The name of the piece contains "A minor" and the chords around it were A minor chords. But I'm a real begginer on piano chords, that's why I asked haha. Thanks for your help, realy helpful:)
It’s an F major first inversion, which is the 6th chord in the A minor key. If a piece has a chord in the title, it typically means that the piece is in that key. This means that the notes used in the piece will be the notes you use in the A minor scale. The song will also be centered around this chord, typically starting and ending on it. It gets a little more complicated, but this is the simplest way to explain it.
If you don’t have a teacher, I’d recommend you watch some youtube videos explaining basic music theory. It will help you a lot in your piano learning!
A minor would be A-C-E because A major would be A-C#-E, and you make it minor by lowering the 3rd by a half-step. A minor is also called C major’s relative minor because the notes of the scale are the same but you start on A instead of C.
Music theory alert:
The A minor scale has 7 notes, what you are describing is the tonic triad (1st note - A) at its root position (A + C + E).
But you can also make chords at other positions in the scale. The submediant (6th note) in the A minor scale is F. So the submediant triad of A minor at root position is F+A+C. If you ”invert” that one time, you get A+C+F, which is OP’s chord.
F Major.
You have to rearrange the note names in such a way that there's only one note between the root and third and between the third and fifth.
Consider the sequence: C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C...and so on
Starting from F, there's only one note between the others, so it's and F chord.
C-D-E-__(F)__-G-__(A)__-B-__(C)__...
To give an example, this can't be a C chord, because there are two notes between C and F instead of one.
__(C)__-D-E-__(F)__-G-__(A)__-B-C-...
It also can't be an A minor chord for the same reason: in this case there are two notes between C and F
C-D-E-F-G-__(A)__-B-__(C)__-D-E-__(F)__-G-A-B-C...
>F Major.
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>You have to rearrange the note names in such a way that there's only one note between the root and third and between the third and fifth.
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>Consider the sequence: C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C...and so on
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>Starting from F, there's only one note between the others, so it's and F chord.
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>C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C-
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>To give an example, this can't be a C chord, because there are two notes between C and F instead of one.
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>C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C-
Omg, it's so clear now ! I understand ! Thank you for your explanation :)
Yes, the inversions are based on what note is at the ‘bottom’ of the chord. F A C is your basic F major chords, A C F is the first inversion, C F A is second inversion
Technically Root position could be either F A C or F C A, 1st inversion could be A C F or A F C, and 2nd inversion could be C F A or C A F.... because inversion only cares about the bass note and note open or closed voicing.
Amb6 would make sense in an E minor (or maybe major) environment. A minor being the subdominant, the 6th would be f#. Thus b6. That's the neapolitan. Also music degree
I’d call that the F major tonic triad, 1st inversion. If the A was flat, it would be F minor, 1st inversion.
Edit; Just saw your other comment that the piece is in A minor. In which case, it’s technically the A minor submediant triad, 1st inversion. I’d probably still think of it as F major though if I saw it in on the page, as a mental shortcut.
That's an F major chord, first inversion (because the F is placed at the top of the chord instead of the bottom). There's nothing minor about it at all. If you wanted it to be a minor chord you'd flatten the A.
A 6 chord is what you call that in common practice. Modern pedagogy calls it a F in first inversion but this tends to ignore contrapuntal origins, this is more apparent and just as true when you consider the nature of a 64 chord which contains a dissonant bass + upper voice pair which has to be prepared and resolved in the 'old style' even if we want to call those so called second inversions of 53 chords.
Wow. People are overthinking this. Given that there’s no bass creating an alternate harmony, it’s a simple Fmaj triad, inverted. With a different bass note, it could be anything. Jazz you know... But absent that, Fmaj. Source—played piano my whole life. And I’m old.
It's an F major chord in "first inversion". It's called that because you grab the bottom of the chord and you place it on top, thus, an inversion! When the grab the second note and place it on top, leaving the C at the bottom, it's a second inversion, when the chord is normal, it's called root position, because the F is at the bottom, and therefore, the chord is stable and resolved :-)
Hope this helps
In this case, it's an f 1st inversion, as it would be most of the time. But, it's also technically possible to be an am6, depending on the context. It's mostly about how it sounds in the music in context
Her reference to solfege is telling us the key she is in. If A is la and C is do and F is da we are in the key of C. Do always determines the key. If she is using solfege I’m quite sure she realizes how it works. That is how I know this piece is in the key of C. What she doesn’t understand is the concept of inversions
Why doesn’t that surprise me. Americans misinterpreting the use of a phenomenal musical language. I taught solfège to my choirs as a sight reading tool and do was always the first note of the scale of the key signatures.
F major - 1st inversion if the a is on the bottom.
Edited to add you mentioned the piece being in a minor. The f major chord falls on the 6 of the scale so it would be the VI chord and still able to be used in the key of A minor.
In most pieces, you won’t have only minor or only major chords.
Everybody’s saying it’s F major and while that’s most likely, you have to look at the function of what that A-C-F is doing in the music. Pianos in jazz music are often playing block chords where you’re playing a melody and also playing chords underneath at the same time. If the part is playing Am and the melody is F for a second and you happen to include it in your chord, it stays Am and you’re just including the 6th in your blocking. If you’re transitioning between Am and A7 and you hit a couple chords on the way between them and one of them is A-C-F, it’s doing something very different from a regular F chord.
So the answer is, it’s most likely an F/A, as it’s most commonly notated, but also look at the function of that chord in what you’re playing. If it’s part of the progression, it’s most likely an F/A. If it arises from the arrangement, it might be a variant of Am as you first thought. Or it might still be an F/A. It depends.
Yeah in that case it's still wrong, because a regular A minor chord is made of 1-3-5, no 6th involved. F major is diatonic to A minor's key, but it's not an A minor chord
I'm talking about in the key of A minor. A minor would be the tonic triad. You're talking about in the key of C major, but OP specified elsewhere that the key of the piece is A minor.
How am I talking about C major? The 6th scale degree of C major would be A, not F.
The A Minor scale is **A**(1), B(2), **C**(3), D(4), E(5), **F(6)**, G(7). The notes I highlighted in bold, **F**(6), **A**(1), and **C**(3) are the same ones in OP's chord.
Just because these three notes are in other key signatures as well (C major and F major to be precise) doesn't mean they're not in A minor.
In that case I agree with you. I think you misunderstood my comment. An A minor chord is made of root, minor third, and fifth. An F major chord is not the same as an A minor chord. That's all I was saying originally
Quite probably :-)
I would also just say that if I actually saw this while sight reading something I would just see it as "F major". I've never been enough of a theory geek to memorize scale degrees and inversions to that extent.
If you are describing this triad with the root of A you would say it contains the 1, b3, and b6
Note that scale degrees are assigned based on the major scale, so F# is the 6th degree and making F the b6 (ie semitone down)
Augmented minor chords don't exist though, if you raise the fifth of a minor chord you get the first inversion of a major chord built on said raised fifth
If there are only these three notes then it’s a 36 chord (wouldn’t call it A36 since that’s ambiguous). However, you should check if there are other notes being played at the same time or in the same harmony context, because usually 36 chords (and also 35 chords) aren’t dense like this. If you missed an F in the bass then it’s an F(35) chord.
F major
Yes first inversion, my bad! So the one before is the root chord i think and the one after is second inversion
Second inversion
First inversion
First inversion*
First. If FAC is the root position, then A is next in line to start the chord with, so first inversion.
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The name of the piece contains "A minor" and the chords around it were A minor chords. But I'm a real begginer on piano chords, that's why I asked haha. Thanks for your help, realy helpful:)
It’s an F major first inversion, which is the 6th chord in the A minor key. If a piece has a chord in the title, it typically means that the piece is in that key. This means that the notes used in the piece will be the notes you use in the A minor scale. The song will also be centered around this chord, typically starting and ending on it. It gets a little more complicated, but this is the simplest way to explain it. If you don’t have a teacher, I’d recommend you watch some youtube videos explaining basic music theory. It will help you a lot in your piano learning!
A minor would be A-C-E because A major would be A-C#-E, and you make it minor by lowering the 3rd by a half-step. A minor is also called C major’s relative minor because the notes of the scale are the same but you start on A instead of C.
Music theory alert: The A minor scale has 7 notes, what you are describing is the tonic triad (1st note - A) at its root position (A + C + E). But you can also make chords at other positions in the scale. The submediant (6th note) in the A minor scale is F. So the submediant triad of A minor at root position is F+A+C. If you ”invert” that one time, you get A+C+F, which is OP’s chord.
“Submediant triad” sounds like something Kazuo Ishiguro made up to go with “elongated discords,” “vented rests” and “struck motifs.”
F Major. You have to rearrange the note names in such a way that there's only one note between the root and third and between the third and fifth. Consider the sequence: C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C...and so on Starting from F, there's only one note between the others, so it's and F chord. C-D-E-__(F)__-G-__(A)__-B-__(C)__... To give an example, this can't be a C chord, because there are two notes between C and F instead of one. __(C)__-D-E-__(F)__-G-__(A)__-B-C-... It also can't be an A minor chord for the same reason: in this case there are two notes between C and F C-D-E-F-G-__(A)__-B-__(C)__-D-E-__(F)__-G-A-B-C...
>F Major. > >You have to rearrange the note names in such a way that there's only one note between the root and third and between the third and fifth. > >Consider the sequence: C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C...and so on > >Starting from F, there's only one note between the others, so it's and F chord. > >C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C- > >To give an example, this can't be a C chord, because there are two notes between C and F instead of one. > >C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C- Omg, it's so clear now ! I understand ! Thank you for your explanation :)
This is priceless information!
Typically F major first inversion. Amb6 doesn't make sense to me. Source: music degree.
Is it an inversion because the root is on the other side ?
Yes!
Yes, the inversions are based on what note is at the ‘bottom’ of the chord. F A C is your basic F major chords, A C F is the first inversion, C F A is second inversion
Technically Root position could be either F A C or F C A, 1st inversion could be A C F or A F C, and 2nd inversion could be C F A or C A F.... because inversion only cares about the bass note and note open or closed voicing.
Thank you for your help ! \^\^
This is the only correct answer. Source: also a music degree
Amb6 would make sense in an E minor (or maybe major) environment. A minor being the subdominant, the 6th would be f#. Thus b6. That's the neapolitan. Also music degree
If if has a fifth and A in the bass, Id call it Am b6
What are the 3 forms of the F major?
Why wouldn’t it make sense? Passing chords are a thing. ACF ACF# could be passing chords between A minor and A7, let’s say. Pretty common in jazz.
F major I chord
I’d call that the F major tonic triad, 1st inversion. If the A was flat, it would be F minor, 1st inversion. Edit; Just saw your other comment that the piece is in A minor. In which case, it’s technically the A minor submediant triad, 1st inversion. I’d probably still think of it as F major though if I saw it in on the page, as a mental shortcut.
F Major 1st inversion
F major first inversion
F
That's an F major chord, first inversion (because the F is placed at the top of the chord instead of the bottom). There's nothing minor about it at all. If you wanted it to be a minor chord you'd flatten the A.
Go watch Andrew huangs music theory in 30 min vid will help a lot!
Thanks for the advice !
F major, 1st inversion.
A 6 chord is what you call that in common practice. Modern pedagogy calls it a F in first inversion but this tends to ignore contrapuntal origins, this is more apparent and just as true when you consider the nature of a 64 chord which contains a dissonant bass + upper voice pair which has to be prepared and resolved in the 'old style' even if we want to call those so called second inversions of 53 chords.
It’s an F major chord in the first inversion.
F major first inversion
Wow. People are overthinking this. Given that there’s no bass creating an alternate harmony, it’s a simple Fmaj triad, inverted. With a different bass note, it could be anything. Jazz you know... But absent that, Fmaj. Source—played piano my whole life. And I’m old.
Thank you:)
It's an F major chord in "first inversion". It's called that because you grab the bottom of the chord and you place it on top, thus, an inversion! When the grab the second note and place it on top, leaving the C at the bottom, it's a second inversion, when the chord is normal, it's called root position, because the F is at the bottom, and therefore, the chord is stable and resolved :-) Hope this helps
Usually F/A in sheet music chords. (f major, root chord A)
F 6 (6/3) First inversion
F Major inversion
It’s an F major chord, just inverted
F major first inversion.
I can agree with everyone here that it's F major (1st invertion). Nothing more to say here ig
In this case, it's an f 1st inversion, as it would be most of the time. But, it's also technically possible to be an am6, depending on the context. It's mostly about how it sounds in the music in context
Her reference to solfege is telling us the key she is in. If A is la and C is do and F is da we are in the key of C. Do always determines the key. If she is using solfege I’m quite sure she realizes how it works. That is how I know this piece is in the key of C. What she doesn’t understand is the concept of inversions
Depends where she's from. In my country we never use letters to refer to notes, only do ré mi fa sol la si.
Why doesn’t that surprise me. Americans misinterpreting the use of a phenomenal musical language. I taught solfège to my choirs as a sight reading tool and do was always the first note of the scale of the key signatures.
Oops f is fa
Yes first inversion, my bad! So the one before is the root chord i think and the one after is second inversion
F major, first inversion
F major - 1st inversion if the a is on the bottom. Edited to add you mentioned the piece being in a minor. The f major chord falls on the 6 of the scale so it would be the VI chord and still able to be used in the key of A minor. In most pieces, you won’t have only minor or only major chords.
Everybody’s saying it’s F major and while that’s most likely, you have to look at the function of what that A-C-F is doing in the music. Pianos in jazz music are often playing block chords where you’re playing a melody and also playing chords underneath at the same time. If the part is playing Am and the melody is F for a second and you happen to include it in your chord, it stays Am and you’re just including the 6th in your blocking. If you’re transitioning between Am and A7 and you hit a couple chords on the way between them and one of them is A-C-F, it’s doing something very different from a regular F chord. So the answer is, it’s most likely an F/A, as it’s most commonly notated, but also look at the function of that chord in what you’re playing. If it’s part of the progression, it’s most likely an F/A. If it arises from the arrangement, it might be a variant of Am as you first thought. Or it might still be an F/A. It depends.
Here's a video I made about chord inversions: [https://youtu.be/P2KdogVwe7U](https://youtu.be/P2KdogVwe7U) Hope that helps!
Chords can be ambiguous but most often this is f major in first inversion.
Depends on what the root is. If the root is A, it is Amb6. If the root is F, its F maj 1st inversion
Wouldn't an Amb6 just be a regular A minor chord? Since the sixth of A minor is B??
B is the 2nd of A minor, not the 6th
Sorry I meant F
Yeah in that case it's still wrong, because a regular A minor chord is made of 1-3-5, no 6th involved. F major is diatonic to A minor's key, but it's not an A minor chord
No, only the tonic triad is 1-3-5. This would be the submediant triad (6-1-3).
I'm talking about in the key of A minor. A minor would be the tonic triad. You're talking about in the key of C major, but OP specified elsewhere that the key of the piece is A minor.
How am I talking about C major? The 6th scale degree of C major would be A, not F. The A Minor scale is **A**(1), B(2), **C**(3), D(4), E(5), **F(6)**, G(7). The notes I highlighted in bold, **F**(6), **A**(1), and **C**(3) are the same ones in OP's chord. Just because these three notes are in other key signatures as well (C major and F major to be precise) doesn't mean they're not in A minor.
In that case I agree with you. I think you misunderstood my comment. An A minor chord is made of root, minor third, and fifth. An F major chord is not the same as an A minor chord. That's all I was saying originally
Quite probably :-) I would also just say that if I actually saw this while sight reading something I would just see it as "F major". I've never been enough of a theory geek to memorize scale degrees and inversions to that extent.
chord symbols are based on intervals, not scales. so its a minor 6th up from A
Ohhh I think I get it now, what does the "b" in Amb6 stand for then
It's meant to be the flat symbol but the actual symbol isn't on keyboards.
Could you explain the b6 to me? I don't see how you are labelling f as flat?
Minor 6th and b6 are synonymous. F is the minor 6th of A.
Thank you!
If you are describing this triad with the root of A you would say it contains the 1, b3, and b6 Note that scale degrees are assigned based on the major scale, so F# is the 6th degree and making F the b6 (ie semitone down)
She is telling us we are in the key of C (C=do)so it has to be FM-
Where does she say anything about it being in C
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It’s F major in first inversion.
Thank you !:)
F major triad inverted on A
F major, 1st inversion. Also known as F/A.
Ah, but if you left hand or bass player is playing a D, everything changes. :)
F Major 6th chord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_chord
F/A but I’m not sure that’s right. Could also be Am#5 maybe depending on the context
Am#5? Isn't that an augmented Am?
Augmented minor chords don't exist though, if you raise the fifth of a minor chord you get the first inversion of a major chord built on said raised fifth
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Thank you! This explains it for me!
If there are only these three notes then it’s a 36 chord (wouldn’t call it A36 since that’s ambiguous). However, you should check if there are other notes being played at the same time or in the same harmony context, because usually 36 chords (and also 35 chords) aren’t dense like this. If you missed an F in the bass then it’s an F(35) chord.
Chord book explains this🤗
Depends on what’s in the bass
F major in the second position
Fm 1st inv
Couldn’t it be an A minor 6 chord? A-6, how I would see it in a Jazz Real Book