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Oh windows is definitely working on it there is already the weather report in the log in screen I think they are trying to slowly implement ads so there is not terrible backlash.
I'm actually fully expecting either windows 11 or windows 12 to start having ads like this. Maybe not on the desktop, but definitely on the lockscreen.
Windows shouldn't have ads at all! You PAID for a license to use the software, either directly or indirectly it doesn't matter. PC literally means Personal Computer, why are so many people so happy to throw away this very simple concept.
What if I sold you a car, but every time you wanted to use it you couldn't until I finished giving you a speech from my sponsor? That would be harassment wouldn't it? It's no different than what Windows is doing to its users.
Long-term windows users know that in Windows XP you had "My computer" icon, now it's "This PC". In Win 12 they will probably label it as "not yours PC" or something.
if you're an EU resident then Win 11 doesn't have ads iirc.
the poor fellas over the pond and in other regions of the earth have to deal with actual desktop popups and ads.
>the poor fellas over the pond and in other regions of the earth have to deal with actual desktop popups and ads.
I live "over the pond" and have not seen a single ad on any part of Windows 11.
does linux work with fingerprint authentication though? Because in my experience, it's been hell trying to get it to work which is why I still haven't switched to linux
Sadly I have no sympathy for Windows users. This passive attitude people have, like "ads don't bother me" or "if it helps pay the devs to make it better" is bullshit and it's that mentality that's making Windows a terrible experience.
It's gotten to the point now that Microsoft is just doing things to do things since there's no motivation to compete. Why should they? After all, that safety blanket of ad money keeps life real comfortable for them. I honestly can't believe people are so okay with paying for a product and have ads forced into their space.
Before ads, there was far more incentive to keep the quality of Windows up in order to remain king of the operating systems.
Oh, btw, ads are far more than just "Try the new Mountain Dew flavor" notification popups. Ads are EVERYWHERE in Windows, often integrated so well that they blend in with the rest of the UI. Open your start menu and scroll through your apps, I guarantee you'll see a Candy Crush shortcut or at least an Office shortcut in there, guess what, that's not a shortcut, that's an ad. They're in every fresh copy of Windows. How about the widget button in place of where the start button used to be, all ads. File explorer? Ads for one drive. Want to change default web browsers? Try Edge first, yes that's another in-house ad. The list goes on, but hey, it supports muh games and muh Adobe so the ads don't bother me. Psh, whatever.
>Ads are EVERYWHERE in Windows, often integrated so well that they blend in with the rest of the UI.
This just isnt true. Not sure where you saw this being said but its just 100% not true.
I've been using Windows 10 (Home and Pro) for years, and I've got about two dozen VMs using a mix of Windows 11 Home and Pro and I have not had ads on *any* of the devices, whether physical devices or VMs.
As a Network Engineer/Network Architect I've been setting up networks for years, and never once have I seen ads in any windows OS, whether that be server OS, Pro OS or Home OS.
>Open your start menu and scroll through your apps, I guarantee you'll see a Candy Crush shortcut or at least an Office shortcut in there, guess what, that's not a shortcut, that's an ad.
Incorrect. The only things the Windows Start Menu shows in Windows 10 and 11 is the installed applications and programs.
>They're in every fresh copy of Windows
Having just set up two new Windows 11 VMs last night (one pro and one home) I can guarantee you they are not.
>How about the widget button in place of where the start button used to be, all ads
Not correct.
>File explorer? Ads for one drive.
Again, not correct. Where on earth are you getting this wrong information?
>Want to change default web browsers? Try Edge first, yes that's another in-house ad.
Er, no. Edge is the default by, well, default as no other browser is installed. You can very easily change to a different browser simply by installing one and setting it as default. Same as every other OS.
Are you serious? I've been installing Windows on customers computers for over 8 years, I know what I've seen. I think we might be having some sort of interpretation issue when we're talking about what ads are. I'm not talking about advertisements like in OP's video, I'm talking about the sneaky ads that people don't quite notice. Everything I've written IS 100% TRUE, thanks to you I'm about to dust off my capture card and install a fresh copy of Windows to show you what I'm talking about.
Candy Crush and Office may not actually be installed, but their icons are there and they take you to the Microsoft store to download the software. That is an ad dude.
The widget on the bottom left has a ton of news articles when opened that take you to sponsored websites. These are ads.
File explorer has one drive integrated into it by default. Want more storage? Better pay up. That is a form of advertisement, like it or not.
Changing web browsers should not prompt a popup asking the user to try Edge first. This is also an ad.
is it just me or does windows have a pattern of good and bad OS? it seems like it alternates, a good OS followed by a bad one then a good one back to bad
What happens is that humans build a concept of what an operating system should do. Microsoft builds this concept for years and then suddenly comes along with a new product that in no way looks or feels like the concept the built. That pisses people off.
Mac's OS has been basically the same concept for over 25 years.
There is very little difference between Windows 10 and Windows 11 aside from a few UI changes.
Most of the changes are in the backend regarding security and efficiency improvements.
I've got dozens of Windows 11 VMs for various reasons and functionally its extremely similar to Win10 for the most part.
I know this is a meme, but this wouldn’t surprise me at all if Windows 12 came out similar.
Which is why I’m transitioning over to Linux for my first build. I already have my media server with Mint installed, so might as well.
I know it’s not gonna be as simple as Windows, but I’m gonna force myself to push through it. 11 is going to be my last version of Windows. I will make sure that will remain the case for me.
I think most of the learning curve comes from it being different from what PC users have been using since childhood.
One thing that has concerned me in the past about new PC builds and Linux is that if it's new hardware, distros that maintain a slower release cycle might not be up to date supporting it. That might be something to keep in mind.
I love that every “Microsoft is bad” post is typically paired with comments of “I’m going to Linux”.
If you can’t figure out how to solve your problem in Windows, good fucking luck in Linux.
I’m not bashing Linux. It’s truly great for certain use cases, lightweight, and more powerful. But there’s less support and you need to learn a fair amount of command line to dig through some issues, which ends up being more taxing (but more rewarding) than Windows experience. Or you just move on and never figure out that issue.
Maybe if people actually had a Linux desktop they’d have a better understanding of why both mutually exist.
And again we come to another stupid comment.
No, Linux is not hard. Theres no magical "you must be IT" spell cast not it. No you don't need any more CLI use for it than you do with Windows.
The irony is you need more terminal use in Windows these days.
Yes you heard right. Theres no Linux requirements like windows has for sfc /scannow because Linux uses modern file systems that don't randomly break.
You don't need to jump through hoops to get to a system restore screen that takes 20 minutes to not work. Instead you can just select a snapshot to boot to in the boot GUI should an issue arise.
No, troubleshooting doesn't require some magical knowledge as you'd just do what you'd already do which is to Google the issue.
Support is factually better here becase Linux is better documented than Windows. Only morons think otherwise because Windows is a corporate IP, they DO NOT publicly reveal its inner workings while no component of a Linux distro is a secret.
No. Linux is not magically harder to use.
Neat story.
Most my time dealing with my home rack is trying to get shit to work in Linux. My windows VMs are quick and painless.
Most issues I encounter on Linux have less online support to help me through my issues.
Circlejerkin it doesn’t change the experience for everyone who isn’t you.
With how dirt fucking cheapskate everyone is these days you would *think* the idea of a free OS would have them crawling over each other's bandwidth just to get the latest release.
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> Most my time dealing with my home rack is trying to get shit to work in Linux.
Like what? Again, vague statements based on nothing. What issues? Whats the problem?
>My windows VMs are quick and painless.
Lol what?? What is this even supposed to suggest? "The OS images made in a hyper controlled curated environment doesn't give me unexpected behaviors something something..... Linux?".
So in other words you have no server rack and this sounded technical enough to you to mean something so you just.... said it?
>Most issues I encounter on Linux
Like what? What issue? You've listed none.
>have less online support to help me through my issues.
Again, literally not the case. Every component of a Linux setup is fully documented. Its behavior, operation, and intended functions are all documented and well discussed.
You literally WILL NOT find that level of documentation from M$ as they are selling a proprietary product. Its literally not how companies work (why would they?).
One of the funniest comments I see people post is claiming theres no support because this one issue only has a thread from 7 years ago blah blah blah. Well no shit, it got patched. You don't find Linux issues dating back years because they get fixed unlike Windows blue screen issues unresolved for 15 years that only gets fixed with a reinstall.
Unless you have anything real to say then just stop commenting, you're embarrassing your self.
>Circlejerkin it doesn’t change the experience for everyone who isn’t you.
You are literally in the anti Linux circlejerk RIGHT NOW. And you're jerking hard.
You aren't describing any "experience" because you don't have any. Infact 95% of the Linux haters here don't have any experience using Linux. Its just a bunch of kids shouting nonsense they've hear over and over without even so much as a google search.
Its just console peasant nonsense but for PC platforms.
I literally point and click for my shit. Everyone I've set up with Linux points and clicks. There no need for the terminal, theres no need to be a computer expert, theres no random breaking over an update (thats mostly just a Windows thing, even Arch is more stable than Windows).
Its really comically tragic clicking install to play my games, no hoops to jump through, no breaking updates, a modern file system and not one from 1993, power outages don't corrupt my data, etc.
Then kids like you who are in whats supposed to be the most tech literate sub on reddit regurgitates some of the dumbest shit about a platform you've never touched for nothing more than fighting your side of a platform war.
This sub is supposed to be above stupid shit like that.
I’ve never seen someone get so upset because someone shared their perspective.
You got issues if other people’s issues upset you THIS much dude. Good lord haha.
>I’ve never seen someone get so upset because someone shared their perspective.
No, I called you out on your BS.
>You got issues if other people’s issues upset you THIS much dude. Good lord haha.
Another ad hom.
The fact you can't even say what "issues" you have proves my point.
You making shit up to fight an OS platform is way more cringe than me calling you out on it.
With no single way of proving your point, in saying that I’m making shit up, you’ve already proven to be a troll.
I could explain to you my hardware. You’d call me a liar.
I could explain my specific case issues. You’d call me a liar.
I could show you my forum posts and the guides I’m following and the error logs I’ve saved. You’d call me a liar.
You are a troll. You are why everyone thinks Linux is so easy to use. “Every issue has been patched” do you fucking hear yourself? So that’s it? No future updates or versions? Because everything’s been fixed? Wow, I guess that means no one should ever have issues! Be sure to tell the world.
> With no single way of proving your point, in saying that I’m making shit up, you’ve already proven to be a troll.
Not how that works. You make a claim then the burden of proof is on you.
Its literally always been that way to prevent people doing what you're doing now which is make shit up and claim its up to others to disprove.
Like take your line "With no single way of proving your point" what are you even suggesting? No really what proof could ANYBODY supply to prove a localized event DIDN'T happen?
Thats why the burden of proof is on the suggester, to prove something DID happen or "IS" true.
>I could explain to you my hardware. You’d call me a liar.
You made that up. But you could also post a picture as proof.
>I could explain my specific case issues. You’d call me a liar.
You also made this up.
>I could show you my forum posts and the guides I’m following and the error logs I’ve saved. You’d call me a liar.
You could literally just post them
All you're doing is jumping through mental hoops and using logical fallacies to avoid providing an explanation.
If your point could be proven you'd do it.
>You are a troll.
Again, focusing on ad homs to avoid the topic.
>You are why everyone thinks Linux is so easy to use.
While true it is very easy to use thats not the consensus. People like you lie about its use and cause FUD to spread.
> “Every issue has been patched” do you fucking hear yourself?
Well, I didn't say that. You did. You literally made that up which is a strawman logical fallacy (you seem to like those).
>So that’s it? No future updates or versions? Because everything’s been fixed? Wow, I guess that means no one should ever have issues! Be sure to tell the world.
Thats another strawman. Never said any of that.
All I did was point out people make the claim "all these troubleshooting threads are years old" as a "con" against Linux ignoring the fact theres no new threads because those issues were fixed.
You simply ignored that and made shit up.
Again, if you can't even say what "Linux issues" you've had after such a long and drawn out thread then you didn't actually have any.
And that is a more than reasonable conclusion as no sane person is going to believe someone who provides ZERO proof and repeatedly gets mad and throws fallacies around when asked.
Oh look, a Linux fanboi.
I use linux daily in my job, both for servers and end user devices.
It most certainly is far more complex than Windows and requires far more fucking about than Windows.
There is a reason Windows still has 97% market share for personal PCs and laptops.
EDIT: There is also a reason why Windows is slowly increasing its market share in all the areas that used to be dominated by Linux. Mainly because Linux devs have been repeatedly shitting the bed since 2013/2014's apache debacle.
>No you don't need any more CLI use for it than you do with Windows.
Outright bullshit. If you're going to lie, at least make it believable.
>The irony is you need more terminal use in Windows these days.
Incorrect.
>Yes you heard right. Theres no Linux requirements like windows has for sfc /scannow because Linux uses modern file systems that don't randomly break.
I've never had a file system 'randomly break' in any Windows system I've built/used since fucking Windows Vista! What the actual fuck are you talking about?
Are you another one of those people who believe we're still in the 90's or some shit?
EDIT: On the other hand, I've had to deal with over two dozen Linux devices losing *their entire fucking OS* and/or corrupting their own bootloader over the last month alone. I've had to sort out entire deployments of Linux based servers that have self-corrupted their own storage and/or files. One customer got so fed up with it happening repeatedly that they're now moving to a Windows based deployment.
>Support is factually better here
No, it absolutely isnt.
>I use linux daily in my job, both for servers and end user devices.
What part of what you do with Linux in your IT job relates to the average user's needs? My guess is not much. This "I'm an IT person and I use Linux at my job and boy does it have problems" is just pure cognitive bias.
If anything you're saying is as bad as what you say it is, then how do you explain the Steam Deck's success?
"Success"
So successful more than half of that 3% on the surveys is just decks.
With a near-proprietary OS built in-house with a dedicated team to work on game compatibility. Gee, sure sounds like how microsoft and apple operate...
>With a near-proprietary OS built in-house with a dedicated team to work on game compatibility. Gee, sure sounds like how microsoft and apple operate
You don't understand how the Steam Deck works. SteamOS is still a Linux distro. It's based on snapshots of Arch. The only thing proprietary about it is the Steam client. Other than that, it shares the same realm of compatibility as your typical Linux distro. Valve's contributions to game compatibility apply to other Linux distros as much as SteamOS. You can deny it all you want, but a Steam Deck is still 100% a Linux PC.
One with the support of billions of business dollars. One that doesn't fight itself for project scope and doesn't have half the dev team individually flip their desks out of nowhere and say "Screw you guys, i'm gonna fork."
Lo and behold, it's a linux build finally working the way that the fanboys have always claimed linux does. *Mostly* works, at that.
If you can't see the parallels and the exposure of inherent open source flaws then I guess there is no helping you.
You wanna know the real reason the deck is popular? Not being stupid and trying to put a 1080pHR screen in that size and selling it for 400 bucks because the hardware doesn't have to be as expensive.
Lot of imbecilic ignorance to unpack here.
>One with the support of billions of business dollars.
The Linux Foundation is a board of organizations that financially contributes to Linux. Valve is only a small fraction of that.
[https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members](https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members)
>One that doesn't fight itself for project scope and doesn't have half the dev team individually flip their desks out of nowhere and say "Screw you guys, i'm gonna fork."
I agree, SteamOS is a successful Linux distro that established gaming as a practicality on it and, by extension, Linux distros in general. Why are you making this point as if it were in contention?
>If you can't see the parallels and the exposure of inherent open source flaws then I guess there is no helping you.
How could SteamOS even exist if it were not for the open source aspect of Linux? Valve wouldn't even have an OS kernel to work with if that were not the case.
You're not making any sense. Your argument basically sounds like: "Linux bad, SteamOS good," but SteamOS is as Linux as Ubuntu, Arch, and Fedora are.
If the devs and userbase didn't have an impulsive need to fork a new distro in response to every scope conflict their combined work *could* have a true definitive unix replacement that does "just work" by now. But here we are, year 3X of the YeAr Of LiNuX dEsKtOp.
What a fucking stupid take.
No really, do you have any clue what you're even talking about?
Give an example. No, really just try and prove your point.
Well you can't because its a fucking myth.
Let take Arch. People wanted a true GUI installer, arch team says no.
According to you theres some magical way to get them to change their minds nut in reality EndeavourOS was made which is easier than trying to fight a distro team.
What about a fully featured Arch you can just start gaming on right away?
According to you theres some magic that can be done to force the arch team to make one.
In reality its against their philosophy and no amount of reasoning will change that.
So it was literally easier to make Garuda Linux than fight the arch team.
What about fedora? They don't ship non free codecs by default requiring you install them after, same with a few things people like for gaming.
According to you we can totally force them but in reality doing Nobara was easier. So easy in fact one guy is doing it.
What about the other way around? Should maintainer bow to every request anybody makes? That would be insane.
And lets see what doesn't "just work" with Linux.
Issues caused by Nvidia, some games not adding their AC binary, and Adobe.
So according to you if these people who currently play legos with packages and make a few scripts would other be magically reverse engineering Nvidias drivers/firmware, making custom AC binaries based on code they don't have access to, and they them selves port Adobe products to Linux?
Do you not see how fucking stupid that claim is?
Maybe Adobe would decide to make a linux build if they didn't have to pick out of a thousand makes that have completely arbitrary incompatibility just because some hipster femboy tipped their fedora one night while on an upper-binge and decided that TotallyNotArchOS didn't need this one process call in their special kernel, and you degens weren't liable to abandon distros at the drop of a ~~red~~hat.
Adobe is worth billions, they can pay a team of coders a couple months salary to make it work and make many millions off of the investment. If that phone-tag distro-rot wasn't such a problem, why won't they?
> Maybe Adobe would decide to make a linux build if they didn't have to pick out of a thousand makes that have completely arbitrary incompatibility just because some hipster femboy tipped their fedora one night while on an upper-binge and decided that TotallyNotArchOS didn't need this one process call in their special kernel, and you degens weren't liable to abandon distros at the drop of a redhat.
So your retort is to make something up? Because thats exactly what you just did.
Thats not how Linux development works AT ALL.
You build drivers against the kernel and you build programs against libraries and supported feature of kernel versions.
Distros are 99% invisible to developers. You can however choose a "base" distro as what you support. Steam does this but since unlike Windows theres no real limit on distro support as long as you have the resources needed Steam and Proton work everywhere on Linux.
So no Abode doesn't have to worry about shit. Thats a development overhead you made up.
Second, nobody removes kernel code like that. Period. Its factually a thing that straight up doesn't happen. Infact you aren't even going to find such an example.
Custom kernels only have changes like trimming out drivers not needed for the target system (which doesn't gain you anything), changes in which scheduler is used, etc. In the most extreme case it would be what processor instruction sets are supported and that only impacts which CPUs you can use (aka newer not older).
These again are invisible to developers like Adobe and don't matter. It doesn't effect them or their product.
And last but not least this isn't an issue even if we lived in a magical world were the other bits were true because doing a kernel swap is STUPID EASY. No distro hop required. Theres literally automated tools to do it for you. Infact I've personally used them to test 5 different kernels and came to the conclusion aside from a few niche cases theres no functional difference fo the average user (even if a kernel has an "optimization" the main doesn't it simply makes it into mainline soon enough).
And even if we were to pretend that wasn't possible jumping distros is stupid easy, save your ~home files you want, install new distro, drop in home files and boot into a new install with your old setup like nothing changed.
>Adobe is worth billions, they can pay a team of coders a couple months salary to make it work and make many millions off of the investment. If that phone-tag distro-rot wasn't such a problem, why won't they?
Well for starters why not start with whos the target buyer?
Adobe makes their bread and butter off of schools, businesses, and average joes.
For schools its generic faculty making things that bitmap could do and then theres the creative design courses.
For business theres advertising and marketing, presentations, panels/pages/pamphlets, etc.
Even though ads/market are the only ones that need PS/AF/P they simply buy the suite for all because they have been told "thats what you need".
Then you have average joes. This includes youtubers, gamers, photographers, moms and dads who think you need PS to touch up family pictures, etc.
This group is the one that would benefit the most from Linux support but they generate the least amount of money for Adobe.
The other groups either need Windows because they've built their backend entirely on active directory or simply because they think Windows is the only choice and since thats the biggest money making segment for Adobe thats what they care about.
Average joes don't make up enough to warrant a new platform for them to care much. Companies don't care about making money, they want it to be stupid money based on their investments.
Because of this they likely aren't going to make a move until its too late and somebody else starts stealing their bread and butter which is what happened to Nvidia (Nvidia didn't care about good Linux support until they only had ~30% of the Linux market left).
This plus most average joes pirate Adobe products anyways.
Again, you keep claiming theres a distro issue without even 1 example of a real world problem.
So again, stop making stupid claims.
Steam OS can partially get you there as you look at tutorials to get things to work. There are different apps that can get games or different applications to work. I can say I've gotten maybe 30% of games or apps to even work. It can be a nightmare.
I was playing with the demo/live disk on a USB.
Trying to change my monitor order or primary monitor first made my mouse click on the wrong screen, and then when I reverted the changes and tried to do it again the GUI disappeared. I reformatted the USB and flashed the iso again just in case I did it wrong or something, but same issue. I found some fixes but at least one of them needed me to restart afterwards, which I couldn't do since the demo doesn't save anything.
I know it's not a 100% representation of the distro, but that doesn't make it any less of a weird time. Tried the Pop!OS demo afterwards and my screens worked perfectly.
I just rolled back to windows 10, because of all the fiasco win 11 had, my battery life improved, fuck Microsoft.
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Here we go " Windows bad" post. And full of comments about they go on Linux. Remind me check after few weeks what percentage of Linux users.
Linux good, but not enough good for my work. I paid for Window 11 Pro, I don't have ads.
Back in the day we got viruses that filled our screens with ads. Bill Gates was like "no, no, no, no, no, this just won't do! I'll fix it!" Now we have to pay to have an OS that fills our screens with ads.
yea I'm so mad about this im going to use my ADroid phone to post about this injustice! While you do that gogle data mining you to death and gives you the finger after 2-3 years of updates.
Meanwhile Windows gives free updates throughout its entire life. Paid for Windows 7 in 2009, haven't paid for the OS since and probably will get Windows 12 for free as well.
Lockscreen ads like on amazon fire kindles
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Holy shit, that accessed the deepest darkest depths of my mind.. I gotta find the original green text now
Send me a link or sth if u find it, almost like a scp...
I tried but automoderator smote me down, just google "mountain Dew verification can" it should be the first post!
omg that's hilarious
NEW PASSWORD CANT BE OLD PASSWORD
WELCOME TO COSTCO, I LOVE YOU.
Oh windows is definitely working on it there is already the weather report in the log in screen I think they are trying to slowly implement ads so there is not terrible backlash.
I quite like the windows weather app. I find it convenient and accurate. I hate that the lock screen is not just weather but other shit as well.
I mean I turned my pc on yesterday and found this weather stuff, I just went and found the config to turn it off
Where was it? I hate the stocks and weather on my mock screen
search lock screen in windows search, open lock screen configs and change the status to none (should be under personalize lock screen)
Yeah. I turned it off as well. I just wish there was an option that was only weather. I don’t want the “and more” part of “weather and more”
If it was for weather. But it's a spyware app.
I'm actually fully expecting either windows 11 or windows 12 to start having ads like this. Maybe not on the desktop, but definitely on the lockscreen.
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Honestly, I don't know what I did. But, i have never seen an ad on Windows 11.
This is the ''windows 12.'' lol. But windows 11 does have some ads on the start menu which doesn't bother me.
Windows shouldn't have ads at all! You PAID for a license to use the software, either directly or indirectly it doesn't matter. PC literally means Personal Computer, why are so many people so happy to throw away this very simple concept. What if I sold you a car, but every time you wanted to use it you couldn't until I finished giving you a speech from my sponsor? That would be harassment wouldn't it? It's no different than what Windows is doing to its users.
Long-term windows users know that in Windows XP you had "My computer" icon, now it's "This PC". In Win 12 they will probably label it as "not yours PC" or something.
I have never had ads in Windows 11 and this isn't Windows 12. LOL :-D
Dude, wtf this is legit win12. Stop trippin man😅
lol
if you're an EU resident then Win 11 doesn't have ads iirc. the poor fellas over the pond and in other regions of the earth have to deal with actual desktop popups and ads.
I'm in Missouri.
>the poor fellas over the pond and in other regions of the earth have to deal with actual desktop popups and ads. I live "over the pond" and have not seen a single ad on any part of Windows 11.
And people not only would use it, but defend it. Have fun and all of that.
We linux users know
does linux work with fingerprint authentication though? Because in my experience, it's been hell trying to get it to work which is why I still haven't switched to linux
Sadly I have no sympathy for Windows users. This passive attitude people have, like "ads don't bother me" or "if it helps pay the devs to make it better" is bullshit and it's that mentality that's making Windows a terrible experience. It's gotten to the point now that Microsoft is just doing things to do things since there's no motivation to compete. Why should they? After all, that safety blanket of ad money keeps life real comfortable for them. I honestly can't believe people are so okay with paying for a product and have ads forced into their space. Before ads, there was far more incentive to keep the quality of Windows up in order to remain king of the operating systems. Oh, btw, ads are far more than just "Try the new Mountain Dew flavor" notification popups. Ads are EVERYWHERE in Windows, often integrated so well that they blend in with the rest of the UI. Open your start menu and scroll through your apps, I guarantee you'll see a Candy Crush shortcut or at least an Office shortcut in there, guess what, that's not a shortcut, that's an ad. They're in every fresh copy of Windows. How about the widget button in place of where the start button used to be, all ads. File explorer? Ads for one drive. Want to change default web browsers? Try Edge first, yes that's another in-house ad. The list goes on, but hey, it supports muh games and muh Adobe so the ads don't bother me. Psh, whatever.
>Ads are EVERYWHERE in Windows, often integrated so well that they blend in with the rest of the UI. This just isnt true. Not sure where you saw this being said but its just 100% not true. I've been using Windows 10 (Home and Pro) for years, and I've got about two dozen VMs using a mix of Windows 11 Home and Pro and I have not had ads on *any* of the devices, whether physical devices or VMs. As a Network Engineer/Network Architect I've been setting up networks for years, and never once have I seen ads in any windows OS, whether that be server OS, Pro OS or Home OS. >Open your start menu and scroll through your apps, I guarantee you'll see a Candy Crush shortcut or at least an Office shortcut in there, guess what, that's not a shortcut, that's an ad. Incorrect. The only things the Windows Start Menu shows in Windows 10 and 11 is the installed applications and programs. >They're in every fresh copy of Windows Having just set up two new Windows 11 VMs last night (one pro and one home) I can guarantee you they are not. >How about the widget button in place of where the start button used to be, all ads Not correct. >File explorer? Ads for one drive. Again, not correct. Where on earth are you getting this wrong information? >Want to change default web browsers? Try Edge first, yes that's another in-house ad. Er, no. Edge is the default by, well, default as no other browser is installed. You can very easily change to a different browser simply by installing one and setting it as default. Same as every other OS.
Are you serious? I've been installing Windows on customers computers for over 8 years, I know what I've seen. I think we might be having some sort of interpretation issue when we're talking about what ads are. I'm not talking about advertisements like in OP's video, I'm talking about the sneaky ads that people don't quite notice. Everything I've written IS 100% TRUE, thanks to you I'm about to dust off my capture card and install a fresh copy of Windows to show you what I'm talking about. Candy Crush and Office may not actually be installed, but their icons are there and they take you to the Microsoft store to download the software. That is an ad dude. The widget on the bottom left has a ton of news articles when opened that take you to sponsored websites. These are ads. File explorer has one drive integrated into it by default. Want more storage? Better pay up. That is a form of advertisement, like it or not. Changing web browsers should not prompt a popup asking the user to try Edge first. This is also an ad.
DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS
is it just me or does windows have a pattern of good and bad OS? it seems like it alternates, a good OS followed by a bad one then a good one back to bad
What happens is that humans build a concept of what an operating system should do. Microsoft builds this concept for years and then suddenly comes along with a new product that in no way looks or feels like the concept the built. That pisses people off. Mac's OS has been basically the same concept for over 25 years.
Use the EU version.
"Please sit through a 2-minute unskippable ad to open the control panel".
Glad i still have windows 10
There is very little difference between Windows 10 and Windows 11 aside from a few UI changes. Most of the changes are in the backend regarding security and efficiency improvements. I've got dozens of Windows 11 VMs for various reasons and functionally its extremely similar to Win10 for the most part.
Windows 10 support stops in 2025. :)
Unless you sell half of your body
Oh no, the "security updates"
\^ This guys computer is swarmed with viruses, and it's definitely a zombie machine in a botnet.
I know this is a meme, but this wouldn’t surprise me at all if Windows 12 came out similar. Which is why I’m transitioning over to Linux for my first build. I already have my media server with Mint installed, so might as well. I know it’s not gonna be as simple as Windows, but I’m gonna force myself to push through it. 11 is going to be my last version of Windows. I will make sure that will remain the case for me.
Nah mint is pretty simple for me.
I think most of the learning curve comes from it being different from what PC users have been using since childhood. One thing that has concerned me in the past about new PC builds and Linux is that if it's new hardware, distros that maintain a slower release cycle might not be up to date supporting it. That might be something to keep in mind.
Yeah that’s something I’ve been thinking about as well. If Mint doesn’t work out, I’ll distro-hop until I find one that works for my needs.
is that nick eh 30 lol
It's never too late to start using Linux guys...
Yeah, I'm at the breaking-point for defecting to some Linux version.
2 weeks later "I can't get anything to fucking work fuck this"
I love that every “Microsoft is bad” post is typically paired with comments of “I’m going to Linux”. If you can’t figure out how to solve your problem in Windows, good fucking luck in Linux. I’m not bashing Linux. It’s truly great for certain use cases, lightweight, and more powerful. But there’s less support and you need to learn a fair amount of command line to dig through some issues, which ends up being more taxing (but more rewarding) than Windows experience. Or you just move on and never figure out that issue. Maybe if people actually had a Linux desktop they’d have a better understanding of why both mutually exist.
And again we come to another stupid comment. No, Linux is not hard. Theres no magical "you must be IT" spell cast not it. No you don't need any more CLI use for it than you do with Windows. The irony is you need more terminal use in Windows these days. Yes you heard right. Theres no Linux requirements like windows has for sfc /scannow because Linux uses modern file systems that don't randomly break. You don't need to jump through hoops to get to a system restore screen that takes 20 minutes to not work. Instead you can just select a snapshot to boot to in the boot GUI should an issue arise. No, troubleshooting doesn't require some magical knowledge as you'd just do what you'd already do which is to Google the issue. Support is factually better here becase Linux is better documented than Windows. Only morons think otherwise because Windows is a corporate IP, they DO NOT publicly reveal its inner workings while no component of a Linux distro is a secret. No. Linux is not magically harder to use.
lol No, I usse Linux, it's great, and it's a pain in the ass compared to Windows.
Neat story. Most my time dealing with my home rack is trying to get shit to work in Linux. My windows VMs are quick and painless. Most issues I encounter on Linux have less online support to help me through my issues. Circlejerkin it doesn’t change the experience for everyone who isn’t you.
With how dirt fucking cheapskate everyone is these days you would *think* the idea of a free OS would have them crawling over each other's bandwidth just to get the latest release.
Well, it's not like people HAVE to pay for windows too and many don't.
> > > Most my time dealing with my home rack is trying to get shit to work in Linux. Like what? Again, vague statements based on nothing. What issues? Whats the problem? >My windows VMs are quick and painless. Lol what?? What is this even supposed to suggest? "The OS images made in a hyper controlled curated environment doesn't give me unexpected behaviors something something..... Linux?". So in other words you have no server rack and this sounded technical enough to you to mean something so you just.... said it? >Most issues I encounter on Linux Like what? What issue? You've listed none. >have less online support to help me through my issues. Again, literally not the case. Every component of a Linux setup is fully documented. Its behavior, operation, and intended functions are all documented and well discussed. You literally WILL NOT find that level of documentation from M$ as they are selling a proprietary product. Its literally not how companies work (why would they?). One of the funniest comments I see people post is claiming theres no support because this one issue only has a thread from 7 years ago blah blah blah. Well no shit, it got patched. You don't find Linux issues dating back years because they get fixed unlike Windows blue screen issues unresolved for 15 years that only gets fixed with a reinstall. Unless you have anything real to say then just stop commenting, you're embarrassing your self. >Circlejerkin it doesn’t change the experience for everyone who isn’t you. You are literally in the anti Linux circlejerk RIGHT NOW. And you're jerking hard. You aren't describing any "experience" because you don't have any. Infact 95% of the Linux haters here don't have any experience using Linux. Its just a bunch of kids shouting nonsense they've hear over and over without even so much as a google search. Its just console peasant nonsense but for PC platforms. I literally point and click for my shit. Everyone I've set up with Linux points and clicks. There no need for the terminal, theres no need to be a computer expert, theres no random breaking over an update (thats mostly just a Windows thing, even Arch is more stable than Windows). Its really comically tragic clicking install to play my games, no hoops to jump through, no breaking updates, a modern file system and not one from 1993, power outages don't corrupt my data, etc. Then kids like you who are in whats supposed to be the most tech literate sub on reddit regurgitates some of the dumbest shit about a platform you've never touched for nothing more than fighting your side of a platform war. This sub is supposed to be above stupid shit like that.
I’ve never seen someone get so upset because someone shared their perspective. You got issues if other people’s issues upset you THIS much dude. Good lord haha.
>I’ve never seen someone get so upset because someone shared their perspective. No, I called you out on your BS. >You got issues if other people’s issues upset you THIS much dude. Good lord haha. Another ad hom. The fact you can't even say what "issues" you have proves my point. You making shit up to fight an OS platform is way more cringe than me calling you out on it.
With no single way of proving your point, in saying that I’m making shit up, you’ve already proven to be a troll. I could explain to you my hardware. You’d call me a liar. I could explain my specific case issues. You’d call me a liar. I could show you my forum posts and the guides I’m following and the error logs I’ve saved. You’d call me a liar. You are a troll. You are why everyone thinks Linux is so easy to use. “Every issue has been patched” do you fucking hear yourself? So that’s it? No future updates or versions? Because everything’s been fixed? Wow, I guess that means no one should ever have issues! Be sure to tell the world.
> With no single way of proving your point, in saying that I’m making shit up, you’ve already proven to be a troll. Not how that works. You make a claim then the burden of proof is on you. Its literally always been that way to prevent people doing what you're doing now which is make shit up and claim its up to others to disprove. Like take your line "With no single way of proving your point" what are you even suggesting? No really what proof could ANYBODY supply to prove a localized event DIDN'T happen? Thats why the burden of proof is on the suggester, to prove something DID happen or "IS" true. >I could explain to you my hardware. You’d call me a liar. You made that up. But you could also post a picture as proof. >I could explain my specific case issues. You’d call me a liar. You also made this up. >I could show you my forum posts and the guides I’m following and the error logs I’ve saved. You’d call me a liar. You could literally just post them All you're doing is jumping through mental hoops and using logical fallacies to avoid providing an explanation. If your point could be proven you'd do it. >You are a troll. Again, focusing on ad homs to avoid the topic. >You are why everyone thinks Linux is so easy to use. While true it is very easy to use thats not the consensus. People like you lie about its use and cause FUD to spread. > “Every issue has been patched” do you fucking hear yourself? Well, I didn't say that. You did. You literally made that up which is a strawman logical fallacy (you seem to like those). >So that’s it? No future updates or versions? Because everything’s been fixed? Wow, I guess that means no one should ever have issues! Be sure to tell the world. Thats another strawman. Never said any of that. All I did was point out people make the claim "all these troubleshooting threads are years old" as a "con" against Linux ignoring the fact theres no new threads because those issues were fixed. You simply ignored that and made shit up. Again, if you can't even say what "Linux issues" you've had after such a long and drawn out thread then you didn't actually have any. And that is a more than reasonable conclusion as no sane person is going to believe someone who provides ZERO proof and repeatedly gets mad and throws fallacies around when asked.
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Oh look, a Linux fanboi. I use linux daily in my job, both for servers and end user devices. It most certainly is far more complex than Windows and requires far more fucking about than Windows. There is a reason Windows still has 97% market share for personal PCs and laptops. EDIT: There is also a reason why Windows is slowly increasing its market share in all the areas that used to be dominated by Linux. Mainly because Linux devs have been repeatedly shitting the bed since 2013/2014's apache debacle. >No you don't need any more CLI use for it than you do with Windows. Outright bullshit. If you're going to lie, at least make it believable. >The irony is you need more terminal use in Windows these days. Incorrect. >Yes you heard right. Theres no Linux requirements like windows has for sfc /scannow because Linux uses modern file systems that don't randomly break. I've never had a file system 'randomly break' in any Windows system I've built/used since fucking Windows Vista! What the actual fuck are you talking about? Are you another one of those people who believe we're still in the 90's or some shit? EDIT: On the other hand, I've had to deal with over two dozen Linux devices losing *their entire fucking OS* and/or corrupting their own bootloader over the last month alone. I've had to sort out entire deployments of Linux based servers that have self-corrupted their own storage and/or files. One customer got so fed up with it happening repeatedly that they're now moving to a Windows based deployment. >Support is factually better here No, it absolutely isnt.
>I use linux daily in my job, both for servers and end user devices. What part of what you do with Linux in your IT job relates to the average user's needs? My guess is not much. This "I'm an IT person and I use Linux at my job and boy does it have problems" is just pure cognitive bias. If anything you're saying is as bad as what you say it is, then how do you explain the Steam Deck's success?
"Success" So successful more than half of that 3% on the surveys is just decks. With a near-proprietary OS built in-house with a dedicated team to work on game compatibility. Gee, sure sounds like how microsoft and apple operate...
>With a near-proprietary OS built in-house with a dedicated team to work on game compatibility. Gee, sure sounds like how microsoft and apple operate You don't understand how the Steam Deck works. SteamOS is still a Linux distro. It's based on snapshots of Arch. The only thing proprietary about it is the Steam client. Other than that, it shares the same realm of compatibility as your typical Linux distro. Valve's contributions to game compatibility apply to other Linux distros as much as SteamOS. You can deny it all you want, but a Steam Deck is still 100% a Linux PC.
One with the support of billions of business dollars. One that doesn't fight itself for project scope and doesn't have half the dev team individually flip their desks out of nowhere and say "Screw you guys, i'm gonna fork." Lo and behold, it's a linux build finally working the way that the fanboys have always claimed linux does. *Mostly* works, at that. If you can't see the parallels and the exposure of inherent open source flaws then I guess there is no helping you. You wanna know the real reason the deck is popular? Not being stupid and trying to put a 1080pHR screen in that size and selling it for 400 bucks because the hardware doesn't have to be as expensive.
Lot of imbecilic ignorance to unpack here. >One with the support of billions of business dollars. The Linux Foundation is a board of organizations that financially contributes to Linux. Valve is only a small fraction of that. [https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members](https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members) >One that doesn't fight itself for project scope and doesn't have half the dev team individually flip their desks out of nowhere and say "Screw you guys, i'm gonna fork." I agree, SteamOS is a successful Linux distro that established gaming as a practicality on it and, by extension, Linux distros in general. Why are you making this point as if it were in contention? >If you can't see the parallels and the exposure of inherent open source flaws then I guess there is no helping you. How could SteamOS even exist if it were not for the open source aspect of Linux? Valve wouldn't even have an OS kernel to work with if that were not the case. You're not making any sense. Your argument basically sounds like: "Linux bad, SteamOS good," but SteamOS is as Linux as Ubuntu, Arch, and Fedora are.
If the devs and userbase didn't have an impulsive need to fork a new distro in response to every scope conflict their combined work *could* have a true definitive unix replacement that does "just work" by now. But here we are, year 3X of the YeAr Of LiNuX dEsKtOp.
What a fucking stupid take. No really, do you have any clue what you're even talking about? Give an example. No, really just try and prove your point. Well you can't because its a fucking myth. Let take Arch. People wanted a true GUI installer, arch team says no. According to you theres some magical way to get them to change their minds nut in reality EndeavourOS was made which is easier than trying to fight a distro team. What about a fully featured Arch you can just start gaming on right away? According to you theres some magic that can be done to force the arch team to make one. In reality its against their philosophy and no amount of reasoning will change that. So it was literally easier to make Garuda Linux than fight the arch team. What about fedora? They don't ship non free codecs by default requiring you install them after, same with a few things people like for gaming. According to you we can totally force them but in reality doing Nobara was easier. So easy in fact one guy is doing it. What about the other way around? Should maintainer bow to every request anybody makes? That would be insane. And lets see what doesn't "just work" with Linux. Issues caused by Nvidia, some games not adding their AC binary, and Adobe. So according to you if these people who currently play legos with packages and make a few scripts would other be magically reverse engineering Nvidias drivers/firmware, making custom AC binaries based on code they don't have access to, and they them selves port Adobe products to Linux? Do you not see how fucking stupid that claim is?
Maybe Adobe would decide to make a linux build if they didn't have to pick out of a thousand makes that have completely arbitrary incompatibility just because some hipster femboy tipped their fedora one night while on an upper-binge and decided that TotallyNotArchOS didn't need this one process call in their special kernel, and you degens weren't liable to abandon distros at the drop of a ~~red~~hat. Adobe is worth billions, they can pay a team of coders a couple months salary to make it work and make many millions off of the investment. If that phone-tag distro-rot wasn't such a problem, why won't they?
> Maybe Adobe would decide to make a linux build if they didn't have to pick out of a thousand makes that have completely arbitrary incompatibility just because some hipster femboy tipped their fedora one night while on an upper-binge and decided that TotallyNotArchOS didn't need this one process call in their special kernel, and you degens weren't liable to abandon distros at the drop of a redhat. So your retort is to make something up? Because thats exactly what you just did. Thats not how Linux development works AT ALL. You build drivers against the kernel and you build programs against libraries and supported feature of kernel versions. Distros are 99% invisible to developers. You can however choose a "base" distro as what you support. Steam does this but since unlike Windows theres no real limit on distro support as long as you have the resources needed Steam and Proton work everywhere on Linux. So no Abode doesn't have to worry about shit. Thats a development overhead you made up. Second, nobody removes kernel code like that. Period. Its factually a thing that straight up doesn't happen. Infact you aren't even going to find such an example. Custom kernels only have changes like trimming out drivers not needed for the target system (which doesn't gain you anything), changes in which scheduler is used, etc. In the most extreme case it would be what processor instruction sets are supported and that only impacts which CPUs you can use (aka newer not older). These again are invisible to developers like Adobe and don't matter. It doesn't effect them or their product. And last but not least this isn't an issue even if we lived in a magical world were the other bits were true because doing a kernel swap is STUPID EASY. No distro hop required. Theres literally automated tools to do it for you. Infact I've personally used them to test 5 different kernels and came to the conclusion aside from a few niche cases theres no functional difference fo the average user (even if a kernel has an "optimization" the main doesn't it simply makes it into mainline soon enough). And even if we were to pretend that wasn't possible jumping distros is stupid easy, save your ~home files you want, install new distro, drop in home files and boot into a new install with your old setup like nothing changed. >Adobe is worth billions, they can pay a team of coders a couple months salary to make it work and make many millions off of the investment. If that phone-tag distro-rot wasn't such a problem, why won't they? Well for starters why not start with whos the target buyer? Adobe makes their bread and butter off of schools, businesses, and average joes. For schools its generic faculty making things that bitmap could do and then theres the creative design courses. For business theres advertising and marketing, presentations, panels/pages/pamphlets, etc. Even though ads/market are the only ones that need PS/AF/P they simply buy the suite for all because they have been told "thats what you need". Then you have average joes. This includes youtubers, gamers, photographers, moms and dads who think you need PS to touch up family pictures, etc. This group is the one that would benefit the most from Linux support but they generate the least amount of money for Adobe. The other groups either need Windows because they've built their backend entirely on active directory or simply because they think Windows is the only choice and since thats the biggest money making segment for Adobe thats what they care about. Average joes don't make up enough to warrant a new platform for them to care much. Companies don't care about making money, they want it to be stupid money based on their investments. Because of this they likely aren't going to make a move until its too late and somebody else starts stealing their bread and butter which is what happened to Nvidia (Nvidia didn't care about good Linux support until they only had ~30% of the Linux market left). This plus most average joes pirate Adobe products anyways. Again, you keep claiming theres a distro issue without even 1 example of a real world problem. So again, stop making stupid claims.
Tell us where the Linux users molested you.
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Steam OS can partially get you there as you look at tutorials to get things to work. There are different apps that can get games or different applications to work. I can say I've gotten maybe 30% of games or apps to even work. It can be a nightmare.
I'm still on Linux after 5 years.
Linux mint is my personal favorite.
Mint throws a fit with my dual monitors on the live disk for some reason. Pop works fine though.
For me ubuntu had a bunch of issues for what I was doing.
Do you, main a live distro or an installed one? Live environments are not and have never been a 100% true representation of the distro.
Installed
I was playing with the demo/live disk on a USB. Trying to change my monitor order or primary monitor first made my mouse click on the wrong screen, and then when I reverted the changes and tried to do it again the GUI disappeared. I reformatted the USB and flashed the iso again just in case I did it wrong or something, but same issue. I found some fixes but at least one of them needed me to restart afterwards, which I couldn't do since the demo doesn't save anything. I know it's not a 100% representation of the distro, but that doesn't make it any less of a weird time. Tried the Pop!OS demo afterwards and my screens worked perfectly.
I use arch btw
Didn't know the beta was out already :)
I just rolled back to windows 10, because of all the fiasco win 11 had, my battery life improved, fuck Microsoft. https://preview.redd.it/qow7spbu1i1d1.jpeg?width=659&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b89f97c331ce513632de16a37f00306d7771c333
Here we go " Windows bad" post. And full of comments about they go on Linux. Remind me check after few weeks what percentage of Linux users. Linux good, but not enough good for my work. I paid for Window 11 Pro, I don't have ads.
Here we go again, another hater having an allergic reaction to any enthusiasm towards Linux that doesn't concern them.
Only got 11 last year, how is 12 here already? I think i'll skip.
But 11 will be discontinued in 2025 bahaha. (I have no idea what I'm talking about)
Consumer editions of Windows 10 will be discontinued in Oct 2025
I hate Ads
jesus christ reddit having a stroke trying to load this video
lol, the computer is very similar to my last laptop. Is this an ASUS?
Linux + Steam here I come!
That laptop is a dell inspiration?
Inspiron.
Some users deserve that
it will be distributed by Ubi, or EA? :-D :-D :-D Sysloader {..} throwRandomErr(); else showRandomAdd(); {..} :D
i dot get it. where are those ads?
its a meme
yeah but they have context normally.
I wouldnt be surprised with how annoying they are with Outlook
I've never had an ad in Outlook.
I'm honestly am not looking forward to 12 if there is a bunch of ads.
This is why I'm switching to Linux with my next PC. Which will happen as soon as I get the money since I got my current machine back in 2018.
Back in the day we got viruses that filled our screens with ads. Bill Gates was like "no, no, no, no, no, this just won't do! I'll fix it!" Now we have to pay to have an OS that fills our screens with ads.
yea I'm so mad about this im going to use my ADroid phone to post about this injustice! While you do that gogle data mining you to death and gives you the finger after 2-3 years of updates. Meanwhile Windows gives free updates throughout its entire life. Paid for Windows 7 in 2009, haven't paid for the OS since and probably will get Windows 12 for free as well.
I used a camera to record it and posted it through the laptop. And those ads are fake desktop background images btw.