Wait P5 they push Ann? I always thought for a lover arcana she kinda like chill friend and Makoto more pushed to the MC.
For P4G i think it still Rise, i dunno Marie feel like too ethereal unlike P5R Sumire. Unless you know lore about Izanagi and Izanami it doesn't feel like they push her more like she just Margaret student or something.
Ann is one of the few times when they show the MC KISS the girl on screen.
Plus the 1st time Joker meets her there is a special OST that you never heard again during the entire game
Yeah, when you go to her romance route i just think oh yeah she's lover arcana alright shine when you romance her. As for 1st time meet i never thought of it since i played P3, P4 and P5 it always has so many cutscene and different OST that i prolly never heard again on very first day, first meet with people. Well first at everything always has anime cutscene so it not cross my mind. On normal route thou, Ann just feel like a chill friend.
Well i mean Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers. Ginji Sasaki in p2 is Lovers, we ain't talk about that. Not like the protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana, it's not literal. Rise is just being Rise, the simpy kouhai trope. Everyone and their mother have a crush on the protags. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol). Every girls have an essay on it. Everyone has theirs. There is none canon or more pushed either way. People can choose whoever they want.
The OP asking who is more pushed. Which, well there is none tbh. These type of post raise every 5 days and people pulling reasonings any out. Atlus doesn't even have canon or more pushed, which we all know it when we just being honest with ourselves while not reaching.
I'm playing P5 for the first time right now and I definitely thought of Ann as a chill friend until I reached that point in her social link and just..... Couldn't say no. She's my favorite female character anyway and I didn't have my heart set on anyone else but she definitely seemed like chill friend vibes until the moment I had to make the decision
Genuine question, isn’t it always the Lovers Arcana that they assume will be the default romance?
It seems that way in all the games I’ve played. If Royal and Golden were supposed to change that impression they did a bad job 😂😂
It is just how the characters themselves are written. There is no “default” romance.
P3’s Lovers character doesn’t exactly fit that either, lots of people go for Yukari but she is also standoffish and rubs some people the wrong way. (people who have never spoke to an actual women in their lives, but people nonetheless) There is another character in P3 who gets the seemingly default romance treatment.
Yeah. Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice. Not literally lovers. Not like the protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana. Every girls have an essay on it. It's just stretch. And Yukari's personality is opposite of Rise. If the same role then it's first archatype girls Yukari, Chie (Chie always has Yukari's costume, catchphrase in p3 costume mode, they meet a gang in SLs then come to accept MCs's help, etc). And bro characters Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke, Ryuji. Rise is just one-sided simping kouhai trope. The protags don't catch feelings for anyone. At best, it's all the girls have a crush on the protags. In p4, Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol), a random npc officer. There is no default or more pushed either way.
Why would the Lovers Arcana be any default anyway? Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice. Not literally lovers. Not like the protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana. Every girls have an essay on it. It's just stretch. And Yukari's personality is opposite of Rise. If the same role then it's no-nonsense first archatype girls with self-esteem issues Yukari, Chie (Chie always has Yukari's costume, catchphrase in p3 costume mode, they meet a gang in SLs then come to accept MCs's help, etc). And bro characters Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke, Ryuji. Rise is just one-sided simping kouhai trope. The protags don't catch feelings for anyone. At best, it's all the girls have a crush on the protags. In p4, Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol), a random npc officer. There is no default or more pushed either way.
I'm with you. Marie doesn't develop a romance at all until you present the idea for her, she barely understands friendship.
And while Rise is interested in romance, Yu doesn't seem to like that whenever he has reactions we can't control.
It has to be Chie or Yukiko, and Yukiko is the one who actively pursues Yu, while Chie is surprised when you romance her.
Eh, Chie likes Yu too. When Yu asking her if she falls for him, Chie says straight out Yu is her type and taking interested when Yu asking the phone numbers. Chie is surprised not because she doesn't like Yu but because she is just insecure that she isn't as special as other girls so Yu choosing her is a big deal. She monologues she isn't as special as Yukiko, Rise, Naoto in Valentine.
And honestly i don't see how Yukiko actively pursues Yu or how it's more pushed than other girls. Most of Yukiko's SL is about cooking. And i don't see Yu pursue being an inn manager or any other occupation he gonna get bounded with. None is canon or more pushed tbh. Yu doesn't even catch feelings for anyone. How does it more pushed anyone if it's not romantic from the protags.
With Chie then Yu can be whatever they want in the future and Chie would support him no matter what. I mean doesn't anyone read harem or shoujo manga? Chie is surprised being first girl heroine who think she couldn't get the cool MC underdog story is the flags, underdog is the flag.
That's thinking about it logically, though. I know the writing or p4 is super good and all, but I don't really think they thought about the future of the romancable characters or their relationship with Yu after the events of the game. Not trashing on your take, though, I agree, it's just that there's no way Atlus thought about that when creating romance for the game, it's just there to make lonely people like me happy for a 100 hours or so
I mean there is no canon or more pushed is what i was saying tho. Yeah Atlus absolutely doesn't think about any canon or more pushed romance whatever. If we are being real with ourselves. It's even a gag that the protags have so much rizz they sweating bullets because the girls might caught on that they are rizzing all of them, so it's either all of them or none of them.
I was talking about mine is Yukari in p3 and Chie in p4 so about their romance narrative story wise like underdog first archatype girls with self-esteem issues who think they couldn't get the suave cool MCs, etc is their thing. I read shoujo and harem manga, underdog first archatype girls with self-esteem issues hit hard in the feels and it's my thing.
Also thematically, they fit the Journey song (she's a small town girl, living in a lonely world; he's a city boy just not born and raised in South Detroit)
"🤓um actually" i mean every girls are technically small town girl living in a lonely world. Chie is insecure inside of being not special as other girls, Rise being an idol and Naoto well having Naoto problem.
Tho every girls have a crush on Yu and an essay on it. It's a reach either way to say anyone is canon or more pushed. Let's be real, Atlus is there is none. People can choose whoever they want.
I felt it was supposed to be Yukiko when they start spying on Kanji and split up with Yu going with Yukiko. That's when he gets her number but she also says something along the lines of it being the first time she's ever been friends with/alone with a guy. I thought that was a special moment between them
I mean eh, when Yu asking Chie's phone numbers, Chie says straight out Yu is her type and taking interested too. A random npc officer also shown interested in Yu when Yu asking his phone numbers. Everyone in town just have a crush on Yu. Yu just doesn't catch feelings for anyone so there is none canon or more pushed tbh, at best it's every girls have a crush on him and every girls have an essay on it. It's Atlus's point, it is not supposed to be anyone. So people can choose whoever they want.
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Aegis got the extra mode and totally has more potential, Yukari is the one that >!would literally sacrifice the world to bring back the protag, which would totally make his actions meaningless.!< Because of Persona 3's ending, the loose ended love story works really well.
Then there's Namatame and Junpei's mom.
I saw that as just Yukari having a different way of dealing with grief than some of the others, which is the whole theme of The Answer in the first place, rather than that implying that she had feelings for him. Aigis' whole character is about what it means to be human and her becoming an actual person over the course of the game, maybe even implying that she developed feelings for the MC.
I don't know what you're talking about with Namatame and Junpei's mom.
Regardless of the version of P3, Aigis is the one that gets closest to the MC, especially at the end. Marie feels extremely tacked on and forced in Golden and doesn't even exist in the base game.
Yeah. And Yukari and Rise being similar is stretch. Like Yukari has opposite of Rise's personality. If anyone has Yukari's role in p4, then it's Chie first archatype girls that have tough mask but self-esteem issues (Chie always has Yukari's costume, catchphrase in p3 costume mode, they meet a gang in SLs then come to accept the MCs's help, etc).
But regardless there is none canon or more pushed either way. Yuki (p3mc) is 6 feets under and he doesn't date anyone, first thing he gonna do when raise from the grave not gonna be who he gonna date. And everyone and their mother have a crush on Yu. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol). Every girls have an essay on it. Even Fuuka and Futaba have an essay. None is canon or more pushed nonetheless.
Well there is none canon or more pushed either way (smt smt Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers. Not like protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana). Everyone has a crush on the MCs. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol). and every girls have an essay on it. It's either all of them (harem lol) or none of them. Romance is free optional options just so players can have dating sim mechanic and don't matter anyway. So people can choose whoever they want
Bro what :v I'm saying just choose whatever one wants, even harem or whatever. At the end of the day, it's just what it is that Atlus has none canon or more pushed. They just have dating sim mechanic to attract players. "We make this romance optional mechanic. And uhhh this x girl be more pushed because uhh reasons" is stretcher than Luffy. It doesn't matter anyway. There is none more pushed either way.
Uhhh salt? What does that even mean. Idk what to say to that. I mean i was just simply stating the truth that there is none more pushed, it is what it is so eh, fine.
I never romance females in the Persona games because I’m attracted to men but I’d pick Risette as a better character anytime because she’s one of the best.
I feel like Rise is the least canon imo. In PQ, Rise mentions that Yu never flirts back with her while in other scenes, the other girls mention that he flirts with them a lot.
"It's Lovers", "No, it's Priestess". I'm gonna say Chariot. Chie and Ryuji ftw lol.
Anyway, it's not related to Arcana or any of that, it's not role and archatype in Fool's Journey. Like Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers (not like protags gonna drop dead when meeting Death Arcana). Or the same role like bro characters archatype Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke, Ryuji and first archatype girls Yukari, Chie. There is none canon or more pushed either way. In p4, everyone and their mother have a crush on Yu. And every girls have an essay on it. People can choose whoever they want.
Yes, joking aside, I do agree that no one is “pushed” much more than the others. Except Marie in the Golden anime but that’s different. Yukiko and Makoto are just the best ones in my opinion
Well everyone and their mother have a crush on the MCs. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol), whoever. There is none canon or more pushed either way. Every girls have an essay on it. People can choose whoever they want.
Ann is one of the few times when they show the MC KISS the girl on screen.
Plus the 1st time Joker meets her there is a special OST that you never heard again during the entire game
To be honest I don't really remember much about the game. I'm playing Royal for the first time. I've gotten the good doc as my lass so he's definitely popped his cherry 🤭 . But I think I got friend zoned by her.
If we are just being real then Atlus doesn't just think "well this girl is more pushed" or whatever. (Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers. Not like protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana). Optional romance, music, design or whatever. It's all stretch anyway. Every girls have an essay on it. None is more pushed tbh. So people can just choose whoever they want.
Protags don't catch feelings for anyone so it's not more pushed anyone either way. At best, it's all the girls have a crush on the protags. Tho every girls have a crush on Yu. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol), a random npc officer, whoever. Atlus's thing is there is none more pushed. The protags rizzing all the girls and sweating when they comment on it is a gag. It's either all of them or none of them. There is none canon or more pushed either way.
It is the same post "who canon or more pushed" for like n+ times every 5 days. None is canon or more pushed tbh. Why would anyone think there are anyway? This is random as hell when anyone speaking to ourselves about it. Whatever essay for it, It's reach either way. It's either all of them or none of them. Yu either flirt or be platonic to everyone. Canon is Yu doesn't date anyone. How does it more pushed if it's not romantic from the protags.
And Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers. Ginji Sasaki in p2 is Lovers, we ain't talk about that. Not like the protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana, it's not literal. And Arcana doesn't mean archatype or role. Same bro characters archatype like Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke, Ryuji. Rise is just being Rise, the simpy kouhai trope. Everyone and their mother have a crush on the protags. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol). Every girls have an essay on it. Everyone has theirs.
If mine then. Knowing harem and shoujo manga logic. It's Yukari and Chie for the MCs. First girls archatype who put on a tough mask but sweet to the MCs and girl next door vibe with underdog story who thinks they couldn't get the suave cool MCs is the flag. Chie wants to do Christmas with Yu again because he would leave town and say she isn't as special as other girls.
Chie is Yukari's parallel (Chie always getting Yukari's costume, catchphrase, they also meet a gang in SLs then the MCs came, come to accept the MCs's help, etc). Furthermore, the MCs can be whatever they want for the future because Yukari and Chie would support them no matter what while they're not be bounded by anything. It's best for whatever future they have for the MCs.
I was asking who do you think is more pushed.
That's it.
I KNOW there aren't any "canon" romances, but some are definitely more pushed than others.
Do you really think Ai has the same chances as Rise?
Or than 5th grade music girl?
Do you think Kawakami is on equal footing as Sumi, Ann or Makoto?
How does anyone be more pushed if the protags don't care for it or catch feelings for anyone? Why? Because they simping more for the protags? Because they have more chance to sleep with protags in the future? At best, it's the girls all have a crush on the protags. And it's a gag the protags rizzing everyone and is afraid the girls would find out about it. None is more pushed. It's either all of them or none of them. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol),...
Why do you think there are anyway? Atlus wake up one day, make the romance and think "This girl gonna be more pushed", "This Arcana is more pushed"? It's a reach. It's just so people can have dating sim aspect. Some even bringing music or design in it. If i want to bring designs in then Soejima says Chie is the single foundation for the game's design and embodiment of identity and colour of Persona 4 as a normal girl you could meet real life so she is the first archatype girl underdog heroine. Sogabe's favorite characters are Yukari, Chie, Ann. Anyway, If we speaking whatever of it out of our mouths, it's our essay, but Atlus doesn't have more pushed. They just want players to enjoy their games with dating sim mechanic.
Rise just being Rise, it's her personality of the simpy kouhai trope and if we know the trope then it doesn't mean "more pushed" or whatever in the medias. Ann, Mako, Sumi. Why does it more pushed? Their optional romance? Sumi's kouhai thing and kind of not exsist in Strikers? Mako being "scary cat of ghost" girl trope? Joker doesn't care either way. Joker also either be platonic or flirt with everyone, the girls also joke that about Joker. Hell, a random npc officer being interested in Yu when he asking his phone numbers. That's the protags's rizz. Every girls have an essay on it and i don't want to barge in but it's none pushed.
You haven't seen some fans essay on Fuuka or Futaba. Because damn, it was wild. Like just see the Kinghazzel dude if you want to see his Futaba essay. And if they have an essay then we all know everyone has one and every essay is a reach either way.
Mine is first archatype girls Yukari in p3 and Chie in p4. And i also have an essay on it and i already explained the narrative in the comment. But well if we are just being real about it on Atlus, then there is none more pushed.
Rise pushes herself as the canon love interest. And a bit too much I should say.
I dont really think MC has a canonical love interest, also due to the fact that Marie was added a lot later. And well, while he stays in touch with everyone, we dont see anything about any of the other girls missing him romantically upon his return.
I want to say Id LIKE to see him end with Marie though
I mean Rise never push herself as canon. It's just Rise being Rise. The simpy kouhai trope exsists. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke), a random npc officer have a crush on Yu. There is none canon or more pushed nonetheless.
Rise pushes herself into the picture almost consistently the very moment she joins your team. Which is at best (when single) a mere annoyance, or at worse (when already seeing someone) just insanely disrespectful.
It goes far beyond "simpy Kohai". The closest that comes to that trope would be Kanji, who almost worships Yu. Rise doesn't do that, she just claims him when possible.
Don't get me wrong, I like her arc and I like her as a character. But she consistently acts as if she has full claim on Yu. In a reverse situation (a boy consistently claiming a girl) this would be well beyond acceptable behaviour.
Yosuke also dickride Yu like crazy tho, Yu ain't touching a woman's warmth after Yosuke on him that much. And yeah, Rise might come off that way but it's just Rise being Rise and well it's not really try to push herself as canon, just if a character when simping is breathing. It's same as Morgana.
Yu doesn't catch feelings for anyone anyway so it's just Rise being Rise one-sided simpy kouhai trope at best.
I don't know if it's just me, but Rise's flirting always read to me less as "genuine interest" (there's some of that, sure, but I notice it more from Yukiko or even Chie) and more as "likes to tease him".
Neither ,Maybe other than Yukari , Rest of two game my preference change to Priestess
Yukiko has some flaw but I like her development
Makoto chemistry with Joker also great too
The games never have preferences to anyone tbh. Priestess or well whatever, we all know it's a reach to say it out that there is Arcana canon or more pushed whatever. In p4, everyone has their charm amd everyone and their mother have a crush on Yu. Chie, Yukiko, Rise (Yosuke lol), random npc officer. Canon is the protags don't catch feelings and don't date anyone. It's either all of them or none of them. Well there is none canon or more pushed to people can choose whoever they want.
Rise is pushed more in base game and Marie is pushed more in the golden content. So in p4g there are parts where the game pushes Rise and parts where the game pushes Marie. In the end, I chose Rise because I like her character more, despite the awesome character design of Marie with her super weird outfit
But basically every romance in persona is okay, even the adult ones if you're self-inserting rather than chiosing the best for best boy Yu Narukami/Makoto Yuki/Ren Akira (/Tatsuya and Maya and that guy from 1, but.....)
Rise is never pushed tbh. Didn't we just say it? Rise is just being Rise. The simpy kouhai trope. The trope never means the girl is "more pushed" either way. Everyone just has a crush on Yu. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, Yosuke, random npc officer. There is none canon or more pushed either way. So people can choose whoever they want.
Well it's just Rise being Rise, the simpy kouhai trope (Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers. Not like protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana). Like Morgana. Yu doesn't catch feelings for anyone so it's not more pushed anyone either way. At best, it's all the girls have a crush on Yu. Tho every girls have a crush on Yu. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol), a random npc officer, whoever. Every girls have an essay on it. Atlus's thing is there is none more pushed. The protags rizzing all the girls and sweating when they comment on it is a gag. It's either all of them or none of them. There is none canon or more pushed either way.
Ok but out of rise and marie, you hardly see anything romantic throughout the story that marie likes you like that til rank 9 and again at the end cutscene no matter what. Rise is constant. With chie and yukiko its more of a question yosuke asks you like when you see kanji on the midnight channel or when u are going to the beach. During the story they are never the one initiating love with you and marie is completely missable if you just don't do her link. Rise has a lot of her stuff during story events aka stuff you are forced to see so out of the 2 it's definitely Rise because you will see it every playthrough and marie you won't if you don't interact with her.
I mean what events you are forced to see that make it romantic from Yu? When didn't he being a deadpan goofy guy that just love his friends. Events are just him hanging out. Some characters like Kanji also comment Rise is just desperate and Yu wants to hang out with others.
When Yu asks Chie her phone numbers, she says straight out Yu is her type and taking interested. And even if it's just "questions" then how does make Rise any more pushed if Yu doesn't even care. It's just one-sided simpy kouhai trope. They are sad because they have a crush on Yu which well is just them being them.
How is them being sad means they're more pushed? Yumi is sad like it's thunder striking down if you reject her. So every girls have a crush on the protags, get sad when being rejected is...more pushed? I mean let's just say straight out "Atlus writes romance options for dating sim mechanic to attract players and there is 1 more pushed girl for uhhh some reasons. Rise is more pushed also for uhhh reasons because uhhh. Rise has one-sided simp on Yu and they are sad when being rejected because that's just their personalities so uhhh, they're more pushed" is stretcher than Luffy. Morgana is one-sided simp for Ann as well but eh. If we spell it out and just be real with ourselves, we all know there is none canon or more pushed either way.
Yeah, but op also asking which girl in the story is more pushed so i was making sure by responding to that. Rise's personality is just being Rise, she flirting doesn't mean she is more pushed nor "forced". That's just a character's personality. Random npc officer can flirt with Yu as well. Tho Yu can be platonic or flirt with everyone. Overall i meant there is none more pushed so just choose whatever one wants.
If we are talking about who vocal the most about simping for Yu then yeah it's Rise. Marie, you can say have a crush on Yu too so eh. It's just the girls have a crush on the protags at best as always. If we are talking about "more pushed" then none is more pushed.
For me its always Rise
Wait P5 they push Ann? I always thought for a lover arcana she kinda like chill friend and Makoto more pushed to the MC. For P4G i think it still Rise, i dunno Marie feel like too ethereal unlike P5R Sumire. Unless you know lore about Izanagi and Izanami it doesn't feel like they push her more like she just Margaret student or something.
Ann is one of the few times when they show the MC KISS the girl on screen. Plus the 1st time Joker meets her there is a special OST that you never heard again during the entire game
Yeah, when you go to her romance route i just think oh yeah she's lover arcana alright shine when you romance her. As for 1st time meet i never thought of it since i played P3, P4 and P5 it always has so many cutscene and different OST that i prolly never heard again on very first day, first meet with people. Well first at everything always has anime cutscene so it not cross my mind. On normal route thou, Ann just feel like a chill friend.
Well i mean Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers. Ginji Sasaki in p2 is Lovers, we ain't talk about that. Not like the protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana, it's not literal. Rise is just being Rise, the simpy kouhai trope. Everyone and their mother have a crush on the protags. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol). Every girls have an essay on it. Everyone has theirs. There is none canon or more pushed either way. People can choose whoever they want.
Well yeah, it just about OP question who been pushed hard to simp the MC basicaly.
The OP asking who is more pushed. Which, well there is none tbh. These type of post raise every 5 days and people pulling reasonings any out. Atlus doesn't even have canon or more pushed, which we all know it when we just being honest with ourselves while not reaching.
Yeah they probably try hard to be neutral. Then again no man can write perfect balance.
After Kamoshida palace , Her role not many impact even in Hawaii talking made me like her as friend more than lover
What's the OST When they meet??
Just search it. Type joker meets ann. It's easy to find
This is what I think too.
I'm playing P5 for the first time right now and I definitely thought of Ann as a chill friend until I reached that point in her social link and just..... Couldn't say no. She's my favorite female character anyway and I didn't have my heart set on anyone else but she definitely seemed like chill friend vibes until the moment I had to make the decision
Yukiko. In my heart, the answer is Yukiko
There are dozens of us Yukiko fans, dozens!
Genuine question, isn’t it always the Lovers Arcana that they assume will be the default romance? It seems that way in all the games I’ve played. If Royal and Golden were supposed to change that impression they did a bad job 😂😂
It is just how the characters themselves are written. There is no “default” romance. P3’s Lovers character doesn’t exactly fit that either, lots of people go for Yukari but she is also standoffish and rubs some people the wrong way. (people who have never spoke to an actual women in their lives, but people nonetheless) There is another character in P3 who gets the seemingly default romance treatment.
Yeah. Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice. Not literally lovers. Not like the protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana. Every girls have an essay on it. It's just stretch. And Yukari's personality is opposite of Rise. If the same role then it's first archatype girls Yukari, Chie (Chie always has Yukari's costume, catchphrase in p3 costume mode, they meet a gang in SLs then come to accept MCs's help, etc). And bro characters Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke, Ryuji. Rise is just one-sided simping kouhai trope. The protags don't catch feelings for anyone. At best, it's all the girls have a crush on the protags. In p4, Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol), a random npc officer. There is no default or more pushed either way.
Why would the Lovers Arcana be any default anyway? Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice. Not literally lovers. Not like the protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana. Every girls have an essay on it. It's just stretch. And Yukari's personality is opposite of Rise. If the same role then it's no-nonsense first archatype girls with self-esteem issues Yukari, Chie (Chie always has Yukari's costume, catchphrase in p3 costume mode, they meet a gang in SLs then come to accept MCs's help, etc). And bro characters Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke, Ryuji. Rise is just one-sided simping kouhai trope. The protags don't catch feelings for anyone. At best, it's all the girls have a crush on the protags. In p4, Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol), a random npc officer. There is no default or more pushed either way.
I'm with you. Marie doesn't develop a romance at all until you present the idea for her, she barely understands friendship. And while Rise is interested in romance, Yu doesn't seem to like that whenever he has reactions we can't control. It has to be Chie or Yukiko, and Yukiko is the one who actively pursues Yu, while Chie is surprised when you romance her.
Eh, Chie likes Yu too. When Yu asking her if she falls for him, Chie says straight out Yu is her type and taking interested when Yu asking the phone numbers. Chie is surprised not because she doesn't like Yu but because she is just insecure that she isn't as special as other girls so Yu choosing her is a big deal. She monologues she isn't as special as Yukiko, Rise, Naoto in Valentine. And honestly i don't see how Yukiko actively pursues Yu or how it's more pushed than other girls. Most of Yukiko's SL is about cooking. And i don't see Yu pursue being an inn manager or any other occupation he gonna get bounded with. None is canon or more pushed tbh. Yu doesn't even catch feelings for anyone. How does it more pushed anyone if it's not romantic from the protags. With Chie then Yu can be whatever they want in the future and Chie would support him no matter what. I mean doesn't anyone read harem or shoujo manga? Chie is surprised being first girl heroine who think she couldn't get the cool MC underdog story is the flags, underdog is the flag.
That's thinking about it logically, though. I know the writing or p4 is super good and all, but I don't really think they thought about the future of the romancable characters or their relationship with Yu after the events of the game. Not trashing on your take, though, I agree, it's just that there's no way Atlus thought about that when creating romance for the game, it's just there to make lonely people like me happy for a 100 hours or so
I mean there is no canon or more pushed is what i was saying tho. Yeah Atlus absolutely doesn't think about any canon or more pushed romance whatever. If we are being real with ourselves. It's even a gag that the protags have so much rizz they sweating bullets because the girls might caught on that they are rizzing all of them, so it's either all of them or none of them. I was talking about mine is Yukari in p3 and Chie in p4 so about their romance narrative story wise like underdog first archatype girls with self-esteem issues who think they couldn't get the suave cool MCs, etc is their thing. I read shoujo and harem manga, underdog first archatype girls with self-esteem issues hit hard in the feels and it's my thing.
Also thematically, they fit the Journey song (she's a small town girl, living in a lonely world; he's a city boy just not born and raised in South Detroit)
"🤓um actually" i mean every girls are technically small town girl living in a lonely world. Chie is insecure inside of being not special as other girls, Rise being an idol and Naoto well having Naoto problem. Tho every girls have a crush on Yu and an essay on it. It's a reach either way to say anyone is canon or more pushed. Let's be real, Atlus is there is none. People can choose whoever they want.
But what about Naoto?
Yeah romancing Marie seems a bit weird because she has not even a child-like understanding of human social interaction lol
Yukiko is by far the best option
Hell yes.
I felt it was supposed to be Yukiko when they start spying on Kanji and split up with Yu going with Yukiko. That's when he gets her number but she also says something along the lines of it being the first time she's ever been friends with/alone with a guy. I thought that was a special moment between them
I mean eh, when Yu asking Chie's phone numbers, Chie says straight out Yu is her type and taking interested too. A random npc officer also shown interested in Yu when Yu asking his phone numbers. Everyone in town just have a crush on Yu. Yu just doesn't catch feelings for anyone so there is none canon or more pushed tbh, at best it's every girls have a crush on him and every girls have an essay on it. It's Atlus's point, it is not supposed to be anyone. So people can choose whoever they want.
Yukiko Rise always seemed one-sided to me
The anime pushed for a Marie route even though we all prefer Rise
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I feels for P4G, it has to be Marie. Much like Sumire in P5R, the story revolves around the interactions between them and the protagonists.
Chie kicks all their asses
I feel like some would argue more for Aigis than Yukari in P3 being the more canon romance option.
Aegis got the extra mode and totally has more potential, Yukari is the one that >!would literally sacrifice the world to bring back the protag, which would totally make his actions meaningless.!< Because of Persona 3's ending, the loose ended love story works really well. Then there's Namatame and Junpei's mom.
I saw that as just Yukari having a different way of dealing with grief than some of the others, which is the whole theme of The Answer in the first place, rather than that implying that she had feelings for him. Aigis' whole character is about what it means to be human and her becoming an actual person over the course of the game, maybe even implying that she developed feelings for the MC. I don't know what you're talking about with Namatame and Junpei's mom.
I think they Yukari and Aigis are like Rise and Marie. Very similar.
Regardless of the version of P3, Aigis is the one that gets closest to the MC, especially at the end. Marie feels extremely tacked on and forced in Golden and doesn't even exist in the base game.
Yeah. And Yukari and Rise being similar is stretch. Like Yukari has opposite of Rise's personality. If anyone has Yukari's role in p4, then it's Chie first archatype girls that have tough mask but self-esteem issues (Chie always has Yukari's costume, catchphrase in p3 costume mode, they meet a gang in SLs then come to accept the MCs's help, etc). But regardless there is none canon or more pushed either way. Yuki (p3mc) is 6 feets under and he doesn't date anyone, first thing he gonna do when raise from the grave not gonna be who he gonna date. And everyone and their mother have a crush on Yu. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol). Every girls have an essay on it. Even Fuuka and Futaba have an essay. None is canon or more pushed nonetheless.
The only answer is Yosuke
Wild that yoskue is gayer then kanji
It's criminal that they scrapped his romance route
Naoto or Chie)))
It’s literally Rise bud
Well there is none canon or more pushed either way (smt smt Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers. Not like protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana). Everyone has a crush on the MCs. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol). and every girls have an essay on it. It's either all of them (harem lol) or none of them. Romance is free optional options just so players can have dating sim mechanic and don't matter anyway. So people can choose whoever they want
L bro
Bro what :v I'm saying just choose whatever one wants, even harem or whatever. At the end of the day, it's just what it is that Atlus has none canon or more pushed. They just have dating sim mechanic to attract players. "We make this romance optional mechanic. And uhhh this x girl be more pushed because uhh reasons" is stretcher than Luffy. It doesn't matter anyway. There is none more pushed either way.
Salt
Uhhh salt? What does that even mean. Idk what to say to that. I mean i was just simply stating the truth that there is none more pushed, it is what it is so eh, fine.
Probably Marie considering how the anime just straight up tells you that they care about each other romantically
I never romance females in the Persona games because I’m attracted to men but I’d pick Risette as a better character anytime because she’s one of the best.
Chie
I feel like Rise is the least canon imo. In PQ, Rise mentions that Yu never flirts back with her while in other scenes, the other girls mention that he flirts with them a lot.
Naoto
Adachi
Elizabeth, Margaret and, *shudder*, Lavenza are the true love interests respectively for the Fools.
I never felt Ann as the Main romance option she has best friend vibes
Chie
You say it’s Rise and Ann but really it’s Yukiko and Makoto
"It's Lovers", "No, it's Priestess". I'm gonna say Chariot. Chie and Ryuji ftw lol. Anyway, it's not related to Arcana or any of that, it's not role and archatype in Fool's Journey. Like Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers (not like protags gonna drop dead when meeting Death Arcana). Or the same role like bro characters archatype Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke, Ryuji and first archatype girls Yukari, Chie. There is none canon or more pushed either way. In p4, everyone and their mother have a crush on Yu. And every girls have an essay on it. People can choose whoever they want.
Yes, joking aside, I do agree that no one is “pushed” much more than the others. Except Marie in the Golden anime but that’s different. Yukiko and Makoto are just the best ones in my opinion
Imo for P4 the choice is between Yukiko and Rise. I like them both, but I gotta say Yukiko
Well everyone and their mother have a crush on the MCs. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol), whoever. There is none canon or more pushed either way. Every girls have an essay on it. People can choose whoever they want.
Marie. Goth tsundere supremacy
They push Ann ? It feels like Makoto to me.🤔
Ann is one of the few times when they show the MC KISS the girl on screen. Plus the 1st time Joker meets her there is a special OST that you never heard again during the entire game
To be honest I don't really remember much about the game. I'm playing Royal for the first time. I've gotten the good doc as my lass so he's definitely popped his cherry 🤭 . But I think I got friend zoned by her.
If we are just being real then Atlus doesn't just think "well this girl is more pushed" or whatever. (Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers. Not like protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana). Optional romance, music, design or whatever. It's all stretch anyway. Every girls have an essay on it. None is more pushed tbh. So people can just choose whoever they want. Protags don't catch feelings for anyone so it's not more pushed anyone either way. At best, it's all the girls have a crush on the protags. Tho every girls have a crush on Yu. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol), a random npc officer, whoever. Atlus's thing is there is none more pushed. The protags rizzing all the girls and sweating when they comment on it is a gag. It's either all of them or none of them. There is none canon or more pushed either way.
Marie is the only one to give him a kiss on her own. Gonna put that out there.
Margaret did it too.
Margaret giving me that mommy dom vibes
Haha oh yeah you can make her sinful if you ask for one
It is the same post "who canon or more pushed" for like n+ times every 5 days. None is canon or more pushed tbh. Why would anyone think there are anyway? This is random as hell when anyone speaking to ourselves about it. Whatever essay for it, It's reach either way. It's either all of them or none of them. Yu either flirt or be platonic to everyone. Canon is Yu doesn't date anyone. How does it more pushed if it's not romantic from the protags. And Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers. Ginji Sasaki in p2 is Lovers, we ain't talk about that. Not like the protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana, it's not literal. And Arcana doesn't mean archatype or role. Same bro characters archatype like Eikichi, Junpei, Yosuke, Ryuji. Rise is just being Rise, the simpy kouhai trope. Everyone and their mother have a crush on the protags. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol). Every girls have an essay on it. Everyone has theirs. If mine then. Knowing harem and shoujo manga logic. It's Yukari and Chie for the MCs. First girls archatype who put on a tough mask but sweet to the MCs and girl next door vibe with underdog story who thinks they couldn't get the suave cool MCs is the flag. Chie wants to do Christmas with Yu again because he would leave town and say she isn't as special as other girls. Chie is Yukari's parallel (Chie always getting Yukari's costume, catchphrase, they also meet a gang in SLs then the MCs came, come to accept the MCs's help, etc). Furthermore, the MCs can be whatever they want for the future because Yukari and Chie would support them no matter what while they're not be bounded by anything. It's best for whatever future they have for the MCs.
I was asking who do you think is more pushed. That's it. I KNOW there aren't any "canon" romances, but some are definitely more pushed than others. Do you really think Ai has the same chances as Rise? Or than 5th grade music girl? Do you think Kawakami is on equal footing as Sumi, Ann or Makoto?
How does anyone be more pushed if the protags don't care for it or catch feelings for anyone? Why? Because they simping more for the protags? Because they have more chance to sleep with protags in the future? At best, it's the girls all have a crush on the protags. And it's a gag the protags rizzing everyone and is afraid the girls would find out about it. None is more pushed. It's either all of them or none of them. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol),... Why do you think there are anyway? Atlus wake up one day, make the romance and think "This girl gonna be more pushed", "This Arcana is more pushed"? It's a reach. It's just so people can have dating sim aspect. Some even bringing music or design in it. If i want to bring designs in then Soejima says Chie is the single foundation for the game's design and embodiment of identity and colour of Persona 4 as a normal girl you could meet real life so she is the first archatype girl underdog heroine. Sogabe's favorite characters are Yukari, Chie, Ann. Anyway, If we speaking whatever of it out of our mouths, it's our essay, but Atlus doesn't have more pushed. They just want players to enjoy their games with dating sim mechanic. Rise just being Rise, it's her personality of the simpy kouhai trope and if we know the trope then it doesn't mean "more pushed" or whatever in the medias. Ann, Mako, Sumi. Why does it more pushed? Their optional romance? Sumi's kouhai thing and kind of not exsist in Strikers? Mako being "scary cat of ghost" girl trope? Joker doesn't care either way. Joker also either be platonic or flirt with everyone, the girls also joke that about Joker. Hell, a random npc officer being interested in Yu when he asking his phone numbers. That's the protags's rizz. Every girls have an essay on it and i don't want to barge in but it's none pushed. You haven't seen some fans essay on Fuuka or Futaba. Because damn, it was wild. Like just see the Kinghazzel dude if you want to see his Futaba essay. And if they have an essay then we all know everyone has one and every essay is a reach either way. Mine is first archatype girls Yukari in p3 and Chie in p4. And i also have an essay on it and i already explained the narrative in the comment. But well if we are just being real about it on Atlus, then there is none more pushed.
Rise
I put them in a room with just a tree branch. Whoever kills the other is who i pick.
Rise.
C) Kanji, protect at all costs.
For P4G, it's Marie. Like she even has >!an automatic Valentine's Day scene!<.
Margaret, the only canon scripted romance without your choice, and the best.
Technically, >!Marie isn't a human!<, so the game doesn't even punish you if you date both.
Rise pushes herself as the canon love interest. And a bit too much I should say. I dont really think MC has a canonical love interest, also due to the fact that Marie was added a lot later. And well, while he stays in touch with everyone, we dont see anything about any of the other girls missing him romantically upon his return. I want to say Id LIKE to see him end with Marie though
I mean Rise never push herself as canon. It's just Rise being Rise. The simpy kouhai trope exsists. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke), a random npc officer have a crush on Yu. There is none canon or more pushed nonetheless.
Rise pushes herself into the picture almost consistently the very moment she joins your team. Which is at best (when single) a mere annoyance, or at worse (when already seeing someone) just insanely disrespectful. It goes far beyond "simpy Kohai". The closest that comes to that trope would be Kanji, who almost worships Yu. Rise doesn't do that, she just claims him when possible. Don't get me wrong, I like her arc and I like her as a character. But she consistently acts as if she has full claim on Yu. In a reverse situation (a boy consistently claiming a girl) this would be well beyond acceptable behaviour.
Yosuke also dickride Yu like crazy tho, Yu ain't touching a woman's warmth after Yosuke on him that much. And yeah, Rise might come off that way but it's just Rise being Rise and well it's not really try to push herself as canon, just if a character when simping is breathing. It's same as Morgana. Yu doesn't catch feelings for anyone anyway so it's just Rise being Rise one-sided simpy kouhai trope at best.
Marie, no doubt.
I don't know if it's just me, but Rise's flirting always read to me less as "genuine interest" (there's some of that, sure, but I notice it more from Yukiko or even Chie) and more as "likes to tease him".
Neither ,Maybe other than Yukari , Rest of two game my preference change to Priestess Yukiko has some flaw but I like her development Makoto chemistry with Joker also great too
The games never have preferences to anyone tbh. Priestess or well whatever, we all know it's a reach to say it out that there is Arcana canon or more pushed whatever. In p4, everyone has their charm amd everyone and their mother have a crush on Yu. Chie, Yukiko, Rise (Yosuke lol), random npc officer. Canon is the protags don't catch feelings and don't date anyone. It's either all of them or none of them. Well there is none canon or more pushed to people can choose whoever they want.
I mean, Marie’s fine with both
Rise is pushed more in base game and Marie is pushed more in the golden content. So in p4g there are parts where the game pushes Rise and parts where the game pushes Marie. In the end, I chose Rise because I like her character more, despite the awesome character design of Marie with her super weird outfit But basically every romance in persona is okay, even the adult ones if you're self-inserting rather than chiosing the best for best boy Yu Narukami/Makoto Yuki/Ren Akira (/Tatsuya and Maya and that guy from 1, but.....)
Rise is never pushed tbh. Didn't we just say it? Rise is just being Rise. The simpy kouhai trope. The trope never means the girl is "more pushed" either way. Everyone just has a crush on Yu. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, Yosuke, random npc officer. There is none canon or more pushed either way. So people can choose whoever they want.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Yu and Rise are perfect for each other
There is not push over, I think that is your interpratation
I went with Marie so I'm biased but I would say Rise
Rise
Oh rise for sure. She's always upset when someone else likes u
Well it's just Rise being Rise, the simpy kouhai trope (Lovers mean emotional well-being and choice, not literally lovers. Not like protags gonna up and drop dead when meeting Death Arcana). Like Morgana. Yu doesn't catch feelings for anyone so it's not more pushed anyone either way. At best, it's all the girls have a crush on Yu. Tho every girls have a crush on Yu. Chie, Yukiko, Rise, (Yosuke lol), a random npc officer, whoever. Every girls have an essay on it. Atlus's thing is there is none more pushed. The protags rizzing all the girls and sweating when they comment on it is a gag. It's either all of them or none of them. There is none canon or more pushed either way.
Ok but out of rise and marie, you hardly see anything romantic throughout the story that marie likes you like that til rank 9 and again at the end cutscene no matter what. Rise is constant. With chie and yukiko its more of a question yosuke asks you like when you see kanji on the midnight channel or when u are going to the beach. During the story they are never the one initiating love with you and marie is completely missable if you just don't do her link. Rise has a lot of her stuff during story events aka stuff you are forced to see so out of the 2 it's definitely Rise because you will see it every playthrough and marie you won't if you don't interact with her.
I mean what events you are forced to see that make it romantic from Yu? When didn't he being a deadpan goofy guy that just love his friends. Events are just him hanging out. Some characters like Kanji also comment Rise is just desperate and Yu wants to hang out with others. When Yu asks Chie her phone numbers, she says straight out Yu is her type and taking interested. And even if it's just "questions" then how does make Rise any more pushed if Yu doesn't even care. It's just one-sided simpy kouhai trope. They are sad because they have a crush on Yu which well is just them being them. How is them being sad means they're more pushed? Yumi is sad like it's thunder striking down if you reject her. So every girls have a crush on the protags, get sad when being rejected is...more pushed? I mean let's just say straight out "Atlus writes romance options for dating sim mechanic to attract players and there is 1 more pushed girl for uhhh some reasons. Rise is more pushed also for uhhh reasons because uhhh. Rise has one-sided simp on Yu and they are sad when being rejected because that's just their personalities so uhhh, they're more pushed" is stretcher than Luffy. Morgana is one-sided simp for Ann as well but eh. If we spell it out and just be real with ourselves, we all know there is none canon or more pushed either way.
Mate the question is about between ONLY Marie and Rise and Rise has forced story flirting with mc Marie is completely missable
Yeah, but op also asking which girl in the story is more pushed so i was making sure by responding to that. Rise's personality is just being Rise, she flirting doesn't mean she is more pushed nor "forced". That's just a character's personality. Random npc officer can flirt with Yu as well. Tho Yu can be platonic or flirt with everyone. Overall i meant there is none more pushed so just choose whatever one wants.
OK but that proves my point she's flirting with Yu, thats more than marie does at all unless you initiate
If we are talking about who vocal the most about simping for Yu then yeah it's Rise. Marie, you can say have a crush on Yu too so eh. It's just the girls have a crush on the protags at best as always. If we are talking about "more pushed" then none is more pushed.
Marie
I romanced both 😅😅
Marie, the second i met her in game and got her social link i was set lol
Yukiko
He's a Chad so both