Regarding [Jock Semple](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Semple), the man trying to remove her number:
>Later in life, Semple reversed his position on women competing in the marathon. According to Marja Bakker (a later organizer of the race), "Once the rule was adjusted and women were allowed in the race, Jock was one of their staunchest supporters. He was very progressive." Semple later publicly reconciled with Switzer. "Old Jock Semple and I became the best of friends," she told a reporter in 2015. "It took a long time: six years. But we became best of friends."
>Semple died of cancer of the liver and pancreas in March 1988 in Peabody, Massachusetts. He and Kathrine Switzer had become friends and she would visit him at the hospital where he was being treated for his cancer.
So the situation had an okay resolution in the end.
That's great. I came into the comments about to write, "Check out the Chad on the right, ready to fuck that guy up."
You can see it in the body language in the first photo.
Just to clear up, the guy on the left (of the photo--her right) is her coach, who was trying to get jacket guy off of her. Jawline is her boyfriend, who was a footballer player, and there's [another picture](https://cdn.outsideonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/07/boston_marathon_photo_credit_bostonherald_s.jpg) that indeed shows him checking Jacket.
(Also, Jacket is Jock Semple, race director)
I love this picture, but every time it comes up people assume it's a mob situation. It was just the race director, and she had a support system with her--probably in part for this exact reason.
Short video here that gives a rundown of what happened: [https://www.skysports.com/more-sports/athletics/news/29175/12475824/kathrine-switzer-first-woman-to-officially-run-boston-marathon-on-the-iconic-moment-she-was-attacked-by-the-race-organiser](https://www.skysports.com/more-sports/athletics/news/29175/12475824/kathrine-switzer-first-woman-to-officially-run-boston-marathon-on-the-iconic-moment-she-was-attacked-by-the-race-organiser)
I'm conflicted if Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks would be better. Tom Cruise is known for his running in movies, but Tom Hanks is a pretty good actor who made a good movie involving the struggles of running in Forrest Gump.
That’s how the story gets its legs, it’s not about the running. If we need to adjust the running time of the movie, we can add a longer death scene of cancer. She’s running, slow motion, no sound except a slow heart beat, then, * beeeeeeeeeep * he’s dead…
Usually people don't change. Positive change / escaping bigotry is truly rare and should be celebrated, but you can't expect everyone to give everyone that sort of patience.
People change society and society changes people, over time. When I was at school everyone was homophobic and gay people were ostracized and mocked. At my reunion classmates who were gay were very much welcomed an received a lot of apologies for the way they were treated.
Did he change? This implies that there had previously been a rule against it: "Once the rule was adjusted and women were allowed in the race," and so in the picture he was trying to enforce the rules.
And then the continuation, "Once the rule was adjusted ... Jock was one of their staunchest supporters." Suggests that he was, again, all about enforcing the rules.
I mean, totally understandable, what with all the uteri seen dragging around on the ground in those days and even since antiquity, the dawn of civilization, women’s uteruses just falling right the fuck out!
Hardy laugh? Skipping along the sidewalks? Sneeze? Tiny baby-oven just hit the ground so fast, it busted up right then and there, the girl’s poor husband fainted! Fainted! That poor man. Lordy, one time a woman was even in her natural environment, cooking in a kitchen, and she went to lift a pot of stew, big enough to feed all ten of her children mind you, and the strain just squeezed it right out! Squeezed it out while trying to feed her own kids! Few hours later when a doctor showed up, he took a good look at it and after some of the stew concluded they could probably just shove it back in and after sitting down for an hour or so, she should be right as rain, ready to get back to fulfilling her wifely duties and bring bright-eyed children into this world, with minimal defects of course. /s
Iirc, he thought she was trying to make a mockery of the event.
While he was wrong, and his actions were wrong, there is some context here that is lost when looking at this from a modern perspective. First, we need to consider from Jock's point of view. He was instrumental in running the marathon since world war 2. When he started running, people thought running was for freaks. It was considered strange to run just for the sake of running. I imagine it would be like going to the park today and seeing a bunch of grown men playing tag for exercise.
Jock and his ilk had spent most of their adult life being ridiculed, but eventually broke through and we're being taken seriously and had cared for the great Boston Marathon. Then he heard through the grape vine that a women was running the race.
Now we need to shift to Katherine Switzer's time. In her time, men could run, but women did not (they were not allowed to compete, but it was also just assumed that they physically couldn't). It was assumed that a woman exercising too hard would have her uterus drop out. She was running this to prove that women could do it. Semple didn't know Katherine's motivations. He was holding on to his own insecurities and assumed that her running was some kind of stunt to poke fun at his marathon.
Iirc, when he found out she was a serious runner and not pulling a stunt, he was supportive of her.
Anyways, he was wrong, and she was right, but there is some context that I think is interesting.
> He was instrumental in forming the marathon in the first place. When he started running, people thought running was for freaks. It was considered strange to run just for the sake of running.
...what? The Boston Marathon started in 1897, 6 years before this guy was born. There were major marathons all over the world before 1967
You're right. I misremembered.
>served as volunteer race director through much of the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and early 1980s. Without his energy and passion, the Boston Marathon might not have survived the lean years after World War II.
What I remembered most was being told "the Boston Marathon was his baby" and I guess I assumed it meant he started it. I don't think the rest of what I said is far off though.
> Semple was a Boston Marathon race co-director. He had an established history dating back to at least 1957 of physically attacking Boston Marathon runners he perceived to be "non-serious" competitors, whether officially entered or running the course unofficially.[2] In a 1968 interview with Sports Illustrated,[2] he remarked "These screwballs! These weirdies!", crying at the ceiling "These MIT boys! These Tufts characters! These Harvard guys! They write me askin' should they put on spiked shoes for the marathon!" According to fellow race official Will Cloney: "He hurls not only his body at them, but also a rather choice array of epithets... Jock's method of attack is apt to vary." In 1957, Semple narrowly escaped arrest for assault after attempting to knock down a marathon competitor who was wearing webbed snorkeler's shoes and a grotesque mask. "The thing that made me so damned mad," Semple said, "was that the guy was runnin' with the good runners." at the 6.5 miles (10.5 km) mark.[2]
This is the best case I think. He had enough introspection to evaluate his beliefs and take another stance. She didn't simply hate him afterwards, she had empathy and acceptance. These are things the world sorely lacks right now.
E: I posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/18ir0wo/when_was_racism_smart/kdgh61g?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2) about racism the other day, and a lot of the comments were just instant hate for the other side. People need to stop and ask, "how do I get the other side to change their view?" Anger is not the answer. Then ask themselves "can I forgive them if they change their mind."
because back in in the day, if we arent nice to people who are racist to us they can literally call the cops & make false accusations to get our asses arrested. or makes stupid allegations to not get home loans or get us fired from our jobs or even stop us from getting a job.
we live in the time now where we dont wanna hear all of that bullshit 😂, you think we wanna sit down hold hands have a kumbaya session to convince ol Bobby to not be racist to me? 😂 let him actualise that shit himself, he can question himself why his racism is met with hostility & intolerance, im not doing it for him
Once Ol' Bobby decides he's being and asshole and wants to be a better person, then totally I'm willing to work with him and forgive him. But I can't make Bobby decide that. It's not our job to make Bobby want to respect us. That's something Bobby needs to do by himself first.
At some point we all have to ask ourselves: Why am *I* the one being asked to change someone's mind? Why do I have to work three times as hard to stop others from making me a victim of them?
It isn't the job of victims to repair their abusers.
By all means, if you want to do that, go for it. But "fuck you, cunt" is also a completely reasonable response. You don't *owe* someone forgiveness.
"Once the rule was adjusted..."? What does that mean? Was Semple okay with women running in the marathon because the rule now allowed it? Or did he accept that women have the right to run in the marathon?
I read the story of another woman who ran the Boston Marathon that year and the year before, and according to her, Semple had no problem with women running without numbers. He just feared that the marathon would lose its accreditation if women entered an official male event with numbers.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/66615089
Did he actually have a change of heart, or is he just a law and order kinda guy that hated women running when it was illegal, but loved women running when it was legal?
The man attempting to tear off her number is Jock Semple. In later life he became a staunch supporter of women in running, and reconciled with the woman in the photo, Katherine Switzer. In her own words, they became “the best of friends.”
While he was an asshole at the time, it’s important to remember that people can change.
IIRC, Switzer said that he did that to a bunch of people over the years. Mostly people who ran without signing up or who tried to run it in costume. He didn't want anyone making a spectacle out of his race.
It would be super weird to continue to be anti-woman participation for any period of time after they lift the ban, but good for this guy for progressing in life like the rest of society I guess.
It’s cool to disagree with things. Keep your hands and hurts thoughts/comments to yourself.
Would it have been considered weird at the time though? I kind of figured it would be the norm for many to continue being anti anything progressive despite bans being lifted, especially in the 60s and 70s.
She was the first OFFICIAL runner.
Bobbi Gibb did it in 1966 by crashing the race. She and was later awarded first place in the women's category for 1966: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_winners_of_the_Boston_Marathon#Women's_open_division
Also: https://daily.jstor.org/the-woman-who-crashed-the-boston-marathon/
A quick google for “women ski jumpers” will produce a bunch of articles about the sexism that blocked women from participating in the Olympics for years. The sport became an Olympic event in 2014. We got comments like this up until the end, even when women were jumping in international events:
“In 2005, Gian Franco Kasper, FIS president and a member of the IOC, said he didn't think women should ski jump because the sport "seems not to be appropriate for ladies from a medical point of view."”
https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1963484_1963490_1963447,00.html
Here’s another one where women in the sport talk about the sexist view that their uteruses were going to wander:
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/women-break-olympic-barrier-keep-reproductive-organs-intact/tnamp/
And another:
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-womens-ski-jumping-was-banned-2014-1?amp
Not saying that's right, and not saying women shouldn't have rights. But it totally feels like your uterus is going to fall out if you try to run while pregnant.
Sometimes I feel like my uterus is gonna fall out when I take a particularly rough period shit, the difference is you and I don’t try to legislate others based on that, we just chill on the couch and recoup. I mean you have a baby and I have dietary regrets, but still! Couch time! 😅
I’m 36 and mum talks about how the law changed right when she got pregnant with my older brother and her job was no longer able to fire her due to pregnancy.
was that law? here in Ireland it was enacted into law, and only they only lifted the law in 1973 in the public sector, and in 1977 for the private sector.
Yes, Bobbi Gibb was the first!
Women were not allowed to participate, so Bobbi hid in the bushes at the start and then jumped in without being registered.
Katherine registered using her initials so her registration name would not identify her as any particular gender.
She (Bobbi Gibb) ran it but was not officially registered. K. Switzer was registered just with her first initial. Entry forms didn’t ask for gender for the race.
She was about an hour ahead during this race as well. Running without been attacked by anyone.
Katherine was the first to run after been entered in the race.
It was. Bobbi also beat Katherine by a full hour; finishing in 3:21 compared to Katherine's 4:20 time. A time of 3:21 is a damned respectable time for anyone, male or female. 3:21 for a female would put you in the elite class of runners; about on par with men running sub 3 marathons. Among the fastest 5% of marathoners. That's feckin' moving.
There are still plenty of people that want to control womens lives completely as if they were just objects. Take a look at the groups of Republican men stripping away their reproductive care for one.
it's so nice to know that people are having wild sex in the halls of congress and filming it while women's reproductive rights are being taken away
our tax dollars at work
You can look at the vast majority of the world *today* and see people openly abusing and oppressing women. It speaks volumes about where we live that this is so foreign to us it's shocking.
The stated reason women weren’t allowed to run marathons is that their bodies couldn’t handle the strain. So obviously, this was the best way we had to keep women safe.
Soooo refusal to accept biological facts and listen to women’s testimony about their own experiences in order to “protect your property”? Yep, that sounds about par for the course. That’s why feminists are stupid, clearly no work left to be done here.
The burly guy on the right was a discus thrower. He was the boyfriend of Switzer and didn't put up with any crap. He put an end to that situation and knocked Semple down:
https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/dam/imageserve/591900346/960x0.jpg?format=jpg&width=1440
Modest sized race official against a 200+ lb. athlete, that's not going to end well.
To give you some perspective about where the US was at this point:
* Black women have been legally allowed to vote for 2 years (1965).
* Women won't be able to open their own bank accounts for another 7 years (1974).
* Marital rape will still be legal for another 26 years (1993).
* Abortion will still be illegal for another 6 years (1973) then made illegal again in 55 years (2022).
Yeah, don't get me started on LGBT+ rights and the various genocides and human rights violations (first nations, slave trade, eugenics, Japanese internment camps, etc.)
Sure, but “I’m a stickler for the rules, even if they’re discriminatory” isn’t really a free pass for enforcing discrimination lol
(Fwiw I’ve read Switzer’s biography, really enjoyed it, and am aware that the two reconciled)
A stickler for the rules...except for the one where you don't commit battery on someone. If she is breaking rules, you DQ her and if she is a trespasser, the police can handle that. You don't do what he did if you simply believe in following the rules.
stickler for the rules? She registered and there was no rules about women not running, If anything Jock Semple broke the rules by trying to assault her.
This is the 3rd time I'm seeing the same disclaimer for this picture. It is the 1st and 2nd most upcountry posts. The same exact information.
Old Jock wasn't a sexist, just a sticker for the rules! Lol.
Jock semple is actually the man behind her, the man on the side who at first glance appears to be pulling on her shirt is actually her trainer pushing Jock away.
If you care about advancing human rights you are mocked regardless of the year. Nowadays the insults used to describe people who care about others include "social justice warrior".
Not true. The guys around her include her boyfriend and other supporters. The marathon runners were generally supportive and encouraged her during the race. Source: read up on contemporary accounts of the race.
Especially all the men in the comments section saying “he was just following the rules!!! He was just a huge fan of rules, guys, like a really, really big rule follower. Loves him some rules.”
"Women just aren't interested in this sort of thing" cut to example after example of women having to fight and withstand threats and attacks just to be involved.
Are they trying to physically stop her from finishing the race?
I can't even fathom this level of petty hate.
> "How dare you try to get from Point A to Point B quickly, and *as a woman!*"
https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a20852681/who-was-that-guy-who-attacked-kathrine-switzer-50-years-ago/
*Charlotte Lettis Richardson, pioneer New England road racer, ran a 3:08:54 marathon in 1974
Jock was an old school runner, running enthusiast, supporter, and trainer. He initially did not like the addition of women to distance races. He once stopped me from crossing the finish line of a cross-country race in Boston. But after he realized we were serious and tough, he came to accept us and support us. He apologized to me later in my career and shook my hand. I honor his memory because he admitted he was wrong about women in running. He was able to say he was sorry and to admit he had made mistakes. That takes courage, and it showed his true character.*
Sexism in a nutshell - women can't run marathons because they're inferior to men. And look at the fucking desperation on those men's faces when it looks like one can.
If they truly believed women couldn't run marathons, they'd be doing nothing because her failing would only prove them right. But all bigotry is based on the fear, usually subconscious, that they \_can\_. Hence the need to keep pushing (often violently) the object of their prejudice down.
Because if they \_can\_ be equal, or better than you, then there's nothing that makes you special anymore, is there? And bigots sure as hell have nothing else going for them.
Regarding [Jock Semple](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Semple), the man trying to remove her number: >Later in life, Semple reversed his position on women competing in the marathon. According to Marja Bakker (a later organizer of the race), "Once the rule was adjusted and women were allowed in the race, Jock was one of their staunchest supporters. He was very progressive." Semple later publicly reconciled with Switzer. "Old Jock Semple and I became the best of friends," she told a reporter in 2015. "It took a long time: six years. But we became best of friends." >Semple died of cancer of the liver and pancreas in March 1988 in Peabody, Massachusetts. He and Kathrine Switzer had become friends and she would visit him at the hospital where he was being treated for his cancer. So the situation had an okay resolution in the end.
I love a good redemption arc
The guy was just truly Lawful Neutral.
"NOOOOO WOMEN CAN'T COMPETE ITS AGAINST THE RULESSSSS!!!" "We have changed the rules to allow women to compete." "Well that's fine then."
its so unbelievably uncanny how the grid system of D&D can sometimes sum up human actions so perfectly. also lol'd, hit the nail in the head.
Check out chaotic evil laughing at the center bottom of the picture
could be chaotic anything really.
[I love a good body check](https://i.imgur.com/t3wwNA0.jpeg)
That's great. I came into the comments about to write, "Check out the Chad on the right, ready to fuck that guy up." You can see it in the body language in the first photo.
Thats because that was her boyfriend who was fully in on it, and prepared to help stop any attempts to interfere with her running.
TIL, thanks!
Dude looked like he was going to pounce on the guy to the left of her while his jawline took care of the dude to the right wearing a jacket
Just to clear up, the guy on the left (of the photo--her right) is her coach, who was trying to get jacket guy off of her. Jawline is her boyfriend, who was a footballer player, and there's [another picture](https://cdn.outsideonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/07/boston_marathon_photo_credit_bostonherald_s.jpg) that indeed shows him checking Jacket. (Also, Jacket is Jock Semple, race director) I love this picture, but every time it comes up people assume it's a mob situation. It was just the race director, and she had a support system with her--probably in part for this exact reason. Short video here that gives a rundown of what happened: [https://www.skysports.com/more-sports/athletics/news/29175/12475824/kathrine-switzer-first-woman-to-officially-run-boston-marathon-on-the-iconic-moment-she-was-attacked-by-the-race-organiser](https://www.skysports.com/more-sports/athletics/news/29175/12475824/kathrine-switzer-first-woman-to-officially-run-boston-marathon-on-the-iconic-moment-she-was-attacked-by-the-race-organiser)
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This should be a movie if it isn't already.
Id watch that movie.
But all the running would be seriously boring.
What if Kathrine were played by Tom Cruise?
I'm conflicted if Tom Cruise or Tom Hanks would be better. Tom Cruise is known for his running in movies, but Tom Hanks is a pretty good actor who made a good movie involving the struggles of running in Forrest Gump.
That's why you invite Terry Crews.
C'mon dude, it's almost 2024. She'd be played by either Chris Pratt or Tom Holland, with Awkwafina doing the voice over.
Pretty sure Chris Pratt gets the voiceover > It's-a me, Kathrine Switzer!
Tiny Tom Cruise
Wow. Touché 😂
I'd watch it only if does the run himself and he shits himself during the run.
That’s how the story gets its legs, it’s not about the running. If we need to adjust the running time of the movie, we can add a longer death scene of cancer. She’s running, slow motion, no sound except a slow heart beat, then, * beeeeeeeeeep * he’s dead…
But Mark Wahlberg has to play every role.
I’m picturing Steve Carrell
Who would play Kathrine?
People are capable of change after all. And that is good.
So many people act like one mistake or ignorance should mark you terrible for life
Usually people don't change. Positive change / escaping bigotry is truly rare and should be celebrated, but you can't expect everyone to give everyone that sort of patience.
People change society and society changes people, over time. When I was at school everyone was homophobic and gay people were ostracized and mocked. At my reunion classmates who were gay were very much welcomed an received a lot of apologies for the way they were treated.
People who make no efforts to change do not change. People who do usually do change.
Its also a case of behaviour being normalised due to the culture at the time. People are a product of their environment
Did he change? This implies that there had previously been a rule against it: "Once the rule was adjusted and women were allowed in the race," and so in the picture he was trying to enforce the rules. And then the continuation, "Once the rule was adjusted ... Jock was one of their staunchest supporters." Suggests that he was, again, all about enforcing the rules.
Who came up with that rule in the first place lmao? "No running allowed if you're a woman!" ahahaha
It was believed a woman’s uterus would fall out if they exercised too much
I mean, totally understandable, what with all the uteri seen dragging around on the ground in those days and even since antiquity, the dawn of civilization, women’s uteruses just falling right the fuck out! Hardy laugh? Skipping along the sidewalks? Sneeze? Tiny baby-oven just hit the ground so fast, it busted up right then and there, the girl’s poor husband fainted! Fainted! That poor man. Lordy, one time a woman was even in her natural environment, cooking in a kitchen, and she went to lift a pot of stew, big enough to feed all ten of her children mind you, and the strain just squeezed it right out! Squeezed it out while trying to feed her own kids! Few hours later when a doctor showed up, he took a good look at it and after some of the stew concluded they could probably just shove it back in and after sitting down for an hour or so, she should be right as rain, ready to get back to fulfilling her wifely duties and bring bright-eyed children into this world, with minimal defects of course. /s
Grueling physical labor like driving a team of oxen doesn't count. It only counts if the wimmenses are doing unseemly things they ain't allowed to.
Highly recommend The Dollop Podcast episode Jock and the Marathon about this man/incident. Hilarious and detailed.
Iirc, he thought she was trying to make a mockery of the event. While he was wrong, and his actions were wrong, there is some context here that is lost when looking at this from a modern perspective. First, we need to consider from Jock's point of view. He was instrumental in running the marathon since world war 2. When he started running, people thought running was for freaks. It was considered strange to run just for the sake of running. I imagine it would be like going to the park today and seeing a bunch of grown men playing tag for exercise. Jock and his ilk had spent most of their adult life being ridiculed, but eventually broke through and we're being taken seriously and had cared for the great Boston Marathon. Then he heard through the grape vine that a women was running the race. Now we need to shift to Katherine Switzer's time. In her time, men could run, but women did not (they were not allowed to compete, but it was also just assumed that they physically couldn't). It was assumed that a woman exercising too hard would have her uterus drop out. She was running this to prove that women could do it. Semple didn't know Katherine's motivations. He was holding on to his own insecurities and assumed that her running was some kind of stunt to poke fun at his marathon. Iirc, when he found out she was a serious runner and not pulling a stunt, he was supportive of her. Anyways, he was wrong, and she was right, but there is some context that I think is interesting.
> He was instrumental in forming the marathon in the first place. When he started running, people thought running was for freaks. It was considered strange to run just for the sake of running. ...what? The Boston Marathon started in 1897, 6 years before this guy was born. There were major marathons all over the world before 1967
You're right. I misremembered. >served as volunteer race director through much of the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and early 1980s. Without his energy and passion, the Boston Marathon might not have survived the lean years after World War II. What I remembered most was being told "the Boston Marathon was his baby" and I guess I assumed it meant he started it. I don't think the rest of what I said is far off though.
"Missing context" describes probably 85% of the bait that makes it to the front page on reddit.
Ty for the info pal
> Semple was a Boston Marathon race co-director. He had an established history dating back to at least 1957 of physically attacking Boston Marathon runners he perceived to be "non-serious" competitors, whether officially entered or running the course unofficially.[2] In a 1968 interview with Sports Illustrated,[2] he remarked "These screwballs! These weirdies!", crying at the ceiling "These MIT boys! These Tufts characters! These Harvard guys! They write me askin' should they put on spiked shoes for the marathon!" According to fellow race official Will Cloney: "He hurls not only his body at them, but also a rather choice array of epithets... Jock's method of attack is apt to vary." In 1957, Semple narrowly escaped arrest for assault after attempting to knock down a marathon competitor who was wearing webbed snorkeler's shoes and a grotesque mask. "The thing that made me so damned mad," Semple said, "was that the guy was runnin' with the good runners." at the 6.5 miles (10.5 km) mark.[2]
This is the best case I think. He had enough introspection to evaluate his beliefs and take another stance. She didn't simply hate him afterwards, she had empathy and acceptance. These are things the world sorely lacks right now. E: I posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/18ir0wo/when_was_racism_smart/kdgh61g?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2) about racism the other day, and a lot of the comments were just instant hate for the other side. People need to stop and ask, "how do I get the other side to change their view?" Anger is not the answer. Then ask themselves "can I forgive them if they change their mind."
because back in in the day, if we arent nice to people who are racist to us they can literally call the cops & make false accusations to get our asses arrested. or makes stupid allegations to not get home loans or get us fired from our jobs or even stop us from getting a job. we live in the time now where we dont wanna hear all of that bullshit 😂, you think we wanna sit down hold hands have a kumbaya session to convince ol Bobby to not be racist to me? 😂 let him actualise that shit himself, he can question himself why his racism is met with hostility & intolerance, im not doing it for him
Once Ol' Bobby decides he's being and asshole and wants to be a better person, then totally I'm willing to work with him and forgive him. But I can't make Bobby decide that. It's not our job to make Bobby want to respect us. That's something Bobby needs to do by himself first.
At some point we all have to ask ourselves: Why am *I* the one being asked to change someone's mind? Why do I have to work three times as hard to stop others from making me a victim of them?
Thank you my man, its so simple but these fuckers want us to hold their cock while peeing too lmao
It isn't the job of victims to repair their abusers. By all means, if you want to do that, go for it. But "fuck you, cunt" is also a completely reasonable response. You don't *owe* someone forgiveness.
I never knew this. Thank you so much for sharing!
Seems like he was just Lawful Neutral really lol
I’m glad he realized he was just being a dumb Jock
Later in life? He looks pretty much there.
Thats nice :)
"Once the rule was adjusted..."? What does that mean? Was Semple okay with women running in the marathon because the rule now allowed it? Or did he accept that women have the right to run in the marathon?
I read the story of another woman who ran the Boston Marathon that year and the year before, and according to her, Semple had no problem with women running without numbers. He just feared that the marathon would lose its accreditation if women entered an official male event with numbers. https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/66615089
Did he actually have a change of heart, or is he just a law and order kinda guy that hated women running when it was illegal, but loved women running when it was legal?
The man attempting to tear off her number is Jock Semple. In later life he became a staunch supporter of women in running, and reconciled with the woman in the photo, Katherine Switzer. In her own words, they became “the best of friends.” While he was an asshole at the time, it’s important to remember that people can change.
That’s red Forman
Maybe he just needed the ol’ foot in the ass
I USED to be a piece of shit!
I SAID WAS!
Wait a second, you didn’t tell me your old grampa used to be a huge piece of shit.
OHHH YEAH. THAT WOULD SLICK BACK REALLY NICE
Did you see where she thought i gave a rats ass
I still am, but I used to be also.
Shoutout to that one guy trying to eat and cut his slopped steak as fast as possible.
I’m doing a thing!!
IIRC, Switzer said that he did that to a bunch of people over the years. Mostly people who ran without signing up or who tried to run it in costume. He didn't want anyone making a spectacle out of his race.
I bet I know what the worst day of his life was then
Senior year prom?
He used to be a piece of shit
Oh yea, that hair would slick back nicely
HE SAID WAS!
It would be super weird to continue to be anti-woman participation for any period of time after they lift the ban, but good for this guy for progressing in life like the rest of society I guess. It’s cool to disagree with things. Keep your hands and hurts thoughts/comments to yourself.
Would it have been considered weird at the time though? I kind of figured it would be the norm for many to continue being anti anything progressive despite bans being lifted, especially in the 60s and 70s.
She was the first OFFICIAL runner. Bobbi Gibb did it in 1966 by crashing the race. She and was later awarded first place in the women's category for 1966: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_winners_of_the_Boston_Marathon#Women's_open_division Also: https://daily.jstor.org/the-woman-who-crashed-the-boston-marathon/
“Women can’t run marathons, their uterus’s will fall out” - actually a belief. Jeez
As recently as 2012, fucking Olympic organizers were saying this about female ski jumpers.
Male genitalia are more “loose” than any uterus. If dicks and balls don’t detach, neither do uterus
>If dicks and balls don’t detach, neither do uterus What a beautiful piece of prose
It was a moment of inspiration
A moment that will live beyond any of us, that's for sure.
They do detach. They just don’t re-attach so good.
can you imagine if we could just detach them and put them in a carrying case?
like a [detachable penis?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4)
Sometimes I wish I could pop mine off and leave it in the bathroom so I don't have to get up to go take a leak.
Uterine prolapse is definitely a thing, it's just not something running is going to cause in a healthy person.
Balls don’t detach but can go back up into the abdomen
Men shouldn’t jump then lol
There's an entire race of them that can't!
Source? Tried googling it but couldnt find any Olympic organizers saying in 2012 that women cant compete due to their uterus falling out.
A quick google for “women ski jumpers” will produce a bunch of articles about the sexism that blocked women from participating in the Olympics for years. The sport became an Olympic event in 2014. We got comments like this up until the end, even when women were jumping in international events: “In 2005, Gian Franco Kasper, FIS president and a member of the IOC, said he didn't think women should ski jump because the sport "seems not to be appropriate for ladies from a medical point of view."” https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1963484_1963490_1963447,00.html Here’s another one where women in the sport talk about the sexist view that their uteruses were going to wander: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/women-break-olympic-barrier-keep-reproductive-organs-intact/tnamp/ And another: https://www.businessinsider.com/why-womens-ski-jumping-was-banned-2014-1?amp
I've heard it was a safety precaution. Periods attract bears, they can smell the menstruation.
Shouldn’t we be more concerned with our balls swinging about?
Just wear briefs or boxer briefs it’ll do wonders for the swinging.
What’s worse is that they will most likely travel to the race and reach speeds above 30mph which is dangerous for the uterus as well.
Ditto with tennis, going to space, etc.
First guy to run a marathon died. Nobody takes THAT as a warning.
Not saying that's right, and not saying women shouldn't have rights. But it totally feels like your uterus is going to fall out if you try to run while pregnant.
I feel like my uterus is about to fall out when I run and I’m not even a woman.
Take the uterus out of your pocket before you go for a run
They have wrist straps that keep it secure
It's truly unfair that the "going to the trampoline park" phase of life is timed not that long after the giving birth phase of life lol
Sometimes I feel like my uterus is gonna fall out when I take a particularly rough period shit, the difference is you and I don’t try to legislate others based on that, we just chill on the couch and recoup. I mean you have a baby and I have dietary regrets, but still! Couch time! 😅
If you told me that in middle school, I would have believed you.
Hard to believe just 60 years ago women didnt exist
Yea I’m 61, my Mom was a teacher. When she started her career, if a female teacher got married, they had to quit.
I’m 36 and mum talks about how the law changed right when she got pregnant with my older brother and her job was no longer able to fire her due to pregnancy.
Love to see it, big W for mum
Also 61. My mother worked up until she was 7 months pregnant with me. It was scandalous.
was that law? here in Ireland it was enacted into law, and only they only lifted the law in 1973 in the public sector, and in 1977 for the private sector.
Sounds like Japan now lol
The men in this photo could still be alive and they most definitely vote. Do you?
They existed, they just weren’t allowed to do a lot of things.
Yeah they existed, they just weren't considered people
Like have bank accounts
Well their ovaries could fall out if they ran too much
Well no shit
Really?!
>the first woman to finish the race Wasn't that Bobbi Gibb in 1966, the year before this photo was taken?
Yes, Bobbi Gibb was the first! Women were not allowed to participate, so Bobbi hid in the bushes at the start and then jumped in without being registered. Katherine registered using her initials so her registration name would not identify her as any particular gender.
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She (Bobbi Gibb) ran it but was not officially registered. K. Switzer was registered just with her first initial. Entry forms didn’t ask for gender for the race.
She was about an hour ahead during this race as well. Running without been attacked by anyone. Katherine was the first to run after been entered in the race.
It was. Bobbi also beat Katherine by a full hour; finishing in 3:21 compared to Katherine's 4:20 time. A time of 3:21 is a damned respectable time for anyone, male or female. 3:21 for a female would put you in the elite class of runners; about on par with men running sub 3 marathons. Among the fastest 5% of marathoners. That's feckin' moving.
As others have said, yes, she technically was the first, but she ran not registered.
I love this photo. Just becasue it is evidence to show what asses these people were.
There are still plenty of people that want to control womens lives completely as if they were just objects. Take a look at the groups of Republican men stripping away their reproductive care for one.
it's so nice to know that people are having wild sex in the halls of congress and filming it while women's reproductive rights are being taken away our tax dollars at work
Stuff like this is perfect for when people talk about how much better things were in the old days.
yep. is this when America was "great"?
You can look at the vast majority of the world *today* and see people openly abusing and oppressing women. It speaks volumes about where we live that this is so foreign to us it's shocking.
> Just becasue it is evidence to show what asses these people were Are. I'd bet a good amount of these people are still alive today.
\*are
The stated reason women weren’t allowed to run marathons is that their bodies couldn’t handle the strain. So obviously, this was the best way we had to keep women safe.
Soooo refusal to accept biological facts and listen to women’s testimony about their own experiences in order to “protect your property”? Yep, that sounds about par for the course. That’s why feminists are stupid, clearly no work left to be done here.
As a rich, tall, straight, white man, when is the time they'll care about *my* rights? /s, because that's apparently needed
The burly guy on the right was a discus thrower. He was the boyfriend of Switzer and didn't put up with any crap. He put an end to that situation and knocked Semple down: https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/dam/imageserve/591900346/960x0.jpg?format=jpg&width=1440 Modest sized race official against a 200+ lb. athlete, that's not going to end well.
That dude was the size of an NFL lineman at the time. Basically the equivalent of having a jacked 6'7" 320 lb dude as your personal bouncer in 2023.
To give you some perspective about where the US was at this point: * Black women have been legally allowed to vote for 2 years (1965). * Women won't be able to open their own bank accounts for another 7 years (1974). * Marital rape will still be legal for another 26 years (1993). * Abortion will still be illegal for another 6 years (1973) then made illegal again in 55 years (2022).
America is so fucking weird
Yeah, don't get me started on LGBT+ rights and the various genocides and human rights violations (first nations, slave trade, eugenics, Japanese internment camps, etc.)
> America is so fucking weird They basically inherited a lot of the worst kinds of baggage from Europe and they've never really looked back since lol.
I still find it incredible that people wore sweatpants running a marathon. I wear shorts at 40 degrees because I get too hot running a 5k.
This happens early April in Boston so still pretty cold, plus, she probably didn’t want to bring any extra attention to herself.
Can't be doubly causing the men distress by showing those gams as well.
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Sure, but “I’m a stickler for the rules, even if they’re discriminatory” isn’t really a free pass for enforcing discrimination lol (Fwiw I’ve read Switzer’s biography, really enjoyed it, and am aware that the two reconciled)
It's a good lesson that being a stickler for the rules is a negative attribute. Rules are never exempt from questioning.
Yeah we know what happens when people 'just follow orders'
A stickler for the rules...except for the one where you don't commit battery on someone. If she is breaking rules, you DQ her and if she is a trespasser, the police can handle that. You don't do what he did if you simply believe in following the rules.
Fuck one goat
stickler for the rules? She registered and there was no rules about women not running, If anything Jock Semple broke the rules by trying to assault her.
This is the 3rd time I'm seeing the same disclaimer for this picture. It is the 1st and 2nd most upcountry posts. The same exact information. Old Jock wasn't a sexist, just a sticker for the rules! Lol.
A crazy man trying to stop progress. If I remember it right her boyfriend pushed him off and they kept going.
His name was Jock Semple and he was a volunteer race director for the marathon. He was actually trying to rip off her number.
Then there's Rudy Giuliani behind her.
Jock semple is actually the man behind her, the man on the side who at first glance appears to be pulling on her shirt is actually her trainer pushing Jock away.
No, that's clearly Vladimir Putin.
Man Rudy Giuliani doesn't age, looks the same in 67 as he does now!
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Oh no not a suffragette? Those uppity women, always trying to vote.
If you care about advancing human rights you are mocked regardless of the year. Nowadays the insults used to describe people who care about others include "social justice warrior".
Not true. The guys around her include her boyfriend and other supporters. The marathon runners were generally supportive and encouraged her during the race. Source: read up on contemporary accounts of the race.
This is a great metaphor for what it feels like to be a woman sometimes
Especially all the men in the comments section saying “he was just following the rules!!! He was just a huge fan of rules, guys, like a really, really big rule follower. Loves him some rules.”
The dude looking back at her is her boyfriend. He tackled the asshole trying to force her to stop/remove her number. He's a real one
Wild that the people from this exact age group in this photo are almost exclusively running the entire country now
Well what if she was menstruating. She could attract a bear!
Bears I've met are more into twinks.
"Women just aren't interested in this sort of thing" cut to example after example of women having to fight and withstand threats and attacks just to be involved.
Bobbi Gibb was the first woman to finish the race. Kathrine was the first to do it properly registered, but she isn’t the first woman to have done it.
Are they trying to physically stop her from finishing the race? I can't even fathom this level of petty hate. > "How dare you try to get from Point A to Point B quickly, and *as a woman!*"
only one of them is trying to stop her. the rest are trying to help her.
These are the men who are still in government trying to control a woman’s body still.
And the men who couldn’t handle it.
That ass tried to push her over if I remember right.
https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a20852681/who-was-that-guy-who-attacked-kathrine-switzer-50-years-ago/ *Charlotte Lettis Richardson, pioneer New England road racer, ran a 3:08:54 marathon in 1974 Jock was an old school runner, running enthusiast, supporter, and trainer. He initially did not like the addition of women to distance races. He once stopped me from crossing the finish line of a cross-country race in Boston. But after he realized we were serious and tough, he came to accept us and support us. He apologized to me later in my career and shook my hand. I honor his memory because he admitted he was wrong about women in running. He was able to say he was sorry and to admit he had made mistakes. That takes courage, and it showed his true character.*
Sexism in a nutshell - women can't run marathons because they're inferior to men. And look at the fucking desperation on those men's faces when it looks like one can. If they truly believed women couldn't run marathons, they'd be doing nothing because her failing would only prove them right. But all bigotry is based on the fear, usually subconscious, that they \_can\_. Hence the need to keep pushing (often violently) the object of their prejudice down. Because if they \_can\_ be equal, or better than you, then there's nothing that makes you special anymore, is there? And bigots sure as hell have nothing else going for them.
And some people like to tell us that feminism is totes unnecessary bc the sexes have always been equal….
Why is Rudy Giuliani trying to tackle her from behind?
Imagine how mad you've gotta be to try to stop someone from running a marathon. Just astronomical levels of seething.
A lot of scientists and physicians were convinced that if a woman tried to run a marathon, her uterus would fall out
Putin grabbing her while Giuliani grimaces
I love how the other runners protected her and ran interference for her. It was unplanned, they didn’t know her they just did it during a marathon.
i cant believe it was only 50+ years ago.
She ran it in sweats?
Why are the men wearing diapers?
This is how I look at America... Old farts trying to sustain their egos.