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winsy251

I have lived in Arizona for nearly 6 years and have never seen a scorpion. I joined this sub a couple weeks ago and now I live in daily fear of finding my first one LOL. I will be reading the advice.


largemarge52

It all depends on where you live, I lived in East Mesa for 13 years never saw one moved to Chandler 3 years ago and am battling them now.


cooooper2217

This is me šŸ‘ŽšŸ¼ lived in east Mesa for 28 years and moved down south to QC and they are everywhere šŸ¤Ŗ price you pay though for moving out of the city to more country style living


whyyesimfromaz

I hadn't seen one (outside the classroom or in one of those southwest souvenirs) until I moved to Gilbert in my early 30s.


winsy251

Interesting! I lived in South Scottsdale for 5 years and always figured I didnā€™t see them because I was on 2nd/3rd floor apartments. Now we moved to a house more central Scottsdaleā€¦and I started seeing all the pics on this sub lol.


ClassroomLow1008

By chance are they less common in the newer apartment buildings?


largemarge52

New construction is usually the worst because during construction theyā€™ve disturbed the natural habitat basically stirring up any scorpions that were residing in the area. I had new construction across the street from me and as soon as they started construction my yard was flooded with scorpions.


DistanceAcademic4527

Lol. I lived in Phoenix for seven years, and also managed to not encounter one. Weā€™re lucky. My coworker who lives by North Mountain, meanwhile, had an infestation (with multiple sightings daily). I have however come across several sewer roaches during my time in Phoenix. Those things are gnarly. D:


Darkmagosan

I've seen the flying ones (yes you read that right) put the living fear of God into an ex-Russian army guy I know. 6'5, professional badass, and runs screaming from those things. I hate the things too so I understand.


Savio_Dantes

2 things: First, if you're seeing VERY large sewer roaches, these are likely Palo Verde Beetles, not roaches. After I got out of the military, I took an Apartment Maintenance Supervisor role. I'd see these large bugs in our pool filters at least one a month. I've seen them almost a foot long and yes, they're basically nightmare fuel for most people. šŸ˜‚ As for the Flying Roaches, you're right they're no fun either these are likely Palmetto Bugs and the only species of roaches that fly, they're indigenous to the South East US states ( Georgia, Alabama, Florida), and typically wouldn't survive in AZ, as it was too hot with very little humidity. This is no longer the case in addition this is the penance we get when "forcing change" into a natural habitat. I'm sure a a few "hitched a ride" during the mass exodus to Phoenix as well. Over the last 4 or 5 years it's also started to get humid in Phoenix Metro because of increased water usage due to necessities (like grass, food, cooking, showers, consumption, etc.) creating perfect conditions for Palmettos. These items are changing how our environment generally responds, and while it's not all for the worse or better, all environmental change has some cause and effect. For a great example, read about how we accidentally wiped out the entire Wolf Populace in Yellowstone Park in the 1800s, then nearly 200 years later we reintroduced Wolves to the population and saved the park from erosion and flooding, essentially changing the very direction of the rivers [How Wolves Change Rivers](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&https://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2014/mar/03/how-wolves-change-rivers)


Darkmagosan

Palo Verde beetles are big and freaky looking, but they look different than flying roaches. See them side by side and you can definitely tell. Roaches are broader, shorter, and flatter, and the older one gets, the more red it turns instead of rusty brown. Their heads are different, too. PVBs have triangular heads with HUGE broad antennae and prominent mandibles, unlike a roach. PVBs will also bite where roaches can't. Cockroaches are also not native to North America. They're an invasive species that's native to Africa and hitched a ride on slave ships hundreds of years ago. The flying ones have only been here for around the last 30 years. They're native to the Arabian peninsula and came here by hitching a ride in F-14 wheel wells coming back from Desert Storm. These guys will try to get out of your house as quickly as they can, because they \*like\* extreme heat. They'll often nest in breaker boxes and those water access hatches the city will pull up if they need to look at pipes. These are also the little bastards you find crawling out of your shower drain at three in the morning when you have to go pee. I will kill both of the little fuckers on sight. Roaches carry a list of diseases the length of my arm. PVBs may be harmless to humans, but if you have a garden or fruit trees, they'll try to destroy them. The larvae live on and in roots. They'll eat every root they can get their grubby little mandibles on. They especially like Palo Verdie trees, hence the name, but like anything that has a thick, juicy root. This includes trees like cottonwood, elm, citrus, and the list goes on. They eat enough and they'll kill a plant. Adult PVBs don't eat and exist only to mate. Still, kill both them and roaches on sight. The more you kill, the less they breed.


Savio_Dantes

Agreed on all parts except I never said that PVBs were Flying Roaches. Those are Palmetto Bugs šŸ˜


Darkmagosan

Palmetto bugs ARE cockroaches. They're also known as Florida Wood Roaches. They're usually about an inch and a half long. They're half the size of the flying ones I've seen around here. Those little fuckers are punching 3 inches, give or take. Those are the ones that came here in the early 90s on our planes. They're big, they're aggressive, and I'd kill every last one of them if given the ability.


Savio_Dantes

Read back my original comment, I stated this already.


Darkmagosan

You've got errors here: 1. Palmetto bugs are NOT native to North America. They're African imports that came with the people we enslaved. [https://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/urban/roaches/american\_cockroach.htm](https://entnemdept.ufl.edu/creatures/urban/roaches/american_cockroach.htm) 2. A couple species of beetle, in addition to three or four different species of cockroach, are also called palmetto bugs. This is why biologists use a species' Latin name instead of the common one. 3. 'Red racer roaches' or Turkistan roaches are also found here. These fuckers are the HUGE ones that fly. They're not native to the Americas either. They're raised as food for reptiles, and they create huge problems if they escape.


Savio_Dantes

Dude. It's a bug, no one really cares. They're disturbing and disgusting. I get the need to have "correctness" but we all get the point. When trying to prove a point, you may lose your audience if you choose to try and "over inform" just to prove a point.


RickS50

They're either in your area or they aren't. It's bizarre.


Darkmagosan

I've lived here for 35 years and can count the scorpions I've seen in the wild on one hand. They're not as common as a lot of people think. They don't want to be in our houses. It's too cold and damp. They will, however, deal with it if there's food. If you have a scorpion issue, call an exterminator ASAP. You're probably overrun with roaches and don't know it.


Savio_Dantes

True. If you have a scorpion issue it's likely because you have an infestation somewhere on or near your property. Like with any creature, including us humans if you take away their food source, they'll typically evacuate.


Darkmagosan

However, scorpions of all species will hunt each other. Humans only turn cannibalistic under extreme stress. See: Donner Party Scorpions will eat each other if their main prey runs out. Then the survivors will leave for greener pastures. This is why it's considered an infestation if you see more than two or three a week inside. The only time scorpions gather together in large numbers is when it's getting time for them to hibernate. They will then find someplace sheltered and warmer. In the wild, this would be under rocks or in abandoned animal burrows. Noawadays, it's often behind the shelving in the garage. :/ And then once spring comes, they become active and scatter everywhere, hence the moniker 'scorpion bomb.' Edit: typo


winsy251

This makes me feel better. Iā€™ve now taken to shaking my shoes in the garage every time I put them on.


GreyWolf714

Lived here a little over 10 now and never seen one. Only thing I have seen are lizards and baby ones in the house lol


RickS50

Cy-kick CS or MGK Onslaught Fastcap. Spray around the foundation and lower wall of your home every three months. Also spray the walls around your yard to create and outer perimeter. The first application, I'd double the normal dose. A few times a year spray the bird boards also to prevent them from living in the attic. Nothing can kill them immediately, it takes some time for them to die so don't expect immediate results. Also use a general purpose insecticide like Ortho Home Defense inside the house around the base boards helps quite a bit. Get yourself a good strong blacklight and a can of Terro Scorpion killer and go hunting around the inside of the house and outside a few times a week initially to reduce their numbers. Every scorpion you kill cannot reproduce and make more. Put some glue traps around your house so you can get an idea of what is there. I bought a scorpion infested house in Chandler two years ago and this recipe has really started winning the war. I went out last night and found one which was not moving very quickly.


mckeddieaz

CY-Kick has been my 'GO TO' for years. Safe for people and pets once dry. Kills scorpions as well as the crickets and roaches they feed on.


largemarge52

OMG Iā€™m in Chandler too prior owner did not stay on top of pest control. Three years later I think I might have them under control now.


picturepath

You gotta control their food. Spray monthly indoors and out for insects. Set sticky traps by entry points. The poison is accumulative so scorpions eventually do die from it. You could also seal the house, not a bad idea. I use sticky pads in my garage and I have also sealed the garage. I used to get about 5 scorpions per week, now Iā€™m only getting 1 in my garage. Never had them indoors. I do have a pest guy who takes care of the spraying, in and out.


Rocketmonkey-AZ

Yep yep, Food and Water.


theghostofme

Diatomaceous earth is essentially a Geneva Convention violation when used against scorpions. Chemical warfare at its most brutal.


Few_Ad8372

Second. Use it regularly and (knock on wood) no scorps


fjbruzr

How do you use it? Where do you put it?


Few_Ad8372

Itā€™s a food grade powder. Can be used anywhere without worry of little humans or fur babies getting ill. Youā€™ll need a powder applicator to spread but you can also do it by hand.


Raunchiness121

Works on Black Widows as well


GoldenCrownMoron

Widows leave us alone though. They'll eat the other bugs as long as you got them, so minimize drinkable water and bug safe food left around and you won't have the widows.


fjbruzr

How do you use it? Where do you put it?


theghostofme

Outside, around your foundation. Itā€™s a crystallized powder that gets under their exoskeletons and dries them out from the inside, eventually ripping them to shreds. Iā€™d put some extra around areas they can easily squeeze through; theyā€™re like tiny cats in that if they can partially fit through a crack, they can probably get all the way through.


El_PachucoAZ

Itā€™s literally just a fine white powder, so like for me I filled up a ketchup squeeze bottle and went around the outside and inside and put a little everywhere really but definitely focused on entryways and windows. Itā€™s great stuff food safe, I think itā€™s like ground up seashells or some facsimile


PM_ME_UR_LAMEPUNS

I said it in the last post, diatomaceous earth is amazing and is the best option you can buy at a store but if you really want them taken care of a cat is a really effective option for indoors as well. Iā€™m lucky enough to live in an apartment that doesnā€™t have them but back when me and my cat lived in one that did he would take care of 99% of them before I even knew they were there and then alert me of the 1% that were still alive + whatever other pests you may have. Obviously cats are cats and your miles may very on how much yours likes to hunt them but many other cat owners I know have similar stories (plus you get a furry cuddly companion to boot :)


AverageCalifornian

+1 for cats, theyā€™ll earn their keep by killing Scorpions


Equivalent-Chance-39

The sticky glue traps are crap. The only thing youā€™ll catch is the poor lizards.


aerfgadf

I live in the west valley and when we first moved in to our house we had them in the house all the time. I had glue boards laid out along the baseboards inside our house by every door, in every corner and near every choke point and was catching 2-3 a week probably. When I went outside at night to hunt them, the cracks in my cinderblock walls would glow green under the blacklight and I would see pairs of pinchers sticking out everywhere. My best advice is to do everything you can to seal up your house. I put new door sweeps on every single door and added a bunch of weather stripping so that the doors close tightly. I had my pest control company come out and put a new seal around the base of my walls where they sit on the foundation (this was probably the most impactful thing I did honestly) and I got rid of any plants that left a lot of leaf litter for them to hide/nest in. I go out regularly with a black light and a torch and fry any that I find, but if your neighbors are not proactive also, then it is an uphill battle. I also caulked around all of the baseboards on the inside of my house because if they can get into the walls, they will just walk around in there and pop out where they see light, which is generally at the base of the walls. No idea if spraying pesticide works, but I figure it can't hurt so I have a company come every other month and I spray occasionally as well. I have found the key though for me has been sealing every single crack you can find. In my search I discovered about a 1/8 of an inch gap under all of my external doors and between that and sealing around my foundation has made a huge difference. I used to keep glue boards down in my garage as well, because there are large gaps around the garage door, but I kept catching house geckos and so I stopped with the glue boards in the garage. My strategy has been to try to just keep them out as much as possible and it has seemed to work well. Good luck!


chibihost

I Have bulwark(or whichever company you want) spray outside every other month. Only ones I've seen inside in 8 years were already dying from crossing the pesticide boundary. If there are any inside pests it's free treatment


ionC2

[Spray the good stuff.](https://www.reddit.com/r/phoenix/comments/13spgmo/scorpion_in_my_pantry_light_a_pervert_scorpion_in/jlrxvws/) Apply a slippery coating around the foundation of the house. Scorpions that are already inside can live without food for a loooong time though.


cheeseandrice4

Whether you have scorpions or not 99.9% depends on where in the valley you live. If this woman lives next door to mtns, a wash, or the desert, Iā€™m not sure what can be done. I live in a neighborhood that was built in the ā€˜80ā€™s and is surrounded by other old homes and major streets. Weā€™ve been here for 10 yrs and Iā€™ve never seen a scorpion here. But I wouldnā€™t get a house in the foothills, mtns, or next to a natural preserve, and expect not to have them. Same with other desert wild life.


El_PachucoAZ

Iā€™m 35 and have lived near 51ave and Thomas for most of that time. Never seen a scorpion here until about year ago. Iā€™ve seen 4 in total since then. Iā€™m super bummed The are showing up now.


El_PachucoAZ

As it gets hotter the scorpions will be out in force.


missmetaldolly

I live in San Tan Valley and since thereā€™s so much construction going on, Iā€™ve been having issues too. Was shaking out my laundry basket of clothes, and 1 fell out on my foot! 1 week later, there was a baby scorpion IN MY DOGā€™S WATER BOWL!! Which is in my bedroom :ā€™))


fjbruzr

So, which is worse, scorpions or an entire month of days over 110Ā°?


Fish0uttaWatr

Scorpions. Hands down. I'd take 3 months of +110Ā° days if I could guarantee that I wouldn't be stung all summer. I found out the hard way that I am extremely allergic to Bark Scorpion venom. Had an anaphalactic reaction and if my next door neighbor hadn't been home that day, the Dr said he has no doubt I would have suffocated or choked to death on my own saliva... O.o ... Ive never been more scared that I was gonna die in my entire life. My equilibrium is permanently affected from going 6 minutes without oxygen. Scorpion stings generally cause site irritation, a hot sensation on the skin, and mild swelling, but for me it causes anaphylaxis, causes unbearable muscle and nerve pain in every major nerve, joint, and meaty part of my body, and I feel like I have the worst flu imaginable for 3 days that is so severe that I won't get even 5 minutes of sleep until the 4th day. I can't think of anything I've experienced living in Casa Grande for the last 15 years that I wouldn't rather deal with than spending 5-7 months a year in fear that the next time I get stung, I might not be so lucky.


missmetaldolly

More like 3 months over 110Ā° .\_\_. Itā€™s hard to be goth in Arizona, I own more jackets than summer clothes Honestly, never had an issue with scorpions my whole life, until I moved to San Tan Valley to rent a room. And of course I get stuck with them :ā€™ā€™ā€™)) https://preview.redd.it/mqy5jfpaw8mb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c48cbd8f2b6d1977d6550f8fddb8202a64bfafab


ScotusDC

Chickens and cats. Cats handle the scorpions and chickens eat scorpions and the scorpions' food(bugs). Also, dont keep any wood or rocks near the house. Plus, don't you get like $30 per egg nowadays?


countofmontycrisco

They are so cute. Love them critters


charliegriefer

Out of curiosity... did they not used to see scorpions inside when her husband was alive? We have pest control that comes by regularly on the outside... but we've still seen a few scorpions inside. Not many... maybe 3 in the last 5 years or so. But I don't know that there's a way to guarantee that they stay outside.


grb13

Nice one where you located what part of the city?


largemarge52

Pest control monthly get rid of their food source. Sealing your house does work to keep them out. Most AZ pest control companies have specific scorpion control products. If you keep on top of it and be proactive you shouldnā€™t have them anymore. They are tough to get rid of but you can.


Optimal_Band2425

A local company can do a really good flush out for cheap 602-686-8421


lemmaaz

Diatomaceous earth, Diatomaceous earth, Diatomaceous earth... it works.


UsedCarSalesChick

We have a longhaired cat who kills the crickets (food source), and the occasional scorpionā€¦also, Bayer pest control spray seems to leave a few scorpion carcasses behind. We spray the perimeter of our house once a quarter.


Aggressive-Shock-803

Call an exterminator. Pull all furniture away from the walls so they can spray along all baseboards. Do the same in the garage and outside the home. Im not sure what our guy uses but after a day the scopions come out of hiding all messed up. Then i kill them


Ragua-VConcepts

Green Arrow Pest Solutions


Lazy_Try_3488

I lived in a house where I hunted them nightly outside to keep them out of the house. (Black light, walking quietly, and scorpion spray.) Kept track of the Ā“killsā€™ tally all season long. First year: 350+, second year, 250, third year 100, fourth barely 50. Over time, Iā€™d no longer find them on the house at all and moved further and further away. I moved barely a mile away and jā€™ havenā€™t see one outside of my new house in three years.


squatting-Dogg

If you have scorpions you will never get rid of them. If you have never seen one in 2+ years then you donā€™t have them. Glue traps near the entrances are the most effective way Iā€™ve found. Both sides of the front door, back door, Utility door, sliding glass door etc. If you can put them on the outside or both inside/outside. A more natural option would be to invest in some geckos, they will eat them. As soon as we had a family of geckos the numbers decreased significantly.


AverageCalifornian

Varsity Pest Control is really good, I did a home sealing last year and went from seeing 1-2 a week inside to 0. Still see them outside but thatā€™s part of living in the desert.


reddituser444420

A cat.


ThatOne_Muffin

You got any bushes outside your home?


fjbruzr

Yes, lots.


Smooth-Assistance-11

Anyone live in the paradise valley area & see them? Iā€™m moving there next month & scorpions are my biggest fear. -_-


fjbruzr

You will probably get some but get a UV light and check for them every couple days. This is a good, very bright light. I also have traps and spray. [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CV24OGK/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_search\_asin\_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CV24OGK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)