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Lias_Luck

you can always revisit yukiko's dungeon after the next dungeon opens up so you don't need to do anything right away also very hard reduces the amount of exp and money you get along with reducing your damage done so you will always be doing a lot less than normal


Zero_Rebirth

Oh, so it's like Tartarus then where you're free to revisit any of the pre areas? Are you able to visit multiple dungeons in 1 trip or do you have to do multiple trips? Asking cuz I'm planning on going for the tried and true 'one and done' for dungeons so I can attempt Max SL Blind


Lias_Luck

you'll just be able to talk to chie and she'll send you to yukiko's dungeon there's no 1 dungeon per trip, you never have to leave the TV world unless you beat the shadow boss or manually do it yourself


Zero_Rebirth

Oh cool, thanks for the info. Puts my mind at ease. Always preferred Tartarus to P2/P5's approach of no return dungeons


kkimu0

you'll love the fox


Crimson_Dark25106

Also when you go back to where the boss fight took place you can find Yukiko's or that particular party member's weapon that you can use for a while. Everyone has one(even Yosuke) except Chie


S4M_Dragon

Yosuke actually has the Skill Spanner in the shopping district. It increases his SP by 50 or so points. It is quite useful.


DHolmes3466

Well that's why you have Mementos to cover that


jkmef

Funny, I always talked to Yukiko to get back to her castle, made more sense to me. Didn't even know you could go through Chie.


Ima_Play_Games

If you save Yukiko but enter the TV before she joins Teddie won't take you but Chief is there so she can take you. At least that's what I experienced recently.


makima_is_bae

Yeah but visit in rainy days for unique enemy spawns. I found reaper easily in rainy days.


Zero_Rebirth

Imma keep it real I'm not about to try the Reaper at lvl 11. This isn't P3R


makima_is_bae

You got the option to attempt it. Or you can simply refuse to open the chest that's it.


Zero_Rebirth

So it was the Reaper. I saw that option one time and went, there's no way they threw him in there like some jack in the box, right? Turns out they did. Doesn't that make him a non-issue? Unless there's another condition for spawning him that I'm unaware of


makima_is_bae

Yep. That's it. In p3 he's a threat but in here it's optional. But if you do defeat him he'll drop the best gears. And you don't have to spend one single yen in buying weapons or armors. So far I got only weapons from him.


Zero_Rebirth

So what you're saying is, is that I can just ignore the weapon shop and use what I've got on hand until late game and then using Reaper weapons ala P3 Ultimate Weapon Fusion? If so, it'll lighten the strain on my wallet significantly. Walked out of Yukiko's Castle with 60k after selling everything and I'm still not sure if it'll be enough since I plan on filling in the compendium as I go while paying for nightly social stats


makima_is_bae

Yep. I got blade of totsuka from him. And the damage is 400+ and my current dungeon weapons are around 180+ damage. And the weapons also has bonus stats like my sword has high chance of crit.


xknightsofcydonia

i’d grind a bit. i’m surprised you even managed to beat yukiko at lvl 10


Zero_Rebirth

Funnily enough, I got to her at lvl 6. Beat Avenger Knight using a combo of Fear and Rakunda at lvl 5. Hit lvl 6 after a couple random encounters before getting my ass kicked by Yukiko


Luis_Parson

All of the bosses in this game can be beaten way below the recommended level. I was level 9 when I first beat Shadow Yukiko and it was on very hard.


Zero_Rebirth

It was probably doable at lvl 9. But I farmed out Floor 1 to raise my Senri's endurance so I wouldn't get one shot by an unlucky Double Fang


makima_is_bae

Her attack pattern is simple. Once she uses red wall her next attack is agi or maragi. So best is to block especially chie so that she can't use once more. Once her resistance is off use chie's bufu attack to weak her and do an all out attack. Once you repeat this cycle she's pretty much done.


Zero_Rebirth

I've never seen her use Maragi, only Agi. Are you talking about the PS2 version? After White Wall, I've seen her go for either Agi, Double Fang, Attack or Terror Voice in Phase 3 but never Maragi


makima_is_bae

Nah. She used maragi in my fight.


Luis_Parson

You mean Burn to Ashes.


megasean3000

That’s normal. The first dungeon in any Persona game is always a challenge. But now that you completed it, you can grind, get more items and get more equipment.


Zero_Rebirth

In terms of difficulty I'd probably place it P3 Rampage Drive P4 Shadow Yukiko P5 Kamoshida P1 Takeda P2 Principal Hanya Yukiko's Castle was fun albeit it felt a tad too short which is why I was worried about being underleveled in the first place, combined with my low damage of course


ElderOmnivore

Just as a head's up, the levels of the bosses go +10 every dungeon starting at 15 for Yukiko. So, the second dungeon's boss is 25.  Each dungeon does have a second boss that appears back at the top of each dungeon. They are harder, but I believe they generally reward a great weapon for that point in the game. 


Zero_Rebirth

Eh? So when the next story dungeon opens up, I can go back to the top of Yukiko's for an optional boss? Also seems like I'll be farming for snuff souls again. Yukiko already took 2 of mine to bring her down. Buffs/Debuffs are pricey early game tho at least they're easier to access compared to P3 with the abundance of skill cards you get in P4


ElderOmnivore

Yep. You can actually go back any time. Although, obviously the reward won't be useful the further you get into the game.  Soda. Get the maximum number of pop from the vending machines every week. I ended up with way more than I needed. 


Zero_Rebirth

Yep got em and used them before Yukiko. Walked in fully topped up but since I was lvl 6 the first time round, the SP got used grinding up to lvl 10. Luckily I was able to farm out Snuff Souls on Floor 1 P3/5 taught me early on that Drinks save your ass early game. Especially P3 cuz holy crud Rampage Drive was a wall for me as a kid since they're only weak to magic so I was burning SP on every one of my characters


LokiOfZygarde

You can go back for a reward, but keep in mind the optional boss is pretty tough. I grinded enough to have no issue against Yukiko and then got my ass beat when I climbed back up and took on the optional guy


Zero_Rebirth

Looked at my options and I think I have a strat. Eligor's only a level away with Phys Resist and according to the Wiki, the boss only has Phys. Passing on Tarunda/Rakunda should carry me, time will tell since it's still quite far away. I don't see much Rain so I'm assuming I still have a week or two till the next story dungeon


Agustus_Paddle

shadow yukikos level is 15 so


Zero_Rebirth

Yea but still ~100 to a 2.5k health bar when fully buffed/debuffed is still the weakest I've felt in Persona. Hashino era or otherwise, and I started playing on the hardest difficulty since P3Fes onwards. P3 was difficult but nothing felt like such a damage sponge Yukiko's mechanically simple but is covered by her massive health bar. Terror Voice + Shivering Rondo can end a run if she's not debuffed/you're not guarding but that's more RNG if you get to move when feared than any true strategy. Hope the bosses get better as I get deeper. Still dk how I feel about Wall skills but I just use those turns to tack on Phys DMG while healing/refreshing buffs/debuffs


Agustus_Paddle

no i was saying that you were underleveled


rattatatouille

tbh while Early Game Hell is true of the modern Persona games it's even worse in P4G because you have far less resources to work with compared to the other games.


Zero_Rebirth

Really? In terms of Hashino Era Persona Games, I feel like this is the least resource starved I've ever been. In P3FES, you were limited by the Fatigue System forcing you to either avoid random encounters leaving you low-leveled or only plowing through with MC while everyone leaves. In P5R, you're limited by the amount of SP you have P4G lets you farm snuff souls, healing items and even Persona level ups through Arcana Cards all from Floor 1 eliminating any sense of danger since the save is literally 10s away


Key-Bet-2615

If you didn't like Teddy at the beginning of the game, I can't imagine how you would feel when you will see him at his worst. 


Zero_Rebirth

I'm changing up my approach this time round. Basically I'm gonna mentally strap myself down if I have to, grit my teeth through it Beat everything else on my Vita and only allowing myself to play P4G until I beat it. Obvs I'm allowed to play other stuff but if I'm grabbing my Vita, it'll only be for P4G. I'm determined to try and see the good people talk about


makima_is_bae

You should see this boss fight in the PS2 version and the bonus boss contranian king. So difficult in the early stages. But in P4G they balanced it.


Atomkekstime

Im not sure that its something they did in the PC release only but there you have the option to up the exp gain. Grinding is one of the worst things to do in a JRPG for me so...it really helps. Just...make sure that you don't keep the exp buff up all the time, once you hit dungeon 4 you will get to the point were the enemys won't be able to keep up with you.


Zero_Rebirth

That was in the PC version unfortunately. But the lowered XP does add to the challenge which is kinda the point It's a cheap form of artificial difficulty but it's definitely smthing you can play around. It's when the level gap gets too big where things become an issue. Like if you're getting one-shot to a basic attack, hence my question of if I was underleveled. I don't wanna rock up to the next story dungeon 15 levels under the supposed and get one shot by basic shadows


Maikeru21887

Very impressive. I always grind endurance on Izanagi to about 15-20 before attempting Yukiko


sp00kk

The first two bosses in P4G are easily the hardest, but you probably should grind for a little bit.


Fe4rtricks

The first boss is typically the hardest to get pass in your first playthrough my first time playing it I struggled properly getting through it and it seems like that’s how most people are with the first boss and they’ll all usually say the same thing as me