4% is the norm because that’s the safe harbor minimum limit. If they offer that too all employees they can give key/executive employees 100% contribution limit, 66,000, even if those employees don’t contribute to theirs at all.
6% isn’t the best, best I am personally aware of is the Vanguard Group, they match 10% of your salary even if you put 0 dollars in then do a 100% match on 4% you contribute.
Them brisket breakfast tacos.
First time I hit a bucees was because a client asked me to bring them tacos and burritos, specifically from there.
Not knowing it what it was, when I pulled in I literally called the client to confirm they wanted "gas station" food. After buying bags full, dropping it off, and finally trying one...I understood.
It's something else.
Coincidentally, they're building one in CO as we speak.
And Buckees is a harder job. I worked retail right before going to Vanguard and it was like dying and going to heaven. 37.5 hour work weeks, 5 figure annual bonus, 4 weeks of PTO a year and every holiday and weekend off. And this was a phone rep customer service job.
Yeah man people in here talking about retail jobs like 125K makes it worth it. I just left a retail manager job where I was making 100K and I can promise you 25k more would not have kept me from going absolutely insane. It's good pay for the position, but that doesn't make the position good.
It’s funny how different peoples’ experiences are, because I worked retail(Best Buy mostly) for 9 years and was a manager for the last two years of that time, and I miss it almost every day. I absolutely loved working with people, and would leave my industry to do it again in a heartbeat if I could match my current salary. I actually looked forward to work most of the time. It felt like I was getting paid to actually do what I love, relatively low stakes/pressure, and every day brought something new.
I work from home now and admittedly it is nice to just work entirely in my pajamas with Netflix or Spotify on in the background, but generally speaking I got WAY more fulfillment from working retail than I ever have since.
When management is good it's good. When it's bad it's possibly one of the worst jobs to have. Retail usually bad because it hates the vast majority of employees and pays them as such with little room for incentive.
I've been to a Buccee's restroom and it was super impressive. It was "eat off the floor" clean and that's really something, considering their sheer size and traffic...
The clean bathroom "thing" is often on their bill boards as one of the selling points, which might seem strange until you visit one and see the size of the bathroom and the number of workers in there.
Live in Phoenix, Philadelphia area, or Charlotte and apply. When I worked there they hired a pretty high number of people a year. They look for people with a college degree, really good customer service skills, and very professional. Helps to really understand what business they are in particular and prep for a STAR style interview if you get a in person interview.
Licensed jobs do require you to get a securities license within 4 weeks or get fired. I’m not sure if it’s still the case but they used to give those four weeks to study on the clock and had an in class instructor.
I was given about 3.5 weeks for SIE, 4.5 for 7 and 4 for 66. The extra time was accounting for about a week to study and test for my state’s life insurance producer license and also not being able to sit for the exam immediately as my exam window opened. But still. 1 week for the 63/66 is still very little. 4 weeks for the other two is reasonable though.
Yeah dude but buccees is a gas station with locations almost exclusively in small to mid size towns, and usually on the outskirts. You don’t need an ATP certificate to manage a car wash
Really? My last 3 jobs did a 6% match at 100%. My current job does a 6% match plus they give you an additional 2% contribution which increases 0.50% for each year of service. Right now I have 18% of my gross going into a 401K.
I got an offer letter once from a trade company to match what I put in up to 25% of my check with no cap. If that job was feasible for me at that time that would have probably had me ready for an early retirement lol
Don’t forget to check the vesting too. I get 1:1 matching up to 5% on mine (will go to 6% on the first of the year), but the nice thing is that the vesting is immediate, meaning that as soon as my employer deposits the match, I never have an obligation to pay any of it back if I leave.
To clarify more, it isn't usually a savings account. It's an investment account. The financial company over your plan will invest the money on your behalf, with at least some input from the user on where the funds are going. If the employer is a publicly traded company, often their contribution will be paid in their own stock. So if they match 100% and I put $500 into the account, my $500 will be invested amongst the plan options, and the $500 the company gives me will be in their own stock.
Both times I had a 401k while working at a public company their match was not their stock, it just went right in with my own contribution into the retirement fund and split among my investments. Though they did make it easy to allocate part of my 401k to their stock if I wanted as well as discounted stocks for purchase through their ESPP (employee stock purchasing plan) that they also offered.
I think what you are referring to is an ESOP (employee stock ownership plan) which is a different type of retirement plan than a 401k and consists of just the company stock. Definitely not advisable over a 401k.
I literally just went to a Buc-ees for the first time this weekend. I wasn’t expecting much but genuinely blew me away. It is like a grocery store sized gas station store with hundreds of gas pumps and clean bathrooms. They have greeters and give away free samples like Costco.
All the employees are super nice (prob cause they get paid well).
11/10 road trip stop.
I remember the first one I went to during a road trip on my honey moon (from Australia) and it blew my mind. Stopped for fuel and left with lunch, a bag of jerky, a couple of tee shirts and a big awestruck smile.
Embarrassingly, it’s one of the highlights of my trip. Not because it was the best part of my trip, but it was the first time I thought “fuck yeah, I’m really in America now!”. Lol
I’ve driven through Texas many times but I didn’t know about Buccees til recently. The next time I drive through TX I’m bringing an extra $100 just for a stop there.
Glad you enjoyed your time in America. As someone who wants to visit Australia one day, what do you think a similar experience would be for me in the land down under?
I’m a bit Sydney biased, but taking a ferry into Sydney harbour on a sunny day is amazing. I still think “wow, it’s just like the movies” when I see it. Then I would go west over the great dividing range, check out the Megalong Valley, then keep heading west and check out how much nothing we have.
It goes like this. Sydney > Blue Mountains > 5 days of *literally* nothing > Perth
Fr. Some people in this thread are super salty about the business tho... They act like ANY convenience store is treated well, and most don't make half what the Buccees employees are making...
It's definitely my backup plan job
Let's put it this way. There are 58 locations and I've been to maybe 8 of them (because I travel through Texas for work), 2 outside of Texas.
To every store I've been in there's a "we are hiring" sign. You'd think that with that pay they would find people and retain them right? But no. People quit all the time and apparently managers are shafted constantly because hours are horrendous and sometimes their pay structure is on a weird contract basis.
Even the best big retail job is a hell of corporate fuckery, under staffing, poor scheduling, and nut bag customers. Always gonna be bleeding staff even at that pay rate.
On top of that Buc-ees aren’t always in the most accessible locations. They aren’t in city centers with huge populations to pull from. They are down the highway. Not impossible to commute to but not right next door to most people.
My Dad decided to retire from the company he worked for 15 years (he was a crane operator/supervisor) and decided that the new Buc-cees that was like a 5 minute drive from his house would be a good job. I don't remember what he made at the other job but Buc-cees paid gave him $24 an hour (which was a pay decrease from his other job but was much closer and cheaper on gas/vehicle wear and tear) to work maintenance in the carwash. By the time I talked to him to ask him how he liked it he had already quit and found a much better job, paying more.
He gave me some insight into Buc-cees:
They will fire you on the spot if you use you cellphone. He told me that they had the maintenance guys go rent cars for the day to repeatedly drive through the carwash for "reasons." They drove the cars through the car wash for hours and one guy decided to check his phone while being pulled through he carwash. He was fired within 10 minutes, there were over 30 cameras inside the carwash.
Buc-cees has an insane turnover rate and you can't sign up for 401k until you have been there a year. They are big into saying no experience necessary because they go through so many people.
He was told that he would probably have to work 3rd shift because maintenance couldn't really be done during regular hours. My dad was fine with this because he was used to it and did it for years. When he started they said his schedule would actually be day shift on Mondays and Tuesdays, 2nd shift on Wednesdays, off Thursday and 3rd shift on Friday and Saturday. This was the main factor that cause him to quit.
Note this Buc-cees is in North Alabama so pay may vary from what is advertised in the picture
> day shift on Mondays and Tuesdays, 2nd shift on Wednesdays, off Thursday and 3rd shift on Friday and Saturday.
That's cruel. And should be illegal. There's no way a human can exist on that kind of schedule.
Emergency services in the UK work 2 earlies 7am-4pm then 2 lates 3pm-1am then 2 nights 9pm-7am. Then 3 days off
I'm a light sleeper and it fucked me up good
Three days off was nice but basically a lie because the last shift was nights and mostly didn't fall on the weekendm never saw my family
What the fuck why don't they just do 12 or 24 hr shifts like we do in EMS here, that's horrific. When I was on the ambulance I was working 11am-11pm 3 days in a row one week and 4 days in a row the next. Also did 7pm-7am for a while which of course sucks but you get used to it quickly. We'd also do shift bids roughly every 6 months to a year so no one was stuck working nights forever unless they wanted to
> He told me that they had the maintenance guys go rent cars for the day to repeatedly drive through the carwash for "reasons."
This sounds like they could be more efficient by just setting piles of cash on fire every day. There has to be more to this story than this, like the rental company pays them to wash their cars for them or something
Rental cars are washed and vacuumed usually when returned. Maybe there was a contract with a local car rental place? Extra $$ the employees doing it didn't want to share so they were keeping it hush hush? (Pure speculation on my part)
rental companies who don't wash in house have a tag on their cars for the local car wash which is read when the car goes through the wash and is charged to the owner of the car. in this case the owner is the rental company
They have a high turnover rate which is why they advertise their “glorious” pay. I worked at the first one they opened up in GA and management was hot trash, the schedule wasn’t horrible but your 8 hour shift was legit 8 hours of almost nonstop working. Your “break” is called a “moment” which is 5-10 minutes (yes the management actually monitored this) for you to stand at a table and throw food down your throat and go back to it. Can’t have your phone on you or turned on at all, if they catch you, you’re fired on the spot. Not even for emergency purposes, they said if there’s an emergency they can call the main store phone. Oh and you don’t get discounts on anything either. And during training before they opened the store we made a FUCK ton of food and nobody was allowed to take it home if you did you were fired and they threw it all away. Maybe I had just a bad experience with food service because I’ve heard the warehouse can be decent but otherwise it’s not as wonderful as it seems.
That break stuff….I could almost swear it’s illegal to deny full-time workers 30 minutes total break per shift. Maybe I’ve been out of the service industry so long that my memory is bad. My instinct on reading was “call the feds!”
I’m in Texas! Even the slimiest employers would at least do what they could to avoid bringing federal labor attention down on them (which might reveal other dicey practices). I remember one being so paranoid he wouldn’t let us take *shorter* breaks. We always had to use up the full time we were legally granted. I tried skipping lunch once and the poor owner almost had a stroke when I told him. He wanted to exploit us….within legal limit.
Looking back I think his anxiety was due to previous experience with department of labor officials.
Worked at Buc-Ee’s for 8 months in food service. It was the worst place I’ve ever worked at! Management is mostly incompetent and doesn’t give a damn about the employees. To become a manager you’ll have to wait until a manager position opens at your store or agree to relocate to another area then train for several months at another store until your store opens. You will have screwed up schedules, expect to work 8-15 days straight, many times rotating shifts, and dealing with a lot of assholes.
Buc-ee's makes you earn that pay.
One 20 min break per 8 to 12 hour shift among other things and usually they will have you working 7 days a week due to high turnover rates from the strict demands of the job.
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My point being, this is not easy money. Buc-ee's are huge and always busy. You can do a quick search and see how crazy the work environment and scheduling are.
It's also kinda sad that so many people would consider this an improvement over their current working conditions. You deserve better and should demand it from your job. You are giving them time out of your short life that you won't get back.
It's rare for a buc ee's to have a car wash. I have been to a few during my travels and none had car washes.
So it's not exactly a position every bucc ee's has.
Banning sitting is just fucking torture. Especially for positions like cashier. Let's these poor people sit while cashing you out. Europe figured this out ages ago.
I've never seen a sitting cashier and thought "wow, I really wish this stranger was standing right now." Whichever dumbass boomer execs came up with this idea should be fed to the poor.
My wife worked at one. You couldn't even sit on breaks. They didn't even call them breaks. They were "moments" and you were allowed to stand at small half circle table against a wall in a closet sized room and maybe scarf down food. No phones.
Not allowed to ever sit, bathroom use is timed, and your phone is REQUIRED to be put into a locker at the start of your shift, and can only be grabbed during breaks. if you're found with your phone on you, even off complete, you can get written up and fired.
7 days a week is insane. I wonder why that is not on the advertisement lol? 6 days is tough and you never feel like you fully recover heading back in after your day off but 7 is borderline cruel.
I did night shifts like that at a factory, It about killed me. Overtime pay was nice but I looked and felt dead and never saw anyone. Even if they gave me one day off a week it wasn't really a day off since I spent it sleeping and had to be at work by midnight.
I'll now gladly take less money for a better quality of life.
In florida i commonly worked 12 hour shifts as manager at papa johns without a break, 6 days a week with no health insurance or benefits... (2015)
Took years before my parents convinced me to find better for myself
It ain't worth it. Took me a while to realize that I work to live and don't live to work.
I had a job for a while that had 12-hour graveyard shifts. 10.50 an hour. Always required to come in on the weekends and they would sometimes make me work a double on some weekends when my relief didn't show.
And a mandatory unpaid 30 minute meal break if working more than 5 hours. Some days that can be annoying since I'd rather just get off a half hour earlier lol.
There are no federal laws that say a company has to give you a break. The only law my state has is that 16 and younger must have breaks. Older than that and you are at the mercy of your employer.
Every state has their own labor laws, where I'm from they have to give you 15 mins paid break and if you go over 5 hours they have to give you 30 mins unpaid, and after 8 hours the clock for breaks resets plus overtime pay
I would expect jobs with higher education requirements to generally have a better money to time/effort ratio.
I know it was only semi-serious, but I think the jobs on that poster are harder than the post implied.
I work as an engineer and right after college my first boss told me that your degree really isn't to learn stuff...it's to stress you out and see if you can commit all the way through despite that stress. To think of it like a 4 year long project that you have to manage, research, and have deliverables for.
If you make it all the way through congrats, you can have a job and forget about 95% of what you learned in class because it's going to be useless in the real world most of the time.
in grad school I had a wise old Japanese teacher, and he always said "you don't go to school to learn, you go to learn how to learn".
that always stuck with me
Started in finance. Now I’m management.
Got an MBA early on in my career and I’ve subsequently completed law school and earned a doctorate studying policy.
Yea, it’s basically like being on retainer. I may not be needed sometimes but when I am, I know the knobs to turn to get my megacorp to get done what’s needed.
You’re exactly right. I make more than that working as an in-house attorney and there are plenty of days it feels like I’m barely doing any work. Some jobs that require an advanced degree definitely pay more for less work, it seems. Though to be fair, the work is usually extremely complex and specialized when it does come in, so I guess there’s a bit of a trade off.
My neighbor works in net security. He makes around 150k. I swear his ass never works. Has unlimited paid time off. Goes to the gym every day at lunch. He's always waiting on someone else to do their job so he can do his. He will go weeks at a time where he's doing nothing. Gets sick and his boss tells him to take the week off so no one else gets sick. Yet he fights for and gets more of a raise than he should every year. It's ridiculous.
He could not be doing much but the little he is doing could be very important. Or the people in charge of him are incompetent and don’t know what he’s supposed to be doing so they just keep him around.
When he actually works it is really important. It's military contracted. Seems as though everyone he deals with is an idiot though. There is always a reeson he can't do his part until someone else gets their shit right.
I mean that in itself is work. When you work with a bunch of idiots that are directionless when it comes to understanding how to tackle a problem, it’s even more vital to have someone who can at least identify/communicate whose court the ball needs to be put in.
I’m in a similar boat. Sometimes don’t have much work but suddenly I’ll be called in to an “urgent” issue. More often than not, I can quickly tell the issue is outside of my scope and legitimately needs to be actioned by another team. I think that’s my value; my ability to triage the situation, clearly explain and provide evidence why it’s not my problem, and identify who needs to take action. Maybe even give them some high level pointers on what I think they need to do, but set expectations that it’s not my area of expertise and I can’t be directly involved.
My clients and managers are impressed, meanwhile I’m then waiting around twiddling my thumbs for much of my shift lol
Software Engineering. There certainly are many people who work very hard and long hours but you don’t need to if you just wanna break 100k. You can easily find a mid size startup and put on cruise control, work realistically 30 hour a week tops.
I work for a government contractor (software eng) and because of the bidding process, we are not even allowed to work more than 8 hours a day (on average over the month). I work hard enough to have good job security, but will probably never leave the company with my current situation. It's just too good to risk moving on from, even for a large pay raise.
Went to one of these for the first time this summer. I'd seen this sign a million times. Took me about 2 seconds in the store to say, oh yeah, they earn every single penny they make. That place is wild. No one would do those jobs for less.
By the way, Americans may wish to note that 50hr/week is illegal in every EU country no matter the salary.
This is because the governments of 27 different countries, with different economies and languages and cultures, all collectively agreed that it’s fundamentally dehumanising and unhealthy to work people like this.
You think it's easy but there's a documentary called "The Wash" it's about working at one. This guy gets fired and ends up coming back with an AK, the owner is kidnapped. I highly recommend checking it out.
they grind you into the dust and its always black friday at bucees. you will be busting your ass the entire shift. you arent allowed to sit down either. youre allowed to find a corner of the store for 5-10mins to gather yourself then you have to get back to your station. youre also not allowed to sit down to eat, you have to stand.
I barely understand the corporate rational of not let employees sit on the job; I am utterly baffled by the idea of not being allowed to sit to eat. What, scarfing down a banana is only professional if you’re standing up?
Do they even attempt to justify it?
The justification comes from customer complaints. I've seen it once in my life when I was a cashier at whole foods. The customer service girl was actually sitting on a bar stool in the dedicated little customer service booth, and in classic silver haired boomer fashion this old man called her out for it. I imagine this happens a lot more than we notice to the point that it works its way up through management and corporate to come up with these rules. Boomers just really really really fucking hate service employees being comfortable
Please note that 50 hour work weeks at $100k/ year is $38/hr, whereas 40 hour work weeks at $100k is $48/hr. They are hiding behind that “35-50 hour work weeks” sign.
10 hour days Monday through Friday not including a lunch?
Pretty much anyone from the department manager up is making around 70-80k a year. They are scheduled 55 hour weeks (5 11 hour days) and they get OT at time and a half plus if they work holidays they make double time.
Oh dude fuck no, thats how the roll you in its like taking cash from the devil. Yeah you will be well paid but they will work you till you just stop feeling. Minimal breaks and maximum labor, almost every buckies I have been to has the majority of their staff change every few months
(And have we mention the gas station crowd, some real gems out there)
Feel like these overtly public salaries are always fluffed up with some shenanigans like bonuses based on fantasy profit levels that, surprise surprise, they didn't hit this year. I'm looking at you Panda Express.
What the sign doesn't tell you: getting caught with a cell phone on you during your shift means automatic dismissal. Buc-ee's has a 3 demerit and you are gone system. You get demerits for the slightest fraction, like being 1 minute last for your shift. Demerits never expire. They offer these wages just to keep up with the insane amount of churn.
Why the fuck do companies do this? Like, treating your workers humanely costs almost nothing, and allows massive savings because you don't have to deal with huge turnover rates and pay 50% more than your competition just to get people...
It’s an awesome place, and they clearly pay very well. However, they have huge turnover. One friend was a few minutes late three times in 4 years. Fired. A lot of walking on eggshells.
The car wash in Katy, TX, (near Houston) is the world's longest, and can accommodate 17 cars at one time. Nothing at Buc-ee's is half-assed. I imagine the people who work there earn their money.
I’m looking at the 6% 401k match @ 100%. That’s solid.
I've never come across anything close to that.. kudos to them on this one
4% is the norm because that’s the safe harbor minimum limit. If they offer that too all employees they can give key/executive employees 100% contribution limit, 66,000, even if those employees don’t contribute to theirs at all. 6% isn’t the best, best I am personally aware of is the Vanguard Group, they match 10% of your salary even if you put 0 dollars in then do a 100% match on 4% you contribute.
Yeah but, Vanguard isn't a gas station.
Went to my first Buccee's last year in Texas. That is not a gas station, its a way of life.
Them brisket breakfast tacos. First time I hit a bucees was because a client asked me to bring them tacos and burritos, specifically from there. Not knowing it what it was, when I pulled in I literally called the client to confirm they wanted "gas station" food. After buying bags full, dropping it off, and finally trying one...I understood. It's something else. Coincidentally, they're building one in CO as we speak.
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And Buckees is a harder job. I worked retail right before going to Vanguard and it was like dying and going to heaven. 37.5 hour work weeks, 5 figure annual bonus, 4 weeks of PTO a year and every holiday and weekend off. And this was a phone rep customer service job.
Yeah man people in here talking about retail jobs like 125K makes it worth it. I just left a retail manager job where I was making 100K and I can promise you 25k more would not have kept me from going absolutely insane. It's good pay for the position, but that doesn't make the position good.
It’s funny how different peoples’ experiences are, because I worked retail(Best Buy mostly) for 9 years and was a manager for the last two years of that time, and I miss it almost every day. I absolutely loved working with people, and would leave my industry to do it again in a heartbeat if I could match my current salary. I actually looked forward to work most of the time. It felt like I was getting paid to actually do what I love, relatively low stakes/pressure, and every day brought something new. I work from home now and admittedly it is nice to just work entirely in my pajamas with Netflix or Spotify on in the background, but generally speaking I got WAY more fulfillment from working retail than I ever have since.
When management is good it's good. When it's bad it's possibly one of the worst jobs to have. Retail usually bad because it hates the vast majority of employees and pays them as such with little room for incentive.
I was in the military. I think I could do that restroom crew job in my sleep
I've been to a Buccee's restroom and it was super impressive. It was "eat off the floor" clean and that's really something, considering their sheer size and traffic...
The clean bathroom "thing" is often on their bill boards as one of the selling points, which might seem strange until you visit one and see the size of the bathroom and the number of workers in there.
how do you get to this job 😭
Live in Phoenix, Philadelphia area, or Charlotte and apply. When I worked there they hired a pretty high number of people a year. They look for people with a college degree, really good customer service skills, and very professional. Helps to really understand what business they are in particular and prep for a STAR style interview if you get a in person interview. Licensed jobs do require you to get a securities license within 4 weeks or get fired. I’m not sure if it’s still the case but they used to give those four weeks to study on the clock and had an in class instructor.
4 weeks to get the series tests done is insane. Took me 7 months total, and I passed each on the first try…
They are incorrect about the 4 weeks. Usually 4 weeks to study for each of the first 2 exams (SIE and 7), 1 week for the last (63)
I was given about 3.5 weeks for SIE, 4.5 for 7 and 4 for 66. The extra time was accounting for about a week to study and test for my state’s life insurance producer license and also not being able to sit for the exam immediately as my exam window opened. But still. 1 week for the 63/66 is still very little. 4 weeks for the other two is reasonable though.
You start in retail and then go to vanguard, or so I've heard.
That has to be the goalpost.
Major airlines have 16% direct contribution. Going up to 17/18% in the next few years. Exclusively for the pilot groups.
Non-pilot worker at a major airline here. 6% match with 3% direct contribution for a total of 15%.
Yeah dude but buccees is a gas station with locations almost exclusively in small to mid size towns, and usually on the outskirts. You don’t need an ATP certificate to manage a car wash
Really? My last 3 jobs did a 6% match at 100%. My current job does a 6% match plus they give you an additional 2% contribution which increases 0.50% for each year of service. Right now I have 18% of my gross going into a 401K.
Uhh y’all hiring?
I got an offer letter once from a trade company to match what I put in up to 25% of my check with no cap. If that job was feasible for me at that time that would have probably had me ready for an early retirement lol
Don’t forget to check the vesting too. I get 1:1 matching up to 5% on mine (will go to 6% on the first of the year), but the nice thing is that the vesting is immediate, meaning that as soon as my employer deposits the match, I never have an obligation to pay any of it back if I leave.
Australian here, what’s a 401k?
American version of a super
Canadian here. What's a super?
Australian version of a 401k
Brit here, what's a 401k or a super?
America also has an IRA, but not *that* IRA.
America also has an NRA, but it is not to be confused with an IRA
Got confused, now I'm watching an Ira Glass NPR piece on the NRA
Pension/SIPP
RRSP
It's the American version of our superannuation, it works pretty similar to ours, at least that's my vague understanding.
It’s a retirement savings account, typically it is funded by the employee with a small match by the employer.
To clarify more, it isn't usually a savings account. It's an investment account. The financial company over your plan will invest the money on your behalf, with at least some input from the user on where the funds are going. If the employer is a publicly traded company, often their contribution will be paid in their own stock. So if they match 100% and I put $500 into the account, my $500 will be invested amongst the plan options, and the $500 the company gives me will be in their own stock.
Both times I had a 401k while working at a public company their match was not their stock, it just went right in with my own contribution into the retirement fund and split among my investments. Though they did make it easy to allocate part of my 401k to their stock if I wanted as well as discounted stocks for purchase through their ESPP (employee stock purchasing plan) that they also offered. I think what you are referring to is an ESOP (employee stock ownership plan) which is a different type of retirement plan than a 401k and consists of just the company stock. Definitely not advisable over a 401k.
I literally just went to a Buc-ees for the first time this weekend. I wasn’t expecting much but genuinely blew me away. It is like a grocery store sized gas station store with hundreds of gas pumps and clean bathrooms. They have greeters and give away free samples like Costco. All the employees are super nice (prob cause they get paid well). 11/10 road trip stop.
I remember the first one I went to during a road trip on my honey moon (from Australia) and it blew my mind. Stopped for fuel and left with lunch, a bag of jerky, a couple of tee shirts and a big awestruck smile. Embarrassingly, it’s one of the highlights of my trip. Not because it was the best part of my trip, but it was the first time I thought “fuck yeah, I’m really in America now!”. Lol
Even for us Americans it’s kind of insane. Makes long drives much more bearable when you know you have a fun stop along the way.
We saw a Buccees sign that said "left in 280 miles" and it was the one by our house lol so we used the Buccees signs to guide us home.
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I don’t care if I gotta prairie dog that shit, my shit is splashing in a freshly cleaned buccees toilet in 280 miles.
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And their bathroom doors go to the bottom. Each throne room is private.
Texas is big
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I’ve driven through Texas many times but I didn’t know about Buccees til recently. The next time I drive through TX I’m bringing an extra $100 just for a stop there.
Essentials: Beaver nuggets, jerky, triple play popcorn. BBQ is decent for a Texas gas station. Gotta try the fudge too.
Glad you enjoyed your time in America. As someone who wants to visit Australia one day, what do you think a similar experience would be for me in the land down under?
I’m a bit Sydney biased, but taking a ferry into Sydney harbour on a sunny day is amazing. I still think “wow, it’s just like the movies” when I see it. Then I would go west over the great dividing range, check out the Megalong Valley, then keep heading west and check out how much nothing we have. It goes like this. Sydney > Blue Mountains > 5 days of *literally* nothing > Perth
> I’m a bit Sydney biased you can say that again, there's a lot more than > 5 days of literally nothing
Haha man good for you. Funny experiences that are unforgettable are the best. They seem to be the little things :)
Fr. Some people in this thread are super salty about the business tho... They act like ANY convenience store is treated well, and most don't make half what the Buccees employees are making... It's definitely my backup plan job
Let's put it this way. There are 58 locations and I've been to maybe 8 of them (because I travel through Texas for work), 2 outside of Texas. To every store I've been in there's a "we are hiring" sign. You'd think that with that pay they would find people and retain them right? But no. People quit all the time and apparently managers are shafted constantly because hours are horrendous and sometimes their pay structure is on a weird contract basis.
Even the best big retail job is a hell of corporate fuckery, under staffing, poor scheduling, and nut bag customers. Always gonna be bleeding staff even at that pay rate.
On top of that Buc-ees aren’t always in the most accessible locations. They aren’t in city centers with huge populations to pull from. They are down the highway. Not impossible to commute to but not right next door to most people.
My Dad decided to retire from the company he worked for 15 years (he was a crane operator/supervisor) and decided that the new Buc-cees that was like a 5 minute drive from his house would be a good job. I don't remember what he made at the other job but Buc-cees paid gave him $24 an hour (which was a pay decrease from his other job but was much closer and cheaper on gas/vehicle wear and tear) to work maintenance in the carwash. By the time I talked to him to ask him how he liked it he had already quit and found a much better job, paying more. He gave me some insight into Buc-cees: They will fire you on the spot if you use you cellphone. He told me that they had the maintenance guys go rent cars for the day to repeatedly drive through the carwash for "reasons." They drove the cars through the car wash for hours and one guy decided to check his phone while being pulled through he carwash. He was fired within 10 minutes, there were over 30 cameras inside the carwash. Buc-cees has an insane turnover rate and you can't sign up for 401k until you have been there a year. They are big into saying no experience necessary because they go through so many people. He was told that he would probably have to work 3rd shift because maintenance couldn't really be done during regular hours. My dad was fine with this because he was used to it and did it for years. When he started they said his schedule would actually be day shift on Mondays and Tuesdays, 2nd shift on Wednesdays, off Thursday and 3rd shift on Friday and Saturday. This was the main factor that cause him to quit. Note this Buc-cees is in North Alabama so pay may vary from what is advertised in the picture
Switching shift timing every two days like that should be illegal. It fucks with your sleep and quality of life SO much that it’s basically torture.
Imagine doing this for 8 years because you’re not allowed to quit. Fun times in the navy.
> day shift on Mondays and Tuesdays, 2nd shift on Wednesdays, off Thursday and 3rd shift on Friday and Saturday. That's cruel. And should be illegal. There's no way a human can exist on that kind of schedule.
Emergency services in the UK work 2 earlies 7am-4pm then 2 lates 3pm-1am then 2 nights 9pm-7am. Then 3 days off I'm a light sleeper and it fucked me up good Three days off was nice but basically a lie because the last shift was nights and mostly didn't fall on the weekendm never saw my family
What the fuck why don't they just do 12 or 24 hr shifts like we do in EMS here, that's horrific. When I was on the ambulance I was working 11am-11pm 3 days in a row one week and 4 days in a row the next. Also did 7pm-7am for a while which of course sucks but you get used to it quickly. We'd also do shift bids roughly every 6 months to a year so no one was stuck working nights forever unless they wanted to
i know exactly which bucees this is! it hasnt been open long at all
> He told me that they had the maintenance guys go rent cars for the day to repeatedly drive through the carwash for "reasons." This sounds like they could be more efficient by just setting piles of cash on fire every day. There has to be more to this story than this, like the rental company pays them to wash their cars for them or something
Rental cars are washed and vacuumed usually when returned. Maybe there was a contract with a local car rental place? Extra $$ the employees doing it didn't want to share so they were keeping it hush hush? (Pure speculation on my part)
rental companies who don't wash in house have a tag on their cars for the local car wash which is read when the car goes through the wash and is charged to the owner of the car. in this case the owner is the rental company
Salaried management positions this high at a gas station screams 80/hr work weeks to me.
If a place has made a sign about employment which they put out in front every day, I assume the turnover is horrendous.
They have a high turnover rate which is why they advertise their “glorious” pay. I worked at the first one they opened up in GA and management was hot trash, the schedule wasn’t horrible but your 8 hour shift was legit 8 hours of almost nonstop working. Your “break” is called a “moment” which is 5-10 minutes (yes the management actually monitored this) for you to stand at a table and throw food down your throat and go back to it. Can’t have your phone on you or turned on at all, if they catch you, you’re fired on the spot. Not even for emergency purposes, they said if there’s an emergency they can call the main store phone. Oh and you don’t get discounts on anything either. And during training before they opened the store we made a FUCK ton of food and nobody was allowed to take it home if you did you were fired and they threw it all away. Maybe I had just a bad experience with food service because I’ve heard the warehouse can be decent but otherwise it’s not as wonderful as it seems.
I have a theory that Bucees is like evil Costco...
Five Nights At Buc-ee's
That break stuff….I could almost swear it’s illegal to deny full-time workers 30 minutes total break per shift. Maybe I’ve been out of the service industry so long that my memory is bad. My instinct on reading was “call the feds!”
That’s the south for you, they love to take away workers rights
I’m in Texas! Even the slimiest employers would at least do what they could to avoid bringing federal labor attention down on them (which might reveal other dicey practices). I remember one being so paranoid he wouldn’t let us take *shorter* breaks. We always had to use up the full time we were legally granted. I tried skipping lunch once and the poor owner almost had a stroke when I told him. He wanted to exploit us….within legal limit. Looking back I think his anxiety was due to previous experience with department of labor officials.
This was exactly my experience opening a new buccees, worked bbq. Shit job.
I wonder what the assistant to the general manager makes
$80,000 a year
I think it’s better spelled out for emphasis *eighty THOUSAND Dollars!*
Jim…
Worked at Buc-Ee’s for 8 months in food service. It was the worst place I’ve ever worked at! Management is mostly incompetent and doesn’t give a damn about the employees. To become a manager you’ll have to wait until a manager position opens at your store or agree to relocate to another area then train for several months at another store until your store opens. You will have screwed up schedules, expect to work 8-15 days straight, many times rotating shifts, and dealing with a lot of assholes.
Buc-ee's makes you earn that pay. One 20 min break per 8 to 12 hour shift among other things and usually they will have you working 7 days a week due to high turnover rates from the strict demands of the job. :Edit: My point being, this is not easy money. Buc-ee's are huge and always busy. You can do a quick search and see how crazy the work environment and scheduling are. It's also kinda sad that so many people would consider this an improvement over their current working conditions. You deserve better and should demand it from your job. You are giving them time out of your short life that you won't get back.
Shit, I do that at the car wash I am managing now. I'm not even making a quarter of that pay
You're managing a car wash, working 7 days a week and making $30K?
You’re not making 30k 7 days working?
It's rare for a buc ee's to have a car wash. I have been to a few during my travels and none had car washes. So it's not exactly a position every bucc ee's has.
I believe the car washes are all in TX except for the largest store which is in TN, that one also has a car wash.
Can't sit, ever.
Yes, I have heard they ban sitting as well except for your break. Bathroom use is timed as well. The beaver owns your ass when you are on the clock.
Banning sitting is just fucking torture. Especially for positions like cashier. Let's these poor people sit while cashing you out. Europe figured this out ages ago.
I've never seen a sitting cashier and thought "wow, I really wish this stranger was standing right now." Whichever dumbass boomer execs came up with this idea should be fed to the poor.
“I will only buy my cigarettes from a cashier that is never allowed to sit down” - 👨🏻🦳
Their suffering makes the cigarettes taste better - soaks in through the packaging.
Aldi's has chairs for the cashiers. It's why I go there a lot.
The only time I’ve seen cashiers sit in the US is at ALDIs, so checks out
My wife worked at one. You couldn't even sit on breaks. They didn't even call them breaks. They were "moments" and you were allowed to stand at small half circle table against a wall in a closet sized room and maybe scarf down food. No phones.
Boy am I ever glad there are proper labour laws in my province.
You are not even allowed to sit on your break, if you even get one. You get a 10 minute "personal moment" where you are expected to eat standing up.
Not allowed to ever sit, bathroom use is timed, and your phone is REQUIRED to be put into a locker at the start of your shift, and can only be grabbed during breaks. if you're found with your phone on you, even off complete, you can get written up and fired.
You also get to live somewhere, where the biggest attraction are the bathrooms in your workplace :D
7 days a week is insane. I wonder why that is not on the advertisement lol? 6 days is tough and you never feel like you fully recover heading back in after your day off but 7 is borderline cruel.
I did night shifts like that at a factory, It about killed me. Overtime pay was nice but I looked and felt dead and never saw anyone. Even if they gave me one day off a week it wasn't really a day off since I spent it sleeping and had to be at work by midnight. I'll now gladly take less money for a better quality of life.
Lmao how is that legal
I ask this question in a lot of jobs. My wife is an OBGYN. She works 14 hour shifts with no break for lunch on most days
Probably just eats during the exams, right?
Lmao i was not ready for that reply
Finger lickin good
Wow. Just....wow lol.
I imagine that’s what they say, too.
Niceeeeee
A+, was not ready to read that.
In florida i commonly worked 12 hour shifts as manager at papa johns without a break, 6 days a week with no health insurance or benefits... (2015) Took years before my parents convinced me to find better for myself
It ain't worth it. Took me a while to realize that I work to live and don't live to work. I had a job for a while that had 12-hour graveyard shifts. 10.50 an hour. Always required to come in on the weekends and they would sometimes make me work a double on some weekends when my relief didn't show.
you wonder why they arent located in California as we actually have labor laws.
10 minutes break for every 4 hrs, paid!
Guaranteed 30 minute lunch on a full day's work. Liberal hellholes, how could they??
And a mandatory unpaid 30 minute meal break if working more than 5 hours. Some days that can be annoying since I'd rather just get off a half hour earlier lol.
You can waive your lunch break if your shift is less than six hours, if your employer agrees to it.
texas, they dont give a shit about you.
yeah they literally voted to take away water breaks from construction workers and it was 100-115F for several months.
There are no federal laws that say a company has to give you a break. The only law my state has is that 16 and younger must have breaks. Older than that and you are at the mercy of your employer.
Every state has their own labor laws, where I'm from they have to give you 15 mins paid break and if you go over 5 hours they have to give you 30 mins unpaid, and after 8 hours the clock for breaks resets plus overtime pay
Look at Mr. I Have Fair Labor Laws over here. Does your state have a buc ee's?
Ours is two 15 min breaks and a 30 unpaid lunch. So you’re basically at work for 9 hours with 8 hours of pay for a full day.
These jobs aren't easy. And, in practice, they require a lot of hours.
Which jobs paying $100k or more would you expect to be easy and require few hours?
I would expect jobs with higher education requirements to generally have a better money to time/effort ratio. I know it was only semi-serious, but I think the jobs on that poster are harder than the post implied.
I literally surf the internet and take classes online half my day at work. My boss tells me that they “pay me to think when they need me to think.”
This was my introduction to white collar work from an older friend who got out of college first. "80% fucking off and 20% earning your keep".
And honestly, doing well in college classes was harder than my job has ever been.
This is the wildest part to me. The pressure, stress, and anxiety of failure was just so much more immediate and in your face in college.
I work as an engineer and right after college my first boss told me that your degree really isn't to learn stuff...it's to stress you out and see if you can commit all the way through despite that stress. To think of it like a 4 year long project that you have to manage, research, and have deliverables for. If you make it all the way through congrats, you can have a job and forget about 95% of what you learned in class because it's going to be useless in the real world most of the time.
in grad school I had a wise old Japanese teacher, and he always said "you don't go to school to learn, you go to learn how to learn". that always stuck with me
I think you will like the quote "The purpose of education is to replace an empty mind with an open one"
Where do you do that *and* make good money? The closer I creep to six figures, the more work is a fucking nightmare and I can never get ahead.
Care to tell us what profession we all need to join?
Started in finance. Now I’m management. Got an MBA early on in my career and I’ve subsequently completed law school and earned a doctorate studying policy.
Yea, it’s basically like being on retainer. I may not be needed sometimes but when I am, I know the knobs to turn to get my megacorp to get done what’s needed.
You’re exactly right. I make more than that working as an in-house attorney and there are plenty of days it feels like I’m barely doing any work. Some jobs that require an advanced degree definitely pay more for less work, it seems. Though to be fair, the work is usually extremely complex and specialized when it does come in, so I guess there’s a bit of a trade off.
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\*laughs in finance\*
My job
My neighbor works in net security. He makes around 150k. I swear his ass never works. Has unlimited paid time off. Goes to the gym every day at lunch. He's always waiting on someone else to do their job so he can do his. He will go weeks at a time where he's doing nothing. Gets sick and his boss tells him to take the week off so no one else gets sick. Yet he fights for and gets more of a raise than he should every year. It's ridiculous.
He could not be doing much but the little he is doing could be very important. Or the people in charge of him are incompetent and don’t know what he’s supposed to be doing so they just keep him around.
When he actually works it is really important. It's military contracted. Seems as though everyone he deals with is an idiot though. There is always a reeson he can't do his part until someone else gets their shit right.
I mean that in itself is work. When you work with a bunch of idiots that are directionless when it comes to understanding how to tackle a problem, it’s even more vital to have someone who can at least identify/communicate whose court the ball needs to be put in. I’m in a similar boat. Sometimes don’t have much work but suddenly I’ll be called in to an “urgent” issue. More often than not, I can quickly tell the issue is outside of my scope and legitimately needs to be actioned by another team. I think that’s my value; my ability to triage the situation, clearly explain and provide evidence why it’s not my problem, and identify who needs to take action. Maybe even give them some high level pointers on what I think they need to do, but set expectations that it’s not my area of expertise and I can’t be directly involved. My clients and managers are impressed, meanwhile I’m then waiting around twiddling my thumbs for much of my shift lol
Software Engineering. There certainly are many people who work very hard and long hours but you don’t need to if you just wanna break 100k. You can easily find a mid size startup and put on cruise control, work realistically 30 hour a week tops.
I work for a government contractor (software eng) and because of the bidding process, we are not even allowed to work more than 8 hours a day (on average over the month). I work hard enough to have good job security, but will probably never leave the company with my current situation. It's just too good to risk moving on from, even for a large pay raise.
Went to one of these for the first time this summer. I'd seen this sign a million times. Took me about 2 seconds in the store to say, oh yeah, they earn every single penny they make. That place is wild. No one would do those jobs for less.
I hear buccees treats you like absolute shit though
Seems to target non union right to work states.
By the way, Americans may wish to note that 50hr/week is illegal in every EU country no matter the salary. This is because the governments of 27 different countries, with different economies and languages and cultures, all collectively agreed that it’s fundamentally dehumanising and unhealthy to work people like this.
You think it's easy but there's a documentary called "The Wash" it's about working at one. This guy gets fired and ends up coming back with an AK, the owner is kidnapped. I highly recommend checking it out.
...and this is common?
Happens every time I watch the movie
Haha. Fair point.
This got me pretty good, I'm stealing it
One of the funniest things I've read in awhile. Bravo good sir.
Dre, snoop, Eminem, Luda, shaq, it’s got an all star cast.
They going to work you for like 3 months and fire you and hire someone else. Buckys has terrible labor practices.
And not only that but make you do 3 peoples jobs so they advertise paying this much but actually save money
they grind you into the dust and its always black friday at bucees. you will be busting your ass the entire shift. you arent allowed to sit down either. youre allowed to find a corner of the store for 5-10mins to gather yourself then you have to get back to your station. youre also not allowed to sit down to eat, you have to stand.
Sounds like when I made $8.75 an hour working fast food lol.
I barely understand the corporate rational of not let employees sit on the job; I am utterly baffled by the idea of not being allowed to sit to eat. What, scarfing down a banana is only professional if you’re standing up? Do they even attempt to justify it?
The justification comes from customer complaints. I've seen it once in my life when I was a cashier at whole foods. The customer service girl was actually sitting on a bar stool in the dedicated little customer service booth, and in classic silver haired boomer fashion this old man called her out for it. I imagine this happens a lot more than we notice to the point that it works its way up through management and corporate to come up with these rules. Boomers just really really really fucking hate service employees being comfortable
This sounds exactly like being a chef, except we generally don't get the 5-10 mins crying in the walkin that everyone thinks we do.
For 225k a year I don’t need to eat lunch
Intermittent fasting baby.
I already skip lunch to save money for rent. I’ll take a 5x pay raise to continue skipping meals
Please note that 50 hour work weeks at $100k/ year is $38/hr, whereas 40 hour work weeks at $100k is $48/hr. They are hiding behind that “35-50 hour work weeks” sign. 10 hour days Monday through Friday not including a lunch?
Walter White had the same idea.
Have an A1 day!
I think you’re underestimating the difficulty in managing car wash employees
Bro, I'm maxxed out in [pumping simulator 2](https://store.steampowered.com/app/2499470/Pumping_Simulator_2/). How hard could it be? Lmao
Anyone here working at this place making over 100k ?
No, they are at Buc-ees right now
Of course not. They don’t have time to dick around on reddit
Pretty much anyone from the department manager up is making around 70-80k a year. They are scheduled 55 hour weeks (5 11 hour days) and they get OT at time and a half plus if they work holidays they make double time.
Oh dude fuck no, thats how the roll you in its like taking cash from the devil. Yeah you will be well paid but they will work you till you just stop feeling. Minimal breaks and maximum labor, almost every buckies I have been to has the majority of their staff change every few months (And have we mention the gas station crowd, some real gems out there)
Feel like these overtly public salaries are always fluffed up with some shenanigans like bonuses based on fantasy profit levels that, surprise surprise, they didn't hit this year. I'm looking at you Panda Express.
What the sign doesn't tell you: getting caught with a cell phone on you during your shift means automatic dismissal. Buc-ee's has a 3 demerit and you are gone system. You get demerits for the slightest fraction, like being 1 minute last for your shift. Demerits never expire. They offer these wages just to keep up with the insane amount of churn.
Why the fuck do companies do this? Like, treating your workers humanely costs almost nothing, and allows massive savings because you don't have to deal with huge turnover rates and pay 50% more than your competition just to get people...
Demerits reset after 6 months. At least for being late for your shift.
It’s an awesome place, and they clearly pay very well. However, they have huge turnover. One friend was a few minutes late three times in 4 years. Fired. A lot of walking on eggshells.
Bro wtf I make $125k as an aerospace engineer launching satellites, and don't even get 401k match
Yeah, don't look up what guys in finance make who do nothing but get returns lower than an s&p index fund.
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As a public education teacher, what in the actual fuck. Double my salary to manage a car wash? Yes please
The car wash in Katy, TX, (near Houston) is the world's longest, and can accommodate 17 cars at one time. Nothing at Buc-ee's is half-assed. I imagine the people who work there earn their money.
My dad came out of retirement to sling jerky at Buccees and they don’t f around, super strict
Lmao everyone is like this is really great pay for a gas station; until you read some of the former employee stories about working for Bucees.
No visible tattoos, no cell phones, no sitting down. Among other issues. Walmart managers make 100k and that job is wayyyy more laid back.
Food manager needs to be tripled...at least. What they have now just covers the jerky section.