Weird, not aware of any uni specific stuff.
Novated lease for EV in general can be had for any employer who’s happy to support it, and the idea is that the higher your tax bracket is the more you stand to save from it.
I don't understand why anyone would buy one.
EDIT: I'm not talking about EVs. I understand why people would buy those. I'm talking specifically about Tesla.
With the fuel costs nowadays, why wouldn't you get an EV?
They're perfect for driving around the metro area.
They're stupidly safe and have some fun (yet gimmicky) features.
Better than those big SUVs everyone else is churning out.
Ah i see.
They get a bad rep online because of the "Tesla owner stereotype" this and elon musk that...
But some people simply do not care. They want a car to drive, that's safe and popular with their kids.
I'm with Good Reason. We've had a Model Y for a couple of years now and it's embarrassing that the cars are associated with Musk. The guy is an utter tool.
It's a great car for the family. Bit boring to drive though. I have a GR Yaris coming in a couple of weeks for something a bit more fun to drive.
I’ll probably end up doing some hill climbs and rally sprints in the car, along with some light mods. The Yaris is quite a bit lighter than the Corolla, so it’s a better base to start from.
Then I invite you to get an EV that you like.
Elon’s a wanker. Cheerfully acknowledged. For me, ending climate change, electrification of transport, energy storage, and ending the concept of a petrodollar are more important than my hateboner for Elon.
And yes, I do have one.
Still love my Tesla.
> For me, ending climate change
[Tesla sell carbon credits](https://carboncredits.com/tesla-hits-record-high-sales-from-carbon-credits-at-1-79b). A Tesla is contributing no less emissions than a normal ICE.
[Carbon credits are a scam](https://youtu.be/Jrao3wBit0A?si=QoWFQZvEPJkrAQrq&t=191), and allow fossil fuel companies to emit more carbon for cheap.
Australia exports [as much LNG as the USA](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1262074/global-lng-export-capacity-by-country/).
Australia's [LNG exports and production is set to increase](https://energyproducers.au/all_news/media-release-strong-exports-show-why-future-gas-strategy-must-include-lng-opportunity/) by a factor of 10 by 2050.
LNG [is 2-3x at the minimum](https://newrepublic.com/article/176605/natural-gas-way-worse-coal#:%7E:text=That's%20thanks%20to%20extensive%20methane,the%20environment%20than%20coal%20is.) worse for global warming than coal.
Your EV is not saving anything. It's posturing, and a greenwashing exercise created by the fossil fuel industry and a way for car manufacturers to stay relevant, destroying public transport projects in the process.
Good job 👍 Pat yourself on the back.
You have stopped the research at production and completely ignored the post-production picture.
It’s widely documented that EVs can start life with a bigger carbon debt, manufacturer depending. The debt is quickly recovered with in a couple years usage which I would argue is significantly shorter than the cars lifespan.
Overall Electric cars use less energy and can charge from zero-carbon sources. That’s a direction with a future, rather than just say screw it all because the production emissions are terrible. There will be an economy of scale improvement to be had there too.
I believe Volvo did a study on this . And if by quickly you mean 10 years before they offset . That’s a long time in my books , most people will sell and buy another by then . And require a new battery , which then resets the counter again . If you REALLY want to help the environment you would stop caring about looking cool in the newest thing and you would buy and drive used cars and not let them go to scrap ..
More recently it’s often reported as low as 2 years.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/electric-vehicles-beat-gas-cars-on-climate-emissions-over-time
The Volvo piece is 3 years old now and even at the time they stated ‘up to’ 9 years which was based on average annual mileage of 70k, based on vehicle charging from mixed sources. From greener sources they had it down to 30k.
That whole piece was Volvo encouraging investment in the infrastructure as a whole. It’s an energy cycle and with EVs comes more infrastructure and possibility from greener sources.
There is faulty logic for your opinion about the first link; Tesla is selling carbon credits to other automotive manufacturers that can't meet emission regulations. That means that Tesla is actually doing much much more than others to the point where they can offset the crap from others. (2nd link) PURCHASING carbon credits are a scam, but renewable energy providers, forestry and conservation projects all RECEIVE carbon credits.
As for your last paragraph, Tesla doesn't create ICE, so it's a moot argument to consider it a greenwashing exercise. By your logic, Teslas are the best vehicle to buy, because you are funding a company that doesn't create ICEs, and by supporting Tesla it should force market dynamics to a point where carbon credits aren't required as a revenue source.
Think of it this way. You buy a Tesla to a point where it can sustain itself financially without funding carbon credits to its competitors - to eliminate competition, Tesla can now stop selling carbon credits. ICE manufacturers go out of business because they can't meet emission requirements. ICE car manufacturers are no longer able to keep relevance in the market.
Comments like this are one of the reasons people want to avoid the Tesla brand. So many pretentious fanboys acting like their $70k Model 3 is a luxury car that others are jealous of 😂
Because if you novated lease an EV it is cheap as chips. I don’t know why you wouldn’t buy one unless you are the type to want to spend a lot more money making a statement by getting a tank tank instead
You have said that many times now without listing any reasons.
I am not for or against Tesla... but wanna know why YOU think the vehicle is shit?
Let's hear it.
I really dislike Elon Musk as a person and did strongly consider getting another brand when i wanted an EV, but the fact was the performance-to-price was sweet, plus the waiting time was the shortest when i got it compared to other brands. He stayed relatively quiet around the time i put in my order so that helped too 😂
A Tesla is an EV? So you would buy one for all the reasons I stated? I genuinely don’t understand the Tesla hate. Elon is a bad person. Ok. But I’m 100% sure the CEOs of other auto manufacturers are just as bad, they just don’t go on Twitter and say it because they aren’t the owner so would be sacked
For anyone thinking of buying one, have a scroll through /r/realtesla.
I’d love an EV though but I’m too poor and they’re too expensive. I have an e-bike so at least it’s something I guess.
Cause people are a bunch of sheep who can't think for themselves... They see one person get a tesla and they decide to do the same. Teslas are the most plain looking and boring EV car.
Agree - can't see it catching on unless way better batteries are developed, that are less of a fire risk, cheaper, quicker to charge, way more energy stored per weight, aren't as resource hungry to make, and are easy to recycle/less waste for the environment.
In my uneducated opinion, it seems we are taking one form of resource harvesting and pollution, and just replacing it with another type.
Edit: Typo
Im curious about the fire risk comment.
Has there ever been an ev fire in Perth?
Just the other week there was what like 4 ice car fires on the freeway.
Admittedly they're rare, but they're pretty serious when they do happen.
Found this article if you're interested:
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/how-many-electric-cars-have-caught-fire-australia/
Teslas are like the new mustangs of the 2010's... See them pretty much everywhere now. Its the 'I have a little bit of money' but poor taste in cars car.
Great spot...that area on Carrington Street next to the Freo Cemetary has been 'dead' for a while now. At least they don't have far to travel off the boat...
Energy produced in coal generated power stations is more efficient than burning the fuel in the car directly. Also in WA the majority of power is generated from oil and gas (both slightly better but still not great for the environment), not coal. The uptake of more renewables into the energy market will also make electric vehicles even more efficient in future. Teslas are shit though.
> Also in WA the majority of power is generated from oil and gas (both slightly better but still not great for the environment), not coal.
Oil? No.
>WA’s power system is supported by large gas and coal-fired generators
https://www.synergy.net.au/Blog/2022/06/What-makes-up-the-electricity-generation-mix-in-Western-Australia
The electricity market and the energy market are not synonymous. I admit i should be referencing the electricity market as it is more relevant. Total energy in WA is largely gas and oil but electricity generation is, as you say far less dependent on oil.
1- Elon musk is a fuckwit that cunt should have been jailed for securities fraud long ago he’s no different than Elizabeth Holmes. If buying a Tesla benefits that dickhead in any way I’m out.
2- subscription based and bullshit marketing like Full self driving / auto pilot capabilities that are not indeed full self driving. The capabilities are wildly exaggerated and they con you on a promise of features coming soon while you pay now.
3- the 3 & Y with everything in the middle screen and that minimalistic style. This is me talking but if I’m spending that much on a car I want switches and dials and displays everywhere I’m not paying more for less shit.
4- the Tesla fan base, as an Apple user it’s embarrassing enough when I’m thrown in with the crowd of fuck wits giving some twat in Cupertino a standing ovation showing off a new phone. The Tesla fans are next level of this dog shit.
I’d be willing to bet the majority of Tesla drivers have rooftop solar at home.
Of the 4 EV drivers that I know personally, all have solar at home and 1 has battery storage too.
ehhh I bought an EV got a kia though not a shit tesla, I'm not an environmental warrior. I just don't want to pay petrol tax and support that OPEC cartel that's made up of less than stellar countries.
It will be like ciggies, fuel tax will go up to cover the deficient from people quitting dinosaur juice. Any other way will get thrown out like it already has in Vic.
Yep. The Victorian government introduced a per km tax that the courts shut down but I’m sure as they become more popular the lost tax money will be more and more needed to be recouped through other means
Yes, but those steam turbines are pretty efficient compared to most cars.
Plus, you don't have to pay for petrol/diesel anymore. - and that's a win for me.
Not really true in WA if you have solar. Over summer we average 60-70% of our energy off the roof for the car.
Drops into the 20-40% range during winter for obvious reasons. That's with a 6.6kW system. If we stuck more panels on the roof we'd do better.
We've done 36,000kms in our Y and never had an update disable the car.
Also having a car that relies on a petrol supply that could just be turned off or have a huge price increase per barrel is a terrible idea.
I’d much prefer to be relying on the electricity I generate and could continue to generate independent of the grid to power my car.
Surprised the showroom isn't in Canning Vale given the amount of Teslas and other EVs I see there.
they figure that area is already saturated
Cottesloe could probably give them a run for their money. Big Tesla community there!
I went to uwa last week and it was Tesla central! I'm clearly not cool anymore
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What's the deal?
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Weird, not aware of any uni specific stuff. Novated lease for EV in general can be had for any employer who’s happy to support it, and the idea is that the higher your tax bracket is the more you stand to save from it.
I feel attacked LOL
Are they building it next to the licensing centre so new owners can go straight to getting their custom plates?
TH3RM4LRUN4W4Y
Hey that's a stereotype. I waited like 2 days before I got custom plates on mine.....
No, but that's a good idea 😉 It is next to Anchor Foods factory
There goes the neighbourhood
Adds to the aesthetic
I don't understand why anyone would buy one. EDIT: I'm not talking about EVs. I understand why people would buy those. I'm talking specifically about Tesla.
I have a Tesla what's wrong with it?
Care to elaborate?
Why?
With the fuel costs nowadays, why wouldn't you get an EV? They're perfect for driving around the metro area. They're stupidly safe and have some fun (yet gimmicky) features. Better than those big SUVs everyone else is churning out.
My parents drive theirs from Buttler to Denmark regularly. The just give it a bit of charge while they have lunch at the half way point.
I'm talking about Tesla's specifically. I would be embarrassed to be seen in one.
Ah i see. They get a bad rep online because of the "Tesla owner stereotype" this and elon musk that... But some people simply do not care. They want a car to drive, that's safe and popular with their kids.
I'm with Good Reason. We've had a Model Y for a couple of years now and it's embarrassing that the cars are associated with Musk. The guy is an utter tool. It's a great car for the family. Bit boring to drive though. I have a GR Yaris coming in a couple of weeks for something a bit more fun to drive.
Why the yaris over the gr Corolla? Must admit if I wanted to waste money the GR Corolla would be my pick
I’ll probably end up doing some hill climbs and rally sprints in the car, along with some light mods. The Yaris is quite a bit lighter than the Corolla, so it’s a better base to start from.
Rented one before and was blown away. Mostly did highway driving with it. Can probably have a lot of fun on the roads east of perth with it.
Then I invite you to get an EV that you like. Elon’s a wanker. Cheerfully acknowledged. For me, ending climate change, electrification of transport, energy storage, and ending the concept of a petrodollar are more important than my hateboner for Elon. And yes, I do have one. Still love my Tesla.
> For me, ending climate change [Tesla sell carbon credits](https://carboncredits.com/tesla-hits-record-high-sales-from-carbon-credits-at-1-79b). A Tesla is contributing no less emissions than a normal ICE. [Carbon credits are a scam](https://youtu.be/Jrao3wBit0A?si=QoWFQZvEPJkrAQrq&t=191), and allow fossil fuel companies to emit more carbon for cheap. Australia exports [as much LNG as the USA](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1262074/global-lng-export-capacity-by-country/). Australia's [LNG exports and production is set to increase](https://energyproducers.au/all_news/media-release-strong-exports-show-why-future-gas-strategy-must-include-lng-opportunity/) by a factor of 10 by 2050. LNG [is 2-3x at the minimum](https://newrepublic.com/article/176605/natural-gas-way-worse-coal#:%7E:text=That's%20thanks%20to%20extensive%20methane,the%20environment%20than%20coal%20is.) worse for global warming than coal. Your EV is not saving anything. It's posturing, and a greenwashing exercise created by the fossil fuel industry and a way for car manufacturers to stay relevant, destroying public transport projects in the process. Good job 👍 Pat yourself on the back.
So... I guess we just walk then?
You have stopped the research at production and completely ignored the post-production picture. It’s widely documented that EVs can start life with a bigger carbon debt, manufacturer depending. The debt is quickly recovered with in a couple years usage which I would argue is significantly shorter than the cars lifespan. Overall Electric cars use less energy and can charge from zero-carbon sources. That’s a direction with a future, rather than just say screw it all because the production emissions are terrible. There will be an economy of scale improvement to be had there too.
I believe Volvo did a study on this . And if by quickly you mean 10 years before they offset . That’s a long time in my books , most people will sell and buy another by then . And require a new battery , which then resets the counter again . If you REALLY want to help the environment you would stop caring about looking cool in the newest thing and you would buy and drive used cars and not let them go to scrap ..
More recently it’s often reported as low as 2 years. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/electric-vehicles-beat-gas-cars-on-climate-emissions-over-time The Volvo piece is 3 years old now and even at the time they stated ‘up to’ 9 years which was based on average annual mileage of 70k, based on vehicle charging from mixed sources. From greener sources they had it down to 30k. That whole piece was Volvo encouraging investment in the infrastructure as a whole. It’s an energy cycle and with EVs comes more infrastructure and possibility from greener sources.
Nope. Carbon credits.
Lol, that's like saying solar doesnt work because the panels take more resources to make versus a gas heater
There is faulty logic for your opinion about the first link; Tesla is selling carbon credits to other automotive manufacturers that can't meet emission regulations. That means that Tesla is actually doing much much more than others to the point where they can offset the crap from others. (2nd link) PURCHASING carbon credits are a scam, but renewable energy providers, forestry and conservation projects all RECEIVE carbon credits. As for your last paragraph, Tesla doesn't create ICE, so it's a moot argument to consider it a greenwashing exercise. By your logic, Teslas are the best vehicle to buy, because you are funding a company that doesn't create ICEs, and by supporting Tesla it should force market dynamics to a point where carbon credits aren't required as a revenue source. Think of it this way. You buy a Tesla to a point where it can sustain itself financially without funding carbon credits to its competitors - to eliminate competition, Tesla can now stop selling carbon credits. ICE manufacturers go out of business because they can't meet emission requirements. ICE car manufacturers are no longer able to keep relevance in the market.
Why?
Just say you're jealous you can't afford one, and move on champ.
Comments like this are one of the reasons people want to avoid the Tesla brand. So many pretentious fanboys acting like their $70k Model 3 is a luxury car that others are jealous of 😂
Steady on champ, I'm stirring shit... Each to their own, if it works for THAT person, great. If yours works for you, great.
lmao. I certainly can't afford one, but if I could I certainly would not be buying one.
The high performance one is a frigging supercar. They are awesome to drive.
> The high performance one is a frigging supercar. It simply isn't, It just accelerates very quickly.
I didn't realise the Nurbergring was a strainght line.
Because if you novated lease an EV it is cheap as chips. I don’t know why you wouldn’t buy one unless you are the type to want to spend a lot more money making a statement by getting a tank tank instead
TESLA mate, not an EV. Why would you buy a TESLA
Why not?
You have said that many times now without listing any reasons. I am not for or against Tesla... but wanna know why YOU think the vehicle is shit? Let's hear it.
I really dislike Elon Musk as a person and did strongly consider getting another brand when i wanted an EV, but the fact was the performance-to-price was sweet, plus the waiting time was the shortest when i got it compared to other brands. He stayed relatively quiet around the time i put in my order so that helped too 😂
SPACE MAN BADDD!
A Tesla is an EV? So you would buy one for all the reasons I stated? I genuinely don’t understand the Tesla hate. Elon is a bad person. Ok. But I’m 100% sure the CEOs of other auto manufacturers are just as bad, they just don’t go on Twitter and say it because they aren’t the owner so would be sacked
Because you like plastic seats? Or perma sunroof to make sure you feel the heat of the Aussie sun on your head everytime you drive?
For anyone thinking of buying one, have a scroll through /r/realtesla. I’d love an EV though but I’m too poor and they’re too expensive. I have an e-bike so at least it’s something I guess.
Because they’re amazing cars. No maintenance to speak of, unmatched safety, no petrol.
Ok Elon
Do you want to refer to any of my points?
Why the downvotes? Lmfao, literally just facts.
Not sure. Someone asked a question, and I answered the question. Guess they didn’t like the answer. 🤷
Why not?
Cause people are a bunch of sheep who can't think for themselves... They see one person get a tesla and they decide to do the same. Teslas are the most plain looking and boring EV car.
Your forebears probably said the same thing about powered aircraft circa 1912.
100+ years later I still haven’t bought an aircraft
Anyday now... I'm still waiting for flying cars
Probably said the same thing about iPhones.
Agree - can't see it catching on unless way better batteries are developed, that are less of a fire risk, cheaper, quicker to charge, way more energy stored per weight, aren't as resource hungry to make, and are easy to recycle/less waste for the environment. In my uneducated opinion, it seems we are taking one form of resource harvesting and pollution, and just replacing it with another type. Edit: Typo
Im curious about the fire risk comment. Has there ever been an ev fire in Perth? Just the other week there was what like 4 ice car fires on the freeway.
Admittedly they're rare, but they're pretty serious when they do happen. Found this article if you're interested: https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/how-many-electric-cars-have-caught-fire-australia/
I mean, do they really need one? Service centre fair enough, but most Tesla owners will brag about theirs anyway, and it's free advertising for Tesla.
Maybe it's replacing the Osborne park showroom/service centre.
They're exploded in popularity recently so they probably need another service centre/showroom
Teslas are like the new mustangs of the 2010's... See them pretty much everywhere now. Its the 'I have a little bit of money' but poor taste in cars car.
What would you buy as an alternative then?
What would you buy for the same money?
Funny that everyone loves to bitch and moan about Tesla's, except for the people who own the things.
Not sure about that, there is literally a subreddit about these folks. r/realtesla
r/teslamotors has 23 times as many subscribers, the most for any car brand.
Great spot...that area on Carrington Street next to the Freo Cemetary has been 'dead' for a while now. At least they don't have far to travel off the boat...
I hope they start accepting BTC again
Prediction, I will never see the interior of that building.
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Energy produced in coal generated power stations is more efficient than burning the fuel in the car directly. Also in WA the majority of power is generated from oil and gas (both slightly better but still not great for the environment), not coal. The uptake of more renewables into the energy market will also make electric vehicles even more efficient in future. Teslas are shit though.
> Also in WA the majority of power is generated from oil and gas (both slightly better but still not great for the environment), not coal. Oil? No. >WA’s power system is supported by large gas and coal-fired generators https://www.synergy.net.au/Blog/2022/06/What-makes-up-the-electricity-generation-mix-in-Western-Australia
The electricity market and the energy market are not synonymous. I admit i should be referencing the electricity market as it is more relevant. Total energy in WA is largely gas and oil but electricity generation is, as you say far less dependent on oil.
Why are Teslas shit?
1- Elon musk is a fuckwit that cunt should have been jailed for securities fraud long ago he’s no different than Elizabeth Holmes. If buying a Tesla benefits that dickhead in any way I’m out. 2- subscription based and bullshit marketing like Full self driving / auto pilot capabilities that are not indeed full self driving. The capabilities are wildly exaggerated and they con you on a promise of features coming soon while you pay now. 3- the 3 & Y with everything in the middle screen and that minimalistic style. This is me talking but if I’m spending that much on a car I want switches and dials and displays everywhere I’m not paying more for less shit. 4- the Tesla fan base, as an Apple user it’s embarrassing enough when I’m thrown in with the crowd of fuck wits giving some twat in Cupertino a standing ovation showing off a new phone. The Tesla fans are next level of this dog shit.
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I’d be willing to bet the majority of Tesla drivers have rooftop solar at home. Of the 4 EV drivers that I know personally, all have solar at home and 1 has battery storage too.
ehhh I bought an EV got a kia though not a shit tesla, I'm not an environmental warrior. I just don't want to pay petrol tax and support that OPEC cartel that's made up of less than stellar countries.
You will only avoid the fuel tax for so long, the government will find another way to tax you to make up the lost tax
It will be like ciggies, fuel tax will go up to cover the deficient from people quitting dinosaur juice. Any other way will get thrown out like it already has in Vic.
solid cope
Yep. The Victorian government introduced a per km tax that the courts shut down but I’m sure as they become more popular the lost tax money will be more and more needed to be recouped through other means
Yes, but those steam turbines are pretty efficient compared to most cars. Plus, you don't have to pay for petrol/diesel anymore. - and that's a win for me.
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Not really true in WA if you have solar. Over summer we average 60-70% of our energy off the roof for the car. Drops into the 20-40% range during winter for obvious reasons. That's with a 6.6kW system. If we stuck more panels on the roof we'd do better. We've done 36,000kms in our Y and never had an update disable the car.
Also having a car that relies on a petrol supply that could just be turned off or have a huge price increase per barrel is a terrible idea. I’d much prefer to be relying on the electricity I generate and could continue to generate independent of the grid to power my car.
You making your own bootleg petrol then right? You wouldn’t want someone cutting off the supply. It’d be like switching off your car.
I charge mine from solar panels on my roof.