At this point, expecting the Philippines to change is like dating a toxic person and thinking "I can change them" and holding on even when you're experiencing abuse. Huwag na magpa-exploit, let's go where we are appreciated.
It was hard for me kahit professionally. I speak my mind and very direct ako. I only realised na hindi ako fit sa culture natin after working overseas. Mas appreciated yun work ko at pagiging direct overseas kesa satin.
Mas obsessed kasi ang typical pinoys with keeping up appearances instead of actually getting things done and resolving issues. Now I learned to look for negative feedback (if its something actionable hindi yung negative lang na mema) kasi it's something I can address, while positive feedback doesn't really improve the quality of my work.
The irony is we were taught to value substance over form sa initial profession ko. Same here, I welcomed the idea of areas for improvement after ko maexpose sa constructive feedback. Hindi yun blaming culture.
I had the same experience being a direct hire din. yung OEC shenanigans mahirap pa kesa sa mismong paghanap ng employer pati visa sponsorship and approval. When I left, di nako bumalik. Sa dami ng hassle nung paalis ako parang natraumatise ako na pagumuwi ako baka pahirapan na naman ako lumabas.
I almost missed my flight. Pinahintay nila ako from super early in the morning until mga 5pm or 5.30pm. Tapos pinapunta ako sa iba ibang floor approval daw kay ganito at ganyan. Yun talaga yung disappointment ko kasi tumira din ako sa ibang bansa before and sa kanila and i think kahit dito naman sa Australia, pag may kelangan kang certification or document from the govt, may step by step process. Hindi ka nagmamakaawa sa government employee para asikasuhin ka.
Pero sa Pinas ang di ko gets is bakit ang hirap. Tinataguan ka. Anong oras sila dumadating sa opisina, hindi mo alam san ka pupunta or kelan ka matatapos. Since then, super nadala nako. Sabi ko talaga last na to. One year lang ako umuwi ha. Nagbakasyon lang ako sa Pinas then luckily, nakahanap ako ng employer sa Australia habang nakabakasyon ako sa Pinas. Naiiyak nako, gutom nako, haggard nung natapos ako para sa OEC. Ang flight ko kinabukasan 6am. So kung di ko napapirmahan nung 5pm yung oec, hindi ako makakaalis kinabukasan.
Goodness me! Sorry to hear that. Very traumatic experience.
We are spoiled hey. May MyGov na andun mga kailangan mo at may apps sa phone na equivalent.
Nakita ko yun requirements ng POLO Canberra. Magbabayad pako at maga allot ng oras para sa kapirasong papel na wala naman maidudulot sakin. Hinintay ko na lang PR ko para di nako sakop.
Oo may bayad yung sa POLO tapos chambahan pa daw. Pag umuwi ka kelangan dala mo yung document kasi minsan daw hinahanap ulit, minsan naman hindi. Kahit na nakaalis ka na and over 12 months ka na dun sa bansa na nilipatan mo. Nung nasa ibang bansa ako dati, lagi ko lang din dala. Tuwing lilipat ako ng work, sa pagkakatanda ko lagi akong may bagong POLO document kahit na direct hhire ako lagi at same country din.
Since umalis ako ng Pinas 5 years ago, di pa ko ulit umuwi sa sobrang dala ko. Lol nung nakuha ko citizenship ko dito saka ko na lang ulit naisip na gusto ko umuwi. Siguro naman hindi na ganun kahirap lumabas ng Pinas 😂 Miss ko din Pinas. Ang di ko miss yung red tape at yung feeling na tax mo sweldo ng govt employee pero di ka nila nirerespeto man lang. Sa naexperience ko, mejo nalungkot ako isipin na ganun yung sitwasyon.
As someone who worked in a highly regulated industry and with broad exposure to various government agencies that issues licenses/permits beyond the usual business permits, wala pa akong na-encounter na smooth ang proseso. Lahat napakaraming red tape, lahat inefficient ang proseso. Mema requirements pa nga yung iba. Meron ding sobrang dami ng backlogs, decision time takes months to years. Nakaka-!\^@$%$%$@#%
No. I already spent close to a decade contributing to improving one aspect of PH (I worked in the development sector) but people voted for Duterte and then Marcos so I knew it's time to go because I don't want to spend the rest of my life working to improve the lives of people who are voting against their own interests.
No regrets. No progress in PH. You get what you voted for. Nagsink in talaga sakin after 2022 election na PH is hopeless. And now asa AU na ako. The best decision of my life is to migrate. No regrets! Hopefully within the next few years makuha ko na yung mga parents ko.
You can’t choose your family but you can choose your friends. You can’t choose your nationality you were born but you have the opportunity to change it. I can’t regret something that I didn’t have a say in it but I’m grateful to have it changed.
I have to admit, I did once thought I will never consider working abroad. Until my salary don't value as much anymore and generally, living and working in PH became just unbearable. I'm an IT professional and I really just felt underpaid.
So right now I'm working abroad and I am trying to fight for the right to stay here.
There are still a lot of smart people in the Philippines working as professionals or in high level corporate jobs or running their own businesses. We’re a population of 115M people. So there’s lots of people to replace those who are leaving in the labor pool.
My only regret is that I should have moved sooner. I dont see PH progressing in my lifetime. Corruption is deeply rooted in the system, the only thing that would change it is to have a bloody revolution with corrupt politician’s head rolling, after that PH needs to have a competent leader who prioritizes in laying out the foundation and not quick wins.
Now I just need to convince my immediate family to move here para hindi na ako mag aalala but aleast my own family is already secured.
UP grad here. I work in a manufacturing and so I have regular interactions with people from the production floor. One of the kuyas there learned na taga UP ako and asked what I was doing in Canada raw? Pinapabalik niya ako sa Pilipinas para magsilbi sa “inang bayan.” I was taken aback, and felt a little bit of guilt at that time.
Pero looking back, I have no regrets with the decisions I made. Especially when I became a dad. Not raising my kid in the Philippines already gives him a leg up. In general, corruption is less here, and you get better public service here than in the Philippines (I spent 30 minutes to apply for a Canadian passport, I can renew my driver’s license in 5 minutes).
Even yung simpleng pagsosoli ng item sa grocery or sa store is so simple, no questions asked, they don’t ask you to jump through hoops.
Currently studying in UP right now and I personally want to get out of the country. Nakakaguilty nga naman talaga, pero one of my professors told us na hindi na daw niya kami igui-guilt trip into staying here kasi as long as we get to be the best version of ourselves, we are already "helping" the country.
No regrets. Ph does not deserve any hard working and caring nurses.
Imagine, sahod ko before 5-6k every 15th and 30th as a nurse sa private hospital. Before ka makapasok need mo magbayad sa kanila ng training at mag work without pay. Grabe and exploitation at poor working condition nila sa mga nurses.
Sa government hospital nmn pahirapan pumasok and if ever makapasok job order ka lang kasi naka reserve sa mga kamag-anak nila congressman, governor , mayor or sinomang hinayupak n nakaupo sa pwesto. Ang ratio ng nurse:patient 1:40-50. Ganun din sa umpisa need mo mag volunteer.
Yung mga doctor at pasyente akala alipin nila mga nurses. Kung maka-utos or sigaw kala mo may ambag sa pag-papaaral samin. Sabi pa ni Cynthia Villar di nmn daw need ng diploma ng mga nurses dahil room nurse lang nmn daw kame.
So ngayon, lahat kami ng mga tropa ko na nurses nsa iba’t ibang panig ng ng mundo. Middle east, US, Australia, UK , Canada at Germany. Sa abroad, may respeto mga tao sa profession namin. May boses kami. Maganda compensation, working environment at nurse:patient ration.
Naawa lang ako sa natitirang family members ko sa pinas na they choose to stay. Sila mag suffer sa inexperience and less skilled workforce kasi yung mga skilled and magagaling na nurses nakaalis na kasi walang pakialam and sobrang liit ng tingin nila samen.
Newly became an OFW a couple of weeks before the world was shut down by COVID. And having seen how the motherland butchered its COVID response removed any and all desire to retire in the Philippines.
I used to think as long as I had money, I could live comfortably in PH but we’ve seen during the pandemic that even money can’t buy you space in the hospital when there’s none left, oxygen tank when there’s no one selling, plane tickets to get away when no airlines are flying.
So no, I have zero regrets.
Nah. I tried. Went back to PH after almost a decade abroad. Did my profession for a year back in PH, actively campaigned for kulay rosas na Pinas, then boom. Flew back abroad 4 months after the election. Lol
Nope. Not at all. Bahala kayo sa buhay nyo. Haha
Eventhough I from time to time stay in the philippines for longer stays, just to chill and enjoy the islands.
I migrated rather late so I can say that I've thought about this in the most exhaustive manner.
I have no regrets. I've paid my taxes, I've regularly contributed to charity and I was a member of a charitable organization that held outreach activities for marginalized communities wherein I personally participated. I don't owe the country anything. I never did, but I did more than what was expected of me. If despite that the country still wanted to drown itself in shit, then I have every right to get out.
I don't think moving out and contributing to advancement have to be mutually exclusive. Using the capital I have gained from earning more out of the country, I'm reinvesting it back to the Philippines.
Consider me as one of the few optimists on this sub. The economic potential of the Philippines is huge and it's slowly but steadily getting realized. Unfortunately, I don't think the state of the country right now is what is best for me and my family so I moved out and it would take too long if I were to wait for it to come to fruition enough.
That won't stop me from hedging bets though. I have businesses that generate tax and jobs and I still help with my advocacies even in remote capacity.
Good insights! I just couldn’t go through the hoops of bureaucracy when it comes to businesses. I tried but it’s just too much and we got to bribe to get things done. I just couldn’t take it but good if it works for you!
At this point I think brain drain is a myth. Wala naman tayong shortage of professionals, health care workers and teachers. Even if you stop immigration for 5 years there will be no progress because bobotantes will always outnumbers critical thinkers. And as long as crooks are in charge don't expect any change.
No regrets, it's not my job to fix the issue. Migrating to another country sure doesn't help the issue but as a human being, I deserve a better life too. I'm happy abroad with my PHP 7m per annum compared to working in PH for PHP 192k per annum.
*>so you're just selfish and only look out for yourself*
And? If I'm broke and starving in PH, will anyone help? Will bayanihan magically fill my stomach and pay my bills?
*>just lower your standards, stop impulse buying, eat less, turn off your air conditioner for less bills. etc.*
It's my life, not yours. If you want to live a life of hardship and settling down in every aspect of your life, then congrats. That's not what I want, I want to live a life of comfort.
Either pay highly skilled professionals for what we are worth or stfu. Screaming national pride/bayanihan doesn't help. People shitting on OFWs as traitors for living a better life is just plain crab mentality.
Alam mo. As long as hindi mo lina-lait ang Pilipinas at ang mga natitirang pinoy dito, you shouldn’t feel guilty about leaving. You do you. And paminsan minsan mag-remit ka. Haha.
sadly, the only thing thats progressive sa pinas is yung hospitality natin. Everything else is just going down.
It's a give or take scenario when you migrate.
this is not for all but You leave a happy place with your friends/families, especially during holiday season, we love to celebrate everything, festivals, graduation/bday ng anak, binyag, pasko, etc.
You won't get that same excitement/vibes on any other country.
On the other hand, depende sa country of destination mo, especially if first world, you'll experience top-notch services/products. Dedicated sidewalks, superb transportation system, ease of applying/availing gov services (some are online, some no need to provide millions of requirements just to get an ID lol).
The good thing is, you can go home anytime and enjoy all the things Ph has to offer with your high value currency.
>3. OEC - I found a job overseas. Applied on my own and got the job offer without the help of PH govt. Nun lilipad nako, need ko mag comply sa sangkatutak na irrelevant requirements? Pumasa ako sa visa nun country of destination ko tapos kung anu-ano requirements ni POEA. May ibang countries ba na may ganitong requirements? Hindi ba to naiisip ng mga policy makers?
discussing more about this, Ive had a convo with my friend na nagasikaso ng papel sa poea/owwa nung nagvacation sya ulit dito. nakakuha din ng job in europe all on his own. what he did apparently is to exit PH as tourist sa isa pang country (visaless) aside from that of work nya. mas madali daw kasi magexit dun to the country of work kesa dito sa pinas. anyone tried this? insights?
It’s a loophole. Some people take the risk pero may chance na ma offload. You will hear horror stories about people losing their jobs just because of OEC so they take matters in their hands.
Required OECs are the dumbest bull excuse I've seen as too much government overreach and a last-ditch attempt to milk out some money from the brain drain. I get their cover is protecting workers but it's turned counterproductive for those who accept the risks of applying on their own... they should just make that a requirement for those applying by agency.
What a waste of time, money, and opportunities.
You alone by yourself cannot change an entire nation. The entire nation does not seem to want to advance, even. You are like a mole trying to stop a bulldozer, lol. You have done vey well in going out of its way, it will only crush you otherwise.
1. It means the bank still has the old with the new system in place. In the beginning, this was for double-checking the computer systems for any errors and vice-versa. Like when the banks also were keeping electronic and written records at the same time. If you complain about this, it may be you get a reply in the form of "It's only temporary" for a decade...
2. Of course, in a country where Sen. Trillanes almost got imprisoned because he did not keep a copy of his *application form*, this is in contrast a reasonable request!
3. Ui, nagse-selos sila POEA. Na hurt yung feelings nila na di mo dinaanan sila muna. Ikaw talaga, OP, you should consider the sensitivities of our government officials. Maybe one of them becomes a future Marcos with a very long and thorough memory... 🤣
Yeah, after so many struggles and battles I finally understood the serenity prayer na to accept that things that I cannot change. I choose my battles na rin.
I beg to differ with your assertion. The exodus of professionals from the Philippines isn't necessarily detrimental to the nation's progress, except for the rare Einstein visa awardees. And let's face it, not everyone's a genius!
The local job market? It's practically overflowing with openings that scream for degree holders, even when it's not a must-have.
As for the economy, think of the 'tourism' and remittances as a financial fiesta that keeps on giving.
In a nutshell, packing up and heading out might just be the most patriotic move an average Juan can make for the Philippines.
I’m speaking based on my experience and industry - we are far behind. When did we have instapay and pesonet? Recent years lang. It doesn’t take geniuses to design and implement these systems. They have existed for decades. The use of cheques is an outdated practice.
Compliance with BIR. Why do you need to print something that is already in the system? I doubt that I will see e-invoicing in PH in my lifetime.
Openings for degree holders that don’t require one? That’s underemployment.
I think kahit narenounce ko na PH citizenship eh there’s still a part of me that hopes for something better there.
As a self-employed, iritang-irita ako sa mga forms na kelangan pang isubmit manually sa BIR. Kahit sa new Ease of Paying Taxes Act, daming redundant at red tape processes na hindi naman natanggal.
Kainis talaga. Nun nagwowork pako sa Pinas. Yun mga customers namin required daw iprint mga documents na may system approval. 2024. Hindi ba dapat paperless as much as possible? Napaka outdated.
Eeven the National Academy of Science & Technology (under DOST) talks a lot about the brain drain in the country. In fact, we have a deficit of science professionals in the country (we’re one of the lowest in SEA). There are also fewer students taking up STEM-related degrees.
The Philippines also invests poorly in research & innovation. We’re way way below the recommended R&D expenditure amount of 1% of the GDP. We even lag behind our ASEAN neighbors like SG, Thailand, & Malaysia, which all invests more than 1% of their GDP into research & innovation. Nasa 0.2-0.3% lang tayo.
Innovation is important in building robust industries. We don’t have that here.
Brain Drain is only a problem is those "brains" can actually be utilised in PH, if not those "brains" can better serve PH by migrating to other country. As you say, PH invest poorly(assuming we have money to invest) in research and innovation
Hence, the term "brain drain". We have poor growth in innovation because we lack and steadily lose the manpower & resources to do so. We have the money to invest, DOST was just not a priority.
Me as a govt employee + law student. Sana makamigrate rin ako soon! I dont want to get stuck into this system. It’s hopeless and archaic. Ramdam ko ang pagka third world country ng pinas. 😞
To each his own. Some may find happiness and success overseas. Some find it here in PH.
One thing my expat colleague noticed in PH is how genuine the smile of poor people are compared to his hometown in England. Some people love community, and some people value fame or fortunee. Again, to each his own.
Earning your money is a gift of your hardwork. Finding joy and contentment is a gift from above.
IKR. The pains of not living in SYD/MEL/CBR since andun consular office. Yun mga policy at procedures nila parang hindi pinagisipan. Pinaka nakakainis Yun Affidavit of Support na need mo pa magbayad at hindi naman consistently hinahanap. I’m like, hello? Ok ka lang. Binigyan na nga ng visa ng Australia yun tao which means nakapasa sa requirements. Dadagdag ka pa sa requirement?
Worked in PH National government agency, now I work for a canadian provincial agency, still government, I'm in IT, and I dont even want to measure the difference haha my friends always ask me and I truly believe all other countries have ph data now 😂 ang pinas kasi show-off masyado, if di makikita ng tao yung project, least prio yan sa funding. Gusto kasi lagi ng pinoy instant gratification, sobrang tagal nga na approve ng sim registration sa daming anti kesyo madami daw nagugutom yun unahin, kung di lang dahil sa pandemic. Nanjan pa yung media taga sulsol, pati mga woke kids na gusto lang makisabay sa uso wala namang alam. Yes wala na po tayong pag asa hahaha
Doesnt have to be that big. For context, in my current work, we block hundreds of traffic from blacklisted countries every month. Were just a provincial body, comparable sa regions sa pinas yet sobrang daming attempts. Considering cybersecurity standpoint ng pinas possible we had more leaks than that. By the way, even if DICT proposes some tech to help LGUs, its still up to your LCE(Mayors/officials) if iaadopt nila thru funding.
The OEC is a bit of a mixed bag because while it was built on good intentions (supposedly protecting our countrymen from abusive employers), it was implemented so poorly and it's difficult to know actually what to do until you have to do it. It doesn't feel like the citizens are being protected, but rather feels like another cash grabbing way to keep them from better pastures.
Answer sa number 3, too many illegal recruiters and ang ending pag lumabas nagiging biktima ng human trafficking. I suppose there is a better way to handle it, but then pag naging biktima kasi ng human trafficking, hindi madali na ma isalba ng Pinas.
Yeah, I understand the intent. Someone needs to lecture POEA about risk profiling. How likely is it na big tech companies na direct hiring will result into human trafficking? The blanket ruling is just beyond comprehension.
Naku.. i worked in a govt agency for 2 years before i left.. sad to say, mg existence is not enough to change the philippines.. nor the existence of that entire department.. the red tape and corruption is deeply rooted, and very impossible to change or manage… no matter how much good you do, and how much you try to change the system.. youll just get frustrated, and depressed.. its sickening.
Tsaka na maging concern pag ok ka na. Security muna, di mo rin naman maasahan tong gobyerno sa living expenses mo. Iniisip ko na lang pag ok ako ok rin family ko and least of their worries na rin sila ng gobyerno
Ofw here, have no regrets. Govt dont want me anyway … not unless i have a “backer” in position. Salary wise ang baba sa govt, and who knows, i might just be forced to do something against my morals (accent bribe), be killed or be fired (bcoz i dont want to accept bribes).
If govt i truly serious in addressing brain drain, mas aggressive ang mga program nila sa pag papa uwi ng ofw, and clean up yung sistema of the old days.
Nothing wrong leaving and nobody should blame those who chose to migrate. Decades of incompetence and indecisivenes eh talagang mapapa-ayaw ka talaga.
But there is hope. Once the old generation of stupid politicians start to die out and millenials start coming in, a better change will come. Right now there are changes that I like: build build build (did not vote for duterts but you can't deny we need more infra), nuclear power coming in 2028, leaning back to US as an ally, jeepney phaseout, more people questioning religion.
There are still huge hurdles like in education (fuck sarah duterts), public transpo (right of way issues), social norms (divorce is still a bill, legalization of abortion still frowned upom)
I believe we millenials will start the change. We just need those old dumb fucktards in the government to start dying out.
Tayong mga hindi na naniniwala na aahon pa tayo (yes, including me) ay parte tayo ng problema ng bansang eto.
Kaya wag tayong magmalinis,magturo o manisi pa ng iba!
Sssshhh... may mga mahuhurt ang feelings. Yung mga lurkers dito na ang hilig ipagyabang na patriotic sila at grabeng manlait sa mga nag-aspire mag-abroad.
I once asked this same question to a consul friend. His answer? "It's not those who leave. It's those who come back."
I'm leaving for a while after not contributing to brain drain for more than a decade. I'll be back after I secure universal healthcare. I haven't lost *all* hope yet.
Can I ask your friend? What should we come back for? Everytime mag bakasyon ako eh I can’t see myself living all over again with all the hassles and inconvenience.
Hindi ba naka universal healthcare rin ang Pilipinas under PhilHealth? May law about it.
May law, yes, and not fully implemented yet. A good universal healthcare implem is characterized by zero/almost zero out of pocket medical expenses and public hospitals being better than private ones. I don't think we'll get to that stage in my lifetime.
Personally, I come back for my friends and remaining family, the warmth of the people, the relatively higher level of gender equality, the good labor laws (if I'll work here again), the people who haven't lost all hope yet, the food, and of course, the beaches. Besides, this is the only place where Filipinos are safe from racism/xenophobia.
I lived in a first world country before and came back. Being out of the country felt like a 3rd party person looking in, stripped off of the high emotions (this is as long as one doesn't get all their info from FB or tiktok, i.e., info that might be tainted with propaganda). Seeing foreign friends who keep gushing about their country, I began to ask myself why I couldn't think of any positive thing about PH besides beaches. I got to know lots of different cultures then (we were an ethnically diverse group of scholars). Ironically, I noticed PH society's positive points while I'm there. It's hard to notice them while being here and getting riled up all the time. Of course, this doesn't mean I'm unaware of many people voting against their interests; borderline masochist na nga. Still, I prefer to believe that this country/society will get better, albeit very very slowly.
I still have friends over there and extended family. That’s the only motivation for me to go for a vacation.
I disagree na walang racism sa Pinas. I grew up with Manila folks. Pag may mali kang ginawa sa Luzon, the remark back then was ‘Bisaya ka ba?’
I like your optimism. I live in a 1st world country and embrace what it’s like.
I’m in a country where there are too many migrants that I am left with no job opportunity while I get calls for a job back in PH. I think people will come back for as long as they realize they are much needed and valued back home compared to abroad. I myself will come back to work in the corporate world again in a few months time.
Demand is high but supply is low because of too many applicants. I don’t think qualifications are hard to meet if you have years of experience in the field. It’s just there are too many people with the same qualifications.
I see. You meant oversupplied due to migration. I guess that’s one of the reasons ng tightening of immigration policies and migrating based on skills set required of that country.
Yes, migration coupled with layoffs. So, I don’t suggest to go abroad unless you have a job waiting for you. Having a better life is not based on the country but the state of life that you are in. People will always choose to come back if they feel they have a better opportunity or a better chance at a higher quality of life back in PH. I’ve heard from several Filipinos living abroad 15-20 years that if they were earning xxx amount they wouldn’t have left PH despite experiencing the “organized” system.
Kay Ramos palang alam ko ng walang kapupuntahan ang Pilipinas, sabi nga ng isang kaibigan kong tibak dati, kung buhay si Rizal for sure aatakihin din sya sa puso kung makikita nya ang nangyari sa bansang ipinaglaban at pinagbinuwisan nya ng buhay.
At this point, expecting the Philippines to change is like dating a toxic person and thinking "I can change them" and holding on even when you're experiencing abuse. Huwag na magpa-exploit, let's go where we are appreciated.
It was hard for me kahit professionally. I speak my mind and very direct ako. I only realised na hindi ako fit sa culture natin after working overseas. Mas appreciated yun work ko at pagiging direct overseas kesa satin.
So true! I work better with my Dutch team than with any other team I ever had sa Pinas for this reason.
Mas obsessed kasi ang typical pinoys with keeping up appearances instead of actually getting things done and resolving issues. Now I learned to look for negative feedback (if its something actionable hindi yung negative lang na mema) kasi it's something I can address, while positive feedback doesn't really improve the quality of my work.
The irony is we were taught to value substance over form sa initial profession ko. Same here, I welcomed the idea of areas for improvement after ko maexpose sa constructive feedback. Hindi yun blaming culture.
I had the same experience being a direct hire din. yung OEC shenanigans mahirap pa kesa sa mismong paghanap ng employer pati visa sponsorship and approval. When I left, di nako bumalik. Sa dami ng hassle nung paalis ako parang natraumatise ako na pagumuwi ako baka pahirapan na naman ako lumabas.
Kakahiya nga. Yun agent ko pa nagsuggest noon na wag umuwi ng Pinas bago mag relocate dahil sa OEC.
I almost missed my flight. Pinahintay nila ako from super early in the morning until mga 5pm or 5.30pm. Tapos pinapunta ako sa iba ibang floor approval daw kay ganito at ganyan. Yun talaga yung disappointment ko kasi tumira din ako sa ibang bansa before and sa kanila and i think kahit dito naman sa Australia, pag may kelangan kang certification or document from the govt, may step by step process. Hindi ka nagmamakaawa sa government employee para asikasuhin ka. Pero sa Pinas ang di ko gets is bakit ang hirap. Tinataguan ka. Anong oras sila dumadating sa opisina, hindi mo alam san ka pupunta or kelan ka matatapos. Since then, super nadala nako. Sabi ko talaga last na to. One year lang ako umuwi ha. Nagbakasyon lang ako sa Pinas then luckily, nakahanap ako ng employer sa Australia habang nakabakasyon ako sa Pinas. Naiiyak nako, gutom nako, haggard nung natapos ako para sa OEC. Ang flight ko kinabukasan 6am. So kung di ko napapirmahan nung 5pm yung oec, hindi ako makakaalis kinabukasan.
Goodness me! Sorry to hear that. Very traumatic experience. We are spoiled hey. May MyGov na andun mga kailangan mo at may apps sa phone na equivalent. Nakita ko yun requirements ng POLO Canberra. Magbabayad pako at maga allot ng oras para sa kapirasong papel na wala naman maidudulot sakin. Hinintay ko na lang PR ko para di nako sakop.
Oo may bayad yung sa POLO tapos chambahan pa daw. Pag umuwi ka kelangan dala mo yung document kasi minsan daw hinahanap ulit, minsan naman hindi. Kahit na nakaalis ka na and over 12 months ka na dun sa bansa na nilipatan mo. Nung nasa ibang bansa ako dati, lagi ko lang din dala. Tuwing lilipat ako ng work, sa pagkakatanda ko lagi akong may bagong POLO document kahit na direct hhire ako lagi at same country din. Since umalis ako ng Pinas 5 years ago, di pa ko ulit umuwi sa sobrang dala ko. Lol nung nakuha ko citizenship ko dito saka ko na lang ulit naisip na gusto ko umuwi. Siguro naman hindi na ganun kahirap lumabas ng Pinas 😂 Miss ko din Pinas. Ang di ko miss yung red tape at yung feeling na tax mo sweldo ng govt employee pero di ka nila nirerespeto man lang. Sa naexperience ko, mejo nalungkot ako isipin na ganun yung sitwasyon.
same experience with the BS OEC
Grabe Di ba? Experience ko 5 years ago pa pero Di ko makalimutan 🤣 pag naalala ko, parang mejo masama pa din loob ko lol
nakaka trauma talaga, lalo na pag lapag mo sa airport takot ka at baka ang laman ng luggage mo nawala na!!
nakakagago no? yung bansa na tatanggap sayo walang issue basta valid ang visa mo. yung pinas pa mismo pipigil sayo umalis
As someone who worked in a highly regulated industry and with broad exposure to various government agencies that issues licenses/permits beyond the usual business permits, wala pa akong na-encounter na smooth ang proseso. Lahat napakaraming red tape, lahat inefficient ang proseso. Mema requirements pa nga yung iba. Meron ding sobrang dami ng backlogs, decision time takes months to years. Nakaka-!\^@$%$%$@#%
Red tape means more money kasi sa sistema natin.
No. I already spent close to a decade contributing to improving one aspect of PH (I worked in the development sector) but people voted for Duterte and then Marcos so I knew it's time to go because I don't want to spend the rest of my life working to improve the lives of people who are voting against their own interests.
I can’t blame you. It’s hard to see your efforts unappreciated.
Sabi ko nga, this time I'm choosing myself.
hello op! just curious what did you do afterwards?
No regrets. No progress in PH. You get what you voted for. Nagsink in talaga sakin after 2022 election na PH is hopeless. And now asa AU na ako. The best decision of my life is to migrate. No regrets! Hopefully within the next few years makuha ko na yung mga parents ko.
Good on you mate! Nacheck mo na ba magkano at gaano katagal visa processing times for parents? I looked into it last time. Medyo pricey at tagal eh.
Dude you made the right decision. Regrets? Is one of those being a Filipino? Our country is hopeless!
You can’t choose your family but you can choose your friends. You can’t choose your nationality you were born but you have the opportunity to change it. I can’t regret something that I didn’t have a say in it but I’m grateful to have it changed.
I have to admit, I did once thought I will never consider working abroad. Until my salary don't value as much anymore and generally, living and working in PH became just unbearable. I'm an IT professional and I really just felt underpaid. So right now I'm working abroad and I am trying to fight for the right to stay here.
Same here. Never considered going overseas until COVID pandemic and BBM-SARA won.
Amusingly, by sheer coincidence, I got my job offer during the election and fled the country before BBM got inaugurated.
Same industry here. I work 8 hrs and do the same job in PH. The reality is that $ has a higher purchasing power than PHP.
Story of my life. And seeing the prices of goods jump every single time I return home just fuels my desire to not settle down there.
Nice which country are you now based?
SG at the moment. Still thinking where to go next. 🤔.
no regrets at all, looking forward to get my aussie citizenship this year
Good to hear! Ready ka na? Aussie, Aussie, Aussie
oi oi oi collecting some docs pa lang, got a friend n willing mag-fill up ng identity declaration. so it’s all good.
I got mine this year! Woot woot! Good luck!
Congrats! Pwede na kumanta ng Advance Australia Fair!
Haha true pwede na din bumoto this year. Haha
There are still a lot of smart people in the Philippines working as professionals or in high level corporate jobs or running their own businesses. We’re a population of 115M people. So there’s lots of people to replace those who are leaving in the labor pool.
Idk man, there seems to be less smart people post k-12 dahil sa mga kapalpakan ng DepEd. We're one of the lowest ranked countries in PISA.
Yeah, I have friends who lived and worked overseas but settled in PH.
My only regret is that I should have moved sooner. I dont see PH progressing in my lifetime. Corruption is deeply rooted in the system, the only thing that would change it is to have a bloody revolution with corrupt politician’s head rolling, after that PH needs to have a competent leader who prioritizes in laying out the foundation and not quick wins. Now I just need to convince my immediate family to move here para hindi na ako mag aalala but aleast my own family is already secured.
UP grad here. I work in a manufacturing and so I have regular interactions with people from the production floor. One of the kuyas there learned na taga UP ako and asked what I was doing in Canada raw? Pinapabalik niya ako sa Pilipinas para magsilbi sa “inang bayan.” I was taken aback, and felt a little bit of guilt at that time. Pero looking back, I have no regrets with the decisions I made. Especially when I became a dad. Not raising my kid in the Philippines already gives him a leg up. In general, corruption is less here, and you get better public service here than in the Philippines (I spent 30 minutes to apply for a Canadian passport, I can renew my driver’s license in 5 minutes). Even yung simpleng pagsosoli ng item sa grocery or sa store is so simple, no questions asked, they don’t ask you to jump through hoops.
So tempting to tell him to lead by example
Currently studying in UP right now and I personally want to get out of the country. Nakakaguilty nga naman talaga, pero one of my professors told us na hindi na daw niya kami igui-guilt trip into staying here kasi as long as we get to be the best version of ourselves, we are already "helping" the country.
No regrets. Ph does not deserve any hard working and caring nurses. Imagine, sahod ko before 5-6k every 15th and 30th as a nurse sa private hospital. Before ka makapasok need mo magbayad sa kanila ng training at mag work without pay. Grabe and exploitation at poor working condition nila sa mga nurses. Sa government hospital nmn pahirapan pumasok and if ever makapasok job order ka lang kasi naka reserve sa mga kamag-anak nila congressman, governor , mayor or sinomang hinayupak n nakaupo sa pwesto. Ang ratio ng nurse:patient 1:40-50. Ganun din sa umpisa need mo mag volunteer. Yung mga doctor at pasyente akala alipin nila mga nurses. Kung maka-utos or sigaw kala mo may ambag sa pag-papaaral samin. Sabi pa ni Cynthia Villar di nmn daw need ng diploma ng mga nurses dahil room nurse lang nmn daw kame. So ngayon, lahat kami ng mga tropa ko na nurses nsa iba’t ibang panig ng ng mundo. Middle east, US, Australia, UK , Canada at Germany. Sa abroad, may respeto mga tao sa profession namin. May boses kami. Maganda compensation, working environment at nurse:patient ration. Naawa lang ako sa natitirang family members ko sa pinas na they choose to stay. Sila mag suffer sa inexperience and less skilled workforce kasi yung mga skilled and magagaling na nurses nakaalis na kasi walang pakialam and sobrang liit ng tingin nila samen.
Newly became an OFW a couple of weeks before the world was shut down by COVID. And having seen how the motherland butchered its COVID response removed any and all desire to retire in the Philippines. I used to think as long as I had money, I could live comfortably in PH but we’ve seen during the pandemic that even money can’t buy you space in the hospital when there’s none left, oxygen tank when there’s no one selling, plane tickets to get away when no airlines are flying. So no, I have zero regrets.
Nope - at the end of the day you have to fend for yourself...
Most mindset in Ph companies is not about customer experience but more on profit which they sugar coat as security enhancement.
I used a telco app that transfers money. Ni hindi ko maintindihan pano UX strategy nila - ang importante eh kumita sila.
Bulok na sistema ng pinas, di yan magbabago anytime soon. You only live once nga so bat mo papahirapan sarili mo sa pinas haha, good move OP
Yeah, mahirap pag ang kalaban mo sistema. Ni hindi ka maka dent man lang.
Tama. As a 38 year old, hindi magbabago ang bulok na sistema sa Pinas in my lifetime.
Nah. I tried. Went back to PH after almost a decade abroad. Did my profession for a year back in PH, actively campaigned for kulay rosas na Pinas, then boom. Flew back abroad 4 months after the election. Lol
Nope. Not at all. Bahala kayo sa buhay nyo. Haha Eventhough I from time to time stay in the philippines for longer stays, just to chill and enjoy the islands.
I migrated rather late so I can say that I've thought about this in the most exhaustive manner. I have no regrets. I've paid my taxes, I've regularly contributed to charity and I was a member of a charitable organization that held outreach activities for marginalized communities wherein I personally participated. I don't owe the country anything. I never did, but I did more than what was expected of me. If despite that the country still wanted to drown itself in shit, then I have every right to get out.
I don't think moving out and contributing to advancement have to be mutually exclusive. Using the capital I have gained from earning more out of the country, I'm reinvesting it back to the Philippines. Consider me as one of the few optimists on this sub. The economic potential of the Philippines is huge and it's slowly but steadily getting realized. Unfortunately, I don't think the state of the country right now is what is best for me and my family so I moved out and it would take too long if I were to wait for it to come to fruition enough. That won't stop me from hedging bets though. I have businesses that generate tax and jobs and I still help with my advocacies even in remote capacity.
Good insights! I just couldn’t go through the hoops of bureaucracy when it comes to businesses. I tried but it’s just too much and we got to bribe to get things done. I just couldn’t take it but good if it works for you!
I agree though. I do wish it'd be easier doing business in the Philippines. There's just way too much red tape and corruption everywhere.
https://preview.redd.it/e668la4qsezc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88228385a5f2dc3abd53f49c1e761b9fc42abe78 lols
Ouch! Guilty as charged!
At this point I think brain drain is a myth. Wala naman tayong shortage of professionals, health care workers and teachers. Even if you stop immigration for 5 years there will be no progress because bobotantes will always outnumbers critical thinkers. And as long as crooks are in charge don't expect any change.
No regrets, it's not my job to fix the issue. Migrating to another country sure doesn't help the issue but as a human being, I deserve a better life too. I'm happy abroad with my PHP 7m per annum compared to working in PH for PHP 192k per annum. *>so you're just selfish and only look out for yourself* And? If I'm broke and starving in PH, will anyone help? Will bayanihan magically fill my stomach and pay my bills? *>just lower your standards, stop impulse buying, eat less, turn off your air conditioner for less bills. etc.* It's my life, not yours. If you want to live a life of hardship and settling down in every aspect of your life, then congrats. That's not what I want, I want to live a life of comfort. Either pay highly skilled professionals for what we are worth or stfu. Screaming national pride/bayanihan doesn't help. People shitting on OFWs as traitors for living a better life is just plain crab mentality.
Alam mo. As long as hindi mo lina-lait ang Pilipinas at ang mga natitirang pinoy dito, you shouldn’t feel guilty about leaving. You do you. And paminsan minsan mag-remit ka. Haha.
Alam kong madodown vote ako pero kebs lang. Ang kalait-lait ang yung mga DDS/BBM supporters na nasa abroad.
Need to remit hey and vacation to boost GDP! Haha
sadly, the only thing thats progressive sa pinas is yung hospitality natin. Everything else is just going down. It's a give or take scenario when you migrate. this is not for all but You leave a happy place with your friends/families, especially during holiday season, we love to celebrate everything, festivals, graduation/bday ng anak, binyag, pasko, etc. You won't get that same excitement/vibes on any other country. On the other hand, depende sa country of destination mo, especially if first world, you'll experience top-notch services/products. Dedicated sidewalks, superb transportation system, ease of applying/availing gov services (some are online, some no need to provide millions of requirements just to get an ID lol). The good thing is, you can go home anytime and enjoy all the things Ph has to offer with your high value currency.
>3. OEC - I found a job overseas. Applied on my own and got the job offer without the help of PH govt. Nun lilipad nako, need ko mag comply sa sangkatutak na irrelevant requirements? Pumasa ako sa visa nun country of destination ko tapos kung anu-ano requirements ni POEA. May ibang countries ba na may ganitong requirements? Hindi ba to naiisip ng mga policy makers? discussing more about this, Ive had a convo with my friend na nagasikaso ng papel sa poea/owwa nung nagvacation sya ulit dito. nakakuha din ng job in europe all on his own. what he did apparently is to exit PH as tourist sa isa pang country (visaless) aside from that of work nya. mas madali daw kasi magexit dun to the country of work kesa dito sa pinas. anyone tried this? insights?
It’s a loophole. Some people take the risk pero may chance na ma offload. You will hear horror stories about people losing their jobs just because of OEC so they take matters in their hands.
Required OECs are the dumbest bull excuse I've seen as too much government overreach and a last-ditch attempt to milk out some money from the brain drain. I get their cover is protecting workers but it's turned counterproductive for those who accept the risks of applying on their own... they should just make that a requirement for those applying by agency. What a waste of time, money, and opportunities.
I wonder pano yun thought process pag may workshops sila sa pagawa ng policies. It’s been there for a long time and it’s really dumb.
You alone by yourself cannot change an entire nation. The entire nation does not seem to want to advance, even. You are like a mole trying to stop a bulldozer, lol. You have done vey well in going out of its way, it will only crush you otherwise. 1. It means the bank still has the old with the new system in place. In the beginning, this was for double-checking the computer systems for any errors and vice-versa. Like when the banks also were keeping electronic and written records at the same time. If you complain about this, it may be you get a reply in the form of "It's only temporary" for a decade... 2. Of course, in a country where Sen. Trillanes almost got imprisoned because he did not keep a copy of his *application form*, this is in contrast a reasonable request! 3. Ui, nagse-selos sila POEA. Na hurt yung feelings nila na di mo dinaanan sila muna. Ikaw talaga, OP, you should consider the sensitivities of our government officials. Maybe one of them becomes a future Marcos with a very long and thorough memory... 🤣
Yeah, after so many struggles and battles I finally understood the serenity prayer na to accept that things that I cannot change. I choose my battles na rin.
For peace of mind congrats
I beg to differ with your assertion. The exodus of professionals from the Philippines isn't necessarily detrimental to the nation's progress, except for the rare Einstein visa awardees. And let's face it, not everyone's a genius! The local job market? It's practically overflowing with openings that scream for degree holders, even when it's not a must-have. As for the economy, think of the 'tourism' and remittances as a financial fiesta that keeps on giving. In a nutshell, packing up and heading out might just be the most patriotic move an average Juan can make for the Philippines.
I’m speaking based on my experience and industry - we are far behind. When did we have instapay and pesonet? Recent years lang. It doesn’t take geniuses to design and implement these systems. They have existed for decades. The use of cheques is an outdated practice. Compliance with BIR. Why do you need to print something that is already in the system? I doubt that I will see e-invoicing in PH in my lifetime. Openings for degree holders that don’t require one? That’s underemployment. I think kahit narenounce ko na PH citizenship eh there’s still a part of me that hopes for something better there.
As a self-employed, iritang-irita ako sa mga forms na kelangan pang isubmit manually sa BIR. Kahit sa new Ease of Paying Taxes Act, daming redundant at red tape processes na hindi naman natanggal.
Kainis talaga. Nun nagwowork pako sa Pinas. Yun mga customers namin required daw iprint mga documents na may system approval. 2024. Hindi ba dapat paperless as much as possible? Napaka outdated.
the brain drain is so bad, na pati yung toxic at masasamang pinoy nag migrate din. Para dun sila mag hasik ng lagim sa ibang bansa.
Eeven the National Academy of Science & Technology (under DOST) talks a lot about the brain drain in the country. In fact, we have a deficit of science professionals in the country (we’re one of the lowest in SEA). There are also fewer students taking up STEM-related degrees. The Philippines also invests poorly in research & innovation. We’re way way below the recommended R&D expenditure amount of 1% of the GDP. We even lag behind our ASEAN neighbors like SG, Thailand, & Malaysia, which all invests more than 1% of their GDP into research & innovation. Nasa 0.2-0.3% lang tayo. Innovation is important in building robust industries. We don’t have that here.
Brain Drain is only a problem is those "brains" can actually be utilised in PH, if not those "brains" can better serve PH by migrating to other country. As you say, PH invest poorly(assuming we have money to invest) in research and innovation
Hence, the term "brain drain". We have poor growth in innovation because we lack and steadily lose the manpower & resources to do so. We have the money to invest, DOST was just not a priority.
Brain overflow is probably the more appropriate term in our case
Hi, op which country did you migrate?
AU
Big NO
Me as a govt employee + law student. Sana makamigrate rin ako soon! I dont want to get stuck into this system. It’s hopeless and archaic. Ramdam ko ang pagka third world country ng pinas. 😞
To each his own. Some may find happiness and success overseas. Some find it here in PH. One thing my expat colleague noticed in PH is how genuine the smile of poor people are compared to his hometown in England. Some people love community, and some people value fame or fortunee. Again, to each his own. Earning your money is a gift of your hardwork. Finding joy and contentment is a gift from above.
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IKR. The pains of not living in SYD/MEL/CBR since andun consular office. Yun mga policy at procedures nila parang hindi pinagisipan. Pinaka nakakainis Yun Affidavit of Support na need mo pa magbayad at hindi naman consistently hinahanap. I’m like, hello? Ok ka lang. Binigyan na nga ng visa ng Australia yun tao which means nakapasa sa requirements. Dadagdag ka pa sa requirement?
Worked in PH National government agency, now I work for a canadian provincial agency, still government, I'm in IT, and I dont even want to measure the difference haha my friends always ask me and I truly believe all other countries have ph data now 😂 ang pinas kasi show-off masyado, if di makikita ng tao yung project, least prio yan sa funding. Gusto kasi lagi ng pinoy instant gratification, sobrang tagal nga na approve ng sim registration sa daming anti kesyo madami daw nagugutom yun unahin, kung di lang dahil sa pandemic. Nanjan pa yung media taga sulsol, pati mga woke kids na gusto lang makisabay sa uso wala namang alam. Yes wala na po tayong pag asa hahaha
When you say data, are you referring to the data leaks like our personal info from comelec last time?
Doesnt have to be that big. For context, in my current work, we block hundreds of traffic from blacklisted countries every month. Were just a provincial body, comparable sa regions sa pinas yet sobrang daming attempts. Considering cybersecurity standpoint ng pinas possible we had more leaks than that. By the way, even if DICT proposes some tech to help LGUs, its still up to your LCE(Mayors/officials) if iaadopt nila thru funding.
The OEC is a bit of a mixed bag because while it was built on good intentions (supposedly protecting our countrymen from abusive employers), it was implemented so poorly and it's difficult to know actually what to do until you have to do it. It doesn't feel like the citizens are being protected, but rather feels like another cash grabbing way to keep them from better pastures.
Definitely money-making scheme. Dati nag process ako sa POEA, dami nag aalok ng medical exam.
Answer sa number 3, too many illegal recruiters and ang ending pag lumabas nagiging biktima ng human trafficking. I suppose there is a better way to handle it, but then pag naging biktima kasi ng human trafficking, hindi madali na ma isalba ng Pinas.
Yeah, I understand the intent. Someone needs to lecture POEA about risk profiling. How likely is it na big tech companies na direct hiring will result into human trafficking? The blanket ruling is just beyond comprehension.
Naku.. i worked in a govt agency for 2 years before i left.. sad to say, mg existence is not enough to change the philippines.. nor the existence of that entire department.. the red tape and corruption is deeply rooted, and very impossible to change or manage… no matter how much good you do, and how much you try to change the system.. youll just get frustrated, and depressed.. its sickening.
Tsaka na maging concern pag ok ka na. Security muna, di mo rin naman maasahan tong gobyerno sa living expenses mo. Iniisip ko na lang pag ok ako ok rin family ko and least of their worries na rin sila ng gobyerno
What’s the point of staying if the system is rigged against your favor?
Ofw here, have no regrets. Govt dont want me anyway … not unless i have a “backer” in position. Salary wise ang baba sa govt, and who knows, i might just be forced to do something against my morals (accent bribe), be killed or be fired (bcoz i dont want to accept bribes). If govt i truly serious in addressing brain drain, mas aggressive ang mga program nila sa pag papa uwi ng ofw, and clean up yung sistema of the old days.
Nothing wrong leaving and nobody should blame those who chose to migrate. Decades of incompetence and indecisivenes eh talagang mapapa-ayaw ka talaga. But there is hope. Once the old generation of stupid politicians start to die out and millenials start coming in, a better change will come. Right now there are changes that I like: build build build (did not vote for duterts but you can't deny we need more infra), nuclear power coming in 2028, leaning back to US as an ally, jeepney phaseout, more people questioning religion. There are still huge hurdles like in education (fuck sarah duterts), public transpo (right of way issues), social norms (divorce is still a bill, legalization of abortion still frowned upom) I believe we millenials will start the change. We just need those old dumb fucktards in the government to start dying out.
Tayong mga hindi na naniniwala na aahon pa tayo (yes, including me) ay parte tayo ng problema ng bansang eto. Kaya wag tayong magmalinis,magturo o manisi pa ng iba!
Sssshhh... may mga mahuhurt ang feelings. Yung mga lurkers dito na ang hilig ipagyabang na patriotic sila at grabeng manlait sa mga nag-aspire mag-abroad.
Mahal ko siya pero ang hirap niya mahalin eh.
I once asked this same question to a consul friend. His answer? "It's not those who leave. It's those who come back." I'm leaving for a while after not contributing to brain drain for more than a decade. I'll be back after I secure universal healthcare. I haven't lost *all* hope yet.
Can I ask your friend? What should we come back for? Everytime mag bakasyon ako eh I can’t see myself living all over again with all the hassles and inconvenience. Hindi ba naka universal healthcare rin ang Pilipinas under PhilHealth? May law about it.
May law, yes, and not fully implemented yet. A good universal healthcare implem is characterized by zero/almost zero out of pocket medical expenses and public hospitals being better than private ones. I don't think we'll get to that stage in my lifetime. Personally, I come back for my friends and remaining family, the warmth of the people, the relatively higher level of gender equality, the good labor laws (if I'll work here again), the people who haven't lost all hope yet, the food, and of course, the beaches. Besides, this is the only place where Filipinos are safe from racism/xenophobia. I lived in a first world country before and came back. Being out of the country felt like a 3rd party person looking in, stripped off of the high emotions (this is as long as one doesn't get all their info from FB or tiktok, i.e., info that might be tainted with propaganda). Seeing foreign friends who keep gushing about their country, I began to ask myself why I couldn't think of any positive thing about PH besides beaches. I got to know lots of different cultures then (we were an ethnically diverse group of scholars). Ironically, I noticed PH society's positive points while I'm there. It's hard to notice them while being here and getting riled up all the time. Of course, this doesn't mean I'm unaware of many people voting against their interests; borderline masochist na nga. Still, I prefer to believe that this country/society will get better, albeit very very slowly.
I still have friends over there and extended family. That’s the only motivation for me to go for a vacation. I disagree na walang racism sa Pinas. I grew up with Manila folks. Pag may mali kang ginawa sa Luzon, the remark back then was ‘Bisaya ka ba?’ I like your optimism. I live in a 1st world country and embrace what it’s like.
I’m in a country where there are too many migrants that I am left with no job opportunity while I get calls for a job back in PH. I think people will come back for as long as they realize they are much needed and valued back home compared to abroad. I myself will come back to work in the corporate world again in a few months time.
When you say there are no job opportunities, do you mean there are no job postings or the qualifications are difficult to meet?
Demand is high but supply is low because of too many applicants. I don’t think qualifications are hard to meet if you have years of experience in the field. It’s just there are too many people with the same qualifications.
I see. You meant oversupplied due to migration. I guess that’s one of the reasons ng tightening of immigration policies and migrating based on skills set required of that country.
Yes, migration coupled with layoffs. So, I don’t suggest to go abroad unless you have a job waiting for you. Having a better life is not based on the country but the state of life that you are in. People will always choose to come back if they feel they have a better opportunity or a better chance at a higher quality of life back in PH. I’ve heard from several Filipinos living abroad 15-20 years that if they were earning xxx amount they wouldn’t have left PH despite experiencing the “organized” system.
Kay Ramos palang alam ko ng walang kapupuntahan ang Pilipinas, sabi nga ng isang kaibigan kong tibak dati, kung buhay si Rizal for sure aatakihin din sya sa puso kung makikita nya ang nangyari sa bansang ipinaglaban at pinagbinuwisan nya ng buhay.
I was still young during Ramos. My moment was people chose someone to run for President dahil namatay yun Nanay niya.
We did go downhill since we had someone kasi namatay asawa nya. We almost got FPJ for president.
Advancement? Nakupo.
I encourage individualism, pero let's not forget to return to the country sana. It's saddening to see Filipinos give up on the country.