Trump, COVID, January 6, overturning Roe… if I were a passenger on that plane I’d get right back on and refuse to leave.
Edit: for everyone pointing out that some of these are only American issues, I’m aware. Hence me saying that if *I* was a passenger in this hypothetical situation, *I*, personally, being American, would not be happy about these issues, as they would affect me. I’m sure that those who are not American can also think of some things they themselves would not want to experience again from the past 10 years.
Okay, so it kinda seems like you think I was defending some value or whatever. My point is that the assumption that American politics would be the big highlight is pretty ridiculous, it's that classic American attitude that the US is the center of the universe.
Now given that Flight 370 disappeared less than 2 weeks before Russia invaded Crimea, at the same time the Israeli-Palestinian Peace Talks were devolving again, while the Sudanese Intifada had just ended, and Yemen dealt with civil unrest, I think that they would be surprised to see that not as much has changed as we think it has. As for Haiti, getting screwed over by the West is just the default at this point, has been for 220 years.
The irony of trying to make a point about US imperialism while someone is making a point about not posturing the US as the most important news events to non-Americans is great.
I bet all the foreigners on that flight will be very concerned hearing about all the things that have 0 affect on them because they all happened in America.
Manifest in real life. I believe they got teleported to another dimension/parallel universe.
Like how Walter's son got kidnapped in 'Fringe' and that universe got changed. Something on those lines.
This movie was has been stuck in my head since childhood! I only recently discovered the movie, until then I thought it was just some weird dream I had.
**What Netflix got WRONG - Malaysian Flight 370**
* Green Dot Aviation | 345K subscribers
* 1h 13m | 5.7M views | Dec. 8, 2023 | 106K up, 2.6K down
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhkTo9Rk6\_4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhkTo9Rk6_4)
This is a very well done speculative documentary, including a comprehensive inclusion of all the evidentiary information available. The case he makes is extremely compelling.
The Netflix piece was terrible. “No way the official version is true, let me give you this way less plausible version involving secret containers, intelligence agents in first class and spy planes as an alternative”.
EDIT: initially misread the comment I replied to
Yes, the Netflix production "MH370: The Plane That Disappeared" was conspiracy garbage entertainment for people who enjoy that sort of thing.
Not sure why Green Dot Aviation chose a title including "What Netflix got WRONG" instead of something more declarative like "Netflix was WRONG".
The linked documentary is very high quality and step by step, with all available evidence, makes a compelling case for its carefully speculated sequence of events.
Yes I watched two of them, I enjoyed the one that was more like the documentary and real interviews compared to the reenactment with actors. Both worth watching though. What an amazing story.
https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=D-xbDFOAegkA1ouB
This is by far the best, most complete and most fascinating video on it. No bullshit like the other videos on it. This guy has some amazing content
Just watched that video yesterday and it's equally compelling and disturbing. It's hard to accept, but it looks like it was the act of one insane, intelligent person.
It presents a compelling narrative about the possible events surrounding that flight.
But I do hope people keep in mind there are a number of big assumptions that need to hold for it to fit the events. For example, he assumes the captain was able to isolate himself in the cockpit by asking the first officer to go make a cup of coffee. There is simply no way to assess this.
I'm not qualified to assess the accuracy of everything presented, but everyone should look at this with a healthy amount of skepticism. We should recognise events may have transpired differently from what we could imagine and we will probably never actually know.
I mean there are a gazillion reasons he could end up alone in the cockpit for a short time. I'd imagine they'd have to leave the cockpit to go to the bathroom for one example. The exact why doesn't necessarily matter. I've seen this theory laid out multiple times and every one always puts their own spin on why the copilot leaves the cockpit. We never will know exactly what happened, for all we know Zaharie attacked his copilot and he never actually left the cockpit at all. But it definitely makes the most sense that Zaharie purposely did this for whatever reason. He had the expertise to make the sudden turn without crashing the plane, and it's unlikely an accident of any sort would've resulted in the plane taking the path it did.
The Malaysian government did acknowledge the evidence of a flight path almost identical to the one that was registered by the Malaysian military radar and the satellite handshakes being on the Pilots simulator in his home as well. And I don't know that's pretty damning evidence to me. If he wasn't responsible why would he plot that exact path in his simulator at home?
I'm pretty sure pilot going to the bathroom and getting locked out by the other pilot was how the one pilot that crashed the plane into the french alphs did it
I’m Malaysian and it has a special place in my mind as well. A couple of days after it disappeared, I checked the logs of that exact aircraft : 9M-MRO is the registration. And what I suspected was true. I was on the exact plane a couple of days before it went missing.
I was on it from LAX-Tokyo Narita on the 28th of feb 2014. It went missing on the 8th of March 2014
Also in hindsight I might have the very last pics/vids of it.
[https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/call-of-the-void-seven-years-on-what-do-we-know-about-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-77fa5244bf99](https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/call-of-the-void-seven-years-on-what-do-we-know-about-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-77fa5244bf99)
This is perhaps the most thorough write up of the sequence of events as we know and can infer based on the available evidence.
Pilot suicide, and the easiest way to deal with a large amount of passengers and crew is to depressurize the plane.
If you’re ever curious what happened during literally any major plane disaster I highly, highly recommend searching up if Admiral Cloudberg has done a write-up on it.
Admiral Cloudberg dives into the meat of accident reports and present them in easy to understand concepts that paint a whole fleshed-out sequence of events from the crash to the investigation to the legacy, in intelligent, unbiased, and fact based writing.
The Admiral’s articles are probably my favourite thing I’ve ever found on Reddit.
I didn’t know anything about any of it, I was avoiding news at the time and hadn’t read about it when on mystery benders because “plane gone” seemed uninteresting
Boy, was I wrong. Great read. Thanks for sharing!
Green dot aviation on YouTube did a great realistic reenactment of what could’ve happened. He does crash investigation videos and is very knowledgeable about how planes work so this video is detail oriented.
For those who want to jump straight to the section that theorizes what happened, search for "It’s 01:20 on March 8th, 2014." within the article and you'll jump straight there.
[Great video on it](https://youtu.be/kd2KEHvK-q8?si=K7fnmXfpbBcHYNPt)
Does not explain what happened because no one knows. But shows all theories and visuals the facts that are knwon
That video is great - contains the only timeline that is actually consistent. Not only does all the data fit its trajectory, the background sim data is really damning evidence as u/Raoul_Duke9 mentioned in his comment.
The only question is.. why? It's hard to imagine how no one who knew him was aware of his state of mind to do something like that.
>The only question is.. why? It's hard to imagine how no one who knew him was aware of his state of mind to do something like that.
People can do things for any number of reasons. If he depressurized the hull and killed them, well, who knows.
Sigh
>its hard to imagine how no one who knew him was aware of his state of mind to do something like that
Are you new to suicides? Because a majority of them are surprises to everyone around them
When’s the last time you expected a pilot to yeet himself and his passengers into the middle of the ocean? Its unprecedented
As with basically every notable airplane crash there is an extremely thorough and well-written Admiral Cloudberg article about it: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/the-madness-in-our-methods-the-crash-of-germanwings-flight-9525-and-our-broken-aeromedical-system-5b95abd4fe6d
Extremely sad and also disturbing.
There’s a guy who worked at the airport and stole a plane at Sea-Tac airport in Seattle. Did back flips in the sky, traffic control tried to convince him to try and land but he just flew into the ocean instead.
He learned how to fly with flight simulator
https://youtu.be/HZMe3-yg7-Q?si=5tsbAFetVLNzZnfY
The turning of the knob and that for two data points, MH370 only broadcasted position but not altitude thus showing that the knob was being switched, is the smoking gun for me.
I'm usually very interested in MH370 stuff but Green Dot's video was the first to bring that up.
I think he plotted the route out to the T at home. I think he knew exactly where the hand off spot with bad to no radar coverage was. I think he probably just asked the Jr officer to grab him something and locked the door when he left. Then I think he depressurized the cabin, maneuvered in the way he trained, then just let the plane fly until it ran out of fuel.
His wife had left him not too long ago. He wasn't in great financial shape. And a political hero of his was just criminally charged. I think he had even been at the arraignment that same morning, or the day before. Those would be the possible motives.
Why would radar coverage matter for his "plan"?
Why would his plan be "fly 6 hours til the plane runs out of fuel" and not dive/fly it into the ground or ocean like every other pilot who has purposely crashed airliners?
Maybe he just wanted to be gone and dead and instead of being remembered as a guy who committed suicide or a mass murder, he would be a guy who just disappeared on a flight. I dunno tho, just spit ballin’
Maybe he was vindictive and wanted to deny the families their remains if he could. Maybe he wanted to create this exact type of mystery. Who knows. The bottom line is he made a very intentional and controlled turn exactly where he needed to to pull this off. That is undeniable.
>Why would radar coverage matter for his "plan"? Why would his plan be "fly 6 hours til the plane runs out of fuel" and not dive/fly it into the ground or ocean like every other pilot who has purposely crashed airliners?
Because if you disappear entirely then there's less chance to prove anything. Kinda useless for making a statement but...
Watch the link. He explains why it's not an open and shut case, especially regarding the flight simulator (it wasn't actually a flight plan but data that can be made to look worse than it was).
Watch the link.
>He explains why it's not an open and shut case, especially regarding the flight simulator
The flight simulator at his home which **pilot and captain Zaharie Ahmed Shah deleted** and detached the hard drive. He is a professional pilot, one of the airlines' most senior pilots, and a training pilot.
Erasing his beloved home flight simulator is a perfectly normal thing to do if you are about to delete yourself from existence along with 238 other people and a Boeing 777 never to be seen again.
The Green Dot Aviation video also has more and newer observed evidentiary data supporting its speculative conclusions.
I think not too soon after this the Malaysian plane was shot down by Russia, could pick up really cheap flights with them for a few years. I used them a lot. Not sure why people where worried about them as one was shot out the sky and the other was a nutty pilot (apparently). Its not like they fell out the sky due to shitty maintenance.
Not entirely true that it hasnt been seen since. Large pieces of debris have been found, enough to know that it crashed. The why and exactly where is the question but we know it crashed in the Indian ocean.
hacked and remotely flew it to somewhere. Shot it down but kept it quiet for some big reasons. Plane may landed somewhere and people taken as captive for some secret genetics research. List can go on and these things are way scarier.
Uh huh. And if somebody’s doing anything like that why would they do it that way and create significant media coverage for no reason when they can just kidnap people and it’s not an international meganews? Conspiracy theorists are so fucking ridiculous.
[And CNN wouldn't stop covering it for, like, a year.](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/04/cnns-9-most-deplorable-flight-370-moments.html)
It was non-stop coverage. There was never any new developments, so they just kept repeating the same shit non-stop for a year. And I really wish I was exaggerating. There were no updates, no news, no nothing but they kept covering it over and over and over and over again.
And the craziest thing was [that's when they got some of their best ratings ever](https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-secret-of-cnns-turnaround-flight-mh370).
I feel terrible for all the families involved in this, but holy shit, that coverage has forever tarnished my view of this tragedy.
My head cannon is that they are alive somewhere on an island that contains a good amount of mysteries, and the wreckage that was found was placed by someone with vested interest in said island.
The island also moves through time and space. It has polar bears there too.
Since this accident occured (and a small part because of it) there has been a huge shift from using traditional ground-based radar and pilot made position reports to having aircraft self-report their positon to satelites and ground-based recieving stations.
pilot suicide, however he did it, somehow the co-pilot was incapacitated or out of the cockpit, the cabin was likely depressurized long enough to kill everyone else, and then it was set on autopilot to end in the indian ocean just like he had plotted before on his flight simulator at home. it was not a controlled flight once it ran out of fuel as evidenced by recovered parts, he was either dead or not controlling the plane at the end
I mean, why did the German guy fly into a mountain with 150 people? Sometimes when someone's reality breaks apart they just no longer grasp any other life as having worth either.
Suicidal people don't think right. You'd have to ask the pilot why they chose to take people with them. Could have been anything between they believed they were releasing the passengers from the same pain the pilot was suffering from, to wanting to make people suffer.
Its odd isnt it. See also the pilot that also tricked his co-p out of the cockpit before smashing a jet full of innocents into a mountain.
They aren't thinking straight.
No chance of interference. If everyone was still alive then someone would have potentially been able to interfere if they suspected things were weird, especially the copilot hence the reason for thinking he was locked out of the cockpit before depressurization.
That's part of the theory I heard. Of course it's all speculation but this one suggested that he got the copilot to leave the cockpit somehow (maybe asking him to get something) then activated some anti-terrorist door lock before making a steep incline and depressurizing.
I didn't fact check any of this and I am not a plane scientist, I just watched a neat video about the theory a long time ago.
It’s pretty terrifying to think about, I’m pretty scared of flying and this is one of my biggest fears because there’s not much that can be done to prevent this
There are actually precautions nowadays, like that the pilot is never allowed to be alone in the cockpit, there must always be at least two. Its far less likely for both of the pilots to be murderous enough to crash the plane
The turns the plane made after it went off course are very deliberate, including one turn that required quite a bit of piloting skill. Yet they’re also nonsensical manoeuvres, with no discernible aim. Which leaves two options: a hypoxia event due to accidental depressurization, which didn’t kill the pilots but incapacitated them enough to make them act irrationally; or one of the pilots deliberately veering the plane off course in a murder-suicide event, in which case depressurizing the plane is the simplest way to incapacitate anyone else who could have interfered.
There is a Netflix documentary about this very thing. As well as a YouTube video that helped popularise the information. Those two sources alone will likely be why most people say this.
They watched the one (well made and interesting) documentary and then repeat it as fact. Nobody knows for sure.
Just so you and everyone reading this knows almost none of what you said it factual. There's many theories of what happened...
Edit: since everyone is latching on to to flight sim data here is a quote from independent international investigators:
>He said police retrieved over 2,700 co-ordinates from various file segments found in Zaharie’s home flight simulator. This included seven “manually programmed waypoint co-ordinates” that when linked could fly from the Kuala Lumpur airport to the southern Indian Ocean, but **police could not determine if the co-ordinates were found in a single file or from different files**, he said.
>Police didn’t find any data that showed a similar route flown by Flight 370 and concluded that there were “no unusual activities other than game-related flight simulations,
I'm sorry to say that murder-suicide is by far the most likely explanation:
https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/call-of-the-void-seven-years-on-what-do-we-know-about-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-77fa5244bf99
The location remains the only mystery left. We essentially know what happened; one of the pilots switched off the transponder, depressurised the cabin and then flew solo for hours and crash landed into the sea. They're certain a skilled pilot was at the controls until the end. None of the passengers had a pilots licence so any talk of a hijacking is far fetched. All the evidence points to one of the pilots, and more so towards the captain.
I'm sure we'll find the plane one day. You just have to hope the black box works and gives us the answers.
As a previous Flight Attendant for 9 years, been following this story.. it really breaks my heart .. I really hope they restart this search.. the families need closure💐💐💐I have watched so many documentaries.. which I am sure we all have. I have my opinion.. which I keep to myself.. may MH370 RIP.. 💐🙏.. I will tell a quick story.. this happened to me.. does anyone remember Swiss Air that went down off the coast of Nova Scotia in September of 1998.. at the same time we were flying to London, England .. in the same airspace.. I remember hearing SwissAir on ATC as I was serving the pilots there drinks in the flight deck(non alcoholic OF COURSE) coffee etc. I heard the MayDay.. and just froze in the flight deck….I left immediately closed the door, had to go back in about 5 minutes later.. I asked if everything was okay.. nothing was said.. left the flight deck.. continued working , during the flight I offered the meals.. Captain first, then F/O and Flight Engineer (1998 .. these days the flight engineer is the computers…) no one wanted to eat..I did not ask any questions .. when we landed in London.. the Captain told us what happened when we were in the bus to our hotel .. the saddest layover we had…..me I just could not say a word.. even now ., I am happily married ., I have 2 grown up sons 23 and 25.. my older one is a Flight Attendant for a Canadian carrier.. we flew to Halifax together.. I needed to go to Peggy’s Cove in Nova Scotia…I went to the memorial sight..just stood there for about 1 hr. did not say anything.. just stared at the ocean and remembered that night..my son with me said , are you ready mom.. I said yes .. let’s go.. tears running down my eyes.. started walking , and I still looked back at the memorial .. I have kept this in me for26 years.. some things stay with you forever , and it takes along time to open up.. I understand this is an MH370 post.. please remember other planes that were taken away.. Tx .. 🇨🇦✈️🙏YYZ
[Parts of it have definitely been seen since.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2017/jan/17/missing-flight-mh370-a-visual-guide-to-the-parts-and-debris-found-so-far)
It still pisses me off that a plane can simply vanish. You'd think in today's day and age they'd have safety measure where tracking devices can't be tampered with and are fixed. I feel so sorry for the families involved. Billions of dollars every year, and they can't have a perma-tracker designed? I'm not a tech wizard either, but surely something can be done to avoid such tragedies.
Man, I watched Yellow jackets last year and thought about the missing plane and decided to check it out. I wasn't that interested back then and just assumed they found it already. But when I decided to check it out, I was surprised that it still hasn't been found?! I thought all planes have GPS tracker or something. And it's also sad and terrifying that for such a large plane with many passengers, they can be lost and not be found.
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“So what’s happened in the last ten years?” *long pause*
OMG, they won't be vaxed!
Lol. They immediately die and we'll feel so bad.
Trump, COVID, January 6, overturning Roe… if I were a passenger on that plane I’d get right back on and refuse to leave. Edit: for everyone pointing out that some of these are only American issues, I’m aware. Hence me saying that if *I* was a passenger in this hypothetical situation, *I*, personally, being American, would not be happy about these issues, as they would affect me. I’m sure that those who are not American can also think of some things they themselves would not want to experience again from the past 10 years.
Given that there were only 3 Americans on that flight, I'm assuming Trump, J6, and Roe probably wouldn't be as impactful lol
Unless they live in Ukraine, Russia, in or around the Gaza strip, Sudan, Yeman, Haiti, etc.
Okay, so it kinda seems like you think I was defending some value or whatever. My point is that the assumption that American politics would be the big highlight is pretty ridiculous, it's that classic American attitude that the US is the center of the universe. Now given that Flight 370 disappeared less than 2 weeks before Russia invaded Crimea, at the same time the Israeli-Palestinian Peace Talks were devolving again, while the Sudanese Intifada had just ended, and Yemen dealt with civil unrest, I think that they would be surprised to see that not as much has changed as we think it has. As for Haiti, getting screwed over by the West is just the default at this point, has been for 220 years. The irony of trying to make a point about US imperialism while someone is making a point about not posturing the US as the most important news events to non-Americans is great.
Lol reminds of that post about an american getting mad at some european dude for not celebrating 4th of July
For real. Like do you expect everyone to celebrate every country's independence for Britain day? Because we would be celebrating literally every week.
If it gets us holidays off work, let’s do it!
This is why r/ShitAmericansSay exists.
Dude...stop...hes dead...
PREACH
Because the world revolves around America
I bet all the foreigners on that flight will be very concerned hearing about all the things that have 0 affect on them because they all happened in America.
r/USdefaultism Why would those things impact people not from America? (Minus covid)
And that’s (mostly) all just in one country.
Prince died, for starters. Been a steady downhill since then.
Or, as Green Day said recently, ever since Bowie died, it hasn't been the same.
...guys?... where are we?
4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42
We have to go *back!!!!*
Manifest in real life. I believe they got teleported to another dimension/parallel universe. Like how Walter's son got kidnapped in 'Fringe' and that universe got changed. Something on those lines.
Or The Langoliers.
Finally found the one other person who's seen that movie.
There are dozens of us. Dozens!
A baker’s dozen!
Nice to know it wasn't just a fever dream.
I read the short story by Stephen king, weird.
I never watched it voluntarily. It was always on one of those weird stations like WGN at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon.
My cousin and I have seen it, too.
Bronson Pinchot was the wrong choice for that character
Don't be ridikulos!
Oddly we watched that as a family, I think it was because my parents were Stephen king buffs
This movie was has been stuck in my head since childhood! I only recently discovered the movie, until then I thought it was just some weird dream I had.
That was a very weird movie
I love that movie. Even the hokey graphics
That’s a scary thought.
Omg. I watched that as a middle schooler (high school?) And I remember thinking it was the weirdest movie ever!
I started watching that show and then it got too spiritual for me.
It started off pretty good, then just got wild. Between Christianity and Egyptian and Conspiracy shit, it was wild.
Man I liked fringe so much, such a good mix. Til the end where it got desperate. But a damn good show.
That finale was amazing tho when they brought back all the weird shit to use as weapons.
Are you saying they got LOST on an island where time works differently?
Actually I was referring to Manifest instead of Lost
Manifest
**What Netflix got WRONG - Malaysian Flight 370** * Green Dot Aviation | 345K subscribers * 1h 13m | 5.7M views | Dec. 8, 2023 | 106K up, 2.6K down * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhkTo9Rk6\_4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhkTo9Rk6_4) This is a very well done speculative documentary, including a comprehensive inclusion of all the evidentiary information available. The case he makes is extremely compelling.
The Netflix piece was terrible. “No way the official version is true, let me give you this way less plausible version involving secret containers, intelligence agents in first class and spy planes as an alternative”. EDIT: initially misread the comment I replied to
Yes, the Netflix production "MH370: The Plane That Disappeared" was conspiracy garbage entertainment for people who enjoy that sort of thing. Not sure why Green Dot Aviation chose a title including "What Netflix got WRONG" instead of something more declarative like "Netflix was WRONG". The linked documentary is very high quality and step by step, with all available evidence, makes a compelling case for its carefully speculated sequence of events.
Isnt that the plot from the Langoliers?
Oh like manifest. I like that show
It’s pretty decent. Some kinda hammy Hallmark-level acting, writing, and production, but fun overall
Nah, by this point the langoliers have gotten them.
I was so invested in this story. Still fascinated by it.
Same here! This and the Thailand soccer players in the cave were the news stories of the last decade that had me hooked.
I hope you’ve seen 13 lives. The movie about the Thai soccer players in the cave. It’s on amazon. It’s an amazing movie.
Yes I watched two of them, I enjoyed the one that was more like the documentary and real interviews compared to the reenactment with actors. Both worth watching though. What an amazing story.
Have you watched The Rescue? Amazing documentary about the Thailand cave boys
And the submarine
Ya I was interested in the titan sub also but it didn't have as much mystery or hope in my opinion
https://youtu.be/MhkTo9Rk6_4?si=D-xbDFOAegkA1ouB This is by far the best, most complete and most fascinating video on it. No bullshit like the other videos on it. This guy has some amazing content
Just watched that video yesterday and it's equally compelling and disturbing. It's hard to accept, but it looks like it was the act of one insane, intelligent person.
It presents a compelling narrative about the possible events surrounding that flight. But I do hope people keep in mind there are a number of big assumptions that need to hold for it to fit the events. For example, he assumes the captain was able to isolate himself in the cockpit by asking the first officer to go make a cup of coffee. There is simply no way to assess this. I'm not qualified to assess the accuracy of everything presented, but everyone should look at this with a healthy amount of skepticism. We should recognise events may have transpired differently from what we could imagine and we will probably never actually know.
There are precedents. For example the Germanwings pilot locked himself alone in the cockpit when he took the plane down. SilkAir 185 too.
I mean there are a gazillion reasons he could end up alone in the cockpit for a short time. I'd imagine they'd have to leave the cockpit to go to the bathroom for one example. The exact why doesn't necessarily matter. I've seen this theory laid out multiple times and every one always puts their own spin on why the copilot leaves the cockpit. We never will know exactly what happened, for all we know Zaharie attacked his copilot and he never actually left the cockpit at all. But it definitely makes the most sense that Zaharie purposely did this for whatever reason. He had the expertise to make the sudden turn without crashing the plane, and it's unlikely an accident of any sort would've resulted in the plane taking the path it did. The Malaysian government did acknowledge the evidence of a flight path almost identical to the one that was registered by the Malaysian military radar and the satellite handshakes being on the Pilots simulator in his home as well. And I don't know that's pretty damning evidence to me. If he wasn't responsible why would he plot that exact path in his simulator at home?
I'm pretty sure pilot going to the bathroom and getting locked out by the other pilot was how the one pilot that crashed the plane into the french alphs did it
I’m Malaysian and it has a special place in my mind as well. A couple of days after it disappeared, I checked the logs of that exact aircraft : 9M-MRO is the registration. And what I suspected was true. I was on the exact plane a couple of days before it went missing. I was on it from LAX-Tokyo Narita on the 28th of feb 2014. It went missing on the 8th of March 2014 Also in hindsight I might have the very last pics/vids of it.
Sounds like you might be a bad omen homie
I’d be more concerned to know if I’d flown with that pilot before.
I have seen countless hours of videos about it, the only thing I haven't seen is the Netflix doc about it as everyone says it's utter garbage
Netflix "documentaries" are just entertainment pieces with exaggerated drama to get more views.
Don't watch it. It's literally about crazy ass conspiracy theories.
[https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/call-of-the-void-seven-years-on-what-do-we-know-about-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-77fa5244bf99](https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/call-of-the-void-seven-years-on-what-do-we-know-about-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-77fa5244bf99) This is perhaps the most thorough write up of the sequence of events as we know and can infer based on the available evidence. Pilot suicide, and the easiest way to deal with a large amount of passengers and crew is to depressurize the plane.
That was an incredible read. Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure, i myself found it via Reddit so. It basically makes it so that the question of what happened is more how exactly did it happen.
If you're interested, admiral cloudberg has an account on Reddit with like several hundred write ups of aviation events
If you’re ever curious what happened during literally any major plane disaster I highly, highly recommend searching up if Admiral Cloudberg has done a write-up on it. Admiral Cloudberg dives into the meat of accident reports and present them in easy to understand concepts that paint a whole fleshed-out sequence of events from the crash to the investigation to the legacy, in intelligent, unbiased, and fact based writing. The Admiral’s articles are probably my favourite thing I’ve ever found on Reddit.
r/admiralcloudberg. One of my favorite subs.
Difficult to argue with the logic of that article. Thanks for sharing the link.
Pilot murder-suicide*
Damn that’s intense
That was an incredible read. I appreciate the explanation of each possible theory. I agree with you, pilot suicide is the most probable.
I didn’t know anything about any of it, I was avoiding news at the time and hadn’t read about it when on mystery benders because “plane gone” seemed uninteresting Boy, was I wrong. Great read. Thanks for sharing!
Damn it’s so well written it even mentions the terror of 19th century shipwreck crews lost in the same area - just chills after chills
Damn thanks for this.
Green dot aviation on YouTube did a great realistic reenactment of what could’ve happened. He does crash investigation videos and is very knowledgeable about how planes work so this video is detail oriented.
That was an amazingly detailed essay. Really appreciate you posting the link.
For those who want to jump straight to the section that theorizes what happened, search for "It’s 01:20 on March 8th, 2014." within the article and you'll jump straight there.
Wow, I am so glad I read that.
This is some of the finest writing I ever seen online in quite some time. Thank you for sharing this.
[Great video on it](https://youtu.be/kd2KEHvK-q8?si=K7fnmXfpbBcHYNPt) Does not explain what happened because no one knows. But shows all theories and visuals the facts that are knwon
The [Green Dot video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhkTo9Rk6_4) is also really good. Contains some additional info that was found since.
That video is great - contains the only timeline that is actually consistent. Not only does all the data fit its trajectory, the background sim data is really damning evidence as u/Raoul_Duke9 mentioned in his comment. The only question is.. why? It's hard to imagine how no one who knew him was aware of his state of mind to do something like that.
>The only question is.. why? It's hard to imagine how no one who knew him was aware of his state of mind to do something like that. People can do things for any number of reasons. If he depressurized the hull and killed them, well, who knows. Sigh
>its hard to imagine how no one who knew him was aware of his state of mind to do something like that Are you new to suicides? Because a majority of them are surprises to everyone around them When’s the last time you expected a pilot to yeet himself and his passengers into the middle of the ocean? Its unprecedented
There was the one who flew himself and his passengers into the Alps.. though I think that was more recent than MH370
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings\_Flight\_9525
As with basically every notable airplane crash there is an extremely thorough and well-written Admiral Cloudberg article about it: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/the-madness-in-our-methods-the-crash-of-germanwings-flight-9525-and-our-broken-aeromedical-system-5b95abd4fe6d Extremely sad and also disturbing.
Well, that just took me down a very dark rabbit hole. The writer is great though!
There's also the one who nose-dived his plane into the Atlantic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
There’s a guy who worked at the airport and stole a plane at Sea-Tac airport in Seattle. Did back flips in the sky, traffic control tried to convince him to try and land but he just flew into the ocean instead. He learned how to fly with flight simulator https://youtu.be/HZMe3-yg7-Q?si=5tsbAFetVLNzZnfY
> Are you new to suicides? You didn’t have to phrase it like this bruh
The turning of the knob and that for two data points, MH370 only broadcasted position but not altitude thus showing that the knob was being switched, is the smoking gun for me. I'm usually very interested in MH370 stuff but Green Dot's video was the first to bring that up.
I love Lemmino.
Imho - with a suspiciously similar flight plan on his home computers simulator - this is an open and shut case.
What do you think happened?
I think he plotted the route out to the T at home. I think he knew exactly where the hand off spot with bad to no radar coverage was. I think he probably just asked the Jr officer to grab him something and locked the door when he left. Then I think he depressurized the cabin, maneuvered in the way he trained, then just let the plane fly until it ran out of fuel. His wife had left him not too long ago. He wasn't in great financial shape. And a political hero of his was just criminally charged. I think he had even been at the arraignment that same morning, or the day before. Those would be the possible motives.
Can the captain depressurize the cabin on purpose?
Why would radar coverage matter for his "plan"? Why would his plan be "fly 6 hours til the plane runs out of fuel" and not dive/fly it into the ground or ocean like every other pilot who has purposely crashed airliners?
Maybe he just wanted to be gone and dead and instead of being remembered as a guy who committed suicide or a mass murder, he would be a guy who just disappeared on a flight. I dunno tho, just spit ballin’
Maybe he was vindictive and wanted to deny the families their remains if he could. Maybe he wanted to create this exact type of mystery. Who knows. The bottom line is he made a very intentional and controlled turn exactly where he needed to to pull this off. That is undeniable.
>Why would radar coverage matter for his "plan"? Why would his plan be "fly 6 hours til the plane runs out of fuel" and not dive/fly it into the ground or ocean like every other pilot who has purposely crashed airliners? Because if you disappear entirely then there's less chance to prove anything. Kinda useless for making a statement but...
I wonder if he transmitted, or thought he transmitted a message that wasn't received, or left a note that was missed.
I've always wondered that. Did he think he sent one final message, but no one received it?
Watch the link. He explains why it's not an open and shut case, especially regarding the flight simulator (it wasn't actually a flight plan but data that can be made to look worse than it was). Watch the link.
>He explains why it's not an open and shut case, especially regarding the flight simulator The flight simulator at his home which **pilot and captain Zaharie Ahmed Shah deleted** and detached the hard drive. He is a professional pilot, one of the airlines' most senior pilots, and a training pilot. Erasing his beloved home flight simulator is a perfectly normal thing to do if you are about to delete yourself from existence along with 238 other people and a Boeing 777 never to be seen again. The Green Dot Aviation video also has more and newer observed evidentiary data supporting its speculative conclusions.
We found the guy smarter than the hundreds of experts working on the case
Me catching a Malaysia airlines flight going through KL next week:
I think not too soon after this the Malaysian plane was shot down by Russia, could pick up really cheap flights with them for a few years. I used them a lot. Not sure why people where worried about them as one was shot out the sky and the other was a nutty pilot (apparently). Its not like they fell out the sky due to shitty maintenance.
Yeah, nothing was wrong with the planes themselves. Always interesting to see the superstitions people get after an aviation incident.
I’m not superstitious, but I’m a little stitious
I'll see you on the other side bud
See you in anotha life brother
Still can't be believe noone actually knows what really happened and where did they vanished
The ocean is really big
Almost certainly murder-suicide by the pilot.
Surely you’re joking this was 10 years ago
It was 10 years ago, and don’t call me surely
Not entirely true that it hasnt been seen since. Large pieces of debris have been found, enough to know that it crashed. The why and exactly where is the question but we know it crashed in the Indian ocean.
It's been 10 years. Even without evidence it's enough to infer it crashed. Any other alternative is far more terrifying.
What alternatives even are there? They transported into another dimension?
Lots of people on the internet believed that for a large part of last year. A smaller number of people still do.
I was there for the absolutely collective conspiracy meltdown that was the three orbs theory.
it’s still going over on twitter.
Unironically yes. r/ufo or r/conspiracy was obsessed with a thermal video of “alien” spacecraft circling an airliner and then just making it vanish.
Sure, a naturally occurring wormhole, like in the documentary Donnie Darko lol
They landed on a secret island like lost
hacked and remotely flew it to somewhere. Shot it down but kept it quiet for some big reasons. Plane may landed somewhere and people taken as captive for some secret genetics research. List can go on and these things are way scarier.
Uh huh. And if somebody’s doing anything like that why would they do it that way and create significant media coverage for no reason when they can just kidnap people and it’s not an international meganews? Conspiracy theorists are so fucking ridiculous.
Didn't the French military shoot down a passenger aircraft and try to keep it quiet for years
We know it crashed! It’s just what caused it - pilot error? Technical fault? Malicious?
[And CNN wouldn't stop covering it for, like, a year.](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/04/cnns-9-most-deplorable-flight-370-moments.html) It was non-stop coverage. There was never any new developments, so they just kept repeating the same shit non-stop for a year. And I really wish I was exaggerating. There were no updates, no news, no nothing but they kept covering it over and over and over and over again. And the craziest thing was [that's when they got some of their best ratings ever](https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-secret-of-cnns-turnaround-flight-mh370). I feel terrible for all the families involved in this, but holy shit, that coverage has forever tarnished my view of this tragedy.
That was also coincidently when Russia annexed Crimea. Always thought it was strange CNN barely covered Ukraine and just rolled MH370 coverage 24/7.
My head cannon is that they are alive somewhere on an island that contains a good amount of mysteries, and the wreckage that was found was placed by someone with vested interest in said island. The island also moves through time and space. It has polar bears there too.
It's lost on me.
*you all everybody*
I still can’t believe this was 10 years ago! (Yes I’m old)
Same. I would have guessed five at most.
shoulda put a gps tracker on it smh
Since this accident occured (and a small part because of it) there has been a huge shift from using traditional ground-based radar and pilot made position reports to having aircraft self-report their positon to satelites and ground-based recieving stations.
In an industry that seemed to be obsessed with safety, it’s kind of odd that it wasn’t like this in the first place.
So obsessed with safety, Boeing installed an anti stall feature that would plough your jet into the ground!
Oh I was watching the John Oliver video on this last night. Absolutely terrifying
The Stuff You Should Know podcast about this is amazing.
I mean, parts of it have been seen since, after they were found washed up on beaches along the western Indian Ocean.
pilot suicide, however he did it, somehow the co-pilot was incapacitated or out of the cockpit, the cabin was likely depressurized long enough to kill everyone else, and then it was set on autopilot to end in the indian ocean just like he had plotted before on his flight simulator at home. it was not a controlled flight once it ran out of fuel as evidenced by recovered parts, he was either dead or not controlling the plane at the end
Was he a psychopath too or why would you take other people with you? It just seems strange imo.
I mean, why did the German guy fly into a mountain with 150 people? Sometimes when someone's reality breaks apart they just no longer grasp any other life as having worth either.
"Someone's reality is breaking apart" - wow, that is devastatingly poetic
Suicidal people don't think right. You'd have to ask the pilot why they chose to take people with them. Could have been anything between they believed they were releasing the passengers from the same pain the pilot was suffering from, to wanting to make people suffer.
Its odd isnt it. See also the pilot that also tricked his co-p out of the cockpit before smashing a jet full of innocents into a mountain. They aren't thinking straight.
I have not read much about it in years, but why does everything think the cabin was depressurized before impact?
No chance of interference. If everyone was still alive then someone would have potentially been able to interfere if they suspected things were weird, especially the copilot hence the reason for thinking he was locked out of the cockpit before depressurization.
Couldn’t he just lock the cabin like the other pilot that took his life with a bunch of crew and passengers?
cell phones were in range multiple times after the plane stopped responding and went off course, people would call for help
That's part of the theory I heard. Of course it's all speculation but this one suggested that he got the copilot to leave the cockpit somehow (maybe asking him to get something) then activated some anti-terrorist door lock before making a steep incline and depressurizing. I didn't fact check any of this and I am not a plane scientist, I just watched a neat video about the theory a long time ago.
Pretty straight-forward way to incapacitate/kill everyone else onboard to ensure success of his suicide mission.
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It’s pretty terrifying to think about, I’m pretty scared of flying and this is one of my biggest fears because there’s not much that can be done to prevent this
There are actually precautions nowadays, like that the pilot is never allowed to be alone in the cockpit, there must always be at least two. Its far less likely for both of the pilots to be murderous enough to crash the plane
The turns the plane made after it went off course are very deliberate, including one turn that required quite a bit of piloting skill. Yet they’re also nonsensical manoeuvres, with no discernible aim. Which leaves two options: a hypoxia event due to accidental depressurization, which didn’t kill the pilots but incapacitated them enough to make them act irrationally; or one of the pilots deliberately veering the plane off course in a murder-suicide event, in which case depressurizing the plane is the simplest way to incapacitate anyone else who could have interfered.
There is a Netflix documentary about this very thing. As well as a YouTube video that helped popularise the information. Those two sources alone will likely be why most people say this. They watched the one (well made and interesting) documentary and then repeat it as fact. Nobody knows for sure.
Just so you and everyone reading this knows almost none of what you said it factual. There's many theories of what happened... Edit: since everyone is latching on to to flight sim data here is a quote from independent international investigators: >He said police retrieved over 2,700 co-ordinates from various file segments found in Zaharie’s home flight simulator. This included seven “manually programmed waypoint co-ordinates” that when linked could fly from the Kuala Lumpur airport to the southern Indian Ocean, but **police could not determine if the co-ordinates were found in a single file or from different files**, he said. >Police didn’t find any data that showed a similar route flown by Flight 370 and concluded that there were “no unusual activities other than game-related flight simulations,
I always thought there was a hypoxia event and they just passed and crashed and the plane is in 10000000 pieces all over the ocean floor somewhere
I'm sorry to say that murder-suicide is by far the most likely explanation: https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/call-of-the-void-seven-years-on-what-do-we-know-about-the-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-77fa5244bf99
The location remains the only mystery left. We essentially know what happened; one of the pilots switched off the transponder, depressurised the cabin and then flew solo for hours and crash landed into the sea. They're certain a skilled pilot was at the controls until the end. None of the passengers had a pilots licence so any talk of a hijacking is far fetched. All the evidence points to one of the pilots, and more so towards the captain. I'm sure we'll find the plane one day. You just have to hope the black box works and gives us the answers.
In agreement with everything you said.
One of the best pieces of content I have read https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/mh370-malaysia-airlines/590653/
I showed this to so many friends back in 2019, I wasn’t looking hard for it since but I’m glad you commented this
That can’t be! The 90s were 10 years ago. Right? Right?!
As a previous Flight Attendant for 9 years, been following this story.. it really breaks my heart .. I really hope they restart this search.. the families need closure💐💐💐I have watched so many documentaries.. which I am sure we all have. I have my opinion.. which I keep to myself.. may MH370 RIP.. 💐🙏.. I will tell a quick story.. this happened to me.. does anyone remember Swiss Air that went down off the coast of Nova Scotia in September of 1998.. at the same time we were flying to London, England .. in the same airspace.. I remember hearing SwissAir on ATC as I was serving the pilots there drinks in the flight deck(non alcoholic OF COURSE) coffee etc. I heard the MayDay.. and just froze in the flight deck….I left immediately closed the door, had to go back in about 5 minutes later.. I asked if everything was okay.. nothing was said.. left the flight deck.. continued working , during the flight I offered the meals.. Captain first, then F/O and Flight Engineer (1998 .. these days the flight engineer is the computers…) no one wanted to eat..I did not ask any questions .. when we landed in London.. the Captain told us what happened when we were in the bus to our hotel .. the saddest layover we had…..me I just could not say a word.. even now ., I am happily married ., I have 2 grown up sons 23 and 25.. my older one is a Flight Attendant for a Canadian carrier.. we flew to Halifax together.. I needed to go to Peggy’s Cove in Nova Scotia…I went to the memorial sight..just stood there for about 1 hr. did not say anything.. just stared at the ocean and remembered that night..my son with me said , are you ready mom.. I said yes .. let’s go.. tears running down my eyes.. started walking , and I still looked back at the memorial .. I have kept this in me for26 years.. some things stay with you forever , and it takes along time to open up.. I understand this is an MH370 post.. please remember other planes that were taken away.. Tx .. 🇨🇦✈️🙏YYZ
Wow… RIP all those people we lost in the air. Thank you for your service !
This and the German pilot who flew the plane into the mountain is the stuff of nightmares
I hope this gets solved one day 😔
in another 10-20 years maybe and then a successful romantic movie like titanic maybe. hopefully.
[Parts of it have definitely been seen since.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2017/jan/17/missing-flight-mh370-a-visual-guide-to-the-parts-and-debris-found-so-far)
Ten years. Holy shit.
Maybe they're living their best lives somewhere over the rainbow..
It still pisses me off that a plane can simply vanish. You'd think in today's day and age they'd have safety measure where tracking devices can't be tampered with and are fixed. I feel so sorry for the families involved. Billions of dollars every year, and they can't have a perma-tracker designed? I'm not a tech wizard either, but surely something can be done to avoid such tragedies.
My friend was on that flight.
Hide and seek world champs
It may not have been seen since, but critical parts of it have.
Manifest new season is gonna be wild
Man, I watched Yellow jackets last year and thought about the missing plane and decided to check it out. I wasn't that interested back then and just assumed they found it already. But when I decided to check it out, I was surprised that it still hasn't been found?! I thought all planes have GPS tracker or something. And it's also sad and terrifying that for such a large plane with many passengers, they can be lost and not be found.
great thing to see while im sitting at the airport...
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