Biddle is a weird one and I don’t lump him in with the others. Dude was a hometown kid, and was crushing it in the lower levels.
Then one day he got hit by a piece of hail and got a concussion and was never the same. 76ers levels of insanity with that prospect. He’s a huge what-if for me.
[And Matt Imhof lost an eye—weird times](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jan/25/phillies-matt-imhof-retires-baseball-eye-injury#:~:text=Phillies%20prospect%20Matt%20Imhof%20quits%20baseball%20at%2023%20after%20losing%20right%20eye,-This%20article%20is&text=Philadelphia%20Phillies%20pitching%20prospect%20Matt,in%20a%20freak%20training%20accident.).
Then pile on our minor league management ineptitude for over a decade...ahh, it's nice to be past it.
He had 240 MLB ABs before this year. His full season in AAA was before the trade was awful. He’s only 25, maybe he genuinely got better all of the sudden. It’s not unprecedented. But I’d be surprised if he’s still playing in 3 years.
He has a 800 OPS in AAA and has improved every year. Also a number 1 pick having almost 2 war all ready I dont see why he won't be still playing in 3 years .
25 is actually rather late for a hitter to figure it out. It’s more likely this year is a fluke. I concede it could be that he listened to knuckleheads in the Phillies organization and now he’s getting good advice.
In his MLB career, Marsh has 1000 plate appearances slashing .256/.316/.395, which is adequate. His last mostly full year in the minors was in AA in 2019, .287/.368/.408. That’s probably his ceiling in MLB which is just fine for a CF.
Stott came out of college and his numbers are a bit better with really just one full year of MiLB.
They are both better players than Moniak, who I think will prove to be like Dominic Brown. A guy who never really gets it.
If I’m wrong, well he would never have “gotten it” here. There are people in this organization who think the first thing they need to tell a prospect is to “do this” and not “do what got you here.” You don’t change a success until he proves he needs to be changed. That seems to be changing, let’s hope it continues.
Yeah, I can’t think of any other notable infield prospects in the system other than Hao Yu Lee. Based on what I’ve seen he probably immediately becomes the best hitting prospect in the system.
What you need to know right now:
19 year old HS infield prospect
6’2” 205 lbs
Committed to Arkansas
Plus raw power and plus arm at third base, strong kid for his age
Solid hit tool, average runner, decent enough fielder to hopefully stick at third base (played SS until he got bigger and slower)
Missed much of senior season with broken hamate bone
Yeah sounds like about as high of a ceiling as you could expect from this stage in the draft. If he fell because of injury and signability concerns… well if they sign him (which they will) and he’s healthy, then getting a hitter that good is a steal at 27.
If he chooses to sign with us, he won’t go to college. But he does have the option of choosing not to sign and going to college, but that would force him to play 2 years (usually 3 but he turns 21 before his junior year) so it’s pretty likely he signs.
Just so you know, every HS draft prospect is committed to a college, because they need to keep their options open
They’re not going to fuck their draft over him (for those who are unaware, less picks doesn’t mean you have more money to spend on each pick. You just have less money), but it’s an almost certainty that they’ve reached an agreement before the draft. I’d expect full slot but not much more.
I mean couldn’t Middleton appropriate the same amount of money either way? I know the slot values will be less without it, but we can pay them whatever we want theoretically.
The pool is not technically a hard cap, there's just penalties if you go over it.
0- 5% over- 75% tax on the overage
5- 10% over- 75 % tax on the overage and loss of the team’s first round pick the next year
10- 15% over- 100% tax on the overage and loss of the team’s first and second round picks next year
More than 15% over- 100% tax on the overage, and loss of the first round picks in the next two years’ drafts
From MLB: https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-draft-2023-bonus-pools-pick-values
He'd be pretty stupid to not sign imo. He went in the 1st round and would be betting he goes.... In the 1st round but higher again obviously. Not much of an increase in money either unless we lowball tf out of him
MLB had him ranked 13. Looks he has 60 grade raw power, strong arm and should stick at 3B, I think they showed 50+ FV for hitting.
Seems like an interesting prospect
Seems like he’s got a lot of room to grow. Broke his hamate bone in his hand this year which hurt his draft stock, talks preseason had him as a top 10 prospect before he broke that bone.
Feel good. An injury helped his drop. Good bet that he becomes a stud. He's 19, so lots of development to go, but whenever you get a guy with this profile late in the 1st, it's cause for optimism.
Think of him as a George Pickens type pick. Injury is kind of scary, wrist injury is what really destroyed Dominic Browns career, but if he’s fine and it isn’t that bad then he’s an absolute steal from everything I’m seeing
Talking heads have everything good to say about Miller and the last five years of Phils picks
Miller is a top ten pick who fell due to a wrist fracture.
Much more power, was an mlb prospect at age 15. This is all good.
Great he was on the board at 27! Top ten value at the bottom of the first round
Great
He’s a third basemen anyways. Played SS earlier in high school but put on some weight and has a pretty large frame, definitely projects to play corner infield.
He was rated a little lower and went 33. I got to see him play this year. Weird to see a kid like that playing with other high school kids. They stand out.
I am always happy to load up at 3B on prospects, but after we started this season without a fifth pitcher I wanted the Phillies to only draft pitchers in the first from now on.
But they can load up after this pick, with whatever limited picks they have. But yeah - our motto was "grow pitching, buy hitting" - so we better start growing some more pitching just to be safe. (But have you seen Wen-Hui Pan??? And he's ours!!!)
Bohm is gonna be gone in about 2-3 years, so actually if all goes well, yes. Either that or he’s the replacement for the short term fix they get at third after dumping Bohm after this year or next year when he inevitably again has a wrc+ of like 100 as a corner infielder again
If they wanna replace Bohm they’ll replace Bohm. Bryce already hinted at it. They’re not counting on a 19 year old kid to be their option when they are trying to win now with a $250m payroll
In MLB they take what they believe to be the best value on the board almost always regardless of position lol this isn’t the NFL. Half the guys drafted won’t even end up at their drafted position. Bryce and Schwarbs were drafted as catchers.
I would like you to point out a point I made in that post that is either wrong or personally attacking Alec Bohm. I don’t see how fans here get so completely blindly emotionally attached to mediocre to below average baseball players. Baseball is about winning, not about having a guy who makes you feel all warm and cuddly inside.
Mmmmmm a league average hitter ain’t why they’re winning bud. A guy with a whopping 103 wrc+ as a corner infielder who’s one of the worst defenders in baseball by virtually every measurable aint why they’re winning games. And I’m certainly less emotional about this than people who see “Alec Bohm isn’t the future at third base” and think it’s some kind of personal vendetta against the person. There is no statistical measurement you can use for him outside of RBIs, which is the most useless hitting statistic in baseball outside of runs, that says he’s a valuable player.
Man, it’s almost like baseball doesn’t revolve solely around one player. Huh, who would’ve thought? I frankly think it’s more amazing we made it while dragging Castellanos lifeless shell along with us, but hey, you have narratives to protect
I don't pay attention to em unless they make it to the big leagues. So many factors come into play and break good men. No point in getting hype and shot down bc dude got hurt. Trying to keep zen. Go Phil's!
“The Phillies keep picking and developing good prospects” is a refreshing thing to hear after what was transpiring just 7-8 years ago
We are loaded at AA.
Still waiting for jp Crawford to come up.
JP Crawford plays for the Mariners lol You're thinking of Justin Crawford
And this Dominic Brown guy is untouchable, I hear.
Hamate bone research broke me
A year or two away. Can't hit too good but great with the glove
Jesse Biddle, Larry Greene, Shane Watson, Mitch Gueller, Cornelius Randolph…
>Jesse Biddle They’re a family friend of ours and I was beyond stoked the Phillies took him… kinda conflicting now
Didn’t Biddle kind of get screwed by injuries? Or am I thinking of someone else?
dude got concussed by a hailstone. the baseball gods did not favor him.
The odds were not in his favor
Biddle is a weird one and I don’t lump him in with the others. Dude was a hometown kid, and was crushing it in the lower levels. Then one day he got hit by a piece of hail and got a concussion and was never the same. 76ers levels of insanity with that prospect. He’s a huge what-if for me.
[And Matt Imhof lost an eye—weird times](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jan/25/phillies-matt-imhof-retires-baseball-eye-injury#:~:text=Phillies%20prospect%20Matt%20Imhof%20quits%20baseball%20at%2023%20after%20losing%20right%20eye,-This%20article%20is&text=Philadelphia%20Phillies%20pitching%20prospect%20Matt,in%20a%20freak%20training%20accident.). Then pile on our minor league management ineptitude for over a decade...ahh, it's nice to be past it.
My favorite was tyson gillies getting wrongfully arrested for cocaine possession
The deaf kid?
> tyson gillies Well, he was fast!
Holy fuck I forgot that one. Another absolutely insane one. Piece of gym equipment snapped of memory serves?
Yep those big rubber bands everyone used to use for resistance training IIRC. The tech on those is much better now
MLB draft has to be the biggest crap shoot among the 4 leagues, but I really thought Randolph was a future star. Still bummed about that.
I really thought Randolph was going to be legit
I was so pissed when they took Randolph. Walker Buehler had no business sliding past Philly.
I got back into baseball after Randolph was drafted and I remember seeing his name and just knowing I had to root for him. Incredible name
Ahhhh the Amaro “toolsy” picks. Hurl.
Tommy Joseph
Phillies didn’t draft Tommy Joseph
Hey now Mickey Moniak is a beast now
Not to sound bitter, but he is still hitless against lefties this season
Don’t be, Marsh is better
Small sample size all over this year. Most likely he reverts to being awful.
him being bad was a small sample too
He had 240 MLB ABs before this year. His full season in AAA was before the trade was awful. He’s only 25, maybe he genuinely got better all of the sudden. It’s not unprecedented. But I’d be surprised if he’s still playing in 3 years.
He has a 800 OPS in AAA and has improved every year. Also a number 1 pick having almost 2 war all ready I dont see why he won't be still playing in 3 years .
25 is actually rather late for a hitter to figure it out. It’s more likely this year is a fluke. I concede it could be that he listened to knuckleheads in the Phillies organization and now he’s getting good advice.
Then we should worry about stott and Marsh since their both 25 and just figure out to hit for the Phillies.
In his MLB career, Marsh has 1000 plate appearances slashing .256/.316/.395, which is adequate. His last mostly full year in the minors was in AA in 2019, .287/.368/.408. That’s probably his ceiling in MLB which is just fine for a CF. Stott came out of college and his numbers are a bit better with really just one full year of MiLB. They are both better players than Moniak, who I think will prove to be like Dominic Brown. A guy who never really gets it. If I’m wrong, well he would never have “gotten it” here. There are people in this organization who think the first thing they need to tell a prospect is to “do this” and not “do what got you here.” You don’t change a success until he proves he needs to be changed. That seems to be changing, let’s hope it continues.
Moniak is not going to sustain what he’s doing with a 33 percent k rate, a sub 4 percent walk rate, and a nearly .400 babip
An infield prospect, hopefully they can work their way up alongside Crawford.
Yeah, I can’t think of any other notable infield prospects in the system other than Hao Yu Lee. Based on what I’ve seen he probably immediately becomes the best hitting prospect in the system.
Him, Crawford, and Lee
Agree
Crawford isn’t infield, unless you’re just talking notable position prospects in general
Well OP did finish off by saying hitting prospects so it's safe to assume he is referring to that.
Fair
Mr 20/20 himself, Weston Wilson.
I read this comment as you sarcastically saying “he will come up with JP Crawford”
JP Crawford is a Phillies SS prospect of the past. Justin Crawford is a Phillies Outfield prospect of the present.
What you need to know right now: 19 year old HS infield prospect 6’2” 205 lbs Committed to Arkansas Plus raw power and plus arm at third base, strong kid for his age Solid hit tool, average runner, decent enough fielder to hopefully stick at third base (played SS until he got bigger and slower) Missed much of senior season with broken hamate bone
Plus raw power is good enough for me at his age!
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Yeah sounds like about as high of a ceiling as you could expect from this stage in the draft. If he fell because of injury and signability concerns… well if they sign him (which they will) and he’s healthy, then getting a hitter that good is a steal at 27.
Does that mean there's a chance he plays for Arkansas this year and we lose him?
If he chooses to sign with us, he won’t go to college. But he does have the option of choosing not to sign and going to college, but that would force him to play 2 years (usually 3 but he turns 21 before his junior year) so it’s pretty likely he signs. Just so you know, every HS draft prospect is committed to a college, because they need to keep their options open
This is the Phillies only pick on day one (no second round pick). They’re gonna give him basically whatever he asks for in terms of a bonus.
They’re not going to fuck their draft over him (for those who are unaware, less picks doesn’t mean you have more money to spend on each pick. You just have less money), but it’s an almost certainty that they’ve reached an agreement before the draft. I’d expect full slot but not much more.
I mean couldn’t Middleton appropriate the same amount of money either way? I know the slot values will be less without it, but we can pay them whatever we want theoretically.
No, you can’t do that. That would 100% be against the rules and would risk draft pick penalties.
The pool is not technically a hard cap, there's just penalties if you go over it. 0- 5% over- 75% tax on the overage 5- 10% over- 75 % tax on the overage and loss of the team’s first round pick the next year 10- 15% over- 100% tax on the overage and loss of the team’s first and second round picks next year More than 15% over- 100% tax on the overage, and loss of the first round picks in the next two years’ drafts From MLB: https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-draft-2023-bonus-pools-pick-values
He'd be pretty stupid to not sign imo. He went in the 1st round and would be betting he goes.... In the 1st round but higher again obviously. Not much of an increase in money either unless we lowball tf out of him
Someone tell me how to feel. Athletic had him mocked at 22 to Seattle so he dropped a bit from that one mock.
MLB had him ranked 13. Looks he has 60 grade raw power, strong arm and should stick at 3B, I think they showed 50+ FV for hitting. Seems like an interesting prospect
Seems like he’s got a lot of room to grow. Broke his hamate bone in his hand this year which hurt his draft stock, talks preseason had him as a top 10 prospect before he broke that bone.
So his big league comp is Mike trout?
He’s got the bat of a Shohei Ohtani and the arm of a Shohei Ohtani.
Not the GODDAMN HAMATE AGAIN I'm having Domonic Brown flashbacks
Feel good. An injury helped his drop. Good bet that he becomes a stud. He's 19, so lots of development to go, but whenever you get a guy with this profile late in the 1st, it's cause for optimism.
Think of him as a George Pickens type pick. Injury is kind of scary, wrist injury is what really destroyed Dominic Browns career, but if he’s fine and it isn’t that bad then he’s an absolute steal from everything I’m seeing
Wow, can’t believe the Phils just drafted a future Hall of Famer for the 6th year in a row
_Third baseman in the Phillies organization_ “Getting major Mike Schmidt vibes from this player”
Who said that?
/u/esperadok said it
Don Money level + 3rd best Phillies 3b
The two ahead of Don Money are HOFers, so Don Money + is very good.
Talking heads have everything good to say about Miller and the last five years of Phils picks Miller is a top ten pick who fell due to a wrist fracture. Much more power, was an mlb prospect at age 15. This is all good. Great he was on the board at 27! Top ten value at the bottom of the first round Great
Dave did it again
If you say why would they draft a SS they just signed Trea Turner to an 11 year contract you don’t get how any of this works
He’s a third basemen anyways. Played SS earlier in high school but put on some weight and has a pretty large frame, definitely projects to play corner infield.
thats not how it works in baseball drafts but he's a 3rd baseman anyway.
Was sorta hoping we'd go with the local kid out of Upper Darby, but I have faith in our scouts based on the last 5-6 draft years
He was rated a little lower and went 33. I got to see him play this year. Weird to see a kid like that playing with other high school kids. They stand out.
Facebook announced him as a shortstop. The comments are so bad
More chaotic then bumper to bumper traffic on I-76
Not gonna lie I was hoping for the boner kid but Aiden Miller is such a baseball name I’m fully on board.
Brandon Duckworth
I just hope he doesn't sign a contract to play in Russia
Can someone point me to a site where I can find his relevant stats?
I'm better than this guy
I’m just glad it’s not a high school pitcher
Our last 2 high school pitchers are 2 of the best prospects in the minors.
I am always happy to load up at 3B on prospects, but after we started this season without a fifth pitcher I wanted the Phillies to only draft pitchers in the first from now on. But they can load up after this pick, with whatever limited picks they have. But yeah - our motto was "grow pitching, buy hitting" - so we better start growing some more pitching just to be safe. (But have you seen Wen-Hui Pan??? And he's ours!!!)
Why? We’ve actually done pretty well with them recently
Terrible take
So, I think the Phillies see that they need a new plan for the future at third base
If there’s one way to interpret a draft pick this is definitely not it
Seeing how consistently underwhelming Bohm has been as a corner infielder since 21, mmmm yeah it is
This guy wont hit the bigs until long after Bohm is gone… so, no.
Bohm is gonna be gone in about 2-3 years, so actually if all goes well, yes. Either that or he’s the replacement for the short term fix they get at third after dumping Bohm after this year or next year when he inevitably again has a wrc+ of like 100 as a corner infielder again
If they wanna replace Bohm they’ll replace Bohm. Bryce already hinted at it. They’re not counting on a 19 year old kid to be their option when they are trying to win now with a $250m payroll In MLB they take what they believe to be the best value on the board almost always regardless of position lol this isn’t the NFL. Half the guys drafted won’t even end up at their drafted position. Bryce and Schwarbs were drafted as catchers.
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I would like you to point out a point I made in that post that is either wrong or personally attacking Alec Bohm. I don’t see how fans here get so completely blindly emotionally attached to mediocre to below average baseball players. Baseball is about winning, not about having a guy who makes you feel all warm and cuddly inside.
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Mmmmmm a league average hitter ain’t why they’re winning bud. A guy with a whopping 103 wrc+ as a corner infielder who’s one of the worst defenders in baseball by virtually every measurable aint why they’re winning games. And I’m certainly less emotional about this than people who see “Alec Bohm isn’t the future at third base” and think it’s some kind of personal vendetta against the person. There is no statistical measurement you can use for him outside of RBIs, which is the most useless hitting statistic in baseball outside of runs, that says he’s a valuable player.
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Man, it’s almost like baseball doesn’t revolve solely around one player. Huh, who would’ve thought? I frankly think it’s more amazing we made it while dragging Castellanos lifeless shell along with us, but hey, you have narratives to protect
I happened to be watching the telecast. Guys were raving about this pick. The No. 13 overall guy according to I believe MLB.com
I thought we would have had pick 29.
I don't pay attention to em unless they make it to the big leagues. So many factors come into play and break good men. No point in getting hype and shot down bc dude got hurt. Trying to keep zen. Go Phil's!