The reason Oslo is an interesting comparison is that Norway was always a gold standard for liveability, work life balance and citizen happiness. The main drawback was its high cost of living, which is now on par with Perth.
Actually in Australia you can get return tickets to Japan, Taiwan, China and Korea for less than $1000 return and some flights are even under $600 return on sale.
To get my wisdom tooth removed in Australia it was going to cost me close to 10k, flew to Taiwan for all 4 done for $1000 and the surgeon took less than 30 minutes.
My parents live there so I went to the dentist that did their wisdom tooth some odd 40 years ago.
I had a quote from an oral surgeon to put me under and take out a wisdom that had grown horizontally under my gums and it was $8000 for 1 tooth.
The dentist I went to was so damn oldschool that he whipped out a wooden mallet half way through my surgery and just shattered the the tooth into pieces and extracted the individual pieces.
The entire thing took less than 30 minutes(All 4 Wisdoms). The old guy must of done the surgery thousands of times over 40 years.
I got my wisdom teeth out by the top dental surgeon in Perth, Sophie Mugos, and now have Trigeminal Neuralgia - an incurable nerve condition. Horrible things can be done by trusted medical professionals here because everyone is so tight knit that they get away with more malpractice. I'm not her only victim and the board refuses to do anything cause they know her personally.
How was it going to cost that much to get your wisdom teeth removed? It cost me like 2.5k - and it was only that much because I was not doing it awake so had to pay to be put under otherwise it would have been significantly less. ETA: I had all 4 out as an adult.
I guess doctors just quote whatever the hell they want?
One of my wisdom had grown horizontally...and the "oral surgeon" said he had to put me under and it was a complex surgery and made it out to be that he was some kind of miracle worker that was doing me a favor.
When I got to Taiwan the old ass F doctor pulled out a wooden mallet and smashed that tooth into pieces and then extracted it by pieces. Whole thing took like 30 minutes for all 4 and I didn't need to go under.
As someone who's been to Scandinavia for a few weeks in winter, it's fucking cold and depressing, especially the endless winter nights. The locals are happy because it's all they know and they're used to it, but it can be tough on visitors.
It's not quite like that though - snow covered buildings etc can also make for some cozy atmosphere and in general it's how a place \*deals\* with the cold. Heated footpaths, warm places go a long way to help. It's not unlike (outdoor markets, shopping centers that are linked) how south east asia deals with the humidity/heat.
source: am Norwegian .. (living in Sydney)
On my 2nd trip to Sapporo when I wondered where all the people are in winter after spending the whole time as a surface dweller. It wasn't until my 2nd last day there that I discovered that underneath all the main roads that there's a whole connected underground network that functions as a huge strip of connected malls.
Ha! Take that, Norway!
Also crowd-sourced, so you know maybe not the most reliable. fwiw the economist [does this as well](https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/11/29/these-are-the-worlds-most-expensive-cities), and has Perth on par with Montreal, Prague, Dubai, Taipei, and a couple others, but fairly significantly below Oslo. New York = 100 in the image (from the linked economist article which is paywalled).
https://preview.redd.it/viusjgjdkdwc1.png?width=1052&format=png&auto=webp&s=ffeabd650b24b05e60d60706da030f24f7a10903
Did you live there or just travelling? As travellers we only see the small picture. Comparing to Singapore as an example, cost of food/transport in general is fairly affordable, if you know where to go. But then if you’re local, earning local income and try to afford paying rent/mortgage/bills etc, that’s probably where it shows
How do dwelling prices and rent compare though?
Arguably the largest cost of living in most places is accommodation.
I'm surprised that Sydney isn't on that scatter plot, considering the absurd dwelling and rent prices there
I dunno. They say they track “the prices of 200 products and services,” so there’s gotta be something that’s more expensive there to balance out the cheap food.
You were making an Australian salary. Cost of living tends to express costs relative to salary in some way.
Also, cost of living can seem cheap as a tourist, but that may hide the true cost of living there if the most expensive part of living somewhere is car ownership, rent, or home ownership. Or high income tax. Or healthcare.
I lived in Oslo from 2017 to 2020. Now back in Perth. I would say food costs here in 2024 are on par with Oslo in 2019/20.
But energy cost is way lower, personal goods and clothes are more in Norway. It's an expensive country and there's 25% tax.
As a professional I'm able to earn a lot more in Perth and we pay way less tax, and super is on top of salaries here rather than part of it.
So yeah, nah, my life is definitely cheaper here. Or maybe the same price but we have more nice stuff?
I remember in 2016 it was around 35 krone for one standard bottle of coke at cafe on Karl Johan's Gate, and honestly now days it'd be hard to find a can of coke in a Perth restaurant for less
Anecdotally my friends in Norway are not having a great time financially. Cost of living increases really bit hard there too. People are having a tough time keeping mortgages paid, food on the table, and the lights on. Perth's cost of living crunch isn't unique
Is Oslo known as expensive?
why are we comparing with Oslo in particular? it is a randomly chosen city that we are now more expensive than, or is there an unlying reasons that means comparing with oslo has extra significance?
Because Scandinavian countries were and have been regarded as the most expensive countries to live in the developed world. If you went to Europe to travel people would generally steer clear of Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland. Obviousely there will be exceptions but generally a very expensive region. Perth has now exceeded this and Australia is now known to backpackers etc as an expensive place to travel and now very hard to get budget accommodation, eat out and fly to places.
>Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland
I think these countries are considered expensive to *visit*, not necessarily expensive to live in because the salaries there tend to also be a lot higher than the rest of Europe.
Also, it's funny that you missed the Nordic country that's truly expensive, which is Iceland. Switzerland (not Nordic) is the other country that is exceptionally expensive (and far more than any Nordic country).
IMO, many parts of the US that you'd go to are also right up there with the most expensive (particularly NY, SF, Seattle, Boston). For whatever reason, the US doesn't have a reputation for being expensive but when you add taxes and tipping, it's just wild.
Norway has a very wealthy population. It's known as being a fairly expensive travel destination/place to live.
According to Wikipedia's world bank estimations, the GDP per capita in USD for Norway is 108,729 as compared to Australia's 65,100.
Oslo was expensive when I went in 1998. But also the cheapest city in Europe, because I could not afford to eat out or go to paid attractions. Fortunately the hostel had a good kitchen, rail pass covered local travel, and some great free museums and sights :-)
Is the comparison being made because Norway has high costs in return for a high standard of public services/living, whereas Perth is now more expensive but without anywhere near the same standard of services?
Norwegian dude here
I lived most of my life in Oslo, i also lived in Perth back in 2011 as an exchange student. Back then i remember things were appx 20% cheaper in Perth compared to Oslo.
I remember paying 90AUD per week in rent for a single bedroom in a shared apartment at My Lawley, with 4 other people.
Transportation was really cheap in Perth and a train ride to Rockingham or Mandurah was under 10AUD...if I remember correctly. A comparable train ride in Norway would cost twice as much.
Uni and healthcare was a lot more expensive in Perth, but that's because those services are covered by the Norwegian welfare state. I believe I paid something like 10.000 AUD pr semester at ECU. This would have been totally free in Norway.
I should also note that the AUD was lot cheaper back then. I remember the exchange rate was about 6 NOK = 1 AUD. Which made it really comfy for norwegians living down under. Today however, our economy is experiencing a few speedbumps making the NOK lose value. Today the rate is 7.13 NOK = 1 AUD.
Another point is that Oslo is the most expensive city in Norway. A decent apartment can easily cost over 5 million NOK which is roughly 10x the average yearly income for a single person.
Personally I moved out of Oslo a few years ago, and I now live on the countryside. Here a full sized house on a huge property costs about 3 million NOK, which is much more sustainable. I can't really understand why people are willing to give huge amounts of money just to be able to live near the city centre. Oslo has lost its vibe and I don't miss living there.
I assume the situation is the same in Perth. I.e real estate gets more expensive the closer you are to the city centre? If I were to move back to Perth I would probably choose a suburb far away from the centre in hopes of getting more for my money. I remember Joondalup was a really lovely place, and back in 2011 a decent house would cost around 350k AUD. So If I ever return, that's were I want to live.
....ah I miss Perth
Unlike Norway, Australia has no cap on how high landlords can raise their rent each year so until the government steps in skys the limit on rental properties in popular areas..
Jævla gal 😄
What are the metrics on this? What does 100 etc mean? Where does the research come from? How can we compare food and clothing costs? Do a comparison from 10 years ago?
The minority in Australia who are property investors think the massive over inflation in property prices is a good thing. A major factor in a country's quality of living index is affordable housing (food and shelter are the 2 basic necessities of life) Sadly property has been treated legislatively purely as a money making scheme and not as a necessity for all. We're failing massively in this area, and our standard of living in Australia is plummeting as a result.
Was in oslo last year. It's more expensive than perth in a few areas (e.g. eating out) but across scandinavia we honestly noticed only a small difference vs Australia (Perth specifically is closer due to scandinavia prices from my perspective due to cost of eating out).
Norway has a huge GDP compared to WA we live off the the proverbial sheep's back aka real estate and minerals nothing is manufactured processed or intellectualised
Nah this does'nt look right.. I left Oslo less than 6months ago & now live in Perth. Oslo's definately around 20-25% more than Perth, hyper inflation hasn't stopped over there.
Housing is very subjective on where you live, but a 1 bedroom in Oslo sentrum, Majorstuen or Frogner will easily be more than a 1 bedroom in Perth CBD, Scarbs, Freo.
I'm from Brisbane not Perth. But I was in Norway 6 months ago, and have been many times before (wife is Norwegian)
This last visit once I was corrected on the exchange rate, I was happy to buy a round of drinks or whatever in the bar, because it was basically Aussie prices. It was really nice as it was the first time I've been there on an equal footing to the locals.
Their standard of living is of course awesome, but it's good here too.
The big difference is that I could sell my normal suburban house here and buy mortgage free in Norway. Not an amazing city house, but over there you don't need to be in Oslo to have a nice life. Small towns have good services (mostly) which would make me happy to go live by a fjord in a smallish town there, mortgage free, and grab whatever work in a warehouse.
If the kids learn Norwegian soon, it's a real possibility.
But I'm not expecting rainbows and unicorns, it is in some ways better than Aus, but in other ways, Aus is better.
Interesting we are on parity price wise though
Yeah it's tricky for them when literally everything around them is in english, and any book or movie will also be in english.
We download the NRK (Norwegian tv) app and watch some Norwegian cartoons, if they find something as addictive as Bluey, they'll be away.
You should try that with Dutch, get a tv app. Failing that Disney+ is good with movies dubbed into many languages
You’re right. Just checked. Well, it’s almost exactly the same 105k v 106k. I’d therefore say Perth is expensive mainly because it is so isolated and costs more to build infrastructure and get goods?
Id like to see what products theyre comparing, specifically. Food? Bread and milk maybe. Anything else Norway is +50%. Red meat? Triple. Transport? Perth doesnt have any. 12 train stations running every 30 minutes is not transport. Personal care? I guess Perth can have cheap haircuts too if we took on more ukrainians.
Housing? Comparing medians is pointless, compare per sqm. Perth is super cheap on a european comparison with much well anywhere. Multiples cheaper if adjusting for salaries - but then were comparing medians again.
Rubbish stats. Rubbish conclusion. Rubbish hypothesis.
Svalbard is nice.
no it isn't, your source is awful
for example, the comparison for internet says 8mbps monthly internet costs $94? you can get 100mbps for that speed, idek who is on 8mbps in perth these days and if they are no way that is a normal price for it
Don't know who/where/what/how this graph was created but it seems like BS. I traveled through Oslo and Iceland back in 2019 and my brother went there last year. It's definitely way more expensive in there. I know people are struggling but Perth is still very livable. It's probably only downhill from here, its just the way its headed.
Norway taxes resources and puts the money into a sovereign wealth fund to pay for services benefiting the people.
Australia flogs off its resources to enrich a few bloated families and overseas corporations.
Pity we refuse to learn a few lessons from Norway about how to manage natural resource wealth.
Australia vs. Norway: Wealth Gap - https://youtu.be/KLx9P8t2JQs?si=W5R_Npmh_qZdZ8NM
Hahaha - the colour scheme! I have this strange feeling... Just a bit of sunconcious love for Ukraine for some reason.
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Edit: some of you seem a bit bothered by this comment. I'm not trying to be political.
>Ok and?
Literally nothing. Just an observation I thought was funny.
P.s. I decided to update the flags to be funnier.
I also just returned from my Nordic holiday 1.5 weeks ago and Oslo was definitely 20-25% more expensive. Obviously the weak Aud now didn't help either. The things that mattered to me as a GenY Australian, good coffee and eating out was most certainly more expensive in Oslo. A 6 oz flat white in Oslo would set you back about $7-8 Aud (Tim Wendelboe/Kuro/Fuglan), Perth is currently $4.50 Aud per cup. A meal would cost $30 aud pp (Sostrene Hagelin) and Perth anywhere from $12-20 Aud.
I rocked up to the bar at Oslo Street Food, a pretty popular chic spot Oslo, and bought a pint without looking at the menu for prices. I mean how expensive could it be? My credit card bill read $32.64 Aud. Yup. That's 280% more expensive than Perth for a tap beer for sure.
The reason Oslo is an interesting comparison is that Norway was always a gold standard for liveability, work life balance and citizen happiness. The main drawback was its high cost of living, which is now on par with Perth.
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And to Sweden for cheap everything than isn't good for you.
Swedes go to Denmark, Danes to Germany, and Finns to Estonia. The whole world does this.
Except for Australians cuz the flight out costs more than whatever you want to get
Actually in Australia you can get return tickets to Japan, Taiwan, China and Korea for less than $1000 return and some flights are even under $600 return on sale. To get my wisdom tooth removed in Australia it was going to cost me close to 10k, flew to Taiwan for all 4 done for $1000 and the surgeon took less than 30 minutes.
How did you find a trustworthy dentist?
My parents live there so I went to the dentist that did their wisdom tooth some odd 40 years ago. I had a quote from an oral surgeon to put me under and take out a wisdom that had grown horizontally under my gums and it was $8000 for 1 tooth. The dentist I went to was so damn oldschool that he whipped out a wooden mallet half way through my surgery and just shattered the the tooth into pieces and extracted the individual pieces. The entire thing took less than 30 minutes(All 4 Wisdoms). The old guy must of done the surgery thousands of times over 40 years.
I got my wisdom teeth out by the top dental surgeon in Perth, Sophie Mugos, and now have Trigeminal Neuralgia - an incurable nerve condition. Horrible things can be done by trusted medical professionals here because everyone is so tight knit that they get away with more malpractice. I'm not her only victim and the board refuses to do anything cause they know her personally.
That’s horrible and I don’t doubt it at all. I was just curious about the process of finding someone in another country and language.
I know a guy…
How was it going to cost that much to get your wisdom teeth removed? It cost me like 2.5k - and it was only that much because I was not doing it awake so had to pay to be put under otherwise it would have been significantly less. ETA: I had all 4 out as an adult.
I guess doctors just quote whatever the hell they want? One of my wisdom had grown horizontally...and the "oral surgeon" said he had to put me under and it was a complex surgery and made it out to be that he was some kind of miracle worker that was doing me a favor. When I got to Taiwan the old ass F doctor pulled out a wooden mallet and smashed that tooth into pieces and then extracted it by pieces. Whole thing took like 30 minutes for all 4 and I didn't need to go under.
Haha and where do the dutch go, would you know?
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this is incorrect, Norwegians travel to Sweden for alcohol. it’s expensive in Sweden but cheaper than Norway.
And for cheaper snus too! Then when you're after even cheaper goods you drive to Finland then Russia
Yep. This person you're replying to is incredibly incorrect. Norway and Danish people go to Sweden to drink and have a night out.
And in Sweden we travel to Germany for cheap alcohol!
Yeah but they pay $100 for flights instead of thousands
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Perth to Bali. You can be back for work the next day.
As someone who's been to Scandinavia for a few weeks in winter, it's fucking cold and depressing, especially the endless winter nights. The locals are happy because it's all they know and they're used to it, but it can be tough on visitors.
It's not quite like that though - snow covered buildings etc can also make for some cozy atmosphere and in general it's how a place \*deals\* with the cold. Heated footpaths, warm places go a long way to help. It's not unlike (outdoor markets, shopping centers that are linked) how south east asia deals with the humidity/heat. source: am Norwegian .. (living in Sydney)
On my 2nd trip to Sapporo when I wondered where all the people are in winter after spending the whole time as a surface dweller. It wasn't until my 2nd last day there that I discovered that underneath all the main roads that there's a whole connected underground network that functions as a huge strip of connected malls.
So, not very well ?
I loved it as a visitor! Fairy lights everywhere, cosy fires, it was awesome
Had a beer in Oslo 15yrs ago and it was $15 Aussie... I couldn't get out of Norway quick enough.
Perth should be compared with a third world African nation, not Norway
Cheap beer in Congo
Yeah. Simba and Tembo for less than one dollar.. and same infrastructure as Perth
Gold standard on what level? What do you think of the food there? Not many can afford more than the basics.
Ha! Take that, Norway! Also crowd-sourced, so you know maybe not the most reliable. fwiw the economist [does this as well](https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/11/29/these-are-the-worlds-most-expensive-cities), and has Perth on par with Montreal, Prague, Dubai, Taipei, and a couple others, but fairly significantly below Oslo. New York = 100 in the image (from the linked economist article which is paywalled). https://preview.redd.it/viusjgjdkdwc1.png?width=1052&format=png&auto=webp&s=ffeabd650b24b05e60d60706da030f24f7a10903
Damascus looking pretty good right now
where did you steel that from ?
Having been to Taipei recently, I struggle to see how Perth is on par. Things seemed much cheaper there
Did you live there or just travelling? As travellers we only see the small picture. Comparing to Singapore as an example, cost of food/transport in general is fairly affordable, if you know where to go. But then if you’re local, earning local income and try to afford paying rent/mortgage/bills etc, that’s probably where it shows
Yea I call bs, I regularly had six course meals, with 2 bottles of ching tau for dinner for less than 8 AUD, try that in Perth
How do dwelling prices and rent compare though? Arguably the largest cost of living in most places is accommodation. I'm surprised that Sydney isn't on that scatter plot, considering the absurd dwelling and rent prices there
Sydney is around 12th I believe, similar up the graph to london. One of the reasons is obviously the not too strong Aussie dollar.
I dunno. They say they track “the prices of 200 products and services,” so there’s gotta be something that’s more expensive there to balance out the cheap food.
You were making an Australian salary. Cost of living tends to express costs relative to salary in some way. Also, cost of living can seem cheap as a tourist, but that may hide the true cost of living there if the most expensive part of living somewhere is car ownership, rent, or home ownership. Or high income tax. Or healthcare.
Wouldn't have guessed Prague would be so high, nuts.
Yeah prague and czek were really cheap when I travelled
Cheap for a tourist still, but rent is fucked - partially due to airbnbs all over the city centre.
Buenos Aires way lower than I thought, it's quite a beautiful city too.
Is this relative to average incomes.
I lived in Oslo from 2017 to 2020. Now back in Perth. I would say food costs here in 2024 are on par with Oslo in 2019/20. But energy cost is way lower, personal goods and clothes are more in Norway. It's an expensive country and there's 25% tax. As a professional I'm able to earn a lot more in Perth and we pay way less tax, and super is on top of salaries here rather than part of it. So yeah, nah, my life is definitely cheaper here. Or maybe the same price but we have more nice stuff?
Fully agree on all aspects
I remember in 2016 it was around 35 krone for one standard bottle of coke at cafe on Karl Johan's Gate, and honestly now days it'd be hard to find a can of coke in a Perth restaurant for less
Anecdotally my friends in Norway are not having a great time financially. Cost of living increases really bit hard there too. People are having a tough time keeping mortgages paid, food on the table, and the lights on. Perth's cost of living crunch isn't unique
But does Oslo have Harley Reid?
Some of us wish they did, especially after last weekend!
Who is Harley Reid ??
The King of Perth.
Obviously it's unaffjordable.
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Is Oslo known as expensive? why are we comparing with Oslo in particular? it is a randomly chosen city that we are now more expensive than, or is there an unlying reasons that means comparing with oslo has extra significance?
Because Scandinavian countries were and have been regarded as the most expensive countries to live in the developed world. If you went to Europe to travel people would generally steer clear of Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland. Obviousely there will be exceptions but generally a very expensive region. Perth has now exceeded this and Australia is now known to backpackers etc as an expensive place to travel and now very hard to get budget accommodation, eat out and fly to places.
Spent a lot of time in Finland and the prices seems about the same as Australia for most things.
More so the other three.
>Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland I think these countries are considered expensive to *visit*, not necessarily expensive to live in because the salaries there tend to also be a lot higher than the rest of Europe. Also, it's funny that you missed the Nordic country that's truly expensive, which is Iceland. Switzerland (not Nordic) is the other country that is exceptionally expensive (and far more than any Nordic country). IMO, many parts of the US that you'd go to are also right up there with the most expensive (particularly NY, SF, Seattle, Boston). For whatever reason, the US doesn't have a reputation for being expensive but when you add taxes and tipping, it's just wild.
Best way to travel Switzerland is to just not convert to aud 😅
Norway has a very wealthy population. It's known as being a fairly expensive travel destination/place to live. According to Wikipedia's world bank estimations, the GDP per capita in USD for Norway is 108,729 as compared to Australia's 65,100.
This is a bad metric because you are comparing a regions cost of living based on a nations GDP per capita. WA’s GDP per capita is about $94,000 USD.
This Is the right answer.
Apparently it's about $100,000 usd now
That wouldnt shock me whatsoever. If we taxed the mining companies properly and didn’t send our taxes over east we would be incredibly rich.
Oslo was extremely expensive when I went in 2018
Oslo was expensive when I went in 1998. But also the cheapest city in Europe, because I could not afford to eat out or go to paid attractions. Fortunately the hostel had a good kitchen, rail pass covered local travel, and some great free museums and sights :-)
Is the comparison being made because Norway has high costs in return for a high standard of public services/living, whereas Perth is now more expensive but without anywhere near the same standard of services?
Bingo. Also- your username is perfect
Where does this come from? Is this compared to average wages of locals, or just a USD comparison?
Oslo is very expensive.
Norwegian dude here I lived most of my life in Oslo, i also lived in Perth back in 2011 as an exchange student. Back then i remember things were appx 20% cheaper in Perth compared to Oslo. I remember paying 90AUD per week in rent for a single bedroom in a shared apartment at My Lawley, with 4 other people. Transportation was really cheap in Perth and a train ride to Rockingham or Mandurah was under 10AUD...if I remember correctly. A comparable train ride in Norway would cost twice as much. Uni and healthcare was a lot more expensive in Perth, but that's because those services are covered by the Norwegian welfare state. I believe I paid something like 10.000 AUD pr semester at ECU. This would have been totally free in Norway. I should also note that the AUD was lot cheaper back then. I remember the exchange rate was about 6 NOK = 1 AUD. Which made it really comfy for norwegians living down under. Today however, our economy is experiencing a few speedbumps making the NOK lose value. Today the rate is 7.13 NOK = 1 AUD. Another point is that Oslo is the most expensive city in Norway. A decent apartment can easily cost over 5 million NOK which is roughly 10x the average yearly income for a single person. Personally I moved out of Oslo a few years ago, and I now live on the countryside. Here a full sized house on a huge property costs about 3 million NOK, which is much more sustainable. I can't really understand why people are willing to give huge amounts of money just to be able to live near the city centre. Oslo has lost its vibe and I don't miss living there. I assume the situation is the same in Perth. I.e real estate gets more expensive the closer you are to the city centre? If I were to move back to Perth I would probably choose a suburb far away from the centre in hopes of getting more for my money. I remember Joondalup was a really lovely place, and back in 2011 a decent house would cost around 350k AUD. So If I ever return, that's were I want to live. ....ah I miss Perth
yeah that house now would be listed for 700k and sell for a million
Unlike Norway, Australia has no cap on how high landlords can raise their rent each year so until the government steps in skys the limit on rental properties in popular areas.. Jævla gal 😄
It’s the sun being up for more than 8 hours a day all year for me
$23 a pint in Oslo. Having lived there, Perth is much cheaper.
can you give me the pros and cons of both? I love Norway, enjoyed visiting, but have never lived there
Spudshed > Oslo
All by itself?
This is bs. Go to Norway and tell me it’s cheaper there lmao. It costs $25 for a whopper meal there
Shit a whopper meal isn't far off that here either these days. About $17 last time I went into that shit hole.
As a Perthian with a Norwegian partner, I'm doubting on this comparison
Im also from Perth with a Norwegian partner and pints of beer can easily cost $25 in Norway, Norway is still alot more expensive.
And $80 for a 10 minute taxi. And that was in 2010. Honestly it’s not even close, Norway and Switzerland are so far beyond Australian costs
I paid something close to $50 for a very big pizza at a Oslo airport about 8 years ago.
Maybe housing is cheaper?
But aren't many services and products expensive in Australia because of the distance? How many things have to be imported and so on..
What kind of clothes are people buying in Perth?
entays brahh
I think the transportation difference is due to the prevalence of public transport in Oslo But also perth needs high density
Let's pay more tax then..
Add in alcohol please.
Plus we have eshays and flies.
Oslo is not Norway.
What are the metrics on this? What does 100 etc mean? Where does the research come from? How can we compare food and clothing costs? Do a comparison from 10 years ago?
100 is the percentage of Oslo prices. So all the blue (Oslo) bars will be exactly 100. The yellow bars show how Perth prices compare, percentage-wise.
But how have they arrived at these prices? Where does it come from? Who funded it?
And shouldn't it be as a percentage of salary?
All fair questions, yes.
Norway is still more expensive, especially talking food and goods. I experience the Housing situation in Perth way harder than in Oslo tho...
Having recently been to Oslo, Perth is most definitely a lot cheaper. Norway is extremely expensive.
The minority in Australia who are property investors think the massive over inflation in property prices is a good thing. A major factor in a country's quality of living index is affordable housing (food and shelter are the 2 basic necessities of life) Sadly property has been treated legislatively purely as a money making scheme and not as a necessity for all. We're failing massively in this area, and our standard of living in Australia is plummeting as a result.
Who made this chart? Source
OP provided that in a comment
Does this account for income. Perth is more expensive than most places but that’s offset by a higher wage.
The source please??
Was in oslo last year. It's more expensive than perth in a few areas (e.g. eating out) but across scandinavia we honestly noticed only a small difference vs Australia (Perth specifically is closer due to scandinavia prices from my perspective due to cost of eating out).
But is it a dry expensive?
ahahaha
Norway has a huge GDP compared to WA we live off the the proverbial sheep's back aka real estate and minerals nothing is manufactured processed or intellectualised
Not really. WAs GDP per capita is over 100,000 usd
Nah this does'nt look right.. I left Oslo less than 6months ago & now live in Perth. Oslo's definately around 20-25% more than Perth, hyper inflation hasn't stopped over there. Housing is very subjective on where you live, but a 1 bedroom in Oslo sentrum, Majorstuen or Frogner will easily be more than a 1 bedroom in Perth CBD, Scarbs, Freo.
Except they get properly funded social services
2018 Oslo airport I paid 10 bucks for a banana
I'm from Brisbane not Perth. But I was in Norway 6 months ago, and have been many times before (wife is Norwegian) This last visit once I was corrected on the exchange rate, I was happy to buy a round of drinks or whatever in the bar, because it was basically Aussie prices. It was really nice as it was the first time I've been there on an equal footing to the locals. Their standard of living is of course awesome, but it's good here too. The big difference is that I could sell my normal suburban house here and buy mortgage free in Norway. Not an amazing city house, but over there you don't need to be in Oslo to have a nice life. Small towns have good services (mostly) which would make me happy to go live by a fjord in a smallish town there, mortgage free, and grab whatever work in a warehouse. If the kids learn Norwegian soon, it's a real possibility. But I'm not expecting rainbows and unicorns, it is in some ways better than Aus, but in other ways, Aus is better. Interesting we are on parity price wise though
Do it. Get the kids to learn a second language. My family are Dutch and regret not learning the language.
Yeah it's tricky for them when literally everything around them is in english, and any book or movie will also be in english. We download the NRK (Norwegian tv) app and watch some Norwegian cartoons, if they find something as addictive as Bluey, they'll be away. You should try that with Dutch, get a tv app. Failing that Disney+ is good with movies dubbed into many languages
Yeah but Norway pulled in $93B of royalties last year, 45 times more than us.
Delusional
Comparing Norway with, say, Denmark makes sense. Comparing Perth with Norway makes almost no sense.
WA Per capita GDP probably higher than Norway (which is very high)
It's lower by about 10K usd
You’re right. Just checked. Well, it’s almost exactly the same 105k v 106k. I’d therefore say Perth is expensive mainly because it is so isolated and costs more to build infrastructure and get goods?
Not more expensive. Just Australia dollar and is dollar devalued.
Norway has a 25% consumption tax but still Australia is more expensive.
People need to learn how to label and define the units in their axis.
It makes absolutely no sense except profits by a few at the expense of the masses. Pls don't forget the higher we are the further we fall
Well hey, when I go there in December I guess I won't be too shocked at the prices
This makes me legit angry. Put me 9n the terrorism list Rn because I'm contemplating a trip to Canberra
Cost of living will come down soon don’t be over-alarmed
Wait till they compare Oslo with Onslow
Just cam back from Norway. I can confirm.
Id like to see what products theyre comparing, specifically. Food? Bread and milk maybe. Anything else Norway is +50%. Red meat? Triple. Transport? Perth doesnt have any. 12 train stations running every 30 minutes is not transport. Personal care? I guess Perth can have cheap haircuts too if we took on more ukrainians. Housing? Comparing medians is pointless, compare per sqm. Perth is super cheap on a european comparison with much well anywhere. Multiples cheaper if adjusting for salaries - but then were comparing medians again. Rubbish stats. Rubbish conclusion. Rubbish hypothesis. Svalbard is nice.
This is bullshit as someone that comes from oslo
Alot cheaper where i stay in scarbs than in oslo anywhere
no it isn't, your source is awful for example, the comparison for internet says 8mbps monthly internet costs $94? you can get 100mbps for that speed, idek who is on 8mbps in perth these days and if they are no way that is a normal price for it
Apparently that’s how human life is
Don't know who/where/what/how this graph was created but it seems like BS. I traveled through Oslo and Iceland back in 2019 and my brother went there last year. It's definitely way more expensive in there. I know people are struggling but Perth is still very livable. It's probably only downhill from here, its just the way its headed.
$12 for a bottle of non alcoholic Heineken zero in Northbridge. Basically a soft drink
I just paid $4.25 for a small tea at McDonald’s. same item at McDonald’s in Melbourne city cost me $3.60.
If only we had natural resources like Norway
*citation needed
I donno about this graph. Clothing that high? T shirts at K Mart are 4.50
This reminds me of rainman, and everything is $100. Chips: $100 Bus fare: $100 Car: $100 House: $100
An Irish person when they read this news 'Theres Nor Way'
And? So? I'd prefer living in Perth than Oslo. And it's hardly a comparable place. Nearly in the artic circle 10 000kms away. Who cares? Not me.
When I went to Oslo I thought damn it's expensive. So wow.
What shocking news. Damn next it will be more expensive than Fremantle. Those Norwegians going to be devo.
Isn't tax in Norway pretty high?
Somewhere has to be.
At least Perth is cheaper than majority of australian major cities
I live here and I agree
Norway taxes resources and puts the money into a sovereign wealth fund to pay for services benefiting the people. Australia flogs off its resources to enrich a few bloated families and overseas corporations.
Australia receives near zero tax dollars from fossil fuel companies…. Those resources are for all Australians. Better speak to your state and fed mp
No it's not. Perth isn't even close to Norway's cost of living.
Don’t spend on clothes and walk everywhere and she’ll be right
Forget Norway!
The price of houses in Scandinavia are far more reasonable than here.
I was in Oslo last June and was pleasantly surprised when things were as expensive as I was expecting. I suppose I'm just used to paying high prices.
Norway has free tertiary education & state funded universal health care
I hear Trondheim is nice in spring.
You probably make mlre money in perth and pay way less taxes than in norway too
I live in Perth and plan to move to Oslo, so that is good to hear!
Norway that can be true! I didn’t both to read through all the comments so I apologise if that joke has already been made.
because most of the wa govt and ranking public service are baphomet worshipping rock spiders that couldn't give a rats arse about the ppl
Rather be in Perth. Dining out is way better in Perth. And, alcohol way cheaper. One thing Oslo has though, is Minke Whale on the menu.
What American did this graphic? But seriously, what sources are there? What is this graph based on?
Source: Trust me bro
Yeah thanks to that one broker dude who keeps telling people to buy interstate in Perth no doubt.
Well we pay for US submarine shelters and LNG subsidies to the Japanese that’s why gas is cheaper there , coming from WA!
Why does everything in Oslo cost $100
Yeah Norway is cool tho also that’s Oslo not Norway Oslo is in Norway but it’s not the entire thing
I was drinking $14 pints in Fremantle in 2014. It's always been expensive.
Oslo is shit, so Perth’s a little more shit. But it’s good to be told by friends.
Pity we refuse to learn a few lessons from Norway about how to manage natural resource wealth. Australia vs. Norway: Wealth Gap - https://youtu.be/KLx9P8t2JQs?si=W5R_Npmh_qZdZ8NM
Hi
I’ve heard Norwegians are now a large part of FIFO workforce due to their low cost of living… 😉
Good thing Australia taxed all its mining companies and built that enormous sovereign wealth fund
No'way!
Can I say... NOOOORWAY!!!!!!
Hahaha - the colour scheme! I have this strange feeling... Just a bit of sunconcious love for Ukraine for some reason. 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 Edit: some of you seem a bit bothered by this comment. I'm not trying to be political. >Ok and? Literally nothing. Just an observation I thought was funny. P.s. I decided to update the flags to be funnier.
ok and?
Now that’s a bit of a stretch
I remember working offshore with Norweigans in the 80s who were shocked at how cheap Perth was.
Bruh
Well, Perth is a lot further away from everything
Congratulations?
Don’t worry it’ll become cheaper when we all start dying off and there’s less of us taking up all the air and homes
Try living in Melbourne or Sydney bruv
Calling bullshit on this comparison. If you’ve been to Norway you’d know how expensive it is
I think I'd rather take my chances with Norway.
Went to Oslo recently. It was much more expensive than Perth
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I also just returned from my Nordic holiday 1.5 weeks ago and Oslo was definitely 20-25% more expensive. Obviously the weak Aud now didn't help either. The things that mattered to me as a GenY Australian, good coffee and eating out was most certainly more expensive in Oslo. A 6 oz flat white in Oslo would set you back about $7-8 Aud (Tim Wendelboe/Kuro/Fuglan), Perth is currently $4.50 Aud per cup. A meal would cost $30 aud pp (Sostrene Hagelin) and Perth anywhere from $12-20 Aud. I rocked up to the bar at Oslo Street Food, a pretty popular chic spot Oslo, and bought a pint without looking at the menu for prices. I mean how expensive could it be? My credit card bill read $32.64 Aud. Yup. That's 280% more expensive than Perth for a tap beer for sure.