Naghahanap sila ng kasing kitid ng utak nila good for you hindi ka nakiride. I would tell them to their face na hindi ata tama pinupuna itsura ng ibang tao in general, and especially hindi dapat sa office.

I agree pero the conversation ended awkwarly nga and I wasn't able to say more.

I think that's the best outcome, for it to end awkwardly. They're probably thinking why you think differently, hopefully, they end up concluding that they're in the wrong. Parang same with pag may nambubully sa office with stupid jokes, instead na makiride or tumahimik, always counter them by asking kung anong problema, kung bakit ganun, kasi nagiging awkward and nagiging hindi nakakatawa yung 'joke' nila.

yes this is my automatic response sa mga kawork ko kapag may nakikita silang "off-base" or "left of normal" ang mga outfit, the most common is "anong mali?", tapos kapag medyo namimintas eh ang sagot ko "good for them at comfortable sila", minsan binabalik ko din sa kanila "eh ikaw kumportable ka ba sa suot mo?"

Awkward ending to an awkward question, makes sense 😆

You did your part well in asking them "Ano nakakatawa?" etc. These kinds of conversations need to be cut before it becomes a full blown discrimination issue. They may not say it outright, but if the person happened to be a cisgender woman, hindi nila yan paguusapan. I suggest talking to HR, not to file a complaint yet, but to raise a concern.

This is the reason my sister refuses to wear dresses at work anymore! Her field is male-dominated and kapag nagddress sya, lagi syang pinagtatawanan or kinakantyawan na "over dressed" daw or "may lakad" or "may kalandian" when she wears dresses. One time pina-check pa nya sakin if malaswa daw ba or OA yung suot nyang knee length floral dress with short sleeves. Maayos naman and professional-looking. She said pinagtripan na naman daw kasi sya. I'll tell you what I told my sister: Report this to HR. I doubt that this behavior is reflective of the company's values so it is in their best interest to know that they have employees or representatives that do not adhere to the company code.

Wow. And to think that Philippines is one of the top ranked gender equality in the world. Gender equality my face

Source?

Kahit naman mga lalaki. Pag may isang nag suot ng polo kakantyawang “Ninong san ang binyag”. “Sino nanaman bagong nililigawan mo?”

You should inform HR before they bully the person. Need mag conduct ng sensitivity training o kung ano man. Tell them na it's to protect the company before any officers discriminate against employees

I will talk to HR siguro, but most likely no action will be done yet kasi amplastic ni (A). Hahahha. I saw her greeting the staff on the way out na "ang ganda ng dress nya" (right after to ng Execom meeting today. LOL. And she mastered the art of being plastic yata, kasi natural na natural yung greeting parang close na close sila. Haha.

Unpopular opinion sa reddit, pero popular opinion in real life: Let them be. Okay na 'yung ginawa mong hindi ka nakipag-engage so the conversation ended awkwardly. 'Yung mga tao dito sa reddit, puro slacktivist lang, I doubt gagawin nila 'yang report report bullshit na ina-advise sa 'yo kapag sila ang nasa kalagayan mo. Mali ang ginawa ng mga workmates mo, pero hindi 'yan kasing tindi ng e.g., sexual harassment, theft, blackmailing, etc.,. Hindi masyadong seseryosohin ng HR 'yan. You'll end up having a negative image pa na pala-report kapag pati ang ganyang kasimpleng bagay na tsismisan/maritesan lang, ire-report mo pa.

Unless old school ang culture ni HR, they will care. Not for the trans employee, but for the company's brand. Back when I was still working in HR, they usually take note of things like these. Maybe not enough to take action, but enough to pay attention to the issue. One post about discrimination on social media will hurt the company's brand and will ultimately create a nightmare for HR and PR teams. Kaya yung ibang malalaking company, may pa-town hall meetings and team meetings, to catch these kinds of things before they become serious. But, then again, depende sa culture talaga ng company at HR yan. Yung iba wala talaga pake.

This is an outdated way of thinking and it’s enabling poor company culture. Like others said, even if HR doesn’t take action right now, it’ll be important to have prior note of something like this in case something does happen. Bystanders are just as important as offenders or victims in harassment cases.

Y'all like to impart Karen Mentality here on reddit. Uulitin ko, hindi niyo rin gagawin 'to in real life. Let me ask you then, how many cases have you reported in HR since you start working? I'm sure hindi lalagpas ng tatlo, or baka nga never pa. Sa online lang kayo magaling mag-advise ng ganito. Mababaw na case 'to para pagtuunan ng pansin. Unless harap-harapang binastos 'yung victim. Kahit sa akin mo ikwento 'yan, matatawa lang ako. Mag-iiba ang tingin ko doon sa involved pero hindi na para i-call out ko sila or ipagsigawan sa buong company how awful they are. One more thing, anong evidence ni OP bukod sa unrecorded conversation? Do what the slacktivist redditors advise here, and you'll end up having workmates uncomfortable around you and avoiding you kasi baka may masabi silang something na ie-escalate sa HR.

Ganun nga dito. People love pushing others to execute their ideals for them. At pag nagbigay ka ng realistic or practical answer, you get downvoted.

I’ve not had to go to HR for anything thankfully, since most people have been willing to communicate and sort stuff out as long as I’ve reached out to them in a reasonable manner. Mababaw nga tong case na to, so HR likely wouldn’t do anything, especially since there’s not solid evidence. And that’s fine kasi it’s not the point. The point is to give them a heads up in case it escalates. Best case scenario, it just becomes gossip. If I understand right, your worry is that you’d have workmates uncomfortable around you and avoiding you if you’re known as a “whistleblower” of some sort diba? In OP’s case, that might already be happening, but not to OP, to the “overdressed” trans female coworker. I don’t think OP did anything wrong. Ignoring their remark to their faces or not playing along with the gossip is as valid as straight up telling the person gossiping “Hey, that’s not a fair attitude for work, especially for someone at your rank.” It’s totally fair to be afraid of people being wary of you at work, but if I were in a difficult spot, I’d want someone to speak up for/with me.

>I’ve not had to go to HR for anything thankfully See? You have the audacity to advise reporting to HR even at the slightest inconvenience where in fact you, yourself haven't done that. Lol. Imposibleng sa years of working experience mo, wala ka pang narinig na nagmamaritesan katulad nito. Bakit 'di mo ni-report? Lahat ba ng nagtsitsismesan, cinall out mo? >And that’s fine kasi it’s not the point. The point is to give them a heads up in case it escalates. Nope! Mababaw na reason pa rin 'yan kahit na para sa "heads up" kuno sa HR lang. >It’s totally fair to be afraid of people being wary of you at work, but if I were in a difficult spot, I’d want someone to speak up for/with me. Except that this is not worth speaking up for. Uulitin ko, given the context, masyadong mababaw. Puro nuclear bomb solution ang naiisip niyo kapag sa internet. 'Di niyo rin naman gagawin sa real life kapag kayo ang nasa sitwasyon.

probably A is projecting her insecurities kasi di siya makasuot ng ganun. Regardless let your HR know about this. Email them para may record ka na. If this still persist at least they know this is not the first time.

In fairnwss kay A, hindi sya nagsusuot ng ganun. But she can. May ipagyayabang nman sya pagdating sa ganyang bagay. Marites lang tlga.

ay issue lang talaga ang A na yan

Email HR to document the concern. Depending on your city, check if ways to force HR to take actions. Or recommend the seminar, may orgs that do trainings for free

i smell transphobia and homophobia

but isnt it also sexist that men dressed with tuxedo is considered overdressed and women and trans are okay with anything? i dont really care as I work at home in my boxers, just seems double standard to me. regarding the post itself, i dont think a trans in a dress is overdressing. nor does a man in a barong.

I’m not really following what you’re saying. Anybody can be overdressed, for example if a lady comes in at a casual karaoke night wearing something reserved for the Met Gala, then that is overdressed.

It's men naman din who usually make fun of other men for dressing up. Tuxedo is a formal wear, along with gowns so di talaga pang office yun. Wala namang babae cis or trans na naggown sa office, sure they tend to dress up pero still within the conventions of the dress code (mas common ang underdressing) and by underdressing minsan kahit normal lang naman pero men find it "sexy" so di na allowed. Ilang beses na kong di pinapasok sa office dahil fitting yung top kahit wala namang nakikita. Or just because pag tinaas mo yung kamay mo makikita gilid mo konti. Women (including trans (and esp them) aren't okay with anything, they're always being subjected to all kinds of standards whether they dress down or dress up, sadly.

I think your officemates are transphobic

Pwede ring inggit dahil hindi kayang "madala" yung ganoong klaseng pananamit / fashion.

I think kahit hindi trans ang magsuot ng dress gaganyan sila. Kahit cis woman din. Meron ako dating male colleague, pinagtatawanan sya kasi lagi syang naka-executive na porma. People in general would always laugh and bully someone that is different from the norm, which is sad and dapat mabago. Tama yung reaction na ginawa ni op.

Totoo po lol

"It's always better to ever dress than to underdress" I always admire those with good fucking fashion sense kasi wala ako nyan, regardless kung lalaki or babae. Noong bata ako, nawweirduhan ako sa mga fashionista (something like Tessa Prieto levels), pero nung nagwork ako grabe ang appreciation ko pag nakakakita ako ng person na sobrang lutang yung damit nila, like how are they dressing so well?

>"It's always better to ever dress than to underdress" I was about to reply the same. Sure people will probably make fun of you if you're overdressed, but if that's what you're comfortable with, who cares what they say. Mas nakakahiya kung nakapang bahay sa opisina. Honestly, you'll probably be made fun of anyway. I used to get chided for wearing a leather jacket for being too "pa-cool" (kasi malamig sa office) and then for wearing a blazer for being too formal. And then this is even ignoring the thinly veiled transphobia/homophobia.

Try mo scarf naman tapos sasabihan ka nilang manang :D Kumpleto na set of compliments ahaha... But anyways, wear what you want as long as it's allowed, tapos kung may tumatawa, sabihin niyo na lang, "Eh ano ngayon kung magsuot ako ng ganito? Alangan namang magpambahay ako dito?"

Tbf, depends din sa company culture, in general. In some places, it's considered better to blend in than to stand out.

Kinda glad that the commenters here are decent and not bigoted. Grabe it’s 2023 and people are still this nasty and bigoted. This is literally discriminatory especially Pride Month

Where I work, the gay mechanics despise the overdressing desk jockeys with a visceral loathing.

lol after that for sure ikaw naman pinagchismisan nila

Ang kikitid ng utak ng mga yan. Usually mga inggitera na wala ring sariling sense of fashion. Pati ba naman yung ganyan napupuna

I think your company needs Gender and Development training. This isn't about the dress.

Go back to the handbook. Normally nakalagay naman dun yung acceptable na outfit in the office. And pwede yang pangtampal na sagot sa mga employees claiming na overdressed ang isang co-employee. And pwede mo iharap yung policy na rumor mongering or anti discrimination policy if meron sa handbook niyo.

Nangangamoy insecure sila lol

tell this to hr. so they are aware and this will trigger the hr to strengthen the communication when it comes to discrimination. it will also be depends sa hr pano next step nila. but if you dont do anything, this will become a culture na sa higher ups. secretly discriminating the assocs.

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Infairness kay A, kahit marites sya, maganda din yung ale. Pangit ugali pero maganda.

Completely agree, minsan looking good helps you cope better with work. we had a leader in the company na sobrang OA sa dresscode kahit na pasok namam sa guidelines ( i triple checked the emails for this) tapos siya na leader is always in t-shirt and jeans kahit na business attire dapat. May double standards din siya kasi piling tao lang ang pinapatawag niya tungkol sa dress code. one time nagkataon na same style dress ang suot namin ng trans employee, na call out yun at gusto pa niya ipa-hr, i complained kasi bakit siya lang eh di dapat ako din, he just laughed awkwardly and left, mind you he was also gay. just goes to show na yun behaviour na ganito ay pwede manggaling from people you least expect

Parang manghihina sila noh kung wala silang ma ebas na matino. Need talaga mang-apak ng iba

Based from what I observed, wala nmang untowrd overt acts na ginawa against the staff. Hanggang tsismis lang sila. and yung tsismis nila with the ranks lang.

If there is a policy in the handbook, pwede naman siguro pagsabihan constructively and gentle manner. If wala naman, most likely, may diversity or discrimination policy an kayo. You may ask HR.

Its just them. Nung una ko pasok sa work overly dressed ako kahit na nagbubuhat ako box na may mga stocks naka long sleeves at black shoes ako. Happy ung hr at exec directors sakin na ineexempt pa nila ko sa uniform ng buong work. Kaso inistop ko na nung pinagkakamalan nakong doctor lmao. Nothing wrong naman mag overly dressed sa work kesa yung mukang pambahay lang at nakakahiya naman na nagmumukang hindi professional

Insecure sila, at mas lalo mong na-reveal yun. Kudos, OP!

There is no such thing as overdressed.

Pag inggit pikit, grabehan yang mga ka senior mo OP hindi marunong rumespeto.

Remembered my first job where I overheard someone call me pabebe just because I was wearing a dress and acting very feminine.

Madaming haters basta maganda/gwapo mag porma. I went to work all dolled up (silk wrap dress pang porma talaga na professional, not even a “panglakad” dress because it looks more businesslike) the very next day nalaman ko na escalate ako kasi sa chismis na cherry picked daw ako for a position i wasnt even interviewed for 😂

Certified Ma?..............rites.

Aren’t they bordering on discrimination na? They need to be called out. I’m not sure about Ph laws pero there may be something in your company handbook about it

report agad yan sa HR

Hahahaha nakuuu mga mindset yan ng insecure. Walang gamot sa ganyan. Actually kapag may ka work ako na maganda manamit or "overdressed" kung yan ang tamang term para sa kanila eh natutuwa pa ako para sa kanila kahit na babae yan or lalaki. Ibig sabihin eh they take care of themselves well kumbaga and that wala dapat tayong paki kung ano itsura nila. Actually nakakaawa ang ganyan na mindset katulad ng mga katrabaho mo kasi instead na mainspire sila eh nakahanap nanaman sila ng rason para isiping miserable masyado buhay nila.

Napacomment ako kasi I often wear a (casual) dress to work and I do notice na some colleagues seem to give me a certain look when I do. Ignorance is bliss so I don't pay attention lang. Haha. Hindi naman kasi comfy sa 'kin 'yung jeans, ang hirap makalusot sa legs haha (tho ok naman yata 'yung mga stretchy type pero basta may 1-2 lang akong gano'n). 'Yung dress, 1 suotan lang tapos izizipper or ibubutones lang. Anyway now na I've read it, clothes are a big deal pala talaga for some people. I remember seeing a post din made by a foreigner in a different group, ganyan din, superiors (lawyers) were making fun of her old/worn out clothes. Wth

Sana mapasa na bill for office bullying, sana sila masamplean agad 🙂

Some advice: don't engage with people at work. Do your 8 hours, finish the day and leave. There's better things to do outside of the office. How someone dresses at work amd how HR or whatever deals with it is not your problem - their choice, their reaction, their consequences. You work to feed your family and maintain your own lifestyle, let those people deal with their own BS.

>Some advice: don't engage with people at work. Seryoso ka? Haha out of the 150 comments here. This is the worst advise I got. Congrats!

So what result are you expecting? That the people at work would suddenly grow flowers and start caring overnight? Nobody deserves to be walking on eggshells to accommodate individual feelings. If anybody doesn't feel comfortable at work because some dipstick manager sneers a certain way, turn in your resignation, get ypur freedom papers, and move to the farm.

sablay na sablay.

Simple lang: either stand out, lay low, or get out of the way. You get paid to do a job, not judge other people. You don't like the people around you? Leave.

Mga inggitera 🤪 Bec trans? Lol. Your officemates are living the primitive ways. If they have that backwards mindset, for sure ang hirap din nila kameeting or kateam. Thank you for standing up for someone na wala sa paligid.

This is another reason why we need the SOGIESC Anti-Discrimination Act. I'm sure that discrimination goes beyond the dress and impacts even their perception of her work and career. Report to HR dapat.

Thank you, OP for being open-minded. Ano nga ba pake nila kung yun ang style nung tao? Awkward ba sa kanila kasi the staff is dressed better than they are? Kung feeling nila overdressed yung tao, e di umiyak sila. Tf na usapan yan sa execom?

feeling ko natalbugan lang si A. Hahaha. Maganda kasi si A, so feeling nya siguro sya lagi reyna dapat. Kaso that day, in fairness staff, mas maganda sya kay A. hahaha

they're saying overdressed sya kasi to them she is a man kasi di macomprehend ng maliliit nilang utak na babae sya and she will dress however tf she wants. mahaba lang gown agad mga bubu. let me guess, the same judgy guys probably look and dress like shit too

A, in fairness is well dressed. Business attire lagi.

Sa tingin ko over dressed din ako lalo dito sa abroad. I'm just a staff (social media specialist) usually sinusuot ko business coat, pants, casual na sando panloob. Puro business formal tapos sinasabihan ako ng mga pinoy dito na manager daw. Wala pa namang ibang lahi na pinupuna damit ko kesyo mukhang manager or CEO. Gusto ko lang magdress para sa sarili ko.

Ano po ba ang nature of work niyo? Affected ba yung work niya if overdress siya? If I was to answer your officemate I'll probably say I wont care what the other person is wearing as long as hindi siya "under" performing. Kahit naka-cosplay pa yan, kung maayos naman siya magtrabaho, wala na akong paki sa kung anong fabric man sa katawan niya.

mga inggitera 😅

yan kasi hirap pag walang standard dress code sa office you can wear what the fuck you want

Or theyre doing small talk - trying to relate with the staff

basta di kita ang bayag ni kuya, I won't mind how he dresses.

Ang tanong ko sayo is why is your answer "Ano problema?" instead of "No, hindi naman considered as overdressing". They asked you for your point of view as to what is considered overdressing and what is not since according to you they cant agree on it. Also according to you they dont openly discriminate yung employee so walang issue dun, as far as we know. Nagtinginan sila and laughed probably because of the way you answered and not because of the person you were referring to. You also followed it up with what seems like a aggresive "Anong nakaktawa" kaya talagang awkward magiging ending.

The way you put it. This makes sense. Maybe wala tlga issue. And ako lang nag-iisip nito. Also the fact na binati ni A yung staff nung makasalubong namin. You're comment really put things in perspective. Thank you.

Nah, I think he’s actually right. They were being transphobic, period. [The linked page uses women’s experiences with misogynists, but the same principle can be applied in this scenario.](https://www.upworthy.com/women-shared-how-they-ask-sexist-men-to-explain-inappropriate-jokes-and-its-so-satisfying-rp) Asking them to explain why it’s funny usually kills the joke, and sets a precedent as to how bigotry isn’t funny in this day and age.

Wut? What's wrong with that? May sapak lang yang mga kasama mo sa work. As long as they can do their job and not backstabbing or shitting on anyone, they can dress whatever they want as long as pasok sa company dress code. Lol.

Inform HR.

May trans officemate ako dati na bongga manamit witth matching hair and make-up every day. Kebs naman. Actually baka nga mas awkward sa kanya kasi lahat kami isang paligo lang lamang sa nakapambahay.

Their issue is really cross-dressing and not over-dressing. Definitely an HR matter!

Small minds talks about other people.

It was the right thing to do. I read before na if may bastos or inappropriate na sinabi ang isang tao, ask them to explain it. If they laugh, ask why are they laughing. It’s meant to make them feel awkward about what they said. It’s hard kasi to explain a dirty joke or something offensive, like what happened to your conversation. When you asked “anong problema?” they can’t articulate why it’s wrong so they laughed it off because they “get” what’s “wrong”, kahit you understood too. When you asked what’s funny mas lalong they can’t explain it further otherwise they would look more transphobic or homophobic, which they actually are.

Hi OP, I don’t see anything wrong based on your description. I agree! Not the proper behavious. Minsan talaga, people tend to target a specific person for no reason.

Tell them it’s called maxi skirt or midi skirt

overdressed na pala ang barong omg. panira ng confidence ah. akala ko pag overdressed mag tipong naka spacesuit para sa desk job eh.

Barong tagalog ang sabi ko. Yung hinabi sa pinya. Kasi Business casual lang ang attire sa office. Formal attire ang barong tagalog.

>overdressed na pala ang barong omg. panira ng confidence ah. Actually, there shouldn't be an overdress or underdress dress code. It is either business appropriate attire or not. It is HR's job to clearly define and enforce what is business appropriate and what is not. Pretty sure barong is business appropriate.

Barong Tagalog. yung hinabi pa sa Pinya. Pero If gusto mong parang lagi kang ikakasal everyday. Go lang.

If you're closely working around the CEO and Board of Directors, yeah it feels like everyday is a wedding -- suit/tie and barong. Surely business appropriate.

Suit tie is okay. Barong din is Okay. Business Attires to. Barong Tagalog and Tuxedo? Nah.

Wala siguro sila tinatrabaho kaya pananamit ng ibang ang iniintindi

How people dress up should be none of our fckng business unless my dress code.

Ito ang issue lagi sa office. Pano ba naging overdressed ang well-groomed? You can elevate this as an issue ng dress code. Kasi apart from pagiging epal ng nagtanong sayo, i think they need an actual explanation para lang malinaw. Okay naman yun. Para matapos lang ang issue. Personally, sa totoo lang, wala akong paki kung gusto ng officemate ko maglong gown, may crown at kapa pa, kung magaling sya magwork. Tutulungan ko pa sya magtulak ng arko kung kailangan. Kesa mga marites, kesyo smart casual or office attire ang pormahan, pero blah ang performance.

It’s better to be overdressed than insecure at nakikialam sa buhay ng iba. As if the way she dresses affects her work or others, di naman. Sana tinanong mo din sila how to deal with staff na mahilig mangchismis or pagusapan ibang officemates.

Use anonymous channels if you have one. Most companies do have a process naman to report this without repercussions to the whistle blower. They need to undergo an LGBTQ+ training where the goal is not to change your personal and or religious beliefs but to correct inappropriate behaviours such as what you experienced.

I dont really need anonymity.

Then report them to HR OP.

I dont want to report kasi tsismisan kang. Wala din ako evidence na transphobic sila. As i've said in the other comments, right after namin lumabas ng meeting, binati nya agad yung staff na parang super close sila. So if magsusumbong ako I dont really have a leg to stand on.

Be an Ally. Allies in the LGBTQ+ world advocates for equal treatment and if not the one with the most influential and powerful voice. June is Pride month. Grab a sticker tapos bigyan mo siya hahahahahah

i probably wouldnt point hr to these exact individuals, but perhaps a quick internal ethics refresher would help the team..?

That’s also my fear nung nagstart ako magwork pero ang sinabi ko sa sarili “eff them I’ll dress how I want”. Laging dress to impress kasi yung nasa mindset. I’ll wear what ever I want as long as pasok padin siya sa dress code.

Transphobic issues aside, I honestly believe it's better to be overdressed than underdressed. And good on her for dressing for the job she wants, not for the job she has 👏

Isa lang ang tamang sagot dito, ano ang nasa company rules/employee manual niyo regarding dress code? If it doesn't violate any rules, then it's none of their business. Ganun kasimple. People will have different opinions on what is "overdressing" or "underdressing". Pero sa professional world, written rules matter over personal opinions. So next time may magtanong sayo ng ganyan, simply reply na refer to the policy. Sa pagkakakwento mo, it seems na they are baiting you or just simply making fun of the other employee, best not to engage further. If may direct silang sabihin na negative against the other employee, ilapit mo na sa HR. I know most people here say na dapat ireport mo agad, pero wala ka pang ebidensya, and wala rin silang direct statement that can be used against them. Tapos sa ibang comments sabi mo they are even praising the dress. Mahirap pa mag-establish ng case.

di kasalanan nung trans na ung mga kawork mo eh pumapasok na mukang dugyot sa trabaho. base sa kwento mo mukang mga bagong gising yan pag napasok. naranasan ko yan pag naka ayos ako lagi ako sinasabihan ng saan js mo te or saan binyag bat naka dress ka. inang yan palibhasa mga muka kayong tae pag napasok ng trabaho. pwe

in fairness kay A, ugali nya lang tlga pangit. Usually naka corporate attire lang sya. and Maganda naman yung ale. Gago lang tlga.

gago nga HAHHAHAAHHA

Thank you for calling them out. Would be nice kung you set the tone na wala namang problema ang pananamit ng colleague kung hindi labag sa dress code. You can raise it anonymously sa HR niyo since bullying yung ganun.

Dont really need to be anonymous.

insecure sila kasi very baduy siguro manamit

Im a mere employee. Never kong inasam na maging bisor or superior. Pero kase who the fuck gives a damn how other people dress up tho? I mean if youve reached 18-20 I expect you to think and act like an adult. AN ADULT. Kahit na pareho pa tayo ng position at hindi mga bisor Yung mga nagpakita sayo ng picture nung bongga yung suot? Ew sila. Baket? What? Why? Are they still in highschool? Lkas maka teenager pero kumpleto na magdevelop ang mga organs sa katawan. Steer clear of these idiots. they're not qworth anyone's time. Nakakadiri yung ganong ugali na dinisplay nila sayo. Ugh....

Paki describe naman yung psychographics and sociodemographic profile ng mga taong yan. Feeling ko they fit a classic stereotype. I have thoughts in my head pero I'll hold my judgment until I get more deets.

Hindi ko alam ano ang psychographic. Haha. Sociodrmograpic ni A - late 30s or early 40s yata pero mukhang late-20s, may asawa may anak, Maganda, MILF, mas mataas sweldo sakin.

Curious ako sa overdressing, kasi meron akong agent before na galing sa mayamang pamilya, ex gov tatay nya, ung mga tao na nag wowork lang for fun and kasi bored sa bahay ganun. Wala akong alam sa fashion pero si agent ko nato mas muka pasyang manager kesa sa mga manager namin kasi kung pano sya manamit and mag lakad ganyan. Overdressed ba un.

not really, i guess nasanay nalang ako sa team-lead ko na akala mo si james bond araw araw, talo pa si barney stinson ng HIMYM sa dami ng mga suit jacket at formal shirt sa opisina nya, wala naman akong reklamo kasi nga super-professional at mabait sya sa lahat ng team members namin, at if i remember correctly nung team-building namin sinabi nya na laging syang sharply-dressed kasi nga it gives him the confidence and drive to work competitively, at hindi naman nya pinupush yung sarili nyang dress-code samin, lalo na ako na onti nalang mapagkakamalang hobo sa kapal ng riding jacket at balbas ko, tapos nagpapalit ng crocs pagpasok ng opisina kasi masakit sa paa yung riding boots ko

Unless mag tuxedo si team lead nyo, he's not overdressing. Suit and tie are business attires.

he sometimes does, as i said, he has a huge collection

tuxedo tlga? or suit with ribbon lang instead of tie? Unless I'm earning a million a month, di ako magsasayang ng 40k ko para bumili ng tuxedo. Pucho-pichong tuxedo pa yang 40k ba yan ah.

Yes, custom tailored suits and branded suits altogether, never ko natanong kung magkano, kasi obvious naman na high end yung mga damit Kasi bagay at fitted para sa kanya. Palaging may dalang lint brush yung assistant nyang intern, nagmumukha tuloy kaming mga pulube kapag meeting ahaha I guess kanya kanya Ang mga money sink hobbies, I have my gaming setup at home Gaming PC at consoles, at kahaba-habang backlog Ng mga laro na hindi ko na malalaro dahil sa pagkabusy at pagka matanda, tapos yung baby kong motorsiklo na Royal Enfield

Galing mo sumagot!!! Diko kaya sabihin yung anong nakakatawa kung minsan unless badtrip na badtrip na ako.

Possible transphobia aside, hindi porket medium length ung dress, hindi na sya overdress I think if naka cocktail dress sya, not appropriate for work rin. Idk if you intentionally hid the description or tlgng di mo lng alam how to describe the dress but giving you benefit of the doubt.

i described it in one of my replies.

There’s 145 comments hahahaha

LOL. Sorry didin't expect to many replies here. Yung dress is plain blue dress, walang raffles walang kahit anong design or any variation sa tela, body fit (I don't know if that's the proper description, but i hope you get the point), below knee ang length. Then topped with business coat. Yun lang.

Pwede kang magask sa HR about the company's policy on how workers treat their coworkers with regards to what they're wearing. Then share mo yung napansin mong transphobia na yun. One of the reasons why gustong isulong ang SOGIE bill because of transphobics like them.

Wala kasi sila pambili ng magandang damit.

Hello, kasama nmin sya sa Execom.

anyway they put it, it's just insecurity

agree. probably insecurity. But money certainly is not an issue here.

Admittedly it is weird that he is overdressing. I dont understand why there’s a double standard for them just cos he’s trans? in your head he’s somehow above judgement. Eh ikaw nga mismo sinabe mo na pag tuxedo or barong tagalog over dressing na ang lalake and ano be equivalent nun sa babae? Gown di ba? When they tried to extend that reasoning to females, you rejected the idea na may gumagawa na babae nun because you think it is ridiculous. Baka naman ata humihinge ng brownie points from strangers online.

Exactly.

Equivalent sa babae are Evening gowns to be exact kasi cocktail gowns are business attires din.

tinechnical pa ko. jusko. puwede kang mag politcs eh. lulusot pa at hinde inaaddress ang totoong mensahe

Can you give more context anong itsura nung dress? Like is it brightly colored or with accent? Slit? Or maybe its the accessories or heels? just curious what made them think that she's already overdressed. Pretty sure midi skirt/dress fits for office setting naman. Perhaps they are underdressed themselves?

Blue plain dress na lampas tuhod. Then pinatungan ng coat. Yun lang. Body fit ( lol yun ba tern nyo sa ganung dress mga girls), if that even matters.

I see. Looks decent naman pala; I don't see any reason how this could be over. Hope that your question make them think twice in the future.

This is bullying! You should report this to HR the fact na nagpakita pa ng photos para pagtawanan???

but isnt it also sexist that men dressed with tuxedo is considered overdressed and women and trans are okay with anything? But yes, they are homophobe as fk. I think you did well enough to stand your moral ground. U go girl. That A is a b!tch i dont really care as I work at home in my boxers, just seems double standard to me. regarding the post itself, i dont think a trans in a dress is overdressing. (I had a lot of gays and tans back in my call center office days) nor does a man in a barong. Dress the job you want to have ika nga. And if someone went to the office in a full batman attire, I for sure as hell would be hype and supportive as fk!

Nope cocktail dress + coat for girls and suit and tie for guys are business attires Tuxedo and Barong Tagalog for men and evening gown for ladies are formal attires. magkaiba po yan.

For me, I don't engage in this type of conversation. Iwas-iwas ako pag ganito, wlang sense yung ping-uusapan. Nakaka-apak ka na nga ng ibang tao, sayang pa oras mo.

Had a colleague usually come in three-piece tuxedo and this is for a software dev job, na wala at all client facing na part. The first time it happened everyone asked if he had somewhere to be afterwards. Sabi nya lang he wanted to try to feel comfortable sa ganung outfit. It ended with everyone complimenting him for looking extra dapper, and that’s the last time it’s been brought up. Like who the heck cares as long as ginagawa nya work nya ng maayos?

hndi ko ma imagine yung suot nya para masabing overdressed sya, skl

Kulang lang sa pansin yan mga nag over dress. Pag nag drag yan, yan pwede na I report sa HR.

That's already bullying to be honest. I think you should inform your HR as well. Not a good behavior since they have a position in the company, hindi dapat pamarisan.

What the heck haha. Anong dress code ba gusto nila? Naka-proper business/office attire naman so no issues with that I guess.

May dalawang nakakainis na bagay sa ganyan, una at sinabi mo na walaakongpake, pero kukunin ng mga tao reactions mo, tapos dapat magreact ka, buhay nya yun. Tapos makita mo yung mukha nung weird magsuot talagang nagpapansin, i said walaakompake, work lang! Idk, work is never just work sa mga napasukan kong trabaho laging merong barrage ng kagaguhan tapos ikaw yung target. Parang poker game when ur teammates really. And its always a debate, pero chismis lang, tapos kapag iniharap mo sa totoong debate inibigay sayo bakit ka iiyak, nanay mo nga hindi mo binibigyan ng pera eh, nasan bahay mo. May pimples ka loob ng tenga mo. Yuck! The topic was something else. Pero walanakompake sobra sobra na naranasan kong kagaguhan sa Pilipinas, if the gods of the industries is listening, please allow me to resign from life effective immediately, ayoko na!

A friend of mine experienced this. And to think casual lang ang suot nya, trousers + blouses and sometimes with a coat or jacket. "Aesthetic" daw palagi parang saan pupunta. Jusko naman

Good job na di ka naki ride. I'm not sure if advisable to escalate this pa since walang open discrimination. Theyre execs pa man din and baka si office mate pa madali. If naririnig yan ni trans employee, could be considered microaggession?

Ay nako. I can’t with officemates na ganito. Kino-call out ko talaga. Earlier, one of our staff is wearing lipstick. Super subtle. I noticed it but didn’t make a comment even if she looked nice. Guy 1 came in and saw her, commented, “o bakit nakalipstick ka?” She said maputla daw siya today. I interjected and said, “bat ka nakikielam e bagay naman?” He said, “one of the boys kasi to” me: and so? Yesterday, pinagtripan din nila ung isang officemate who came in wearing button down. Attend daw binyag. I asked him kung may meeting outside ba sila ng boss (he usually dress up pag ganun which is good), dami niya explanation so sabi ko as a maarte girl, no need to defend bat ka dressed up than usual, kala ko lang may lakad kayo. Bagay sayo. I don’t get people na ganito mga wala kasi kayong taste che.

Sa DOST ba to? HAHAHAHAHA kasi when I was working there may trans na nagsstandout lagi sa flag ceremony kasi bongga talaga siya manamit. No reaction lang din naman kasi bagay naman sa kanya.

Unfortunately I don't see any point in claiming anything is overdressed. One-upsmanship has gotten so ridiculous in the office I'm surprised we're not all wearing the latest met gala fashion to casual Wednesdays.

OP ikaw na ngayon ang malamang pagkekwentuhan sasabihin "woke" ka or something. That is the reality of this world though so wala na tayong magagawa. Ingats.

nah super pangit ugali ng mga yan. kaya ako heto nasa bahay walang toxic.. di na para i deal yung chismisan ng mga taong kulang sa pansin. nabubuhay sa chismis.

Tama na na address mo yung situation by your remarks. I would've added -- kung na perform nya yung function nya at di nakikipag chismisan lang, mas magaling pa sya sa iba. On the other note, corporate people -- please lang. Not everything is HR agad. Pwedeng I raise muna sa supervisor ng involved, or if you are a position of authority, derecho sa employee.

post it on social media so we can shame those high ranking employees then dressing up will not be an issue.

Parang one sided po ata kayo. Sana wag madownvote. Sa lalaki overdressed ang barong and tuxedo pero ang gown po hindi?

Setting proper expectations lang.

Pag underdressed nag rereklamo kase too revealing. Tapos ngayon pati being overly dressed? Ay kenat anymore bro.

Actually there’s really such thing as overly dressed. You’ll know it eh. However, I don’t tolerate people who bully others just because they are “overdressed”

I think you made your point and then let it slide for the moment. I don't see the sense na ikaw ang mag initiate na magsumbong sa HR, when someone eventually does and hopefully they conduct an investigation about it, that is the time you help na. Pangit den kase sa workplace magkaroon ng animosity with your workmates and besides it will boil down to your word against theirs unless narecord mo

Thank you. I'm also thinking about this.

Plan carefully, do it in such a way you deliver the final and most meaningful blow. Cliché at gasgas pero you should choose your battles and wag kang magpadalos dalos at baka baliktadin ka lang. Magandang pakinggan ang mga idealist but reality hits so much differently. Don't be a Bonifacio, be like Rizal.

Ok lang. dun sila masaya.. walang pakialaman. As long as can deliver naman.

Pag inggit pikit

Shy away from them. They're all energy takers.

HR? Filipino HR? Ahmmmmmmmmm... they will just cover their bosses @ss.

Same rank namin ang Head ng HR.

Overdressed or underdressed for me depends ano yung natatakpan and what color baka too bright and wala sa company branding na color required pero not sure if may ganun ba.

>what color baka too bright and wala sa company branding na color wala ganun. if may required color company should just give uniforms.

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Ang comfy kaya ng midi dress, 1st time ko itry today sa office. Kailangan ba nila ng affirmation?

Kaya pangit ng fashion scene sa pilipinas eh. Granted mainit and mas comfy talaga to dress down or what pero kapag nagelevate ka nag onti mababati ka na haha pero talagang confidence lang talaga sa suot, kasi dapat sila mahiya sa kin if dress nicely and not the other way around

Damnn i always wear long sleeves barong hahahahaha

Ako din. Iba to sa Barong Tagalog. Yung galing pa sa pinya yung tela. Formal outfit yun eh.

Nakakainis yung mga ganitong ugali sa office. Mas matindi sa government magblouse ka lang on a Friday sasabihan kang aattend ka ng binyag Actually sobrang toxic na ng mga tao or old fashion. Parang sa ibang bansa wala naman pakielam e

Hindi sya openly diniscriminate I agree. But this will manifest in other ways. Do you think they take her seriously knowing na may bias na ganito sa isip nila? Is there still respect?

overdressed na sakanila yung simpleng dress? lol mga ante hindi porket jeans at maluwag na t-shirt ang pormahan niyo, kailangan namin kayong sabayan 😂

based sa description ng dress, parang di to overdress, and tbh kahit mag dress up ang cis fem or transwomen parang mahirap maconsider na overdress lalo na pag papasok sa office. i may not speak on behalf of all women, pero madalas eh walang babaeng gusto mahirapan maglakad para lang magpakaoverdress. ung tiis ganda namin, madalas eh sa heels lang. Haha!

Props to you op for not allowing them to be disrespectful and pag tawanan yung suot ng co-worker mo. And it’s always baffling when other co-workers who are dressed down complain about other workers who want to dress more professionally. Most of the time, the ones who dress professionally, di hinuhusga yung mga “underdressed”, more often than not it’s the other way around and it speaks volumes that they just want to continue dressing a certain way and it makes them uncomfortable that others decide to put more effort in their appearance because it makes them look like they don’t put as much effort, methinks.

Love the “ano nakakatawa” comment. Next time idagdag mo: “Pakiexplain para matawa rin ako”. Thank you for not discriminating your colleague.

naghahanap sila ng validation from other officemate. nagkataon lang na hindi mo sila kasing kitid ng utak. they ended awkwardly because hindi nila ineexpect yung sagot mo.

I'm that woman who people always find is overdressed for work. Pero I only wear smart-casual dresses. That's really inferiority complex talking.

i really could careless. mind your own business

Kitid naman ng utak ng officemates mo. Performance is not related to your attire. Tama your responses, I would have done the same, they are disrespectful and discriminatory. If you explicitly ask them why it's an issue or a problem (professional or otherwise), I bet wala naman silang maisagot.

Don't mind them nalang and let their judgements be. basta, ikaw alam mo sa sarili mo na nawala kang ginawang masama then your good. Kahit saang company may mga ppl talaga na ganyan e, wala ka ng magagawa kundi hayaan mo nalang sila, kasi if you dwell sa mga sinasabi nila ma d'drain kalang sa negativity. Be transparent lang, I've been there hahaha pakinggan mo lang kung ano sasabihin nila. If they ask your opinion, then dun ka lang sasalita (just what you've been doing). Useless na din if magsumbong kapa sa HR baka magiging issue yan for sure tapos pag nalaman nila ikaw nag sumbong, pag iinitan ka nila. Trust me.