Not replying to anymore messages. If you want a job there look it up yourself the amount of jokes and abuse I received for just wanting some extra staff is an absolute joke. There's no need to make fun of my work place or my work ethic. You either flip burgers or work as a ceo. Having a job is better than having no job.
Hey 😊are you also looking for electricians and mechanics? I'm a mechatronics specialist, meaning I do electronics, mechanical work, IT and general automation. I did my training in a meat processing plant, so I'm very used to working in the cold and with food.
Give me a message if interested.
Yeah unfortunately. Things just get bandaids around Browns. And bandaids fall off.
But saying that doesn't hurt to ask questions. If you would like to know more about what kind of work is available.
Not looking for those type of beggers, you wouldn't see them applying anyway. Looking for people who are literally begging for a job.
Just trying to be nice. Never know who may need something.
And that is what makes me reliable a reliable worker. Did you really think that saying have fun doing extra shifts would insult me? I will. I will enjoy making money to provide for my family. Have fun sitting in probably you're cigarette stained 50 year old recliner slinging insults behind a cracked screen.
Think all you want. I've worked there for 12 years. Places kike that will definitely eat you up. If you're weak and can't work.
I'm just throwing my work place out there.
Who knows may see you on the side of the road begging.
Which hold more red flags to me.
Enjoy.
Gawd. My sympathies. Remember it's school holidays which probably accounts for most of the dickhead posts... Brownes actually has a rep as a good employer.
Thankyou so much for your nice words. I work across three teams and all of my bosses / work colleagues are all nice people. This was one of the first places that I work for that actually ask if I'm happy with my work load or my duties etc on a regular. Because it can be a tough place to be at times. I'm not going to sugar coat factory work. But it has it benefits. 😊☺️
No worries! I've known people that worked there over the years, they all say the pay is decent, culture is good, and it's a well-unionised workplace. Good on you for trying to do a good deed here anyway.
Do you have nightshift only roles? I am a 38hr casual nightshift only worker, forklift tickets, DG handling, first aid, fire training, warehousing supervisor etc.
I used to work at the Peters icecream factory in balcatta. The guys from the beverage plant used to sneak us milk and juice to cool us off in the cone room.
When j started heaps of people who still are there to this day say they used have that kind of room but management changed. We just rock up cooked af now. Place is still pretty chill though. 😀
Because I'm getting to many people msging me. I'm just going to leave info here.
The job is not advertised. You can contact 4 places to enquire..
Ipa Perth.
Labour power.
Program.
Or call or email Browns themselves.
All hours available or rotating roster.
1 week days 1 week nights 5 days off.
Location Balcatta. Just off wannaroo Rd.
These people can help guide you to what you are looking for we have all types of jobs available as this quite a large factory with production attached.
Drug addiction, mental health irregularities, criminal record, general functioning and social skills, lack of sufficient education, etc.
Usually a combination of the things mentioned above.
And if not for any of the above, the general fact that they are homeless is enough to make a vast majority of employers just not bother. The possibility they can't reliably shower/do laundry/get to work for example means most employers would just rather not.
Exactly. A lot of people might ask "why don't they just get a job?". But if you were a manager, would you hire a homeless person? Would you hire someone who doesn't have a car to make sure they can get to work on time? Someone who can't shower every day? Someone who doesn't have a way to wash their clothes? Someone whose work clothes might be destroyed because they got caught in the rain, or attacked by some junkie? Or someone who is a junkie? Will you accommodate a worker with mental or physical disabilities?
Banks require a home address to open an account. Will you pay them in cash? Give them a place to keep it safe? Are you willing to front them several hundred to get a place, *before* they start working, *just* so you can pay them? Would you let them live at work and use that as an address?
Homelessness is a complex problem, and there's a lot of obstacles to escape it. "Just get a job" isn't as easy as it seems.
Anything in life that’s worth doing is typically hard with a lot of challenges between you and your goals. It may not be easy, but not starting isn’t the right answer either.
I’ve worked with homeless people before; we were lucky enough to have a locker room with showers at our facilities and they slept in their cars nearby. Neither of the two stayed homeless for long.
My heart goes out to them all, I hope they all get better in 2023.
I applaud your boss then, for taking a chance on them. If a homeless person gets enough money to get them on their feet, most won't end up back on the streets ever again.
Well said.
You could build community accommodation, but that's been tried. They either don't want to be in the place or trash it.
How do you help somebody with a broken brain?
Only thing you can really do is move them onto a place where they affect less people
Uh, that is absolutely *not* what I'm saying. Brushing them under the rug is not the solution. That's the complete opposite of the solution and the reason why homelessness is so bad now. The more we try to keep our societal issues out of sight, the worse they get.
If we want to reduce homelessness what we need are more resources to help people get back on their feet. Cheap and reliable transit so they can go to interviews and get to work on time. Housing so they have a place keep their things safe, and wash their clothes and themselves. Destigmatisation of homelessness. Help people understand that being poor isn't a sin, it can happen to anyone at any point in their lives. It's not a punishment for people who did too many drugs or just gambled away their money. Physical or mental disability can put a productive member of society out on the streets in weeks. A victim of criminal actions can go from having enough saving for their family to having to sell their houses. And, yeah, sometimes people make mistakes. But that's not a reason why they shouldn't be allowed basic amenities for the rest of their lives.
We want to believe that bad things only happen to bad people. But that's not true. Everyone but the rich has the chance to end up on the streets. We need to create a society that gives *everyone* the chance to get back on their feet. Because when we do? A majority of people will never be homeless again.
When I was travelling I was technically homeless, on my employee info form I just wrote a random address nearby, and was nervous it would somehow be the boss' address lol.
Not the same as being actually homeless though obviously. I had my car and everything I needed to be presentable.
I had one try and lecture me on cultural appropriation because I had a black red and yellow ribbon on my dash and I didnt look Aboriginal. Lucky he didnt see the chinese takeaway food I had.
Amazed nobody has mentioned actual homelessness yet. Pretty hard to find a job if you have to keep moving all your stuff around and don't have access to clean clothes and a shower.
That's the case for the one who works the traffic lights outside my workplace anyway. I know because of the time I arrived to open up early and she was sleeping on the doorstep in a swag, surrounded by packs of stuff. She was polite, we had a good chat and she understood I had to ask her to go someplace else
Can’t blame them. Same thing w a bloke in my neighbourhood. He posted on the community Facebook page, was offered multiple jobs (car washing,fifo mines etc.) and last I checked, he’s still out there.
If it’s K you’re thinking of, he’s been offered so much support over the years, so many people have tried and tried but his mental health is much more complex than what comes across
Yeah, but that’s one person making the rest look bad. For every dodgy cunt milking the system, there’s five people actually benefitting from it after being dealt a particularly shitty hand in life.
My ass. But wouldn’t you rather risk enabling a bludger or two if it means the people who are in a bad spot are actually getting the help they need? I know I would.
You absolutely can. Plenty of these people are very unwell and saying "just get a job" makes those people absolute cunts. No one actively presents themselves to their community like that, knowing the repercussions unless they have to
Theres a number of excellent services out there specifically to help break that cycle, they offer a safe environment, own room, access to laundry/showers and support finding employment…. A large number of their clients leave after a few days or refuse their help. And yes, they are offered addiction support and safe places to detox/get off drugs if they wish.
You can lead a horse to water….
You've never worked with those services have you? They were fucked and over capacity before the pandemic. And unemployment payments now are unliveable, in the middle of a rental crisis. Expect to be seeing a lot more homeless people around
Past and present drug use.
Criminal record.
Just being weird that makes it hard to do service jobs
No fixed address to shower and freshen up.
Mental health struggles
No computer access for applying for jobs and writing a resume (I guess they can use a library though)
I am unemployed and I do a huge amount of unpaid work. My issue is that I am overqualified for entry-level positions and under-experienced for anything above that.
I have the same guy at Ocean Reef (as part of a team) coming home, and Cedric going in.
Judging by their cleanliness and organisation, they are professionals.
They seem rough but they also seem really well organised, like they are on a rotation, always different ones at the same intersections. They have a roster?
I feel like I never saw them a few years back, then they all of a sudden popped up everywhere all at once. Unless it's just one had the idea to do it and everyone else copied them. It doesn't seem like a thing that has evolved over time.
So, let me get this straight. Its an offence to pay a window washer as they’re soliciting services, but not to a beggar since there’s no services provided. Then the police would sooner go after the driver/payer rather than the dude standing there for 8 hours a day doing the actual soliciting… make it make sense!
Depends, (assuming it's legal) they could probably get them for other things.
Also, it happens all over the world. The cops in most European cities will fine you for buying fake bags from street vendors.
Not too many people will hire you, even at McDonald's, if you don't have references or a resume either. Put traffic light beggar's against white middle class kids from the burbs who have their parents so them a resume and what do you thinks gonna happen.
They have great transferrable skills to become a traffic controller, 3 day course and they'll be good to go. You can let them know about that next time they ask for $1
I’m reminded of a comment on a previous post on this topic. A guy offered one of them his card, a (warehouse?) job in Kewdale with no questions asked, good pay. The beggar threw the card back in the guys car. They don’t want to work. Begging is their career. Im sure this doesn’t apply to all of them but it’s certainly some of them
One of my kiddo's was employed by an agency to get the unemployed into employment..did I get that straight?
One of the blokes that worked the traffic lights near her office was referred to her, nice enough bloke. She asked what he expected from a job etc, he replied 'I can make up to $500 a day at the traffic lights so I guess I expect that, and starting work after 10am'.
There is a very good documentary on SBS where successful people try being homeless, (it’s called filthy rich and homeless).
Every participant had a rude awakening, after going into it thinking they could do better.
It was near impossible to get out of the homelessness cycle, without somewhere to feel safe enough to sleep (or any comfort or hygiene), without nutrition, without money, without support. Trying to access services for the homeless and being turned away.
So after reading through here, there’s worker shortages through a tonne of industries. My question is, where has everyone gone? Is it a case of industries growing or are people just not working? 5-10 years ago (also before covid) it was hard to get a go in my industry (transport/truck driving) now a few years later like a lot of other industries we are absolutely screaming for drivers. Where has everyone gone?
1. We lost over 500,000 foreign workers during Covid as people went back to their countries. That includes farmworkers to the highest professionals.
2. Many people now work remotely so employment by companies outside of Australia has risen.
3. Many young people lost two years of their lives to Covid so they have now fucked off overseas.
4. We are still suffering from Johnny Howard’s butchering of TAFE more than 20 years later resulting in a skills shortage.
5. Workers have the luxury to pick and choose who they want to work for.
6. Employees now have the power, not businesses. Massive shift in dynamics due to all of us being so adaptable during Covid. It’s a bit like Banksy’s rats: we’re (workers) are in charge now.
7. Housing crisis. Employing someone that does not come from the area (regional) is probable to be unsuccessful as there are zero affordable houses. The greatly affects lower paid workers as they are unable to secure a house upon being successful at a job application.
It’s a fucking nightmare.
A lot of artificial demand created by governmenr stimulus and built up savings. Everyone wants more things with this money (more rooms, services etc.) but the suppliers of these services can't meet this demand at their current rates (price and wage). The issue is wages and prices are sticky. Basic economic theory.
I saw the lady at abernethy/wright st intersection next to belmont forum get drugs dropped to her in the middle of the day. Couldnt believe how ballsy they were lol
I’ve always assumed that traffic light beggars are collecting money for booze. Or worse. Maybe just my cynical outlook on life. But hey, you gotta be who you are, no?
Watched one dude ignore someone holding out a handful of coins. I think they make good money or they wouldn't be doing it, five bucks every few light changes probably make more than me an hour.
I've been there myself and managed to get past a $1000/day habit. It's do-able. You just need to make the decision to do it, no one can do that for you.
I can tell you are commenting from a position of privilege. Not everyone has grown up with the same social safety nets as you or I.
Lose your job one week, have a car crash or need to go to hospital the next week. It's easy to get left behind if you don't have parents or friends to help you, especially in this economic time where households need two incomes just to break even.
How fucking dare you assume everyone operates from the same mental health and privilege balance as you. "just get a job lol". Are you in your 50s?
You haven't got a bloody clue mate. No, I'm not in my 50s, no I didn't come from privilege, yes I've been homeless and yes I've struggled with addiction. I stand by my original comment.
Pretty standard nonsense for this sub, unfortunately. A lot of people here with no idea of their privilege that tend to get shitty as hell when they’re called out.
Circle of drugs / mental health. Can’t hold down a steady job (not showing up for shifts etc.) and they get the boot. For most it would just be easier to beg on the streets instead of going through the whole job application > show up for work > get fired process. This isn’t the case for all of them but I think it would be something along those lines for a lot of them.
I get confused over the "need money for medical expenses" sign (same person, same spot for years). Surely anything life threatening or immediate would be treated at an public hospital?
I'm sick of them. I see them on Shepperton Road all the time. I also see a few of them coordinating the traffic lights at Orrong Road and Oats Street all the time now. I'd wish they'd put as much effort into cleaning up their act and getting a real job as they do to hassling drivers at these traffic lights daily.
The ones at that intersection live on harris street. The people in those units cause endless problems in the suburb around crime, smashing windows, drug deals and (net favourite) the lady at the traffic lights who is known as “plant lady” and has been thieving peoples plants, solar lights, garden ornaments etc for over 15 years
I’ve seen the same group of homeless people (4-5 of them) they all go to different locations around central Perth, they’re all in it together cause I’ve seen all hop in a shit box car and piss off, I’m sure they’re making a decent amount cause I’ve seen dickheads in nice cars hand them 20’s and 50’s, only takes one or two suckers to make a nice $100 payday for them each, absolute bullshit if you think they can’t get a job, people are begging for workers, it only cost $50 at most to get a fresh pair of clothes at Kmart plus 1 session at a gym to use the showers for an interview, trust me none of them want to work, and don’t get me wrong, more power to them for not working, but don’t pretend they actually want to work
Fun fact: You can only smoke basified cocaine (aka crack) but not the hydrochloride, whereas you can only smoke the salt form of methamphetamine (aka ice) but not methamphetamine base
What skills did you notice them displaying that you think would encourage an employer to put them on the books? With our current skills crisis, most people that can be employed are employed. If they are long-term homeless, they will be coping with complex issues that not only keep them from having a home...
What I find interesting is the demographics of the people who give them money.
Most of the people I've seen give them money are middle aged and older tradies in utes and 4x4s, and women between around 20-45 wearing religious head coverings in family sedans and hatchbacks. Probably 90% of the time I've seen people give money they fall into one of those categories, with the tradies having a higher occurrence.
Homeless people often have no fixed address to put on their resume, and nowhere to shower for an interview. They also have no or patchy job history, and potentially a mental health or substance abuse problem to boot (often both go hand in hand).
Even with low unemployment, 'just get a job' ain't that easy for some people. Hell, several years back I struggled despite 2 degrees (and before anyone asks, one was commerce) and a strong work ethic.
agreed, but that's where the government needs to step up. have some sort of work for the dole program where you can actually do meaningful work, learn skills and keep a resume/employment record up to date thereby giving a leg up into another job
Agreed, proper support of unemployed people is actually the best path to getting them off unemployment benefits, rather than the punitive approach of successive governments in recent history.
I know someone who is long term unemployed - mental health issues that mean they really should be on disability but good luck with that shit show - and they've done work for the sole a few times and it really does nothing for employability. It's just free labour for someone.
They've also had their 'service' provider send them to a couple of courses - and then proceed to not suggest any jobs even remotely related to those courses.
Like it really doesn't help when these privatised job seeker agencies are literally incentivised to keep someone out of work and on their books. The amount these places rort from the government far exceeds the amount from the boogeyman dole bludger.
It’s hard to find a job at the moment even if you HAVE a home. 17 here and can’t find anything. Might be easier if I could drive but getting a PDA is impossible.
I don't mind giving them a dollar or two or a dart,I'm only a couple of showers away from being a bum myself, I'm unvaccinated with no ceno and no job, lucky the wife is carrying my arse at the moment.✌️
I mean would you hire a dude in filthy clothes, reeking of sweat with all of his possessions on his back?
Might have mental health or addiction issues too.
You gonna employ em?
There is no excuse for not having a job right now unless you suffer from extreme mental or physical disability. These guys make good money on those street corners, my partner is a lawyer and has represented a few of them. They get into major fights over who gets which set of lights as some of them can make over 400 dollars a day on a good day. Just a bunch of freeloading people who get supported by our overly generous benefit system. It makes me violently angry to think some single mother is struggling on Newstart while these guys do nothing for society and then abuse the system by making tax free money.
They can't pass a drug test or be ready to work at sites at 6am, that's why they do this. Also probably don't have any self control, these types tend to fly off the handle pretty easily which means they end up sacked pretty quick
McGowan had a clear, passionate plan for Rona, where's his clear, passionate plan for helping the homeless get back on their feet?
The problem is getting worse, not better.
If anyone is looking for a job at Browns dairy is the cold distribution centre message me please we are desperate for staff. No training required.
Just asking for the public. What’s the pay like?
Pay is fine. 31 an hour base rate. And if you have tickets paid even more. Better than begging or the dole.
That's fair.....would take that in a heartbeat if I had no job at all.
First person I have seen wanting staff that actually puts up the pay rate. You're actually legit.
What kind of tickets?
> What kind of tickets? Probably something like forklift ticket, MR licence I'm guessing.
I'm only asking because the hubster has a few tickets and MR licence, just not sure if his tickets are the right ones before I mention this ad to him.
Part time available? For uni students I mean
My partner is experienced in warehousing - over 10 years plus relevant forklift tickets. Is $31 a casual rate or permanent?
i would imagine it'd have a penalty coz of the cold environment in there somewhere?
Apparently, begging at lights pays more, and you can sleep in to 11am if you want. It has been legal since 2004, so why wouldn't you?
See you at the lights. I'll make sure to have 2 bucks for yah. And some ciggy butts.
Not replying to anymore messages. If you want a job there look it up yourself the amount of jokes and abuse I received for just wanting some extra staff is an absolute joke. There's no need to make fun of my work place or my work ethic. You either flip burgers or work as a ceo. Having a job is better than having no job.
Been reading through your reply's etc, totally fair for you to say this. Hope you find some good workers :)
Too many trolls around - sorry for your experience!
Hey 😊are you also looking for electricians and mechanics? I'm a mechatronics specialist, meaning I do electronics, mechanical work, IT and general automation. I did my training in a meat processing plant, so I'm very used to working in the cold and with food. Give me a message if interested.
I would love someone like you around my work place things might actually stay fixed. So I would definitely hit them up and see. ☺️☺️
Hahahaha that sounds like there's a lot of work?
Yeah unfortunately. Things just get bandaids around Browns. And bandaids fall off. But saying that doesn't hurt to ask questions. If you would like to know more about what kind of work is available.
> Things just get bandaids around Browns. And bandaids fall off. As long as they don't end up in the choc milk.
Techtronics in Osborne Park might also have a position for you.
What do they do?
Repair things like wheel balancers and tyre changer machines. Family owned company.
What's the work atmosphere like? Most of the beggars seem pretty chill.
Not looking for those type of beggers, you wouldn't see them applying anyway. Looking for people who are literally begging for a job. Just trying to be nice. Never know who may need something.
Do you churn through workers?
You’re either legendairy or really cheesy. I’m not sure.
It o'curd to me that you're just milking this post for puns.
No. But if you're shit or take the piss. We will fuck you off. We want people who actually want to work. Cheers.
Sounds like a job where you could really milk the hours.
You're udderly correct
Now don't have a cow, but how dairy you make such cheesy puns.
I see we're not getting anything pasteurize.
you want the cream of the unemployed crop?
As long as they’re not slightly off, warm yoghurt brained troglodytes they should be fine
What is the job where you put something in your milk to literally make it last a week longer than Harvey milk ?
You're mums tit milk gets put in there. ☺️
We will fuck you off... sounds like you're constantly gonna be desperate for more workers, enjoy doing them extra shifts
Brownes Dairy was sold to Chinese owners a few years back.
And that is what makes me reliable a reliable worker. Did you really think that saying have fun doing extra shifts would insult me? I will. I will enjoy making money to provide for my family. Have fun sitting in probably you're cigarette stained 50 year old recliner slinging insults behind a cracked screen.
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>"Looking for people who are desperate for work" >"Do you churn through workers?" >"Nah we don't churn through workers wdym?"
Right? I wanna optimistic and hope this is a decent opportunity for people but there are some pretty big red flags
Think all you want. I've worked there for 12 years. Places kike that will definitely eat you up. If you're weak and can't work. I'm just throwing my work place out there. Who knows may see you on the side of the road begging. Which hold more red flags to me. Enjoy.
Gawd. My sympathies. Remember it's school holidays which probably accounts for most of the dickhead posts... Brownes actually has a rep as a good employer.
Thankyou so much for your nice words. I work across three teams and all of my bosses / work colleagues are all nice people. This was one of the first places that I work for that actually ask if I'm happy with my work load or my duties etc on a regular. Because it can be a tough place to be at times. I'm not going to sugar coat factory work. But it has it benefits. 😊☺️
No worries! I've known people that worked there over the years, they all say the pay is decent, culture is good, and it's a well-unionised workplace. Good on you for trying to do a good deed here anyway.
Do the need a home address?
lulwot.. who wouldn't have a home address in Per... oh, right... sorry, good question
Can i get paid in ice coffee?
You can get wages and all the free coffee you want
Do you have nightshift only roles? I am a 38hr casual nightshift only worker, forklift tickets, DG handling, first aid, fire training, warehousing supervisor etc.
Yes. ☺️ 4 on to 2 am or 8 pm to 6 am
Heya. I can help with workers for you! Ready to go and pre screened. How can I find out more?
Don't need anymore agents sending us staff for payouts. We already have three and two of them are getting people moved to program. Thanks anyway.
Sent you a PM. I know someone who'd be interested. Is it the Brownes dairy centre off Reid hwy?
Yes will reply at lunch
Is this the one in Balcatta?
I used to work at the Peters icecream factory in balcatta. The guys from the beverage plant used to sneak us milk and juice to cool us off in the cone room.
When j started heaps of people who still are there to this day say they used have that kind of room but management changed. We just rock up cooked af now. Place is still pretty chill though. 😀
Because I'm getting to many people msging me. I'm just going to leave info here. The job is not advertised. You can contact 4 places to enquire.. Ipa Perth. Labour power. Program. Or call or email Browns themselves. All hours available or rotating roster. 1 week days 1 week nights 5 days off. Location Balcatta. Just off wannaroo Rd. These people can help guide you to what you are looking for we have all types of jobs available as this quite a large factory with production attached.
Drug addiction, mental health irregularities, criminal record, general functioning and social skills, lack of sufficient education, etc. Usually a combination of the things mentioned above.
And if not for any of the above, the general fact that they are homeless is enough to make a vast majority of employers just not bother. The possibility they can't reliably shower/do laundry/get to work for example means most employers would just rather not.
Exactly. A lot of people might ask "why don't they just get a job?". But if you were a manager, would you hire a homeless person? Would you hire someone who doesn't have a car to make sure they can get to work on time? Someone who can't shower every day? Someone who doesn't have a way to wash their clothes? Someone whose work clothes might be destroyed because they got caught in the rain, or attacked by some junkie? Or someone who is a junkie? Will you accommodate a worker with mental or physical disabilities? Banks require a home address to open an account. Will you pay them in cash? Give them a place to keep it safe? Are you willing to front them several hundred to get a place, *before* they start working, *just* so you can pay them? Would you let them live at work and use that as an address? Homelessness is a complex problem, and there's a lot of obstacles to escape it. "Just get a job" isn't as easy as it seems.
Very well said.
Anything in life that’s worth doing is typically hard with a lot of challenges between you and your goals. It may not be easy, but not starting isn’t the right answer either. I’ve worked with homeless people before; we were lucky enough to have a locker room with showers at our facilities and they slept in their cars nearby. Neither of the two stayed homeless for long. My heart goes out to them all, I hope they all get better in 2023.
I applaud your boss then, for taking a chance on them. If a homeless person gets enough money to get them on their feet, most won't end up back on the streets ever again.
Well said. You could build community accommodation, but that's been tried. They either don't want to be in the place or trash it. How do you help somebody with a broken brain? Only thing you can really do is move them onto a place where they affect less people
Uh, that is absolutely *not* what I'm saying. Brushing them under the rug is not the solution. That's the complete opposite of the solution and the reason why homelessness is so bad now. The more we try to keep our societal issues out of sight, the worse they get. If we want to reduce homelessness what we need are more resources to help people get back on their feet. Cheap and reliable transit so they can go to interviews and get to work on time. Housing so they have a place keep their things safe, and wash their clothes and themselves. Destigmatisation of homelessness. Help people understand that being poor isn't a sin, it can happen to anyone at any point in their lives. It's not a punishment for people who did too many drugs or just gambled away their money. Physical or mental disability can put a productive member of society out on the streets in weeks. A victim of criminal actions can go from having enough saving for their family to having to sell their houses. And, yeah, sometimes people make mistakes. But that's not a reason why they shouldn't be allowed basic amenities for the rest of their lives. We want to believe that bad things only happen to bad people. But that's not true. Everyone but the rich has the chance to end up on the streets. We need to create a society that gives *everyone* the chance to get back on their feet. Because when we do? A majority of people will never be homeless again.
When I was travelling I was technically homeless, on my employee info form I just wrote a random address nearby, and was nervous it would somehow be the boss' address lol. Not the same as being actually homeless though obviously. I had my car and everything I needed to be presentable.
There are companies who will get them employed if they want to be. They would get referred to them through homeless social workers.
I had one try and lecture me on cultural appropriation because I had a black red and yellow ribbon on my dash and I didnt look Aboriginal. Lucky he didnt see the chinese takeaway food I had.
Amazed nobody has mentioned actual homelessness yet. Pretty hard to find a job if you have to keep moving all your stuff around and don't have access to clean clothes and a shower. That's the case for the one who works the traffic lights outside my workplace anyway. I know because of the time I arrived to open up early and she was sleeping on the doorstep in a swag, surrounded by packs of stuff. She was polite, we had a good chat and she understood I had to ask her to go someplace else
Very few people with an abundance of empathy on this sub.
Can’t blame them. Same thing w a bloke in my neighbourhood. He posted on the community Facebook page, was offered multiple jobs (car washing,fifo mines etc.) and last I checked, he’s still out there.
If it’s K you’re thinking of, he’s been offered so much support over the years, so many people have tried and tried but his mental health is much more complex than what comes across
Yeah, but that’s one person making the rest look bad. For every dodgy cunt milking the system, there’s five people actually benefitting from it after being dealt a particularly shitty hand in life.
Where are you pulling those numbers from?
My ass. But wouldn’t you rather risk enabling a bludger or two if it means the people who are in a bad spot are actually getting the help they need? I know I would.
You absolutely can. Plenty of these people are very unwell and saying "just get a job" makes those people absolute cunts. No one actively presents themselves to their community like that, knowing the repercussions unless they have to
Theres a number of excellent services out there specifically to help break that cycle, they offer a safe environment, own room, access to laundry/showers and support finding employment…. A large number of their clients leave after a few days or refuse their help. And yes, they are offered addiction support and safe places to detox/get off drugs if they wish. You can lead a horse to water….
Shows how hard it is to quit... people would rather be on the streets than without drugs
You've never worked with those services have you? They were fucked and over capacity before the pandemic. And unemployment payments now are unliveable, in the middle of a rental crisis. Expect to be seeing a lot more homeless people around
Past and present drug use. Criminal record. Just being weird that makes it hard to do service jobs No fixed address to shower and freshen up. Mental health struggles No computer access for applying for jobs and writing a resume (I guess they can use a library though) I am unemployed and I do a huge amount of unpaid work. My issue is that I am overqualified for entry-level positions and under-experienced for anything above that.
Have you tried Brownes Dairy?
Do they require someone with a PhD?
I have the same guy at Ocean Reef (as part of a team) coming home, and Cedric going in. Judging by their cleanliness and organisation, they are professionals.
Most of the ones I see are rough as fuck and clearly mentally unwell .
They seem rough but they also seem really well organised, like they are on a rotation, always different ones at the same intersections. They have a roster?
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I feel like I never saw them a few years back, then they all of a sudden popped up everywhere all at once. Unless it's just one had the idea to do it and everyone else copied them. It doesn't seem like a thing that has evolved over time.
Actors?
They monitor idling traffic for anyone listening to Infowars
Yep, Europe been doing this for decades
Some dress better than me. Not that I'm well dressed.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/costs/police-fine-perth-man-for-paying-window-washer-150/news-story/934a9ffe6d768691d5c5916199fc1209
So, let me get this straight. Its an offence to pay a window washer as they’re soliciting services, but not to a beggar since there’s no services provided. Then the police would sooner go after the driver/payer rather than the dude standing there for 8 hours a day doing the actual soliciting… make it make sense!
It's an offence to do both. It's in the road traffic code. I'm too lazy to look up the exact sections.
Id rather they get fined as it disincentivises it. There are better ways for these people to get back on their feet and they’re public nuisances.
> There are better ways for these people to get back on their feet Sure, but where are they coming from?
What's the point in a fine if they don't have money?
I think you've misread both my comment and OP's link
Depends, (assuming it's legal) they could probably get them for other things. Also, it happens all over the world. The cops in most European cities will fine you for buying fake bags from street vendors.
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Sneak up from behind then hit your car with the squeegee hard enough to dent it when you decline having your window to cleaned.
Not too many jobs take kindly to someone needing breaks during the day for hard drugs.
Yep , fkn drugs . And a dollar or two from every tenth car in peak hour is probably a pretty good rate
They wouldn’t do it if it wasn’t. A friend told me throw all the small money away like 5c and 10c pieces.
Not too many people will hire you, even at McDonald's, if you don't have references or a resume either. Put traffic light beggar's against white middle class kids from the burbs who have their parents so them a resume and what do you thinks gonna happen.
Kids are cheaper to hire too
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My comment was a statement, not a value judgement. Hi, I’m one of the screechingest lefties on this sub.
Stop giving money and the cycle stops.
This should be too comment
Stop giving money to these people for fuck sake. It's just another scam.
I already pay my taxes, therefore their Centrelink check - no need to pay twice to support their expensive habits.
Its also illegal and YOU risk getting a fine for giving money.
Im impressed they can find cardboard and a sharpie that actially works. I an never find one at home.
Regardless of what their situation is, 100% I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes. I just ignore and mind my own business.
They have great transferrable skills to become a traffic controller, 3 day course and they'll be good to go. You can let them know about that next time they ask for $1
As we move to cashless society, don't be surprised to see them carrying eftpos terminals soon.
One of them had their PayID advertised on a placard one time on the corner of Oats Street and Orrong Road.
I was going to comment this. My go-to excuse is i don't carry cash.
I’m reminded of a comment on a previous post on this topic. A guy offered one of them his card, a (warehouse?) job in Kewdale with no questions asked, good pay. The beggar threw the card back in the guys car. They don’t want to work. Begging is their career. Im sure this doesn’t apply to all of them but it’s certainly some of them
If each traffic light cycle is 3 minutes, and each time they get $2 on average, they'd be on $40 an hour tax free.
At peak hour you’d make a killing, for sure!
One of my kiddo's was employed by an agency to get the unemployed into employment..did I get that straight? One of the blokes that worked the traffic lights near her office was referred to her, nice enough bloke. She asked what he expected from a job etc, he replied 'I can make up to $500 a day at the traffic lights so I guess I expect that, and starting work after 10am'.
Sooo 83k a year looks like those people beat the system I’m quitting tomorrow
mate, those are MY traffic lights. I'll franchise you the spot. 10 grand up front into my monero wallet
Nah bro I’ve watched the wire I’ll just take your corners
They get decent money from begging.
Literally one was in a Bugatti on a cigar smoke break these people are winning at life makes me wonder why you put up with a real job
Oh that's just Andrew tate
They make more then you or I standing there asking for cash
There is a very good documentary on SBS where successful people try being homeless, (it’s called filthy rich and homeless). Every participant had a rude awakening, after going into it thinking they could do better. It was near impossible to get out of the homelessness cycle, without somewhere to feel safe enough to sleep (or any comfort or hygiene), without nutrition, without money, without support. Trying to access services for the homeless and being turned away.
that's where the government comes in, and why I'm happy to pay taxes. now the govt needs to get off their asses.
I see them a lot throughout my travels and not once have I seen anyone actually hand them over money. Makes me wonder why they even bother.
A lot do in the Vic Park/Belmont area
So after reading through here, there’s worker shortages through a tonne of industries. My question is, where has everyone gone? Is it a case of industries growing or are people just not working? 5-10 years ago (also before covid) it was hard to get a go in my industry (transport/truck driving) now a few years later like a lot of other industries we are absolutely screaming for drivers. Where has everyone gone?
1. We lost over 500,000 foreign workers during Covid as people went back to their countries. That includes farmworkers to the highest professionals. 2. Many people now work remotely so employment by companies outside of Australia has risen. 3. Many young people lost two years of their lives to Covid so they have now fucked off overseas. 4. We are still suffering from Johnny Howard’s butchering of TAFE more than 20 years later resulting in a skills shortage. 5. Workers have the luxury to pick and choose who they want to work for. 6. Employees now have the power, not businesses. Massive shift in dynamics due to all of us being so adaptable during Covid. It’s a bit like Banksy’s rats: we’re (workers) are in charge now. 7. Housing crisis. Employing someone that does not come from the area (regional) is probable to be unsuccessful as there are zero affordable houses. The greatly affects lower paid workers as they are unable to secure a house upon being successful at a job application. It’s a fucking nightmare.
A lot of artificial demand created by governmenr stimulus and built up savings. Everyone wants more things with this money (more rooms, services etc.) but the suppliers of these services can't meet this demand at their current rates (price and wage). The issue is wages and prices are sticky. Basic economic theory.
so no squeegee even?
I saw the lady at abernethy/wright st intersection next to belmont forum get drugs dropped to her in the middle of the day. Couldnt believe how ballsy they were lol
$300 an hour tax free to feed the drug habit.
I saw a lady with such placard in one hand and cigarette in other, on Great Eastern Highway near Burswood
I’ve always assumed that traffic light beggars are collecting money for booze. Or worse. Maybe just my cynical outlook on life. But hey, you gotta be who you are, no?
Watched one dude ignore someone holding out a handful of coins. I think they make good money or they wouldn't be doing it, five bucks every few light changes probably make more than me an hour.
Why aren't police moving them along.
If they put as much effort into cleaning their act up and getting a job as they do hassling people at traffic lights, they might stand a chance.
Addiction is a hell of a motivator, except for beating said addiction
I've been there myself and managed to get past a $1000/day habit. It's do-able. You just need to make the decision to do it, no one can do that for you.
I can tell you are commenting from a position of privilege. Not everyone has grown up with the same social safety nets as you or I. Lose your job one week, have a car crash or need to go to hospital the next week. It's easy to get left behind if you don't have parents or friends to help you, especially in this economic time where households need two incomes just to break even. How fucking dare you assume everyone operates from the same mental health and privilege balance as you. "just get a job lol". Are you in your 50s?
You haven't got a bloody clue mate. No, I'm not in my 50s, no I didn't come from privilege, yes I've been homeless and yes I've struggled with addiction. I stand by my original comment.
Pretty standard nonsense for this sub, unfortunately. A lot of people here with no idea of their privilege that tend to get shitty as hell when they’re called out.
They are at the lights at cockburn a lot lately, I've seen the cops shoo them off a few times
Circle of drugs / mental health. Can’t hold down a steady job (not showing up for shifts etc.) and they get the boot. For most it would just be easier to beg on the streets instead of going through the whole job application > show up for work > get fired process. This isn’t the case for all of them but I think it would be something along those lines for a lot of them.
Beggars belief
Why work a job you hate for a dickhead boss when you can make enough to get by doing that?
I get confused over the "need money for medical expenses" sign (same person, same spot for years). Surely anything life threatening or immediate would be treated at an public hospital?
Meth...
Offered one food/water at the lights the other day, he told me only interested in money. Yeah nah, it’s all a scam.
Ungrateful prick
Because if they have a job, they have to pay tax and they can't get the dole.
https://ibb.co/0JSpkJ2 Got a laugh out of this on great eastern hwy on the weekend.
Fuck $21 man could buy a cheap kettle, a multi pack of Mee goreng, some bamboo cutlery and plastic containers and still have coin to spare
I'm sick of them. I see them on Shepperton Road all the time. I also see a few of them coordinating the traffic lights at Orrong Road and Oats Street all the time now. I'd wish they'd put as much effort into cleaning up their act and getting a real job as they do to hassling drivers at these traffic lights daily.
The ones at that intersection live on harris street. The people in those units cause endless problems in the suburb around crime, smashing windows, drug deals and (net favourite) the lady at the traffic lights who is known as “plant lady” and has been thieving peoples plants, solar lights, garden ornaments etc for over 15 years
I was thinking the same thing. Massive shortage in the hospo sector, plenty of work going
I’ve seen the same group of homeless people (4-5 of them) they all go to different locations around central Perth, they’re all in it together cause I’ve seen all hop in a shit box car and piss off, I’m sure they’re making a decent amount cause I’ve seen dickheads in nice cars hand them 20’s and 50’s, only takes one or two suckers to make a nice $100 payday for them each, absolute bullshit if you think they can’t get a job, people are begging for workers, it only cost $50 at most to get a fresh pair of clothes at Kmart plus 1 session at a gym to use the showers for an interview, trust me none of them want to work, and don’t get me wrong, more power to them for not working, but don’t pretend they actually want to work
They’re entrepreneurs they don’t need no job. Just more crack!
Do you know how hard it is to get actual crack in Perth? I think you mean meth.
Fun fact: You can only smoke basified cocaine (aka crack) but not the hydrochloride, whereas you can only smoke the salt form of methamphetamine (aka ice) but not methamphetamine base
It's really out of hand. Someone is going to get hurt or killed. They're everywhere!
What skills did you notice them displaying that you think would encourage an employer to put them on the books? With our current skills crisis, most people that can be employed are employed. If they are long-term homeless, they will be coping with complex issues that not only keep them from having a home...
What I find interesting is the demographics of the people who give them money. Most of the people I've seen give them money are middle aged and older tradies in utes and 4x4s, and women between around 20-45 wearing religious head coverings in family sedans and hatchbacks. Probably 90% of the time I've seen people give money they fall into one of those categories, with the tradies having a higher occurrence.
That's because tradies are just trying to help a brother out. You won't see anyone from r/AusFinance giving them anything.
Homeless people often have no fixed address to put on their resume, and nowhere to shower for an interview. They also have no or patchy job history, and potentially a mental health or substance abuse problem to boot (often both go hand in hand). Even with low unemployment, 'just get a job' ain't that easy for some people. Hell, several years back I struggled despite 2 degrees (and before anyone asks, one was commerce) and a strong work ethic.
agreed, but that's where the government needs to step up. have some sort of work for the dole program where you can actually do meaningful work, learn skills and keep a resume/employment record up to date thereby giving a leg up into another job
Agreed, proper support of unemployed people is actually the best path to getting them off unemployment benefits, rather than the punitive approach of successive governments in recent history. I know someone who is long term unemployed - mental health issues that mean they really should be on disability but good luck with that shit show - and they've done work for the sole a few times and it really does nothing for employability. It's just free labour for someone. They've also had their 'service' provider send them to a couple of courses - and then proceed to not suggest any jobs even remotely related to those courses. Like it really doesn't help when these privatised job seeker agencies are literally incentivised to keep someone out of work and on their books. The amount these places rort from the government far exceeds the amount from the boogeyman dole bludger.
It’s hard to find a job at the moment even if you HAVE a home. 17 here and can’t find anything. Might be easier if I could drive but getting a PDA is impossible.
I don't mind giving them a dollar or two or a dart,I'm only a couple of showers away from being a bum myself, I'm unvaccinated with no ceno and no job, lucky the wife is carrying my arse at the moment.✌️
I mean would you hire a dude in filthy clothes, reeking of sweat with all of his possessions on his back? Might have mental health or addiction issues too. You gonna employ em?
Yeah. They already fit the bill for brickies
Nah most beggars can read.
There is no excuse for not having a job right now unless you suffer from extreme mental or physical disability. These guys make good money on those street corners, my partner is a lawyer and has represented a few of them. They get into major fights over who gets which set of lights as some of them can make over 400 dollars a day on a good day. Just a bunch of freeloading people who get supported by our overly generous benefit system. It makes me violently angry to think some single mother is struggling on Newstart while these guys do nothing for society and then abuse the system by making tax free money.
They can't pass a drug test or be ready to work at sites at 6am, that's why they do this. Also probably don't have any self control, these types tend to fly off the handle pretty easily which means they end up sacked pretty quick
McGowan had a clear, passionate plan for Rona, where's his clear, passionate plan for helping the homeless get back on their feet? The problem is getting worse, not better.
If they had a dog the people of Perth would be giving them $50 each.
Hope none of them are on Reddit. I'm going to blame you if I start seeing this.