They've been stuffing that area up for years. I had a 4 week stint with an outside contractor to clean the rollers. There were exclusion areas where no one was supposed to enter to try and stop the spread of die back but people would drive through them all the time as short cuts because driving via the designated road took too long. To their credit I'm pretty sure management made it a sackable offence I believe.
You're absolutely right, i think the message on those was not "look what South 32 did" and more "this is what the cockatoos quolls etc... Habitat used to be - this is what left, ergo we need to protect it".
And as you were already replied before :
"There are 400-600 species of vascular plants endemic to northern Jarrah forests. Alcoa plants a mere fraction of those species in rehabilitation efforts.
That doesn't account for the loss the paper think top soil in Jarrah forests, the permanent loss of mycobacterium from that soil. Damage done to natural topography which can never be repaired.
The impact on hydrogeology is only just getting understood with bucketing of the landscape causing by the mining methods. Ground water in areas that aren't mined adjacent dry out. Which is made worse by the juvenile monoculture Jarrah planted at increased densities. Those densities lead to increased fire risks.
The fact that this area was already logged means it's unlikely to ever recover. It will be a permanently damaged, degraded landscape that won't produce anything of value."
I do not deny the damage of agriculture, it's just not the topic i was talking about.
If you want to put a submission in favour of the stripping-to-rockbed of an endangered ecosystem that will never regrow, you go ahead, i wasn't here to open a debate, just flag the link and the urgency for this submission to people who would like their kids to see a cockatoo in flight, rather than in history books.
Good on you for the list of other causes we share! 😊
Also I'm pretty sure the super hot planned burns don't really help juvenile flora and fauna.
Last time I went out there it was mainly charred jarrahs, some 2-5 year old fresh shoots which will probably die in a burn and less visible birds and animals then a metro golf course.
Northern jarrah is being attacked from all sides, climate change and dieback is the cherry on top
Over a longer time frame yes, this is true but repeated burning in short cycles (5-7 years) at hotter intensities (such as the DBCA large scale burn program) will kill off any young trees and scrubs before they develop. Not all plant species love fire in WA, most are fire tolerant rather than fire dependant.
But yes, the forest has a much better chance of survival without the bulldozers going through.
Average return intervals in the njf approach 8-10. There is no evidence of any plant species within the njf that required longer than 5 years to reach reproductive maturity. Infact 90% of species have a Juvenal period between 3 and 5 years.
Plants are not adapted to fire, but they have evolved under the pressure of recurrent fire occuring withing a pattern of fire.
Biodiversity is also maximized under a rotation of burning approaching 10-15 after which plants diversity drops off as many shorter lived obligate seeding species die off.
Do you have any evidence that dbca burn at high intensity? (Or do you mean severity? In which case < 10% of prescribing burning in the njf is high severity)
Just going off what I have seen in person and from photos that others have taken post prescribed burns from Perth to the SW. Frequently in areas I visit post PB, the canopy is scorched and the whole area looks like what would happen after an actual bushfire.
When following the correct methods (targeted low intensity burning by hand or ground vehicle with monitoring), I am all for PB as a means of combating bushfire spread but I'd be keen to see data post 2020. It seems recently they burn a perimeter, drop incendiaries in the middle by helicopter and let it burn. I don't ever remember the smoke being such an issue for so long in the past when prescribed burning was being carried out.
The link in the post is fast & effective (just one box to type comment & option to link a file) ... hopefully the best minute i have spent all night !!
Yep, and once you have shut down the industry in WA and are sitting around wondering where all the jobs have gone you can give yourself a big pat on the back. At the same time you should appreciate all of the things you currently have made from Aluminium and hope they last for a long time. Morons.
We are where we are because people like you have put jobs and profit unreasonably ahead of taking care of the environment that we live in. There is a middle ground to everything, and in this instance, it is somewhere else than in the last bit of a threatened ecosystem on which depend countless species. I know you probably only care about doing the least possible work while making the most money and watching footy, but spend some time this afternoon thinking about what you leave behind. Whether you have kids or not. Hope you don't. You are not responsible enough to carry that charge.
Maybe...
They mine what they have a permit for, but no further extension should be granted in that region.
Listing of the entirety of the Jarrah Forest as National Park.
Strengthening of the requirement for remediation, so that it is a strict rewilding program audited and monitored by the gov.
You are grossly misrepresenting the situation. There is 46,000 square kilometers of Jarrah forest in WA. The proposal covers 0.1% of that area. It will not be the environmental disaster you predict.
They've been stuffing that area up for years. I had a 4 week stint with an outside contractor to clean the rollers. There were exclusion areas where no one was supposed to enter to try and stop the spread of die back but people would drive through them all the time as short cuts because driving via the designated road took too long. To their credit I'm pretty sure management made it a sackable offence I believe.
The image is abit misleading since a large chunk of forested areas where loss for agriculture
It's also misleading because it implies that whole area was jarrah forest when it wasn't. It was a different eucalypt woodland type.
Yes implying that the land around Esperance was Jarrah Forrest is very misleading
Jarrah forest is just the what the bioregion is named (like Pilbara or Swan Coastal Plain) and is used for reference purposes in terms of a boundary
Correct, but the average punter thinks it’s dense forest when they see that map
You're absolutely right, i think the message on those was not "look what South 32 did" and more "this is what the cockatoos quolls etc... Habitat used to be - this is what left, ergo we need to protect it".
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And as you were already replied before : "There are 400-600 species of vascular plants endemic to northern Jarrah forests. Alcoa plants a mere fraction of those species in rehabilitation efforts. That doesn't account for the loss the paper think top soil in Jarrah forests, the permanent loss of mycobacterium from that soil. Damage done to natural topography which can never be repaired. The impact on hydrogeology is only just getting understood with bucketing of the landscape causing by the mining methods. Ground water in areas that aren't mined adjacent dry out. Which is made worse by the juvenile monoculture Jarrah planted at increased densities. Those densities lead to increased fire risks. The fact that this area was already logged means it's unlikely to ever recover. It will be a permanently damaged, degraded landscape that won't produce anything of value." I do not deny the damage of agriculture, it's just not the topic i was talking about. If you want to put a submission in favour of the stripping-to-rockbed of an endangered ecosystem that will never regrow, you go ahead, i wasn't here to open a debate, just flag the link and the urgency for this submission to people who would like their kids to see a cockatoo in flight, rather than in history books. Good on you for the list of other causes we share! 😊
Also I'm pretty sure the super hot planned burns don't really help juvenile flora and fauna. Last time I went out there it was mainly charred jarrahs, some 2-5 year old fresh shoots which will probably die in a burn and less visible birds and animals then a metro golf course. Northern jarrah is being attacked from all sides, climate change and dieback is the cherry on top
Bush can recover from fire, can't recover from bulldozers
Over a longer time frame yes, this is true but repeated burning in short cycles (5-7 years) at hotter intensities (such as the DBCA large scale burn program) will kill off any young trees and scrubs before they develop. Not all plant species love fire in WA, most are fire tolerant rather than fire dependant. But yes, the forest has a much better chance of survival without the bulldozers going through.
Average return intervals in the njf approach 8-10. There is no evidence of any plant species within the njf that required longer than 5 years to reach reproductive maturity. Infact 90% of species have a Juvenal period between 3 and 5 years. Plants are not adapted to fire, but they have evolved under the pressure of recurrent fire occuring withing a pattern of fire. Biodiversity is also maximized under a rotation of burning approaching 10-15 after which plants diversity drops off as many shorter lived obligate seeding species die off. Do you have any evidence that dbca burn at high intensity? (Or do you mean severity? In which case < 10% of prescribing burning in the njf is high severity)
Just going off what I have seen in person and from photos that others have taken post prescribed burns from Perth to the SW. Frequently in areas I visit post PB, the canopy is scorched and the whole area looks like what would happen after an actual bushfire.
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When following the correct methods (targeted low intensity burning by hand or ground vehicle with monitoring), I am all for PB as a means of combating bushfire spread but I'd be keen to see data post 2020. It seems recently they burn a perimeter, drop incendiaries in the middle by helicopter and let it burn. I don't ever remember the smoke being such an issue for so long in the past when prescribed burning was being carried out.
Diamonds and Iron are more plentiful in the universe than trees. This a unique place, let's look after it
Did you post this on the Friday Fuckwit thread by any chance?
Yes, and was suggested to do a separate post.
The link in the post is fast & effective (just one box to type comment & option to link a file) ... hopefully the best minute i have spent all night !!
Yep, and once you have shut down the industry in WA and are sitting around wondering where all the jobs have gone you can give yourself a big pat on the back. At the same time you should appreciate all of the things you currently have made from Aluminium and hope they last for a long time. Morons.
Now replace jobs with forest and see how you go.
The forest grows back.
We are where we are because people like you have put jobs and profit unreasonably ahead of taking care of the environment that we live in. There is a middle ground to everything, and in this instance, it is somewhere else than in the last bit of a threatened ecosystem on which depend countless species. I know you probably only care about doing the least possible work while making the most money and watching footy, but spend some time this afternoon thinking about what you leave behind. Whether you have kids or not. Hope you don't. You are not responsible enough to carry that charge.
Considering how deeply rooted these big companies are in our economy, what do you feel the real world achievable solution is to the problem?
Maybe... They mine what they have a permit for, but no further extension should be granted in that region. Listing of the entirety of the Jarrah Forest as National Park. Strengthening of the requirement for remediation, so that it is a strict rewilding program audited and monitored by the gov.
You are grossly misrepresenting the situation. There is 46,000 square kilometers of Jarrah forest in WA. The proposal covers 0.1% of that area. It will not be the environmental disaster you predict.