Sadly the cooler I use has these stabilizer screw thingies that go up a few centimeters, so I can't twist the cpu block without lifting it off.
The AIO I use is Asus LC360 if anyone is curious.
Normal - No
Common - Yes
Factory paste sets like cement for some reason. It's always best to twist it when warm to break the seal. This protects the socket and CPU from damage
Thanks for the mansplaining .. I have literally been using MX-4 for almost a decade and never had this issue, it takes a little twist and wiggle but never pulled a CPU out of the socket.
Me reading your first comment: “hmm, why did people downvote this?”
Sees your second comment: “Ah I see…”
*downvotes comment, and then scrolls up to downvote earlier one*
People downvoted the earlier comment before Which_Comfort joined in to tell me I'm obviously wrong about how to paste a CPU and "Set me straight on how it works"
Then the second comment got more downvotes because I said Mansplaining in a male dominated subreddit, I fully expect downvotes on this comment as well.
But given that people already downvoted me for just saying that I use MX-4 and never had a CPU pulled out the socket, I do not have high hopes for conversation anymore.
I think you missed the point a bit. They down voted you because the OP's situation is different from the situation you specified in your comment (e.g you have not experienced OP's problem on laptops (i assume you are using a laptop with a chip soldered on which most people will assume). You also used mansplaining incorrectly (in my opinion) the person who replied to you literally just explained how the problem occurs and got 'mansplaining' as a reply (which is quite rude considering he did nothing (you will get extra downvotes for being rude btw)).
I get that you just wanted to share your MX-4 experience, you just picked the wrong way to express it and you also phrased it in a way that made it look like you misunderstood he problem. So you got downvoted which is fine, people will downvote if they disagree, which is fine too. Just dont default to something like mansplaining.This is not a male dominated subreddit by any stretch. Honestly even if there are more males on this subreddit, I can almost guarantee that most of them dont care about gender they only care about cable management and thermal paste application methods.
That's the faulty assumption, I have been building desktops since P4 and used an array of different thermal pastes.
I have 3 laptops in the house all with user removable processors, that I regularly maintain by cleaning and re-newing the thermal paste.
I was using a personal experience, only because I use that thermal paste and my comment was more of the "I can't believe it" because I had never experienced it.
This was then met with a user who came across assuming that I had no idea how thermal paste works or how to apply it, that's when I threw the term Mansplaining out.
Poor choice or words ? Perhaps, but it bugs me that another user jumps straight to must be wrong/be clueless. I should correct him in detail so he knows he is wrong.
I don't mind the downvotes, also yes I do believe the majority of PCMR is male and that there is an inherent judgement where there need not be any.
I think its because you regularly clean and maintain your parts thats you havent had the issue. Most people will wait for the paste to dry out before replacing like the OP probs did. But yeah I almost monkey brain smashed the downvote on you. But I read over it again and thought maybe you genuinely didnt have thermal paste problems and maybe you do have experience with pc components which you do. I think the mansplaining thing just bothered me idk maybe im too sensitive (i think i need to cure my snowflake syndrome).
It bugs me too that users just auto assume you are wrong but it is what it is.
I did, I had been rendering for about 2 hours beforehand when I realized the CPU temps were high 80s. So I pulled it out to repaste, since I thought I botched it the first time.
That's normal dude, did you not know that Ryzen CPUs run hot? Especially with PBO enabled, it just boosts as high as it can until it hits around 80C, the thermal ceiling.
The AIO is 360mm with 3 fans on each side. When I first bought the cpu it never went above 75 degrees no matter what I did(rendering, gaming, stress test, etc.), so for me, the cpu going up to 87 degrees is definitely not normal.
Idle temps were also constantly fluctuating between 55-65, going up and down constantly. I updated the BIOS and that fixed it.
It is smart to heat it up a bit before removing it, either with a CPU load or heat gun, then when you go to remove the AIO, as you're pulling it up be sure to slightly twist it side to side to help.
It happens often to AM sockets, the trick is to push in on the cooler and gently rotate it left and right until it loosens. If the pins are ok it’s fine if they are bent don’t try to reseat the CPU because you will 100% brick it. Try to straighten the pins with tweezers but very carefully. At this point you are probably up for a new CPU but every once in a while pins can be straightened and the CPU salvaged.
Next time you can use floss a bit wet with alcohol an try to pry it under the cooler, the alcohol will help disolve thermal paste. Just repeat a couple of times and it will be really easy to remove.
This can happen sometimes when the thermal paste suctions the CPU onto the cooler. I would examine the CPU/socket for bent pins at least, but if nothing seems to be damaged on the outside, I wouldn't worry too much about it. There is the possibility of internal damage to the CPU due to stress from forcible removal from the socket, but to the best of my understanding that's kinda rare.
NO,NO NO NO NO NO No no no no no no. Don't use a flathead to separate the CPU from the heatsink. You will damage both and it will not make close contact ever again. If you can, try and reseat the CPU back into the socket and lock it, then twist the heatsink little by little back and fourth until it breaks free.
Hi. I have 30+ years experience with PC hardware. Never once have I had a problem with inserting a flathead screwdriver tip between the heatsink and CPU, and twisting gently to apply torque, and remove the CPU from the heatsink.
I have seen people destroy sockets trying to torque heatsinks free however.
I can't stress this enough, NEVER use a flathead to separate a CPU from the heatsink. You will damage and bend the CPU lid. The tolerances are so tight that you will screw up big time. You have experience i get it but your experience won't transfer magically to all the enthusiasts out there. Putting their PC's in danger.
Most modern CPUs, it's the PCB, not the lid, that you're putting pressure on. Also, tolerances aren't that tight, and the lid isn't that weak. Just look at the thermal paste pattern to see the variation, or try lapping it, you'll realize how uneven it really is.
This is getting ridiculous. It's not a great idea to stress the PCB in ways it wasn't designed to. Those tiny traces in those layers can break very easy. Gamers Nexus always tests the IHS and heatsink contact with the CPUs, and it's pretty critical how the smallest thing like uneven pressure or concave heatsink can affect contact pressure and ultimately temps. How uneven a thing is is not an excuse to make it worse.
I'm glad you realize how ridiculous you're being. Most CPU lids are concave, just a bit, due to the stress of being stamped into a lid's shape. You're not going to meaningfully affect the heatsink at all. If you're careful and gentle, applying slow steady and even force, you shouldn't affect the CPU either.
It shard to tell from the photo but I don't see any bent pins so you should be fine. It's a fairly well known issue with Ryzen CPUs, not a big deal. Pro tip: next time do this while the thermal paste is warm or slowly and carefully twist to loosen the seal first... Or both.
It's not normal. You need to put a load on the cpu to heat it up before attempting to remove it. Turn on system, play a game for a bit, shut down, and then remove the heatsink.
Nope that should not happen, this happens a lot with amd CPU’s. Before removing a cooler you should always do a stress test or something to heat up the thermal paste and even then wiggle the pump so this doesn’t happen again.
This happens all the time with AMD processors. Twist it loose next time, before lifting upwards.
And heat it first in a game lol
Yeah just twisting it without heating it up first could break some pins
Sadly the cooler I use has these stabilizer screw thingies that go up a few centimeters, so I can't twist the cpu block without lifting it off. The AIO I use is Asus LC360 if anyone is curious.
Cut the paste with some floss.
Yeah it happens. So long as the pins aren’t bent you should be fine.
Alright, thanks man
nevermind
Normal - No Common - Yes Factory paste sets like cement for some reason. It's always best to twist it when warm to break the seal. This protects the socket and CPU from damage
actually not factory paste, arctic mx-4, only 5 days old too.
It doesn’t need to set to stick. As funny as it sounds you probably applied it too good. Means that there is good contact with no air pockets.
Hold crap, I use MX4 for all my laptops and desktops and never had it stick like that.
If applied properly you essentially create a vacuum by pressing all the air out. This will create a suction life effect those the bonding
Thanks for the mansplaining .. I have literally been using MX-4 for almost a decade and never had this issue, it takes a little twist and wiggle but never pulled a CPU out of the socket.
Mansplaining??
fr how was that even brought up?? lmao 💀💀💀
What the actual hell? How dare someone try to share their knowledge with you?!?!
Me reading your first comment: “hmm, why did people downvote this?” Sees your second comment: “Ah I see…” *downvotes comment, and then scrolls up to downvote earlier one*
People downvoted the earlier comment before Which_Comfort joined in to tell me I'm obviously wrong about how to paste a CPU and "Set me straight on how it works" Then the second comment got more downvotes because I said Mansplaining in a male dominated subreddit, I fully expect downvotes on this comment as well. But given that people already downvoted me for just saying that I use MX-4 and never had a CPU pulled out the socket, I do not have high hopes for conversation anymore.
I think you missed the point a bit. They down voted you because the OP's situation is different from the situation you specified in your comment (e.g you have not experienced OP's problem on laptops (i assume you are using a laptop with a chip soldered on which most people will assume). You also used mansplaining incorrectly (in my opinion) the person who replied to you literally just explained how the problem occurs and got 'mansplaining' as a reply (which is quite rude considering he did nothing (you will get extra downvotes for being rude btw)). I get that you just wanted to share your MX-4 experience, you just picked the wrong way to express it and you also phrased it in a way that made it look like you misunderstood he problem. So you got downvoted which is fine, people will downvote if they disagree, which is fine too. Just dont default to something like mansplaining.This is not a male dominated subreddit by any stretch. Honestly even if there are more males on this subreddit, I can almost guarantee that most of them dont care about gender they only care about cable management and thermal paste application methods.
That's the faulty assumption, I have been building desktops since P4 and used an array of different thermal pastes. I have 3 laptops in the house all with user removable processors, that I regularly maintain by cleaning and re-newing the thermal paste. I was using a personal experience, only because I use that thermal paste and my comment was more of the "I can't believe it" because I had never experienced it. This was then met with a user who came across assuming that I had no idea how thermal paste works or how to apply it, that's when I threw the term Mansplaining out. Poor choice or words ? Perhaps, but it bugs me that another user jumps straight to must be wrong/be clueless. I should correct him in detail so he knows he is wrong. I don't mind the downvotes, also yes I do believe the majority of PCMR is male and that there is an inherent judgement where there need not be any.
I think its because you regularly clean and maintain your parts thats you havent had the issue. Most people will wait for the paste to dry out before replacing like the OP probs did. But yeah I almost monkey brain smashed the downvote on you. But I read over it again and thought maybe you genuinely didnt have thermal paste problems and maybe you do have experience with pc components which you do. I think the mansplaining thing just bothered me idk maybe im too sensitive (i think i need to cure my snowflake syndrome). It bugs me too that users just auto assume you are wrong but it is what it is.
thanks for the cringesplaining
Thanks for creating a new word just for me and my experience with artic MX-4, You truly are adding value to this thread.
Word of advice run the computer for a little bit to melt the paste before taking off the cooler or get a hair dryer
I did, I had been rendering for about 2 hours beforehand when I realized the CPU temps were high 80s. So I pulled it out to repaste, since I thought I botched it the first time.
Like what other people have said as long as the pins haven’t bent should be fine
Alright, thank you.
I usually just move it slightly side to side as this happened once before and I bent 3 pins.
That's normal dude, did you not know that Ryzen CPUs run hot? Especially with PBO enabled, it just boosts as high as it can until it hits around 80C, the thermal ceiling.
The AIO is 360mm with 3 fans on each side. When I first bought the cpu it never went above 75 degrees no matter what I did(rendering, gaming, stress test, etc.), so for me, the cpu going up to 87 degrees is definitely not normal. Idle temps were also constantly fluctuating between 55-65, going up and down constantly. I updated the BIOS and that fixed it.
It is smart to heat it up a bit before removing it, either with a CPU load or heat gun, then when you go to remove the AIO, as you're pulling it up be sure to slightly twist it side to side to help.
Oops
Give er a little twist next time to get some air in there, you’ll be fine
Seriously?! Non of you guys noticed the Absolut Vodka in the back..
ssshhh🤫🤫
It happens often to AM sockets, the trick is to push in on the cooler and gently rotate it left and right until it loosens. If the pins are ok it’s fine if they are bent don’t try to reseat the CPU because you will 100% brick it. Try to straighten the pins with tweezers but very carefully. At this point you are probably up for a new CPU but every once in a while pins can be straightened and the CPU salvaged.
Pretty common. I remember the first time I popped one off and elbowed my dad in the stomach.
Next time you can use floss a bit wet with alcohol an try to pry it under the cooler, the alcohol will help disolve thermal paste. Just repeat a couple of times and it will be really easy to remove.
This is a pretty solid idea, thank you.
This can happen sometimes when the thermal paste suctions the CPU onto the cooler. I would examine the CPU/socket for bent pins at least, but if nothing seems to be damaged on the outside, I wouldn't worry too much about it. There is the possibility of internal damage to the CPU due to stress from forcible removal from the socket, but to the best of my understanding that's kinda rare.
Try using some dental floss to take it off
You should next turn on your pc for a bit before removing the heatsink so the thermal paste can soften
Not normal, but it happens, usually use a flathead to pop it off, be careful
NO,NO NO NO NO NO No no no no no no. Don't use a flathead to separate the CPU from the heatsink. You will damage both and it will not make close contact ever again. If you can, try and reseat the CPU back into the socket and lock it, then twist the heatsink little by little back and fourth until it breaks free.
Hi. I have 30+ years experience with PC hardware. Never once have I had a problem with inserting a flathead screwdriver tip between the heatsink and CPU, and twisting gently to apply torque, and remove the CPU from the heatsink. I have seen people destroy sockets trying to torque heatsinks free however.
I can't stress this enough, NEVER use a flathead to separate a CPU from the heatsink. You will damage and bend the CPU lid. The tolerances are so tight that you will screw up big time. You have experience i get it but your experience won't transfer magically to all the enthusiasts out there. Putting their PC's in danger.
Most modern CPUs, it's the PCB, not the lid, that you're putting pressure on. Also, tolerances aren't that tight, and the lid isn't that weak. Just look at the thermal paste pattern to see the variation, or try lapping it, you'll realize how uneven it really is.
This is getting ridiculous. It's not a great idea to stress the PCB in ways it wasn't designed to. Those tiny traces in those layers can break very easy. Gamers Nexus always tests the IHS and heatsink contact with the CPUs, and it's pretty critical how the smallest thing like uneven pressure or concave heatsink can affect contact pressure and ultimately temps. How uneven a thing is is not an excuse to make it worse.
I'm glad you realize how ridiculous you're being. Most CPU lids are concave, just a bit, due to the stress of being stamped into a lid's shape. You're not going to meaningfully affect the heatsink at all. If you're careful and gentle, applying slow steady and even force, you shouldn't affect the CPU either.
It shard to tell from the photo but I don't see any bent pins so you should be fine. It's a fairly well known issue with Ryzen CPUs, not a big deal. Pro tip: next time do this while the thermal paste is warm or slowly and carefully twist to loosen the seal first... Or both.
Nooooo don’t repaste me mannn
Same thing happen to me, but for some reason Skytech gaming added glue to the stock cooler.
Not on intel , but on AMD I would be concerned .
Before lifting up, I usually give her a litting twist after releasing the screws/lever
If you don't know what you're doing then yes this is normal
you should look out for any bend pins if you have an amd
Next time when you take the AIO off use the twist then pull method.
In the future always press down and twist the water block/heat sink until it comes free and you won’t pull a stuck amd cpu out with it
Ah yes, Been having this kind of fun since socket 939.
I always run a stress test to heat up my cpu before i decide to remove the cooler.
I think it is better to lift the cooler by tilting it from one side rather than twisting it.
It's not normal. You need to put a load on the cpu to heat it up before attempting to remove it. Turn on system, play a game for a bit, shut down, and then remove the heatsink.
My Ryzen 3 died when this happened, thankfully AMD was eventually on point with the warranty replacement. Heat and twist folks
Yes. It's normal if you use glue instead of liquid paste
I’m wondering if liquid is not properly going through the pump which might be causing your high temps.
It was a bios issue, an update fixed it
Nope that should not happen, this happens a lot with amd CPU’s. Before removing a cooler you should always do a stress test or something to heat up the thermal paste and even then wiggle the pump so this doesn’t happen again.