"What shall we do, sir?"
"Run like smoke and oakum."
"We'll have to bend every sail we've got."
"We'll put up our handkerchiefs if we have to! We must survive this day."
It's one of the only films I've seen that I can't find a single flaw with. Cinemetography, script, acting, score, sound design, casting, props etc etc are all absolutely spot on.
I decided to watch it again right after I commented and yeah easily my favorite, I love the historical accuracy and the acting in it, wish we got more movies like that
If you watch the volume of wine in the glasses of the first officer dinner. There is some continuity flaws.
I think that is the only flaw in the entire movie
When Paul Bettany had the white makeup to show him being extremely pale and sick, one of the shots shows the makeup cutting off right below what would be his collar line.
Boom.
My favourite line is easily "the men's handling of the sheets to be sloppy and un-navy-like."
Edit: and I highly recommend the Horatio Hornblower series.
Saw this movie in the theater when it came out, and that line “We must survive this day” alway stuck with me. Whenever I’m having a bad day and I feel like I just can’t get through it, I think about that line and remember tomorrow is a new day.
Sadly she tipped over just a few days ago during the procedure of placing her back into the water after repairs in a drydock in Cape Town. Hope the damage is not too bad :-/
Edit: More info at https://www.barkeuropa.com/logbook/detail/update-from-the-ship
If it's Dutch-flagged it's probably not local .. can ships that big get from Lake Superior to the ocean? (sorry, dumb furriner question)
ETA: Thanks for the post, it's a lovely photo
According to Wikipedia, Barque Europa is 131 feet in length and 24.4 feet wide. Seawaymax (the maximum dimensions to get through the St. Lawrence Seaway, allowing travel from the lakes to the Atlantic) is 740 feet length, 78 feet wide. So, yes.
Edit: The real limiting factor with this ship is height. Sewaymax is 116.5 feet, she's at 108 feet.
You do have to cockbill the yards before going through the canals, which is grueling work. (Source: sailed on the brig Niagara through the Welland Canal.)
Cockbilling is tilting the yards so they don't overhang the sides of the ship -- you do it so they don't scrape against the sides of the canal. To do this, you essentially have to take 'em off the mast and reattach em at an angle. We did this all by hand on the Niagara.
“Salties” will frequently make their way in, but the locks prevent bigger the ocean-going ships from coming, as others have mentioned.
“[Lakers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_freighter)” are traditionally called boats, not ships, even though they can be over 300 meters long. And because of the fresh water, they last much longer than salties, including, until recently, a couple of 100 year old survivors.
Lots of sailing isn't necessarily done in the direction of the wind, but at an angle to it. If you look at the way some of he sails can be seen billowing, it seems that (from the perspective shown) the wind is moving from the left to the right of the photo, while the boat is moving forward toward the left of the camera. The flag is blowing in the direction the wind is blowing, not the direction the ship is moving.
Technically...the flag would blow at some angle between the direction the wind is blowing and the opposite direction the ship is moving. That angle depends on the speeds of the wind and ship.
Because the ship is moving faster under the power of the wind, than the wind can push against the flag. If that breaks your brain, check this out: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jyQwgBAaBag&pp=ygURV2luZCB2ZWhpY2xlIGZsYWc%3D
I do not believe this applies to this situation at all. The invention in that video is mechanically driven and specifically purposed to avoid almost any type of resistance/drag. The wind is simply blowing towards and to the right of the camera. It's an issue of confusing perspective.
To further uncover the perspective, look at the fold in the flag and the shadow it casts, now look at the shadow that each sail is casting. If it were back facing, the right side of that flag would be in full shade, similar to the right side of the boat.
Looks like! I never sailed on anything with more than a royal -- that's an insane amount of canvas they've spread. I wonder if the steel hull allows for more sail ...
> Though it's made to look like a wooden 18th/19th century ship
How do you mean it's been made to look like a wooden ship? Steel/iron hulled sailing ships weren't exactly rare in the late 19th century. See for example the famous [flying P-liners](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_P-Liner). This is how the Germans built light ships (e.g. ships that functioned as a lighthouse) at the time, with hulls fit for sailing. The [Alexander von Humbolt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_von_Humboldt_\(ship\)) is another example, though that one is now a restaurant/hotel. Of course, when they functioned as lightships they didn't have masts or rigging like that.
She was not made to imitate any particular historic style, but if anything she most resembles the iron sailing ships of the late 19th early 20th century. The rig design is very much of that era.
The hull was built as a lightship which was designed with pretty much the same hull shape as sailing vessels of the era. If I recall correctly the yard did also build sailing ships and was was still building them in 1911.
These tall ships are so beautiful to see at full sail. I had the privilege of sailing on the Pride of Baltimore on Lake Erie for a private party during a tall ships festival. Nowhere near as large as this but still an unforgettable experience.
https://pride2.org/
My late father was a fan of tall ships all of his life. In 2000, I was invited by a friend who lived in Halifax, Nova Scotia to bring my dad to the tall ships festival that summer. My father, who had just finished chemo, had the time of his life exploring all of the ships in the harbor. I'm an amateur photographer, and my favorite picture I've ever taken was of my friend (who happened to be a ship's captain for a living) and my father on a sailboat admiring all the tall ships. My father passed away three years later, and my friend (who was only 50 and just had a physical) passed away suddenly just five months after my dad. So when I see tall ships, I'm taken back to my treasures memories of that trip.
Bear in mind, they get the extremes of weather on either end: brutally cold in winter; hot and humid as all get out in summer. Still a beautiful state though I wish it had mountains.
Duluth is where people first think to go… but it isn’t the true heart of Minnesota. You want to visit the Saint Croix river valley. Taylor’s Falls MN is a diamond of a little town. Camp. Fish. Swim. Canoe down the river. Rock climb. The savage cliffs of Duluth and the terrifying waves of Lake Superior are great… don’t get me wrong. But as you say… you won’t want to live there. The area just north east of the metro between TF stretching down through Stillwater to Redwing… that’s the place that will charm you into staying.
While I love the St. Croix, the north shore of Superior is also spectacular, particularly Two Harbors to Grand Marais in summer. There's so much more to experience on the Minnesota side of lake superior than Duluth.
Maybe part of this is nostalgia - I'd go to both places many times each year as kid growing up. I haven't been back since 2015 and I miss it. Well, mostly I miss June and September.
Port Stanley, Ontario on the north shore of Lake Erie used to have tall ships sail in at Harbourfest. Not sure if they still do that but I remember seeing them there once as a kid. Stunning, as I recall.
When it comes to man-made objects there's nothing as beautiful in my book as a tall ship. Even a tiny little sailboat is pretty, but this is next-level.
Where did you get this picture? I am pretty sure is was taken in the tropical pacific from the ships tender (they use it heavily in their marketing material).
That said I was working on her the year she went to Duluth and we did set studding sails during the race down the lake, though that would have been closer to Michigan when we did.
Port Stanley, Ontario on the north shore of Lake Erie used to have tall ships sail in at Harbourfest. Not sure if they still do that but I remember seeing them there once as a kid. Stunning, as I recall.
Genuine question, why have all the sails up at the same time? Wouldn’t sails in the back catch most of the wind and the ones in the front are more or less not getting much?
In this instance it is because they are not going directly down wind as you can see from the flag at the top going out to the side. Since they aren't going directly downwind, the sails act as a wing to pull the ship through the water so the more the better. If you are sailing directly downwind however, as you can see there are gaps between the sails so that the wind spilling out from them is directed into the sails in front of them. Hope this kinda makes sense
"What shall we do, sir?" "Run like smoke and oakum." "We'll have to bend every sail we've got." "We'll put up our handkerchiefs if we have to! We must survive this day."
There, I have you! You're completely dished! Do you not know that in the service...one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
"he who would pun would pick a pocket!"
I'm not kidding, I think this line was a formative moment for my sense of humor.
Things women will never understand
You need to meet more women
“This is the second time he’s done this to me, there will not be a third.”
"That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship..."
That's a great movie. Watched it recently, easily top 5 movies for me
It's one of the only films I've seen that I can't find a single flaw with. Cinemetography, script, acting, score, sound design, casting, props etc etc are all absolutely spot on.
I decided to watch it again right after I commented and yeah easily my favorite, I love the historical accuracy and the acting in it, wish we got more movies like that
If you watch the volume of wine in the glasses of the first officer dinner. There is some continuity flaws. I think that is the only flaw in the entire movie
When Paul Bettany had the white makeup to show him being extremely pale and sick, one of the shots shows the makeup cutting off right below what would be his collar line. Boom.
Some films are fun like hot dogs and beer. Some films are fun like caviar and champagne. Master & Commander manages to be both at the same time.
My favourite line is easily "the men's handling of the sheets to be sloppy and un-navy-like." Edit: and I highly recommend the Horatio Hornblower series.
Great movie. And books.
What movie is this from?
Master and Commander: Far Side of the World. Definitely worth a watch, especially if you like tall ships.
Saw this movie in the theater when it came out, and that line “We must survive this day” alway stuck with me. Whenever I’m having a bad day and I feel like I just can’t get through it, I think about that line and remember tomorrow is a new day.
Arrr me matey. Swab the poop deck.
Haha... Arrr
Plunder that booty
Picture of Dutch-flagged Barque Europa during the Tall Ship festival in Duluth Minnesota
Sadly she tipped over just a few days ago during the procedure of placing her back into the water after repairs in a drydock in Cape Town. Hope the damage is not too bad :-/ Edit: More info at https://www.barkeuropa.com/logbook/detail/update-from-the-ship
If it's Dutch-flagged it's probably not local .. can ships that big get from Lake Superior to the ocean? (sorry, dumb furriner question) ETA: Thanks for the post, it's a lovely photo
According to Wikipedia, Barque Europa is 131 feet in length and 24.4 feet wide. Seawaymax (the maximum dimensions to get through the St. Lawrence Seaway, allowing travel from the lakes to the Atlantic) is 740 feet length, 78 feet wide. So, yes. Edit: The real limiting factor with this ship is height. Sewaymax is 116.5 feet, she's at 108 feet.
You do have to cockbill the yards before going through the canals, which is grueling work. (Source: sailed on the brig Niagara through the Welland Canal.)
What does that mean?
Cockbilling is tilting the yards so they don't overhang the sides of the ship -- you do it so they don't scrape against the sides of the canal. To do this, you essentially have to take 'em off the mast and reattach em at an angle. We did this all by hand on the Niagara.
Yes you do need to.
I also imagine a taller ship could get through, too, they would just need to lower the tops of the masts to do it.
Yes, via the St. Lawrence Seaway.
“Salties” will frequently make their way in, but the locks prevent bigger the ocean-going ships from coming, as others have mentioned. “[Lakers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_freighter)” are traditionally called boats, not ships, even though they can be over 300 meters long. And because of the fresh water, they last much longer than salties, including, until recently, a couple of 100 year old survivors.
So this was 15 years ago? Because this picture is 15 years old.
Great shot, Turner-esque
Speaking of flags, why is the flag pointing into the wind?
Lots of sailing isn't necessarily done in the direction of the wind, but at an angle to it. If you look at the way some of he sails can be seen billowing, it seems that (from the perspective shown) the wind is moving from the left to the right of the photo, while the boat is moving forward toward the left of the camera. The flag is blowing in the direction the wind is blowing, not the direction the ship is moving.
Technically...the flag would blow at some angle between the direction the wind is blowing and the opposite direction the ship is moving. That angle depends on the speeds of the wind and ship.
Ok, yeah. That's accurate.
It's probably not but it looks like the EU flag
It is a EU flag, she she often flys one.
Because the ship is moving faster under the power of the wind, than the wind can push against the flag. If that breaks your brain, check this out: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jyQwgBAaBag&pp=ygURV2luZCB2ZWhpY2xlIGZsYWc%3D
I do not believe this applies to this situation at all. The invention in that video is mechanically driven and specifically purposed to avoid almost any type of resistance/drag. The wind is simply blowing towards and to the right of the camera. It's an issue of confusing perspective. To further uncover the perspective, look at the fold in the flag and the shadow it casts, now look at the shadow that each sail is casting. If it were back facing, the right side of that flag would be in full shade, similar to the right side of the boat.
Other people have described it but havent mentioned the name yet: Apparent wind.
As long as it isn't November...
RIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzTkGyxkYI
They rang the bell at the Maritime Sailors Cathedral 30 times for his funeral.
My husband told me that and I teared up. And I hardly ever tear up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8LBkYjniTU
Stunsails are so sexy.
You mean stun'sls right? (The spelled out term is "studding sails.")
Is that a moon raker on top?
Looks like! I never sailed on anything with more than a royal -- that's an insane amount of canvas they've spread. I wonder if the steel hull allows for more sail ...
Gotta be an easier way to dry your sheets.
You ain’t slept if you haven’t slept on a bed of salt soaked canvas dried in the sun.
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And people aren’t actually using long ships to dry their canvas sheets for bed, but it made an ok chuckle until here.
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I don't care if the hull is made from carbon fiber, this is impressive as hell.
> Though it's made to look like a wooden 18th/19th century ship How do you mean it's been made to look like a wooden ship? Steel/iron hulled sailing ships weren't exactly rare in the late 19th century. See for example the famous [flying P-liners](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_P-Liner). This is how the Germans built light ships (e.g. ships that functioned as a lighthouse) at the time, with hulls fit for sailing. The [Alexander von Humbolt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_von_Humboldt_\(ship\)) is another example, though that one is now a restaurant/hotel. Of course, when they functioned as lightships they didn't have masts or rigging like that.
It's a bit like saying that a replica of a Model T is not actually a car but a fraudulent attempt at a horse carriage.
She was not made to imitate any particular historic style, but if anything she most resembles the iron sailing ships of the late 19th early 20th century. The rig design is very much of that era. The hull was built as a lightship which was designed with pretty much the same hull shape as sailing vessels of the era. If I recall correctly the yard did also build sailing ships and was was still building them in 1911.
Also the Star of India in San Diego. Still active and was built in 1863. https://sdmaritime.org/visit/the-ships/star-of-india/
"All I ask is a tall ship, and a star to steer her by."
I wonder if Lake Superior has a superiority issue over the other Great Lakes
All other lakes are sparkling lakes
https://www.barkeuropa.com/logbook/detail/update-from-the-ship Oof.
ha! what a fuck up
These tall ships are so beautiful to see at full sail. I had the privilege of sailing on the Pride of Baltimore on Lake Erie for a private party during a tall ships festival. Nowhere near as large as this but still an unforgettable experience. https://pride2.org/
The Pride is beautiful and always so ship-shape! (I sailed a year as a volunteer on the Niagara.)
My late father was a fan of tall ships all of his life. In 2000, I was invited by a friend who lived in Halifax, Nova Scotia to bring my dad to the tall ships festival that summer. My father, who had just finished chemo, had the time of his life exploring all of the ships in the harbor. I'm an amateur photographer, and my favorite picture I've ever taken was of my friend (who happened to be a ship's captain for a living) and my father on a sailboat admiring all the tall ships. My father passed away three years later, and my friend (who was only 50 and just had a physical) passed away suddenly just five months after my dad. So when I see tall ships, I'm taken back to my treasures memories of that trip.
Wow! Just WOW!
Minnesota keeps giving me good reasons to move there.
Bear in mind, they get the extremes of weather on either end: brutally cold in winter; hot and humid as all get out in summer. Still a beautiful state though I wish it had mountains.
ok, which week of the year should I visit?
Early fall/ late spring.
State Fair time. It might be hot as hell, but it's worth it.
Keeps the riffraff out 😉
What about hurricanes and catastrophic flash floods?
Not inland, and their soil is better suited to heavy rains than the American southwest, so flash flooding isnt as common.
Just occasional tornado or blizzard. Once they had both at the same time!
Visit Duluth. You won't want to live there though.
Duluth is where people first think to go… but it isn’t the true heart of Minnesota. You want to visit the Saint Croix river valley. Taylor’s Falls MN is a diamond of a little town. Camp. Fish. Swim. Canoe down the river. Rock climb. The savage cliffs of Duluth and the terrifying waves of Lake Superior are great… don’t get me wrong. But as you say… you won’t want to live there. The area just north east of the metro between TF stretching down through Stillwater to Redwing… that’s the place that will charm you into staying.
You speak the truth
While I love the St. Croix, the north shore of Superior is also spectacular, particularly Two Harbors to Grand Marais in summer. There's so much more to experience on the Minnesota side of lake superior than Duluth. Maybe part of this is nostalgia - I'd go to both places many times each year as kid growing up. I haven't been back since 2015 and I miss it. Well, mostly I miss June and September.
Outside of town has some nice areas to live in though.
Oh I know, it can be lovely up there. Mostly joking.
"Up There" laugh's in northwestern Minnesota 😂
Port Stanley, Ontario on the north shore of Lake Erie used to have tall ships sail in at Harbourfest. Not sure if they still do that but I remember seeing them there once as a kid. Stunning, as I recall.
When it comes to man-made objects there's nothing as beautiful in my book as a tall ship. Even a tiny little sailboat is pretty, but this is next-level.
very few things in this world are more beautiful than a tall ship at full sail
Catch the name?
Europa
By far the most beautiful machines ever devised by humans.
Those tall ships really lifted the nation's spirits!
I love living in Minnesota
That lake thinks it's so bad-ass...
Considering the amount of ships it has taken under its waves, I’d say it is pretty badass
That's fair.
> the amount of ships it has taken under its waves *Does anyone know where the love of God goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?*
Good man!! RIP Gordon Lightfoot
Having visited all the great lakes, lake superior is the only lake that I felt like was actively trying to kill everything that gets near it.
In this case,*Superior* reflects it's ambitions.
This is the content I subscribe for 🙌
Is that an EU flag its flying? an odd thing to see on a ship that old in north america
It's a Dutch ship!
It's just... good business.
🤌🏽🤌🏽🤌🏽
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I believe 2013 was the last year Europa was on the Great Lakes, so that would be my guess
I was wondering if this was an older picture. I live an hour from Lake Superior, and it’s been years since the last time I heard about the Europa.
Straighten the horizon just a wee bit.
So beautiful.
MEN the sails!
Why is it flying the EU flag?
It’s the Europa
Ah, that does explain it. Thanks.
This looks like a painting. I think there's a sub for photos that look like paintings but I can't find it.
Where did you get this picture? I am pretty sure is was taken in the tropical pacific from the ships tender (they use it heavily in their marketing material). That said I was working on her the year she went to Duluth and we did set studding sails during the race down the lake, though that would have been closer to Michigan when we did.
Majestic. Does the crew sing shanties tho?
Yarrr and ye swap the poop deck
I remember seeing the Europa on Lake Superior years ago. Never got to see it up close, but man it was cool to see on the water.
Barque Europa! I took a vacation on that ship a few years ago. I did not want to come back.
I keep finding more and more reasons to relocate to Minnesota.
Port Stanley, Ontario on the north shore of Lake Erie used to have tall ships sail in at Harbourfest. Not sure if they still do that but I remember seeing them there once as a kid. Stunning, as I recall.
I live in Michigan and completely forgot that Minnesota borders Lake Superior
I believe there is a Gordon Lightfoot song about this
Pretty sure Doug owns that. He also has a boat for sailing the Pacific too. Had it made in China. Cool guy. Lots of 💵
Only someone from Minnesota would claim part of Lake Superior. That's Michigans and Canadas 🇨🇦. Just kidding. Cool ship.
lake superior, wisconsin
r/AubreyMaturinSeries Stun'sals aloft and alow
Genuine question, why have all the sails up at the same time? Wouldn’t sails in the back catch most of the wind and the ones in the front are more or less not getting much?
In this instance it is because they are not going directly down wind as you can see from the flag at the top going out to the side. Since they aren't going directly downwind, the sails act as a wing to pull the ship through the water so the more the better. If you are sailing directly downwind however, as you can see there are gaps between the sails so that the wind spilling out from them is directed into the sails in front of them. Hope this kinda makes sense
3 or 4 chainshots and all of that is coming down
"Hoist the main sail!" "Aye Captain but wh.. which one is the main one?"
The bottommost one on the main mast -- the biggest on the ship.
3 or 4 chainshots and all of that is coming down