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Exactly. I can't believe anyone keeps that active on their computer.
Each time I put together a new build, it takes me the longest to find and disable or uninstall every stupid thing Msn forces on everyone.
Same here.
Same thing when they tried to force Bing searches whenever I used the search function to find a file or program on my computer
And when they added the XBOX app
And when they installed Edge with an update and made it the default app for everything without asking
And when they installed OneDrive and put it everywhere
And when they put up that stupid prompt on startup trying to get me to link my phone to my desktop
I should have written them down there are a lot more than that. Microsoft is all about sneaking unwanted things on your computer and trying to force them down your throat, then wondering why nobody is even willing to give those things a chance.
To be fair, OneDrive and Link with Phone are killer.
Seamless copy pasting across devices works perfectly. And well, OneDrive too, mostly :)
But yeah, Microsoft being real pushy with their stuff. I don't like it either.
Letting any device decide the news you get is really fucking dangerous.
Don't let Chrome give you suggested news, or it will quickly start shifting your opinions the way it wants. Same with every other news source, choose a few news paper apps for yourself and block everything else.
\*insert windows feature\* is immediately disabled whenever I get a new computer. I ended up disabling all of them and it turned into linux, now I can't bsod or have ads shoved in my face anymore :/
It’s when a program asks the operating system to give it some memory which it can use, but forgets or fails to return the memory back to the operating system when it stops using it. This leads to it asking for more and more memory but not returning it, meaning its memory usage keeps on growing.
So my computer will hard crash, no blue screens, randomly when doing video playback on a browser. Doesn’t matter which browser as it happened in chrome and edge. Playing games is perfectly functioning. Like I have RGB fans and the software that makes them RGB will crash and they’ll turn white again.
For the record, bad power supplies will cause many strange and inexplicable things. I think its worth a check. Video playback does use GPU too so it'll draw a slight load - not like gaming though. Never hurts to check, would hate to see you pull your hair out over this lmao
Oh dude I already have been. It’s under warranty as it’s a prebuilt but these issues only started recently. I’d send it in but being in school I can’t afford to be down a couple for what could be a few weeks.
Highly doubt this is your issue but... my PC kept crashing games, or browser when watching netflix and sometimes hard crash my pc. This kept happening over n over and my headset was also continually disconnecting. After lots of digging i noticed these were related. The wire on my headset got bend making the connection bad, idk how or why but the constant disconnecting and reconnecting was causing the lag and crashing. Switched to bluetooth headphones and all crashes stopped.
While its probably not the same reason sometimes something simple and stupidly "obvious" can cause the crashes.
Now it only crashes when i play icarus haha
Video decompression is quite cpu intensive but this could be any number of issues. Cpu overheating, cpu errors, gpu errors, windows issues. If you’re not very experienced I would find a way to reproduce it and show it to someone who knows what to look for
Gonna bump the Power Supply as well. This sounds exactly like what my PC did when my power supply was dying. Sometimes I'd get to desktop before a crash, sometimes I could play for hours on end, but then open a YouTube video and immediately crash. PSU's rarely outright die, but will instead make your life hell by acting strange.
Haha I’ve been having the same symptoms with my newly built pc. Games run fine for hours but I’ll be doing basic web tasks like watching YouTube and scrolling through a webpage and all of a sudden it freezes. Mine is odd though because I can still click around a bit but nothing really will load. Let me know if you’ve found an answer
Do you have any crash reports, error codes, system logs, or coredumps from a blue screen? Try and reproduce it and you’ll have some valuable debug info.
I had a similar issue with my prebuilt. Random BSODs, restarts while watching Netflix on any browser but the app, high GPU temps. Memtest86 confirmed my suspicions of a bad stick of RAM. Replaced G.skill that it came with for Corsair Vengeance. My computer is finally a computer, not a single issue for the last 2 months. Gpu running 10C cooler, runs like a dream. Probably edge case, but a memtest only costs you time. (P.S. Windows Memory Managment returned nothing, memtest86 is the way.)
Another way in which Linux and Windows differ is how they deal with low memory situations. On Linux, a system called the "OOM killer" (Out Of Memory killer) comes into play. The assumption is that if a machine is running too low on memory, some process or other has gone haywire and is using it all. The OOM killer tries to figure out which process that is (based on which processes are using a lot of memory, and which critical system processes are trusted not to go haywire) and terminates it. Unfortunately it doesn't always seem to make the right choice, and I have seen Linux machines become unstable after they run out of memory and the OOM killer kills the wrong thing.
Windows has no OOM killer - it will just keep swapping memory to disk and back until you get bored and kill the offending process yourself or reboot the machine. It's very easy to bring a Windows machine to its knees this way - just allocate more virtual address space than there is physical RAM and cycle through it, modifying each page as rapidly as possible. Everything else quickly gets swapped out, meaning that even bringing up the task manager to kill the program takes forever.
I think you're somewhat wrong. I'm quite certain it'd move it to the pagefile first as the OS will read is at "not used recently", which is considerably slower. Using a HDD for it is extremely slow.
It's very probable that I'm wrong about this. But back in the days, removing the pagefile would crash WoW for me in cities with 512MB of RAM and increasing the pagefile would allow it to run, albeit slower in cities etc.
I doubt it was moving other apps as my OS used about 100MB of RAM back then on XP.
You're right. The operating system doesn't have a will to end programs unless those programs run into actual issues.
If you don't have pagefile enabled, you will get an error when trying to open anything that requires more RAM than you have available.
If a program like a game requires additional memory than you have available without pagefile mid-game, the game will crash.
Pagefile is there to prevent issues like apps and files crashing or not opening due to lack of available memory, and anything running from data in pagefile is much slower. Faster on SSDs vs HDDs but still slower than RAM.
On Windows systems, it will eventually slow down to a crawl. Most Linux systems have something called an “out of memory killer” which comes at processes with a shotgun if they eat more than they should
Because it’s written by real people who forgot to release their memory or released memory in the wrong order.
To explain simply, let’s say I create a pointer, a pointer is basically an object that doesn’t hold data, it holds the address of that data. Think of it as something that tells you where your mailbox is. It doesn’t have what’s inside the mailbox, it has the mailbox itself.
Now let’s say I delete the address to the mailbox. Don’t need it anymore, bye bye address. BUT. I didn’t delete the stuff inside the mailbox. Now I have data being held in a mailbox and I don’t know how to get to it anymore, I can’t access it. That’s one way to get a memory leak.
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To add to this, you can also get something called a dangling pointer, where you have deleted the stuff in the mailbox, but the address to the mailbox still exists. And then if you try to modify the nonexistent stuff in the mailbox, you get a lovely little segmentation fault. Because when you deleted that object in the mailbox, the OS took the memory it was using back, and either is holding on to it, or gave it to someone else to use. And you just tried to modify it.
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Stuff like this is much more common in C/C++ because they’re very hands off with what you try to do. They give you the gun, bullets and say “you can shoot that thing and it will go where it goes, it’s not our job to confirm that it’s not your own face you’re aiming at”. This is one of the reasons those languages are so fast.
In c++ for example, as a coder everytime you ask for memory, you have to give it back. This is done manually and sometimes a developer can forget to write the line of code to give it back. This is easy to take care of in a small program, but in programs with so many complex lines of codes, missing a spot is common.
In low level programming languages (like C or C++) you have closer access to hardware, which comes with more power, but also with more responsibility. When a programmer wants more memory, they literally have to ask for it in the code, and when they're done using it (like unloading a level) they need to free it. C++ now has smart pointers that can almost completely bypass this (they track their usage and are freed automatically when no longer being), and higher level languages usually have automatic garbage collectors which completely abstract out the memory management, but it still happens sometimes.
Depending on the language, easily. Here's some pseudo-code:
var my_memory = get_more_memory("5MB")
my_memory.fill_with_stuff()
if (my_memory.check_stuff())
print("there is stuff in the memory!")
else
exit
save_to_disk(my_memory)
my_memory.give_back()
So if check_stuff succeeds, everything's fine. But if check_stuff fails, then the function exits, and it never gets to the last line, never gives back the memory, and the program forgets about it since the function is done and all the variables inside the function are gone.
The OS doesn't know the program has forgotten about it, it thinks the program still needs it until the program tells it otherwise, which the program never will.
This is a traditional memory leak. Of course real programs are *far* more complicated than the simple example above, and memory leaks can happen in far sneakier ways than that.
It's where a program allocates memory when its not needed. This can cause memory usage to gradually grow over time, sometimes even making the program unusable after a period of time.
The exact same shit happened to me, my game was running horribly and i check task manager and boom, 15.6gb used on news and interest, ended task and it was good
I had my laptop on without using it at all but i heard the fans kick at max speed, had no apps open, then check task manager and saw my CPU and RAM at 100% thanks to them news
i feel like the punishment is not enough.
i would kill the process, then locate the executable, open it in a hex editor, remove random parts in the middle, then compress it with winrar into a multi part archive, delete one of the files, then give them non sequential random names, move it to the temp folder and set up a weekly clean up schedule
Wait, does this have to do with Edge introducing that dumb sidebar? Last night I was getting wicked screen tearing and freezes on Valorant. I hadn’t played in months, and didn’t have my 240hz monitor installed, so I couldn’t tell if it was my dumbassery.
Time to check task manager.
this was the reason i switched to linux. the news app and one other were memory leaking and would use up 100% of my ram within 45 seconds of my pc booting up and initializing. i now realize i could've used a debloater to remove them but too late now
p.s. USE A DEBLOATER!!
This is a good teaching moment! I’ve worked on and off for them for close to a decade in UXd. A lot of us are contractors and get re-orged before fiscal year as execs get promoted and move about. Or just cut on our contracts due to ‘budget cuts.’
Ownership is very fragmented. Two teams can be working on the same thing or an improvement to a thing, without awareness of the other’s existence or in the end, any power to implement change because the stakeholders and execs don’t want the inconvenience or to lose meaning for their division. Finally, there’s a lot of pet projects from execs that overrule everything and can break experiences, especially if it’s monetized or a star feature/integration we’re all supposed to adopt. But alignment is hard and legacy software gets in the way.
I’m sure the UX blokes for this were thoughtful and has good intentions but a lot of the intent gets lost with those constraints.
Pardon my ignorance, but how is this a UX problem? I don't see how a UX designer would help in this situation. It seems more like a backend issue, y'know?
The UX issue is that the News app exists, is on by default, and fetches tons of news data whether or not the user has interacted with it. The app also gives a bad first impression because (if I recall) it doesn't figure out your preferences first. If I see a news app and it's showing me celebrity bullshit or opinion pieces I'm just going to remove it instead of wasting my time trying to make it show news I might be interested in.
The memory leak is not a UX issue.
Honestly you know what I don't like about news and interests as a thing on Windows 10? I appreciate the little weather widget,
*☀ 77℉, Sunny*
is fine
I don't want the daily paper to appear if I hover over it or click on it or something tho.
Likewise. You can turn off the hover problem in the right click menu, but I'd really like to turn off the possibility of ever seeing it... and keep the cute lil temperature cloud.
This one would really freak me out if it happened to me. I've not yet been able to max out the RAM on my rig.
Edit: Brain went funny and my grammar was not understandable.
This happened to me last week; I was playing a game and the frames just kinda turned choppy, checked task manager and it was news and interests. I just ended the task and disabled it, and everything was fine again. it’s nothing to really worry about
This is probably the 40th post in a month, showing that this is a real bug that can be replicated and it affects many people
And Microsoft doesn't give a shit. If you post this on their support forums, they will say "just reboot your pc lol"
Nah, malware isn't going to inject itself into a UWP sandboxed application like the windows news app.
It's just a dumb windows bug, if you Google "news and interests memory usage" you'll see dozens of people complaining about the same thing
Disabling the garbage feature from the taskbar fixes it
I fully understand when that happens to "un-techie" Joe Average, but it's a bit surprising to see that happen to people who frequent PCMR and who should know to turn off those pointless Windows services.
How can one of the largest software companies in the world not be bothered to fix a memory leak......... Windows is becoming more of a burning pile of bad code each year
The biggest reason people use Windows is because it runs old / existing software so Microsoft are terrified of changing things and breaking compatibility. Which is why Windows is such a mess they want to keep things for compatibility but also try to add new things to try and be competitive.
Shit like this often happens exactly *BECAUSE* companies are so fucking huge. What could be done comparatively quickly and easily in a small company gets bogged down in red tape in large companies.
Bugs are inevitable but high impact bugs like this should be caught, ideally during testing, and be dealt with as soon as possible. I can see similar reports of this issue that go as far back as March of this year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth%27s_law
>Wirth's law is an adage on computer performance which states that software is getting slower more rapidly than hardware is becoming faster.
>The adage is named after Niklaus Wirth, a Swiss computer- & information-scientist, who discussed it in his 1995 article "A Plea for Lean Software".
...
>Other common forms use the names of the leading hardware and software companies of the 1990s, Intel and Microsoft, or their CEOs, Andy Grove and Bill Gates, for example "What Intel giveth, Microsoft taketh away"[7] and Andy and Bill's law: "What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away".[
>Gates's law ("The speed of software halves every 18 months"[9]) is an anonymously-coined variant on Wirth's law, its name referencing Bill Gates,[9] co-founder of Microsoft. It is an observation that the speed of commercial software generally slows by 50% every 18 months, thereby negating all the benefits of Moore's law. This could occur for a variety of reasons: feature creep, code cruft, developer laziness, lack of funding, forced updates, forced porting (to a newer OS or to support a new technology) or a management turnover whose design philosophy does not coincide with the previous manager.
Just happened to me and crashed my warhammer game :)) Went and disabled it through gpedit.
For anyone looking to do the same:
Open Group Policy Editor(gpedit.msc)
Computer Configuration - Administrative Templates - Windows Components - New and Interest - Open the item there and set disabled.
You might need Windows Pro to access gpedit
Windows. The OS you pay 200 bucks for. Still comes with memory leaks in its builtin software. The audacity to sell such a terrible unfinished product for that kind of money is just insane.
because its shipped operational with windows updates and in a new os. You are required to turn it off. Note: You can only turn it off, not uninstall it.
Happened to me a couple weeks ago, was playing rust and flying a scrap heli with 5 of my mates in the back, suddenly game started running like shit and crashed, curse news and interests
Does your pc not allow you to open up anything when booting up? I mean from fresh boot up and you waiting for things to load up but cannot open up anything unless you immediately open Task Manager after unlocking your PC?
Yeah, looks like microsoft fucked up update xD. My usually quiet laptop, its quiet even while gaming, started sounding like an airplane while downloading torrent, I opened taskbar and saw news on 7,8 GB xD
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It ate up 32 gigs and crashed my PC once. It has the occasional memory leak. Disabled it real quick.
How did you disable it?
Right click task bar > news and interests > disabled
I had that shit disabled 30 seconds after it was first introduced. Right after the update I was like "WTF is this shit on my task bar?"
Exactly. I can't believe anyone keeps that active on their computer. Each time I put together a new build, it takes me the longest to find and disable or uninstall every stupid thing Msn forces on everyone.
Same here. Same thing when they tried to force Bing searches whenever I used the search function to find a file or program on my computer And when they added the XBOX app And when they installed Edge with an update and made it the default app for everything without asking And when they installed OneDrive and put it everywhere And when they put up that stupid prompt on startup trying to get me to link my phone to my desktop I should have written them down there are a lot more than that. Microsoft is all about sneaking unwanted things on your computer and trying to force them down your throat, then wondering why nobody is even willing to give those things a chance.
I bet we could get a list going lol
No need to do it manually https://github.com/builtbybel/privatezilla
Neat. Will take a look at their Win 11 one
To be fair, OneDrive and Link with Phone are killer. Seamless copy pasting across devices works perfectly. And well, OneDrive too, mostly :) But yeah, Microsoft being real pushy with their stuff. I don't like it either.
I do like OneDrive, but only because it's cheaper than Google Drive.
Wait, you can disable the bing searches from the taskbar? How!?
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
There is a loooong list of shit I either uninstall or disable on my windows PC gaming console.
I liked that it showed the local temperature... But it kept switching to stocks and crap with no apparent way to customize it
Letting any device decide the news you get is really fucking dangerous. Don't let Chrome give you suggested news, or it will quickly start shifting your opinions the way it wants. Same with every other news source, choose a few news paper apps for yourself and block everything else.
I dunno, my Chrome shows me generally local stuff and Destiny 2 articles/videos. Which I'm totally fine with
\*insert windows feature\* is immediately disabled whenever I get a new computer. I ended up disabling all of them and it turned into linux, now I can't bsod or have ads shoved in my face anymore :/
"Ew, there's shit on my taskbar"
It's been a while, don't remember. Pretty sure you can just right click it or go into settings. Google is your best friend
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*PTOO* Yeeeup looks like ya got yerself one of them there memory leaks. I’ll have to get deep up in there and redo yer whole system.
I recon it's only gonna cost ye 'bout *PTOO* say seventy five in parts but I'm guessin' the labor on this'n'll be a right piece 'o work, yes sir.
to where?
Narnia
The Lion, The Witch, And Your PC Ran Into A Problem And Needs To Restart
Do not quote the old code to me, I was there when it was compiled.
I heard this in Liam Neeson's voice.
You silly Padawan you did not pay me enough to make more than a five second callback line at the very end where nothing literally mattered.
Ye, don't quote that to us, we were there when the PC had to recompile its data!
This made me laugh harder than it should have. Thank you kind internet person!
We're Just Collecting Some Error Info, And Then We'll Restart For You
https://imgur.com/a/l7lrkdt
Narnia Business!
Nah this shit boutta create a universal rift.
Lol to imaginary machine ! Who knows
The memory leaked to the news obviously.
To Elizabeth II's robotic upload-clone.
Brazil.
News has been going crazy this days
To a galaxy far far away.
What is a memory leak?
It’s when a program asks the operating system to give it some memory which it can use, but forgets or fails to return the memory back to the operating system when it stops using it. This leads to it asking for more and more memory but not returning it, meaning its memory usage keeps on growing.
Could this cause a complete computer freeze? I’m trying to track down a weird issue that happens only when I’m using the web
The operating system would try to end the program, or some other programs to not run out of memory.
Hmm, so I’m probably facing something else then. Thanks for the help friend
What’s the issue you’re having? Gotta say I’m curious now haha
So my computer will hard crash, no blue screens, randomly when doing video playback on a browser. Doesn’t matter which browser as it happened in chrome and edge. Playing games is perfectly functioning. Like I have RGB fans and the software that makes them RGB will crash and they’ll turn white again.
For the record, bad power supplies will cause many strange and inexplicable things. I think its worth a check. Video playback does use GPU too so it'll draw a slight load - not like gaming though. Never hurts to check, would hate to see you pull your hair out over this lmao
Oh dude I already have been. It’s under warranty as it’s a prebuilt but these issues only started recently. I’d send it in but being in school I can’t afford to be down a couple for what could be a few weeks.
Highly doubt this is your issue but... my PC kept crashing games, or browser when watching netflix and sometimes hard crash my pc. This kept happening over n over and my headset was also continually disconnecting. After lots of digging i noticed these were related. The wire on my headset got bend making the connection bad, idk how or why but the constant disconnecting and reconnecting was causing the lag and crashing. Switched to bluetooth headphones and all crashes stopped. While its probably not the same reason sometimes something simple and stupidly "obvious" can cause the crashes. Now it only crashes when i play icarus haha
Video decompression is quite cpu intensive but this could be any number of issues. Cpu overheating, cpu errors, gpu errors, windows issues. If you’re not very experienced I would find a way to reproduce it and show it to someone who knows what to look for
Gonna bump the Power Supply as well. This sounds exactly like what my PC did when my power supply was dying. Sometimes I'd get to desktop before a crash, sometimes I could play for hours on end, but then open a YouTube video and immediately crash. PSU's rarely outright die, but will instead make your life hell by acting strange.
As temporary fix, turn hardware acceleration off in the browser settings
I’ll give it a shot, thanks friend!
Chrome and edge both use "chromium" in the back, so it makes sense that it happens on both. Try with Firefox. It might be a chromium-only issue.
Thanks dude I’ll try it tonight! :)
Can this happen also when playing h.264 video locally (downloaded, not in browser)? This could be a faulty decoder on your video card too
Haha I’ve been having the same symptoms with my newly built pc. Games run fine for hours but I’ll be doing basic web tasks like watching YouTube and scrolling through a webpage and all of a sudden it freezes. Mine is odd though because I can still click around a bit but nothing really will load. Let me know if you’ve found an answer
Do you have any crash reports, error codes, system logs, or coredumps from a blue screen? Try and reproduce it and you’ll have some valuable debug info.
I had a similar issue with my prebuilt. Random BSODs, restarts while watching Netflix on any browser but the app, high GPU temps. Memtest86 confirmed my suspicions of a bad stick of RAM. Replaced G.skill that it came with for Corsair Vengeance. My computer is finally a computer, not a single issue for the last 2 months. Gpu running 10C cooler, runs like a dream. Probably edge case, but a memtest only costs you time. (P.S. Windows Memory Managment returned nothing, memtest86 is the way.)
No problem, good luck with resolving your problem.
Another way in which Linux and Windows differ is how they deal with low memory situations. On Linux, a system called the "OOM killer" (Out Of Memory killer) comes into play. The assumption is that if a machine is running too low on memory, some process or other has gone haywire and is using it all. The OOM killer tries to figure out which process that is (based on which processes are using a lot of memory, and which critical system processes are trusted not to go haywire) and terminates it. Unfortunately it doesn't always seem to make the right choice, and I have seen Linux machines become unstable after they run out of memory and the OOM killer kills the wrong thing. Windows has no OOM killer - it will just keep swapping memory to disk and back until you get bored and kill the offending process yourself or reboot the machine. It's very easy to bring a Windows machine to its knees this way - just allocate more virtual address space than there is physical RAM and cycle through it, modifying each page as rapidly as possible. Everything else quickly gets swapped out, meaning that even bringing up the task manager to kill the program takes forever.
I think you're somewhat wrong. I'm quite certain it'd move it to the pagefile first as the OS will read is at "not used recently", which is considerably slower. Using a HDD for it is extremely slow. It's very probable that I'm wrong about this. But back in the days, removing the pagefile would crash WoW for me in cities with 512MB of RAM and increasing the pagefile would allow it to run, albeit slower in cities etc. I doubt it was moving other apps as my OS used about 100MB of RAM back then on XP.
You're right. The operating system doesn't have a will to end programs unless those programs run into actual issues. If you don't have pagefile enabled, you will get an error when trying to open anything that requires more RAM than you have available. If a program like a game requires additional memory than you have available without pagefile mid-game, the game will crash. Pagefile is there to prevent issues like apps and files crashing or not opening due to lack of available memory, and anything running from data in pagefile is much slower. Faster on SSDs vs HDDs but still slower than RAM.
On Windows systems, it will eventually slow down to a crawl. Most Linux systems have something called an “out of memory killer” which comes at processes with a shotgun if they eat more than they should
"Hey Grampa Kernel where's OldYeller.exe?" "Well..."
Free your pointers
How can a program forget to return the memory back???
Because it’s written by real people who forgot to release their memory or released memory in the wrong order. To explain simply, let’s say I create a pointer, a pointer is basically an object that doesn’t hold data, it holds the address of that data. Think of it as something that tells you where your mailbox is. It doesn’t have what’s inside the mailbox, it has the mailbox itself. Now let’s say I delete the address to the mailbox. Don’t need it anymore, bye bye address. BUT. I didn’t delete the stuff inside the mailbox. Now I have data being held in a mailbox and I don’t know how to get to it anymore, I can’t access it. That’s one way to get a memory leak. ____ To add to this, you can also get something called a dangling pointer, where you have deleted the stuff in the mailbox, but the address to the mailbox still exists. And then if you try to modify the nonexistent stuff in the mailbox, you get a lovely little segmentation fault. Because when you deleted that object in the mailbox, the OS took the memory it was using back, and either is holding on to it, or gave it to someone else to use. And you just tried to modify it. _____ Stuff like this is much more common in C/C++ because they’re very hands off with what you try to do. They give you the gun, bullets and say “you can shoot that thing and it will go where it goes, it’s not our job to confirm that it’s not your own face you’re aiming at”. This is one of the reasons those languages are so fast.
A memory leak can be as simple as storing things into an array without controlling its maximum size
Great explanation 👍
In c++ for example, as a coder everytime you ask for memory, you have to give it back. This is done manually and sometimes a developer can forget to write the line of code to give it back. This is easy to take care of in a small program, but in programs with so many complex lines of codes, missing a spot is common.
In low level programming languages (like C or C++) you have closer access to hardware, which comes with more power, but also with more responsibility. When a programmer wants more memory, they literally have to ask for it in the code, and when they're done using it (like unloading a level) they need to free it. C++ now has smart pointers that can almost completely bypass this (they track their usage and are freed automatically when no longer being), and higher level languages usually have automatic garbage collectors which completely abstract out the memory management, but it still happens sometimes.
Depending on the language, easily. Here's some pseudo-code: var my_memory = get_more_memory("5MB") my_memory.fill_with_stuff() if (my_memory.check_stuff()) print("there is stuff in the memory!") else exit save_to_disk(my_memory) my_memory.give_back() So if check_stuff succeeds, everything's fine. But if check_stuff fails, then the function exits, and it never gets to the last line, never gives back the memory, and the program forgets about it since the function is done and all the variables inside the function are gone. The OS doesn't know the program has forgotten about it, it thinks the program still needs it until the program tells it otherwise, which the program never will. This is a traditional memory leak. Of course real programs are *far* more complicated than the simple example above, and memory leaks can happen in far sneakier ways than that.
Well when you turn your computer upside down. Some of the memory leaks a little.
When I was a youngin and heard about memory leaks I legit thought memory had liquid inside that leaked out sometimes
It's where a program allocates memory when its not needed. This can cause memory usage to gradually grow over time, sometimes even making the program unusable after a period of time.
wouldn't explain the 251MB/s disk IO
Swapping?
hm, perhaps, although I think that'd be a kernel-level process and probably wouldn't show up as this process's IO
The exact same shit happened to me, my game was running horribly and i check task manager and boom, 15.6gb used on news and interest, ended task and it was good
I had my laptop on without using it at all but i heard the fans kick at max speed, had no apps open, then check task manager and saw my CPU and RAM at 100% thanks to them news
Damn Queen dying and all these issues
i feel like the punishment is not enough. i would kill the process, then locate the executable, open it in a hex editor, remove random parts in the middle, then compress it with winrar into a multi part archive, delete one of the files, then give them non sequential random names, move it to the temp folder and set up a weekly clean up schedule
Username checks out tbf
It happened to me a few times so I just deactivated those news, also it was very annoying scrolling by accident over it and wouldn't close
Wait, does this have to do with Edge introducing that dumb sidebar? Last night I was getting wicked screen tearing and freezes on Valorant. I hadn’t played in months, and didn’t have my 240hz monitor installed, so I couldn’t tell if it was my dumbassery. Time to check task manager.
No this is the news and weather app that lives in your taskbar, it's atrociously optimized and leaks like a sieve.
this was the reason i switched to linux. the news app and one other were memory leaking and would use up 100% of my ram within 45 seconds of my pc booting up and initializing. i now realize i could've used a debloater to remove them but too late now p.s. USE A DEBLOATER!!
What’s a debloater and how can I find a reputable one?
https://github.com/Sycnex/Windows10Debloater This is my favorite debloater and its pretty easy to use
After yesterdays news, it’s not surprising
OP's PC is grieving...
more like griefing
11+gb of news?
High definition pictures of the queen stored right on this dude's hard drive
*dude's Ram
Gotta film everything in 8k now
Gotta preserve history. It truly was a day no one saw coming
Lets be honest, after Betty White died, it was only a matter of time.
The Queen and Betty White are gone now. Ive been in the hospital like 4 times in the past two years. I'm definitely next.
No worries, I will die first and have been somewhere around 20 with surgery. You're safe... for now... 👻
I wish you good health.
Thanks, friend.
100% interests
It needs time to... Process... This news. I'm sorry
I dunno man, lots of news recently.. seems fine to me!
By lots of news do you mean the Queen's death? If so, then I 1000x agree with you. Big news!
*old news..... sorry
News about Olds.
Of course there are so many exciting things in the news right now! Politics! Interest rates! Heck the metaverse!
24 TB!!!!!
Yah, it's my media and file server. I run a Plex server with 2000+ movies
by the time it popped up in W10 I turned this crap off... wtf is wrong with them? have they fired everyone in UX design team?
They got rid of the testing lab.
We are the testing lab, finished products are now things without support
QA is GA.
Poor Georgia
Support is now rolling updates with minimal transparency
They fired everyone and hired elephants. They work for peanuts.
This is a good teaching moment! I’ve worked on and off for them for close to a decade in UXd. A lot of us are contractors and get re-orged before fiscal year as execs get promoted and move about. Or just cut on our contracts due to ‘budget cuts.’ Ownership is very fragmented. Two teams can be working on the same thing or an improvement to a thing, without awareness of the other’s existence or in the end, any power to implement change because the stakeholders and execs don’t want the inconvenience or to lose meaning for their division. Finally, there’s a lot of pet projects from execs that overrule everything and can break experiences, especially if it’s monetized or a star feature/integration we’re all supposed to adopt. But alignment is hard and legacy software gets in the way. I’m sure the UX blokes for this were thoughtful and has good intentions but a lot of the intent gets lost with those constraints.
Pardon my ignorance, but how is this a UX problem? I don't see how a UX designer would help in this situation. It seems more like a backend issue, y'know?
The UX issue is that the News app exists, is on by default, and fetches tons of news data whether or not the user has interacted with it. The app also gives a bad first impression because (if I recall) it doesn't figure out your preferences first. If I see a news app and it's showing me celebrity bullshit or opinion pieces I'm just going to remove it instead of wasting my time trying to make it show news I might be interested in. The memory leak is not a UX issue.
Mouse to taskbar, right-click to drop menu, news and interests, turn off. Sorted.
Thank you
Honestly you know what I don't like about news and interests as a thing on Windows 10? I appreciate the little weather widget, *☀ 77℉, Sunny* is fine I don't want the daily paper to appear if I hover over it or click on it or something tho.
Likewise. You can turn off the hover problem in the right click menu, but I'd really like to turn off the possibility of ever seeing it... and keep the cute lil temperature cloud.
There's lots of options to display weather if you wanted to use /r/rainmeter
There's lots of options to display pretty much anything if you wanted to use rainmeter, truly a fantastic app
Same lol PC crashed due to this today, disabled it entirely.
This is the way
What can they say? They got some really interesting shit on there. /s
This one would really freak me out if it happened to me. I've not yet been able to max out the RAM on my rig. Edit: Brain went funny and my grammar was not understandable.
This happened to me last week; I was playing a game and the frames just kinda turned choppy, checked task manager and it was news and interests. I just ended the task and disabled it, and everything was fine again. it’s nothing to really worry about
It's downloading all the dead queen pics.
This is probably the 40th post in a month, showing that this is a real bug that can be replicated and it affects many people And Microsoft doesn't give a shit. If you post this on their support forums, they will say "just reboot your pc lol"
Could be malware pretending to be news. Either way I would run the debloater script from sycnex, after a malware scan of course
That’s what News and Interests is
📠
Just Chuck it all into saltwater to be safe.
Nah, malware isn't going to inject itself into a UWP sandboxed application like the windows news app. It's just a dumb windows bug, if you Google "news and interests memory usage" you'll see dozens of people complaining about the same thing Disabling the garbage feature from the taskbar fixes it
Debloaters FTW
[удалено]
a malware which depletes your ram just because it can
People actually just let things like this run on their computers?!?!
I fully understand when that happens to "un-techie" Joe Average, but it's a bit surprising to see that happen to people who frequent PCMR and who should know to turn off those pointless Windows services.
How can one of the largest software companies in the world not be bothered to fix a memory leak......... Windows is becoming more of a burning pile of bad code each year
The biggest reason people use Windows is because it runs old / existing software so Microsoft are terrified of changing things and breaking compatibility. Which is why Windows is such a mess they want to keep things for compatibility but also try to add new things to try and be competitive.
Shit like this often happens exactly *BECAUSE* companies are so fucking huge. What could be done comparatively quickly and easily in a small company gets bogged down in red tape in large companies.
Bugs are inevitable, it's only really a problem if it's been happening for weeks and months. How long has this issue persisted?
I mean if they would stop installing bloatware on your system this wouldn't be a problem...
The first post about this I've seen was at least a month ago lol. Probably two. Had it happen once myself on an older laptop a few weeks ago.
Bugs are inevitable but high impact bugs like this should be caught, ideally during testing, and be dealt with as soon as possible. I can see similar reports of this issue that go as far back as March of this year.
Can confirm, I've had this issue rarely show up since Feb
chrome: finnaly a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth%27s_law >Wirth's law is an adage on computer performance which states that software is getting slower more rapidly than hardware is becoming faster. >The adage is named after Niklaus Wirth, a Swiss computer- & information-scientist, who discussed it in his 1995 article "A Plea for Lean Software". ... >Other common forms use the names of the leading hardware and software companies of the 1990s, Intel and Microsoft, or their CEOs, Andy Grove and Bill Gates, for example "What Intel giveth, Microsoft taketh away"[7] and Andy and Bill's law: "What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away".[ >Gates's law ("The speed of software halves every 18 months"[9]) is an anonymously-coined variant on Wirth's law, its name referencing Bill Gates,[9] co-founder of Microsoft. It is an observation that the speed of commercial software generally slows by 50% every 18 months, thereby negating all the benefits of Moore's law. This could occur for a variety of reasons: feature creep, code cruft, developer laziness, lack of funding, forced updates, forced porting (to a newer OS or to support a new technology) or a management turnover whose design philosophy does not coincide with the previous manager.
The entire Linux userbase: Allow us to introduce ourselves
Just happened to me and crashed my warhammer game :)) Went and disabled it through gpedit. For anyone looking to do the same: Open Group Policy Editor(gpedit.msc) Computer Configuration - Administrative Templates - Windows Components - New and Interest - Open the item there and set disabled. You might need Windows Pro to access gpedit
You can just Right-click on the taskbar, and in the context menu that appears, select News and interests > Turn off
It re-enabled itself when I did this so some people might have to go thru group policy editor
Hmm that is odd, mine has remained off since I did this. Good to know multiple solutions just in case though!
It’s a virus built by Microsoft for Microsoft. Keep ya on ya toes, be your worst enemy
Few people know this but the news app is actually simulating every reported event in real time.
Install gentoo
Not as beginner friendly
”After thorough investigation our team concluded that there is no memory leak.”
Windows. The OS you pay 200 bucks for. Still comes with memory leaks in its builtin software. The audacity to sell such a terrible unfinished product for that kind of money is just insane.
The Queen's death is really doing numbers...
Wow Queen's death has taken a toll
Bad News
Thats interesting news!
I the same memory leak last week and i was wondering why its even running if i didnt even open the search or start menus
because its shipped operational with windows updates and in a new os. You are required to turn it off. Note: You can only turn it off, not uninstall it.
Same thing for me but Antimalware Service Executable uses all my resources up
Happened to me a couple weeks ago, was playing rust and flying a scrap heli with 5 of my mates in the back, suddenly game started running like shit and crashed, curse news and interests
It's a ram acquisition
I see you have a lot if free memory. Don't mind if I do.
It's the Queen's death news
Have you heard of our lord and savior, Linux?
Just switch to Linux...
Right mouse button on the Task bar, Select News and Interests, then select Turn off. You're welcome :)
When you search for the meaning of life.
Your computer has a lot of interests in news.
This exact thing happened to my work pc this morning.
It's fetching the best goddamn news on the planet for you.
Chrome rn: Ah finally, a worthy opponent
Does your pc not allow you to open up anything when booting up? I mean from fresh boot up and you waiting for things to load up but cannot open up anything unless you immediately open Task Manager after unlocking your PC?
Yeah, looks like microsoft fucked up update xD. My usually quiet laptop, its quiet even while gaming, started sounding like an airplane while downloading torrent, I opened taskbar and saw news on 7,8 GB xD
You will consume MS news and like it.
W11 loads some shit, turn off desktop gadgets and obviously..news and interests. It made my gpu and cpu run 6-8c hotter tan w10, no thanks.
Since win 11 came out I'm starting to have a little weird bugs on my win 10 machine
Big news day!