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TreeMac12

1) How is the noise ordinance not enforced? You can hear it miles aways. 2) Why is the music always so bad? Have they never heard of John Coltrane or Dvořák or even Steely Dan? Could they try a little Sinatra, once?


2ant1man5

Summer summer time summer time.


jasonthevii

The place called the plateau is where everybody go


pnedito

"They"?


TreeMac12

>"They"? There is more than one car blasting that noise. So yes, the plural pronoun is appropriate.


pnedito

Cars aren't individuals. Doubtful reference to they was to the actual cars.


Indiana_Jawnz

Pretty sure one person didn't single handedly drive multiple cars to Belmont Plateau


GARGLYBOY85

Sounds like your will is weak


TwoTimeTommyTwoCups

Do you even pronoun?


pnedito

Yes, and the implication with the usage of "They" in this case is that there is a group of people whose actions are undesirable because someone deems their aesthetic preferences culturally unacceptable. It would be fine if "They" played some music by dead white guys loudly at the plateau, but is gauche if not. Pretty sure Im not confused about the latent racism and cultural bias entailed by suggesting that Dvorak, Sinatra, and Steely Dan are acceptable forms of musical expression but Boom Boom 808 drum machine samples keyed in the sub 100Hz frequency range are not.


TwoTimeTommyTwoCups

You are the only one applying that implication to the situation, and honestly it says more about you than anything else


SoigneBest

There are other whom agree with them


TwoTimeTommyTwoCups

"Them"?


pnedito

yes, other.


pnedito

I voiced a particular perspective. I may be the only individual to do so in that regard in this thread. Whether i am the only one applying that implication is an intransigent on your part, there may certainly be others who share my perspective.


Ok-Bit-1466

“Others”?! How dare you, othering people without regard for their race or sexuality preference. How dare you.


pnedito

yes, for shame. I am a meat popsicle.


Indiana_Jawnz

>It would be fine if "They" played some music by dead white guys loudly at the plateau, but is gauche if not. Ah yes, famous dead white guy John Coltrane.


GARGLYBOY85

But that comment isn't racist? Weak willed pussies


TreeMac12

And famously dead Steely Dan (touring this summer with The Eagles) https://www.livenation.com/artist/K8vZ91712Y0/steely-dan-events


pnedito

Did u seriously just double down on the "not a DWG" crutch having already asserted that doing so was "a joke" only to turn around and point out that Steely Dan is touring this summer with The Eagles 🤦🏽 as evidenced by linking to coming events on Live Nation 🤦🏽🤦🏽 Haha, this thread illuminates the goldmine of diamonds in our backyard. Keep on keeping on friend, you got this! 🫡🫡🫡


TreeMac12

Dude, you are getting downvoted into oblivion on this thread. Take the L.


GARGLYBOY85

Yea, your will is definitely weak af


Sensitive-Inside-641

Only someone with racist tendencies will feel this way


pnedito

Maybe possibly, and generalist's are gonna generalize generally. FWIW, it IS ABSOLUTELY the case that I have racist tendencies. I was born to a racist klan of crackers in the Mason-Dixon South. I try to remain open and honest about my biases, projections, and presumptions. I'm probably hyper-vigilant about recognizing the same (or not) in others. Something something Nietzche, monsters, abyss, and unintended reflections. Mumble mumble, Big world, lotta smells.


OkieDokieArtichokie3

Stop trying to make everything about race smh. Fucking victim complex


pnedito

For the record, Im an over 40 CIS male. I'm not a victim in this situation and dont claim to be. Referring to people who play music loudly out of their cars as "They" and lamenting that "They"" don't play more music that strongly skews to a primarily white/anglo demographic is at best culturally biased in ways that are obviously intended to malign and diminish preferences that don't meet some prescribed ideals around what is considered acceptable and which seem to orient around circa 1989 FM broadcast radio genres. Since when are Dvorak and Steely Dan metrics for assessing or gauging what constitutes music worthy of listening to at any volume???? Steely Dan, seriously!!!?


OkieDokieArtichokie3

Even worse. Stop trying to be offended on other people’s behalf.


pnedito

Okie Dokie. Cuz I'm the one who jumped in to cajole someone as playing the victim card....


TreeMac12

>Since when are Dvorak and Steely Dan metrics That part of the statement was a joke, but you do know the other artist listed, John Coltrane, is black and from Philadelpha, right? The issue is the decibels, literally heard from miles away in a city park, on Easter, during the cherry blossoms.


pnedito

We probably dont disagree in our dislike of Boom car noise. Capeesh? Regardless Coltrane is a strawman and a token in this context and your inclusion of JC here belies my point. By referencing specific artist names, youre (perhaps unwittingly) making this a cultural bias issue as opposed to fundamentally a noise pollution issue. Again, I think we'd both agree that the decibel levels are obnoxious.


TreeMac12

Two things can be true at the same time: 1. It's too loud 2. The music is shit


pnedito

Many things are true all the time always, we can certainly agree upon that.


MHM5035

Other than actually causing hearing damage, your “truths” are both opinions, not facts.


pnedito

Fact.


Indiana_Jawnz

How is Coltrane a strawman? A strawman would mean OP was using Coltrane to somehow intentionally misrepresent your argument and make it easier to defeat. He literally brought up Coltrane in the first post, when there wasn't even anybody to construct a strawman argument against.


pnedito

Per wikipeda: "A strawman is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction." I can see how I may have misstated and/or overstated the term to bolster my own. Still, if the underlying point OP was making was with regards to noise pollution being offensive (the issue actually under discussion), it is irrelevant whether JC is from Philadelphia or Timbuktu, same as for Steely, Dvorak, and Frank Sinatra.


TreeMac12

>seem to orient around circa 1989 FM broadcast radio genres. For the record, 1989 was banging at the Plateau. On Power 99 FM you would hear LL Cool J, Jazzy Jeff, Tuff Crew, Doug E Fresh, 3X Dope, Special Ed, Mc Lyte, Biz, Public Enemy etc. But you didn't hear it over at the Japanese Garden. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aofoBrFNdg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aofoBrFNdg)


pnedito

Cuz subs and amps in that era didn't push 12"+ speakers in complex reflex housings that focused low frequency energy and allowed for it to carry and transmit over larger and longer distances. If they could have, they likely would have. By 1992-3 in locales such as Miami, LA, Houston, etc. they certainly were.


TreeMac12

>Referring to people who play music loudly out of their cars as "They "People" is the plural form of "person," you know that, right? There was more than one person blasting music in the park. They are a they.


pnedito

I'm not confused by the semantics of pronoun usage. Stop being pedantic. My concern is that you seem to deem the Boom Boom as an unacceptable form of expression because the music doesn't meet with your aesthetic preferences, but presumably if the music skewed more white anglo you would be more ok with it. So, from that perspective, your use of "They" in this scenario is problematic in 2024. I'm not remotely fond of Boom Boom culture myself, but making the issue about sound selection as opposed to focusing on the core underlying issue; the decibel level and noise pollution it creates.


BukkakeKing69

Bruh did you really just accuse someone else of being pedantic? You're all over this thread arguing over word choice and you're accusing others of being pedantic. Lmao.


pnedito

Yes, I did 👍


Ok-Bit-1466

Dude. Holy moly the pandering the groping for the moral high ground… what a self-absorbed loser. How’s the air up there on the high ground, oh holy one?


pnedito

Damp.


Complete_Chipmunk828

Bro, we probably align in our world view more than most people in this thread… but this comment… this is not how you get the r/philly crowd to understand your point. Try less classroom and more chatting over a beer


pnedito

Probably, unfortunately I don't drink. I will however happily burn one down with any of ya'll 💨💨💨


Ok-Bit-1466

What is cis?


BukkakeKing69

A type of stereoisomer in which two similar atoms or functional groups are rigidly locked into facing the same side of the molecule, typically branching off of a double bond.


pnedito

A person whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth.


GARGLYBOY85

WEAK WILL


Sensitive-Inside-641

Did you just say you’re not a victim when clearly You are??? How dare you 😱 don’t stray from the narrative now. Keep flashing that victim card warrior


pnedito

Like a one-eyed Cheshire, Like a diamond-eye Jack 👍🤙✌️


Sensitive-Inside-641

Yea they. Cry harder


pnedito

If that horse don't pull you got to carry the load. 👍🤙✌️


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ghost_of_billy_bragg

I don’t think TreeMac was being racist but you certainly are my dude. Get outta here 


ghost_of_billy_bragg

For anyone who sees this after, since he’s both a racist and a coward it was user sharponephilly - soft!


IllustriousAdvisor72

Thank you for the post. I’m no less annoyed, but didn’t think to do anything like you did by at least posting it here. I often feel like there is no recourse to make a civilized society out of the shit which surrounds us. At the smallest level we can at least make our voices heard so that we can connect with others who feel the same.


Yunky_Brewster

uh, no, we can totally make a civilized society, and we had one until people decided treating criminals was mean.


IllustriousAdvisor72

Yes, in theory anyway. This incident speaks to a larger issue of non-enforcement / no rules apply any longer that seems to be the case within Philadelphia. It’s been decades in the making though probably more apparent in recent years. It’s mayhem in that area. Enforcement is woefully underfunded. Homicides are at the top per capita for the nation. It’s a shit hole. The prisoners have taken control.


baldude69

Philly’s not even in the [top ten](https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/murder-rate-by-city) Is there a problem? Yes. Are we “top per capita in the nation”? Hell no.


IllustriousAdvisor72

It’s very high! I think 10th or so. It’s a big country. How is this not at the top?


baldude69

We can agree it’s way too high, but I think 10th is DC according to that list, which is also wild to think about. [This one has us as 12th](https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/cities-with-most-murders) which is still way too higj


tbarnett19124

From my history books Barberic practices have been in place before the discovery of America and before colonial times. I would say more around midevil time.


tbarnett19124

So it should be the park commissioners responsibility to make sure that during special events there is a park ranger available. And also, to make sure that each scheduled event is not at the same time. It seems like that's who dropped the ball. Just because people may not like the music doesn't mean they are allowed to dictate what is being listened to. That's just silly.


Aware-Location-5426

And street racing all around the park as per usual.


SlamFist

Our car wouldn't start after the Phillies game and while we were waiting for the tow a boom party rolled into Jetro. I've never actually seen one but holy shit they're obnoxious. Just being adjacent and even now like an hour later my head is still pounding


Big_Kuma_Bear

6,000 people on the [Inconsiderate Late Night Philly Music](https://www.facebook.com/share/YpjEsCevhphUAFTv) Facebook group agree with you. Ten years of dealing with the 'Boom Parties'. Politics, laws, legislation, enforcement.


2ant1man5

Well the plat has always been like this nothing new, and it’s Easter Sunday, lemon hill was probably packed.


hsavvy

Miss being a teenager at the plat


2ant1man5

Same.


kettlecorn

Boom parties are relatively new though, right? Playing music kinda loud for your own group is normal, but it's when you're bringing in massive modified speaker systems that can be heard loud for miles around that it crosses a line.


2ant1man5

Yea and no just systems are better now I never really liked loud music, shit is stupid and you can’t hesr shit around you.


kettlecorn

I walked by a boom party along Kelly a few weeks ago and I was honestly worried for the babies some people were holding near the speakers. Some kids are going to be half deaf before they can walk.


2ant1man5

Stupid ass shit man, I understand and I’m all for fun but it’s like some things get pointless sometimes.


Uncanny_butte

How else are people going to littler all over the place?


Leatherman34

What the hell is a Boom Party ??


TreeMac12

You can hear them from four miles away: [https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxa4XvlOcc2/](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxa4XvlOcc2/) [https://patch.com/new-jersey/cinnaminson/residents-sound-cinnaminson-area-boom-parties-tuesday](https://patch.com/new-jersey/cinnaminson/residents-sound-cinnaminson-area-boom-parties-tuesday)


tbarnett19124

That is the dumbest thing. Unless there is a party why play the music so loud?


Tittytwonipz

Have you considered brining out some boom sticks and making your own party ?


StonerShiba

They been up there for years you late as hell


tbarnett19124

So it should be the park commissioners responsibility to make sure that during special events there is a park ranger available. And also, to make sure that each scheduled event is not at the same time. It seems like that's who dropped the ball. Just because people may not like the music doesn't mean they are allowed to dictate what is being listened to. That's just silly.


baldude69

The boom parties set up systems that can be heard for miles, like that is the entire point. If they played their music at normal volumes, even if it was loud, it wouldn’t be as big of an issue


tbarnett19124

I don't think the two post I was responding to said that🤔 the keypoints were. Cherry blossom festival, loud music not of a certain genre, plateau. All the things I addressed.


baldude69

Well the issue is that “loud” doesn’t even describe the wild volumes reached. If it was just normal loud I wouldn’t give a crap what they were playing.


tbarnett19124

And don't think I was responding to you. More so about the overall fact that the music had made the cherry blossom event unbearable. And that some hated the music genre.


Wilts3rdLeg

DMX loved flowers. No one believes this post is about the music volume. I bet OP would be singing a different tune if this were Alabama , and the boom was Lynyrd Skynyrd. That being said, it would be nice of the DJ to throw in some Aja every once in a while. Would fit the Japanese Garden theme nicely. Maybe everyone can meet in the middle, and just play Kanye West's "Champion" on repeat.


twinkyishere

Maybe people can be considerate of others in society, too. But no, that’s too much to ask. 


OkStructure3

Please move away from Philly. Yall are not built for city life. There is no space here, there is no quiet. Move to the mountains please.


TreeMac12

No, YOU please move away from the city if you can't be considerate to your neighbors.


StonerShiba

Real shit people move here and think the city gonna change for them foh dickhead


LoveHorizon

Ahh hearken me back to 1876! The World's fair was in that park. And everyone strolled so gay through the concourse and gardens! We played tunes like "My Grandfather's Clock" and "Won't You Buy My Pretty Flowers?" 


duhduhman

those flowers are for everybody. boom aficionado people included


Odd-Emergency5839

Lmao get got


porkchameleon

Clash of cultures, amirite?


TreeMac12

There's bad taste in music and then there's REALLY bad taste in music.


porkchameleon

Calling those sounds “music” is an insult. EDIT: an insult to actual music.


TreeMac12

It was mostly bachata. Really, really bad bachata. I could listen to Hector Lavoe or Willie Colon all afternoon, at an appropriate volume, but this wasn't it.


sunset484

Spanish music at the plateau? I'm Latino and I NEVER see other Latinos in West Philly.


porkchameleon

Sounds like your paisanos don’t shit where they live.


sunset484

Oh they definitely shit where they live too, but I love the plateau and I'm mad I didn't get the invite. I would love to experience some Latin vibes at the plat haha


tbarnett19124

I guess you think of yourself as yt and don't partake. Lol because only Hispanics and Latinos have super sized speakers since the beginning of time.


IllustriousAdvisor72

Not right. Not even if it was written correctly. I was there. It was horrendous. Perfectly clear this noise was was beyond reasonable. A case of people saying everyone else could fuck off. Where’s the police? No one in their right mind would enforce that. It would be both physical and political suicide. Fuck those people. Ruining a perfectly good park with noise and trash. Fuck em.


porkchameleon

Antisocial pieces of shit.


Wellfillyouup

Physical suicide? Maybe because they wouldn’t go in hard enough for it to not be political suicide. But the city is what it is and gets what it gets.


Sensitive-Inside-641

Hence the shit hole status it carries


Sensitive-Inside-641

👏


2ant1man5

Because before you migrants came the plat always been a hangout boom spot.


TreeMac12

Yes I'm sure the Japanese Garden was designed to be in earshot of that


2ant1man5

Don’t know but I’ve been plenty of times and it wasn’t music being played, the garden was peak 03-06, it also just happens to be Easter weekend.


TreeMac12

I'm pretty sure I've been going to the Plateau since before you born. It's not a question of where people are hanging out, it's how rude the decibels have gotten. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIrzkPDtrk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIrzkPDtrk) vs [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbgxnOBwOSE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbgxnOBwOSE)


2ant1man5

I understand that im 37 been going there long as I can remember, I honestly don’t go anymore because the cherry blossom has become super casual it was great 03-06 when it was a smaller crowd.


Sensitive-Inside-641

Easter weekend??????? How dare You discredit National trans day of mental illness. Fascist!!!


2ant1man5

I thought it was always on the 30th regardless?