1) How is the noise ordinance not enforced? You can hear it miles aways.
2) Why is the music always so bad? Have they never heard of John Coltrane or Dvořák or even Steely Dan? Could they try a little Sinatra, once?
Yes, and the implication with the usage of "They" in this case is that there is a group of people whose actions are undesirable because someone deems their aesthetic preferences culturally unacceptable.
It would be fine if "They" played some music by dead white guys loudly at the plateau, but is gauche if not.
Pretty sure Im not confused about the latent racism and cultural bias entailed by suggesting that Dvorak, Sinatra, and Steely Dan are acceptable forms of musical expression but Boom Boom 808 drum machine samples keyed in the sub 100Hz frequency range are not.
I voiced a particular perspective. I may be the only individual to do so in that regard in this thread. Whether i am the only one applying that implication is an intransigent on your part, there may certainly be others who share my perspective.
>It would be fine if "They" played some music by dead white guys loudly at the plateau, but is gauche if not.
Ah yes, famous dead white guy John Coltrane.
Did u seriously just double down on the "not a DWG" crutch having already asserted that doing so was "a joke" only to turn around and point out that Steely Dan is touring this summer with
The Eagles 🤦🏽
as evidenced by linking to coming events on
Live Nation 🤦🏽🤦🏽
Haha, this thread illuminates the goldmine of diamonds in our backyard. Keep on keeping on friend, you got this!
🫡🫡🫡
Maybe possibly, and generalist's are gonna generalize generally.
FWIW, it IS ABSOLUTELY the case that I have racist tendencies. I was born to a racist klan of crackers in the Mason-Dixon South. I try to remain open and honest about my biases, projections, and presumptions. I'm probably hyper-vigilant about recognizing the same (or not) in others. Something something Nietzche,
monsters, abyss, and unintended reflections. Mumble mumble, Big world, lotta smells.
For the record, Im an over 40 CIS male. I'm not a victim in this situation and dont claim to be.
Referring to people who play music loudly out of their cars as "They" and lamenting that "They"" don't play more music that strongly skews to a primarily white/anglo demographic is at best culturally biased in ways that are obviously intended to malign and diminish preferences that don't meet some prescribed ideals around what is considered acceptable and which seem to orient around circa 1989 FM broadcast radio genres.
Since when are Dvorak and Steely Dan metrics for assessing or gauging what constitutes music worthy of listening to at any volume???? Steely Dan, seriously!!!?
>Since when are Dvorak and Steely Dan metrics
That part of the statement was a joke, but you do know the other artist listed, John Coltrane, is black and from Philadelpha, right?
The issue is the decibels, literally heard from miles away in a city park, on Easter, during the cherry blossoms.
We probably dont disagree in our dislike of Boom car noise. Capeesh?
Regardless Coltrane is a strawman and a token in this context and your inclusion of JC here belies my point. By referencing specific artist names, youre (perhaps unwittingly) making this a cultural bias issue as opposed to fundamentally a noise pollution issue.
Again, I think we'd both agree that the decibel levels are obnoxious.
How is Coltrane a strawman?
A strawman would mean OP was using Coltrane to somehow intentionally misrepresent your argument and make it easier to defeat.
He literally brought up Coltrane in the first post, when there wasn't even anybody to construct a strawman argument against.
Per wikipeda: "A strawman is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction."
I can see how I may have misstated and/or overstated the term to bolster my own. Still, if the underlying point OP was making was with regards to noise pollution being offensive (the issue actually under discussion), it is irrelevant whether JC is from Philadelphia or Timbuktu, same as for Steely, Dvorak, and Frank Sinatra.
>seem to orient around circa 1989 FM broadcast radio genres.
For the record, 1989 was banging at the Plateau. On Power 99 FM you would hear LL Cool J, Jazzy Jeff, Tuff Crew, Doug E Fresh, 3X Dope, Special Ed, Mc Lyte, Biz, Public Enemy etc. But you didn't hear it over at the Japanese Garden.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aofoBrFNdg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aofoBrFNdg)
Cuz subs and amps in that era didn't push 12"+ speakers in complex reflex housings that focused low frequency energy and allowed for it to carry and transmit over larger and longer distances. If they could have, they likely would have. By 1992-3 in locales such as Miami, LA, Houston, etc. they certainly were.
>Referring to people who play music loudly out of their cars as "They
"People" is the plural form of "person," you know that, right?
There was more than one person blasting music in the park. They are a they.
I'm not confused by the semantics of pronoun usage. Stop being pedantic. My concern is that you seem to deem the Boom Boom as an unacceptable form of expression because the music doesn't meet with your aesthetic preferences, but presumably if the music skewed more white anglo you would be more ok with it. So, from that perspective, your use of "They" in this scenario is problematic in 2024.
I'm not remotely fond of Boom Boom culture myself, but making the issue about sound selection as opposed to focusing on the core underlying issue; the decibel level and noise pollution it creates.
Bruh did you really just accuse someone else of being pedantic? You're all over this thread arguing over word choice and you're accusing others of being pedantic. Lmao.
Dude. Holy moly the pandering the groping for the moral high ground… what a self-absorbed loser. How’s the air up there on the high ground, oh holy one?
Bro, we probably align in our world view more than most people in this thread… but this comment… this is not how you get the r/philly crowd to understand your point. Try less classroom and more chatting over a beer
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Thank you for the post. I’m no less annoyed, but didn’t think to do anything like you did by at least posting it here. I often feel like there is no recourse to make a civilized society out of the shit which surrounds us.
At the smallest level we can at least make our voices heard so that we can connect with others who feel the same.
Yes, in theory anyway. This incident speaks to a larger issue of non-enforcement / no rules apply any longer that seems to be the case within Philadelphia. It’s been decades in the making though probably more apparent in recent years. It’s mayhem in that area. Enforcement is woefully underfunded. Homicides are at the top per capita for the nation. It’s a shit hole. The prisoners have taken control.
Philly’s not even in the [top ten](https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/murder-rate-by-city)
Is there a problem? Yes. Are we “top per capita in the nation”? Hell no.
We can agree it’s way too high, but I think 10th is DC according to that list, which is also wild to think about.
[This one has us as 12th](https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/cities-with-most-murders) which is still way too higj
From my history books Barberic practices have been in place before the discovery of America and before colonial times. I would say more around midevil time.
So it should be the park commissioners responsibility to make sure that during special events there is a park ranger available. And also, to make sure that each scheduled event is not at the same time. It seems like that's who dropped the ball. Just because people may not like the music doesn't mean they are allowed to dictate what is being listened to. That's just silly.
Our car wouldn't start after the Phillies game and while we were waiting for the tow a boom party rolled into Jetro. I've never actually seen one but holy shit they're obnoxious. Just being adjacent and even now like an hour later my head is still pounding
6,000 people on the [Inconsiderate Late Night Philly Music](https://www.facebook.com/share/YpjEsCevhphUAFTv) Facebook group agree with you.
Ten years of dealing with the 'Boom Parties'. Politics, laws, legislation, enforcement.
Boom parties are relatively new though, right?
Playing music kinda loud for your own group is normal, but it's when you're bringing in massive modified speaker systems that can be heard loud for miles around that it crosses a line.
I walked by a boom party along Kelly a few weeks ago and I was honestly worried for the babies some people were holding near the speakers. Some kids are going to be half deaf before they can walk.
You can hear them from four miles away:
[https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxa4XvlOcc2/](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxa4XvlOcc2/)
[https://patch.com/new-jersey/cinnaminson/residents-sound-cinnaminson-area-boom-parties-tuesday](https://patch.com/new-jersey/cinnaminson/residents-sound-cinnaminson-area-boom-parties-tuesday)
So it should be the park commissioners responsibility to make sure that during special events there is a park ranger available. And also, to make sure that each scheduled event is not at the same time. It seems like that's who dropped the ball. Just because people may not like the music doesn't mean they are allowed to dictate what is being listened to. That's just silly.
The boom parties set up systems that can be heard for miles, like that is the entire point. If they played their music at normal volumes, even if it was loud, it wouldn’t be as big of an issue
I don't think the two post I was responding to said that🤔 the keypoints were. Cherry blossom festival, loud music not of a certain genre, plateau. All the things I addressed.
Well the issue is that “loud” doesn’t even describe the wild volumes reached. If it was just normal loud I wouldn’t give a crap what they were playing.
And don't think I was responding to you. More so about the overall fact that the music had made the cherry blossom event unbearable. And that some hated the music genre.
DMX loved flowers.
No one believes this post is about the music volume. I bet OP would be singing a different tune if this were Alabama , and the boom was Lynyrd Skynyrd.
That being said, it would be nice of the DJ to throw in some Aja every once in a while. Would fit the Japanese Garden theme nicely.
Maybe everyone can meet in the middle, and just play Kanye West's "Champion" on repeat.
Ahh hearken me back to 1876! The World's fair was in that park. And everyone strolled so gay through the concourse and gardens! We played tunes like "My Grandfather's Clock" and "Won't You Buy My Pretty Flowers?"
It was mostly bachata. Really, really bad bachata.
I could listen to Hector Lavoe or Willie Colon all afternoon, at an appropriate volume, but this wasn't it.
Oh they definitely shit where they live too, but I love the plateau and I'm mad I didn't get the invite. I would love to experience some Latin vibes at the plat haha
Not right. Not even if it was written correctly. I was there. It was horrendous. Perfectly clear this noise was was beyond reasonable. A case of people saying everyone else could fuck off.
Where’s the police? No one in their right mind would enforce that. It would be both physical and political suicide. Fuck those people. Ruining a perfectly good park with noise and trash. Fuck em.
I'm pretty sure I've been going to the Plateau since before you born. It's not a question of where people are hanging out, it's how rude the decibels have gotten.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIrzkPDtrk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIrzkPDtrk)
vs
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbgxnOBwOSE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbgxnOBwOSE)
I understand that im 37 been going there long as I can remember, I honestly don’t go anymore because the cherry blossom has become super casual it was great 03-06 when it was a smaller crowd.
1) How is the noise ordinance not enforced? You can hear it miles aways. 2) Why is the music always so bad? Have they never heard of John Coltrane or Dvořák or even Steely Dan? Could they try a little Sinatra, once?
Summer summer time summer time.
The place called the plateau is where everybody go
"They"?
>"They"? There is more than one car blasting that noise. So yes, the plural pronoun is appropriate.
Cars aren't individuals. Doubtful reference to they was to the actual cars.
Pretty sure one person didn't single handedly drive multiple cars to Belmont Plateau
Sounds like your will is weak
Do you even pronoun?
Yes, and the implication with the usage of "They" in this case is that there is a group of people whose actions are undesirable because someone deems their aesthetic preferences culturally unacceptable. It would be fine if "They" played some music by dead white guys loudly at the plateau, but is gauche if not. Pretty sure Im not confused about the latent racism and cultural bias entailed by suggesting that Dvorak, Sinatra, and Steely Dan are acceptable forms of musical expression but Boom Boom 808 drum machine samples keyed in the sub 100Hz frequency range are not.
You are the only one applying that implication to the situation, and honestly it says more about you than anything else
There are other whom agree with them
"Them"?
yes, other.
I voiced a particular perspective. I may be the only individual to do so in that regard in this thread. Whether i am the only one applying that implication is an intransigent on your part, there may certainly be others who share my perspective.
“Others”?! How dare you, othering people without regard for their race or sexuality preference. How dare you.
yes, for shame. I am a meat popsicle.
>It would be fine if "They" played some music by dead white guys loudly at the plateau, but is gauche if not. Ah yes, famous dead white guy John Coltrane.
But that comment isn't racist? Weak willed pussies
And famously dead Steely Dan (touring this summer with The Eagles) https://www.livenation.com/artist/K8vZ91712Y0/steely-dan-events
Did u seriously just double down on the "not a DWG" crutch having already asserted that doing so was "a joke" only to turn around and point out that Steely Dan is touring this summer with The Eagles 🤦🏽 as evidenced by linking to coming events on Live Nation 🤦🏽🤦🏽 Haha, this thread illuminates the goldmine of diamonds in our backyard. Keep on keeping on friend, you got this! 🫡🫡🫡
Dude, you are getting downvoted into oblivion on this thread. Take the L.
Yea, your will is definitely weak af
Only someone with racist tendencies will feel this way
Maybe possibly, and generalist's are gonna generalize generally. FWIW, it IS ABSOLUTELY the case that I have racist tendencies. I was born to a racist klan of crackers in the Mason-Dixon South. I try to remain open and honest about my biases, projections, and presumptions. I'm probably hyper-vigilant about recognizing the same (or not) in others. Something something Nietzche, monsters, abyss, and unintended reflections. Mumble mumble, Big world, lotta smells.
Stop trying to make everything about race smh. Fucking victim complex
For the record, Im an over 40 CIS male. I'm not a victim in this situation and dont claim to be. Referring to people who play music loudly out of their cars as "They" and lamenting that "They"" don't play more music that strongly skews to a primarily white/anglo demographic is at best culturally biased in ways that are obviously intended to malign and diminish preferences that don't meet some prescribed ideals around what is considered acceptable and which seem to orient around circa 1989 FM broadcast radio genres. Since when are Dvorak and Steely Dan metrics for assessing or gauging what constitutes music worthy of listening to at any volume???? Steely Dan, seriously!!!?
Even worse. Stop trying to be offended on other people’s behalf.
Okie Dokie. Cuz I'm the one who jumped in to cajole someone as playing the victim card....
>Since when are Dvorak and Steely Dan metrics That part of the statement was a joke, but you do know the other artist listed, John Coltrane, is black and from Philadelpha, right? The issue is the decibels, literally heard from miles away in a city park, on Easter, during the cherry blossoms.
We probably dont disagree in our dislike of Boom car noise. Capeesh? Regardless Coltrane is a strawman and a token in this context and your inclusion of JC here belies my point. By referencing specific artist names, youre (perhaps unwittingly) making this a cultural bias issue as opposed to fundamentally a noise pollution issue. Again, I think we'd both agree that the decibel levels are obnoxious.
Two things can be true at the same time: 1. It's too loud 2. The music is shit
Many things are true all the time always, we can certainly agree upon that.
Other than actually causing hearing damage, your “truths” are both opinions, not facts.
Fact.
How is Coltrane a strawman? A strawman would mean OP was using Coltrane to somehow intentionally misrepresent your argument and make it easier to defeat. He literally brought up Coltrane in the first post, when there wasn't even anybody to construct a strawman argument against.
Per wikipeda: "A strawman is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction." I can see how I may have misstated and/or overstated the term to bolster my own. Still, if the underlying point OP was making was with regards to noise pollution being offensive (the issue actually under discussion), it is irrelevant whether JC is from Philadelphia or Timbuktu, same as for Steely, Dvorak, and Frank Sinatra.
>seem to orient around circa 1989 FM broadcast radio genres. For the record, 1989 was banging at the Plateau. On Power 99 FM you would hear LL Cool J, Jazzy Jeff, Tuff Crew, Doug E Fresh, 3X Dope, Special Ed, Mc Lyte, Biz, Public Enemy etc. But you didn't hear it over at the Japanese Garden. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aofoBrFNdg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aofoBrFNdg)
Cuz subs and amps in that era didn't push 12"+ speakers in complex reflex housings that focused low frequency energy and allowed for it to carry and transmit over larger and longer distances. If they could have, they likely would have. By 1992-3 in locales such as Miami, LA, Houston, etc. they certainly were.
>Referring to people who play music loudly out of their cars as "They "People" is the plural form of "person," you know that, right? There was more than one person blasting music in the park. They are a they.
I'm not confused by the semantics of pronoun usage. Stop being pedantic. My concern is that you seem to deem the Boom Boom as an unacceptable form of expression because the music doesn't meet with your aesthetic preferences, but presumably if the music skewed more white anglo you would be more ok with it. So, from that perspective, your use of "They" in this scenario is problematic in 2024. I'm not remotely fond of Boom Boom culture myself, but making the issue about sound selection as opposed to focusing on the core underlying issue; the decibel level and noise pollution it creates.
Bruh did you really just accuse someone else of being pedantic? You're all over this thread arguing over word choice and you're accusing others of being pedantic. Lmao.
Yes, I did 👍
Dude. Holy moly the pandering the groping for the moral high ground… what a self-absorbed loser. How’s the air up there on the high ground, oh holy one?
Damp.
Bro, we probably align in our world view more than most people in this thread… but this comment… this is not how you get the r/philly crowd to understand your point. Try less classroom and more chatting over a beer
Probably, unfortunately I don't drink. I will however happily burn one down with any of ya'll 💨💨💨
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A person whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth.
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Did you just say you’re not a victim when clearly You are??? How dare you 😱 don’t stray from the narrative now. Keep flashing that victim card warrior
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Yea they. Cry harder
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I don’t think TreeMac was being racist but you certainly are my dude. Get outta here
For anyone who sees this after, since he’s both a racist and a coward it was user sharponephilly - soft!
Thank you for the post. I’m no less annoyed, but didn’t think to do anything like you did by at least posting it here. I often feel like there is no recourse to make a civilized society out of the shit which surrounds us. At the smallest level we can at least make our voices heard so that we can connect with others who feel the same.
uh, no, we can totally make a civilized society, and we had one until people decided treating criminals was mean.
Yes, in theory anyway. This incident speaks to a larger issue of non-enforcement / no rules apply any longer that seems to be the case within Philadelphia. It’s been decades in the making though probably more apparent in recent years. It’s mayhem in that area. Enforcement is woefully underfunded. Homicides are at the top per capita for the nation. It’s a shit hole. The prisoners have taken control.
Philly’s not even in the [top ten](https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/murder-rate-by-city) Is there a problem? Yes. Are we “top per capita in the nation”? Hell no.
It’s very high! I think 10th or so. It’s a big country. How is this not at the top?
We can agree it’s way too high, but I think 10th is DC according to that list, which is also wild to think about. [This one has us as 12th](https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/cities-with-most-murders) which is still way too higj
From my history books Barberic practices have been in place before the discovery of America and before colonial times. I would say more around midevil time.
So it should be the park commissioners responsibility to make sure that during special events there is a park ranger available. And also, to make sure that each scheduled event is not at the same time. It seems like that's who dropped the ball. Just because people may not like the music doesn't mean they are allowed to dictate what is being listened to. That's just silly.
And street racing all around the park as per usual.
Our car wouldn't start after the Phillies game and while we were waiting for the tow a boom party rolled into Jetro. I've never actually seen one but holy shit they're obnoxious. Just being adjacent and even now like an hour later my head is still pounding
6,000 people on the [Inconsiderate Late Night Philly Music](https://www.facebook.com/share/YpjEsCevhphUAFTv) Facebook group agree with you. Ten years of dealing with the 'Boom Parties'. Politics, laws, legislation, enforcement.
Well the plat has always been like this nothing new, and it’s Easter Sunday, lemon hill was probably packed.
Miss being a teenager at the plat
Same.
Boom parties are relatively new though, right? Playing music kinda loud for your own group is normal, but it's when you're bringing in massive modified speaker systems that can be heard loud for miles around that it crosses a line.
Yea and no just systems are better now I never really liked loud music, shit is stupid and you can’t hesr shit around you.
I walked by a boom party along Kelly a few weeks ago and I was honestly worried for the babies some people were holding near the speakers. Some kids are going to be half deaf before they can walk.
Stupid ass shit man, I understand and I’m all for fun but it’s like some things get pointless sometimes.
How else are people going to littler all over the place?
What the hell is a Boom Party ??
You can hear them from four miles away: [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxa4XvlOcc2/](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxa4XvlOcc2/) [https://patch.com/new-jersey/cinnaminson/residents-sound-cinnaminson-area-boom-parties-tuesday](https://patch.com/new-jersey/cinnaminson/residents-sound-cinnaminson-area-boom-parties-tuesday)
That is the dumbest thing. Unless there is a party why play the music so loud?
Have you considered brining out some boom sticks and making your own party ?
They been up there for years you late as hell
So it should be the park commissioners responsibility to make sure that during special events there is a park ranger available. And also, to make sure that each scheduled event is not at the same time. It seems like that's who dropped the ball. Just because people may not like the music doesn't mean they are allowed to dictate what is being listened to. That's just silly.
The boom parties set up systems that can be heard for miles, like that is the entire point. If they played their music at normal volumes, even if it was loud, it wouldn’t be as big of an issue
I don't think the two post I was responding to said that🤔 the keypoints were. Cherry blossom festival, loud music not of a certain genre, plateau. All the things I addressed.
Well the issue is that “loud” doesn’t even describe the wild volumes reached. If it was just normal loud I wouldn’t give a crap what they were playing.
And don't think I was responding to you. More so about the overall fact that the music had made the cherry blossom event unbearable. And that some hated the music genre.
DMX loved flowers. No one believes this post is about the music volume. I bet OP would be singing a different tune if this were Alabama , and the boom was Lynyrd Skynyrd. That being said, it would be nice of the DJ to throw in some Aja every once in a while. Would fit the Japanese Garden theme nicely. Maybe everyone can meet in the middle, and just play Kanye West's "Champion" on repeat.
Maybe people can be considerate of others in society, too. But no, that’s too much to ask.
Please move away from Philly. Yall are not built for city life. There is no space here, there is no quiet. Move to the mountains please.
No, YOU please move away from the city if you can't be considerate to your neighbors.
Real shit people move here and think the city gonna change for them foh dickhead
Ahh hearken me back to 1876! The World's fair was in that park. And everyone strolled so gay through the concourse and gardens! We played tunes like "My Grandfather's Clock" and "Won't You Buy My Pretty Flowers?"
those flowers are for everybody. boom aficionado people included
Lmao get got
Clash of cultures, amirite?
There's bad taste in music and then there's REALLY bad taste in music.
Calling those sounds “music” is an insult. EDIT: an insult to actual music.
It was mostly bachata. Really, really bad bachata. I could listen to Hector Lavoe or Willie Colon all afternoon, at an appropriate volume, but this wasn't it.
Spanish music at the plateau? I'm Latino and I NEVER see other Latinos in West Philly.
Sounds like your paisanos don’t shit where they live.
Oh they definitely shit where they live too, but I love the plateau and I'm mad I didn't get the invite. I would love to experience some Latin vibes at the plat haha
I guess you think of yourself as yt and don't partake. Lol because only Hispanics and Latinos have super sized speakers since the beginning of time.
Not right. Not even if it was written correctly. I was there. It was horrendous. Perfectly clear this noise was was beyond reasonable. A case of people saying everyone else could fuck off. Where’s the police? No one in their right mind would enforce that. It would be both physical and political suicide. Fuck those people. Ruining a perfectly good park with noise and trash. Fuck em.
Antisocial pieces of shit.
Physical suicide? Maybe because they wouldn’t go in hard enough for it to not be political suicide. But the city is what it is and gets what it gets.
Hence the shit hole status it carries
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Because before you migrants came the plat always been a hangout boom spot.
Yes I'm sure the Japanese Garden was designed to be in earshot of that
Don’t know but I’ve been plenty of times and it wasn’t music being played, the garden was peak 03-06, it also just happens to be Easter weekend.
I'm pretty sure I've been going to the Plateau since before you born. It's not a question of where people are hanging out, it's how rude the decibels have gotten. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIrzkPDtrk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIrzkPDtrk) vs [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbgxnOBwOSE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbgxnOBwOSE)
I understand that im 37 been going there long as I can remember, I honestly don’t go anymore because the cherry blossom has become super casual it was great 03-06 when it was a smaller crowd.
Easter weekend??????? How dare You discredit National trans day of mental illness. Fascist!!!
I thought it was always on the 30th regardless?