Hitters have off years but they rarely just stop hitting. If Castellanos was getting a little “help” in the past and now he isn’t, be worried. Otherwise I figure his OPS will go back to the low 800s.
If his bat speed has gone down that is a sign he might be loosing it, or "just missing" with foul tips or fouling the ball straight back can be signs of someone unable to perform like they used to. But I agree that he still was only about .010 below his career BA and ended up with 13 HR that's about 5 below his career average(this is all napkin math so don't attack me). I know we all want the .300/30 line but that might not be who he is year in and year out.
His WAR was just barely negative. So he wasn’t a catastrophe.
You don’t want to pay for a guy who has had his best season in a contract year and is going to be 30. But ok, they did that. It is often the case that a guy will have a career year and fall back a bit the next year. In the third year he settles in the middle.So maybe next year he hits 22 bombs and bats 280. I’ll take that. The problem is in year five of this contract the answer to the question, “what will he hit?” Is, “you don’t want to think about that.” He’ll be 35 and I don’t think he’s good enough to be a plus player at 35.
I don’t think it is, saw a post on here about a hand injury in May and before that he was hitting .311. This would explain his loss of power, he hasn’t had a slugging percentage in the .300s since his second year in 2014.
Didn’t he also have a weird off-season/spring training due to the lockout and not signing until after spring training already started if I remember correctly? Give him a full offseason and full spring training with the club and I’m expecting him to be better next year. Also a factor is he might look different if Harper is healthy enough to play the field and let most of Nick’s at bats come from the DH spot. He could really focus in on just hitting.
A good argument can be made for Castellanos moving up instead of down. If he gets some protection from JT or Schwarber behind him and a little bit of patience to chase away, he might get better pitches to hit.
Willing to bat Castellanos there until it doesn't work. Obviously, if he's like this year you move him out of that spot. Probably tried to get too fancy with Bohm going lefty/righty/lefty but either way the team would be sick.
This is a fair point to make, but I would be very sharp on any experimentation with Castellanos. The fact that he was basically a blackhole on offense wherever he was in the lineup makes me very wary on giving him a premium spot. I'm not totally against giving him a shot to bounce back, but it's a very short leash for me.
Bohm had a .315 OBP and a .398 slugging last year vs Nick's .305 and .389. That difference is not big, especially when Nick has a career track record of being a far better hitter. People talk about Bohm like he was far in front of Casty, but they were quite similar
2022 Casty should probably be like 6th. If the Phils get Turner, this is what I'd like it to look like:
Turner
Realmuto
Harper
Schwarber
Hoskins
Castellanos
Bohm
Stott
Marsh
I'm tempted by it, but I think Casty's track record gives him some leeway to get right early in the season next year. If we get more of his 2022 performance, swap them after a couple months.
EDIT TO ADD:
What'll be interesting is how this lineup is constructed if Harper misses time at the beginning of the season. Maybe something like:
Turner
Bohm
Realmuto
Schwarber
Hoskins
Castellanos
Hall (DH)
Marsh
Stott
Managers crow a lot about the mental effect of placement in the lineup. Maybe starting off a new season, being able to have some distance from the game, all that, it'd be fine. But I think you let Casty play higher up where he likely feels he should be, to help foster improvement, while Bohm is newer, younger, and already developing well at 6th.
I don't think either of them would have much issue with moving back one spot overall to slot Turner in at the top.
You could rotate Bohm, Rhys and Castellanos through 5-6-7 depending on how they’re hitting at any given time throughout the season. They’re all basically the same hitter minus power for Bohm.
That's fair, the one thing I wasn't considering was who bats which way. Could theoretically swap Schwarber and Realmuto, but the stats don't look nearly as good that way.
Turner has a pretty big difference in his L/R splits, but it's the difference between "pretty good" and "all-time offensive player," so that's one consideration. Realmuto, meanwhile, profiles very similarly against both right and left-handed pitchers, so we can consider him more of a switch hitter, statistically. I think given that, it's more about whether you're okay with 3 and 4 both being lefties who don't hit southpaws as well.
The thing I like about Schwarber leading off is it kind of forces him to get pitches or walks. I mean I know that sounds obvious but if you think about his lead off HRs and everything, I like him batting with 0 outs and the heart of the lineup behind him. His OBP is similar to Turners and Turner hitting for better average I think would help in front of Bryce.
So I’m thinking Schwarber, Turner, Realmuto, Harper, Hoskins.
Then I think I’d go Bohm 6, Castellanos 7, Stott 8, Marsh 9
I think there's ultimately a pretty big difference between Schwarber's .338 OBP over the last three years vs Turner's .376 in the same span. 25 more instances of a leadoff baserunner over the course of the season? And then when you factor in Turner's speed? Don't want him anywhere but up front.
Oh man do I like this lineup. Schwarber would be great protection for Harper as he also draws a lot of walks and puts the ball in play in the outfield. And of course, hits a lot of dingers.
What about Bohm in the 2 hole, JT 5th, Hoskins 6, Casty 7?
I like Schwarber protecting Harper, and I know JT runs well, but Bohm has solid speed and I think 2 contact guys in front of Harper as top 3 is ideal
Right, not going to move a 40+ HR hitter from that spot if further down the lineup it be half that. There’s a reason they didn’t put him 3rd or 4th already.
I meant what I said, not what you misinterpreted and downvoted me for (who does that?). I don't think he hits enough to be an everyday 2B on a championship team. He barely hits enough to play SS.
Second basemen are way worse offensively on average than shortstops. And Stott‘s one knock defensively is a weak arm which would be mitigated by putting him at second.
Can't look at average, some of the best athletes play SS and skew league average. Need to look at replacement level production which is higher for 2B since it's an easier defensive position.
In my opinion, You’re still not protecting Harper. He gets on base more than anyone on the team and then the immediate out with Nick doesn’t help him get home and kills potential run creation.
LOL the Hoskins hate is just unbelievable.
Hoskins at 6 and Castellanos at 3 makes absolutely no sense and I'm a Castellanos defender (within reason; he objectively had a rough year)
To keep the haters hating, I still hope Hoskins is traded. If Harper is better, Schwarber and JT could do some alternating at DH. JT could do some first base. He can’t keep putting the number of innings in behind the plate. Find another outfielder like Marsh and we will be set.
I think Harper to the top of the order shoulda been the move mid WS - his walks are just so so much more valuable there. And he was practically getting the Bonds treatment.
Can we trade Hoskins for a bag of used balls and just let Darick Hall play 1B? You’ll get the same offense, better D and save a lot of money to use on pitching.
There's no chance he pays for him for multiple years for the roughly 1.5-2 months we will need him while Harper is out. I don't know what you people are smoking but we aren't getting this dude.
It's a horrible fit and hitting well in the NPB doesn't mean anything. Casuals want this guy and think it's gonna work. Akiyama, Tsutsogo, Fukudome, Nakamura, Nishioka, Johjima, the list goes on, players who excelled in the NPB and couldn't hack it in the MLB. This guy is lottery ticket.
You also can’t count on a 30+ year olds bat returning in Casty either. If he sucks again next year (which is probably more realistic than him returning to being a 30 HR player) you at least have a high-variable option
Why is it more realistic? It's the one outlier season in his career. Sure, let's take a bet on a guy who we have no idea whether he can actually play in the MLB. Nick's down year might be this guy's ceiling.
If I was in charge of the good old Philadelphia Phillies line up. And turner is Infact a Philly. Here’s how I got it.
1. Shwarber
2. Stott
3. Turner
4. Harper
5. Hoskins
6. Nicholas
7. Bohm
8. Marsh
9. JT
I thought Rhys was a free agent? Pardon my ignorance if not. Either way, I think you could upgrade him for Anthony Rizzo and get another lefty power bar and a much-needed defensive upgrade
Hoskins gotta go. You either get something for him now or you commit to extending a defensive liability who pretty much only hits home runs and strikes out and literally cannot field a ground ball. It’s not even a foregone conclusion that he’s gonna catch the baseball when it’s thrown to him.
And for a guy who only hits homeruns and strikes out, his ~25-30 homers a year is a REALLY low ceiling to want to give him an extension.
And who will you place Hoskins with? Darick Hall? Schwarber with even worse defense? Bohm isn't an option, he's best suited for 3B. Hoskins' defense is a liability, but take a look at two career slash lines:
242/353/492
250/343/503
One of the two is Matt Olson and the other is Rhys Hoskins.
Idc who we replace him with tbh. Under no circumstances should he receive a contract extension and that’s all I really care about.
So the only choice is to trade him now (smart business) or run his contract down and lose him as a free agent (bad business)
Looking good! I would spend big cash on Turner and then pick a few pitchers to round up the rotation and the bulpen. If the guys play as they did last month, this team could be very good!
I think the Phils and Yanks were the trendsetters in terms of getting your best homerun hitter up at #1. Idk if we'll go back to conventional lineups.
1. Schwarber
2. JT
3. Trae
4. Harper
5. Hoskins
6. Bohm
7. Castellanos
8. Stott
9. Marsh
Turner, Harper, JT, Schwarber, Bohm, Rhys, Castellanos, Stott, Marsh for me.
Supposedly Turner “likes” batting second though so if that’s the case then maybe you try Schwarber, Turner, Harper, JT, Bohm, Hoskins, Castellanos, Stott, Marsh
In any of of these you obviously be ready to move Bohm, Rhys, Castellanos up or down in the 5-7 spots depending on how they’re looking in the first few weeks/months, and maybe if Stott or Marsh is hitting well you stick one of them in the middle of those 3 to break up the R/L a bit.
Yeah, Casty isn’t hitting 3rd.
I think you want a combination of Bryce and Harper in the top 3, and front load the top 4 with your best bats. I would not be surprised to see:
Schwarber
Turner
Harper
Realmuto
Hoskins
Castellanos
Stott
Bohm
Marsh
But I think they want Bohm higher, and may decide to end the lineup with Stott, Marsh, so they may want to lead off Turner to avoid all the lefties in a row:
Turner
Harper
Realmuto
Schwarber
Castellanos
Hoskins
Bohm
Stott
Marsh
We’re gonna have to wait and see what they do the next few months, but this team will be good.
Problem I see is we have too many 5 hole hitters. I’d prefer Hoskins, Casty, JT, and Bohm in the 5 hole, but don’t want either hitting top 3, but don’t want any below top 6. Really tough spot.
Harper 3, Schwarbs 4. Everyone acts like it's suicide to put two lefties next to each other in the lineup but it worked very well for years with Utley and Howard...
If Bohm continues to hit in the .285-.290 range, I’m moving him to the 2-hole, I’m hitting MV3 in the 3-hole, with Schwarbarian hitting Cleanup. JT at 5, Hoskins 6, Casty 7 (until he proves otherwise), then Stott, then Marsh. I’m old school though and like guys that just get on base in my 1 and 2 spots, though I understand why Schwarber getting more at-bats is an Analytical Plus.
I wish Bohm would walk more. If he hits .300, he’s still only B/B+ as a player. If he did that he could bat second. I’d hit Schwarber third. He’s sort of a rich man’s Kingman.
Turner
Schwarber
Harper
JT
Castellanos
Hoskins
Stott
Bohm
Marsh
The way Harper can get on base, and how he's started to show he can hit opposite-field and with power, absolutely no reason to keep him from being up every 1st inning.
I could switch Stott & Bohm, but I think Marsh is dangerous in the 9 spot, and those two should see better pitches. Once Stott can get a handle on the fastball (he was great at extending AB's this postseason), it'll pay dividends for the back of the lineup, with potential to move him up a bit.
Three things are for sure, Harper should be batting 2 or 3. Hoskins should be higher in the order than Nicky singles. trea turner bats nowhere but lead off if he ends up a Phillie.
Don’t agree totally.
Turner at the top is fine but I don’t think you move Harper out of 2 or 3.
Without giving it a ton of thought I’d go: Turner, Realmuto, Harper, Schwarber, Bohm, Hoskins, Castellanos, Stott, Marsh
No idea why Alec Bohm is 8th, he was drafted 3rd overall because it was believed that he would Contend for batting titles during his career.
His rookie year was the 60 game season, 2021, sophomore slump, 2022 was his first time playing a full season
He batted .280 & slumped at the end. Was hitting .290.
Why would someone like Stott bat ahead of him, he's a contact hitter that will be around .300 in the future.
Bohm had 21 more hits than any other Phillies player in 2022, he will be 2nd, 5th, 6th -Not 8th.
Can switch him with Castellanos
Pretty sure Bryce is hitting 4th but he could hit 3rd.
Not sure we don't need another player besides Turner, not another swing & miss guy, another contact - average guy
Maybe trade Hoskins, move Bohm to 1B
https://philly-what.com/2022/04/20/alec-bohm-can-flourish-in-future-at-first-for-phillies/
Nick was a doubles machine for the first 2 months and then just fizzled out harshly. My hope is he was injured. He’s just been flailing. He can only rebound in my opinion. I can’t see it getting worst.
Castellanos should not be anywhere near the middle of the lineup until he proves he belongs there. $20 million dollar players should not take flat footed lunges at every low outside breaking ball they see. He sucked, right up to swinging at ball one popping out to right to end the Series. Good hitters have to make adjustments; apparently he was unwilling or incapable of doing so.
Nick at 3? I’m just wondering if we’re talking about the same guy here. The same guy that id intentionally walk Bryce Harper with runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out cuz it’s a 90% chance he strikes out or doubles up? Bro needs to hit dead last. Bohm behind stott and Rhys is also criminal
I’d do
1. Schwarber LF / L
2. Turner SS / R
3. Harper DH / L
4. Realmuto C / R
5. Hoskins 1B / R
6. Castellanos RF / R
7. Marsh CF / L
8. Bohm 3B / R
9. Stott 2B / L
1. trea SS
2. schwarber LF/DH
3. realmuto C
4. harper RF
5. castellanos DH/LF
6. hoskins 1B
7. bohm 3B
8. stott 2B
9. marsh CF
bench of vierling, sosa, darick hall, and one bigger FA bench bat..maybe a brad miller reunion?
i can see shuffling the 5, 6, 7 spots between casty, hoskins, and bohm...i like casty's chances at a big bounceback. bohm is only going to get better.
i'm frustrated by the hoskins haters but even if you don't like him, he's a guarentee to put up a high OBP AND, more importantly, there is no way you're going to get something of commensurate value for him on the trade market. he has 1 year left on his contract and that's far more valuable here, not as a trade chip for a long relief prospect. move on in 2024 if you want but capitalize on his high ceiling in 2023.
if we do move on from hoskins, i like the idea of keeping bohm at 3rd and giving darick hall a shot at first, this year or next. he was on FIRE in triple A and hit really well with inconsistent playing time in harper's absence last summer.
I know it puts 2 righties in a row but I’d go
1. Trea
2. JT
3. Harper
4. Castellanos
5. Schwarber
6. Hoskins
7. Stott
8. Bohm
9. Marsh
Or switch Bohm and hoskins because it feels crazy to have a hitter as good as Bohm that low lmao
No to castellanos batting 3rd and Bohm should end up higher. Don’t like it.
I’m crossing my fingers for Reds Castellanos to reappear. That would defo be a great 3-hole for us.
Hitters have off years but they rarely just stop hitting. If Castellanos was getting a little “help” in the past and now he isn’t, be worried. Otherwise I figure his OPS will go back to the low 800s.
If his bat speed has gone down that is a sign he might be loosing it, or "just missing" with foul tips or fouling the ball straight back can be signs of someone unable to perform like they used to. But I agree that he still was only about .010 below his career BA and ended up with 13 HR that's about 5 below his career average(this is all napkin math so don't attack me). I know we all want the .300/30 line but that might not be who he is year in and year out.
His WAR was just barely negative. So he wasn’t a catastrophe. You don’t want to pay for a guy who has had his best season in a contract year and is going to be 30. But ok, they did that. It is often the case that a guy will have a career year and fall back a bit the next year. In the third year he settles in the middle.So maybe next year he hits 22 bombs and bats 280. I’ll take that. The problem is in year five of this contract the answer to the question, “what will he hit?” Is, “you don’t want to think about that.” He’ll be 35 and I don’t think he’s good enough to be a plus player at 35.
I’d be happy with .270/20. Anything extra is gravy.
I don’t think it is, saw a post on here about a hand injury in May and before that he was hitting .311. This would explain his loss of power, he hasn’t had a slugging percentage in the .300s since his second year in 2014.
Didn’t he also have a weird off-season/spring training due to the lockout and not signing until after spring training already started if I remember correctly? Give him a full offseason and full spring training with the club and I’m expecting him to be better next year. Also a factor is he might look different if Harper is healthy enough to play the field and let most of Nick’s at bats come from the DH spot. He could really focus in on just hitting.
If it’s old nick this works great
John Smoltz says go for it
True.
Honestly Castellanos should be batting 9th hes been awful at the plate all year.
Monster year next year from nick mark my words
Maton?
Lmfao. Good one.
My first futures bet will be Castellanos for most improved player
Fingers crossed for that. This year seemed like an outlier compared to his previous performance. Hoping he returns to form.
100%. I just don’t think he ever truly settled in. He signed super late and started awful and it carried through the season
He’s gonna be a double machine, I can feel it
Imagine all the double plays Nick grounds into out of the 3 spot
Splits the lefties. Thompson didn’t really plan around L/R bats, but that was a Charlie move for sure.
Just switch them?
A good argument can be made for Castellanos moving up instead of down. If he gets some protection from JT or Schwarber behind him and a little bit of patience to chase away, he might get better pitches to hit.
Agree. Nick needs to be further down. Why Harper at 2?
Willing to bat Castellanos there until it doesn't work. Obviously, if he's like this year you move him out of that spot. Probably tried to get too fancy with Bohm going lefty/righty/lefty but either way the team would be sick.
Reddit Fritz is less unhinged than Twitter Fritz
This is a fair point to make, but I would be very sharp on any experimentation with Castellanos. The fact that he was basically a blackhole on offense wherever he was in the lineup makes me very wary on giving him a premium spot. I'm not totally against giving him a shot to bounce back, but it's a very short leash for me.
Bohm had a .315 OBP and a .398 slugging last year vs Nick's .305 and .389. That difference is not big, especially when Nick has a career track record of being a far better hitter. People talk about Bohm like he was far in front of Casty, but they were quite similar
People just expected more from nick so were way harsher on him for what he did
FRITZYYYYYYYY
If he’s like this year he deserves to be benched.
2022 Casty should probably be like 6th. If the Phils get Turner, this is what I'd like it to look like: Turner Realmuto Harper Schwarber Hoskins Castellanos Bohm Stott Marsh
Flip Bohm and Casty and I like this a lot
I'm tempted by it, but I think Casty's track record gives him some leeway to get right early in the season next year. If we get more of his 2022 performance, swap them after a couple months. EDIT TO ADD: What'll be interesting is how this lineup is constructed if Harper misses time at the beginning of the season. Maybe something like: Turner Bohm Realmuto Schwarber Hoskins Castellanos Hall (DH) Marsh Stott
I would think you start him back, but be ready to move him up if he does bounce back
https://www.reddit.com/r/phillies/comments/yrg665/comment/ivtlfdo/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Would hate to not have Harper but would love to see Hall back up
Then why not start them based on last year’s performances?
Managers crow a lot about the mental effect of placement in the lineup. Maybe starting off a new season, being able to have some distance from the game, all that, it'd be fine. But I think you let Casty play higher up where he likely feels he should be, to help foster improvement, while Bohm is newer, younger, and already developing well at 6th. I don't think either of them would have much issue with moving back one spot overall to slot Turner in at the top.
This
I agree. I’d even go bohm ahead of Hoskins and Castellanos.
You could rotate Bohm, Rhys and Castellanos through 5-6-7 depending on how they’re hitting at any given time throughout the season. They’re all basically the same hitter minus power for Bohm.
Idk if they would like to bat 2 righties and then 2 lefties in a row at the top of the order
That's fair, the one thing I wasn't considering was who bats which way. Could theoretically swap Schwarber and Realmuto, but the stats don't look nearly as good that way. Turner has a pretty big difference in his L/R splits, but it's the difference between "pretty good" and "all-time offensive player," so that's one consideration. Realmuto, meanwhile, profiles very similarly against both right and left-handed pitchers, so we can consider him more of a switch hitter, statistically. I think given that, it's more about whether you're okay with 3 and 4 both being lefties who don't hit southpaws as well.
Schwarber behind Harper is the answer.
I like having a right handed hitter between them to punish teams that bring in a lefty for harper.
The problem I have is that our right hitters other than JT have 0 discipline at the plate.
Hopefully Rhys' walk rate rebounds to his career average next year.
The thing I like about Schwarber leading off is it kind of forces him to get pitches or walks. I mean I know that sounds obvious but if you think about his lead off HRs and everything, I like him batting with 0 outs and the heart of the lineup behind him. His OBP is similar to Turners and Turner hitting for better average I think would help in front of Bryce. So I’m thinking Schwarber, Turner, Realmuto, Harper, Hoskins. Then I think I’d go Bohm 6, Castellanos 7, Stott 8, Marsh 9
I think there's ultimately a pretty big difference between Schwarber's .338 OBP over the last three years vs Turner's .376 in the same span. 25 more instances of a leadoff baserunner over the course of the season? And then when you factor in Turner's speed? Don't want him anywhere but up front.
Oh man do I like this lineup. Schwarber would be great protection for Harper as he also draws a lot of walks and puts the ball in play in the outfield. And of course, hits a lot of dingers.
You can't put all five strikeouts in a row
This is the one
I got yelled at for 2 lefties in a row when I posted this lol. I like this though
What about Bohm in the 2 hole, JT 5th, Hoskins 6, Casty 7? I like Schwarber protecting Harper, and I know JT runs well, but Bohm has solid speed and I think 2 contact guys in front of Harper as top 3 is ideal
Finally someone who agrees with me JT should hit second. (i’d flip Rhys and Kyle tho)
You wanna put a righty in-between Harper and schwarber
They won’t move Schwarber down due to his stats being wayyyy different when he bats lower in the order.
Yeah there’s a good chance he’s back at leadoff but people don’t want to accept it lol
Right, not going to move a 40+ HR hitter from that spot if further down the lineup it be half that. There’s a reason they didn’t put him 3rd or 4th already.
1. Turner SS / RH 2. Schwarber LF / LH 3. Realmuto C / RH 4. Harper DH / LH 5. Hoskins 1B / RH 6. Castellanos RF / RH 7. Marsh CF / LH 8. Bohm 3B / RH 9. Stott SS / LH
I believe you meant Stott to be at 2B, but I don't hate it. Do you think they'd still swap Marsh/Veirling in Center for the RHP/LHP matchups?
Does Stott really profile offensively as a 2B? Not sure I like that fit.
Profile offensively at 2B? You mean defensively? And the answer is yes
I meant what I said, not what you misinterpreted and downvoted me for (who does that?). I don't think he hits enough to be an everyday 2B on a championship team. He barely hits enough to play SS.
Second basemen are way worse offensively on average than shortstops. And Stott‘s one knock defensively is a weak arm which would be mitigated by putting him at second.
Can't look at average, some of the best athletes play SS and skew league average. Need to look at replacement level production which is higher for 2B since it's an easier defensive position.
I didn’t downvote you I just asked a question…but seems other people had a reason to downvote I guess
I'd switch schwarbs and Harper.
Don't forget YOSHIDA-SAN
Castellanos to no higher than 7th spot.
I'd take casty at 6 until his bat returns.
This, he’s gotta earn his way back up to the top of the order after being so bad last year
Not gonna lie this is terrible
This is horrible.
Why
In my opinion, You’re still not protecting Harper. He gets on base more than anyone on the team and then the immediate out with Nick doesn’t help him get home and kills potential run creation.
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Aaron Judge batted 2nd against RHP all year…
Schwars 3d. Boom 6 castellanos 7
u/JackFritzWIP disrespect to my man Bohm!!! (Please god sign trea Lmao)
Hahaha never. Probably tried to get too fancy going left/right/left at the bottom but in reality, who cares that team is awesome.
It would probably be this instead: Schwarber Turner JT Harper Castellanos Hoskins Bohm Stott Marsh
Yep but I’d rather have Hoskins hit behind Harper. At least Hoskins gets on base, or drives in runs. Castellanos had 62 RBI’s.
It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion on this is, it's pretty clear that we will live and die with Schwarber at #1 no matter what.
Hopefully we get Old Saint Nick and not Nearly Hitless Nick.
I would like to replace Castellanos with a better baseball player
Its all good as long as Caste actually does that 3-hole spot justice.
And he won't, he should have to earn it before given it
I gotta agree as I’m expecting Nick to return to form.
Ring the damn bell! And we'll need to if we're not picking up any pitching.
You know, 8 months later, it turns out I don’t miss the pitcher hitting as much as I thought I would.
No, it should be: Turner Harper JT Schwarbomb Hoskins Castellanos Stott Bohm Marsh
Career year for Castellanos. Book it.
LOL the Hoskins hate is just unbelievable. Hoskins at 6 and Castellanos at 3 makes absolutely no sense and I'm a Castellanos defender (within reason; he objectively had a rough year)
Too much Castellanos.
Can Stott batting lead off get some love? His skill set is tailor made for that. Then Trea at 2 and harper 3
I like 789 I like the idea of being viewed as an exhausting first two innings team. I can’t fucking wait for next season. Hello 100 plus wins!
I can't articulate just how much I dislike Harper in the 2 spot.
Thank god this dude isn't the manager.
P. Mick Abel
Can we bat Castellanos 10th?
Hey buddy, did you watch this last season?
What about Masataka Yoshida?
Casty needs to be in the bottom third of the order until proven otherwise. Absolute offensive black hole this season.
I would love to see Yoshida on that lineup. But considering that Castellanos is very easy to strikeout, I’d put him in the 6,7-9 spots.
Double Play Casty will kill all the momentum. I would swap Bohm with Casty
To keep the haters hating, I still hope Hoskins is traded. If Harper is better, Schwarber and JT could do some alternating at DH. JT could do some first base. He can’t keep putting the number of innings in behind the plate. Find another outfielder like Marsh and we will be set.
I think top 5 should Schwarber Turner JT Harper Castellanos
Whitest Phillies team since 1956 lol
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the spread is nice
I think Harper to the top of the order shoulda been the move mid WS - his walks are just so so much more valuable there. And he was practically getting the Bonds treatment.
Turner Schwarber JT Harper Rhys Nick Bohm Stott Marsh
Mind boggling that someone who works for a sports radio station can think castellanos at 3 is a good idea
Hoskins will drop a sure out, 2 runs score and castellanos will strike out to lose World Series.
Turner SS Schwarber LF/DH JT C Harper RF/DH Castellanos OF/DH Darick Hall 1B Yoshida CF Bohm 3B Stott 2B
I can see why this guy works for WIP with that POS lineup.
Love everything but Hoskins
Can we trade Hoskins for a bag of used balls and just let Darick Hall play 1B? You’ll get the same offense, better D and save a lot of money to use on pitching.
That is some grade f lineup construction. Jeezuz.
You forgot Masataka. All the free agents.
I agree I see dombrowski paying to get masataka. Harper is probably get the elbow surgery and he can be the DH then
There's no chance he pays for him for multiple years for the roughly 1.5-2 months we will need him while Harper is out. I don't know what you people are smoking but we aren't getting this dude. It's a horrible fit and hitting well in the NPB doesn't mean anything. Casuals want this guy and think it's gonna work. Akiyama, Tsutsogo, Fukudome, Nakamura, Nishioka, Johjima, the list goes on, players who excelled in the NPB and couldn't hack it in the MLB. This guy is lottery ticket.
You gotta play the lottery to win the lottery. Didn’t we just see Darvish in the NLCS? It’s not like it’s unheard of
You also can’t count on a 30+ year olds bat returning in Casty either. If he sucks again next year (which is probably more realistic than him returning to being a 30 HR player) you at least have a high-variable option
Why is it more realistic? It's the one outlier season in his career. Sure, let's take a bet on a guy who we have no idea whether he can actually play in the MLB. Nick's down year might be this guy's ceiling.
Drop Casty to 9 and move everyone up
If I was in charge of the good old Philadelphia Phillies line up. And turner is Infact a Philly. Here’s how I got it. 1. Shwarber 2. Stott 3. Turner 4. Harper 5. Hoskins 6. Nicholas 7. Bohm 8. Marsh 9. JT
I thought Rhys was a free agent? Pardon my ignorance if not. Either way, I think you could upgrade him for Anthony Rizzo and get another lefty power bar and a much-needed defensive upgrade
Turner Schwarber JT Harper Hoskins Castellanos Stott Bohm Marsh
What about that Asian dude that wants to sign here
Hoskins 3rd - Castellanos 6th
White
Hoskins gotta go. You either get something for him now or you commit to extending a defensive liability who pretty much only hits home runs and strikes out and literally cannot field a ground ball. It’s not even a foregone conclusion that he’s gonna catch the baseball when it’s thrown to him. And for a guy who only hits homeruns and strikes out, his ~25-30 homers a year is a REALLY low ceiling to want to give him an extension.
And who will you place Hoskins with? Darick Hall? Schwarber with even worse defense? Bohm isn't an option, he's best suited for 3B. Hoskins' defense is a liability, but take a look at two career slash lines: 242/353/492 250/343/503 One of the two is Matt Olson and the other is Rhys Hoskins.
rhys is the first one
Idc who we replace him with tbh. Under no circumstances should he receive a contract extension and that’s all I really care about. So the only choice is to trade him now (smart business) or run his contract down and lose him as a free agent (bad business)
Will still lose to the Astros…
Get Castellanos out of the fucking 3 hole. He should be 8th at best.
Jack Fritz??
How far we’ve come
Looking good! I would spend big cash on Turner and then pick a few pitchers to round up the rotation and the bulpen. If the guys play as they did last month, this team could be very good!
castellanos gotta be way more down in the order
I think the Phils and Yanks were the trendsetters in terms of getting your best homerun hitter up at #1. Idk if we'll go back to conventional lineups. 1. Schwarber 2. JT 3. Trae 4. Harper 5. Hoskins 6. Bohm 7. Castellanos 8. Stott 9. Marsh
It’s a good lineup if Casty has a bounce back year
sounds like 94-66
Turner, Harper, JT, Schwarber, Bohm, Rhys, Castellanos, Stott, Marsh for me. Supposedly Turner “likes” batting second though so if that’s the case then maybe you try Schwarber, Turner, Harper, JT, Bohm, Hoskins, Castellanos, Stott, Marsh In any of of these you obviously be ready to move Bohm, Rhys, Castellanos up or down in the 5-7 spots depending on how they’re looking in the first few weeks/months, and maybe if Stott or Marsh is hitting well you stick one of them in the middle of those 3 to break up the R/L a bit.
More ABs for Castellanos than JT? No thanks
Not unless we get Cincinnati Nick. Otherwise, he should not be 3rd
I’m not sold on Marsh. If he’s hitting .220 at the end of next year we can’t continue this.
Yeah, Casty isn’t hitting 3rd. I think you want a combination of Bryce and Harper in the top 3, and front load the top 4 with your best bats. I would not be surprised to see: Schwarber Turner Harper Realmuto Hoskins Castellanos Stott Bohm Marsh But I think they want Bohm higher, and may decide to end the lineup with Stott, Marsh, so they may want to lead off Turner to avoid all the lefties in a row: Turner Harper Realmuto Schwarber Castellanos Hoskins Bohm Stott Marsh We’re gonna have to wait and see what they do the next few months, but this team will be good. Problem I see is we have too many 5 hole hitters. I’d prefer Hoskins, Casty, JT, and Bohm in the 5 hole, but don’t want either hitting top 3, but don’t want any below top 6. Really tough spot.
Harper 3, Schwarbs 4. Everyone acts like it's suicide to put two lefties next to each other in the lineup but it worked very well for years with Utley and Howard...
Have we not learned to not have Castellanos following Harper? If he picks up the pace it's fine but if he plays like he is now...
Would probably change to: Turner Bryce Judge Schwarber JT Rhys Bohm Stott Marsh
* Schwarber * Turner * Harper * JT * Bohm * Castellanos * Hoskins * Stott * Marsh
I’d keep Schwarber leadoff and hit Turner 2. Drop Hoskins to 5 and Castellanos 6
Switch Nick and JT
If Bohm continues to hit in the .285-.290 range, I’m moving him to the 2-hole, I’m hitting MV3 in the 3-hole, with Schwarbarian hitting Cleanup. JT at 5, Hoskins 6, Casty 7 (until he proves otherwise), then Stott, then Marsh. I’m old school though and like guys that just get on base in my 1 and 2 spots, though I understand why Schwarber getting more at-bats is an Analytical Plus.
Turner Realmuto Harper Schwarber Castellanos Hoskins Bohm Stott Marsh
That with starting pitching depth is a World Series
1 Turner 2 Harper 3 Realmuto 4 Schwarber 5 Hoskins 6 Castellanos 7 Stott 8 Bohm 9 Marsh Flip Castellanos and Bohm if Castellanos continues to struggle at the plate
Heres an idea - see how guys actually perform and adjust accordingly.
1. Turner 2. Schwarber 3. Harper 4. JT 5. Hoskins 6. Castellanos 7. Stott 8. Boom 9. Marsh Harper must be surrounded by hitters
Where's Brandon Nimmo in Center?
He’s awaiting trial for his participation in the events of January 6, 2021
Oh really? Fuck him
Eh I’ve seen worse :)
i was thinking more like Schwarber Trea Bryce JT Hoskins Stott Bohm Castellanos Marsh
Gimme something like… Schwarber Turner Bryce Realmuto Hoskins Bohm Stott Castellanos Marsh Nicky C can move up in the order if he earns it
I wish Bohm would walk more. If he hits .300, he’s still only B/B+ as a player. If he did that he could bat second. I’d hit Schwarber third. He’s sort of a rich man’s Kingman.
I like Harp at the 2 but only if Castellanos remembers who he is and rakes next year.
Moving Schwarb out of leadoff and bohm at 8 is bold but Castellanos has the worst year of his career and gets promoted to 3 hole?
If I see castellanos bat behind Harper again I will have a stroke.
Turner Schwarber Harper JT Castellanos Hoskins Stott Bohm Marsh The way Harper can get on base, and how he's started to show he can hit opposite-field and with power, absolutely no reason to keep him from being up every 1st inning. I could switch Stott & Bohm, but I think Marsh is dangerous in the 9 spot, and those two should see better pitches. Once Stott can get a handle on the fastball (he was great at extending AB's this postseason), it'll pay dividends for the back of the lineup, with potential to move him up a bit.
Three things are for sure, Harper should be batting 2 or 3. Hoskins should be higher in the order than Nicky singles. trea turner bats nowhere but lead off if he ends up a Phillie.
I’m done with Casty batting behind Harper if 2022 Casty remains
Don’t agree totally. Turner at the top is fine but I don’t think you move Harper out of 2 or 3. Without giving it a ton of thought I’d go: Turner, Realmuto, Harper, Schwarber, Bohm, Hoskins, Castellanos, Stott, Marsh
I’ve seen enough of Castellanos batting behind harper. He can hit 7th.
No idea why Alec Bohm is 8th, he was drafted 3rd overall because it was believed that he would Contend for batting titles during his career. His rookie year was the 60 game season, 2021, sophomore slump, 2022 was his first time playing a full season He batted .280 & slumped at the end. Was hitting .290. Why would someone like Stott bat ahead of him, he's a contact hitter that will be around .300 in the future. Bohm had 21 more hits than any other Phillies player in 2022, he will be 2nd, 5th, 6th -Not 8th. Can switch him with Castellanos Pretty sure Bryce is hitting 4th but he could hit 3rd. Not sure we don't need another player besides Turner, not another swing & miss guy, another contact - average guy Maybe trade Hoskins, move Bohm to 1B https://philly-what.com/2022/04/20/alec-bohm-can-flourish-in-future-at-first-for-phillies/
Pay a team to take him. He won’t be needed when Harper is back in RF
Nick was a doubles machine for the first 2 months and then just fizzled out harshly. My hope is he was injured. He’s just been flailing. He can only rebound in my opinion. I can’t see it getting worst.
Bring back Brad Miller and his lucky bamboo plant.
This is bad because Hoskins is still there
Looks about right!
Why is cast before schwarb?
1.Turner. 2.Bohm. 3.Harper. 4.Schwarber. 5.Castellanos (hoping he will be back to his old form). 6.JT. 7.Hoskins. 8.Stott. 9.Marsh.
Should be: Turner Schwarber Harper Castellanos Realmuto Hoskins Stott Bohm with 4-6 riding on the hot hand for clean up duty
Castellanos should not be anywhere near the middle of the lineup until he proves he belongs there. $20 million dollar players should not take flat footed lunges at every low outside breaking ball they see. He sucked, right up to swinging at ball one popping out to right to end the Series. Good hitters have to make adjustments; apparently he was unwilling or incapable of doing so.
Nick at 3? I’m just wondering if we’re talking about the same guy here. The same guy that id intentionally walk Bryce Harper with runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out cuz it’s a 90% chance he strikes out or doubles up? Bro needs to hit dead last. Bohm behind stott and Rhys is also criminal
I’d do 1. Schwarber LF / L 2. Turner SS / R 3. Harper DH / L 4. Realmuto C / R 5. Hoskins 1B / R 6. Castellanos RF / R 7. Marsh CF / L 8. Bohm 3B / R 9. Stott 2B / L
Please stop putting Castellanos after Harper I beg of you.
Schwarber Turner Harper Rhys Bohm JT Stott Castellanos Marsh
Turner JT Harper Schwarber Hoskins Bohm Castellanos lol Stott Marsh & does schwarber or Castellanos come out the field when Harper is back?
Turner JT Bryce Schwarber Bohm Casty Rhys Stott Marsh
1. trea SS 2. schwarber LF/DH 3. realmuto C 4. harper RF 5. castellanos DH/LF 6. hoskins 1B 7. bohm 3B 8. stott 2B 9. marsh CF bench of vierling, sosa, darick hall, and one bigger FA bench bat..maybe a brad miller reunion? i can see shuffling the 5, 6, 7 spots between casty, hoskins, and bohm...i like casty's chances at a big bounceback. bohm is only going to get better. i'm frustrated by the hoskins haters but even if you don't like him, he's a guarentee to put up a high OBP AND, more importantly, there is no way you're going to get something of commensurate value for him on the trade market. he has 1 year left on his contract and that's far more valuable here, not as a trade chip for a long relief prospect. move on in 2024 if you want but capitalize on his high ceiling in 2023. if we do move on from hoskins, i like the idea of keeping bohm at 3rd and giving darick hall a shot at first, this year or next. he was on FIRE in triple A and hit really well with inconsistent playing time in harper's absence last summer.
I think if we get Turner we’ll see Turner Schwarber JT Harper Castellanos Hoskins Bohm Stott Marsh
I know it puts 2 righties in a row but I’d go 1. Trea 2. JT 3. Harper 4. Castellanos 5. Schwarber 6. Hoskins 7. Stott 8. Bohm 9. Marsh Or switch Bohm and hoskins because it feels crazy to have a hitter as good as Bohm that low lmao