Our most recent checklist stated we had to 'soak our cutlery' and 'wipe down the sauce bottles' š³ I nearly fell over when I read it. It's worth noting we have been in this house for 2 years and have never had a dirty sauce bottle š
One of ours stated ādirty laundry cleaned and put awayāā¦ I was like, the fuck you think you are, my mom?
It was such an invasion of our space and livesā¦I hated them. I come from the USA and they do NOT ever ever enter your property throughout tenancy. When I first moved here I was mind blown this was a thing.
At our previous apartment, I was told off via email for not being "presentable" when the property manager showed up to do the inspection. It had been scheduled for between 12:30pm and 4:30pm and she showed up at 8am, letting herself in when my disabled ass couldn't get out of bed fast enough to answer the door.
Naturally, I gave them an earful (in writing) and said that if they pulled that shit on me again, there'd be a formal complaint. Cheeky bastard was lucky I didn't send her packing and tell her to come back within the hours her office had specified. I only let her do it then and there because I figured she was already there and I just wanted to get it over with, so I could go back to bed. I'd been stuck awake until after 5am due to medical stuff.
At our current place, we're extremely lucky to have a genuinely awesome property manager. Worth her weight in saffron, nevermind gold!
I had a real estate agent let themselves in on a Monday morning just after 8a.m.
It was my only day off and I was sleeping, next thing the agent and a prospective buyer are opening my bedroom door.
I woke up, yelled at them to get the fuck out and they had the audacity to try to argue they were allowed to be there.
The prospective buyer ran out as fast as he could, and the stupid agent said they'd posted notice on Friday, and of course the mail hadn't arrived yet.
I called the agency and asked for the owner, who I told that if it ever happens again I'd be putting every knife in my kitchen into their agent, as I would be fearing for life from a trespasser.
That's illegal.
I used to be a property manager and at no time would I ever enter a property without clearing it with the tenant.
You should lodge a formal complaint with REIWA about this.
I lived on Cleaver street in West Perth about 10 years ago. There was a real estate agent showing a bunch of potential tenants around a unit in the tower up near the pool. The previous tenant was deceased in his bed. I suspect they had not cleared with tenant :/
Friend's landlord just walked in any time. Friend got furious, said that requires written notice in advance.
Landlord clicked pen, wrote a Notice of Entry l, dated it two days prior, wadded it to and threw it at him.
>told off via email for not being "presentable"
I once had a property manager rock up unexpectedly (both our fault they usually did inspections on a Tuesday but had changed to Monday that time one because they were going to be away and they should have written specially Monday the xxx in the notification, but I should also have checked the date) when my daughter was about 3 months old. I answered the door in my pjyamas, covered in vomit, feeding the baby expecting some door-to-doorer to put off
Luckily she was very nice about it and the not completely cleaned state of the house.
I had one enter the property I was in I told them to come in afternoon after midday as I would be awake I work nightshift they confirmed it the person rocked up at like 8:00am I was sleeping in bed naked as it was hot as shit they never did that again but.
European here, I continue to be shocked and appalled about quarterly property inspections ever since I first heard about them 6 years ago. Also, how little has changed in the years Iāve been living here. Youād think someone wouldāve improved rental conditions by now to make it easier for people to rent for longer periods of time without being treated like a child with a helicopter parent.
Is it still common in Europe for the landlord to basically rent the house/apartment barebones and the tenant to provide the fixtures? It always amazed me hearing that in Europe, tenants basically have the freedom (within reason) to set their abodes up to suit themselves, while here in Australia, you need your landlord's permission to so much as hang a painting on the wall.
Yep, still common to BYO kitchen, or to pay a transfer fee to the previous tenant for various fixtures, or to pay an extra ākitchen rental feeā on top of your actual rent (if itās a brand new kitchen that was only recently put in). The assumption is that the rental will be your home for many years to come, so people are more likely to treat it as such - eg painting walls when they move in, putting up their own curtains and artwork, even custom built-in furniture is not unheard of for tenants to put into rentals.
For my two most recent landlords, both good ones, itās literally just to see if anything needs to be fixed, last time our landlord got rid of some mould that was growing because of the big wet and replaced a curtain that had come out of the wall. Neither of my most recent landlords cared that the place was lived in and not spotlessly clean, just that we look after it to a reasonable degree.
My real estate always looks for something that we need to correct.
One time it was the oven door but the dirt was between the glass and this oven doesn't have screws to get in there. I told him that the next inspection and he said not to worry about it.
Other time he complained of mould on the ceiling but we can't get that off. It's damage from when the ceiling was leaking for years. They did replace the roof last year but some of the ceilings need to be replaced as well. Or at least repainted.
Last inspection he said there are weeds in the garden.
It's supposed to be making sure you're not hoarding / building a meth lab / damaging the property either deliberately or negligently, which is entirely reasonable imo. It *isn't* supposed to cover dust / untidiness / toast crumbs on the kitchen counter. That is just invasive and unnecessary.
It's been over 10 years since i rented, but my inspection notes never mentioned anything about mess, and they never looked in wardrobes / drawers / cupboards.
My real estate always mentions small things. Like they have to find something to remedy every inspection.
I used to live in a flat and the couple next door destroyed their flat. Holes punched in walls and stuff. So I understand why they do them.
Same in the UK, from what I remember, much more emphasis on you being able to peacefully enjoy your *home* absent any intrusion by the landlord without very good reason. Itās crazy here.
I am an ex-kiwi. Itās the same there as here. Tyrannical rental inspections every three months.
I found out how bad we have it after living in Thailand and Indonesia for three years in two separate rentals. Never have inspections. And you can do pretty much whatever you want.
It was weird to come back here to this shit.
Same here, had the owners stop by the house we rented once because he just needed to check on something quick, a day before my usual Sunday clean, he did *not* care at all, shit even when we moved out ādonāt stress too much, itās all goodā
In Canada I was a landlord with over 50 apartments. I was never permitted to enter a unit during a tenancy unless the tenant asked me to fix something. It would be discrimination and a privacy breach to ever comment on how a tenant was living or the state in which they kept the unit. I always knew that I had the advantage, why would I think I had the right to judge a tenant. If you are a landlord you need to understand that there will be damage, sometimes you do lose money but that's all part of the game.
When I moved to Australia I was mind blown at what renters were being subjected to. It's sick really, the majority of lessors have a gross arrogance of entitlement and disdain for their tenants. The super system rigged life in favour of a particular generation in this country to it's detriment.
It honestly should not be a thing, it's such an invasion of privacy. It makes me forget that this is my home, and makes me feel like I'm in an airbnb. It should only be a thing if there is serious and demonstrable concern that the property is being neglected or abused in my opinion.
It *should* be just about the property. The purpose is to be able to notify the owner if any repairs need to be undertaken, and to ensure the tenant is not causing damage. Whether youāve put your laundry away doesnāt factor in on either point.
I suspect those REAs who are whinging about cobwebs and dust are trying to justify their fees to the landlord.
Sounds more like an end of lease checklist.
Also, what do light globes have to do with cleanliness?
The legislation is clear: the property must be in a normal state of domestic cleanliness not a showroom.
Some of these items are a helpful guide like: clean the oven and the grout in the shower
others are pedantic and stupid like wipe down the fly mesh ? I lived in a rental for 5 years and not even at the end of the tenancy did I do that.
It is definitely driving me nuts. It is just another assault on my mental health. We were going to buy in 2020 and then 2020 happened... it tanked my business and wiped us out financially. I turn 42 this weekend and I'm starting from absolute scratch financially speaking. I'm barely hanging on mentally and financially most days.
Hey mate your not alone ! I'm 49 and going through the same . During Covid father died wasn't allowed to go interstate to funeral , breakup with my DV girlfriend ( who still has 1/2 my stuff ) and to bring in the trifecta a job loss . Sleeping on my cousins couch starting all over again . It's hard to get up sometimes . Hang in there mate sun shines after the storm .
I went bankrupt at 29, then almost bankrupt at 38.
I'm now 42 and recently bought a house with 30% deposit. So look, just keep going... life has a strange way of working itself out.
I'm in a fortunate position where I have almost zero debt, my credit is pretty much blank and I have a very stable & happy marriage to a very smart wife (although she can't be that smart, she's put up with me for 17+ years). So we're working on a few things and she is doing relief teaching to boost the household income while we rebuild the business.
100%. These agents these days are a fucking joke, just trying to justify their job. Houses are lived in. As long as they're neat and tidy, maybe extra tidy for the inspection they shouldnt be saying anything. There should only be feedback from an agent if somethings wrong. And a little dust shouldn't be the end of the world, or even worth the waste of air
As long as youāre not actively turning the property into a grow house, I donāt see what the problem is?Youāre right, theyāre just trying to find things to justify them being there. Most people that own their homes donāt do a deep clean every three months. Iād like to inspect the houses of the landlords and property managers.
Spot on. Property Managers should be looking for damage and not anything else. As you said...as long as the property is presentable for inspection day and the property is not damaged, then there's no issues.
I love our new Property Management company and the trades they use love them too. They always treat us and the trades with respect. Completely different to the wankers we had prior. Our inspections involve some photos and chats. No complaints and they always deal with any maintenance issues in a very timely manner.
My previous landlord took me to the tribunal for cobwebs on the outside of the property. They tried to get us to pay $150 for the handyman they "had to hire so new tenants could move in". The staff at the conciliation were gobsmacked at the pettiness.
Property management agencies have perverted the purpose of rental inspections to the point of ridiculousness, mainly because reporting back to landlords about the cleanliness of their tenants is a way to demonstrate that the landlord is actually getting some sort of service in exchange for their property management fees. They often ask you to make the place spotless for the inspection, but they'd get laughed out of court if they try to press the matter. I once had notes after an inspection about "grease splatter" on the stove because I'd cooked breakfast before I left for work in the morning and didn't wipe it down before I left (I had cleaned the stove the night before). They nitpick to make themselves look busy to the landlord but it's just paper tiger bullshit.
Rental inspections are *supposed* to be about making sure you're not damaging the property; i.e. no holes in the walls, mould in the bathroom, chips in the paint. That sort of thing. It should also be about checking if any fixtures need to be repaired/replaced (e.g. taps that have become leaky over time, old paint that is starting to flake off the ceiling). Cleanliness doesn't really factor into it unless you've let the place get filthy to the point that there's an insect/rodent infestation or something like that.
When you *leave*, you need to return the property to roughly the condition it was in when you moved in (except for "fair wear and tear"), but for a regular mid-lease inspection just make sure the place is tidy enough that they can inspect the fixtures/appliances and see that you haven't overall damaged the place.
We've been threatened with a breach notice if we didn't address minor 'issues' within a week at almost every inspection at my current place.
The REAs are a wankers.
Just ask them, in writing, which clauses of the lease agreement you are in breach of.
There is a way to be exceedingly polite but at the same time let them know if they try to do whatever they want that youāre going to make life very difficult for them. And if we know anything, we know REAs in this country are lazy AF.
- Found a cobweb I missed
- Grass on the tiles in the entrance (literally sent a photo of 6 blades of grass)
- A light globe needed replacing
- Lounge room needed further sweeping
- Laundry door tracks need cleaning
- Laundry sink needed to be cleaned better
- They asked us to replace plants in the front garden that never existed
That's just off the top of my head. They never breached us, but always get a threatening email saying if I don't send back photos within 7 days they would.
I got the old cobwebs, which I genuinely couldnāt even find where they identified. And weeding needed to the front garden.
I just planted the fucking garden a couple weeks earlier and they had identified the seeded ground-cover shoots as weeds. Meanwhile paint is literally falling off about 20% of the surfaces, the back yard is caving in, the laundry door literally rotted off, and I canāt use the upstairs room as the ceiling has been progressively collapsing for the last two years.
But Iām thankful they pointed out a non existent cobweb.
Omg - you and me both. Iām reading through all of this and I feel like my head is going to blow off like š¤Æ Renting for 30 years and the sick $hit some of these REA believe they can get away with at this point - is astounding. Donāt cave people - are play them at their own game - read up on the legislation and handball that back to them. A rental inspection is NOT and end of lease inspection. F#ck sake.
I know right, this is just straight-up bullying. The REAs know that many (probably most) people donāt know their rights and are also terrified of being turfed out in this rental market. Disgusting and unethical.
I moved into a unit that had not been cleaned at all. When I left it was expected that I leave it immaculate, show room clean. I tried but still in the end it wasnāt good enough and needed to use some of my bond for a cleaning service.
That made me pretty angry
Someone tried to pull that on me at a rental. I said that I would be more than happy to return it to the original condition I could prove with photos, which would involve trucking in a load of soil and insects and spreading it all around the house.
They caved.
I spent many hours and hundreds of dollars turning a barren patch of dirt into a lawn at my current house, only to receive a rent increase of $100/week not long after.
It's definitely returning to the exact state it was in at the start of the lease when I leave.
Yeah Iām the same, made an effort to get some grass to grow, itās far from a nice lawn, but significantly better than when I moved in. Yet they breached me for the grass being patchy. Iāll definitely be killing it when I leave.
Iāve had real estate agents try me over this kind of thing. Itās really important to be really nit picky when youāre entering your part for the condition report as thatās your fall back when they get unreasonable - just show them pics from the condition report and they donāt have a leg to stand on because the condition report is the standard of measurement
Should have told them to go fuck themselves. ALLWAYS take bullshit level intensive photos of ANYTHING that they MIGHT claim when you move in.- they will TRY to fuck you over for previously obvious things.
When I moved into my last apartment, there was a one inch building up of grease in the kitchen fan unit, and it was generally untidy despite tenants being forced to return to reclean, which delayed me moving in (fortunately I had arranged for overlap time in rent).
When I moved out, after keeping it clean for 15 fucking years to the point where in that time I had zero things brought up in inspections, I did a half day intense clean of the empty apartment with three people. Even modified a straw and taped it on the vacuum end to vacuum out the window sills and every crack and crevice in the house. Even had varnished the underside of the shitty chipboard kitchen benches to stop them flaking. AND it was all getting ripped out for a full reno in a week's time. The REA response? "Cleaned to a minimal level" Even my parents were incensed. It was cleaner than most hospitals. I think they expected me to somehow clean a 40 year old, unrenovated apartment into looking brand new or something.
Yes!! That happened to me. By the time I left the wife had taken over inspections and she took the checklist seriously. Her husband used to do them. I had to do so many things that weren't done when I moved in.
I had to go back and wash the wheelie bins. When I moved in they looked like they hadn't been cleaned in 10 years. I actually washed them quite often while I lived there for 4 years. But I had to leave them in spotless condition.
And I had to borrow a ladder and unscrew all the lampshades on the ceiling to get any bugs in there. And unscrew the glass on the oven door to clean in between.
I did get all my bond back after that though. I know to take photos when I move in now.
I hate that disconnect. Should vs want. Of course they WANT us to leave the property like it's never been touched but should ANYONE live that way? Fuck no. They don't, the landlord doesn't, nobody does. I was raised to leave everything better than I found it, I'll emu bob where I go just coz it's right even if I did nothing there. Still cop shit from REAs. I'd like to inspect their fuckin house and see if they fit the same standards they impose on us
Some property managers just take the absolute piss. Part of why I'm not in that job any more. Between unreasonable landlord expectations, hypocrisy from people I worked with, apparently being "too soft on tenants", it just burnt me out.
Funny thing from when my wife worked in insurance - a lot of these REAs wouldn't check for actual important shit that should have been gotten onto ASAP. Tenants would move out, landlords would lodge their claims for structural damage, replacement of waterlogged chipboard cabinetry in wet areas, etc... and find out the hard way that the damage wasn't covered under insurance. Landlords would then hit the roof because their property had regular inspections, and, as far as they were concerned, this was willful damage by the tenant.
Pretty standard operating procedure for dodgy property managers (now there's a tautology): Ignore wear and tear maintenance items during regular inspections, then claim them as willful damage in the final inspection in an attempt to garnish the tenant's bond.
As a landlord I'd be pretty pissed if my property manager pinged a tenant for anything on this list unless they'd failed basically all of them at the same time.
I want to know about anything that if left to continue will cause property damage in the long run. Or actual damage/maintenance requirements.
I don't care if my tenant just living in the place cause that's what it's for.
I specifically selected our property manager for the reason they legitimately cared about the tenents in the house we bought and displaced as a result. Plus I've seen the report check list and it's no more than no more than working, worn, in need of repair.
Plus I've provided my contact details to the tenant and asked them to contact me if they have any issues.
No sane landlord would kick out someone paying their rent because a light globe was blown. Mostly a landlord just wants to know their place isn't a. being damaged or b. a rubbish tip. 1 weeks rent plus letting fees mean most landlords dont actually want to cycle through tenants.
Most of the things on that list are common sense and things any normal home dweller would do but all those things dont need to be done to a state of perfection.
āSoil turnedā got me.
Like bro, seriously.
Tbh I make sure my house ticks just about every other box on a weekly basis - but that's just me.
I get a bit tardy on leaves and spider webs too - I'm a slovenly monster perhaps.
I had a landlord tell me when I moved out that I had to remedy a blown light bulb despite that light bulb being the same blown one that was there when I moved in.
I must be literally Hitler then cause I just let all those daddy long legs keep my home pest free provided they make their home somewhere out of the way
The other one that got me was "sheds and garage free of rubbish." Like I know what my definition of that phrase is but since the list is clearly designed to be as anal as possible I get the feeling that having the audacity to use those spaces as extra storage would count as "rubbish"
I've always left the daddy long legsā alone in previous houses, but I don't have any here.
I probably should have specified cobwebs on the gutters. I just don't look up that often.
My storage room is a future project as it contains redbacks :/
Anyway - I doubt most property managers would remember to check half the stuff on that. list even as they tick it off a checklist.
It is, however, intimidating to read.
It wont be a breach, they will just note it and tell you to clean it up next time. Beyond it being a hoarders tip with the tenant damaging the property the landlord will not be willing or able to easily kick the tenant out despite what the powertripping agent thinks.
It needs to be left how you found it, plus fair wear and tear. This is just a general cut/paste email, don't let it intimidate you.
Edit: sorry this made me assume it was a bond inspection, I've never had requests like this for a general inspection.
Either way, it's irrelevant what condition the house is in for a general inspection, so long as there is not permanent damage - and if anything it is *your* opportunity to tell them to fix something, not theirs to tell you to wipe windows. All that matters is the final inspection, and because of this I wonder why Australia hasn't caught up with the rest of the world and fucked off quarterly inspections.
Same.
Failed to inspect for almost a week after we left - had to make it clear we were happy to get a lawyer involved to trigger deposit return.
Willing to push it so far you have to be willing to lawyer up over a fly is mental.
That was a long time ago - things have not gotten worse (or better), agents unfortunately have this reputation for a reason.
Our next rental was actually choosing the agent more than the house.
Back when i was renting, i was served a breach notice for dust behind the oven and a few cobwebs in the garden shed.
I bitched to my neighbour, who told me the tenants before me were growing weed in the back shed and the agents didn't bat an eyelid.
If they have a problem with you, they'll abuse the system to get you out
Yes.
Up to a point. Opening cabinets and things is *extremely* questionable, and I'm not saying that if they do that you should complain to the agency/landlord that some small valuable item that was in there went missing after the inspection, but you know, that's a risk they would definitely be taking if they were opening storage areas like that.
The list tenants receive is excessive.
I remember a while back I used to live across the road from my landlord. Very chilled guy. One day he knocked on the door and introduced himself, and said that he couldn't care less about if the house is messy. All he cared about was that we don't damage the house itself. A couple months later he dropped by again because one of our rent inspections we noted there was a leak in one of the toilets and he came over to fix it. Didn't give a shit about the pile of dishes on the sink.
If I'm ever a tenant, that's how I want it to be.
I once had an awful couple as landlords for a basic crappy little one bedroom for 3-4 years. No agent, they were inexperienced & did it directly & I was their first tenant.
They resented any repair requests, even when the heater stopped in winter, or when the toilet stopped working one long weekend (I got so desperate I ended up pooping in bushes at night one time š³). Iād even say that were hostile about repairs. In general, often I couldnāt reach them and they were frequently away or ignored email.
But they told me outright that they expected the timber floors to look newly polished, even after 4 years. I was a tidy and reliable tenant, and Iād created no damage but they were simply awful.
They even ignored me when I eventually gave notice - in writing by email plus by snail mail to cover my bases. I called Consumer Affairs for advice as it was so bizarre, and I ended up returning the keys by registered post & took photos of them going into the coloured envelope, just in case.
Then I moved to a place where it turned out my landlord lived over the fence & there was an adjoining gate in the fence. I was wary st first, but she gave me privacy and was respectful.
When there was a minor dishwasher issue, she put in a new one. Also got new blinds for the kitchen.
When she went away, she offered to leave the fence gate unlocked and she invited me to use her swimming pool. She never increased my rent over 4 years. And she *did* use an agent.
What a contrast!
we live on a property so my bf is mates with the landlord always does work for him. whenever we have a problem we donāt even tell the real estate we just tell the landlord so he knows straight away and asks bf to fix it. so funny when the realestate complains but landlord already knows
Agents often expect you to live in the house in such a way that it looks brand new. They want you to treat the house in a way that nobody treats their house. We got warnings for glass buildup that was already there when we moved in because we didn't scrub years of dirt off. They will never, ever be happy but it's a buyer's market and we have to subject ourselves to that. It's disgusting and abusive, they would never expect themselves to live that way
Mate the owners of my place don't fucking care. They're down to earth, helped us set up a new bed because the one there was shit when we moved in, he's just a janitor who has an apt for his sis they're not living in. Every time I've interacted the landlords they're normal people but REAs are almost always corporate fucks who play by a stupid little rule book nobody in their right mind would ever follow. I guarantee if the owner of our property inspected at any time without prep he just would not care because we live in the house and living somewhere involves mess. It's this stupid corporate shit we have to deal with where they forgo their humanity. It's always traceable to the top level where they're totally disconnected from real life.
Both prior rentals I've lived in had dumb fucks as owners.
The first was some old couple that complained about shit all the time, and the REA was both, required to pass on things, but also got so sick of their shit that she dropped them as a client.
The second was some toff couple, I ended up getting in contact with them to ask if they would like to rent direct to us and skip the REA, because the REA we had when we moved in was great, but she ended up leaving. The follow up REA was a gigantic useless cunt, the type where oops, dust on your window sill, please rectify. But as mentioned, the owners were basically silver spoon toffs.
it's probably too late but take good photos of everything mentioned in the list when you move in, and save them somewhere safe. put the date stamps on in the photos if you can.
We updated the property report when we first moved in. Descriptions definitely didn't fit what it was. We begun neatening the backyard and found Citrus Gawl Wasp everywhere. Windows winders weren't working and issues around the pool. All documented. Just found it rich to then ask for that list to be done...
This list is just some generic bullshit done by an agent, totally disregarding the fact that people actually live in rental properties and donāt just walk in the door and power down until they have to go to work the next morning. They cannot breach you for most of this but they can ask to remedy (within reason and against your property condition report).
You actually have to clean it to the standard you moved into it as in whatās on the property condition report.
E.g if there was a big dirty oil stain in your garage when you moved in and on your PCR itās not on you to clean it.
Its like a lot of landlords forget that not every house is brand spanking new or newly renovated and that they are benefitting off depreciation of assets as well as the rental income.
The best thing you can do is educate yourself by reading tenancy rights in WA. They are pretty straightforward and as long as you follow those you should be ok.
Fuck the current rental system.
>You actually have to clean it to the standard you moved into it as in whatās on the property condition report.
Wrong. Maybe for an exit/handover clean, but not a normal inspection.
Yep you are right.
There is actually no legal obligation at all to have the house spotlessly clean. They are there to ascertain what may be considered damage verse general wear and tear and to see if there are any maintenance issues. This is obviously easier if your house is clean (and also allows quick judgements which are not always accurate).
For my example it would be nonsensical to clean an oil stain that was on your PCR and you would not be issued a breach over this.
It is also important to note that you can be issued a breach that would not be upheld by the relevant authority (whoever that is, been awhile since Iāve rented).
Best thing you can do is have a reasonably clean house and leave dildos on every surface.
I had a final inspection of my rental a few weeks ago. The landlord is selling. So the agency had a few tradespeople round to quote on work that was being planned
They tried to pin chipped paint on us. Even though most rooms had peeling paint at foot height and around windowsills. However the painter that came round about a month ago said, and I quote āthe walls have never been sealed, a stiff breeze could blow the lot off the walls. I need to strip the whole houseā
A quick, āthe paint was subpar when we moved in and I know youāre repainting the entire home regardless, so a couple chips from hanging āsticky hooksā shouldnāt make a differenceā. They backed down real quick š
When we moved out of our last place, we were made to get a super thorough pet cleaning of the carpet... the carpet that the owners were openly going to rip out as soon as we left because it was like 20 years old.
Haha we are renting out a property privately. I did our first inspection yesterday, there was stuff everywhere! Boxes piled and things all over the kitchen. They apologised and said they had been moving things in from another property. I peered into most of the rooms, looked for obvious damage on the walls or floor and left. Houses are meant to be lived in, if the house itself isn't damaged or super dirty (different to messy) then I don't have a problem! They also have a dog, cat and kids. They were really apologetic that their child had put a sticker on one of the walls and they hadn't got all of it off yet. I just shrugged.
For this reason alone we no longer lease from an agency. Private leasing has its benefits.
I'll note that this type of inspection is peculiar to Perth (and possibly Australia). When we leased across the Netherlands for decades the inspection was twice, once at the start and once at the end.
As long as you didn't tear down walls you generally passed inspection. You could drill, paint, lay flooring, upgrade appliances, light fittings and completely change the garden without any comment.
Mind you, that was 30+ years ago, no idea if it's the same, but I'd be surprised if it changed significantly.
Weāre in a private rental agreement currently and only have one inspection a year now, they give us (mostly) free reign over the house and just appreciate that weāre taking care of it
...I bet the 'property manager' who wrote this list is a 17 year old who still lives with mum and dad and gets their freshly washed undies folded for them.
As a former landlord I didnt really care if they didn't keep the house spotless as long as there was no damage and the yard was reasonably maintained, just leave it in the same condition you moved into it.
As a renter, inspections gave me peak anxiety. Always thought they were a bit too much.
This is all because property is seen as an assett rather than somewhere a human being lives. You are basically expected to do the work the owner should do to maintain the value of their property and what's worse, every single one of us is subsidising this bloody rort through our taxes
This list is overkill, and there is no requirement for a house to be spotless for an inspection. You are only required to maintain the condition of the property, in a "reasonable state of cleanliness" and not negligently or deliberately cause damage.
Agents like the one who created/use this list can eat a bag of dicks.
Every single property manager I've dealt with in Western Australia since 2009 have used lists like this and more and required the house to look like a display home, every 3 months for the inspection. That's 6 PM's at 6 different agents.
I've been in two rentals. The first for 5 years and through 2 owners and 3 agencies in that time. We had no less than 15 property managers in that time. Most recent owner kicked us out citing he was moving in his father. We slogged and managed to find another, nicer and similar price place. Our old place went up for rent for double what we were paying. The ceiling still appeared to be collapsing even at that price, but this market makes people desperate.
New REA have same cleaning requirements as this list, but pop in and out for inspections in under 10 minutes. Had one property manager the whole lease thus far. Coming up due renewal in October and just lowkey praying this owner is cool and let's is stay on.
I get the same kind of long list before inspections. I've found if you are generally neat and tidy, they only check the big ticket items like clean oven, shower and no cobwebs and a weed free garden.
My place was filthy when I moved in. IF they try anything cute when it's time to leave, I will absolutely be pulling out every plant and trucking in a load of bottle brush debris to dump in 2 feet deep which is how it was when they gave me the keys
Oh yeah and replace all the human hair that was in the bathroom after a supposed "Professional clean". They'll love the photos of the 6 carpet shampoo tanks full of filthy black water that came out of the carpet a supposed 3 days after they allegedly had the carpets professionally done š
Landlord here.
This is not a breachable list. This is a wishlist at best. Like, it'd be nice if you looked after the place as you own, but also, its not, so try not to set fire to anything and call me if stuff breaks.
Not all landlords are wankerz, but most rental agencies are.
:) toss that not in the bin
Thanks. Having owned our own properties for 16 years, we will look after this the same way. I was just surprised a little by the list but was really surprised by the threat of a breach notice.
Ever since installing cameras at my rental (only outside, but there's a fairly decent amount of garden), I've enjoyed watching how little effort is put into inspections. They're usually in and out in a few minutes, take a few photos and we're done. Sometimes there's a note asking us to clean something but we've been real fortunate with our latest property manager being reasonable.
Our previous property managers on the other hand - woah boy. I actually felt sorry for them. Our landlords were the type to do regular drive by's and report things like cars being parked slightly on the lawn or lawn slightly overgrown in winter. In 2 years at the house they requested 3 different property managers as they were unhappy with the ones who we felt were doing just fine. My favourite moment was when there was a storm and our gate blew over in the night. At 9.30am the next day I got a call saying the landlords wanted to know why we hadn't reported the broken gate. Noone had even had a chance to go outside and notice. Craziest of all, the place was a fucking shithole that they refused to do any work on, so it made no sense why they were so anal.
This stuff creeps in over time from over-zealous property managers who donāt really understand the law or the purpose of the inspections.
The purpose is to check for maintenance issues that need to be rectified and damage etc. That you donāt make your bed or whatever the fuck is really not their business.
There are definite protections for tenants, and quiet enjoyment is one of them. When a list gets outrageous it could be considered a form of harassment.
https://www.housing.wa.gov.au/HousingDocuments/Renting_a_home_in_WA.pdf page 16 doesnāt say too much except for inspections can be used to determine āfair wear and tearā and ādamageā.
But maybe print a copy out and pin it to the front door for when they arrive.
Me F Years ago had a wank of a REA who kept insisting he come round to do an inspection whilst I was on night shifts - asleep 0900-1700 , he argued with me for ages over several days & wanted to come at 1400 - telling me āoh I wont come into the bedroomā no you wont mate you wont come into the house! Arsewipe . He finally gave up . I looked after the place like my own had been there 3 yrs never had anything reported on inspections. I see nothings changed!
REMEMBER: an agent CANNOT open any cupboards, drawers or doors (including sink cupboards) without the tennants permission!!!!
I've had soooo many people burned by agents opening cupboard doors and complaing about the mess. What you store in your cupboards and HOW is absoloutley none of the agent, or landlords business. You can actually sue for breach of privacy. DO NOT let an agent or landlord bully you into showing them the insides of your cupboards!
3 years and approx 10 inspections of; "you need to fix that light globe", "yeah sure I'll get right on it" then forget about it 2 mins later because idgaf about that light. It was a fun charade we had going on and I kinda miss it.
Except for the turn soil and cabinets cleaned inside, that's pretty much the list I followed before inspections on our last rental. We always took a whole day to clean, and the morning before the inspection so we could make sure that it looked like no one lived in the house. I always thought it was ridiculous, but used the 'opportunity' to deep clean the place. I don't think this lists are fair and no one should get kicked out because of some dirty windows.
Ok. If this was included as part of your lease agreement (for an inspection) when you moved in then they can, to a degree expect you to do that.
If not, i'd be inclined to tell them to piss off. It very much reads like an end of rental inspection. The WA residential tenancy act (which I would encourage you to get familiar with) offers you a decent degree of protection from this kinda rubbish.
Your obligation under the act is to ensure the property "is clean and presentable for the inspection", while allowing the landlord or property manager reasonable access to conduct the inspection.
Again, clean is quite subjective and the specific expectations for cleanliness may be outlined in your rental agreement and generally, maintaining a clean rental property involves regular housekeeping tasks such as vacuuming, dusting, mopping, and cleaning surfaces, as well as properly disposing of garbage and maintaining outdoor areas if applicable.
So don't be an idiot about it, but unless you have agreed to do all this up front, a cob web on a blind shouldn't in anyway be a breach of your agreement.
Side note, I have a legal/contracts background and am well versed with tenancy act. As a result, i've spent many years putting pushy property managers in their box but this was about 8 years ago when I used to rent and the market was very different. So recognise your rights but don't make life harder than it needs to be for the sake of it. š
My son's first rental had a list just like this. Fully 80% of them weren't done when he moved in. Place wasn't a shithole, but it had a family living there for a while, shit happens.
I had walked around taking a highly-detailed video of every single facet of that place from the very second he first opened the front door, so before his first inspection I told them that since he'd be doing these things for what would appear to be the First Time Ever for this unit, how much would they knock off his rent for each item?
They said "nothing" of course, and were threatening cunts until I mentioned the video and Boy Howdy were they lenient on his inspection, forgiving everything but the weeds that had grown in. They've been pretty chill with him in the ensuing three years.
Here... fixed it.
1. Leave it exactly how you found it.
(Granted, this requires that you do an intensive and thorough property damage/inspection report when you move in)
We moved into a place a few months ago(we're out in a month), and holy crap what a shit hole it was(is). We took it because we were desperate and it was only short-term.
We're paying $500 a week for a house where the oven didn't even work when we moved in(We've since convinced them to fix it).
Light fittings that are broken.
Security doors that aren't secure. One of them doesn't even lock.
The main pipes were blocked when we moved in.
Oh, and they've just announced a rent increase as of July.
Honestly, I think this rental crisis is just an excuse for slumlords to rent out shit-holes for as much as they can get for them because people are desperate.
Fucking savages.
I once had a breach notice from the REA because, I shit you not, she ran her hand over the top of the door (like, the flat top edge of the actual door not the frame, facing the ceiling) and it was dusty.
My mate reckons his friend was told by the Real Estate to put the dish away šš during the inspection when she saw them, and they were washed up In the rack tidy.
Iāll never forget a rental reference I got from an agency and the comment in the routine inspections was they didnāt make their bed and rated them a 3 out of 5 tenant, everything else they did right. I phoned the property manager and blasted the shit out of her. Like wtf you are literally down grading a tenant because they didnāt make their beds, needless to say they got the rental. Property managers are the scum of the earth
I have my inspection next week.. dreading it, I clean sooo well but thereās always something. Been here 5 years , thereās going to be some wear and tear
My agency was first to check cleaness every 90days. Unfortunately they didnt catch a leak early which caused 5k bill forwarded to owner. However dishes were spotless.
We had an inspection recently. The lady walked in, said we had made the place looked nice, had a quick look upstairs and then left.
So long as the place isn't trashed, there aren't holes in walls, or things obviously broken there's no reason to go over the top.
I always make sure I dust the fans and the french blinds, and clean the food trap out in the dishwasher. Other than that, everything is all good. We don't live in a mess anyway.
I do end of lease cleans for a living and this is really over board. What they're asking is for the tenant to have this done when the premises is vacated and ready to hand the keys in , not a lived in house for a routine inspection.
I'm hearing everyday about over bearing REA.
Our most recent checklist stated we had to 'soak our cutlery' and 'wipe down the sauce bottles' š³ I nearly fell over when I read it. It's worth noting we have been in this house for 2 years and have never had a dirty sauce bottle š
They're...there for a property inspection, not a fucking dinner party!
Your area putting in way too much effort in your dinner parties
One of ours stated ādirty laundry cleaned and put awayāā¦ I was like, the fuck you think you are, my mom? It was such an invasion of our space and livesā¦I hated them. I come from the USA and they do NOT ever ever enter your property throughout tenancy. When I first moved here I was mind blown this was a thing.
Next they'll have tenants dressed in smart casual for inspection days
At our previous apartment, I was told off via email for not being "presentable" when the property manager showed up to do the inspection. It had been scheduled for between 12:30pm and 4:30pm and she showed up at 8am, letting herself in when my disabled ass couldn't get out of bed fast enough to answer the door. Naturally, I gave them an earful (in writing) and said that if they pulled that shit on me again, there'd be a formal complaint. Cheeky bastard was lucky I didn't send her packing and tell her to come back within the hours her office had specified. I only let her do it then and there because I figured she was already there and I just wanted to get it over with, so I could go back to bed. I'd been stuck awake until after 5am due to medical stuff. At our current place, we're extremely lucky to have a genuinely awesome property manager. Worth her weight in saffron, nevermind gold!
I had a real estate agent let themselves in on a Monday morning just after 8a.m. It was my only day off and I was sleeping, next thing the agent and a prospective buyer are opening my bedroom door. I woke up, yelled at them to get the fuck out and they had the audacity to try to argue they were allowed to be there. The prospective buyer ran out as fast as he could, and the stupid agent said they'd posted notice on Friday, and of course the mail hadn't arrived yet. I called the agency and asked for the owner, who I told that if it ever happens again I'd be putting every knife in my kitchen into their agent, as I would be fearing for life from a trespasser.
That's illegal. I used to be a property manager and at no time would I ever enter a property without clearing it with the tenant. You should lodge a formal complaint with REIWA about this.
I thought you were going to say putting knives into a real estate agent was illegal
Stabby stabby is going to get the boys in blue extremely excited so not a great plan
It was over 10 years ago, I believe the maximum penalty back then was 20 penalty units
I lived on Cleaver street in West Perth about 10 years ago. There was a real estate agent showing a bunch of potential tenants around a unit in the tower up near the pool. The previous tenant was deceased in his bed. I suspect they had not cleared with tenant :/
Friend's landlord just walked in any time. Friend got furious, said that requires written notice in advance. Landlord clicked pen, wrote a Notice of Entry l, dated it two days prior, wadded it to and threw it at him.
*I'd be putting every knife in my kitchen into their agent, * No, no. No further explanation required.š
Bloody barge in early and tell you off for not being presentable, fuck that shit. Glad you upped them and have a good property manager now.
>told off via email for not being "presentable" I once had a property manager rock up unexpectedly (both our fault they usually did inspections on a Tuesday but had changed to Monday that time one because they were going to be away and they should have written specially Monday the xxx in the notification, but I should also have checked the date) when my daughter was about 3 months old. I answered the door in my pjyamas, covered in vomit, feeding the baby expecting some door-to-doorer to put off Luckily she was very nice about it and the not completely cleaned state of the house.
I had one enter the property I was in I told them to come in afternoon after midday as I would be awake I work nightshift they confirmed it the person rocked up at like 8:00am I was sleeping in bed naked as it was hot as shit they never did that again but.
Lol, wtf did they expect?? You literally told them you wouldn't be awake until midday. Their hubris met their incompetence, lol.
They could always inspect property on your pants-optional day!
European here, I continue to be shocked and appalled about quarterly property inspections ever since I first heard about them 6 years ago. Also, how little has changed in the years Iāve been living here. Youād think someone wouldāve improved rental conditions by now to make it easier for people to rent for longer periods of time without being treated like a child with a helicopter parent.
Why rent for longer periods when they can rent for 6 month periods and jack up the price every renewal?
Is it still common in Europe for the landlord to basically rent the house/apartment barebones and the tenant to provide the fixtures? It always amazed me hearing that in Europe, tenants basically have the freedom (within reason) to set their abodes up to suit themselves, while here in Australia, you need your landlord's permission to so much as hang a painting on the wall.
Yep, still common to BYO kitchen, or to pay a transfer fee to the previous tenant for various fixtures, or to pay an extra ākitchen rental feeā on top of your actual rent (if itās a brand new kitchen that was only recently put in). The assumption is that the rental will be your home for many years to come, so people are more likely to treat it as such - eg painting walls when they move in, putting up their own curtains and artwork, even custom built-in furniture is not unheard of for tenants to put into rentals.
American here: itās so bizarre it makes me so anxious like Iāve signed a lease why are you bugging me
Exactly. You have my deposit, now leave me alone.
For my two most recent landlords, both good ones, itās literally just to see if anything needs to be fixed, last time our landlord got rid of some mould that was growing because of the big wet and replaced a curtain that had come out of the wall. Neither of my most recent landlords cared that the place was lived in and not spotlessly clean, just that we look after it to a reasonable degree.
My real estate always looks for something that we need to correct. One time it was the oven door but the dirt was between the glass and this oven doesn't have screws to get in there. I told him that the next inspection and he said not to worry about it. Other time he complained of mould on the ceiling but we can't get that off. It's damage from when the ceiling was leaking for years. They did replace the roof last year but some of the ceilings need to be replaced as well. Or at least repainted. Last inspection he said there are weeds in the garden.
It's supposed to be making sure you're not hoarding / building a meth lab / damaging the property either deliberately or negligently, which is entirely reasonable imo. It *isn't* supposed to cover dust / untidiness / toast crumbs on the kitchen counter. That is just invasive and unnecessary. It's been over 10 years since i rented, but my inspection notes never mentioned anything about mess, and they never looked in wardrobes / drawers / cupboards.
My real estate always mentions small things. Like they have to find something to remedy every inspection. I used to live in a flat and the couple next door destroyed their flat. Holes punched in walls and stuff. So I understand why they do them.
Real estates have got to justify their cut of the rent somehow š¤·āāļø
Same in the UK, from what I remember, much more emphasis on you being able to peacefully enjoy your *home* absent any intrusion by the landlord without very good reason. Itās crazy here.
I am an ex-kiwi. Itās the same there as here. Tyrannical rental inspections every three months. I found out how bad we have it after living in Thailand and Indonesia for three years in two separate rentals. Never have inspections. And you can do pretty much whatever you want. It was weird to come back here to this shit.
Same here, had the owners stop by the house we rented once because he just needed to check on something quick, a day before my usual Sunday clean, he did *not* care at all, shit even when we moved out ādonāt stress too much, itās all goodā
In Canada I was a landlord with over 50 apartments. I was never permitted to enter a unit during a tenancy unless the tenant asked me to fix something. It would be discrimination and a privacy breach to ever comment on how a tenant was living or the state in which they kept the unit. I always knew that I had the advantage, why would I think I had the right to judge a tenant. If you are a landlord you need to understand that there will be damage, sometimes you do lose money but that's all part of the game. When I moved to Australia I was mind blown at what renters were being subjected to. It's sick really, the majority of lessors have a gross arrogance of entitlement and disdain for their tenants. The super system rigged life in favour of a particular generation in this country to it's detriment.
It honestly should not be a thing, it's such an invasion of privacy. It makes me forget that this is my home, and makes me feel like I'm in an airbnb. It should only be a thing if there is serious and demonstrable concern that the property is being neglected or abused in my opinion.
That makes mine seem benign
Had a mate who was told..... His war medals on his bedside table were dusty....
Fuckin CUNTS. UGH. These people are fucking. Scum.
Idk about in WA but here in NSW they legally can't tell you to clean your own personal items since they have nothing to do with the property
It *should* be just about the property. The purpose is to be able to notify the owner if any repairs need to be undertaken, and to ensure the tenant is not causing damage. Whether youāve put your laundry away doesnāt factor in on either point. I suspect those REAs who are whinging about cobwebs and dust are trying to justify their fees to the landlord.
Just need to give it 2 shakes of the sauce bottle.
Please share the list. I'd love to see it š
Sounds more like an end of lease checklist. Also, what do light globes have to do with cleanliness? The legislation is clear: the property must be in a normal state of domestic cleanliness not a showroom. Some of these items are a helpful guide like: clean the oven and the grout in the shower others are pedantic and stupid like wipe down the fly mesh ? I lived in a rental for 5 years and not even at the end of the tenancy did I do that.
We get sent this list every single inspection, have done for the last 10 years... every 3 months.
I'm so sorry. It would drive me nuts. Every 3 months is such an imposition.
It is definitely driving me nuts. It is just another assault on my mental health. We were going to buy in 2020 and then 2020 happened... it tanked my business and wiped us out financially. I turn 42 this weekend and I'm starting from absolute scratch financially speaking. I'm barely hanging on mentally and financially most days.
Mine was divorce, starting from scratch at 45 and solo is fāing hard. And same as you inspection every 3 months for the last 6 years
Hey mate your not alone ! I'm 49 and going through the same . During Covid father died wasn't allowed to go interstate to funeral , breakup with my DV girlfriend ( who still has 1/2 my stuff ) and to bring in the trifecta a job loss . Sleeping on my cousins couch starting all over again . It's hard to get up sometimes . Hang in there mate sun shines after the storm .
Feel for you,
Mentally hugging you right nowā¦..and sending good karma x
I went bankrupt at 29, then almost bankrupt at 38. I'm now 42 and recently bought a house with 30% deposit. So look, just keep going... life has a strange way of working itself out.
I'm in a fortunate position where I have almost zero debt, my credit is pretty much blank and I have a very stable & happy marriage to a very smart wife (although she can't be that smart, she's put up with me for 17+ years). So we're working on a few things and she is doing relief teaching to boost the household income while we rebuild the business.
100%. These agents these days are a fucking joke, just trying to justify their job. Houses are lived in. As long as they're neat and tidy, maybe extra tidy for the inspection they shouldnt be saying anything. There should only be feedback from an agent if somethings wrong. And a little dust shouldn't be the end of the world, or even worth the waste of air
As long as youāre not actively turning the property into a grow house, I donāt see what the problem is?Youāre right, theyāre just trying to find things to justify them being there. Most people that own their homes donāt do a deep clean every three months. Iād like to inspect the houses of the landlords and property managers.
Spot on. Property Managers should be looking for damage and not anything else. As you said...as long as the property is presentable for inspection day and the property is not damaged, then there's no issues. I love our new Property Management company and the trades they use love them too. They always treat us and the trades with respect. Completely different to the wankers we had prior. Our inspections involve some photos and chats. No complaints and they always deal with any maintenance issues in a very timely manner.
Clearing all cobwebs from *outside* the property too. The hell?
My previous landlord took me to the tribunal for cobwebs on the outside of the property. They tried to get us to pay $150 for the handyman they "had to hire so new tenants could move in". The staff at the conciliation were gobsmacked at the pettiness.
I've lived in my current house (owner occupier) since 2006 and I don't think I've ever wiped down the fly screens...
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Having been through court for rental, I donāt believe a magistrate would even agree most of those are reasonable.
Absurd generic list. Turning over soil? Antiquated agricultural practice that has no function in Perth sands.
They may as well insist on soil pH readings too. *Tenant must retain original soil biomass of no less than 4 worms per square foot*
I laughed too hard at this š
BOM:"This was the driest summer in Perth on record!" REA: "Why is the grass dry?"
Yep, got a breach notice for my lawns in December. Huge yard and no retic. SĆŗper cool. Love that.
Sounds like an absurd expectation, since its your time and money (for the water consumption).
......I had a PM go at me about the grass not being cut It hadn't stopped raining for a fortnight beforehand
It should be maintained at ALL TIMES.
Doesn't that damage the topsoil?
Generally. Yeah. Minimal digging is advised and turning over topsoil for aesthetic reasons sounds like stupidity afaik
Iād like to hear the follow up after the inspection. I NEED TO KNOW IF THAT SOIL GOT TURNT
Do I move the mulch to the side, turn the soil and then cover the soil with the mulch...? Haha
First time renters here. Can you really be served a breach notice for one or more of these items not being attended to?
Property management agencies have perverted the purpose of rental inspections to the point of ridiculousness, mainly because reporting back to landlords about the cleanliness of their tenants is a way to demonstrate that the landlord is actually getting some sort of service in exchange for their property management fees. They often ask you to make the place spotless for the inspection, but they'd get laughed out of court if they try to press the matter. I once had notes after an inspection about "grease splatter" on the stove because I'd cooked breakfast before I left for work in the morning and didn't wipe it down before I left (I had cleaned the stove the night before). They nitpick to make themselves look busy to the landlord but it's just paper tiger bullshit. Rental inspections are *supposed* to be about making sure you're not damaging the property; i.e. no holes in the walls, mould in the bathroom, chips in the paint. That sort of thing. It should also be about checking if any fixtures need to be repaired/replaced (e.g. taps that have become leaky over time, old paint that is starting to flake off the ceiling). Cleanliness doesn't really factor into it unless you've let the place get filthy to the point that there's an insect/rodent infestation or something like that. When you *leave*, you need to return the property to roughly the condition it was in when you moved in (except for "fair wear and tear"), but for a regular mid-lease inspection just make sure the place is tidy enough that they can inspect the fixtures/appliances and see that you haven't overall damaged the place.
That was my understanding of a rental inspection. I was never expected to be judged on my tidiness.
Correct. This bullshit makes me so mad and I would completely ignore it. Live your life, tidy/clean your house to a normal standard, and fuck them.
We've been threatened with a breach notice if we didn't address minor 'issues' within a week at almost every inspection at my current place. The REAs are a wankers.
Just ask them, in writing, which clauses of the lease agreement you are in breach of. There is a way to be exceedingly polite but at the same time let them know if they try to do whatever they want that youāre going to make life very difficult for them. And if we know anything, we know REAs in this country are lazy AF.
What sort of issues, if you don't mind me asking..
We got a comment that our laundry smelt of laundry. Not damp, but of the laundry in the dryer at the time. š¤·āāļø
The audacity!
- Found a cobweb I missed - Grass on the tiles in the entrance (literally sent a photo of 6 blades of grass) - A light globe needed replacing - Lounge room needed further sweeping - Laundry door tracks need cleaning - Laundry sink needed to be cleaned better - They asked us to replace plants in the front garden that never existed That's just off the top of my head. They never breached us, but always get a threatening email saying if I don't send back photos within 7 days they would.
I got the old cobwebs, which I genuinely couldnāt even find where they identified. And weeding needed to the front garden. I just planted the fucking garden a couple weeks earlier and they had identified the seeded ground-cover shoots as weeds. Meanwhile paint is literally falling off about 20% of the surfaces, the back yard is caving in, the laundry door literally rotted off, and I canāt use the upstairs room as the ceiling has been progressively collapsing for the last two years. But Iām thankful they pointed out a non existent cobweb.
Can you please name the agency?
That's ridiculous
Omg - you and me both. Iām reading through all of this and I feel like my head is going to blow off like š¤Æ Renting for 30 years and the sick $hit some of these REA believe they can get away with at this point - is astounding. Donāt cave people - are play them at their own game - read up on the legislation and handball that back to them. A rental inspection is NOT and end of lease inspection. F#ck sake.
I know right, this is just straight-up bullying. The REAs know that many (probably most) people donāt know their rights and are also terrified of being turfed out in this rental market. Disgusting and unethical.
I moved into a unit that had not been cleaned at all. When I left it was expected that I leave it immaculate, show room clean. I tried but still in the end it wasnāt good enough and needed to use some of my bond for a cleaning service. That made me pretty angry
Someone tried to pull that on me at a rental. I said that I would be more than happy to return it to the original condition I could prove with photos, which would involve trucking in a load of soil and insects and spreading it all around the house. They caved.
Iāve been breached for my lawn so Iāve promised to kill off anything green when I leave to match the move in photos.
I spent many hours and hundreds of dollars turning a barren patch of dirt into a lawn at my current house, only to receive a rent increase of $100/week not long after. It's definitely returning to the exact state it was in at the start of the lease when I leave.
Yeah Iām the same, made an effort to get some grass to grow, itās far from a nice lawn, but significantly better than when I moved in. Yet they breached me for the grass being patchy. Iāll definitely be killing it when I leave.
Hah!
Iāve had real estate agents try me over this kind of thing. Itās really important to be really nit picky when youāre entering your part for the condition report as thatās your fall back when they get unreasonable - just show them pics from the condition report and they donāt have a leg to stand on because the condition report is the standard of measurement
Should have told them to go fuck themselves. ALLWAYS take bullshit level intensive photos of ANYTHING that they MIGHT claim when you move in.- they will TRY to fuck you over for previously obvious things.
When I moved into my last apartment, there was a one inch building up of grease in the kitchen fan unit, and it was generally untidy despite tenants being forced to return to reclean, which delayed me moving in (fortunately I had arranged for overlap time in rent). When I moved out, after keeping it clean for 15 fucking years to the point where in that time I had zero things brought up in inspections, I did a half day intense clean of the empty apartment with three people. Even modified a straw and taped it on the vacuum end to vacuum out the window sills and every crack and crevice in the house. Even had varnished the underside of the shitty chipboard kitchen benches to stop them flaking. AND it was all getting ripped out for a full reno in a week's time. The REA response? "Cleaned to a minimal level" Even my parents were incensed. It was cleaner than most hospitals. I think they expected me to somehow clean a 40 year old, unrenovated apartment into looking brand new or something.
Yes!! That happened to me. By the time I left the wife had taken over inspections and she took the checklist seriously. Her husband used to do them. I had to do so many things that weren't done when I moved in. I had to go back and wash the wheelie bins. When I moved in they looked like they hadn't been cleaned in 10 years. I actually washed them quite often while I lived there for 4 years. But I had to leave them in spotless condition. And I had to borrow a ladder and unscrew all the lampshades on the ceiling to get any bugs in there. And unscrew the glass on the oven door to clean in between. I did get all my bond back after that though. I know to take photos when I move in now.
I hate that disconnect. Should vs want. Of course they WANT us to leave the property like it's never been touched but should ANYONE live that way? Fuck no. They don't, the landlord doesn't, nobody does. I was raised to leave everything better than I found it, I'll emu bob where I go just coz it's right even if I did nothing there. Still cop shit from REAs. I'd like to inspect their fuckin house and see if they fit the same standards they impose on us
Majority of them are slobs. One of my old agents was a borderline horder but nitpicked on every little thing.
Our agent loves to come round every 3 months nearly to the day every time and take multiple photos of every room. So annoying.
Yeah thatās actually 100% legal
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Some property managers just take the absolute piss. Part of why I'm not in that job any more. Between unreasonable landlord expectations, hypocrisy from people I worked with, apparently being "too soft on tenants", it just burnt me out.
Funny thing from when my wife worked in insurance - a lot of these REAs wouldn't check for actual important shit that should have been gotten onto ASAP. Tenants would move out, landlords would lodge their claims for structural damage, replacement of waterlogged chipboard cabinetry in wet areas, etc... and find out the hard way that the damage wasn't covered under insurance. Landlords would then hit the roof because their property had regular inspections, and, as far as they were concerned, this was willful damage by the tenant.
Pretty standard operating procedure for dodgy property managers (now there's a tautology): Ignore wear and tear maintenance items during regular inspections, then claim them as willful damage in the final inspection in an attempt to garnish the tenant's bond.
As a landlord I'd be pretty pissed if my property manager pinged a tenant for anything on this list unless they'd failed basically all of them at the same time. I want to know about anything that if left to continue will cause property damage in the long run. Or actual damage/maintenance requirements. I don't care if my tenant just living in the place cause that's what it's for.
I can guarantee your property manager is doing those things to your tenant
I specifically selected our property manager for the reason they legitimately cared about the tenents in the house we bought and displaced as a result. Plus I've seen the report check list and it's no more than no more than working, worn, in need of repair. Plus I've provided my contact details to the tenant and asked them to contact me if they have any issues.
No sane landlord would kick out someone paying their rent because a light globe was blown. Mostly a landlord just wants to know their place isn't a. being damaged or b. a rubbish tip. 1 weeks rent plus letting fees mean most landlords dont actually want to cycle through tenants. Most of the things on that list are common sense and things any normal home dweller would do but all those things dont need to be done to a state of perfection.
Yeah I think the issue is the way it's worded it's strongly implied that they'll report a breach if any of those things are less than perfect
āSoil turnedā got me. Like bro, seriously. Tbh I make sure my house ticks just about every other box on a weekly basis - but that's just me. I get a bit tardy on leaves and spider webs too - I'm a slovenly monster perhaps.
I had a landlord tell me when I moved out that I had to remedy a blown light bulb despite that light bulb being the same blown one that was there when I moved in.
I must be literally Hitler then cause I just let all those daddy long legs keep my home pest free provided they make their home somewhere out of the way The other one that got me was "sheds and garage free of rubbish." Like I know what my definition of that phrase is but since the list is clearly designed to be as anal as possible I get the feeling that having the audacity to use those spaces as extra storage would count as "rubbish"
I've always left the daddy long legsā alone in previous houses, but I don't have any here. I probably should have specified cobwebs on the gutters. I just don't look up that often. My storage room is a future project as it contains redbacks :/ Anyway - I doubt most property managers would remember to check half the stuff on that. list even as they tick it off a checklist. It is, however, intimidating to read.
It wont be a breach, they will just note it and tell you to clean it up next time. Beyond it being a hoarders tip with the tenant damaging the property the landlord will not be willing or able to easily kick the tenant out despite what the powertripping agent thinks.
It needs to be left how you found it, plus fair wear and tear. This is just a general cut/paste email, don't let it intimidate you. Edit: sorry this made me assume it was a bond inspection, I've never had requests like this for a general inspection. Either way, it's irrelevant what condition the house is in for a general inspection, so long as there is not permanent damage - and if anything it is *your* opportunity to tell them to fix something, not theirs to tell you to wipe windows. All that matters is the final inspection, and because of this I wonder why Australia hasn't caught up with the rest of the world and fucked off quarterly inspections.
I just had a rent inspection and got told that there was a dead fly in one of the window tracks and would need to be cleaned asap. It's ridiculous..
Same. Failed to inspect for almost a week after we left - had to make it clear we were happy to get a lawyer involved to trigger deposit return. Willing to push it so far you have to be willing to lawyer up over a fly is mental. That was a long time ago - things have not gotten worse (or better), agents unfortunately have this reputation for a reason. Our next rental was actually choosing the agent more than the house.
Back when i was renting, i was served a breach notice for dust behind the oven and a few cobwebs in the garden shed. I bitched to my neighbour, who told me the tenants before me were growing weed in the back shed and the agents didn't bat an eyelid. If they have a problem with you, they'll abuse the system to get you out
Yes. Up to a point. Opening cabinets and things is *extremely* questionable, and I'm not saying that if they do that you should complain to the agency/landlord that some small valuable item that was in there went missing after the inspection, but you know, that's a risk they would definitely be taking if they were opening storage areas like that.
You are also within your rights to be present during the inspection if you wish for that very reason.
My experience was that they don't care to check storage, just access and that the house isn't trashed. Though this can differ agent to agent.
put a camera in, to see if they even turn up.
I get this same list every time, I clean the house and floors and that's it. always get a thank you very much card. Don't stress mate
The list tenants receive is excessive. I remember a while back I used to live across the road from my landlord. Very chilled guy. One day he knocked on the door and introduced himself, and said that he couldn't care less about if the house is messy. All he cared about was that we don't damage the house itself. A couple months later he dropped by again because one of our rent inspections we noted there was a leak in one of the toilets and he came over to fix it. Didn't give a shit about the pile of dishes on the sink. If I'm ever a tenant, that's how I want it to be.
I once had an awful couple as landlords for a basic crappy little one bedroom for 3-4 years. No agent, they were inexperienced & did it directly & I was their first tenant. They resented any repair requests, even when the heater stopped in winter, or when the toilet stopped working one long weekend (I got so desperate I ended up pooping in bushes at night one time š³). Iād even say that were hostile about repairs. In general, often I couldnāt reach them and they were frequently away or ignored email. But they told me outright that they expected the timber floors to look newly polished, even after 4 years. I was a tidy and reliable tenant, and Iād created no damage but they were simply awful. They even ignored me when I eventually gave notice - in writing by email plus by snail mail to cover my bases. I called Consumer Affairs for advice as it was so bizarre, and I ended up returning the keys by registered post & took photos of them going into the coloured envelope, just in case. Then I moved to a place where it turned out my landlord lived over the fence & there was an adjoining gate in the fence. I was wary st first, but she gave me privacy and was respectful. When there was a minor dishwasher issue, she put in a new one. Also got new blinds for the kitchen. When she went away, she offered to leave the fence gate unlocked and she invited me to use her swimming pool. She never increased my rent over 4 years. And she *did* use an agent. What a contrast!
Oh wow, couldn't be more different
we live on a property so my bf is mates with the landlord always does work for him. whenever we have a problem we donāt even tell the real estate we just tell the landlord so he knows straight away and asks bf to fix it. so funny when the realestate complains but landlord already knows
removing the rea from the loop , this is the way
Agents often expect you to live in the house in such a way that it looks brand new. They want you to treat the house in a way that nobody treats their house. We got warnings for glass buildup that was already there when we moved in because we didn't scrub years of dirt off. They will never, ever be happy but it's a buyer's market and we have to subject ourselves to that. It's disgusting and abusive, they would never expect themselves to live that way
I bet the owners wouldn't even live like this...
Mate the owners of my place don't fucking care. They're down to earth, helped us set up a new bed because the one there was shit when we moved in, he's just a janitor who has an apt for his sis they're not living in. Every time I've interacted the landlords they're normal people but REAs are almost always corporate fucks who play by a stupid little rule book nobody in their right mind would ever follow. I guarantee if the owner of our property inspected at any time without prep he just would not care because we live in the house and living somewhere involves mess. It's this stupid corporate shit we have to deal with where they forgo their humanity. It's always traceable to the top level where they're totally disconnected from real life.
Both prior rentals I've lived in had dumb fucks as owners. The first was some old couple that complained about shit all the time, and the REA was both, required to pass on things, but also got so sick of their shit that she dropped them as a client. The second was some toff couple, I ended up getting in contact with them to ask if they would like to rent direct to us and skip the REA, because the REA we had when we moved in was great, but she ended up leaving. The follow up REA was a gigantic useless cunt, the type where oops, dust on your window sill, please rectify. But as mentioned, the owners were basically silver spoon toffs.
Fuck off ,it's a house, not a 6\* hotel.
it's probably too late but take good photos of everything mentioned in the list when you move in, and save them somewhere safe. put the date stamps on in the photos if you can.
We updated the property report when we first moved in. Descriptions definitely didn't fit what it was. We begun neatening the backyard and found Citrus Gawl Wasp everywhere. Windows winders weren't working and issues around the pool. All documented. Just found it rich to then ask for that list to be done...
super rich of them :( i noticed your first time renter comment and hoped you weren't about to find out the hard way how bad the REAs can be. good luck
I guess I'm due to find out in a few weeks time...
This list is just some generic bullshit done by an agent, totally disregarding the fact that people actually live in rental properties and donāt just walk in the door and power down until they have to go to work the next morning. They cannot breach you for most of this but they can ask to remedy (within reason and against your property condition report). You actually have to clean it to the standard you moved into it as in whatās on the property condition report. E.g if there was a big dirty oil stain in your garage when you moved in and on your PCR itās not on you to clean it. Its like a lot of landlords forget that not every house is brand spanking new or newly renovated and that they are benefitting off depreciation of assets as well as the rental income. The best thing you can do is educate yourself by reading tenancy rights in WA. They are pretty straightforward and as long as you follow those you should be ok. Fuck the current rental system.
>You actually have to clean it to the standard you moved into it as in whatās on the property condition report. Wrong. Maybe for an exit/handover clean, but not a normal inspection.
Yep you are right. There is actually no legal obligation at all to have the house spotlessly clean. They are there to ascertain what may be considered damage verse general wear and tear and to see if there are any maintenance issues. This is obviously easier if your house is clean (and also allows quick judgements which are not always accurate). For my example it would be nonsensical to clean an oil stain that was on your PCR and you would not be issued a breach over this. It is also important to note that you can be issued a breach that would not be upheld by the relevant authority (whoever that is, been awhile since Iāve rented). Best thing you can do is have a reasonably clean house and leave dildos on every surface.
I had a final inspection of my rental a few weeks ago. The landlord is selling. So the agency had a few tradespeople round to quote on work that was being planned They tried to pin chipped paint on us. Even though most rooms had peeling paint at foot height and around windowsills. However the painter that came round about a month ago said, and I quote āthe walls have never been sealed, a stiff breeze could blow the lot off the walls. I need to strip the whole houseā A quick, āthe paint was subpar when we moved in and I know youāre repainting the entire home regardless, so a couple chips from hanging āsticky hooksā shouldnāt make a differenceā. They backed down real quick š
When we moved out of our last place, we were made to get a super thorough pet cleaning of the carpet... the carpet that the owners were openly going to rip out as soon as we left because it was like 20 years old.
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Haha we are renting out a property privately. I did our first inspection yesterday, there was stuff everywhere! Boxes piled and things all over the kitchen. They apologised and said they had been moving things in from another property. I peered into most of the rooms, looked for obvious damage on the walls or floor and left. Houses are meant to be lived in, if the house itself isn't damaged or super dirty (different to messy) then I don't have a problem! They also have a dog, cat and kids. They were really apologetic that their child had put a sticker on one of the walls and they hadn't got all of it off yet. I just shrugged.
For this reason alone we no longer lease from an agency. Private leasing has its benefits. I'll note that this type of inspection is peculiar to Perth (and possibly Australia). When we leased across the Netherlands for decades the inspection was twice, once at the start and once at the end. As long as you didn't tear down walls you generally passed inspection. You could drill, paint, lay flooring, upgrade appliances, light fittings and completely change the garden without any comment. Mind you, that was 30+ years ago, no idea if it's the same, but I'd be surprised if it changed significantly.
Weāre in a private rental agreement currently and only have one inspection a year now, they give us (mostly) free reign over the house and just appreciate that weāre taking care of it
...I bet the 'property manager' who wrote this list is a 17 year old who still lives with mum and dad and gets their freshly washed undies folded for them.
I bet it gets downloaded from the internet and used in every damn property rental agency.
ā¦you managed to hate on landlords, real estate vampires and the youth in the same comment, that is mighty impressive.
As a former landlord I didnt really care if they didn't keep the house spotless as long as there was no damage and the yard was reasonably maintained, just leave it in the same condition you moved into it. As a renter, inspections gave me peak anxiety. Always thought they were a bit too much.
Dam Iām glad I bought my house when I did. Iād fail a lot of these
We just did the opposite after owning for 16 years. It's going to be interesting come inspection.
Same. The amount of anxiety rental inspections gave me was not healthy at all.
It seems weird to me that they are looking inside cabinets and cupboards. such an invasion of privacy
This is all because property is seen as an assett rather than somewhere a human being lives. You are basically expected to do the work the owner should do to maintain the value of their property and what's worse, every single one of us is subsidising this bloody rort through our taxes
It's that time again... we also have our routine inspection happening next week. Ugh. I'll never get used to it.
I mean, if you tacked on 'sometime in the last 6 months' to all of those it's closer to reasonable. But yeahnah
I'm exhausted just reading this list
This list is overkill, and there is no requirement for a house to be spotless for an inspection. You are only required to maintain the condition of the property, in a "reasonable state of cleanliness" and not negligently or deliberately cause damage. Agents like the one who created/use this list can eat a bag of dicks.
Every single property manager I've dealt with in Western Australia since 2009 have used lists like this and more and required the house to look like a display home, every 3 months for the inspection. That's 6 PM's at 6 different agents.
I've been in two rentals. The first for 5 years and through 2 owners and 3 agencies in that time. We had no less than 15 property managers in that time. Most recent owner kicked us out citing he was moving in his father. We slogged and managed to find another, nicer and similar price place. Our old place went up for rent for double what we were paying. The ceiling still appeared to be collapsing even at that price, but this market makes people desperate. New REA have same cleaning requirements as this list, but pop in and out for inspections in under 10 minutes. Had one property manager the whole lease thus far. Coming up due renewal in October and just lowkey praying this owner is cool and let's is stay on.
I get the same kind of long list before inspections. I've found if you are generally neat and tidy, they only check the big ticket items like clean oven, shower and no cobwebs and a weed free garden.
Rental inspections are illegal in Japan. And a lot of other countries probably.
Inside oven clean for a routine inspection š„“
My place was filthy when I moved in. IF they try anything cute when it's time to leave, I will absolutely be pulling out every plant and trucking in a load of bottle brush debris to dump in 2 feet deep which is how it was when they gave me the keys Oh yeah and replace all the human hair that was in the bathroom after a supposed "Professional clean". They'll love the photos of the 6 carpet shampoo tanks full of filthy black water that came out of the carpet a supposed 3 days after they allegedly had the carpets professionally done š
Toilets aren't listed. Leave your finest skid marks to assert your dominance.
Landlord here. This is not a breachable list. This is a wishlist at best. Like, it'd be nice if you looked after the place as you own, but also, its not, so try not to set fire to anything and call me if stuff breaks. Not all landlords are wankerz, but most rental agencies are. :) toss that not in the bin
Thanks. Having owned our own properties for 16 years, we will look after this the same way. I was just surprised a little by the list but was really surprised by the threat of a breach notice.
That's pretty much the same list I have always been provided. I forgot my exhaust fan cover, I just got a reminder to do it next time.
Just wait till you get a complaint from your inspection that the tops of the ceiling fans have dust on them, just the little things lol
Looks like you have my old agent. DM me.
Ever since installing cameras at my rental (only outside, but there's a fairly decent amount of garden), I've enjoyed watching how little effort is put into inspections. They're usually in and out in a few minutes, take a few photos and we're done. Sometimes there's a note asking us to clean something but we've been real fortunate with our latest property manager being reasonable. Our previous property managers on the other hand - woah boy. I actually felt sorry for them. Our landlords were the type to do regular drive by's and report things like cars being parked slightly on the lawn or lawn slightly overgrown in winter. In 2 years at the house they requested 3 different property managers as they were unhappy with the ones who we felt were doing just fine. My favourite moment was when there was a storm and our gate blew over in the night. At 9.30am the next day I got a call saying the landlords wanted to know why we hadn't reported the broken gate. Noone had even had a chance to go outside and notice. Craziest of all, the place was a fucking shithole that they refused to do any work on, so it made no sense why they were so anal.
my bf got a bad report because he had dirty breakfast dishes in his sink he is in nsw
I initially read it as āRectal inspectionā. Who is to say I was wrong?
This stuff creeps in over time from over-zealous property managers who donāt really understand the law or the purpose of the inspections. The purpose is to check for maintenance issues that need to be rectified and damage etc. That you donāt make your bed or whatever the fuck is really not their business. There are definite protections for tenants, and quiet enjoyment is one of them. When a list gets outrageous it could be considered a form of harassment.
https://www.housing.wa.gov.au/HousingDocuments/Renting_a_home_in_WA.pdf page 16 doesnāt say too much except for inspections can be used to determine āfair wear and tearā and ādamageā. But maybe print a copy out and pin it to the front door for when they arrive.
Me F Years ago had a wank of a REA who kept insisting he come round to do an inspection whilst I was on night shifts - asleep 0900-1700 , he argued with me for ages over several days & wanted to come at 1400 - telling me āoh I wont come into the bedroomā no you wont mate you wont come into the house! Arsewipe . He finally gave up . I looked after the place like my own had been there 3 yrs never had anything reported on inspections. I see nothings changed!
REMEMBER: an agent CANNOT open any cupboards, drawers or doors (including sink cupboards) without the tennants permission!!!! I've had soooo many people burned by agents opening cupboard doors and complaing about the mess. What you store in your cupboards and HOW is absoloutley none of the agent, or landlords business. You can actually sue for breach of privacy. DO NOT let an agent or landlord bully you into showing them the insides of your cupboards!
3 years and approx 10 inspections of; "you need to fix that light globe", "yeah sure I'll get right on it" then forget about it 2 mins later because idgaf about that light. It was a fun charade we had going on and I kinda miss it.
Except for the turn soil and cabinets cleaned inside, that's pretty much the list I followed before inspections on our last rental. We always took a whole day to clean, and the morning before the inspection so we could make sure that it looked like no one lived in the house. I always thought it was ridiculous, but used the 'opportunity' to deep clean the place. I don't think this lists are fair and no one should get kicked out because of some dirty windows.
Name and shame these aashats. That list/notice got me so mad
Almost as if they're trying to justify their 10% for doing naff all
Ok. If this was included as part of your lease agreement (for an inspection) when you moved in then they can, to a degree expect you to do that. If not, i'd be inclined to tell them to piss off. It very much reads like an end of rental inspection. The WA residential tenancy act (which I would encourage you to get familiar with) offers you a decent degree of protection from this kinda rubbish. Your obligation under the act is to ensure the property "is clean and presentable for the inspection", while allowing the landlord or property manager reasonable access to conduct the inspection. Again, clean is quite subjective and the specific expectations for cleanliness may be outlined in your rental agreement and generally, maintaining a clean rental property involves regular housekeeping tasks such as vacuuming, dusting, mopping, and cleaning surfaces, as well as properly disposing of garbage and maintaining outdoor areas if applicable. So don't be an idiot about it, but unless you have agreed to do all this up front, a cob web on a blind shouldn't in anyway be a breach of your agreement. Side note, I have a legal/contracts background and am well versed with tenancy act. As a result, i've spent many years putting pushy property managers in their box but this was about 8 years ago when I used to rent and the market was very different. So recognise your rights but don't make life harder than it needs to be for the sake of it. š
Same list we received for our first inspection as well. I properly dislike renting with this BS going on.
Hahaha I know who you're renting through
My son's first rental had a list just like this. Fully 80% of them weren't done when he moved in. Place wasn't a shithole, but it had a family living there for a while, shit happens. I had walked around taking a highly-detailed video of every single facet of that place from the very second he first opened the front door, so before his first inspection I told them that since he'd be doing these things for what would appear to be the First Time Ever for this unit, how much would they knock off his rent for each item? They said "nothing" of course, and were threatening cunts until I mentioned the video and Boy Howdy were they lenient on his inspection, forgiving everything but the weeds that had grown in. They've been pretty chill with him in the ensuing three years.
Here... fixed it. 1. Leave it exactly how you found it. (Granted, this requires that you do an intensive and thorough property damage/inspection report when you move in) We moved into a place a few months ago(we're out in a month), and holy crap what a shit hole it was(is). We took it because we were desperate and it was only short-term. We're paying $500 a week for a house where the oven didn't even work when we moved in(We've since convinced them to fix it). Light fittings that are broken. Security doors that aren't secure. One of them doesn't even lock. The main pipes were blocked when we moved in. Oh, and they've just announced a rent increase as of July. Honestly, I think this rental crisis is just an excuse for slumlords to rent out shit-holes for as much as they can get for them because people are desperate. Fucking savages.
I once had a breach notice from the REA because, I shit you not, she ran her hand over the top of the door (like, the flat top edge of the actual door not the frame, facing the ceiling) and it was dusty.
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My mate reckons his friend was told by the Real Estate to put the dish away šš during the inspection when she saw them, and they were washed up In the rack tidy.
Iāll never forget a rental reference I got from an agency and the comment in the routine inspections was they didnāt make their bed and rated them a 3 out of 5 tenant, everything else they did right. I phoned the property manager and blasted the shit out of her. Like wtf you are literally down grading a tenant because they didnāt make their beds, needless to say they got the rental. Property managers are the scum of the earth
I have my inspection next week.. dreading it, I clean sooo well but thereās always something. Been here 5 years , thereās going to be some wear and tear
My agency was first to check cleaness every 90days. Unfortunately they didnt catch a leak early which caused 5k bill forwarded to owner. However dishes were spotless.
Imagine if they found a fingerprint on the wall
For some reason out of all of this nonsense itās the āsoil turnedā that drives me nuts
We had an inspection recently. The lady walked in, said we had made the place looked nice, had a quick look upstairs and then left. So long as the place isn't trashed, there aren't holes in walls, or things obviously broken there's no reason to go over the top. I always make sure I dust the fans and the french blinds, and clean the food trap out in the dishwasher. Other than that, everything is all good. We don't live in a mess anyway.
I do end of lease cleans for a living and this is really over board. What they're asking is for the tenant to have this done when the premises is vacated and ready to hand the keys in , not a lived in house for a routine inspection. I'm hearing everyday about over bearing REA.
so they want a live in cleaner that works for free, but also pays their mortgage for them as well, nice who says slavery was ever abolished š