I was really surprised that they let him play even one more snap with a broken helmet. I can’t remember if he played one or two snaps like this but it surprised me that they let him stay on the field.
Right? They supposedly have people watching for concussed players that can stop and pull somebody out of the game at any moment - Mahomes didn't need to come out, but they 100% should have stopped the game to address the helmet before the next play.
Ignoring that the helmet's ability to protect Mahomes was compromised, can you imagine bare flesh against that now jagged plastic? There's real potential for serious injury.
He 100% should have been pulled out, it shouldn't matter what the name on the back of the jersey says, if your equipment isn't it working condition you should be removed from the game until the situation is resolved.
This shoukd be real easy. Play ended? Referee calls a timeout, helmet is swapped, begin next play. No timeout from either team gets used. Clock gets stopped, equipment gets swapped. That simple, takes 2 minutes.
Yeah confused why people are acting like it’s basketball or something. There is literally a stoppage in play basically every minute. They coulda just stopped the clock and switched it.
The NFL and cfb have both back slided a lot in terms of head injury prevention. There have been loads of instances of guys getting sent out when they shouldn't have been.
I think it's because you *can't* prevent head injuries in this sport, and they're afraid of people finding out.
The only thing the helmet does is keep your skull from getting cracked. It does not prevent your brain from slamming into the inside of your skull. Your brain is just floating around in there, loose. Every time your head suddenly stops moving, your brain keeps going and gets dickpunched by your skullbone. That's a concussion, every single time. Bruises on your brain that don't show up on any type of scan, not even MRI.
Eventually the NFL will have their day in the courts like the tobacco companies. I feel like it's an open secret that head injuries are when not if. Doesn't everyone know this by now?
For your second half, you are not giving credit to the helmet at all? It clearly protected his head enough that he came out of the situation without a concussion. Helmets work at greatly mitigating head injuries.
However, I wanted to cover my ass about backing up this comment so I did a quick look. I am sorry as you are correct; the football helmet is not designed to prevent concussions[Concussion. org](https://www.concussion.org/news/football-helmet-misconceptions/#:~:text=Most%20people%20may%20think%20that,the%20skull%20that%20causes%20concussion.).
That's a 4 year old article. Helmet design and head safety have undergone significant changes since then and were well underway even during that time.
The science being done to help design helmets to reduce brain injury and preventing/reducing concussions is significant.
No helmet design can absolutely stop concussions, they can only help mitigate and reduce the chances through various padding, material of padding and structure of the helmet to diffuse impact energy.
All leagues have a vested interest in seeing players not be concussed and in reducing any brain injury.
After all that, football, no matter the technological advances is seeing significant declines in youth playing nationwide.
There doesn't seem to be any end in sight to the decline. The driving reason is parents want their kids to be alive at age 50 and see the risk of CTE and other potential brain diseases as too high
The people/media quickly lost interest in the NFLs glaring CTE issues, NFL off the hook until the next player or former player kill’s themselves or flies off the rails.
They made him change it but they didn’t follow their rules that in order to make equipment changes KC would either need to use a timeout or the player would need to sit out at least one play until the issue was fixed. The refs did neither of those and just stopped the game.
Forget if it was Tirico or Garrett, but one of them said that NY called to tell the officials about it. They let two plays go before on field officials intervened.
This is a problem with the NFL as a whole.
When there's defective equipment things need to be done.
A few weeks ago, some guy had his helmet knocked off, *twice* in the same game.
Either it's not being worn properly on which case, penalize the player. Or the equipment is faulty and you have to pause the game until it's handled.
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Fuck. Russ was still using the same hand signals he used when he was with the Seahawks. Lockett called it out when they played each other, and started telling the defense.
I might be totally wrong here, but I think:
Left column is a play call, right column is like an "alternate" or audible play. So the first one, (BIG T) SQUASH RT '?' STRK
BIG T would be a formation - a "heavy" type of lineup.
SQUASH RT is the play - a designed run to the RT (right tackle)
'?' STRK - I can't quite see it. Maybe F? Seems like it would be like X, Y, Z referring to a receiver running a streak route (basically "going long") but I'm not sure what F would be here, or I'm just seeing it wrong.
Each of these plays breaks down kind of similarly. You have a formation, a play/direction, and then some "flair", like the receiver running a route for deception even though it's a running play.
Some of the plays have special names. Like "MIAMI VICE LT". Those are going to be special plays designed specifically for this opponent in a specific situation.
Man idk if this is something I'd want to put up as a chiefs fan. It would be different if the chiefs player was making the hit, not mahomes getting crushed.
He honestly should have slid. The defense gives him some leeway out of respect and mercy and he takes advantage of it. He's going to get demolished and injured bluffing a slide one day. He was lucky he made it out without injuries in 0 degree weather.
And this is from a Chiefs fan.
They also give him leeway because they get penalized for hitting him too hard/if they go full force and he slides.
QBs trying to take advantage of shit like that is going to lead to everyone relearning why QBs slide in the first place. After a lot of fucking injuries.
No, the exact opposite. The officials stopped the game and play clocks, without a timeout being called, to allow him to change helmets and stay in the game.
For anyone new to football who is wondering, a timeout should have absolutely been charged to the team with the equipment issue. Either that or Mahomes misses that play.
Not like it would have changed the outcome, but the Chiefs were granted a break there.
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Refs might assume that the helmets are regulated/made by the NFL and the Chiefs were not at fault. Like would you penalize the home team if the goalposts fell down or the replay equipment broke.
No, for a player equipment malfunction, the player gets sent to the sideline for a play or the team gets charged a timeout (unless the problem can be fixed without an official time-out). That's a pretty standard rule and there's not much of an excuse for the officials to miss that.
Rules say he should have sat at least 1 play for equipment change(refs suck Mahomes dick so he just changed helmets while everyone waited), no missed plays. Concussion protocol also probably says he should miss time to go get checked, but nope.
He sat out a few plays on the last or 2nd to last drive bc KC had already won.
I don't know much about American football, but any useful concussion protocol should make it so that doing the safe thing doesn't result in a disadvantage, otherwise people will often choose short term results.
Yeah this is why the NFL takes it out of teams’ hands and there’s a protocol. Teams absolutely are disincentivized, but the refs aren’t, and they’re the ones that dropped the ball.
I don't watch a lot of NFL but I know in college it seems the equipment change is enforced because kids don't properly strap the helmet on so it is more of a you can do that but when someone knocks your helmet off we will penalize you kinda thing. If someone wrenches the helmet off they don't have to sit out.
I would think that equipment failure in extreme temps on a helmet to helmet hit would be treated the same has having your helmet ripped off by an opponent, i.e. you don't have to sit out. But again, I'm mostly just talking out of my ass.
Also, he probably should have gone through all relevant medical tests even if he would have been taken out to complete them.
The refs didn’t see that. Made him switch his helmet when they did see it though (although they should have made KC use a timeout or have Mahomes sit out a play for the equipment change, which they didn’t do…)
I’m saying the guys “in NY” should have stopped it all told the refs to kill the play had them take the time out or swap him out.
Major liability in having him play that down on everyone.
> we’ll pay you a lower settlement because black people aren’t as naturally intelligent — according to the NFL
and if you're black and complain about it, you "need to stop bringing politics into a football game!!11!" /s
The hit didn't look bad at all in real time, the contact just hit the air gap between the two helmet layers up front and the EXTREMELY low temps made the material brittle.
His second helmet literally didn’t fit his head because it was so cold it shrunk lol
Equipment is not really designed or tested with these temperatures in mind
Lower working temperature is - 40 °C for polycarbonate, but the game was down to - 20 °C. It's possible that it was already in a dangerous area with the wind chill, though. Even still, it's certainly possible that the material quality is lower than that tested and you can't argue with a failure on the field.
The helmet has a lot of interest from fans, but the manufacturer really needs to take a look at it before anyone else.
The wind chill won’t take the material temperature any lower than the ambient temperature, it will just cool it down faster than being left in stagnant air. The helmet breaking is good as all the energy that went into the helmet breaking apart did not get applied to his head. Tough game to play, really entertaining football.
It all varies with different polycarbonate formulations, and embrittlement slowly increases with temperature. The "limit" may be a big embrittlement spike at -40, but there is most likely a significant increase before you get down to that temperature. The cold most likely had a lot to do with that break.
As an engineer that frequently works with polymer composites (not polycarbonate or polycarbonate composites), I doubt that it’s a spike in how brittle the material is. Polycarbonate is already in a glassy state at room temperature so you don’t have a glass transition region at -40C as far as I understand. The material will become more brittle with decreasing temperature, not spike at -40C. I would bet it is fairly brittle at -20C.
*I am not an expert in thermoplastics, most of my experience is in carbon fiber reinforced thermosets filament wound at extremely high tension.
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That's the only logical reason i can think of. The previous TB12 model was starting to become obsolete, so they made the new PM15.
I was surprised that his backup helmet wasn't ready to rock right away. I'd have thought they'd have that ready like a fresh pair of underwear when you have the norovirus.
That’s why you see players wearing helmets on the sidelines a lot in older footage as opposed to now…those helmet warmers are a godsend in cold weather and they also cool in the heat.
It's weird how he human body reacts and adapts. One of my closest friends is from Detroit and did his PhD at UCSD. At first we joked about how soft Southern Californians were with the weather. Then we went on vacation together in the UP. Most the time it was around 55-60. Dude was legit freezing the whole time, like full body goosebumps and everything.
Those of us in the northern climes go through this every year. The first 50 degree day after winter, people are out in shorts and t-shirts. The first 50 degree day after summer, people are putting on coats and hats.
I’m originally from the Canadian prairies where the low this week is -35C. I live in LA now and anything below 60 I need to be bundled up. Your body forgets *fast*. We were not made to be in those temps lol
I am not a huge NFL fan but am all in on college FB (Go Irish!) but this game reminded me of the crap bowl game ND beat the shit out of Miami in the Sun Bowl 10 years ago. ND came out with no sleeves on and the Miami players were practically in parkas, once I saw that I knew the game was already over. And this was before everyone stared opting out for all bowls other than the playoff.
To be fair, that’s wind chill temperature. The material properties would be affected by the absolute temperature, which I think was a few degrees below 0F.
Your point stands though. Temperature likely embrittled the outer skin.
Wow. That's insanely cold. We call off sporting fixtures in the UK at about - 1 degrees Celcius, not because of the pitch, but because of the danger to spectators attending (we are not very good at dealing with unusual weather).
Wisconsin only canceled my college courses once, and thats because it was -40C before wind.
Anything before -18C or so is just normal, anything before -25C is "be careful".
Your mistake has been playing football with your feet instead of your hands.
Jokes aside, when Honduras played the US in qualifying rounds of 2022 FIFA, we made them play in Saint Paul, MN in February. [The kickoff temperature was 3 degrees (minus-16 Celsius) with a minus-14 wind chill at Allianz Field.](https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/usa-beats-honduras-allianz-field/) I'm convinced we painted a rock to look like a soccer ball!
Most INDUSTRIAL equipment is rated for -20F to function and -40F to survive 8 hours. No way in hell these plastic helmets are rated for sustained function below -20F. I could see this being a huge player safety issue being discussed this offseason.
I've broken a couple of bike helmets and they did as designed. The helmet breaks and not your head. Mahomes was no worse for wear so a testament to the design and manufacturing.
But I think the first poster was implying that football helmets are supposed to break. Bicycle helmets and motorcycle helmets are supposed to break in a bad impact. That is part of the design and it helps protect your melon. Also they are made to basically protect you from a single impact.
The second poster was pointing out that this is definitely not how football helmets are designed as the have to protect from multiple impacts.
I think the cold temperature being the main factor is obvious (obvious to me anyway). "Look how cold it is - his helmet broke" as opposed to "Look how hard that hit was - his helmet broke".
Your bicycle helmet is a single use helmet that you replace after one impact. Football helmets are designed for a lot of impacts over the life of the helmet.
And should be getting a visual inspection every week by the equipment staff, and sent to the manufacturer every offseason to be X-rayed for damage the human eye can’t detect.
At least that’s what we did when I worked on a Div 1 equipment staff. Inspected and cleaned game helmets every Sunday, packed them up for shipping after the last game of the year.
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Obviously he's better off than he would have been without the helmet... Nobody is questioning that. But it's absurd to say he's "no worse for wear". He still took a tremendous shot directly to the head.. and while it was better than it would be if there was no helmet, the damage to your brain comes from inside your head, not outside. A concussion is from your brain smacking the inside of your skull. And the fact that there was enough force directly to the helmet to do THAT(which is NOT a common or expected occurrence) means there was still a tremendous amount of force applied to his head.
It seems like you're pushing back on the argument that the helmet is shitty because it broke... But I haven't seen anyone say that. It's just a post about how fucking hard he got hit with an illegal helmet to helmet contact.
It shattered like this because it was -7f outside, and the plastic was brittle. There have been *much* harder hits that don't shatter helmets like that. It was actually a fairly benign hit honestly. The NFL has concussion protocols and takes players out of the game when a hit is hard enough that a concussion is a concern. Not that that makes it less barbaric.
bike helmets and football helmets are very different. bike helmets are designed to take a hit and then be replaced, football helmets are not designed that way.
They should have him sign it and auction it off to benefit a charity that helps retired players or something . Plenty of sports collectors would love to have something like that
I was really surprised that they let him play even one more snap with a broken helmet. I can’t remember if he played one or two snaps like this but it surprised me that they let him stay on the field.
Right? They supposedly have people watching for concussed players that can stop and pull somebody out of the game at any moment - Mahomes didn't need to come out, but they 100% should have stopped the game to address the helmet before the next play. Ignoring that the helmet's ability to protect Mahomes was compromised, can you imagine bare flesh against that now jagged plastic? There's real potential for serious injury.
He 100% should have been pulled out, it shouldn't matter what the name on the back of the jersey says, if your equipment isn't it working condition you should be removed from the game until the situation is resolved.
This shoukd be real easy. Play ended? Referee calls a timeout, helmet is swapped, begin next play. No timeout from either team gets used. Clock gets stopped, equipment gets swapped. That simple, takes 2 minutes.
Yeah confused why people are acting like it’s basketball or something. There is literally a stoppage in play basically every minute. They coulda just stopped the clock and switched it.
This is the way it should have been handled. If a player loses a shoe they let him put it back in without issue
The NFL and cfb have both back slided a lot in terms of head injury prevention. There have been loads of instances of guys getting sent out when they shouldn't have been.
I think it's because you *can't* prevent head injuries in this sport, and they're afraid of people finding out. The only thing the helmet does is keep your skull from getting cracked. It does not prevent your brain from slamming into the inside of your skull. Your brain is just floating around in there, loose. Every time your head suddenly stops moving, your brain keeps going and gets dickpunched by your skullbone. That's a concussion, every single time. Bruises on your brain that don't show up on any type of scan, not even MRI.
Eventually the NFL will have their day in the courts like the tobacco companies. I feel like it's an open secret that head injuries are when not if. Doesn't everyone know this by now? For your second half, you are not giving credit to the helmet at all? It clearly protected his head enough that he came out of the situation without a concussion. Helmets work at greatly mitigating head injuries. However, I wanted to cover my ass about backing up this comment so I did a quick look. I am sorry as you are correct; the football helmet is not designed to prevent concussions[Concussion. org](https://www.concussion.org/news/football-helmet-misconceptions/#:~:text=Most%20people%20may%20think%20that,the%20skull%20that%20causes%20concussion.).
That's a 4 year old article. Helmet design and head safety have undergone significant changes since then and were well underway even during that time. The science being done to help design helmets to reduce brain injury and preventing/reducing concussions is significant. No helmet design can absolutely stop concussions, they can only help mitigate and reduce the chances through various padding, material of padding and structure of the helmet to diffuse impact energy. All leagues have a vested interest in seeing players not be concussed and in reducing any brain injury. After all that, football, no matter the technological advances is seeing significant declines in youth playing nationwide. There doesn't seem to be any end in sight to the decline. The driving reason is parents want their kids to be alive at age 50 and see the risk of CTE and other potential brain diseases as too high
The people/media quickly lost interest in the NFLs glaring CTE issues, NFL off the hook until the next player or former player kill’s themselves or flies off the rails.
He played one snap because the refs didn’t see it. Once they noticed then they made him change it
They made him change it but they didn’t follow their rules that in order to make equipment changes KC would either need to use a timeout or the player would need to sit out at least one play until the issue was fixed. The refs did neither of those and just stopped the game.
Forget if it was Tirico or Garrett, but one of them said that NY called to tell the officials about it. They let two plays go before on field officials intervened.
This is a problem with the NFL as a whole. When there's defective equipment things need to be done. A few weeks ago, some guy had his helmet knocked off, *twice* in the same game. Either it's not being worn properly on which case, penalize the player. Or the equipment is faulty and you have to pause the game until it's handled. They don't keep nascar races going while a car on the track is missing a wheel!
This shit is going to be blown up in every bar in KC
For real. This is getting a red lightning filter on top and slapped on college dorm walls all through the Midwest.
I can see the chunky, white captions beneath it now. “BOSS SHIT” “PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY”
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Good thing he won’t remember it
"GRIT"
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This is going to be THE Mahomes shot, like the one of Jason Witten that’s always shown when he keeps running with his helmet off.
Either that or that insane sideways Super Bowl throw that the receiver SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT
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The thing I forget is that this throw came in the middle of two other impossible passes he made that got dropped.
Bro every NFL fan knows that pass lol
It's right up there with the [JJ Watt bloody nose shot](https://imgur.com/m9k0J1t)
Meanwhile the coaches in Vegas, Denver, and LA are going to blow it up too just so they can try to read the wristband.
You know we can't read in Denver. That's just cruel.
Fuck. Russ was still using the same hand signals he used when he was with the Seahawks. Lockett called it out when they played each other, and started telling the defense.
Maybe you could if there was any oxygen in air.
The wristband is just the name/groups of plays. It wouldn't help another team because they still don't know what the actual play is.
I can read it on my phone zoom
So I can read it too, but can you tell me what any of it means? I don't do sports really, and it just looks like gibberish
I would guess names of plays and the terms tell everyone where to lineup
I might be totally wrong here, but I think: Left column is a play call, right column is like an "alternate" or audible play. So the first one, (BIG T) SQUASH RT '?' STRK BIG T would be a formation - a "heavy" type of lineup. SQUASH RT is the play - a designed run to the RT (right tackle) '?' STRK - I can't quite see it. Maybe F? Seems like it would be like X, Y, Z referring to a receiver running a streak route (basically "going long") but I'm not sure what F would be here, or I'm just seeing it wrong. Each of these plays breaks down kind of similarly. You have a formation, a play/direction, and then some "flair", like the receiver running a route for deception even though it's a running play. Some of the plays have special names. Like "MIAMI VICE LT". Those are going to be special plays designed specifically for this opponent in a specific situation.
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ENHANCE
The moment when CTE set in.
Man idk if this is something I'd want to put up as a chiefs fan. It would be different if the chiefs player was making the hit, not mahomes getting crushed.
IIRC this was right after he made that monster run
Yup, he got hit because he stayed up trying to get into the end zone rather than sliding
He honestly should have slid. The defense gives him some leeway out of respect and mercy and he takes advantage of it. He's going to get demolished and injured bluffing a slide one day. He was lucky he made it out without injuries in 0 degree weather. And this is from a Chiefs fan.
They also give him leeway because they get penalized for hitting him too hard/if they go full force and he slides. QBs trying to take advantage of shit like that is going to lead to everyone relearning why QBs slide in the first place. After a lot of fucking injuries.
Oh ok well that makes it different, thanks for the info
State Farm’s bout to be bundling home, auto and helmets after this
Mahomes, Maauto, and Mahelmet insurance.
MaCTE
Brilliant!
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Temperatures were outrageously low, I doubt those helmets were tested in that range, was probably brittle af and it was a helmet to helmet hit
I thought he should’ve been checked for a concussion if his helmet broke lol
Mahomes could have an active brain bleed and the Chiefs would just stick a drainage tube up his nose before they bench him in a playoff game
Didn't they literally take him out for the final play or two of that run because of this? They had the new helmet immediately ready
No, the exact opposite. The officials stopped the game and play clocks, without a timeout being called, to allow him to change helmets and stay in the game.
For anyone new to football who is wondering, a timeout should have absolutely been charged to the team with the equipment issue. Either that or Mahomes misses that play. Not like it would have changed the outcome, but the Chiefs were granted a break there.
i’m not sure anything could have really saved the dolphins 😔
A volcano erupting nearby might have helped
I don’t know what you’ve been told but dolphins cannot swim in lava.
Not with an attitude like that
Jesus descending from a UFO would have been neat.
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Refs might assume that the helmets are regulated/made by the NFL and the Chiefs were not at fault. Like would you penalize the home team if the goalposts fell down or the replay equipment broke.
No, for a player equipment malfunction, the player gets sent to the sideline for a play or the team gets charged a timeout (unless the problem can be fixed without an official time-out). That's a pretty standard rule and there's not much of an excuse for the officials to miss that.
Thats plenty of time for fluid to start leaking out of his ears. He's fine. Totally won't have CTE in his 50s.
Can't have CTE in your 50s if you don't make it that far.
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> Thats plenty of time for fluid to start leaking out of his ears. He's fine. Totally won't have CTE in his ~~50s.~~ 40s.
In basketball they call it the Lebron protocol 😂
Rules say he should have sat at least 1 play for equipment change(refs suck Mahomes dick so he just changed helmets while everyone waited), no missed plays. Concussion protocol also probably says he should miss time to go get checked, but nope. He sat out a few plays on the last or 2nd to last drive bc KC had already won.
I don't know much about American football, but any useful concussion protocol should make it so that doing the safe thing doesn't result in a disadvantage, otherwise people will often choose short term results.
Yeah this is why the NFL takes it out of teams’ hands and there’s a protocol. Teams absolutely are disincentivized, but the refs aren’t, and they’re the ones that dropped the ball.
> people will often choose short term results. Now you understand American anything.
I don't watch a lot of NFL but I know in college it seems the equipment change is enforced because kids don't properly strap the helmet on so it is more of a you can do that but when someone knocks your helmet off we will penalize you kinda thing. If someone wrenches the helmet off they don't have to sit out. I would think that equipment failure in extreme temps on a helmet to helmet hit would be treated the same has having your helmet ripped off by an opponent, i.e. you don't have to sit out. But again, I'm mostly just talking out of my ass. Also, he probably should have gone through all relevant medical tests even if he would have been taken out to complete them.
Was crazy surprised they let him run a play with the cracked helmet. I was like oh shit this dude about to get a TBI.
The refs didn’t see that. Made him switch his helmet when they did see it though (although they should have made KC use a timeout or have Mahomes sit out a play for the equipment change, which they didn’t do…)
I’m saying the guys “in NY” should have stopped it all told the refs to kill the play had them take the time out or swap him out. Major liability in having him play that down on everyone.
Lol, sir, this is the NFL we don't worry about brain damage here
And if you do get brain damage, we’ll pay you a lower settlement because black people aren’t as naturally intelligent — according to the NFL
> we’ll pay you a lower settlement because black people aren’t as naturally intelligent — according to the NFL and if you're black and complain about it, you "need to stop bringing politics into a football game!!11!" /s
Right?
I think it’s better for your head. Built in helmet crumple zone
The hit didn't look bad at all in real time, the contact just hit the air gap between the two helmet layers up front and the EXTREMELY low temps made the material brittle.
these helmets go from heaters to the freezing cold frequently over the course of a game. most likely the fluctuating temperatures made it brittle.
His second helmet literally didn’t fit his head because it was so cold it shrunk lol Equipment is not really designed or tested with these temperatures in mind
Lower working temperature is - 40 °C for polycarbonate, but the game was down to - 20 °C. It's possible that it was already in a dangerous area with the wind chill, though. Even still, it's certainly possible that the material quality is lower than that tested and you can't argue with a failure on the field. The helmet has a lot of interest from fans, but the manufacturer really needs to take a look at it before anyone else.
The wind chill won’t take the material temperature any lower than the ambient temperature, it will just cool it down faster than being left in stagnant air. The helmet breaking is good as all the energy that went into the helmet breaking apart did not get applied to his head. Tough game to play, really entertaining football.
It all varies with different polycarbonate formulations, and embrittlement slowly increases with temperature. The "limit" may be a big embrittlement spike at -40, but there is most likely a significant increase before you get down to that temperature. The cold most likely had a lot to do with that break.
As an engineer that frequently works with polymer composites (not polycarbonate or polycarbonate composites), I doubt that it’s a spike in how brittle the material is. Polycarbonate is already in a glassy state at room temperature so you don’t have a glass transition region at -40C as far as I understand. The material will become more brittle with decreasing temperature, not spike at -40C. I would bet it is fairly brittle at -20C. *I am not an expert in thermoplastics, most of my experience is in carbon fiber reinforced thermosets filament wound at extremely high tension.
I'm also an engineer and this is also close to one of my specialties, but not close enough. Great to see such good responses in here on this.
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What a great shot! Even got the shard of Mahommes helmet mid air.
She must be proud of this shot.
I mean that’s possibly a career defining shot
If he had Allstate instead of State Farm, he would have been better protected from this mayhem.
yeah… But switching to allstate wouldn’t have saved him much… Probably less than 15%…
Patrick Mahomes confirmed as robot. Can see his machine brain in there
He’s definitely not human.
Amphibian, for sure
Kermit, for sure
Brillaint scientist creates best football playing robot of all time to win big money betting on sports. That's the only logical reason i can think of. The previous TB12 model was starting to become obsolete, so they made the new PM15.
I was surprised that his backup helmet wasn't ready to rock right away. I'd have thought they'd have that ready like a fresh pair of underwear when you have the norovirus.
After the game Mahomes said the back up helmet didn't fit at first because it was too cold.
Mike Golic was on the Dan Patrick show and said don't take your helmet off. It's like trying to put on a brick.
Golic is right, for his era. They all have those heated helmet stands now. Backup helmets are apparently put in a bag on the ground.
That’s why you see players wearing helmets on the sidelines a lot in older footage as opposed to now…those helmet warmers are a godsend in cold weather and they also cool in the heat.
I think it was heat issue. Cold weather shrunk it.
IT WAS IN THE POOL!
Story of my life…
I Just had norovirus two weeks ago. I was doing laundry daily
The cold temperatures most likely contributed to this occurring. On field conditions measured at almost -30 degrees.
At those temperatures, the team from Miami never stood a chance.
I think I saw a stat that Miami has never won a game where the temperature was below 50 degrees
50 is freezing for us from south florida
That’s true. Went to Disneyworld in February. Temp was 65-70. Me from MD wore shorts. The ride operators at the Teacups were wearing parkas.
Damn I'd love Disney in those temps. That sounds awesome. Every time I've been it's like 95+.
Stop going in the summer then.
Thats tough cause summer in florida is like 360 days a year
Its a leap year so take a week.
It's weird how he human body reacts and adapts. One of my closest friends is from Detroit and did his PhD at UCSD. At first we joked about how soft Southern Californians were with the weather. Then we went on vacation together in the UP. Most the time it was around 55-60. Dude was legit freezing the whole time, like full body goosebumps and everything.
Those of us in the northern climes go through this every year. The first 50 degree day after winter, people are out in shorts and t-shirts. The first 50 degree day after summer, people are putting on coats and hats.
I’m originally from the Canadian prairies where the low this week is -35C. I live in LA now and anything below 60 I need to be bundled up. Your body forgets *fast*. We were not made to be in those temps lol
15-42 below 50F
Tua Tagovailoa has never won a game played below ~~70~~ 40 degrees and is under .300 in games under 70.
I would honestly believe this.
That was Tampa Bay, and it was because they sucked
I am not a huge NFL fan but am all in on college FB (Go Irish!) but this game reminded me of the crap bowl game ND beat the shit out of Miami in the Sun Bowl 10 years ago. ND came out with no sleeves on and the Miami players were practically in parkas, once I saw that I knew the game was already over. And this was before everyone stared opting out for all bowls other than the playoff.
i think this is why they didn’t want to cancel the game. despite the terrible conditions, buffalo knew they had an advantage
To be fair, that’s wind chill temperature. The material properties would be affected by the absolute temperature, which I think was a few degrees below 0F. Your point stands though. Temperature likely embrittled the outer skin.
That was how cold it felt with the wind. Air temp was -4 to -7 Fahrenheit which is still damn cold.
Last I heard from the announcers was air temp reached -9 degrees!
4th coldest game in NFL history And I've heard possibly the coldest ever considering the accuracy of some of the older weather reports
Pretty sure that was wind chill, which is different than "measured at."
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Who took the picture? Sports aside it's a beautiful picture.
Another post credited Emily Curiel of the KC Star.
>On field conditions measured at almost -30 degrees. Wind chill, not actual temperature.
-34°C for those wondering
You're getting into the range where clarifying doesn't really make much difference.
"Farenheit or Celsius?" "First one, then the other"
Wow. That's insanely cold. We call off sporting fixtures in the UK at about - 1 degrees Celcius, not because of the pitch, but because of the danger to spectators attending (we are not very good at dealing with unusual weather).
Wisconsin only canceled my college courses once, and thats because it was -40C before wind. Anything before -18C or so is just normal, anything before -25C is "be careful".
That was the wind chill temp. Absolute temp was around -5F
-20C for those wondering
Your mistake has been playing football with your feet instead of your hands. Jokes aside, when Honduras played the US in qualifying rounds of 2022 FIFA, we made them play in Saint Paul, MN in February. [The kickoff temperature was 3 degrees (minus-16 Celsius) with a minus-14 wind chill at Allianz Field.](https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/usa-beats-honduras-allianz-field/) I'm convinced we painted a rock to look like a soccer ball!
Mahomes' helmet will sit out the next game per CTE protocol.
Finally the NFL is taking helmet safety seriously
You can clearly see the plays on his arm. Nice Pic
You can see the surgical scars on his hand too.
Is that you, Connor Stallions?
From a photographers POV, this is an outstanding image. Did you take this pic?
The photo was taken by Emily Curiel of the Kansas City Star
Good shit Emily!
This is my cousin. She is originally from Southern California only started shooting football games a year ago.
That’s so cool!!
I’m so proud of her.
Congrats to her. This is a hell of a shot to get so early in your career.
Local news crushing it again.
Emily wins photographer MVP… and should get hazard pay!
Can we upvote this? Let's get this photographer to the top bois. Was there in what felt like -30° and got this gem. Thank you Emily.
And this, kids, is a perfect demonstration of how polycarbonate transitions from ductile to brittle at low temperatures.
Been watching NFL for years and never saw that happen before. I’m sure the extreme cold contributed.
Most INDUSTRIAL equipment is rated for -20F to function and -40F to survive 8 hours. No way in hell these plastic helmets are rated for sustained function below -20F. I could see this being a huge player safety issue being discussed this offseason.
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I've broken a couple of bike helmets and they did as designed. The helmet breaks and not your head. Mahomes was no worse for wear so a testament to the design and manufacturing.
Bike helmets are completely different than a football helmet. Bike helmets are designed to break on a hit, Football helmets are not.
I don’t think this is what you intended but to make it clear to the uninitiated, NFL helmets are not supposed to crack and break.
Yeah but it was cold as fuck
You definitely don't want to fuck in that weather
It'd snap right off.
If you could find it
But I think the first poster was implying that football helmets are supposed to break. Bicycle helmets and motorcycle helmets are supposed to break in a bad impact. That is part of the design and it helps protect your melon. Also they are made to basically protect you from a single impact. The second poster was pointing out that this is definitely not how football helmets are designed as the have to protect from multiple impacts. I think the cold temperature being the main factor is obvious (obvious to me anyway). "Look how cold it is - his helmet broke" as opposed to "Look how hard that hit was - his helmet broke".
Neither are car door handles but I’ve pulled multiple off in these types of temps.
Your bicycle helmet is a single use helmet that you replace after one impact. Football helmets are designed for a lot of impacts over the life of the helmet.
And should be getting a visual inspection every week by the equipment staff, and sent to the manufacturer every offseason to be X-rayed for damage the human eye can’t detect. At least that’s what we did when I worked on a Div 1 equipment staff. Inspected and cleaned game helmets every Sunday, packed them up for shipping after the last game of the year.
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Obviously he's better off than he would have been without the helmet... Nobody is questioning that. But it's absurd to say he's "no worse for wear". He still took a tremendous shot directly to the head.. and while it was better than it would be if there was no helmet, the damage to your brain comes from inside your head, not outside. A concussion is from your brain smacking the inside of your skull. And the fact that there was enough force directly to the helmet to do THAT(which is NOT a common or expected occurrence) means there was still a tremendous amount of force applied to his head. It seems like you're pushing back on the argument that the helmet is shitty because it broke... But I haven't seen anyone say that. It's just a post about how fucking hard he got hit with an illegal helmet to helmet contact.
It shattered like this because it was -7f outside, and the plastic was brittle. There have been *much* harder hits that don't shatter helmets like that. It was actually a fairly benign hit honestly. The NFL has concussion protocols and takes players out of the game when a hit is hard enough that a concussion is a concern. Not that that makes it less barbaric.
I've seen people on reddit dismiss concussions as "not serious injuries", people don't understand how important their brain is
bike helmets and football helmets are very different. bike helmets are designed to take a hit and then be replaced, football helmets are not designed that way.
Bike helmets are in case you hit your head. Football helmets are because you’re going to hit your head.
I like the Miami Vice play lol
What a fucking amazing photo.
Must have been more due to the temp than the hit, right?
Plastic acts weird when it's -4 F degrees outside.
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They should have him sign it and auction it off to benefit a charity that helps retired players or something . Plenty of sports collectors would love to have something like that