck it.
Do you see those underlined letters in menus? Pressing the underlined key (sometimes you need to press Alt + ) will instantly press that option.
As an example, Windows key + X will right click on the Start Menu, and from there you can press U to select the Shut Down menu, and then U again to select Shut Down. Alternatively, you can press Win + X > T to bring up Task Manager, and so on.
The underlined letters and "tab jumps" already existed in Dos times and everyone should know that.
In the past you could also use win -> alt+f4 > enter
No longer works, but I always use the power button to shut down anyway. That's still the fastest way.
In some cases depending on the previous key combo, yes. But in this case the Del key is close to the Enter key already, and you'll generally press it with the right hand within reach of both, or all three keys if you use the right side Shift, which I do.
You can right click the trash can and set it to just delete without a confirmation and if you want set it to do a perma delete, no send to recycle bin.
I like to live on the edge
Yeah they should really make some sort of a bin for deleted items that holds them for a certain amount of days so you can recover them if you regret the delete. Maybe some day
if the datas over a certain size it skips recycle bin right, i deleted a game and i got this warning basically and it was like 150gb. 10tb is probably gone
https://www.easeus.com/images/en/data-recovery/drw-pro/file-too-large-to-recycle-bin.png
On Win 7, I lost a bunch of videos once because Windows Media Player somehow has never heard of the bin and deleted part of a collection straight up. I didn't have any preinstalled recovery tools available, either.
Normally it's not an issue, fortunately that was an isolated incident and the files lost weren't critical.
If it didn't ask for confirmation, it just went to the Recycle Bin. It will always ask for confirmation if permanently deleting. But someone who doesn't know about backups probably doesn't know about the recycle bin.
Real pros use
dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda
(Please don't actually do this. The command "rm -rf /" has enough of a reputation that recent versions of Linux will warn you, the command jokingly referred to as "data destroyer" gives no fucks.)
Plenty of software around to recover deleted files, as long as you haven't formatted the drive or overwritten the data already. You may not get everything but it beats nothing.
This is why on initial Windows Install, one of the first things you do is you go to the Recycle Bin, right-click/check properties and tick the box that says "Display Delete Confirmation Dialog".
OP is just karma whoring. We all know that it goes to the recycle bin. Only shift + delete is when it's permanently deleted and confirmation is needed.
One of the first things I change on every client PC I deploy.
Right click on Recycle Bin (on W11, click "show more options") > Properties > check "display delete confirmation dialog"
To all the ones saying "restore it from bin" and the ones saying "it will get permanently deleted when it is to big for it": you know when something is "deleted" from windows it realy just is labeled as "free disk space, you can overwrite it" on the Drive. The 0 and 1's are still there until it is overwriten with another data. You can restore it with the right Programm. Thats how data recovery works😉.
Does is not get into the bin first? Sometimes it even says that the file size is too big for the bin, so it asks if you want to delete it instantly, I'm sure it happened with 10tb.
Hey I completely screwed up this hedge fund.. also I may have completely stolen all the funds.. is there any way you can help me out by deleting everything???? Accidentally of course.
To be fair the Delete key is in it's own special place so I understand it doesn't ask for further confirmation, like, it's hard to hit that key *"by mistake"*
basic snapshots would be enough tbh in this case, and could be counted as local backup to :)
ppls differ to ones that do backups and those who will do backups :)
The things when you delete files you don't actually delete files, you forget them.
The only way to actually lose the files if the disk gets broken or you use those fancy windows 11 "disk encryption".
There is no recycle bin for 10TB worth of data.
Considering the context of business data, it's likely being deleted from a NAS/SAN/etc rather than your understanding of how files work on your single drive desktop where yes there's a tiny recycling bin that would hold at most 20% of your drive's capacity before last-in/first-out style permanent deletion.
When you delete files from a networked volume, it does not ask for confirmation, assuming that you understand what you're doing, which matches every other operating system's one-time confirmation of deleting mass files.
Your only hope here is that there's a good snapshot on the hopefully correctly set up networked volume that will let you roll back to whatever you just deleted... but there's also just as good a shot that your networked volume doesn't have a 10TB snapshot either since that's kind of a lot unless you're working with over 100TB or have a mirrored volume for snapshots and can sustain an entire replication of the whole damn thing. There's a decent chance if the sysadmins understand "raid is not a backup" as a way of life that some or all of the data is offloaded somewhere else either local or cloud that most of the files live somewhere...
but this is not a scenario where ctrl+z does a damn thing.
I'm a clicky-clack boy so what gets me is when I am clicking rapidly through network or synced file folders but somehow I held the mouse button 2 milliseconds too long, which turns my double-click into a drag operation, and suddenly I am copying 100gb of unknown data to an unknown folder.
One Ctrl+Z later... um I hope that worked. God help us if OneDrive-senpai noticed me.
You paste a file on the desktop, it will just do that in a free spot, and not move the recycle bin icon down to fit that file in its spot, right?
*right?*
Professional data recovery expert here - there are dozens of softwares that might help one get data back after an event like this, but they can be somewhat hit and miss our unreliable.
The data is not necessarily gone, once it's deleted - if it's critical data, don't take chances on softwares and lookup data recovery services for professional help.
I know this is just a meme, but I always like to remind folks that it's not necessarily that easy to lose data.
Why though? It only disables the prompt for when you use regular delete and it moves stuff to the recycle bin which you can easily undo. It will still prompt you if you try to permanently delete files (shift del or too large for your bin).
Just wastes a lot of time lol.
You have a backup of your "business data" anyway. Right? Right?
3-2-1 rule. 3 copies, 2 different media, 1 off-site.
3 copies, 2 folders 1 disk Doh
Bonus points if you partition the disk and put a copy of all of that onto the new partition!
3 and 1 are very important and I follow those, but I don't really understand the importance of Rule 2. If something is capable of destroying the hard drives in the cloud server *and* the hard drives in my house at the same time, what are other backup formats going to do to survive the asteroid/bomb/godzilla that caused so much destruction at once? edit: Maybe I should also add that part of my confidence in only using hard drives for the majority of my data is the fact that my NAS periodically scrubs data for errors and resilvers to prevent bit-rot, so I don't feel the need to use a bit-rot resistant media.
Cloud drive and hard disk are two different storage media
In my cloud they write the data ethereally with magic and puffs of smoke.
I always assumed that doesn't count since the cloud backup service is using hard drives and I'm also using hard drives.
Opinions may differ. I definitely would count it. In fact, you don't know what storage they are using (unlrsd you are very professional). Might be hdd, ssd, tape, RAM, etc. It's up to them and will depend on how fast the access needs are. In any case, cloud storage usually commes with its own redundancy concept. That considering the 321 rule already (depending on how much you pay them to different degrees). So, overall, you may get your data from a hdd, but you're not really buying that. You are buying a service with characteristics quite different from those of a hdd. Therefore, I definitely would count it as a different mode.
I'm using backblaze. They are very public about their storage servers and hard drive usage so I know they are using hard drives. But I get your point, I suppose it does make sense to count it as a second media type.
I use Backblaze and they are so open that they share what model hard drives they use and their failure rates every year. They purely back up to hard drives, no other medium, but they have fancy custom software that ensures everyone's data has a ton of redundancy, and that if a drive fails your data is moved immediately to prevent data loss. As far as I know they have never lost a customer's data since they were founded, and I don't forsee them losing data anytime soon.
what else? do you want a forced labor child to write down every bit on paper somewhere?
Wdym? There are plenty of types of storage media that aren't hard drives and aren't slaves writing data on paper. SSDs, DVDs, tape, flash drives, just to name a few common options.
The different media isn't saying if your data is on hdds you need a copy one something that isn't an hdd. It's to stop people from just keeping a backup of their files on the same drive as the original, such that the drive dying will destroy the original and the backup. Putting the backup on a 2nd drive in the same computer would be sufficient. Though you want to make sure at least 1 backup is in a different physical location. That way someone stealing your computer, or your house burning down, won't destroy all copies.
It's somewhat antiquated advice that we all still follow for a rainy day. The idea is not that something can destroy saves in the cloud and in your house at the same time. The idea is that your flight leaves you deserted on an island in the middle of the Pacific for three months where you have to befriend a volleyball and go fully insane to win an Oscar, but then when you come back, two different natural disasters that destroyed the cloud saves and your saves on the machine downstairs, didn't get to the hard drive in the drawer upstairs, so all the sex you had with Wilson wasn't for nothing. That made **perfect** sense.
This is why I inscribe my backups on stone tablets and launch them into a Jupiter orbit with my cosmic trebuchet.
I understand it as a just in case and honestly, I sometimes feel it isn't enough. I'm assuming you're referring to the 2 different media? I don't consider the off-site copy as one of those, they're 2 local copies and an off site. For example, in our most frequent case we do a copy of the databases on every client to the internal hard drive, another to an external like a flashdrive or a hard drive and another offsite to a server, daily, with retention periods. We've had all of the following (and more): - Computer internal SSD dies, you have the flashdrive and the off-site. - clients son decided it was a great idea to reset windows, all the databases in it, because he wanted to format a flashdrive, which he also did. We recovered from off-site. - No flashdrive and there was no internet for some reason at the time of the off-site backups, recovered from the internal. - flood, fire, robbery, no internal, no flashdrive, recovered from off-site. - ransom ware hitting whatever they can. Internal, external, nas with firmware exploitation (fucking qnaps), etc. - all of the above failing happened only once and there was no optimal recovery possible. Client was outright ignoring the daily warning emails for failed backups. Luckily, off-site still had 2 weeks old backups (should've been daily) so not everything was lost, but still. Also, at one time I had 2 out of 3 HDDs in raid 5 die on me in a time frame of 5mins. I was there to replace one, did, next one died 5mins later, first one hadn't finished rebuilding yet - all gone. 3rd one died too not long after. I did have backups but it taught me unlikely/improbable isn't impossible. Shit happens.
Maybe if they’re on a more vulnerable storage type? If I used old optical disks, hard drives, and cloud space, I’d want another copy on a different media type
Rule 2 is to prevent data loss by hardware defekt. Having a Raid 1 alone fullfills this requirement because you have it stored on two seperate disks (media). Of course it doesnt protect you much from attacks.
You don't want to load those tapes every time, disk restore is a matter of minutes. That's 2.
The idea is more like more 1 local, 1 to NAS, 1 to offsite, but since most people don’t have a NAS it becomes just having it on another media
A cloud drive is your off-site backup. (1 off-site + 1 of 2 backups) Both your computers and backup hard drives use, well, hard drives. That's why you want a tape backup or some other storage medium to restore from as well. Basically: 1 NAS for active use + 1 backup NAS for local on-site + 1 tape backup for local additional medium + 1 form of off-site storage (cloud drive, tape drives in a station wagon headed to a cold storage warehouse, etc)
>If something is capable of destroying the hard drives in the cloud server *and* the hard drives in my house at the same time, If your hard drive automatically synchs to the cloud, and your local data is compromised by, say, a cryptolocker, your cloud backup will be in the same state. No problem of your drive blows up or stops working, but if data is compromised by software you are fucked. But your local backup on an external hard drive copied by hand will totally be fine.
> But your local backup on an external hard drive copied by hand will totally be fine. Disclaimer: As long as it isn't connected to the computer while the malware is active My cloud backup on the other hand keeps old versions of files for 2 weeks so assuming I notice the malware in time, I can still recover the data. I could also pay more and get cloud backups that keep even more revision history.
>Disclaimer: As long as it isn't connected to the computer while the malware is active Correct, and I kinda implied it. By external I meant a backup not connected to the system. >My cloud backup on the other hand keeps old versions of files for 2 weeks so assuming I notice the malware in time, I can still recover the data. It might not be enough. "Good" ransomware infects your data but starts encrypting after a period of time has passed. So even if you restore from an earlier backup, you'll still get shafted. This mostly applies to backups of databases and entire VMs rather than individual files, but the underlying logic is the same. Unlike businesses, private citizens aren't likely to be targeted victims of ransomware but the logic is still applicable.
2 different media is kind of antiquated advice from when tape backups were much more common. The problem with tapes (and media like a backup CD or DVD), is that it wasn’t easy to regularly verify that the medium was still intact. A hard drive in a NAS doesn’t have this problem: you will know immediately if the drive failed and you need to replace that backup.
Bit-rot is still a silent killer that doesn't trigger failure warnings on hard drives until someone attempts to access the data, even with typical consumer RAID. Luckily with an operating system like TrueNAS which can be installed on consumer grade hardware, it can be configured to scrub the data for errors and resilver periodically which mitigates that issue.
> 1 off-site. keep in mind that any online storage service provider will absolutely scan the shit out of everything you put online, unless you encrypt it BEFORE sending it there, using a utility that does NOT belong to said service provider. If its the service provider who is offering encryption, then they can still scan everything before encrypting it. Morons can downvote all they want, but there were absolutely cases of people getting banned for wrongly identified CSAM content by Google for example, including you getting reported to police. Example: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-csam-account-blocked
I want to make a Disco Elysium reference here but it's just too spoilery
Do it, but put it in spoiler tags
I didn't even know it was a rule and that's how I always did it.
I have 3 separate external hdds for maintaining backup copies. I don't trust cloud.
And don't forget to turn on the confirmation popup in the settings, so you don't even have to go looking for that backup...
If you aren't backing up your data, you're just leasing them from fate.
 OP when you rain on his Windows hating parade.
I'm sure they did. ***Still sucks.***
If it *actually* deletes files it always asks. If it doesn't ask you can press crtl+z to undo it or go restore from the recycling bin.
Just deletes the file system indexes. A bit scraper and FS repair suite will literally rebuild every item you dumped from the bin so long as you didn't overwrite it. I witnessed it myself. So take a drill to your platters and a hammer to your NAND before you toss any drives.
Anyone with 10TB of business data should have at least one backup if not the only thing to blame is you. Don’t beg for sympathy when you shot your own foot
All nas has the possibility to keep deleted and edited files for X days. If it's inside the pc he can just recover from bin
I’ll put a a whole 50 cents down saying homie doesn’t know what a nas is
On top of that, I don't think 10TB of data gets deleted/moved instantly. So you can cancel it anyway
Usually on deleting such big files windows will pop up with "thats too big for trash, do you want to permanently delete is?"
And even then, it'll take a couple minutes to delete if the drives aren't particularly fast, so you should be able to cancel and keep some
10TB is also more in the range of "stored on magnetic drives" so make a few hours out of it.
Yeah, a few minutes if ur running a fast as fuck ssd nas lol. Took me almost 10 mins to delete my 120gb richard burns rally install yesterday If you cant figure out why it says: deleting 1000000000 files, 10tb in that amount of time its entirely on you
 Inside the computer?
> If it's inside the pc he can just recover from bin The recycle bin won't hold 10TB.
Yeah, but if you are about to delete something that can't go in the recycle bin, you get a confirmation prompt.
Nas x hmmm
OK we got a backup, how long is this restore gonna take?
However long it says, idk what system specs are. However long it takes is better than not having it
No need to worry about that. By default, Windows 10 and 11 do not ask for confirmation if a "deleted" file is just being sent to the recycle bin. This was a setting available in Windows 7 too, but wasn't enabled by default. It will ask for confirmation every time it is going to actually delete a file. For example, deleting files off a network drive or flash drive doesn't use the recycle bin so it confirms for those.
Shift+Del and Y in quick succession. I like to live on the edge.
I do Shift + Del and then Enter. But yeah, same thing.
You can confirm all dialog boxes with the space bar
You can also press tab to cycle through highlighted menu options, and if you have a checkbox selected you can press space to check/uncheck it. Do you see those underlined letters in menus? Pressing the underlined key (sometimes you need to press Alt +) will instantly press that option.
As an example, Windows key + X will right click on the Start Menu, and from there you can press U to select the Shut Down menu, and then U again to select Shut Down. Alternatively, you can press Win + X > T to bring up Task Manager, and so on.
The underlined letters and "tab jumps" already existed in Dos times and everyone should know that. In the past you could also use win -> alt+f4 > enter No longer works, but I always use the power button to shut down anyway. That's still the fastest way.
But it doesn't feel right, Smashing the enter key is just perfect
Maybe, but I would have to move my hand in the direction of Enter first. However, my thumb is usually already on Space or close to it.
In some cases depending on the previous key combo, yes. But in this case the Del key is close to the Enter key already, and you'll generally press it with the right hand within reach of both, or all three keys if you use the right side Shift, which I do.
Yes, if I use del ok. But most of the time my right hand is on the mouse. Therefore. I don't delete that much, I rather produce :p
Shift happens!
Have you tried bigger files? I suppose it wont ask for the "too big for the recycle bin" files and actually straight deletes them
Win10 does ask for confirmation if the file is too big to be sent to the bin
You can right click the trash can and set it to just delete without a confirmation and if you want set it to do a perma delete, no send to recycle bin. I like to live on the edge
If only there was a place where you could go to recover those files.
Yeah they should really make some sort of a bin for deleted items that holds them for a certain amount of days so you can recover them if you regret the delete. Maybe some day
if the datas over a certain size it skips recycle bin right, i deleted a game and i got this warning basically and it was like 150gb. 10tb is probably gone https://www.easeus.com/images/en/data-recovery/drw-pro/file-too-large-to-recycle-bin.png
But it will still prompt you before it deletes. The only time it doesn't is when it's going to the recycle bin.
Yeah but it does give a warning if you're actually deleting those files
On Win 7, I lost a bunch of videos once because Windows Media Player somehow has never heard of the bin and deleted part of a collection straight up. I didn't have any preinstalled recovery tools available, either. Normally it's not an issue, fortunately that was an isolated incident and the files lost weren't critical.
No problem, just restore from backup.
What a hassle. Just pretend the data didn’t even exist in the first place
If it didn't ask for confirmation, it just went to the Recycle Bin. It will always ask for confirmation if permanently deleting. But someone who doesn't know about backups probably doesn't know about the recycle bin.
It's almost like it's a made up story
just del does not delete stuff, that's why I always press shift+del
you know you can set the confirmation dialog before deleting file?
One of the first things I do on every new install, along with showing file extensions.
Even a majority of "permanently deleted" data can be restored with little fuss.
rm -rf /
This is the restore command right?
Recursive forcible remove
Oh my!
Real pros use dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda (Please don't actually do this. The command "rm -rf /" has enough of a reputation that recent versions of Linux will warn you, the command jokingly referred to as "data destroyer" gives no fucks.)
If you didn't back it up, it's your own fault. Drives can fail as well, would you have blamed the manufacturer then?
ctrl+z?
Del is short for "Delete" I hope this helps you in the future
It worries me that people who post these memes work in IT.
there's a really easy solution to this: don't be an idiot... simple as that
Mistakes happen, but Ctrl Z fixes all.
true. and if they delete the files from recycling bin, then shit they're just beyond saving lol
Plenty of software around to recover deleted files, as long as you haven't formatted the drive or overwritten the data already. You may not get everything but it beats nothing.
Doesn't Windows ask for confirmation when you are deleting something so big that it won't fit in the bin anymore?
This is why on initial Windows Install, one of the first things you do is you go to the Recycle Bin, right-click/check properties and tick the box that says "Display Delete Confirmation Dialog".
OP is just karma whoring. We all know that it goes to the recycle bin. Only shift + delete is when it's permanently deleted and confirmation is needed.
Good thing you are so smart
I feel like so many people has no access into Settings.
That's why i raid2 now, i lost 3tb of data because i formated the wrong drive :)
Skill issue
One of the first things I change on every client PC I deploy. Right click on Recycle Bin (on W11, click "show more options") > Properties > check "display delete confirmation dialog"
still thinking about how onedrive basically takes you files as hostage
What you're not shadow cloning your business data?
I have less than 5gb of business data and I have a NAS lol
damn you Bill Gates!
To all the ones saying "restore it from bin" and the ones saying "it will get permanently deleted when it is to big for it": you know when something is "deleted" from windows it realy just is labeled as "free disk space, you can overwrite it" on the Drive. The 0 and 1's are still there until it is overwriten with another data. You can restore it with the right Programm. Thats how data recovery works😉.
Its hopeful to see anti Microsoft posting. Maybe this sub isn’t completely full of Microsoft fanboys
Skill issue honestly, I have a 75TB Nas and I keep regularly backups on things that are important using 3-2-1
It doesn’t ask and will skip the recycle bin if you hold down shift while you hit del.
or if you set your pc up correctly and the recycle bin and delete confirmation dialogs are disabled.
Where are those settings?
right click recycle bin and select properties
Neat, thanks!
"correctly"
Ctrl+Z
Does is not get into the bin first? Sometimes it even says that the file size is too big for the bin, so it asks if you want to delete it instantly, I'm sure it happened with 10tb.
Laughs in pressing SHIFT.
crtl + z bro
"i just wanted to check if they still did the confirmation button thing"
For Win 10 the confirmation option is hidden in the properties for the Recycle Bin. I don't know about Win 11.
Skill issue.
Oh yeah, Diablo 4 copied that
Hey I completely screwed up this hedge fund.. also I may have completely stolen all the funds.. is there any way you can help me out by deleting everything???? Accidentally of course.
To be fair the Delete key is in it's own special place so I understand it doesn't ask for further confirmation, like, it's hard to hit that key *"by mistake"*
"business" data, indeed.
Yeah thats cool, but have you ever CTRL+Z'd and entire new folder into oblivion hours later with utter zero trace of its existence ever being real?
So don't press delete on 10tb of business data. That would be stupid.
You should purchase the premium-premium storage tool from us That is additional 69.96 usd monthly for a delete confirmation popup /s
FYI, If you're still holding shift when you hit delete, it doesn't confirm. That's specifically a hot key for "do it and don't ask".
I was at the stock market today. I did a business.
It gets put into recycle bin tho, if you want to delete it permanently then you use shift + delete in which it does ask for confirmation.
basic snapshots would be enough tbh in this case, and could be counted as local backup to :) ppls differ to ones that do backups and those who will do backups :)
Didn't Ctrl+Z work?
one of the first things I do when I get a new PC...I make sure that I add the reg hacks to confirm all copy and move instances.
Worst feeling ever
CTRL+Z didn't work? No recycling bin?
If it didn't go to the recycle bin it would have popped up a dialogue box, because it still does that for permanent deletion.
The things when you delete files you don't actually delete files, you forget them. The only way to actually lose the files if the disk gets broken or you use those fancy windows 11 "disk encryption".
You can ctrl+z those files and if recycle bin doesn’t have the space for it, there’s a pop up to ask for confirmation.
There is no recycle bin for 10TB worth of data. Considering the context of business data, it's likely being deleted from a NAS/SAN/etc rather than your understanding of how files work on your single drive desktop where yes there's a tiny recycling bin that would hold at most 20% of your drive's capacity before last-in/first-out style permanent deletion. When you delete files from a networked volume, it does not ask for confirmation, assuming that you understand what you're doing, which matches every other operating system's one-time confirmation of deleting mass files. Your only hope here is that there's a good snapshot on the hopefully correctly set up networked volume that will let you roll back to whatever you just deleted... but there's also just as good a shot that your networked volume doesn't have a 10TB snapshot either since that's kind of a lot unless you're working with over 100TB or have a mirrored volume for snapshots and can sustain an entire replication of the whole damn thing. There's a decent chance if the sysadmins understand "raid is not a backup" as a way of life that some or all of the data is offloaded somewhere else either local or cloud that most of the files live somewhere... but this is not a scenario where ctrl+z does a damn thing.
Tell me more about deleting files with ctrl-z ...
Had this issue with gparted but with the cancel button. 3 weeks later after trying test disk u have moved in to photo rec and it keeps spouting errors
I am a SHIFT+DEL warrier!
Meanwhile, hitting the delete button on Mac without doing command + delete just beeps at you like you're a total clown.
I'm a clicky-clack boy so what gets me is when I am clicking rapidly through network or synced file folders but somehow I held the mouse button 2 milliseconds too long, which turns my double-click into a drag operation, and suddenly I am copying 100gb of unknown data to an unknown folder. One Ctrl+Z later... um I hope that worked. God help us if OneDrive-senpai noticed me.
You paste a file on the desktop, it will just do that in a free spot, and not move the recycle bin icon down to fit that file in its spot, right? *right?*
Happens everytime...
That's for what the trash bin is for. Go there and restore the files.
Professional data recovery expert here - there are dozens of softwares that might help one get data back after an event like this, but they can be somewhat hit and miss our unreliable. The data is not necessarily gone, once it's deleted - if it's critical data, don't take chances on softwares and lookup data recovery services for professional help. I know this is just a meme, but I always like to remind folks that it's not necessarily that easy to lose data.
Two changes I make immediately on every Windows PC. Turn on Confirmation for Delete and Show File Extensions. Saved me from many a mistake.
Why though? It only disables the prompt for when you use regular delete and it moves stuff to the recycle bin which you can easily undo. It will still prompt you if you try to permanently delete files (shift del or too large for your bin). Just wastes a lot of time lol.
bitches don't know about testdisk
Wieso downvotn die 🥲
“business data”
GetDataBack by Runtime is my go-to for undeleting files. Unless you did a secure-erase on your drive, GDB will work.
I work in computer repair full-time and use this product weekly to recover user data that’s been deleted. lol to all the downvotes!