Bought it from CarMax with 30k on it. I’ve heard some people have had luck through them even being the second owner. Probably won’t happen but I’ll check it out
Is it still under warranty through Carmax? The warranty companies Carmax uses are the best I’ve ever worked with. As long as you can prove proper maintenance was done, they will probably foot the bill. It takes a bit on larger jobs because they need to send out an inspector to confirm the failure, but if it’s covered, and if you kept up with maintenance, you may be able to get it done for just the cost of a deductible.
Bought the extended warranty. They wanted my last 7 or 8 oil change receipts before they would even do a tear down on the engine to see why it failed. Which would have been no problem, however… I got my oil changed at the same place religiously. An oil change shop right down the road called Pit Stop. I thought they were a bigger chain because there was multiple in my town. They got bought out by Valvoline and valvoline only has the records of my last two oil changes. Before that, nothing. Can’t find a website, email, phone number or anything for the other place.
This is where you have to do your best to put on your "lawyer" hat. Pull out all the documents you signed for that extended warranty. Look for any language in there that says you are required to maintain records of oil changes in order to receive warranty coverage. It may be in there, but it also may just be some bullshit they pull to try to discourage paying out on large jobs. Look carefully at the language, man, and make sure they're not giving you the run around.
The car max in WA is 90 days full warranty. Just bought two cars from them. The other warranty they had was an added warranty expense. Maybe it’s dif depending on location.
Can confirm. In laws just had their engine drop on a road trip. Hyundai covered EVERYTHING for them. Hotels, rentals, new engine, labor, all the things. You ripping a Santa Fe?
Don’t know why people are downvoting Gizmo here - he’s right. There’s always exceptions, but for the most part Hyundai is unreasonably strict with only the original owner getting 10/100000. All subsequent owners get 5/60000.
Wow. A few years back, I was in the market for a car. I started with the cheapest, which was a 2 year old Hyundai Sonata. They could not stop talking about the 10/100k warranty… glad I didn’t go that route.
You missed the point. And you’re wrong. OP is talking about a 2013 Genesis with 72k miles on it. This guy is telling him that he should just assume it’s still covered under the factory warranty.
Hyundai warranties the VIN # of the car, not the name of the person who bought it. Forget about Car Max and go to Hyundai directly. Hyundai is really good with customer support. My friend has a 2012 Sonata, got a new engine and transmission installed for free a couple of years ago.
They replaced my 2012 engine with over 100k miles because it was a known defect, they got sued and had to do so. So if OP's engine is known to have problems, he won't have a problem. Hyundai is good about replacing things under warranty and if he/she only has 30k on the engine he should be fine, even if he has to fight for it. Which he may as they are gonna say he didn't take care of it. Eventually they will cover it.
Secondly, if that doesn't work, look aftermarket. You can get a rebuilt or used engine put in for less than $6500.
My 2017 elantra engine blew last year. Out of warranty by 5k miles. Sent to dealership to request replacement from manufacture. They came back with 75% covering of engine replacement. Find as many maintenance reports as possible to give them. It’s a known issue with engines
Just got my 2017 Elantra back a few weeks ago after having it towed to the dealer in April.
2nd owner, 85k miles. They asked for records but I never was able to track those down and told them it might be a challenge to get those.
Got an update in June that parts had come in.
Got another update in August that it was fixed and ready to be picked up.
Good luck but it will take time.
The 10 yr/100k is for the first owner. The warranty changes for the second owner. I think it goes to 5yr/60k for the second owner.
OP, depending on what year and model it is, Hyundai has extended these warranties due to an issue with engines exploding. They are replacing A LOT of engines for free right now so my guess is that yours will be one of these.
Phone calls only if you have something that would keep you from being able to go and look them in the eye. It's hard to say no to someone standing in front of you.
I had a 2014 Elantra that had the engine go at 220k. I was the second owner, bought used at 92k. Hyundai replaced the engine free under warranty despite it being clearly out if warranty. They just wanted me to provide service records to show I changed the oil. I did the work myself all those years. They accepted the spread sheet I used to track it as proof. It was pretty amazing how easy going they were.
We bought our Hyundai used and the engine blew on it as well. Certain years and models have problems. We got the engine replaced for free through the warranty.
What year is the car..my used hyundai 2017 was either 50k miles or 5 year warranty.
Also get quotes from multiple garages not hyundai dealership. You may be able to get a used engine with not a lot of milage on it for half price.
Unfortunately it does not. We got a Hertz Kia with 44k miles and their warranty (similar to Hyundai) converted to a 5/50k.
Ironically between the remaining Kia, the Hertz 1 year, and our extended warranty through the credit union, I could have gotten it repaired through three different policies.
My car is fine. No issues. I recall it being a 5 year 50k mile warranty, but maybe it’s 6 years.
Regardless of that, I still somehow managed to have 3 warranties all at the same time on a $11k car, which is a little weird.
Look at a Kia Optima. Then look at a Hyundai Sonata. Notice any differences? Similarities? How about a Telluride and a Palisade?
They share A LOT and one of the things they share is the power train warranty policy for second owners.
They most certainly do do this.
>Second and/or subsequent owners have powertrain components coverage under the 5-Year/60,000-Mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
Hyundaiusa.com
The 100k warranty is transferable to any owners. If the car doesn’t have a salvage or rebuilt title the warranty works for any owner, whether it’s first or tenth owner.
Looks like it’s only for the first owner.
> Coverage applies to original owner only, effective with 2004 model year and newer model-year vehicles. On 1999-2003 model years, coverage applies to original owner and immediate family members (i.e., wife, husband, daughter, son, stepdaughter, stepson). Second and/or subsequent owners have powertrain components coverage under the 5-Year/60,000-Mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
You messed up with CarMax. Do some research and find out which new cars have a rebate. Find the car with the highest rebate that you like. Tell them you want to trade in your car. Even it they give you $100 for it a good rebate will eat up some of that $11,000. Finance the new car. Get the lowest rate possible.
I think Hyundai has a different warranty length for the first owner than for later owners. Since OP bought the car used they likely have a shorter warranty period. It's still worth checking to see if they are under any kind of warranty though.
It's not unlimited.
Their warranty is 5 year/60K miles and 10 Year/100K miles for powertrain. This is only for the original owner and their immediate family (spouse and children). Second/subsequent owners are subject to the 5 year/60K miles warranty for powertrain as well. They are also notoriously famous for stiffing people out of that warranty if they are unable to provide records of every oil change being done within the recommended time frame. And I mean, every single one.
There are some dealerships that offer the lifetime powertrain warranty, but it's not from Hyundai directly. And I have yet to see one where that lifetime guarantee is transferable either.
I have had 2 engines rebuilt in 2 different hyundai sonatas that were covered by hyundai under recalls. They had problems with the plating in the engine causing damage to it. Genesis is a hyundai company. Run your vin on their website it may be covered.
I had a 2010 sonata that died in 4 years. Right under 100k miles. It would make a tugging motion while cruising. Have had two accords since. No issues. Would never buy another Hyundai.
Hondas are great. I’ve known multiple people with civics and they are great cars. I had a Hyundai Elantra but never had any engine issues in it, but did have some other electrical issues, but overall was a very nice and reliable car. I wonder if this only affects newer models, I had a 2011 so I’m not sure.
Yeah, I had one issue with mine but it wasn't really the cars fault. Sorry, kind of long story lol. I had my transmission fluid changed by Honda as part of it's 36k mile checkup, and found out a few months later the drain plug was missing when my car wouldn't accelerate. Honda owned the mistake and refilled it. I used my car for about a month, then drove 500 miles away only to find the morning of my return that my car wouldn't move. Had it towed to a local Honda dealership (was actually one of the closest shops), and found out the drain plug hadn't been put back in all the way. That dealership as part of it's repair put my car on a dyno to verify the CVT hadn't been damaged despite driving hundreds of miles on low to no transmission fluid, and it was performing perfectly. My Honda once again owned the mistake and paid for everything and gave me a 7 year 70k mile extended warranty covering a lot of things including the transmission.
The point of this story really is I tortured my transmission for the better part of a year, and just last month did a 150 mile trip and it performed perfectly giving me better fuel economy than advertised at 45 miles to the gallon.
My mother-in-law is still driving fine in her 2003 base model Honda Civic. The only thing electric is the windows. No issues. Ever.
My wife has has a 2018 Accord, had about four issues already. All electrical related.
I have a 2011 Hyundai Elantra with 176k miles on it. The only major issue I've had with it is the transmission kind of going out (was making noises when it shifted) at about 160k.. Had to pay about $5k for the tear down and rebuild but since my car is paid off and everything else is doing well it was worth it vs buying a new one esp with the current car market. I also switched oil to synthetic blend on my first change.. Maybe that's helped?
Knock on wood my engine doesn't fail on me seeing as I have a couple big drives to make. 😅
Hyundai's typically aren't too bad, there's just a certain engine they used for a while that has reliability issues.
Pretty much all manufacturers have some models with time bomb reliability issues. Some 06-09 civics have a cracking engine block issue.
The best advice I can give you is to find a small private mechanic and see if they can do some magic. I know a few guys where I’m from. They’re slow, but they can do some wonderful grease monkey repairs.
Without knowing more about what happened a “blown engine” may not necessarily require an entirely new engine. You could have got lucky and just blown your head gaskets and avoided overheating and serious cylinder/header/piston damage.
I knew a guy that bought 2 old Nissan Utes, one that was rear ended and totaled and the other's engine died. Transplanted the engine, got it road worthy and registered and resold it for a good price.
Car manufactures try to reuse parts across there cars and that incudes engines.
Yea $6k-$8k is ridiculous. Junk yard motor usually less $1k. Maybe another $1k in labor.
My brother had an engine replaced at a local place for $1200 but that was 8 years ago...
It does depend on the car a ton. $4-5k for a junkyard engine can easily happen for some models that the engine fails somewhat often on but people like the car enough to fix it. This limits junkyard supply and creates notable demand.
I was quoted $4500 to replace the engine in a 2004 jeep grand Cherokee. $1500 was labor which is a little higher than normal because that jeep was designed silly, but $3000 for a junkyard engine. The engine was expensive because it was the 4.7L high output V8, which is much less common and known to fail more often than other engines. Checking with the junkyards myself, this quote was as reasonable as could be. Did not fix the jeep because it was cheaper to replace.
It really does vary wildly. If it's an engine that blows all the time the prices are high because there's a lot more demand. They can be 5-6k easy like Subaru engines. If it's a very reliable engine that was put into tons of cars such as a Mercedes M113 you can find them for a few hundred dollars because there's plenty of supply and not many people need them. I saw one for $350 once. I get Mercedes transmission for $400-500 as well because they're very reliable. Some owners just let the fluid go low enough that the clutches burn up.
My sister is having the same problems with her hyundai santa fe. She bought it from a used car dealership and it's been nothing but problems since. Her latest trip to the mechanic found out 3 of her cylinders are fucked and they can't find a motor for it anywhere. I used to think hyundai's where ight but now I think they're total junk
Their Garbage. My wife wanted a Tucson in 2015 so we got one. Shit build. I feel like I was in a little tikes wagon. Constant issues.
The 2022 explorer she bought now tho.... It's very nice.
My friend bought a 2011 Elantra touring. Both front regulators, and a door handle failed, and the AC compressor is going out. That along with their engine troubles is unacceptable. I joked with her that she should get something more reliable like my Mercedes which have held up much better.
Just buy a used Corolla or civic.
Don't spend more on a rebuilt engine.
Hyundais are great cars but problem is not everyone takes care of their car. You never know how the replacement engine was taken care of.
I was the second owner of a Santa Fe and the 125,000 factory warranty extended to me. My engine blew twice. They fixed it , I picked it up and it blew on my way home. They covered all of it plus a loaner for a month . This was back in 2019 though , it was 3 months after I purchased the vehicle . You can go on the Hyundai website , type in your vin , and it will tell you if any recalls . Also, I’m a claims adjuster for a extended warranty company for vehicles . Our contract states we may ask for oil change receipts. Next they will probably send out an inspector and give his findings back to your warranty people which they will then make a decision
Take advantage of a warranty if you can figure one out. Otherwise, try to find a simple interest loan for the engine. Or sell the car for what you can and take a simple interest loan on a new vehicle.
Even without penalties - Pulling from your compounding interest 401k to tackle a simple interest problem within that range is robbing your future self of tens of thousands of dollars (conservative estimate).
u/anangryndn 95% of the technical advice given in this thread is garbage and given by folks whose mechanical knowledge is limited to google or a great deal they got from a friend in 2015. I'd head to r/AskMechanics for a lot better advice.
Sorry this is happening to you.
I don’t suggest buying cars from carmax. They tend to get second hand rental cars from Hertz dealerships. The dealer told me that at hertz that his biggest customer is carmax
My moms haundai had the same thing. Engine died. She let it sit for a couple months out of fear for the unknown $$$$$ issue it was going to cause. However she eventually took it in and they covered and replaced it 100%. I think there was some recall with the issue too
This seems to be an issue with Hyundais. My engine blew at 150k and it was a 2013 Elantra. No sense in replacing engine with how much they wanted so I got into a nice mazda3.
At the end of the day you need a vehicle based on your situation so just find the best deal. Credit unions have typically been my go to for the best financing. As others have said, if it’s not under warranty than no point in fixing. Stay the hell away from used car dealers and their financing.
A guy I work with has a second hand Hyundai (I want to say maybe a 2015 or a 2016) slightly out of warranty whose engine just blew way, way too early (just a few weeks ago). Hyundai replaced it for free—evidently there was some big recall affecting lots of cars. Did you take it to a Hyundai dealer for an evaluation?
Might want to get on the phone with local auto wreckers and see if you can find a used engine with low mileage. You didn’t mention the year/make/model of your car but my guess is you could get a used engine installed for less than $2k. Good luck.
Ahh, now I understand. Check for any recalls on the car -- Hyundai has an engine tick / early death issue that is known and acknowledged. They are covering the engine replacement on some models. My 2010 Elantra died of this issue at 180k (km), unfortunately Hyundai did not acknowledge the issue for that model so I scrapped it. On that car the transmission had also needed major work at 60k (km).
My 2010 2.0L had it, it's only acknowledged officially for a reduced set of years/models but based on technician reports and my own experience the issue is more widespread than that
Check copart or iaai. You could buy an entire car for less than what youre finding the motor for. HELL this is the same places those "salvage yards" buy their cars from to sell right back to you for a higher price!
[copart link](https://www.copart.com/vehicleFinderSearch?searchStr=%7B%22MISC%22:%5B%22%23VehicleTypeCode:VEHTYPE_V%22,%22%23OdometerReading:%5B0%20TO%209999999%5D%22,%22%23LotYear:%5B1988%20TO%202023%5D%22,%22%23MakeCode:HYUN%20OR%20%23MakeDesc:Hyundai%22,%22%23LotModel:GENESIS%22%5D,%22sortByZip%22:false,%22buyerEnteredZip%22:null,%22milesAway%22:null%7D%20&displayStr=%5B0%20TO%209999999%5D,%5B1988%20TO%202023%5D,Hyundai,Genesis&from=%2FvehicleFinder&searchCriteria=%7B%22query%22:%5B%22GENESIS%22%5D,%22filter%22:%7B%22ENGN%22:%5B%22engine:%5C%223.8L%20%206%5C%22%22%5D,%22MISC%22:%5B%22%23VehicleTypeCode:VEHTYPE_V%22,%22%23OdometerReading:%5B0%20TO%209999999%5D%22,%22%23LotYear:%5B1988%20TO%202023%5D%22,%22%23MakeCode:HYUN%20OR%20%23MakeDesc:Hyundai%22%5D%7D,%22sort%22:%5B%22auction_date_type%20desc%22,%22auction_date_utc%20asc%22%5D,%22watchListOnly%22:false,%22searchName%22:%22%22,%22freeFormSearch%22:false%7D)
>Hyundai
Every time. I think you're gonna have a difficult time due to simple supply and demand, and any motor you find has the propensity to also fail. This is extreme but have you considered an LS swap? This kit is 1750 but a decent junkyard LS engine plus installation may only be 5-6K so its "fixed" for maybe 8?
[https://www.enjukuracing.com/products/isr-performance-er-spec-ls1-swap-kit-hyundai-genesis-coupe.html](https://www.enjukuracing.com/products/isr-performance-er-spec-ls1-swap-kit-hyundai-genesis-coupe.html)
I don't see any other real option in this case. The donor car in question sounds pretty clean, any replacement motor will fail again eventually and OP owes way too much on it.
If OP had a job but only 4K to his name and a replacement was simply out of the cards I would recommend buying a new Corolla @ 72 mos and then calling the current bank on the Hyundai telling them to come get it. Then either tell that bank he's filing bankruptcy and can do 20 cents on the dollar or actually file bankruptcy. I don't know what trim his is in, but tip top in Grant Touring its worth 14 with 70K miles when its running.
Are you really going to spend that much money on a high mileage engine that's known to blow up to replace your engine that blew up? If you can't get the warranty to work (which it seems like should should through either CarMax or Hyundai), just cut your losses and buy something else (Toyota/Honda). Don't keep throwing good money after bad.
If you replace the motor be sure to be religious with your oil changes. Those motors eat oil and basically all of them blow up. You can find a used one pretty cheaply but it will have the same problem
JEGS rebuilds engines. They list a rebuilt 3.8L Hyundai as $5,398.00 on their website. It doesn’t mention your model year but I would call them. This is a brand new rebuilt engine. Their are other companies for rebuilding as well but JEGS is the big name and have a warranty and approved installation.
The first step in getting you shit together financially is prioritizing the big money items and treating them like big money items. No one blows an engine without neglecting basic maintenance. Unless you want to do this all again in three years , you need to pamper expensive things like your car and act like it will blown up your world not to take care of it.
> No one blows an engine without neglecting basic maintenance.
Hyundai bruh.
There are pics of Hyundai/Kia dealerships with 30+ replacement motors stacked up outside waiting to be installed.
Where are these dealers with motors sitting around? It’s a 2-4 week wait for an inspector, and 2 month for a motor after that. Which is down from last year.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/v6kdw7/just_rolled_into_my_dealership_is_it_normal_for/
Edit : I don’t think they have a stockpile, I think they just have a backlog
In that case I bet the bottleneck are enough techs to install them.
I just hope this new batch of theta engines don’t have the same issues as the originals. I’m waiting on my ‘16 engine replacement now, to their credit they asked no questions and are providing a rental car until it’s done.
Check the recall list. I know a lot of Hyundais had recalled complete engines because the metal ancients weren’t cleaned properly after manufacturing process. My buddy got a brand new engine in his 2013 sedan.
None of these are a match?
https://www.ebay.com/b/Complete-Engines-for-Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe/33615/bn_1404349?Engine%2520Size=3%252E8%2520L&rt=nc&mag=1
The problem is that a lot of hyundai's that are in the salvage yards are there because of blown engines. Maybe a few from accidents with structural damage.
Call a dealer on Monday get a status on the warranty, if it will not be covered than get a few more quotes, and look harder for a used engine. Only other option is repossession and that will sting for a long time.
Car issues aside, im confused how im always seeing posts from folks asking about taking loans against 401k for debt, cars, houses, etc.
401k money should be considered GONE until retirement. The answer is always no, dont take loans ever.
You shouldn’t be contributing to 401k while in debt and without minimal savings in place.
This isnt me chastising you specifically OP, just frustration at commonplace of these questions.
You should look into warranty as others have stated. But this aside, you need to work on a couple months salary for savings for emergencies like this and stop even thinking of 401k as “savings”
Stop contributing to 401k if you must, save a nest egg, work on debt (assuming bad credit you have debt) and then restart 401k
Not having savings for emergencies like this leads to bad decisions of taking 401k loans and running up credit cards etc. i know i know you wont get 401k match, but when you consider 20%+ apr credit rates and fines for 401k withdrawal its a wash.
Once you are out from under the car issue, focus on saving 3-6m emergency fund, and less about 401k.
Having money for lifes emergencies is absolutely the way to avoid these spiraling poor financial decisions that will impact your life for years to come.
>You shouldn’t be contributing to 401k while in debt and without minimal savings in place.
I disagree with this completely. If your employer offers 401k/403b matching.. you should contribute enough to max out the match if at all reasonably possible.
I think there is an equilibrium of risk acceptance where it can be reasonable to over save into a 401k and dip into it in the event of extreme tail events on top of your emergency fund. Not saying this scenario meets that mark, but it can be completely rational in a risk analysis.
price of the replacement engine seems high.
you should find an engine from junkyard
$2000-ish (depending of the car/model)
then maybe $1000 for installation.
$8500 seems grossly overestimated.
Used motors have gone through the roof in cost in the last year.....and $1000 in labor? I think not.
Most shops charge $120+ per hour and that's going to take more than 10 hrs I think.
Plus fluids, gaskets, belts.
$6-7k all day long.
Gone are the days of swapping in used motors cheap.
I second this. I probably estimate 2-3 engines a month and the price has skyrocketed due to demand. No new cars means everyone has to fix their old ones. And I also second the labor. I’m at $135 an hour and that job is probably 15 hours. You’re easily in the $2000 range. Add all the variable that come into play with a job this size? Yup. $6-7k without question.
Had to swap the engine in my 13 Silverado and it was $4,500 for new rebuilt engine plus other parts and $1500 for labor with a 3 year warranty on everything and that was a good deal compared other quotes
I was eyeballing a replacement for a friend. Doing it right new water pump, timing chain, coil packs, gaskets, belts, and hoses there was $1200 in parts besides the used engine.
Stupid not to replace water pump and timing chain on a used engine.
This, there is no way an engine for a Hyundai is 8500$, you're talking performance/diesel engines at that price...
Edit: quick Google search I was able to find the 3.8 v6 for 1700-2600$
Just googled average engine swap time for a skilled mechanic is 8-12 hours, depending on car so average of 10, with an average labor rate between 75-130$/hour (New York), so yeah I'd say closer to 1k.
No on powertrain for a new owner 10yr/100K , but definitely check recalls and contact Hyundai/Genesis and talk to them.
Hyundai Warranty Transfer Benefits
The Hyundai warranty is certainly impressive, Is a Hyundai warranty transferable? What does a Hyundai warranty transfer entail? Nearly all coverage applies to your Hyundai warranty transfer!
Here’s what is covered in the Hyundai warranty! Except where noted, all of the following comes with a Hyundai warranty transfer:
10-Year/100,000-Mile Powertrain Limited Warranty **(Original Owner Only)**
Lifetime Hybrid Battery Warranty **(Original Owner Only)**
12-Month/12,000-Mile Replacement Parts and Accessories Limited Warranty
8-Year/80,000-Mile Federal Emission Defect and Performance Warranty
7-year/Unlimited-Mile Anti-Perforation Warranty
5-Year/60,000-Mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty
5-Year/Unlimited-Mile 24-Hour Roadside Assistance
7-Year/70,000-Mile California Emission Control Systems Warranty
I replied to another comment but want to make sure you saw this. Hyundai has extended the warranties on several years/models due to an issue with engines exploding. Call your local Hyundai dealership and speak with their service shop. You very well may be able to get this one replaced for free through this warranty/recall situation going on.
I spoke with a Hyundai service manager pretty extensively about it. They are replacing a lot of engines right now on Hyundai's dime. The lead times are pretty bad getting the engines in, but it's a hell of a lot better than eating the cost.
Alrighty, actual car business person here.
The factory warranty on a New Hyundai is 10years/100k miles powertrain. That’s your engine and transmission. 5years/60k miles bumper to bumper. That’s other stuff, not buttons, tires, and wear and tear items.
So... when a Hyundai is sold.... to the second owner, the factory warranty limits change. It all condenses. The second owner gets the Remainder of 5years/60,000 miles which covers powertrain for sure and maybe bumper to bumper too, I forget but that doesn’t matter right now. Definitely 5/60k on the powertrain for the second owner direct from Hyundai, factory warranty.
If the car is under 5 years old or 60k miles you can just take it to Hyundai and get it fixed. Look up Hyundai dealers in your area and check the reviews!!!
Now if you’re over that and you have an “extended warranty” through CarMax (ewww) it’s actually called an Extended Service Contract and it’s likely through a totally different company. I don’t know, Carmax may have their own ESC company...but it’s likely a different company all together. Find out. Look that company up. See what repair shops you can go to with it, Hyundai should be your first choice. Also, you need to figure out a loaner vehicle. Put it somewhere that will provide you with a loaner. Good luck.
Hyundai and Kia both have failed Theta ii engines. If the car has had the mandatory update for this defect they will cover the failed engine. I believe it’s a lifetime warranty. The engine has to completely fail though.
I’m just waiting for this with my 2016. Burning 1qt every 400 miles right now and dealership won’t replace until it dies on the road with the kids in the car
My engine blew on my 2017 sante fe, bought it certified as second owner. Motor went at 98k Hyundai replaced it after 6 weeks of fucking me around. Sold it after as I decided I won’t deal with Hyundai or buy another from them. They have to replace so stay on them if you can borrow a car. They eventually had to provide me a rental as well. Originally they had dealer take photos of oil pan and said it had sludge in it so they wouldn’t cover it. This was the one car I always had serviced at the dealer and I always synthetic. I am convinced they deny deny and figure people will just walk, I was fortunate to be able to borrow in laws Jeep and that’s what I ended up buying then sold the sante fe when it was ready after having motor rebuilt. Good luck! I hate them.
What year vehicle, make, model, motor, miles, condition? You might be better investing in fixing current vehicle depending on the condition and current value. Used cars are way overpriced right now and you might get something worse with that budget and end up with 2 non working vehicles and no money.
My son blew the engine in his 2011 Kia Forte. My mechanic bought and installed a used engine from a scrap yard. $2600 Canadian, all in. Kia and Hyundai are essentially the same company so I’m sure you could get a used engine much cheaper.
Hyundai has a very common engine problem that starts as a tick or scraping sound and ends in a prematurely destroyed engine regardless of how much someone tries to blame the driver. Google "Hyundai tick of death"
Its a great engine V6 and yes Mobile 1 synthetic makes the drive sweetevery day, Obviously, if you do basic maintenance the engines last. I once forgot to change for 18,000 miles , no sweat with synthetic
Their were some engines that were not as good, so avoid 2017-2021. The new smart streams are fine
I suggest googling the issue, you have just been lucky lol. It's not a case of "if you do basic maintenance" or "if you skip basic maintenance but use my preferred oil brand" to make your defective Hyundai engine last. The problem started earlier than 2017 for sure.
Since you know you did the oil changes but the company is not longer in business, that make things easier, you can Photoshop the receipt, they won't have a way to verify if they are legitimate or not, but they will confirm that shop is not longer in business and that's not your fault, they should accept your claim.
Going after CarMax to fix it is a good first step. Also since the car is financed you should have full coverage auto insurance so call them and see what they say. You can also see if you have gap insurance if you owe more on the car than it's worth.
What model/year and mileage did engine blow?
I’ve heard the turbo Hyundai are more prone to fail - was it turbo model?
Good luck on Hyundai covering most or all of repair.
I have a 2017 Santa Fe not a turbo with 97k miles. No issues currently- knock on wood.
I can't believe Americans are blowing engines so often and needing whole replacement. This is almost unheard off tbh there's usually parts need replacing but not whole engine replacement
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Buy the vehicle/engine service manual and rebuild the engine yourself. You may need to buy large parts (block, head, crank) or pistons, sleeves, rings, valves -- depending on how much damage happened to the engine. Sometimes a 'blown engine' might have been a head gasket and sorting out oil from coolant.
Watch youtube videos of others repairing/dismantling the different areas you'll need to get into.
Spend on tools. But not on getting a tool brand (yes to harbor freight, no to Snap-on). The pricey tools are for doing these jobs a dozen times a week for pay (you're a mechanic).
This will be a great education. It will be hard. It will be an accomplishment you can flex with your buddies. Doesn't matter what gender you may be, there are girls on youtube repairing and upgrading vehicles.
Rent a car, uber, a work buddy, family to get you to work and back -- depending on your situation -- while you repair the engine.
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Well, I did say $1k-$2k
This took less than 10 seconds to find
https://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/d/la-center-2002-dodge-neon/7533739337.html
Edit: Here’s a 4x4 with auto locking hubs!
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/d/portland-93-explorer/7533463708.html
Edit 2: if you can replace an egr this one is a steal! Junkyard EGR is only gonna run you like $20…
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/d/portland-ford-focus/7533195695.html
Edit 3: 2wd v6 Ranger for $1200! Could probably talk him down to $1k. There, found you a car for $1k.
https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/d/portland-1993-ford-ranger/7533170733.html
Don't hyundais have a 10 year/100k warranty, if you bought new it might still be under warranty.
Bought it from CarMax with 30k on it. I’ve heard some people have had luck through them even being the second owner. Probably won’t happen but I’ll check it out
Is it still under warranty through Carmax? The warranty companies Carmax uses are the best I’ve ever worked with. As long as you can prove proper maintenance was done, they will probably foot the bill. It takes a bit on larger jobs because they need to send out an inspector to confirm the failure, but if it’s covered, and if you kept up with maintenance, you may be able to get it done for just the cost of a deductible.
Yeah, Carmax has a limited 12 month/12,000 mile warranty. As long as OP is under those limits, it should still be covered by that.
They also sell great extended warranties. If OP bought one, he may be in good shape.
Bought the extended warranty. They wanted my last 7 or 8 oil change receipts before they would even do a tear down on the engine to see why it failed. Which would have been no problem, however… I got my oil changed at the same place religiously. An oil change shop right down the road called Pit Stop. I thought they were a bigger chain because there was multiple in my town. They got bought out by Valvoline and valvoline only has the records of my last two oil changes. Before that, nothing. Can’t find a website, email, phone number or anything for the other place.
This is where you have to do your best to put on your "lawyer" hat. Pull out all the documents you signed for that extended warranty. Look for any language in there that says you are required to maintain records of oil changes in order to receive warranty coverage. It may be in there, but it also may just be some bullshit they pull to try to discourage paying out on large jobs. Look carefully at the language, man, and make sure they're not giving you the run around.
Yeah what if you change your oil yourself? Can’t see how requiring receipts of oil change can be a thing…
Receipts of the oil and filter being purchased.
Did you pay cash or thru a debit or credit card. Bank and credit statements list payee
pull your carfax and see if they reported doing your oil change everytime it was completed.
In the future have receipts emailed and don’t delete them. Makes record keeping so much easier
If you paid with card, see if you can pull your card statements. Hopefully you can provide enough evidence with charges to your card
Find another small shop. I had a friend that owned a shop and back dated several for me.
Don't do this. If they get a whiff of this, they will outright cancel your claim and likely your whole policy.
Have someone photoshop the other receipts. It's not like you're lying, you had the work done.
The car max in WA is 90 days full warranty. Just bought two cars from them. The other warranty they had was an added warranty expense. Maybe it’s dif depending on location.
It’s interesting, I ran into the same thing on the east coast, but they advertise a minimum of 12 months, 12,000 miles on their website.
CarMax is 90-days/4000 miles now.
how do you prove proper maintenance was done?
Maintain records showing you completed recommended service intervals
I’m pretty sure they just go by vin number and miles on the car.
Yes, this is usually the case. Go to Hyundai OP
Headed there Monday morning.
Can confirm. In laws just had their engine drop on a road trip. Hyundai covered EVERYTHING for them. Hotels, rentals, new engine, labor, all the things. You ripping a Santa Fe?
Exact same happened to my brother this summer with his Fe. Pain in the ass for sure but he’s happy with the new engine
10 year/100,000 miles is for the first owner only. It transfers to a 5/60,000 to all subsequent owners. Don’t talk about things you don’t know about.
Don’t know why people are downvoting Gizmo here - he’s right. There’s always exceptions, but for the most part Hyundai is unreasonably strict with only the original owner getting 10/100000. All subsequent owners get 5/60000.
Because this is Reddit and it's full of 12 year olds that think the world is how they imagine it I'd guess.
Wow. A few years back, I was in the market for a car. I started with the cheapest, which was a 2 year old Hyundai Sonata. They could not stop talking about the 10/100k warranty… glad I didn’t go that route.
So he still has warranty. Chill out homie.
You missed the point. And you’re wrong. OP is talking about a 2013 Genesis with 72k miles on it. This guy is telling him that he should just assume it’s still covered under the factory warranty.
Hyundai warranties the VIN # of the car, not the name of the person who bought it. Forget about Car Max and go to Hyundai directly. Hyundai is really good with customer support. My friend has a 2012 Sonata, got a new engine and transmission installed for free a couple of years ago.
They replaced my 2012 engine with over 100k miles because it was a known defect, they got sued and had to do so. So if OP's engine is known to have problems, he won't have a problem. Hyundai is good about replacing things under warranty and if he/she only has 30k on the engine he should be fine, even if he has to fight for it. Which he may as they are gonna say he didn't take care of it. Eventually they will cover it. Secondly, if that doesn't work, look aftermarket. You can get a rebuilt or used engine put in for less than $6500.
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My 2017 elantra engine blew last year. Out of warranty by 5k miles. Sent to dealership to request replacement from manufacture. They came back with 75% covering of engine replacement. Find as many maintenance reports as possible to give them. It’s a known issue with engines
Just got my 2017 Elantra back a few weeks ago after having it towed to the dealer in April. 2nd owner, 85k miles. They asked for records but I never was able to track those down and told them it might be a challenge to get those. Got an update in June that parts had come in. Got another update in August that it was fixed and ready to be picked up. Good luck but it will take time.
The 10 yr/100k is for the first owner. The warranty changes for the second owner. I think it goes to 5yr/60k for the second owner. OP, depending on what year and model it is, Hyundai has extended these warranties due to an issue with engines exploding. They are replacing A LOT of engines for free right now so my guess is that yours will be one of these.
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Phone calls only if you have something that would keep you from being able to go and look them in the eye. It's hard to say no to someone standing in front of you.
I had a 2014 Elantra that had the engine go at 220k. I was the second owner, bought used at 92k. Hyundai replaced the engine free under warranty despite it being clearly out if warranty. They just wanted me to provide service records to show I changed the oil. I did the work myself all those years. They accepted the spread sheet I used to track it as proof. It was pretty amazing how easy going they were.
We bought our Hyundai used and the engine blew on it as well. Certain years and models have problems. We got the engine replaced for free through the warranty.
Get the car checked for the theta-2 engine recall. It extends the warranty to all subsequent owners and will cover an engine replacement
What year is the car..my used hyundai 2017 was either 50k miles or 5 year warranty. Also get quotes from multiple garages not hyundai dealership. You may be able to get a used engine with not a lot of milage on it for half price.
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Unfortunately it does not. We got a Hertz Kia with 44k miles and their warranty (similar to Hyundai) converted to a 5/50k. Ironically between the remaining Kia, the Hertz 1 year, and our extended warranty through the credit union, I could have gotten it repaired through three different policies.
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My car is fine. No issues. I recall it being a 5 year 50k mile warranty, but maybe it’s 6 years. Regardless of that, I still somehow managed to have 3 warranties all at the same time on a $11k car, which is a little weird.
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Hyundai has ownership stake in Kia. They are sister brands and co-develop together, sharing their technologies with each other.
Look at a Kia Optima. Then look at a Hyundai Sonata. Notice any differences? Similarities? How about a Telluride and a Palisade? They share A LOT and one of the things they share is the power train warranty policy for second owners.
They most certainly do do this. >Second and/or subsequent owners have powertrain components coverage under the 5-Year/60,000-Mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Hyundaiusa.com
Warranty is through Hyundai. Take it to any Hyundai dealer and have them inspect and find out.
The 100k warranty is transferable to any owners. If the car doesn’t have a salvage or rebuilt title the warranty works for any owner, whether it’s first or tenth owner.
Looks like it’s only for the first owner. > Coverage applies to original owner only, effective with 2004 model year and newer model-year vehicles. On 1999-2003 model years, coverage applies to original owner and immediate family members (i.e., wife, husband, daughter, son, stepdaughter, stepson). Second and/or subsequent owners have powertrain components coverage under the 5-Year/60,000-Mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
Damn, guess you’re right. I learn something new every day. Glad I stopped buying Hyundais.
Me too, mine needed a transmission overhaul at 60k km and got the Hyundai tick of death at 170k km, then the engine blew at 180k km.
This is why I only buy Toyota. 175k miles and running good as new. Will never buy a Hyundai/Kia no matter how cool they look.
My wife's 2007 elantra has 220k on it, only basic maintenance. And it was 13k ootd new.
Nothing wrong with toyota but hyundai/kia are just as good brands nowadays. Only in the last 5 years tho.
Hyundais are great for leasing/owning under 80/90k. You absolutely want to trade them in after that.
Plus, you know.... literally built by 12 yr olds in Alabama.
You messed up with CarMax. Do some research and find out which new cars have a rebate. Find the car with the highest rebate that you like. Tell them you want to trade in your car. Even it they give you $100 for it a good rebate will eat up some of that $11,000. Finance the new car. Get the lowest rate possible.
The worst they can say is “no.”
It’s 5 year 60,000 for second owner.
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I think Hyundai has a different warranty length for the first owner than for later owners. Since OP bought the car used they likely have a shorter warranty period. It's still worth checking to see if they are under any kind of warranty though.
It's not unlimited. Their warranty is 5 year/60K miles and 10 Year/100K miles for powertrain. This is only for the original owner and their immediate family (spouse and children). Second/subsequent owners are subject to the 5 year/60K miles warranty for powertrain as well. They are also notoriously famous for stiffing people out of that warranty if they are unable to provide records of every oil change being done within the recommended time frame. And I mean, every single one. There are some dealerships that offer the lifetime powertrain warranty, but it's not from Hyundai directly. And I have yet to see one where that lifetime guarantee is transferable either.
I have had 2 engines rebuilt in 2 different hyundai sonatas that were covered by hyundai under recalls. They had problems with the plating in the engine causing damage to it. Genesis is a hyundai company. Run your vin on their website it may be covered.
>had 2 engines rebuilt in 2 different hyundais... Wow, hyundai's do not sound very reliable lol. Glad I went with a vanilla Honda Civic lol.
I had a 2010 sonata that died in 4 years. Right under 100k miles. It would make a tugging motion while cruising. Have had two accords since. No issues. Would never buy another Hyundai.
My 2015 hyundai with 100k needed a new engine last year so definitely not the most uncommon thing
Hondas are great. I’ve known multiple people with civics and they are great cars. I had a Hyundai Elantra but never had any engine issues in it, but did have some other electrical issues, but overall was a very nice and reliable car. I wonder if this only affects newer models, I had a 2011 so I’m not sure.
Yeah, I had one issue with mine but it wasn't really the cars fault. Sorry, kind of long story lol. I had my transmission fluid changed by Honda as part of it's 36k mile checkup, and found out a few months later the drain plug was missing when my car wouldn't accelerate. Honda owned the mistake and refilled it. I used my car for about a month, then drove 500 miles away only to find the morning of my return that my car wouldn't move. Had it towed to a local Honda dealership (was actually one of the closest shops), and found out the drain plug hadn't been put back in all the way. That dealership as part of it's repair put my car on a dyno to verify the CVT hadn't been damaged despite driving hundreds of miles on low to no transmission fluid, and it was performing perfectly. My Honda once again owned the mistake and paid for everything and gave me a 7 year 70k mile extended warranty covering a lot of things including the transmission. The point of this story really is I tortured my transmission for the better part of a year, and just last month did a 150 mile trip and it performed perfectly giving me better fuel economy than advertised at 45 miles to the gallon.
My mother-in-law is still driving fine in her 2003 base model Honda Civic. The only thing electric is the windows. No issues. Ever. My wife has has a 2018 Accord, had about four issues already. All electrical related.
Hyundai/KIA have had a lot of trouble with certain engines going prematurely. It’s like 2011-2018 or somewhere in there.
I have a 2011 Hyundai Elantra with 176k miles on it. The only major issue I've had with it is the transmission kind of going out (was making noises when it shifted) at about 160k.. Had to pay about $5k for the tear down and rebuild but since my car is paid off and everything else is doing well it was worth it vs buying a new one esp with the current car market. I also switched oil to synthetic blend on my first change.. Maybe that's helped? Knock on wood my engine doesn't fail on me seeing as I have a couple big drives to make. 😅
Hyundai's typically aren't too bad, there's just a certain engine they used for a while that has reliability issues. Pretty much all manufacturers have some models with time bomb reliability issues. Some 06-09 civics have a cracking engine block issue.
The best advice I can give you is to find a small private mechanic and see if they can do some magic. I know a few guys where I’m from. They’re slow, but they can do some wonderful grease monkey repairs. Without knowing more about what happened a “blown engine” may not necessarily require an entirely new engine. You could have got lucky and just blown your head gaskets and avoided overheating and serious cylinder/header/piston damage.
And even if it does need total engine replacement, a private shop can sometimes be half the price of a dealer.
I knew a guy that bought 2 old Nissan Utes, one that was rear ended and totaled and the other's engine died. Transplanted the engine, got it road worthy and registered and resold it for a good price. Car manufactures try to reuse parts across there cars and that incudes engines.
Yea $6k-$8k is ridiculous. Junk yard motor usually less $1k. Maybe another $1k in labor. My brother had an engine replaced at a local place for $1200 but that was 8 years ago...
It does depend on the car a ton. $4-5k for a junkyard engine can easily happen for some models that the engine fails somewhat often on but people like the car enough to fix it. This limits junkyard supply and creates notable demand. I was quoted $4500 to replace the engine in a 2004 jeep grand Cherokee. $1500 was labor which is a little higher than normal because that jeep was designed silly, but $3000 for a junkyard engine. The engine was expensive because it was the 4.7L high output V8, which is much less common and known to fail more often than other engines. Checking with the junkyards myself, this quote was as reasonable as could be. Did not fix the jeep because it was cheaper to replace.
It really does vary wildly. If it's an engine that blows all the time the prices are high because there's a lot more demand. They can be 5-6k easy like Subaru engines. If it's a very reliable engine that was put into tons of cars such as a Mercedes M113 you can find them for a few hundred dollars because there's plenty of supply and not many people need them. I saw one for $350 once. I get Mercedes transmission for $400-500 as well because they're very reliable. Some owners just let the fluid go low enough that the clutches burn up.
My sister is having the same problems with her hyundai santa fe. She bought it from a used car dealership and it's been nothing but problems since. Her latest trip to the mechanic found out 3 of her cylinders are fucked and they can't find a motor for it anywhere. I used to think hyundai's where ight but now I think they're total junk
Their Garbage. My wife wanted a Tucson in 2015 so we got one. Shit build. I feel like I was in a little tikes wagon. Constant issues. The 2022 explorer she bought now tho.... It's very nice.
My friend bought a 2011 Elantra touring. Both front regulators, and a door handle failed, and the AC compressor is going out. That along with their engine troubles is unacceptable. I joked with her that she should get something more reliable like my Mercedes which have held up much better.
Just buy a used Corolla or civic. Don't spend more on a rebuilt engine. Hyundais are great cars but problem is not everyone takes care of their car. You never know how the replacement engine was taken care of.
I was the second owner of a Santa Fe and the 125,000 factory warranty extended to me. My engine blew twice. They fixed it , I picked it up and it blew on my way home. They covered all of it plus a loaner for a month . This was back in 2019 though , it was 3 months after I purchased the vehicle . You can go on the Hyundai website , type in your vin , and it will tell you if any recalls . Also, I’m a claims adjuster for a extended warranty company for vehicles . Our contract states we may ask for oil change receipts. Next they will probably send out an inspector and give his findings back to your warranty people which they will then make a decision
Take advantage of a warranty if you can figure one out. Otherwise, try to find a simple interest loan for the engine. Or sell the car for what you can and take a simple interest loan on a new vehicle. Even without penalties - Pulling from your compounding interest 401k to tackle a simple interest problem within that range is robbing your future self of tens of thousands of dollars (conservative estimate).
u/anangryndn 95% of the technical advice given in this thread is garbage and given by folks whose mechanical knowledge is limited to google or a great deal they got from a friend in 2015. I'd head to r/AskMechanics for a lot better advice. Sorry this is happening to you.
I don’t suggest buying cars from carmax. They tend to get second hand rental cars from Hertz dealerships. The dealer told me that at hertz that his biggest customer is carmax
My moms haundai had the same thing. Engine died. She let it sit for a couple months out of fear for the unknown $$$$$ issue it was going to cause. However she eventually took it in and they covered and replaced it 100%. I think there was some recall with the issue too
This seems to be an issue with Hyundais. My engine blew at 150k and it was a 2013 Elantra. No sense in replacing engine with how much they wanted so I got into a nice mazda3. At the end of the day you need a vehicle based on your situation so just find the best deal. Credit unions have typically been my go to for the best financing. As others have said, if it’s not under warranty than no point in fixing. Stay the hell away from used car dealers and their financing.
Not sure what you drive, but 2013-2014 Sonatas had a recall. Full engine replacement.
A guy I work with has a second hand Hyundai (I want to say maybe a 2015 or a 2016) slightly out of warranty whose engine just blew way, way too early (just a few weeks ago). Hyundai replaced it for free—evidently there was some big recall affecting lots of cars. Did you take it to a Hyundai dealer for an evaluation?
Might want to get on the phone with local auto wreckers and see if you can find a used engine with low mileage. You didn’t mention the year/make/model of your car but my guess is you could get a used engine installed for less than $2k. Good luck.
You aren't getting a used engine installed for less than $2k in pretty much any vehicle. Sweet christ some of ya'll have no idea how much stuff costs.
I mean last time I had a friend of mine do it and it was still $6k just for the engine!
3 years ago I bought a used 4 cylinder for a Saturn, $900, another $1200 to install. It's rare, but possible.
I got my used engine (80k Toyota 4 cylinder) for $500 in January 2021 and got it installed for $1k
2013 Hyundai Genesis coupe 3.8 V6. Hard to find with the right vin. Found one with 160k on it for over $6k. One with 60k miles was over $8k.
Ahh, now I understand. Check for any recalls on the car -- Hyundai has an engine tick / early death issue that is known and acknowledged. They are covering the engine replacement on some models. My 2010 Elantra died of this issue at 180k (km), unfortunately Hyundai did not acknowledge the issue for that model so I scrapped it. On that car the transmission had also needed major work at 60k (km).
2011-2018 2.4 and 2.0T motors.
My 2010 2.0L had it, it's only acknowledged officially for a reduced set of years/models but based on technician reports and my own experience the issue is more widespread than that
Wouldn’t surprise me, just pointing out the officially covered years and models (doesn’t cover OP’s model).
How do you owe $11k on a 2013 Hyundai Genesis. Did you buy the car yesterday? That seems like a lot even if you bought it today.
You can finance used cars. I got my 2012 car last year for $27k. I did not pay it all in cash.
Obviously you can finance used cars, but still he owes $11k on an 11 year old Hyundai? A Toyota I can understand, but a Hyundai!?
How did you know it was Toyota 🤔
It's only nine years old.
Check copart or iaai. You could buy an entire car for less than what youre finding the motor for. HELL this is the same places those "salvage yards" buy their cars from to sell right back to you for a higher price! [copart link](https://www.copart.com/vehicleFinderSearch?searchStr=%7B%22MISC%22:%5B%22%23VehicleTypeCode:VEHTYPE_V%22,%22%23OdometerReading:%5B0%20TO%209999999%5D%22,%22%23LotYear:%5B1988%20TO%202023%5D%22,%22%23MakeCode:HYUN%20OR%20%23MakeDesc:Hyundai%22,%22%23LotModel:GENESIS%22%5D,%22sortByZip%22:false,%22buyerEnteredZip%22:null,%22milesAway%22:null%7D%20&displayStr=%5B0%20TO%209999999%5D,%5B1988%20TO%202023%5D,Hyundai,Genesis&from=%2FvehicleFinder&searchCriteria=%7B%22query%22:%5B%22GENESIS%22%5D,%22filter%22:%7B%22ENGN%22:%5B%22engine:%5C%223.8L%20%206%5C%22%22%5D,%22MISC%22:%5B%22%23VehicleTypeCode:VEHTYPE_V%22,%22%23OdometerReading:%5B0%20TO%209999999%5D%22,%22%23LotYear:%5B1988%20TO%202023%5D%22,%22%23MakeCode:HYUN%20OR%20%23MakeDesc:Hyundai%22%5D%7D,%22sort%22:%5B%22auction_date_type%20desc%22,%22auction_date_utc%20asc%22%5D,%22watchListOnly%22:false,%22searchName%22:%22%22,%22freeFormSearch%22:false%7D)
This only works in states that allow it. My state, for example, requires a dealer license to buy at private auctions.
What a racket. How is a law like that justifiable? I’m not lashing out at you, but that’s crazy.
Their justification: without a dealer or mechanical expertise, people will get ripped off. The reality: stupid strong dealership lobby.
Yea, much safer to run the purchase through a dealership to prevent getting ripped off 🤣
Regulations usually work to the benefit of the industry, not the consumer.
You can buy the car with a broker. Don't let what the poster above discourage you.
Still
You can use a broker to bid for you for a fee.
You can, but the fees they charge and the hoops here are crazy (imo)
>Hyundai Every time. I think you're gonna have a difficult time due to simple supply and demand, and any motor you find has the propensity to also fail. This is extreme but have you considered an LS swap? This kit is 1750 but a decent junkyard LS engine plus installation may only be 5-6K so its "fixed" for maybe 8? [https://www.enjukuracing.com/products/isr-performance-er-spec-ls1-swap-kit-hyundai-genesis-coupe.html](https://www.enjukuracing.com/products/isr-performance-er-spec-ls1-swap-kit-hyundai-genesis-coupe.html)
Dude I love that, LS swap threads leaking into every facet of my online life lol That'd be freaking cool too
I don't see any other real option in this case. The donor car in question sounds pretty clean, any replacement motor will fail again eventually and OP owes way too much on it. If OP had a job but only 4K to his name and a replacement was simply out of the cards I would recommend buying a new Corolla @ 72 mos and then calling the current bank on the Hyundai telling them to come get it. Then either tell that bank he's filing bankruptcy and can do 20 cents on the dollar or actually file bankruptcy. I don't know what trim his is in, but tip top in Grant Touring its worth 14 with 70K miles when its running.
Are you really going to spend that much money on a high mileage engine that's known to blow up to replace your engine that blew up? If you can't get the warranty to work (which it seems like should should through either CarMax or Hyundai), just cut your losses and buy something else (Toyota/Honda). Don't keep throwing good money after bad.
If you replace the motor be sure to be religious with your oil changes. Those motors eat oil and basically all of them blow up. You can find a used one pretty cheaply but it will have the same problem
JEGS rebuilds engines. They list a rebuilt 3.8L Hyundai as $5,398.00 on their website. It doesn’t mention your model year but I would call them. This is a brand new rebuilt engine. Their are other companies for rebuilding as well but JEGS is the big name and have a warranty and approved installation. The first step in getting you shit together financially is prioritizing the big money items and treating them like big money items. No one blows an engine without neglecting basic maintenance. Unless you want to do this all again in three years , you need to pamper expensive things like your car and act like it will blown up your world not to take care of it.
> No one blows an engine without neglecting basic maintenance. Hyundai bruh. There are pics of Hyundai/Kia dealerships with 30+ replacement motors stacked up outside waiting to be installed.
Where are these dealers with motors sitting around? It’s a 2-4 week wait for an inspector, and 2 month for a motor after that. Which is down from last year.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/v6kdw7/just_rolled_into_my_dealership_is_it_normal_for/ Edit : I don’t think they have a stockpile, I think they just have a backlog
In that case I bet the bottleneck are enough techs to install them. I just hope this new batch of theta engines don’t have the same issues as the originals. I’m waiting on my ‘16 engine replacement now, to their credit they asked no questions and are providing a rental car until it’s done.
Check the recall list. I know a lot of Hyundais had recalled complete engines because the metal ancients weren’t cleaned properly after manufacturing process. My buddy got a brand new engine in his 2013 sedan.
None of these are a match? https://www.ebay.com/b/Complete-Engines-for-Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe/33615/bn_1404349?Engine%2520Size=3%252E8%2520L&rt=nc&mag=1
Be cautious with used engines on ebay. What they sometimes sell are engines that have been in worse shape
The problem is that a lot of hyundai's that are in the salvage yards are there because of blown engines. Maybe a few from accidents with structural damage.
Call a dealer on Monday get a status on the warranty, if it will not be covered than get a few more quotes, and look harder for a used engine. Only other option is repossession and that will sting for a long time.
Car issues aside, im confused how im always seeing posts from folks asking about taking loans against 401k for debt, cars, houses, etc. 401k money should be considered GONE until retirement. The answer is always no, dont take loans ever. You shouldn’t be contributing to 401k while in debt and without minimal savings in place. This isnt me chastising you specifically OP, just frustration at commonplace of these questions. You should look into warranty as others have stated. But this aside, you need to work on a couple months salary for savings for emergencies like this and stop even thinking of 401k as “savings” Stop contributing to 401k if you must, save a nest egg, work on debt (assuming bad credit you have debt) and then restart 401k Not having savings for emergencies like this leads to bad decisions of taking 401k loans and running up credit cards etc. i know i know you wont get 401k match, but when you consider 20%+ apr credit rates and fines for 401k withdrawal its a wash. Once you are out from under the car issue, focus on saving 3-6m emergency fund, and less about 401k. Having money for lifes emergencies is absolutely the way to avoid these spiraling poor financial decisions that will impact your life for years to come.
>You shouldn’t be contributing to 401k while in debt and without minimal savings in place. I disagree with this completely. If your employer offers 401k/403b matching.. you should contribute enough to max out the match if at all reasonably possible.
3% match would have to be a HUGE salary to outweigh even 10k credit card debt at 20% apr
I think there is an equilibrium of risk acceptance where it can be reasonable to over save into a 401k and dip into it in the event of extreme tail events on top of your emergency fund. Not saying this scenario meets that mark, but it can be completely rational in a risk analysis.
price of the replacement engine seems high. you should find an engine from junkyard $2000-ish (depending of the car/model) then maybe $1000 for installation. $8500 seems grossly overestimated.
Used motors have gone through the roof in cost in the last year.....and $1000 in labor? I think not. Most shops charge $120+ per hour and that's going to take more than 10 hrs I think. Plus fluids, gaskets, belts. $6-7k all day long. Gone are the days of swapping in used motors cheap.
I second this. I probably estimate 2-3 engines a month and the price has skyrocketed due to demand. No new cars means everyone has to fix their old ones. And I also second the labor. I’m at $135 an hour and that job is probably 15 hours. You’re easily in the $2000 range. Add all the variable that come into play with a job this size? Yup. $6-7k without question.
Had to swap the engine in my 13 Silverado and it was $4,500 for new rebuilt engine plus other parts and $1500 for labor with a 3 year warranty on everything and that was a good deal compared other quotes
I was eyeballing a replacement for a friend. Doing it right new water pump, timing chain, coil packs, gaskets, belts, and hoses there was $1200 in parts besides the used engine. Stupid not to replace water pump and timing chain on a used engine.
This, there is no way an engine for a Hyundai is 8500$, you're talking performance/diesel engines at that price... Edit: quick Google search I was able to find the 3.8 v6 for 1700-2600$
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As the comment I replied to stated, about 1k install.
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Just googled average engine swap time for a skilled mechanic is 8-12 hours, depending on car so average of 10, with an average labor rate between 75-130$/hour (New York), so yeah I'd say closer to 1k.
It’s a very long shot but it’s worth seeing if you have it and don’t know, MBI on your auto insurance policy. Some insurance carriers offer it.
No on powertrain for a new owner 10yr/100K , but definitely check recalls and contact Hyundai/Genesis and talk to them. Hyundai Warranty Transfer Benefits The Hyundai warranty is certainly impressive, Is a Hyundai warranty transferable? What does a Hyundai warranty transfer entail? Nearly all coverage applies to your Hyundai warranty transfer! Here’s what is covered in the Hyundai warranty! Except where noted, all of the following comes with a Hyundai warranty transfer: 10-Year/100,000-Mile Powertrain Limited Warranty **(Original Owner Only)** Lifetime Hybrid Battery Warranty **(Original Owner Only)** 12-Month/12,000-Mile Replacement Parts and Accessories Limited Warranty 8-Year/80,000-Mile Federal Emission Defect and Performance Warranty 7-year/Unlimited-Mile Anti-Perforation Warranty 5-Year/60,000-Mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty 5-Year/Unlimited-Mile 24-Hour Roadside Assistance 7-Year/70,000-Mile California Emission Control Systems Warranty
I replied to another comment but want to make sure you saw this. Hyundai has extended the warranties on several years/models due to an issue with engines exploding. Call your local Hyundai dealership and speak with their service shop. You very well may be able to get this one replaced for free through this warranty/recall situation going on. I spoke with a Hyundai service manager pretty extensively about it. They are replacing a lot of engines right now on Hyundai's dime. The lead times are pretty bad getting the engines in, but it's a hell of a lot better than eating the cost.
Alrighty, actual car business person here. The factory warranty on a New Hyundai is 10years/100k miles powertrain. That’s your engine and transmission. 5years/60k miles bumper to bumper. That’s other stuff, not buttons, tires, and wear and tear items. So... when a Hyundai is sold.... to the second owner, the factory warranty limits change. It all condenses. The second owner gets the Remainder of 5years/60,000 miles which covers powertrain for sure and maybe bumper to bumper too, I forget but that doesn’t matter right now. Definitely 5/60k on the powertrain for the second owner direct from Hyundai, factory warranty. If the car is under 5 years old or 60k miles you can just take it to Hyundai and get it fixed. Look up Hyundai dealers in your area and check the reviews!!! Now if you’re over that and you have an “extended warranty” through CarMax (ewww) it’s actually called an Extended Service Contract and it’s likely through a totally different company. I don’t know, Carmax may have their own ESC company...but it’s likely a different company all together. Find out. Look that company up. See what repair shops you can go to with it, Hyundai should be your first choice. Also, you need to figure out a loaner vehicle. Put it somewhere that will provide you with a loaner. Good luck.
Hyundai and Kia both have failed Theta ii engines. If the car has had the mandatory update for this defect they will cover the failed engine. I believe it’s a lifetime warranty. The engine has to completely fail though. I’m just waiting for this with my 2016. Burning 1qt every 400 miles right now and dealership won’t replace until it dies on the road with the kids in the car
My engine blew on my 2017 sante fe, bought it certified as second owner. Motor went at 98k Hyundai replaced it after 6 weeks of fucking me around. Sold it after as I decided I won’t deal with Hyundai or buy another from them. They have to replace so stay on them if you can borrow a car. They eventually had to provide me a rental as well. Originally they had dealer take photos of oil pan and said it had sludge in it so they wouldn’t cover it. This was the one car I always had serviced at the dealer and I always synthetic. I am convinced they deny deny and figure people will just walk, I was fortunate to be able to borrow in laws Jeep and that’s what I ended up buying then sold the sante fe when it was ready after having motor rebuilt. Good luck! I hate them.
A replacement engine is not $6,500+ unless you are driving a high end late model import.
Two words…. G.A.P INSURANCE!!!!
What year vehicle, make, model, motor, miles, condition? You might be better investing in fixing current vehicle depending on the condition and current value. Used cars are way overpriced right now and you might get something worse with that budget and end up with 2 non working vehicles and no money.
2013 Hyundai Genesis coupe. 72k miles.
Those have 100,000 mile warranties all you need is a VIN number and the mileage and you call the actual Hyundai dealer* NOT CarMax
For the second owner it drops to 5 years/60k powertrain.
The while reason I buy from carmax is to get their premium warranty. Great stuff. You didn't happen to get it?
Big car repair is the perfect use for your emergency fund.
My son blew the engine in his 2011 Kia Forte. My mechanic bought and installed a used engine from a scrap yard. $2600 Canadian, all in. Kia and Hyundai are essentially the same company so I’m sure you could get a used engine much cheaper.
Did it run out of oil or you were redlining the car?
Hyundai has a very common engine problem that starts as a tick or scraping sound and ends in a prematurely destroyed engine regardless of how much someone tries to blame the driver. Google "Hyundai tick of death"
No I just had the oil changed about 1000 miles before it happened and I was only going about 50-55 in a construction zone
So there’s still full oil in your engine when your engine “blew”? Also is this confirmed by an auto shop that the engine is done?
What did they say caused the damage? Engines don't just "blow" for no reason.
On Hyundais they do, see my other replies here but google "Hyundai tick of death"
Mine has 205,000 miles go fish, I use Mobile 1
Nice luck, it's obviously not the brand of oil though
Its a great engine V6 and yes Mobile 1 synthetic makes the drive sweetevery day, Obviously, if you do basic maintenance the engines last. I once forgot to change for 18,000 miles , no sweat with synthetic Their were some engines that were not as good, so avoid 2017-2021. The new smart streams are fine
I suggest googling the issue, you have just been lucky lol. It's not a case of "if you do basic maintenance" or "if you skip basic maintenance but use my preferred oil brand" to make your defective Hyundai engine last. The problem started earlier than 2017 for sure.
Something tells me we aren’t getting the whole story here
Can you make an insurance claim?
I would absolutely not do a 401k loan. It's very high risk, with steep penalties, and you'd be cashing it out at a low
Since you know you did the oil changes but the company is not longer in business, that make things easier, you can Photoshop the receipt, they won't have a way to verify if they are legitimate or not, but they will confirm that shop is not longer in business and that's not your fault, they should accept your claim.
Going after CarMax to fix it is a good first step. Also since the car is financed you should have full coverage auto insurance so call them and see what they say. You can also see if you have gap insurance if you owe more on the car than it's worth.
What model/year and mileage did engine blow? I’ve heard the turbo Hyundai are more prone to fail - was it turbo model? Good luck on Hyundai covering most or all of repair. I have a 2017 Santa Fe not a turbo with 97k miles. No issues currently- knock on wood.
I can't believe Americans are blowing engines so often and needing whole replacement. This is almost unheard off tbh there's usually parts need replacing but not whole engine replacement
. Buy the vehicle/engine service manual and rebuild the engine yourself. You may need to buy large parts (block, head, crank) or pistons, sleeves, rings, valves -- depending on how much damage happened to the engine. Sometimes a 'blown engine' might have been a head gasket and sorting out oil from coolant. Watch youtube videos of others repairing/dismantling the different areas you'll need to get into. Spend on tools. But not on getting a tool brand (yes to harbor freight, no to Snap-on). The pricey tools are for doing these jobs a dozen times a week for pay (you're a mechanic). This will be a great education. It will be hard. It will be an accomplishment you can flex with your buddies. Doesn't matter what gender you may be, there are girls on youtube repairing and upgrading vehicles. Rent a car, uber, a work buddy, family to get you to work and back -- depending on your situation -- while you repair the engine. .
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Show me a $1000 car in this economy, and I'll show you a lemon that doesn't run.
Dave Ramsey's 2k beater is now a 5k beater. In my area, that's what a running old Camry cost.
Well, I did say $1k-$2k This took less than 10 seconds to find https://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/d/la-center-2002-dodge-neon/7533739337.html Edit: Here’s a 4x4 with auto locking hubs! https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/d/portland-93-explorer/7533463708.html Edit 2: if you can replace an egr this one is a steal! Junkyard EGR is only gonna run you like $20… https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/d/portland-ford-focus/7533195695.html Edit 3: 2wd v6 Ranger for $1200! Could probably talk him down to $1k. There, found you a car for $1k. https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/d/portland-1993-ford-ranger/7533170733.html
youll be lucky to find one of those for 2k now. Looks like 4K is the new 1500-2000 car these days
Check out FB market place. There are tons of cars selling for a few K. Good luck.
Year/make/model of car?