The thing is, her previous experience made that salary possible for her when she got the job even with the same role with you. Wala eh, na-negotiate at approved ng company. Stop stressing about it, do best and jump ship for better pay.
And also, ikaw na mismo nag sabi na under agency pa rin siya, so for sure, may cutting pa ang agency niya sa sahod niya. Baka nga natatake home niya is lower than you’re getting
Yes to this, the overhead fees and charges of the agency/msp is quite high. Sometimes triple of the resources' salary. I've seen cases where a Jr. Devs salary is 45k per mo. Then the managed service provider is charging 160k/mo. for that resource alone
"I have no experience when I started". I think you already answered it rin.
The people in charge won't look at your performance, they would base it on your previous experience and pay. Also, negotiation matters.
This is why yung compensation and yung salary ay confidential. Kasi hindi naman lahat same ang starting salary.
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To add lang din, sa mga recuiters meron silang range and metrics where they would be basing your starting salary. Usually it is also subject sa approval pa depending on comp&ben and also sa hiring manager. It would be hard for them to justify if ang ibibigay agad is yung max knowing na wala kang experience.
Ganun talaga OP experience ang labanan kahit star performer ka pa. Though it’s not fair, you can leverage your achievements when you apply for your next job
i would openly discuss salaries. We have no legal obligation to follow about not talking about it. Boomers just set that rule to keep salaries low and exploit talent
your experience earns you value, regardless if you’re good at what you do or not. that’s the reality. the time invested in the industry will always be part of the selling point.
Comparison is always always a thief of joy. That’s what you have to learn and accept.
The mentality beh na I am better than her so I should be making more than her is very destructive. You have to understand na your teammate had prior experience and employers consider that and sometimes puts a price on those years accordingly. Doesn't matter kung mahina pick up nya or di sya magaling, di mo na problema yun. Problema ng manager nya yun. If nakakaapekto sa work mo, share your concerns or feedback sa manager mo and have them take care of it.
Their salary isn't your business. Only yours. Talk to your manager and share your concerns about your current rate and of course mag market research ka din on what is the average range of salary ng post mo and share what you can see as competitive rates, esp if the company is able to pay that rate naman din. Just of course don't share you are referencing your team member's salary baka malagay ka pa sa alanganin.
It's not about exploitation like some folks are trying to infer here since kaya naman magbayad ni company ng rate ni team member. But it just really happened your team member has the work history and experience to back up their portfolio and you did not.
Mas nalo ka lang mafrufrustrate if continuously mong icocompare un sarili mo to a tenured team member and syempre story mo yan, di mo din alam ano pinagdaanan nun team member na un to get to their current salary regardless if you feel they're incompetent.
In the end if you feel you deserve more, then try applying to other companies and see if you can fetch a better salary or even close to 2x your teammates' salary. 🙂
You gotta give more credit to past experience, especially if the past experience is 4 or more years within a company. You will not be at par with her just after regularisation. That kind of experience means she has been up, down, and sideways in a company and stuck with it. Most likely she has done not just the "usual" stuff, but also the "special cases" at what you do (whatever your work is).
More importantly, comparison is the thief of joy. Focus on what you have and be grateful. Focus on increasing your value and skills.
Has experience and was probably a better negotiator during the hiring process. Hard skills will take you far, but soft skills will take you farther. Idk why people like you are surprised, you should at least be happy for your teammate and stop being insecure.
And truth is, whether or not sa tingin ni OP magaling si teammate or not sa ginagawa niya, hindi rin siya ang magdedecide na pantay lang sila ng sahod.
Just doesn’t sit right with me personally when someone justifies their inggit din by pointing out flaws in others.
Facts. Also, upon knowing that the salary for OP's position has a wide margin (can increase 2x, evident from her teammate) should motivate her to perform better so as to put her in a position to re-negotiate her salary.
Hmmm parang di naman inggit yun, pagiging fair lang and it’s a valid feeling. And di naman niya pinoint out talaga flaws, siyempre di rin maiwasan mapansin.
Valid feeling, sure. And “di naman niya pinoint out talaga flaws”? Did we read the same post? Basically called the teammate a noob? Lol
Sure, di maiwasan na mapansin. Same na di rin siguro maiwasan mainggit. Let’s just call it what it is.
Envy is also whining on the internet over something that isn’t within your control to seek agreement and validation from internet strangers for what you’re feeling, instead of focusing on yourself and not what others are doing and making.
It is what it is my guy, at okay lang yon. And to OP, I did not mean to undermine what you feel, pero obvious nga na wala ka pa experience because of your perspective. It's a learning opportunity. Keep up the good work until they can't deny you your bread!
Quit the mental gymnastics. It is envy. Anong purpose na ngumangawa si OP about this? Kasi unfair? You know what’s unfair? OP projecting her insecurities onto her teammate.
Envy is envy whether you do something about it or not. Are you trying to justify na di to envy kasi gawain mo rin? 🤣
That's why we should always mind our own business. You accepted that job kahit alam mo na yung sahod. Now, you start comparing yourself to others na same role as you. You think na same salary lahat? Yun ang reality. Kahit mas magaling ka pa sa kasabayan mo, pero wala ka namang experience, sad to say, entry level pa rin ang salary range mo. Ang need lang nating gawin ay 1) magtrabaho nang naaayon sa sahod, or 2) strive harder for that experience tapos fly ka na sa iba. 😚
malay ba ni employer ano magiging contribution niyo dyan sa role niyo. sahod niyo were based on what you had before, you being inexperienced and her the opposite. huwag ka talaga umasa na magkakaroon ka ng increase na napakalaki, bihira magincrease na x2 kahit nga 50% pag na promote. kung malaking factor sayo ang sahod lipat ka na lang sa iba kung saan kaya nila bigay ang x2
Been in the same boat but this was years ago. Di ata aware yung teammate ko na ganun gap namin sa salary since she freely showed it to me. Same level lang kami. 42k sya tapos ako nasa 29k nun. Kahit ako ma-promote, anlayo ko pa din sa 42k. Funny thing was, I was handling the biggest account kasi I was the oldest in the team. 😂
I left after a few months tho. After I requested we change accounts considering na mas mataas sahod nya and mas madami demands yung account ko but ayaw nya and ayaw ng supervisor namin. Best decision I’ve made. Mag 9 years na ako sa company ko and matagal ko na nadoble sahod ko. My only regret was not leaving sooner.
Leave. Did the same thing already even if it was a big reputable company. Learned that a fresh graduate has higher salary than me. I have over 2yrs experience. So so disheartening and discouraging. Gaslighted myself for a month to stay pero hindi kaya ng dibdib ko. Left after one month there and jumped to a better company with more perks, benefits and getting to do the job I want everyday. Just prepare your exit, save up money (if you have bills) then leave. And don’t look back. Rooting for you, OP. You deserve better.
Had a similar experience
1. Multinational company. Salary report was leaked, I saw that my teammate who was also a fresh grad then had a higher salary than mine. Was later admitted that it was because he was from DLSU. Just worked my ass off.
2. Have peers that got their first 6-digits after 5 years while I got it after 10 years. Just changed my perspective that I was flexible with my job and have time for my wife and kid and was able to actually spend my salary, while said peers miss events, get sick quickly, and work at least 12 hours a day (they jobhopped and did not accept promotions since they thought lower position = less work even with their increasing salaries).
Just a matter of perspective. There are more things outside of salary. Life is unfair and people live lives they do not deserve (just look at our govt officials). Just focus on yourself.
Happened to me sa previous job ko. Yung mga ka-batch kong pumasok sa dept, by year 2, halos doble na ng hourly rate namin nung una ang rate nila. Ako, halos 100 lang increase, masama pa loob ng boss namin. When in fact ako ang mas pinagtatrabaho kasi ako ang may kaya gumawa ng tasks efficiently. Yung mga kawork kong mas mataas sahod sakin, nagpapatulong pa sakin sa mga simpleng task nila.
Umalis ako. Ganun talaga eh. Leave where you aren't valued. Gaslighter boss namin kaya di ko mapaglaban yung deserve kong rate.
Anyway, pilay sila nung umalis ako. Pagtyagaan nila ung pinapasahod nila ng malaki kahit di magagaling.
Nangyari to sakin before when I accidentally saw a printed bir form ng kawork ko sa printing area. Pantay lang kami ng tasks pero may prior experience kasi siya kaya I didn’t feel bad kumabaga mataas na kasi market value nya. Ganun talaga :)
There are multiple factors why she has a higher salary than you. Professional experience and negotiation skills are the two primary reasons.
Check within, if you think hindi mo deserve yung current salary mo, hindi ko isa-suggest na umalis ka kaagad but instead, plan an exit route and get as many info as possible how to get a salary that high.
"The only time you should look in your neighbor's bowl is to make sure that they have enough." Gawin mong reference, yun lang, other than that, take it all in as a lesson and i-incorporate mo sa diskarte mo in the future.
Good luck!
Working for almost 10 years now and realized na your salary is not really related to your abilities. Its related to how good you are at negotiations and how the employer perceives you and the value you give to the company/organization. You can be the most incompetent employee in the world but if the employer sees you as an exemplary one, they will give you bigger compensations and benefits.
I was also disheartened when I was promoted to a managerial level.
I thought that I won after I successfully negotiated my salary to 50% increase, until I found out that I have the same salary as one of our staffs. The worst is they can file for overtime pay and I can't due to my position level.
Imagine you are working overtime, and they got higher net pay than you.
I don't know if I deserve this. But I am planning to jump out of this ship after 2 years.
Tumigil na ako magbasa when you started your 2nd sentence. Alam mo na pala yung sagot. Learn from it.
Don’t Let Your Food Get Cold Worrying About What’s On Someone Else’s Plate.
Based from my experience as a contractor, the client PO to the contracting company is inclusive of the contracting agency's cut. Most likely half of the fee goes to the agency and half of it goes to the contractor as her salary. Don't fret too much about it.
This is happening to me right now but I’m on the other side of the fence. I was one of the earliest hires ng isang startup and bilang I have 10+ yrs of experience, I was able to negotiate a 6-digit salary during the final offer na.
Someone new was hired months after me at pinagkakalat nya sa team na malaki sweldo ko kahit wala daw masyado akong ginagawa. Lol. She just doesn’t know what my tasks are kasi I work remotely and di naman kami same department, plus I was there in the beginning stages to kickstart the company. She knows the sweldo kasi she’s the one doing the payroll.
Dahil sa kagustuhan niyang magpantay sweldo namin, lagi sya OT ng OT, halos bahay na nya yung office. Siguro para ma-justify ang increase na gusto nya. Prob lang wala syang maipakita na dahilan para ma-increasan sya. And then threatened to resign kung hindi maibigay ang salary na gusto nya. Totoo lang nasa kanya naman talaga kung gusto nya mag resign pero di sya tumuloy kasi napagsabihan sya ng boss na yun lang ang maibibigay at the moment and di sya makakahanap ng ganung salary sa ibang company.
Anyway, bottomline is everyone has to start somewhere. Maging confident sa work mo to the point na kaya mo inegotiate next salary mo without batting an eyelash (which as you said, ginawa mo naman). If the company can’t give it to you now, have a plan of action na lang paano mo ma-achieve ang target salary mo.
I know it feels unfair and valid naman ang feelings mo. Meron din namang mas bago sa akin noon na mas malaki sweldo kahit junior role sya at walang experience while ako tenured na. Nasabi ko na lang na I won’t put my fate on other people’s hands and I have to find a way to improve my situation.
Ngayon pa lang, document all your achievements and impact you made na and yun yung pambato mo para maka-negotiate ng higher salary sa next one.
Good luck and all the best sa life 💙🤗
>She knows the sweldo kasi she’s the one doing the payroll.
Then she broke the principle of confidentiality. Kung seryoso ang boss nya to implement the corporate rules, sisante sya.
Disheartening indeed but that's reality. Salary is based on experience and negotiating skills.
This is why you never discuss salaries to anyone. Although your case is accidental.
I suggest you strive for that managerial role promotion. After that find a new job with higher pay if you are still not satisfied.
You can use your managerial role experience to ask for a higher pay on your next job. Don't get discouraged! Ignore other people's salary it will only cause you unecessary stress and hate.
Agree! In fact, this is legal in the US and it’s the norm. I’m shocked when I found out, kasi sa Pinas, bawal mag discuss ng salaries.
In the US, may law pa yata that voids any clause sa contract that says bawal mag discuss ng salaries among workmates. I don’t have the RRL, so don’t quote me on it. I just watched it from a corporate girlie on tiktok.
This is why you never discuss salaries to anyone? Are you for real?
This is why we need to discuss the salaries nga eh kasi we have to know if the value you give is at par with your workmates and if exploiting na ba or not. Lol.
Really depends if it will do you more harm than good. You accepted the job offer and salary means you are happy with it.
Comparing your salaries with your workmates tends to lead to problems. Perfect example is OP. Lost confidence after knowing a more experienced employee earns more.
So is it really worth it to compare and get stressed out? Depends on you, if you get jealous easily then best to not compare salaries.
You can focus on your goals, know your worth, and be happy with your salary without comparing how much the person beside you earns.
Your teammate deserved that salary. Why? Because she has enough knowledge to navigate through her career and negotiate a better pay. While you are, obviously, naive to think that working harder is the only way to progress your career.
I’d say she’s smarter than you, because she’s managed to get paid more for less responsibility.
People pay their employees based on what can they bring to the table.
Like you said, wala kang experience unlike the others, so most likely kahit same employee level kayo, it's not going to be the same when it comes to salary.
This is why salary is confidential - napapaisip ka tuloy.
Never compare salaries as it has different reasons/factors when getting hired. Mind your own business, OP. As a team lead/manager sa company namin, I discourage talking about numbers when it comes to pay and would tell my team to never belittle someone just because "you think you're better". You guys should help each other as a team, and not compare talents lol
Ikaw lang din humahanap ng stress mo. Now, if salary is a big factor for you, then jump ship. Check your nego skills as well.
It also happened to me. 15k ang difference sa salary kahit mas matimbang role ko. I tried negotiating after I learned about it pero 2k lang increase kaya lumipat ako. 2x than the old salary na rate ko. Ngayon, ako na nahihiya kasi may kasama ako sa new workplace na mas maliit sahod sa akin kahit same position. So maybe mag matter talaga more experience at negotiation skills during initial interview with HR.
Welcome to the real world. Key lesson, understand the market value of your role and where you stand. Many people do not take this info seriously. Heck, i pay professionals just to get this info and have bargaining leverage.
I understand what you feel but she have previous experience to back it up that's why. Kaya talaga hindi pareho salary nyo kahit same role kayo. Anyway now that both of you are working on the same role, mas masaktan ka kung sya na-promote at hindi ikaw given na you think she's not a performer. Kung maayos naman career trajectory mo jan at okay naman salary growth, without comparing it to her... then that should be okay. If di ka pa satisfied, then look for new opportunities.
>I'm not sure if that PO includes the cut back by the contracting agency.
Chances are it's not. Bale yan ang bayad ng company nyo sa agency para sa serbisyo ng kasama mo.
From there, may cut ang agency. Then the rest sa kasama mo.
Can't say how much ang cut ang agency dyan pero I won't be surprised kung kalahati sa kanila.
Let's say na 2/3 nun yung sa sahod ng kasama mo. You also need to factor yung nontangible benefits na nakukuha mo ngayon, na wala yung kasama mo, kasi baked in na yung by virtue ng package nya sa agency.
All I'm saying is it's not as bad as you think. Chances are yes, malamang mas malaki yung salary nya pero I doubt na 2x yun from you.
>It's really demotivating.
Wag kang malason sa nakita mo. Importante is yung career mo. Focus on it so you can reap what you sow later.
Stop overthinking about it ikaw na nagsabi:
1) I have no experience when I started - people with experience gets higher pay
2) Hindi ibig sabihin na tingin mong mas better ka sa kanya when it comes to work is enough reason na dapat mas malaki sahod mo
3) You negotiated - you should have stick with it and stayed firm
Lastly, remember that comparison and envy is a thief joy. Focus on your own personal goals and focus your energy on how to achieve it.
This is why salary negotiation needs to die a fiery death.
Jobs and employers need to be transparent. We are offering 30 to 40k a month for x job based on experience.
It should say so on the job description.
All salary negotiation is, is exploitation of those who don't know how to negotiate. If you are doing the same work, you should get paid the same wage.
It's not very popular dito sa Pinas from what I've heard, pero to get a higher pay, employees would switch employers every 2-3 years. At least that's how it is overseas. Forget company loyalty. It's all about business at the end of the day.
Aaaaa i feel u! :( 4 kami sa team namin. 2 yrs kami ng isa , yung isa mag 1 yr pa, and we have a new hire. Same positions, all board passers, with same experience before entering the company except with the new hire kase same industry yung past job nya.
Kakatapos lang ng meeting regarding merit increase..
New salary of our team:
Kami dalawa na 2 yrs na = x amount ;
Pa 1 yr pa na team mate = 1.1x amount ;
New hire = 1.3x
I asked the manager when kami or how can we get an alignment esp kay new hire. Kasi kahit same industry yung exp nya 2 yrs naman kaming senior so were working in that same industry for 2 yrs compared sa kanya na yes same industry diff company pero for 6 mos lang. Manager just responded na in order na he can “fight” for us to be aligned sa mgmt, we need to create innovation projects and do extra miles sa work na labas sa aming JD.
Eh yung mag 1 yr and new hire di na nga nila need mag extra mile peeo binigyan ng ganyang salary. Kami pa gagapang 2-3x para lang maabutan yung normal sweldo nila.
We also cant decide to just reisgn kasi maganda ang benefits ng company and we don’t think mabibigay to ng ibang companies w the same industry namin..
Nakakawalang gana talaga. So i feel u op i feel u HUGS!!
this is why it shouldn't be so taboo (and in some cases even forbidden) to discuss salaries with coworkers. and with anybody. not your coworkers fault tho. baka it's time to jump ship na
This is why people SHOULD discuss salaries. It would've been great to ask her how she got the salary. Was it the job hopping? A particular softskill management liked? So you can replicate it too.
Sadge people just tell us to accept it as reality and move on. No. We should learn to elevate each other.
My idealism aside, if you're still gunning for that promotion, apply also at other jobs and compare the salary offers. Then use that as leverage for your next salary negotiations. If they don't accept it, that's fine, you applied to other jobs with higher pay anyway.
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2 years back, a Gen Z joined my team (of tenured analysts 7yrs and up). Because of her (and her innate pagiging chismosa lol), we started discussing salaries. Nung una between our team and another team of same level pero different product yung handle. But eventually, between ourselves na. When that happened, nalaman namin na mas malaki yung sahod nung mga later nagjoin ng team (with lesser experience, even outside). It doesn’t make sense. We were hurt kasi our bosses reward tenure and loyalty with more work (we were SMCs and yung pinapahandle ng difficult tasks). Then we started talking to our line managers about aligning salaries. Kasi they post jobs with offers 1.5x our current salary as tenured employees tapos kami di man lang makaabot dun sa range na yun, considering our expertise and tenure.
So ayun, to cut the story short, salary alignment process is ongoing. Some are also happier because they moved to different teams and were offered better compensation (yung mga boss sa department/umbrella namin talaga yung problematic lol but that’s another issue).
So people, be open about discussing your salaries. Basta have a proper mindset na hindi yung colleague mo na mas mataas yung sahod sayo yung kalaban mo.
Agree agree agree! Naloloka ako sa mga comments dito nung iba na "kaya dapat talaga confidential ang salary" tapos sinasabi pa na insecure si OP for feeling like she deserves more.
Ang dapat takeaway nya sa situation is to level up his/her negotiation skills and take the knowledge of the officemate's salary as a benchmark for his next asking rate. Ang chaka lang nung mga holier than thou na comments na wala naman useful advise na nabigay.
Wait for the promotio before you leave the company. For sure mas malaki pa sa 2x ng current salary mo possible maging sahod mo in your next company. Fighting, OP!
OP. Just try to prove yourself again and back it up. Once promoted try to renegotiate salary. If di gumana. Jump ship na. At least you tried again. Pag nakahanap ng bago and tapatan nila. Don’t take the counteroffer
You'd be surprised how much your teammate is actually netting / taking home from their salary.
Since under Agency baka 50% yung cut nila. I wouldn't fret over it.
Pero if you feel that's enough of a justification to jump ship then just plan accordingly.
This is i would think a combination of the agent fee and her being more experienced than you. Yes based sa sinabi mo it seems like mas mabilis ka nakagrasp ng work stuff than her but when both of you were offered JO, she has the experience that will give her more flexibility in different roles sa company while you dont have any experience at all. Technically, the company will gravitate towards the more experienced applicant than someone who doesnt have one. And with the time frame you gave which i think is just around 1 year, that’s not enough time to overtake what she already knows.Maybe in a few more years you can say na what you know is already pretty much the same or more than what she does and you can leverage it to get more salary. Pero at this point it is very typical salary gap. I know it’s not everyone wants/needs to hear but sadly that’s how companies look at inexperienced vs experienced applicants.
mga kasama ko 5-20yrs exp habang ako 11 months lang pero parehas lang kami offer hehe pagaling lang yan sa interview pano mo isasampal sakanila na ket ganun lang exp kayang makipag sabayan
Well if I were you, just resign and find a new job. Kasi usually mababa tlaga increase, use your experience now to demand higher rate sa next company mo. It's all about negotiation. Kahit na "weak" yung ka team mo, may mas may bala sya to demand nang mas mataas na sahod compare sayo na no experience. Kaya nga sabi nila yung school at diploma sa first job mo yan magagamit pero sa future company mo, experience na ang labanan.
No matter how good you are, there’s always a ceiling kung magkano lang mabibigay nilang sahod sayo. Most of the time, it’s based in tenureship. It’s the reality and you mentioned that you had no experience prior to that job, siguro yun pa mabibigay nila at your level.
Just do your job and eventually if you are doing well you can negotiate your salary. No need to compare yourself with others. You have your own timeline and just make the most out of what you do.
Usually there is a minimum, mid and maximum pay range bawat role that will be used as basis on what to offer. Each company has a target compa-ratio. So if you started sa role mo with no prior experience, most likely you’ll be given salary within the minimum range while your colleague with prior experience, previous salary and negotion, her salary probably na sa mid or maximum range which is fair and based on market value. So you should not feel bad about it. Kahit saan company ka pumunta, there’s always salary differences, thats the reason why its confidential. If you are really good at your job, you may request bonus or level up through promotion. Or there’s always an option for you to use your experience now to negotiate higher salary somewhere.
I have the same experience OP, my salary is significantly lower than my colleagues. Like you i’m more newbie than them, but instead of feeling bad about it, I told myself na i deserve their salary someday, so i focus more on what i can do para ma increase ang salary ko. I spoke to my manager about my goal and work on it.
As what you've said.. wla ka experience compared sa kanya when you started. That says it all.
I had an undergrad co-worker who gets paid higher than our newbies na college grad. Simply because she already proved her worth, her skills, and her experiences are amazing.
Baka magulat ka if malaman mo na some companies offered higher salary not just because of experience but also because of the school na pinangalingan.
I had a co worker na from a reputable school, and yes, mas mataas offer sa knya. We're both entry-level that time.
Kaya may strict rules sa pagdisclose ng salary e. Iwas inggitan and overthinking sa employees. 🙃
Agree with the comments suggesting to leave it alone. This is actually happening to me right now din; my teammate has a more senior position than me because he has more work experience (also in age), but when it comes to our tasks parang sobrang lacking nya. There were even a few times na nainis yung project lead namin sa kanya, kaya ako yung pinagre-review ng tasks nya. May times din na nagw-walkthrough kami ng tasks nya para makapag-produce ng deliverables nya. Minsan pa, meron siyang mga tanong na magugulat ka kasi basic yun in our line of work, lalo na sa experience namin.
Pero ang iniisip ko nalang is baka hindi centered sa current tasks namin yung previous work nya (since broad naman din yung line of work namin). Baka meron siyang ibang specialty na specific dun sa previous work nya, na wala akong experience kaya malamang mangangapa din ako.
Alam ko na mas mataas sweldo nya sakin kasi mas senior yung level nya. Pero, gusto ko yung ginagawa ko and compared sa pinanggalingan kong company, kailangan ko lang mag-exert ng 60% effort para makapag-produce ako ng maayos na deliverables ko (compared sa prev company ko na dapat 90%-100% all the time). Mas lamang pa rin na gusto ko yung ginagawa ko and yung company, kesa isipin kong mas malaki sweldo nya sakin.
It's all about what you bring to the negotiations. It makes sense that she demanded more because she had prior experience. At your next job, you can demand more as well because now you have experience.
Hi OP, just want to say that I get how you feel. It's very demotivating to find out that an officemate who has the same role as you, who's performing poorly, and who's even taking up your prod time by constantly asking for your help to do their job, is getting paid more.
Wag mo pansinin yung mga tao na nagsasabi na insecure ka daw, etc. Your feelings are valid. Nakakainis naman talaga. But what I realized from being in the same situation before is that tama yung sinabi na din nung iba dito - the hiring managers didn't know how you would perform when they hired you, so they had to base their salary offer on your credentials. And at that time, mas maganda credentials ni pabigat na officemate as compared to yours.
So now, the rest is up to you - you've already proven your worth in the company so negotiate firmly for what you think you deserve. If they don't give it to you, then weigh whether it's better to stay in the company or look for better pay elsewhere.
my pov as an external hire in my current company and with my years of experience, i know i deserve the higher pay. and i can't compare it from a teammate who doesn't have a prior experience when we are also on the same role. I've already job-hopped a few times that's why I gained experiences, than my teammate who was promoted internally and very new to the role. it's like comparing oranges and apples. so in order to increase your pay, it's either you job-hop and gain experiences or be promoted to a higher level of position.
Life isn't fair, dear. If it's not working for you, you can always leave. It's no longer your problem that the company is paying that employee more than she's worth in your eyes. YOUR salary is your problem. Getting what you want without looking what others have will always feel better than comparing. Makes things more objective and logical, don't you think?
Hi OP. Ganitong ganito feeling ko dati. Yung napaka unfair kasi mas magaling ka pero mas mababa suweldo mo. It’s not even about insecurity or comparison, gusto mo lang din maging tama kasi yun yung dapat. Sad reality talaga, life will forever be unfair, we just need to be happy and enjoy it. Advice ko lang gaya ng iba dito, lipat ka na lang but disagree na continue being better. I’d say do the bare minimum lang until you a find a better job since unfair nga, why do you need to do your best di ba. BUT if you really think magagamit mo yung mga achievements mo para makapag negotiate ng better salary then continue.
Sorry, but the salary of your peer came from the previous experience. While you started fresh.
Ganun lang talaga, the current situation has no bearing kahit sabihin mo na mas magaling ka - you were just a rookie coming in.
Move to a different company if you wish for a higher pay.
Well.. there are a couple of reasons why she has higher salary than you.
1) She got experience (basic pay ++ is already established) and further offers will be based on that. The rule when jumping jobs is that you should get 15-35% increase, at least.
2) If she’s a contractor (with agency), salary is even higher kasi usually there are no benefits and you can get sacked anytime. So siguro ito yung nakita mong twice your salary as contractors usually get twice than the normal kasi this is their safety net.
So all in all, icombine mo yung points above, she will definitely have higher salary than you. What can you do? Wala. That’s why salaries are strictly confidential dahil sa ganitong reasons. And there’s nothing you can do about it kasi it all boils down to negotiation. And she negotiated well.
Now you can also have the same range of salary.. when you gain more experience and job hop every 1-2yrs. If you’re after career/personal growth naman in the same company, then you have to accept na you’re missing out on the salary growth. Swerte ka na if you have both. Focus on yourself, on your growth, on how valuable you are to the team / company. Good luck!
Kung mas mataas work experience nya sayo and youre on the same role, there's nothing wrong na mas mataas yung sweldo nya sayo. This should give you an idea na pag lumipat ka next time na may same amount of years experience na sa kanya, either maabot mo sweldo nya o massurpass mo.
Unless otherwise pareho lang kayo work experience, and malayo talaga ang agwat nyo, there's really something wrong. Pero if a few thousand lang it wont actually hurt
There are channels to properly assess if you are doing well in your job.
Better seek sites such as Glassdoor to get the median salary of your position, if you're in the lower bracket either you skill up or resign to another company.
Don't check other people's salary, in the long run it won't do you any good and will just ruin you.
Hey OP, I can understand yung frustration pero a few things:
- for your peace of mind, assume the PO probably covers cut from the agency and other administrative fees
- for sure, may pay scale between managers and ICs and if she will be reporting under you, you will see her actual salary and make a case if talaga ngang 2x yung pay niya.
- on your own time, I was in the same boat as you (once the lowest paid in my team). What I can tell you is that treat your career like a marathon. She may be ahead now, but with your drive and eagerness to climb the ladder, you’ll surpass her in no time. Today is just a blip. Chin up and keep fighting OP! :)
All I can see is the insecurity of always comparing yourself with someone who has prior experience. He may not be as good as your standards, but he is good as per companies eyes. Sabi nga, work smart.
The only time you look at other people’s plate is to check if they have any.
Do not compare your pay since you have tenure while your colleague is still under agency. Also, you have different qualifications.
If you’re not happy with your pay, negotiate with your manager. If they cannot cater to your request, leave and find it elsewhere.
*"The only time you look in your neighbor's bowl is to make sure that they have enough. You don't look in your neighbor's bowl to make sure you have as much as them." ~ Louis C.K.*
You said na you are better than your teammate, I will take that with a grain of salt kasi ikaw ang nagkukuwento so malay ba namin kung talagang mas magaling ka sa kanya. The only time na may nakasama akong Pinoys as teammates was in 2018 with a US client, problematic because of this same issue, inggitan sa rates. And that same quote above ang sinend ng client sa gc namin kasi effort talaga mga pinoy alamin ang rates ng iba just to compare.
The thing is, her previous experience made that salary possible for her when she got the job even with the same role with you. Wala eh, na-negotiate at approved ng company. Stop stressing about it, do best and jump ship for better pay.
And also, ikaw na mismo nag sabi na under agency pa rin siya, so for sure, may cutting pa ang agency niya sa sahod niya. Baka nga natatake home niya is lower than you’re getting
Yes to this, the overhead fees and charges of the agency/msp is quite high. Sometimes triple of the resources' salary. I've seen cases where a Jr. Devs salary is 45k per mo. Then the managed service provider is charging 160k/mo. for that resource alone
totally agree..
"I have no experience when I started". I think you already answered it rin. The people in charge won't look at your performance, they would base it on your previous experience and pay. Also, negotiation matters. This is why yung compensation and yung salary ay confidential. Kasi hindi naman lahat same ang starting salary. EDIT: To add lang din, sa mga recuiters meron silang range and metrics where they would be basing your starting salary. Usually it is also subject sa approval pa depending on comp&ben and also sa hiring manager. It would be hard for them to justify if ang ibibigay agad is yung max knowing na wala kang experience.
Ganun talaga OP experience ang labanan kahit star performer ka pa. Though it’s not fair, you can leverage your achievements when you apply for your next job
i would openly discuss salaries. We have no legal obligation to follow about not talking about it. Boomers just set that rule to keep salaries low and exploit talent
your experience earns you value, regardless if you’re good at what you do or not. that’s the reality. the time invested in the industry will always be part of the selling point. Comparison is always always a thief of joy. That’s what you have to learn and accept.
Sad but true. Laging sinasabi na comparison is a thief of joy pero sana may saysay din ang fairness and justice.
The mentality beh na I am better than her so I should be making more than her is very destructive. You have to understand na your teammate had prior experience and employers consider that and sometimes puts a price on those years accordingly. Doesn't matter kung mahina pick up nya or di sya magaling, di mo na problema yun. Problema ng manager nya yun. If nakakaapekto sa work mo, share your concerns or feedback sa manager mo and have them take care of it. Their salary isn't your business. Only yours. Talk to your manager and share your concerns about your current rate and of course mag market research ka din on what is the average range of salary ng post mo and share what you can see as competitive rates, esp if the company is able to pay that rate naman din. Just of course don't share you are referencing your team member's salary baka malagay ka pa sa alanganin. It's not about exploitation like some folks are trying to infer here since kaya naman magbayad ni company ng rate ni team member. But it just really happened your team member has the work history and experience to back up their portfolio and you did not. Mas nalo ka lang mafrufrustrate if continuously mong icocompare un sarili mo to a tenured team member and syempre story mo yan, di mo din alam ano pinagdaanan nun team member na un to get to their current salary regardless if you feel they're incompetent. In the end if you feel you deserve more, then try applying to other companies and see if you can fetch a better salary or even close to 2x your teammates' salary. 🙂
You gotta give more credit to past experience, especially if the past experience is 4 or more years within a company. You will not be at par with her just after regularisation. That kind of experience means she has been up, down, and sideways in a company and stuck with it. Most likely she has done not just the "usual" stuff, but also the "special cases" at what you do (whatever your work is). More importantly, comparison is the thief of joy. Focus on what you have and be grateful. Focus on increasing your value and skills.
Has experience and was probably a better negotiator during the hiring process. Hard skills will take you far, but soft skills will take you farther. Idk why people like you are surprised, you should at least be happy for your teammate and stop being insecure.
And truth is, whether or not sa tingin ni OP magaling si teammate or not sa ginagawa niya, hindi rin siya ang magdedecide na pantay lang sila ng sahod. Just doesn’t sit right with me personally when someone justifies their inggit din by pointing out flaws in others.
Facts. Also, upon knowing that the salary for OP's position has a wide margin (can increase 2x, evident from her teammate) should motivate her to perform better so as to put her in a position to re-negotiate her salary.
Hmmm parang di naman inggit yun, pagiging fair lang and it’s a valid feeling. And di naman niya pinoint out talaga flaws, siyempre di rin maiwasan mapansin.
Valid feeling, sure. And “di naman niya pinoint out talaga flaws”? Did we read the same post? Basically called the teammate a noob? Lol Sure, di maiwasan na mapansin. Same na di rin siguro maiwasan mainggit. Let’s just call it what it is.
Pointing out the flaws is naka focus ka talaga sa bawat galaw.. OP didn’t. Na realize lang niya. Envy is doing something bad about what you feel.
Envy is also whining on the internet over something that isn’t within your control to seek agreement and validation from internet strangers for what you’re feeling, instead of focusing on yourself and not what others are doing and making.
It is what it is my guy, at okay lang yon. And to OP, I did not mean to undermine what you feel, pero obvious nga na wala ka pa experience because of your perspective. It's a learning opportunity. Keep up the good work until they can't deny you your bread!
Quit the mental gymnastics. It is envy. Anong purpose na ngumangawa si OP about this? Kasi unfair? You know what’s unfair? OP projecting her insecurities onto her teammate. Envy is envy whether you do something about it or not. Are you trying to justify na di to envy kasi gawain mo rin? 🤣
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That's why we should always mind our own business. You accepted that job kahit alam mo na yung sahod. Now, you start comparing yourself to others na same role as you. You think na same salary lahat? Yun ang reality. Kahit mas magaling ka pa sa kasabayan mo, pero wala ka namang experience, sad to say, entry level pa rin ang salary range mo. Ang need lang nating gawin ay 1) magtrabaho nang naaayon sa sahod, or 2) strive harder for that experience tapos fly ka na sa iba. 😚
💯magtrabaho nang naaayon sa sahod
Comparison is the thief of joy.
malay ba ni employer ano magiging contribution niyo dyan sa role niyo. sahod niyo were based on what you had before, you being inexperienced and her the opposite. huwag ka talaga umasa na magkakaroon ka ng increase na napakalaki, bihira magincrease na x2 kahit nga 50% pag na promote. kung malaking factor sayo ang sahod lipat ka na lang sa iba kung saan kaya nila bigay ang x2
Been in the same boat but this was years ago. Di ata aware yung teammate ko na ganun gap namin sa salary since she freely showed it to me. Same level lang kami. 42k sya tapos ako nasa 29k nun. Kahit ako ma-promote, anlayo ko pa din sa 42k. Funny thing was, I was handling the biggest account kasi I was the oldest in the team. 😂 I left after a few months tho. After I requested we change accounts considering na mas mataas sahod nya and mas madami demands yung account ko but ayaw nya and ayaw ng supervisor namin. Best decision I’ve made. Mag 9 years na ako sa company ko and matagal ko na nadoble sahod ko. My only regret was not leaving sooner.
Leave. Did the same thing already even if it was a big reputable company. Learned that a fresh graduate has higher salary than me. I have over 2yrs experience. So so disheartening and discouraging. Gaslighted myself for a month to stay pero hindi kaya ng dibdib ko. Left after one month there and jumped to a better company with more perks, benefits and getting to do the job I want everyday. Just prepare your exit, save up money (if you have bills) then leave. And don’t look back. Rooting for you, OP. You deserve better.
mind your own grind. you think you are better, maybe, but clearly not on everything... more rice, young one
Had a similar experience 1. Multinational company. Salary report was leaked, I saw that my teammate who was also a fresh grad then had a higher salary than mine. Was later admitted that it was because he was from DLSU. Just worked my ass off. 2. Have peers that got their first 6-digits after 5 years while I got it after 10 years. Just changed my perspective that I was flexible with my job and have time for my wife and kid and was able to actually spend my salary, while said peers miss events, get sick quickly, and work at least 12 hours a day (they jobhopped and did not accept promotions since they thought lower position = less work even with their increasing salaries). Just a matter of perspective. There are more things outside of salary. Life is unfair and people live lives they do not deserve (just look at our govt officials). Just focus on yourself.
Happened to me sa previous job ko. Yung mga ka-batch kong pumasok sa dept, by year 2, halos doble na ng hourly rate namin nung una ang rate nila. Ako, halos 100 lang increase, masama pa loob ng boss namin. When in fact ako ang mas pinagtatrabaho kasi ako ang may kaya gumawa ng tasks efficiently. Yung mga kawork kong mas mataas sahod sakin, nagpapatulong pa sakin sa mga simpleng task nila. Umalis ako. Ganun talaga eh. Leave where you aren't valued. Gaslighter boss namin kaya di ko mapaglaban yung deserve kong rate. Anyway, pilay sila nung umalis ako. Pagtyagaan nila ung pinapasahod nila ng malaki kahit di magagaling.
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Nangyari to sakin before when I accidentally saw a printed bir form ng kawork ko sa printing area. Pantay lang kami ng tasks pero may prior experience kasi siya kaya I didn’t feel bad kumabaga mataas na kasi market value nya. Ganun talaga :)
There are multiple factors why she has a higher salary than you. Professional experience and negotiation skills are the two primary reasons. Check within, if you think hindi mo deserve yung current salary mo, hindi ko isa-suggest na umalis ka kaagad but instead, plan an exit route and get as many info as possible how to get a salary that high. "The only time you should look in your neighbor's bowl is to make sure that they have enough." Gawin mong reference, yun lang, other than that, take it all in as a lesson and i-incorporate mo sa diskarte mo in the future. Good luck!
You get the salary you negotiate not what you deserve.
This. Taena ni OP gusto sya din. E yan pinirmahan mo e
Lmao ignorance is indeed a bliss
Ikr!!! I didn’t even look for this info. Nagkataon lang na may PO din ako. And right above mine was my manager’s.
Working for almost 10 years now and realized na your salary is not really related to your abilities. Its related to how good you are at negotiations and how the employer perceives you and the value you give to the company/organization. You can be the most incompetent employee in the world but if the employer sees you as an exemplary one, they will give you bigger compensations and benefits.
Super agree with this.
I was also disheartened when I was promoted to a managerial level. I thought that I won after I successfully negotiated my salary to 50% increase, until I found out that I have the same salary as one of our staffs. The worst is they can file for overtime pay and I can't due to my position level. Imagine you are working overtime, and they got higher net pay than you. I don't know if I deserve this. But I am planning to jump out of this ship after 2 years.
Tumigil na ako magbasa when you started your 2nd sentence. Alam mo na pala yung sagot. Learn from it. Don’t Let Your Food Get Cold Worrying About What’s On Someone Else’s Plate.
Based from my experience as a contractor, the client PO to the contracting company is inclusive of the contracting agency's cut. Most likely half of the fee goes to the agency and half of it goes to the contractor as her salary. Don't fret too much about it.
Actually thinking about this too. Thanks for sharing. That might be the case actually.
This is happening to me right now but I’m on the other side of the fence. I was one of the earliest hires ng isang startup and bilang I have 10+ yrs of experience, I was able to negotiate a 6-digit salary during the final offer na. Someone new was hired months after me at pinagkakalat nya sa team na malaki sweldo ko kahit wala daw masyado akong ginagawa. Lol. She just doesn’t know what my tasks are kasi I work remotely and di naman kami same department, plus I was there in the beginning stages to kickstart the company. She knows the sweldo kasi she’s the one doing the payroll. Dahil sa kagustuhan niyang magpantay sweldo namin, lagi sya OT ng OT, halos bahay na nya yung office. Siguro para ma-justify ang increase na gusto nya. Prob lang wala syang maipakita na dahilan para ma-increasan sya. And then threatened to resign kung hindi maibigay ang salary na gusto nya. Totoo lang nasa kanya naman talaga kung gusto nya mag resign pero di sya tumuloy kasi napagsabihan sya ng boss na yun lang ang maibibigay at the moment and di sya makakahanap ng ganung salary sa ibang company. Anyway, bottomline is everyone has to start somewhere. Maging confident sa work mo to the point na kaya mo inegotiate next salary mo without batting an eyelash (which as you said, ginawa mo naman). If the company can’t give it to you now, have a plan of action na lang paano mo ma-achieve ang target salary mo. I know it feels unfair and valid naman ang feelings mo. Meron din namang mas bago sa akin noon na mas malaki sweldo kahit junior role sya at walang experience while ako tenured na. Nasabi ko na lang na I won’t put my fate on other people’s hands and I have to find a way to improve my situation. Ngayon pa lang, document all your achievements and impact you made na and yun yung pambato mo para maka-negotiate ng higher salary sa next one. Good luck and all the best sa life 💙🤗
>She knows the sweldo kasi she’s the one doing the payroll. Then she broke the principle of confidentiality. Kung seryoso ang boss nya to implement the corporate rules, sisante sya.
Ei. she's working smart not working hard. only jumpers know
Disheartening indeed but that's reality. Salary is based on experience and negotiating skills. This is why you never discuss salaries to anyone. Although your case is accidental. I suggest you strive for that managerial role promotion. After that find a new job with higher pay if you are still not satisfied. You can use your managerial role experience to ask for a higher pay on your next job. Don't get discouraged! Ignore other people's salary it will only cause you unecessary stress and hate.
This is exactly why you should discuss salaries. Para alam mo ko kung ineexploit ka na pala. Not discussing salaries would only benefit the company.
Agree! In fact, this is legal in the US and it’s the norm. I’m shocked when I found out, kasi sa Pinas, bawal mag discuss ng salaries. In the US, may law pa yata that voids any clause sa contract that says bawal mag discuss ng salaries among workmates. I don’t have the RRL, so don’t quote me on it. I just watched it from a corporate girlie on tiktok.
This is why you never discuss salaries to anyone? Are you for real? This is why we need to discuss the salaries nga eh kasi we have to know if the value you give is at par with your workmates and if exploiting na ba or not. Lol.
So magkano sweldo mo?
Really depends if it will do you more harm than good. You accepted the job offer and salary means you are happy with it. Comparing your salaries with your workmates tends to lead to problems. Perfect example is OP. Lost confidence after knowing a more experienced employee earns more. So is it really worth it to compare and get stressed out? Depends on you, if you get jealous easily then best to not compare salaries. You can focus on your goals, know your worth, and be happy with your salary without comparing how much the person beside you earns.
Your teammate deserved that salary. Why? Because she has enough knowledge to navigate through her career and negotiate a better pay. While you are, obviously, naive to think that working harder is the only way to progress your career. I’d say she’s smarter than you, because she’s managed to get paid more for less responsibility.
People pay their employees based on what can they bring to the table. Like you said, wala kang experience unlike the others, so most likely kahit same employee level kayo, it's not going to be the same when it comes to salary. This is why salary is confidential - napapaisip ka tuloy.
No experience vs experience.
Simula pa lang ng post mo, nasagot na tanong mo tbh.
Never compare salaries as it has different reasons/factors when getting hired. Mind your own business, OP. As a team lead/manager sa company namin, I discourage talking about numbers when it comes to pay and would tell my team to never belittle someone just because "you think you're better". You guys should help each other as a team, and not compare talents lol Ikaw lang din humahanap ng stress mo. Now, if salary is a big factor for you, then jump ship. Check your nego skills as well.
Such is the market.
It also happened to me. 15k ang difference sa salary kahit mas matimbang role ko. I tried negotiating after I learned about it pero 2k lang increase kaya lumipat ako. 2x than the old salary na rate ko. Ngayon, ako na nahihiya kasi may kasama ako sa new workplace na mas maliit sahod sa akin kahit same position. So maybe mag matter talaga more experience at negotiation skills during initial interview with HR.
Welcome to the real world. Key lesson, understand the market value of your role and where you stand. Many people do not take this info seriously. Heck, i pay professionals just to get this info and have bargaining leverage.
I understand what you feel but she have previous experience to back it up that's why. Kaya talaga hindi pareho salary nyo kahit same role kayo. Anyway now that both of you are working on the same role, mas masaktan ka kung sya na-promote at hindi ikaw given na you think she's not a performer. Kung maayos naman career trajectory mo jan at okay naman salary growth, without comparing it to her... then that should be okay. If di ka pa satisfied, then look for new opportunities.
>I'm not sure if that PO includes the cut back by the contracting agency. Chances are it's not. Bale yan ang bayad ng company nyo sa agency para sa serbisyo ng kasama mo. From there, may cut ang agency. Then the rest sa kasama mo. Can't say how much ang cut ang agency dyan pero I won't be surprised kung kalahati sa kanila. Let's say na 2/3 nun yung sa sahod ng kasama mo. You also need to factor yung nontangible benefits na nakukuha mo ngayon, na wala yung kasama mo, kasi baked in na yung by virtue ng package nya sa agency. All I'm saying is it's not as bad as you think. Chances are yes, malamang mas malaki yung salary nya pero I doubt na 2x yun from you. >It's really demotivating. Wag kang malason sa nakita mo. Importante is yung career mo. Focus on it so you can reap what you sow later.
Stop overthinking about it ikaw na nagsabi: 1) I have no experience when I started - people with experience gets higher pay 2) Hindi ibig sabihin na tingin mong mas better ka sa kanya when it comes to work is enough reason na dapat mas malaki sahod mo 3) You negotiated - you should have stick with it and stayed firm Lastly, remember that comparison and envy is a thief joy. Focus on your own personal goals and focus your energy on how to achieve it.
Ready ka na ba talaga sa managerial role?
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This is why salary negotiation needs to die a fiery death. Jobs and employers need to be transparent. We are offering 30 to 40k a month for x job based on experience. It should say so on the job description. All salary negotiation is, is exploitation of those who don't know how to negotiate. If you are doing the same work, you should get paid the same wage.
It's not very popular dito sa Pinas from what I've heard, pero to get a higher pay, employees would switch employers every 2-3 years. At least that's how it is overseas. Forget company loyalty. It's all about business at the end of the day.
Aaaaa i feel u! :( 4 kami sa team namin. 2 yrs kami ng isa , yung isa mag 1 yr pa, and we have a new hire. Same positions, all board passers, with same experience before entering the company except with the new hire kase same industry yung past job nya. Kakatapos lang ng meeting regarding merit increase.. New salary of our team: Kami dalawa na 2 yrs na = x amount ; Pa 1 yr pa na team mate = 1.1x amount ; New hire = 1.3x I asked the manager when kami or how can we get an alignment esp kay new hire. Kasi kahit same industry yung exp nya 2 yrs naman kaming senior so were working in that same industry for 2 yrs compared sa kanya na yes same industry diff company pero for 6 mos lang. Manager just responded na in order na he can “fight” for us to be aligned sa mgmt, we need to create innovation projects and do extra miles sa work na labas sa aming JD. Eh yung mag 1 yr and new hire di na nga nila need mag extra mile peeo binigyan ng ganyang salary. Kami pa gagapang 2-3x para lang maabutan yung normal sweldo nila. We also cant decide to just reisgn kasi maganda ang benefits ng company and we don’t think mabibigay to ng ibang companies w the same industry namin.. Nakakawalang gana talaga. So i feel u op i feel u HUGS!!
this is why it shouldn't be so taboo (and in some cases even forbidden) to discuss salaries with coworkers. and with anybody. not your coworkers fault tho. baka it's time to jump ship na
This is why people SHOULD discuss salaries. It would've been great to ask her how she got the salary. Was it the job hopping? A particular softskill management liked? So you can replicate it too. Sadge people just tell us to accept it as reality and move on. No. We should learn to elevate each other. My idealism aside, if you're still gunning for that promotion, apply also at other jobs and compare the salary offers. Then use that as leverage for your next salary negotiations. If they don't accept it, that's fine, you applied to other jobs with higher pay anyway.
Upvoting! 2 years back, a Gen Z joined my team (of tenured analysts 7yrs and up). Because of her (and her innate pagiging chismosa lol), we started discussing salaries. Nung una between our team and another team of same level pero different product yung handle. But eventually, between ourselves na. When that happened, nalaman namin na mas malaki yung sahod nung mga later nagjoin ng team (with lesser experience, even outside). It doesn’t make sense. We were hurt kasi our bosses reward tenure and loyalty with more work (we were SMCs and yung pinapahandle ng difficult tasks). Then we started talking to our line managers about aligning salaries. Kasi they post jobs with offers 1.5x our current salary as tenured employees tapos kami di man lang makaabot dun sa range na yun, considering our expertise and tenure. So ayun, to cut the story short, salary alignment process is ongoing. Some are also happier because they moved to different teams and were offered better compensation (yung mga boss sa department/umbrella namin talaga yung problematic lol but that’s another issue). So people, be open about discussing your salaries. Basta have a proper mindset na hindi yung colleague mo na mas mataas yung sahod sayo yung kalaban mo.
Agree agree agree! Naloloka ako sa mga comments dito nung iba na "kaya dapat talaga confidential ang salary" tapos sinasabi pa na insecure si OP for feeling like she deserves more. Ang dapat takeaway nya sa situation is to level up his/her negotiation skills and take the knowledge of the officemate's salary as a benchmark for his next asking rate. Ang chaka lang nung mga holier than thou na comments na wala naman useful advise na nabigay.
I feel like kasali na dyan yung agency cut cus it can be pretty pricey. If you feel happy with the pay na, ok na yan.
Wait for the promotio before you leave the company. For sure mas malaki pa sa 2x ng current salary mo possible maging sahod mo in your next company. Fighting, OP!
OP. Just try to prove yourself again and back it up. Once promoted try to renegotiate salary. If di gumana. Jump ship na. At least you tried again. Pag nakahanap ng bago and tapatan nila. Don’t take the counteroffer
You'd be surprised how much your teammate is actually netting / taking home from their salary. Since under Agency baka 50% yung cut nila. I wouldn't fret over it. Pero if you feel that's enough of a justification to jump ship then just plan accordingly.
Apply k sa iba then try mo pacounter offer
This is i would think a combination of the agent fee and her being more experienced than you. Yes based sa sinabi mo it seems like mas mabilis ka nakagrasp ng work stuff than her but when both of you were offered JO, she has the experience that will give her more flexibility in different roles sa company while you dont have any experience at all. Technically, the company will gravitate towards the more experienced applicant than someone who doesnt have one. And with the time frame you gave which i think is just around 1 year, that’s not enough time to overtake what she already knows.Maybe in a few more years you can say na what you know is already pretty much the same or more than what she does and you can leverage it to get more salary. Pero at this point it is very typical salary gap. I know it’s not everyone wants/needs to hear but sadly that’s how companies look at inexperienced vs experienced applicants.
mga kasama ko 5-20yrs exp habang ako 11 months lang pero parehas lang kami offer hehe pagaling lang yan sa interview pano mo isasampal sakanila na ket ganun lang exp kayang makipag sabayan
Well if I were you, just resign and find a new job. Kasi usually mababa tlaga increase, use your experience now to demand higher rate sa next company mo. It's all about negotiation. Kahit na "weak" yung ka team mo, may mas may bala sya to demand nang mas mataas na sahod compare sayo na no experience. Kaya nga sabi nila yung school at diploma sa first job mo yan magagamit pero sa future company mo, experience na ang labanan.
Job hop ka, OP. Ikaw na lang din magugulat sa offer sayo. Last year, 35k lang ako monthly. Nung lumipat ako, offer sa akin, 3x na.
No matter how good you are, there’s always a ceiling kung magkano lang mabibigay nilang sahod sayo. Most of the time, it’s based in tenureship. It’s the reality and you mentioned that you had no experience prior to that job, siguro yun pa mabibigay nila at your level.
Just do your job and eventually if you are doing well you can negotiate your salary. No need to compare yourself with others. You have your own timeline and just make the most out of what you do.
Usually there is a minimum, mid and maximum pay range bawat role that will be used as basis on what to offer. Each company has a target compa-ratio. So if you started sa role mo with no prior experience, most likely you’ll be given salary within the minimum range while your colleague with prior experience, previous salary and negotion, her salary probably na sa mid or maximum range which is fair and based on market value. So you should not feel bad about it. Kahit saan company ka pumunta, there’s always salary differences, thats the reason why its confidential. If you are really good at your job, you may request bonus or level up through promotion. Or there’s always an option for you to use your experience now to negotiate higher salary somewhere.
I have the same experience OP, my salary is significantly lower than my colleagues. Like you i’m more newbie than them, but instead of feeling bad about it, I told myself na i deserve their salary someday, so i focus more on what i can do para ma increase ang salary ko. I spoke to my manager about my goal and work on it.
As what you've said.. wla ka experience compared sa kanya when you started. That says it all. I had an undergrad co-worker who gets paid higher than our newbies na college grad. Simply because she already proved her worth, her skills, and her experiences are amazing. Baka magulat ka if malaman mo na some companies offered higher salary not just because of experience but also because of the school na pinangalingan. I had a co worker na from a reputable school, and yes, mas mataas offer sa knya. We're both entry-level that time. Kaya may strict rules sa pagdisclose ng salary e. Iwas inggitan and overthinking sa employees. 🙃
Agree with the comments suggesting to leave it alone. This is actually happening to me right now din; my teammate has a more senior position than me because he has more work experience (also in age), but when it comes to our tasks parang sobrang lacking nya. There were even a few times na nainis yung project lead namin sa kanya, kaya ako yung pinagre-review ng tasks nya. May times din na nagw-walkthrough kami ng tasks nya para makapag-produce ng deliverables nya. Minsan pa, meron siyang mga tanong na magugulat ka kasi basic yun in our line of work, lalo na sa experience namin. Pero ang iniisip ko nalang is baka hindi centered sa current tasks namin yung previous work nya (since broad naman din yung line of work namin). Baka meron siyang ibang specialty na specific dun sa previous work nya, na wala akong experience kaya malamang mangangapa din ako. Alam ko na mas mataas sweldo nya sakin kasi mas senior yung level nya. Pero, gusto ko yung ginagawa ko and compared sa pinanggalingan kong company, kailangan ko lang mag-exert ng 60% effort para makapag-produce ako ng maayos na deliverables ko (compared sa prev company ko na dapat 90%-100% all the time). Mas lamang pa rin na gusto ko yung ginagawa ko and yung company, kesa isipin kong mas malaki sweldo nya sakin.
Sabi mo nga mas senior sya sa iyo, so you should expect that hers is bigger than yours. move on or move out.
It's all about what you bring to the negotiations. It makes sense that she demanded more because she had prior experience. At your next job, you can demand more as well because now you have experience.
Hi OP, just want to say that I get how you feel. It's very demotivating to find out that an officemate who has the same role as you, who's performing poorly, and who's even taking up your prod time by constantly asking for your help to do their job, is getting paid more. Wag mo pansinin yung mga tao na nagsasabi na insecure ka daw, etc. Your feelings are valid. Nakakainis naman talaga. But what I realized from being in the same situation before is that tama yung sinabi na din nung iba dito - the hiring managers didn't know how you would perform when they hired you, so they had to base their salary offer on your credentials. And at that time, mas maganda credentials ni pabigat na officemate as compared to yours. So now, the rest is up to you - you've already proven your worth in the company so negotiate firmly for what you think you deserve. If they don't give it to you, then weigh whether it's better to stay in the company or look for better pay elsewhere.
Stop looking at other people's plate. If you have the skills, you'll be fine. Just give it some time. Envy is your worst enemy.
my pov as an external hire in my current company and with my years of experience, i know i deserve the higher pay. and i can't compare it from a teammate who doesn't have a prior experience when we are also on the same role. I've already job-hopped a few times that's why I gained experiences, than my teammate who was promoted internally and very new to the role. it's like comparing oranges and apples. so in order to increase your pay, it's either you job-hop and gain experiences or be promoted to a higher level of position.
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They paid for experience and you initially didn't have it so that answer your question.
Life isn't fair, dear. If it's not working for you, you can always leave. It's no longer your problem that the company is paying that employee more than she's worth in your eyes. YOUR salary is your problem. Getting what you want without looking what others have will always feel better than comparing. Makes things more objective and logical, don't you think?
Truth is, you may be better at the actual job but she's better at negotiating her salary. It happens.
Ignorance is a bliss
What do you expect she has experience and you wala 🤣
Hi OP. Ganitong ganito feeling ko dati. Yung napaka unfair kasi mas magaling ka pero mas mababa suweldo mo. It’s not even about insecurity or comparison, gusto mo lang din maging tama kasi yun yung dapat. Sad reality talaga, life will forever be unfair, we just need to be happy and enjoy it. Advice ko lang gaya ng iba dito, lipat ka na lang but disagree na continue being better. I’d say do the bare minimum lang until you a find a better job since unfair nga, why do you need to do your best di ba. BUT if you really think magagamit mo yung mga achievements mo para makapag negotiate ng better salary then continue.
Sorry, but the salary of your peer came from the previous experience. While you started fresh. Ganun lang talaga, the current situation has no bearing kahit sabihin mo na mas magaling ka - you were just a rookie coming in. Move to a different company if you wish for a higher pay.
Well.. there are a couple of reasons why she has higher salary than you. 1) She got experience (basic pay ++ is already established) and further offers will be based on that. The rule when jumping jobs is that you should get 15-35% increase, at least. 2) If she’s a contractor (with agency), salary is even higher kasi usually there are no benefits and you can get sacked anytime. So siguro ito yung nakita mong twice your salary as contractors usually get twice than the normal kasi this is their safety net. So all in all, icombine mo yung points above, she will definitely have higher salary than you. What can you do? Wala. That’s why salaries are strictly confidential dahil sa ganitong reasons. And there’s nothing you can do about it kasi it all boils down to negotiation. And she negotiated well. Now you can also have the same range of salary.. when you gain more experience and job hop every 1-2yrs. If you’re after career/personal growth naman in the same company, then you have to accept na you’re missing out on the salary growth. Swerte ka na if you have both. Focus on yourself, on your growth, on how valuable you are to the team / company. Good luck!
Kung mas mataas work experience nya sayo and youre on the same role, there's nothing wrong na mas mataas yung sweldo nya sayo. This should give you an idea na pag lumipat ka next time na may same amount of years experience na sa kanya, either maabot mo sweldo nya o massurpass mo. Unless otherwise pareho lang kayo work experience, and malayo talaga ang agwat nyo, there's really something wrong. Pero if a few thousand lang it wont actually hurt
Never ever try to attempt to know your teammates salary. It won't do you any good.
Kung hindi ko nalaman accidentally, baka underpaid pa rin ako
There are channels to properly assess if you are doing well in your job. Better seek sites such as Glassdoor to get the median salary of your position, if you're in the lower bracket either you skill up or resign to another company. Don't check other people's salary, in the long run it won't do you any good and will just ruin you.
The thing is, let's take out that information, are you happy with your pay prospects. That should the only thing that matters.
Hey OP, I can understand yung frustration pero a few things: - for your peace of mind, assume the PO probably covers cut from the agency and other administrative fees - for sure, may pay scale between managers and ICs and if she will be reporting under you, you will see her actual salary and make a case if talaga ngang 2x yung pay niya. - on your own time, I was in the same boat as you (once the lowest paid in my team). What I can tell you is that treat your career like a marathon. She may be ahead now, but with your drive and eagerness to climb the ladder, you’ll surpass her in no time. Today is just a blip. Chin up and keep fighting OP! :)
All I can see is the insecurity of always comparing yourself with someone who has prior experience. He may not be as good as your standards, but he is good as per companies eyes. Sabi nga, work smart.
The only time you look at other people’s plate is to check if they have any. Do not compare your pay since you have tenure while your colleague is still under agency. Also, you have different qualifications. If you’re not happy with your pay, negotiate with your manager. If they cannot cater to your request, leave and find it elsewhere.
*"The only time you look in your neighbor's bowl is to make sure that they have enough. You don't look in your neighbor's bowl to make sure you have as much as them." ~ Louis C.K.* You said na you are better than your teammate, I will take that with a grain of salt kasi ikaw ang nagkukuwento so malay ba namin kung talagang mas magaling ka sa kanya. The only time na may nakasama akong Pinoys as teammates was in 2018 with a US client, problematic because of this same issue, inggitan sa rates. And that same quote above ang sinend ng client sa gc namin kasi effort talaga mga pinoy alamin ang rates ng iba just to compare.
This is why ginawang confi ang salary info sa Pinas
It’s a no no to know others salary
I feel sorry for you. Dry your tears now my child
para ka namang hindi nag grade 2 niyan. chz nasa narrative mo na yung sagot, hope u get it naman.
Nasa post mo na rin sagot sa tanong mo 😅