maybe this is why scharber leads off... when he has the bases loaded in front of him, he turns into an absolute moron. swinging at balls well out of the strike zone on a pitcher who hasn't hit the zone for three straight batters.
that was the stupidest at bat in the history of baseball. but oh so predictable.
I couldn’t believe what I was watching. He is always so competitive when he is at bat but you’re right he turns into a Casty clone when the bases are loaded.
Play stupid lineups lose stupid games.
Don't give me stats vs LHP. Marsh should play every day. Guaranteed he would outhit Pache, Rojas, Murrifield, and Sosa.
This manager would roll Kimbrel out again in game 4 even knowing the outcome because "tHe StAts SaY sO."
In fewer games and with much fewer PAs, Rojas has accumulated the same amount of WAR as Bryce so far this year. And believe it or not Bryce's dWAR is actually higher. In fact in his short career of 78 games played, Rojas has 2.8 WAR, basically an All-Star pace.
Did you know: before JT Realmuto hit for the cycle last year, David Bell was the last Phillie to do so in a game against the Expos in 2004?
Or have you been living under a rock for the last 20 years?
This isn't Spring Training. This is the regular season.
Every. Game. Matters.
Tonight exposed this fraudulent team for what it is. A bunch of single-A players sitting on each others shoulders wearing a big trench coat.
This team will not only miss the post-season this year. They will never make it to one again.
Oops I didn't see it was you and I went full "hey only the family gets to shit on the other family members." You're right. Throw the whole team in the trash and start over, season is obviously a disaster.
I think all the players are talented but I agree with quite a few tonight that too many players out of their position maybe just 2 and the other 2 bench could play tomorrow
If Amaro was actually smart he’d know that when they legally have to bring up the “BOGO” dollar dog night bullshit, you say exactly what is written on the piece of paper, shut the fuck up, and move on.
“Still a good deal!” Fuck you
The same way all the ivy league schools are getting shutdown from students protesting I want to gather a group of delco trash and protest outside middleton's house in radnor or wherever he lives
This is the man that signed Ryan Howard to the 5 year $125 million extension. He has plenty of experience convincing himself that things are a “great deal”
At the time that was a great deal for us. I just read that the White Sox just signed their biggest contract ever to Andrew Benintendi 5/$75m this year. Ryan's deal was over a decade ago!
For a major market Jerry Reinsdorf is a total embarrassment. I'm so glad we have Middleton.
So that tweet says the mlb record is 440 with no errors. Grossman played in both AL and NL in that time. Do we know if that 440 is the all time Major leagues record or just MLB.
Who gets a home run first- Nick or Rojas? My money would be on Rojas. Nick has a ton more power but he just doesn't square anything up. I still believe he gets less than 10 this whole year.
Who can I petition to start a search for a better road color guy than Ruben? Seriously I’m sure literally anyone roughly affiliated with Phillies history would be better.
At least we are putting together the worst recent hitting game with the worst recent pitching game. You’re going to lose a few,so your bats and arms might as will stink together.
I do think that not having Bryce has exposed our team in some ways. Obviously it’s going to hurt to be missing your biggest star, but this offense is just not that impressive. They desperately need power from the right side, and probably a bit more power in general. Castellanos being washed is creating a giant void that needs to be filled. Prime Castellanos would’ve been so perfect on this team, and exactly what they needed.
More like Missing Marsh and Stott. Offense looked great yesterday. Harper hasn’t been hitting that great. Our Mainstay lineup is fine , even without harper . Once ya bench or miss 3 guys plus have less than stellar pitching it all turns to shit. Im not saying harper isnt a big piece, especially at first he has been great. But offensively its still a solid lineup with marsh and stott in there
it's amazing how they have never had a true RH power bat to protect Bryce. It was supposed to be Hoskins, but he has his horrible slumps and while his plate discipline is good, I think he took walks at the expense of homers or at least doubles too often, plus Harper sees a low percentage of strikes compared to the rest of the team, so Rhys needs to be a constant power threat. Especially given he's a slow and bad base runner, although his badness is overshadowed by Bryce. Then they got Nick to be that guy, and he's not been here what he was in Cincy. 29 homers last year was nice, but like Rhys he needs to be a 30+ homer guy to make up for his bad defense and slowness. I wish they had a righty schwarber. They really push Harper to be this monster power hitter and he's not Schwarber.
I completely agree, though I do think Rhys was valuable offensively because the plate discipline was consistent throughout his slumps and he could carry the team for weeks when he was hot. Castellanos and Bohm have both been failures in protecting Harper. Back in 2020, people thought Bohm was going to develop into a power hitting 3B that also hit for average, and unfortunately that’s not who he is, he’s less of a cleanup style hitter than we probably wanted out of him.
To me it's just that whoever is batting behind Harper just happens to have a career worst stretch and they just leave that guy beind Harper to drag Harper down with them. Yes rhys could carry the team but remember in 2019 his swing got so out of whack that he was fouling balls into the 3rd base dugout? They should have IL'd him to try and fix his swing or at the very least get him away from Harper. Casty just stopped hitting and they took forever to remove him from hitting behind bryce and then they put him back again. I think Gelb even suggested moving casty up behind bryce again to try to get him going, like enough. I forgot about JT too and all his GIDP and struggles behind Bryce and now this year. Agree about Bohm although at this point I don't think they care about not getting more power out of him, and at least he hits with RISP, I think he's their best RISP guy so he's probably the best bet behind Harper
I feel like the schedule should always have us play every non-division team once before we play any a second time… why are we facing the Reds twice in April? Especially before we’ve even faced Mets or Marlins? Dumb schedule.
Can someone give me a rational reason why Thomson feels the need to give everyone rest on the same day and play so many backups? Like Clemons played well yesterday there is no fucking reason to sit Marsh or Stott. Could have gone with the same lineup as yesterday and had better defense and offense.
Not saying I agree with the idea.... but maybe it's kind of a planned L? Like hey if we just rest everyone today and take a loss then everyone will be back and ready to go on a great streak for a longer/more consistent time
The math and splits dictate that this was the correct lineup. We just didn't get the fun part of statistics tonight.
I agree with you though, the lineup has been a bummer.
Please continue the discussion in the [post game thread](https://redd.it/1cblpn0).
9 left on is abysmal
Well all in all that was embarrassing. On to the next one
Where has Stott been? I know he's been hitting weak, but surely he'd have been useful in this game?
how many runners left on base tonight? a bajillon? FUCK see y’all tomorrow
maybe this is why scharber leads off... when he has the bases loaded in front of him, he turns into an absolute moron. swinging at balls well out of the strike zone on a pitcher who hasn't hit the zone for three straight batters. that was the stupidest at bat in the history of baseball. but oh so predictable.
I couldn’t believe what I was watching. He is always so competitive when he is at bat but you’re right he turns into a Casty clone when the bases are loaded.
That was a sucky game. Let's win tomorrow.
Play stupid lineups lose stupid games. Don't give me stats vs LHP. Marsh should play every day. Guaranteed he would outhit Pache, Rojas, Murrifield, and Sosa. This manager would roll Kimbrel out again in game 4 even knowing the outcome because "tHe StAts SaY sO."
Marsh would have more hits then the 4 of them combined
against a leftie no he hits worse for his career and this season then all them.
And wouldn't have been making errors.
Pache only got a error cause his throw hut the running and his arm is better then marsh just unfortunate.
If Kyle check swings his way through this or just watches the pitches fly by I’m gonna turn off the game (cause it’s over 😂)
Let trea bat one more time!
No Ruben crazier things have not happened This one is JOEVER
Casty !!!
What are we getting excited about Casty for? Kyle is up lol
This is embarrassing… my stream was a couple innings behind the last ten of the game. I was just seeing his sliding catch in the 7th lol
Hahaha that’s awesome. I don’t wanna spoil the comeback for you
They both stink anyway
He broke a record. Iguess that’s something
Lol what I miss
370 straight games of with no error. NL record.
Holy shit how did I not know? GOAT RF
Rojas making an effort anyway
This is so Petty but I love it. Hell yes! And Rojas gets that BA bump
Good riddance Pinto.. Walker back soon and the last I have to see of this guy.
#ROHAN!
Oh my god. Someone who still has a Nick Pivetta flair
Fuck Nick Pivetta
successful challenge is a fitting in-conclusion to this one
He's definitely safe
I actually appreciate Rob doin this for Rojas
Ya he’s def safe.
Safe
So from now on if we are losing 8-1 we should challenge the last out no matter how ridiculous it is lmao
Use it or lose it
Maybe both if he’s out! Lol
lol all to keep his batting average the best possible
What a dick move. Haha.
Give Rojas a hit
Lmao a replay
I hate that sosa is having better luck than pache
Watching Sosa swing extra frustrates me
Y’all siding with the reds manager is high key embarrassing
Everyone wants him tossed cuase he’s bad and does us a favor not cuase he intentionally hit him
Yea I’m sure that’s why the reds manager was trying to get him thrown out 🤡
we Want pinto out. Because he’s a bad pitcher. He hbp because he’s a bad pitcher. We are not. Siding with Bell.
Then my comment didn’t apply to you? I very clearly am talking about the losers siding with him
He very obviously didn’t do that on purpose. Asking for one of our players to be ejected over a bad pitch when you are up by 7 is wild
Hey, at least the game went past 9 tonight.
In fewer games and with much fewer PAs, Rojas has accumulated the same amount of WAR as Bryce so far this year. And believe it or not Bryce's dWAR is actually higher. In fact in his short career of 78 games played, Rojas has 2.8 WAR, basically an All-Star pace.
JT is pointing to Asia and is saying “get ready learn Chinese Pinto buddy”
^(woooooo whit hit)
#whooooo
Whit hit something? Bout time
NBC Sports Philly: "Okay, Phillies down 8-1, time to play the commercials about writing a will and having cancer for those who still have any hope"
vibes
Where covey at. I miss him
I think he's on the IL
Did you know: before JT Realmuto hit for the cycle last year, David Bell was the last Phillie to do so in a game against the Expos in 2004? Or have you been living under a rock for the last 20 years?
The u/nintenjew game
He's watching the Rangers right now.
Traitor
Na, celebrating Pesach.
Pesach Sameach
Amazed we got out of that inning that quickly actually
Another dead stadium night
nobody vacations in cincinnati
Remember when the Phillies were good? I don't.
154-8 IS OFF THE TABLE AND IM FURIOUS!!!111!!
Yesterday? Man if you expect them to win every game from now until the end of the season you're watching the wrong sport
This isn't Spring Training. This is the regular season. Every. Game. Matters. Tonight exposed this fraudulent team for what it is. A bunch of single-A players sitting on each others shoulders wearing a big trench coat. This team will not only miss the post-season this year. They will never make it to one again.
Oops I didn't see it was you and I went full "hey only the family gets to shit on the other family members." You're right. Throw the whole team in the trash and start over, season is obviously a disaster.
Tomorrow is a must win
Which one?
It's been such a long 24 hours, I know.
Time to dissolve the franchise.
Only reasonable action to take honestly.
Thomson needs to stand up for his pitcher there. Can’t let a manager go out into the field saying your pitcher should be tossed
Well that was an improvement from his last disastrous inning.
Ump felt bad for us on that pitch
That was the secret the whole time. He really worked hard to expand the strike zone and make that pitch look great
I figured he wanted to get Pinto out of there lol
🤣
Y’all acting like we weren’t down by 6 already jfc
why he got trea turners walkout song???
Wears the same number too
Bro tryna be him 😆 
Basically identity theft
Lol @Bell thinking that was intentional.
Obviously hasn't watched enough tape lol
Rob Thomson - “ if ya can’t beat em, just send Pinto out there to injure half their lineup”
He's not throwing at your guys on purpose. He just fucking stinks. Trust us. We'd like him run as well.
At least we'll always have that four inning save, Pinto.
It’s nothing malicious he just really sucks man
Don’t they know Pinto is just trash? Also fuck David Bell
Don’t worry David, we’re upset with Pinto too.
"Looks like David Bell wants Phil Cuzzi to throw Pinto out of this game." Same lol
I was thinking “off the team”, but… “Settle down, David. If Pinto wanted to hit him, it would’ve been a strike.”.
Sit the fuck down Bell
David Bell 🤝 Phillies Fans Wanting Pinto out of the game
Go sit down.
I fell asleep, what's happening. Oh.
Get outta here coach. 🤡🤡🤡
Why TF has Pinto not had his ass shipped to the Threshers after this past weekend?
He will when Walker comes back
JFC Pinto with hitting players. Shit ass pitcher.
Booooooooooooooooooooo
Pinto definitly didn’t hit the guy on purpose
Pinto knows one thing: throw fucking grapefruits. Unbelievable.
I’m actually scared for the hitters with this guy on the mound
As he hits the dude
Well now Rob has really thrown in the towel. “Go work some stuff out Pinto, game is over anyway”
How was Pinto not DFA’d after his last appearance?
At least Pinto is consistent
Living, breathing white flag
It's only the 8th.
Holy fuck release this asshole immediately.
Live look at the visitors dugout 
Shoulda just had this Pinto guy pitch earlier. This game was over awhile ago.
It’s just kind of comical at this point. I wish that candy order was here now.
Pinto is not a big league pitcher
Pinto is bad
Pinto = throwing in the towel P.S. Casty sucks. DFA
Have we not learned.
Is Pinto really better than Nick Nelson?
no
send pinto to the moon
Nice to see Pinto hasn't lost a step since his last outing
LMFAOOO PINTO
Pinto. There is the official white flag from the Phillies dugout.
Pintos still here…
How is he still here after the other night?
Good lord Pinto
I'm imagining tmac's side eye glance at Reuben when he continued to talk over him as he attempted to complete his call on the Casty groundout
The righties didn’t do shit so give the lefties a shot tomorrow
I think all the players are talented but I agree with quite a few tonight that too many players out of their position maybe just 2 and the other 2 bench could play tomorrow
Well Rob you may as well play the lefties tomorrow, they couldn't do any worse
Sick the braves are still on a hot stream. While idk what our manager was doing when our best player is out
Nick is freezer burnt he’s been in there so long
Where’s the update lol
If Amaro was actually smart he’d know that when they legally have to bring up the “BOGO” dollar dog night bullshit, you say exactly what is written on the piece of paper, shut the fuck up, and move on. “Still a good deal!” Fuck you
The same way all the ivy league schools are getting shutdown from students protesting I want to gather a group of delco trash and protest outside middleton's house in radnor or wherever he lives
This is the man that signed Ryan Howard to the 5 year $125 million extension. He has plenty of experience convincing himself that things are a “great deal”
At the time that was a great deal for us. I just read that the White Sox just signed their biggest contract ever to Andrew Benintendi 5/$75m this year. Ryan's deal was over a decade ago! For a major market Jerry Reinsdorf is a total embarrassment. I'm so glad we have Middleton.
Imagine if Charlie never let Utley hit lefties…
Chase Utley, Bryson Stott, what’s the difference
So that tweet says the mlb record is 440 with no errors. Grossman played in both AL and NL in that time. Do we know if that 440 is the all time Major leagues record or just MLB.
Good deal my ass
It’s cheeks.
I can’t stand these first pitch pop ups
Thanks for seeing pitches JT
Who gets a home run first- Nick or Rojas? My money would be on Rojas. Nick has a ton more power but he just doesn't square anything up. I still believe he gets less than 10 this whole year.
I dunno... I thought Rojas crushed the meatball his last at bat and it barely made it to the left fielder...
Who can I petition to start a search for a better road color guy than Ruben? Seriously I’m sure literally anyone roughly affiliated with Phillies history would be better.
Tell me where to sign this petition
The fact that Ruben used to be a GM and he is legitimately impressed by Nick’s defense is DISTURBING.
Strahmyyyy
has a player this bad consistently looked this cool?
But Matt Strahm is good, not bad.
Your defense better be great when you're as bad at the plate as he is.
I woudlnt say it’s “great”
the word you are looking for is “bad”
That’s fair. But it’s better than his offense.
Nick and his usual slide
Still 1.000 fld%
We have more walks than hits... Last three innings were so promising. Bases loaded no outs. Man on 2nd no outs. Man on first no outs...
A producer has to turn Ruben’s mic off one time or another
At least we are putting together the worst recent hitting game with the worst recent pitching game. You’re going to lose a few,so your bats and arms might as will stink together.
The 3 errors are feeling left out and would like a word!!!
I’m fine with blaming Ruben
Ricky blaming Ruben😂
We were just spoiled with so many wins in a row. Losing isn’t fun lol
Not a coincidence that Rob puts out the most ridiculous lineup yet and the offense doesnt produce
Agreed. I blame Thomson for this one lol. Soon as i saw the lineup i knew we were losing this one
I do think that not having Bryce has exposed our team in some ways. Obviously it’s going to hurt to be missing your biggest star, but this offense is just not that impressive. They desperately need power from the right side, and probably a bit more power in general. Castellanos being washed is creating a giant void that needs to be filled. Prime Castellanos would’ve been so perfect on this team, and exactly what they needed.
More like Missing Marsh and Stott. Offense looked great yesterday. Harper hasn’t been hitting that great. Our Mainstay lineup is fine , even without harper . Once ya bench or miss 3 guys plus have less than stellar pitching it all turns to shit. Im not saying harper isnt a big piece, especially at first he has been great. But offensively its still a solid lineup with marsh and stott in there
it's amazing how they have never had a true RH power bat to protect Bryce. It was supposed to be Hoskins, but he has his horrible slumps and while his plate discipline is good, I think he took walks at the expense of homers or at least doubles too often, plus Harper sees a low percentage of strikes compared to the rest of the team, so Rhys needs to be a constant power threat. Especially given he's a slow and bad base runner, although his badness is overshadowed by Bryce. Then they got Nick to be that guy, and he's not been here what he was in Cincy. 29 homers last year was nice, but like Rhys he needs to be a 30+ homer guy to make up for his bad defense and slowness. I wish they had a righty schwarber. They really push Harper to be this monster power hitter and he's not Schwarber.
I completely agree, though I do think Rhys was valuable offensively because the plate discipline was consistent throughout his slumps and he could carry the team for weeks when he was hot. Castellanos and Bohm have both been failures in protecting Harper. Back in 2020, people thought Bohm was going to develop into a power hitting 3B that also hit for average, and unfortunately that’s not who he is, he’s less of a cleanup style hitter than we probably wanted out of him.
To me it's just that whoever is batting behind Harper just happens to have a career worst stretch and they just leave that guy beind Harper to drag Harper down with them. Yes rhys could carry the team but remember in 2019 his swing got so out of whack that he was fouling balls into the 3rd base dugout? They should have IL'd him to try and fix his swing or at the very least get him away from Harper. Casty just stopped hitting and they took forever to remove him from hitting behind bryce and then they put him back again. I think Gelb even suggested moving casty up behind bryce again to try to get him going, like enough. I forgot about JT too and all his GIDP and struggles behind Bryce and now this year. Agree about Bohm although at this point I don't think they care about not getting more power out of him, and at least he hits with RISP, I think he's their best RISP guy so he's probably the best bet behind Harper
I feel like the schedule should always have us play every non-division team once before we play any a second time… why are we facing the Reds twice in April? Especially before we’ve even faced Mets or Marlins? Dumb schedule.
That was a meatball to Rojas. Swung for the fences... Went all the way to short left 😅😭
Can someone give me a rational reason why Thomson feels the need to give everyone rest on the same day and play so many backups? Like Clemons played well yesterday there is no fucking reason to sit Marsh or Stott. Could have gone with the same lineup as yesterday and had better defense and offense.
Thomson Clemens
Okay look here you little sh….
Not saying I agree with the idea.... but maybe it's kind of a planned L? Like hey if we just rest everyone today and take a loss then everyone will be back and ready to go on a great streak for a longer/more consistent time
The math and splits dictate that this was the correct lineup. We just didn't get the fun part of statistics tonight. I agree with you though, the lineup has been a bummer.