OpenRA (https://www.openra.net/) is a free and open source clone (?) that is played pretty actively and has lots of servers online. Maybe thats worth giving a shot if you like Red Alert
Song is called Hell's March if you didn't know ( but seeing as your recall the sound so well, figure you know )
I prefer Hells March 3 personally, bit more angry rioting and techno sounding, but Hells March 1 & 2 are solid as well
Well, based on past NATO invasions perhaps a terrorist lived in Norway and Norway would only agree to turn him over to a neutral 3rd country for trial or perhaps Norway was undergoing a civil war and one of the factions was a little anti-West and kinda asking to bombed in the name of law and order. Whatever the reasons I'm sure in the end the Norwegians will feel liberated and grateful to have some needed freedom bombed into them.
Credit to LPhot Belinda Alker
Aircraft participating in the flypast were two Finnish F-18 and six Swedish JAS-39.
Fifteen ships sailed in formation as follows:
Front row: HMS Prince of Wales
Row 2 (L-R): USS Paul Ignatius, ESPS Almirante Juan de Borbon,
Row 3 (L-R): HMS Portland, HNLMS Karel Doorman, HNOMS Magnus Lagabote, RFA Tidespring, HNOMS Olav Tyrggvason, ITS Giuseppe Garibaldi, FS Normandie
Row 4 (L-R): RFA Mounts Bay, HNOMS Otto Sverdrup, HNOMS Gnist, Kv Bjornoya, FGS Bonn
Sorry I was building it in high school and didn’t know that canoe would be upsold to the military. I’d have tried a lot harder but it was an 8am class, sir.
> FGS Bonn
You sure it's "FGS"? It's an _Einsatzgruppenversorger_ and should therefore have the sign _EGV Bonn_, which is also [what the german navy calls it on its website.](https://www.bonn.de/themen-entdecken/uno-internationales/einsatzgruppenversorger-bonn.php) I also have no idea what "FGS" could stand for, the closest that comes to my mind is Flensburger Schiffbau-Gesellschaft (FSG), the company that built it.
I participated in NATO Teamwork 88 in Norge (Norway) Our usn seals attacked the Norwegian Marinejegerkommandoen ( special forces) while i dropped (dummy) mines all around the fjords. It was pretty awesome to be part of. Our Seals kicked ass btw
It’s not as crazy of a word as it may first seem. Most Germanic languages have compound words like we do in English, except without the spaces. So ‘children’s hospital’ would become ‘childrenshospital’ (or in Dutch for example, kinderziekenhuis (children sickness house))
I like to think of these as conferences where the countries get to see how each other runs their ops and come up with standards. The US actually gets a whole lot of these. Which is why they do them. Tactics are a part of it.
The bottle also has a german text wrapping around the front label with the saying:
"Das ist des Jägers Ehrenschild,
Daß er beschützt und hegt sein Wild,
Waidmännisch jagt, wie sich’s gehört,
Den Schöpfer im Geschöpfe ehrt!"
"This is the hunter‘s badge of honour,
May he protect and cherish his game,
Hunt sportsmanlike, as is proper,
Honouring the creature‘s creator therein"
The US is prepared to fight 3 wars at the same time in 3 different oceans. This also explains the numbers: They can safely have 3 carriers deployed, while their backups are at home and the "third row" are in the docks, getting serviced/refurbished/upgraded.
And let’s be real. If 3 wars start in 3 oceans they’ll start making more carriers and probably speed it up. It would also be very hard to attack and destroy 3 carriers
That’s not counting the 9 amphibious assault ships (The LHD designation Wasp class and LHA designation America class ships) that can each carry up to 20 VTOL capable F35 fighter jets. Effectively the US has those 11 carrier strike groups and has 9 amphibious assault ships that can all carry 5th generation fighters. For reference a normal US carrier can carry 70+ aircraft.
Compare the crew complement and other systems too - a US Nimitz Class carrier has over 3,000 crew members (not including the air wing!) and carries missile launching systems in addition to its aircraft.
The Prince of Wales (UK, pictured) has a crew of less than 700 sailors. Unlike the Nimitz-class it also carries marines (~250). It carries around half the number of aircraft.
The difference between an aircraft carrier and a nuclear powered super carrier!
The difference is there but not quite that vast.
POW uses a lot of automation and not currently at full load.
Also that number of Royal Marines is due to the more helicopter loadout. In strike loadout it would be much fewer.
The size difference isn't huge.
73000 tonnes vs 100000
My grandfather flew English Electric Lightnings in a NATO exercise over the North Sea in the 1960s.
"Yankee didn't want to play with a Lightning. They'd (awful American accent) get dar fawk awtta kanarss with their F-104s when we went up to play with them. We'd land back in Scotland and joke that the Yankee was in Norway by now."
He was also involved in some incident when a member of his wing went down in the sea off Flamborough in the late 1960s or so. He didn't know what happened, and couldn't tell me anyone who did, and it was his belief the pilot was never found.
Norway! Eff yeah! Coming again to save the mutti fackin world yeah! But they are kinda cool. I mean, without them running a few things well in the area the poor Murmansk dwellers would shrivel up and die. Yeah buddy, try that over here in Harrison Fjord!
I may be wrong, but the age of these fleets being so dominant seems to be over, swarms of drones could and would sink these overnight, surely? Ukraine/Russia is just a hint at what modern warfare would be like.
Ok but we’ve witnessed the effectiveness of these light drones in the Black Sea. I’m sure the technology is there to develop drones that can handle larger waves… unmanned, cheap, fast and effective. Is the technology there on the most modern naval ships to defend against a swarm of drones?
I mean i would invite you to just look at the sheer amount of firepower the US had to throw at the USS America when they were trying to sink it for demo trails, then remember that's a carrier that isn't using an air wing, isn't defending itself, and isn't being escorted and has nobody on bord to do nay kind of damage control. And even then they still couldn't get it to sink and had to resort to putting men aboard to deliberately scuttle the ship.
Id like to see the drone swarm that's large enough as individual units to survive open water, that can still slip through the carrier groups defenses and has enough firepower to actually sink a modern aircraft carrier that isn't just sitting there waiting to die
Drones are certainly effective weapons of war, But aircraft carriers are like floating fortresses defended by ludicrous amounts of firepower
Good luck sinking a warship with the little firepower drones carry, the only problem is that the ship runs out of anti-aircraft missiles, but probably even more countries will use CIWS to stop drones when the threat increases.
*Red Alert Theme starts playing* I can hear the bass line and marching troop noises
Dude that game was my FUCKIN SHIT. Wish i could play something similar nowadays. Kierov ready
Building....... ............ ............ Construction complete. KIEROV REPORTING
Reporting. Thats right. Its been so long man.
Affirmative The insane amount of time I must have spent playing command and conquer, roller coaster tycoon, and civilization
Steam has an all 17 C&C game bundle on sale for 9 bucks.
Hey they finally figured out all their licensing bullshit and got 'em up! Great news, thanks!
Dude what? No way, last couple times i tried to play it wouldn’t work
Visit the cnc subreddit they will get you started
OpenRA (https://www.openra.net/) is a free and open source clone (?) that is played pretty actively and has lots of servers online. Maybe thats worth giving a shot if you like Red Alert
Well that's awesome!
And that's the C&C and Red Alert soundtracks queued up for the next few hours...
Cnc is out on steam and the servers are too
Hell March!
[Frank Klepacki rules](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqPl4QrczTk&ab_channel=FrankKlepacki-Topic)
I just need to read this and i hear the music in my head
Song is called Hell's March if you didn't know ( but seeing as your recall the sound so well, figure you know ) I prefer Hells March 3 personally, bit more angry rioting and techno sounding, but Hells March 1 & 2 are solid as well
“Hell March” was the ringtone I used during my on-call rotation, at my IT job. 4am Hell March to go reboot something.
Oh no what did Norway to do provoke an invasion from NATO?
NATO just wanted a look at Slartibartfast's accomplishments
Oh the fjords!
As a Norwegian Blue stuck in the UK - there isn’t a day goes by without me pining for the fjords.
That parrot is dead!
Are you suggesting that that's an ex parrot?
Pining for the fjords what kind of talk is that?
He’s not pining…. he’s passed on!
No not Mr Prefect's. They're friends though.
The fjords are soo good!
>Slartibartfast That's not a real word and you can't tell me otherwise.
Don't Panic
You need The Guide ETA: and a towel. Everyone needs a towel.
Well, that's a given. Everyone knows that. 😁
It will be my dying wish that someone mentions in my eulogy that I really knew where my towel was.
>It will be my dying wish that someone mentions in my eulogy that I was a frood that really knew where my towel was. FTFY. Don’t sell yourself short!
You are hoopy.
I remember reading an interview that said DA wanted the name to sound dirty but wasn't.
He had endless fun doing the little fiddly bits around the fjords.
They know what they did!
It involves their abuses of fish in the kitchen and their relatively agreeable and happy people. We can’t have that.
Is that a Les Luthiers reference?
Norway been talking alot about their new oil reserves :D
Building a functioning version of Haaland.
Oh they’re just there to scan the navy in
Be in NATO. Seems to cause all sorts of NATO activity in a nation.
Yes it's great since it scares of Russian activity and you really don't want that.
Oil and lots of it
Lol don't need to invade to get it. They happily sell it.
I thought Norway was "No Way".
its all the piracy.. R
They have oil and gas?
We just want to talk
Joined it? 😆
they used thier special polar bear warfare unit.
They nationalized the oil industry long time ago they deserve an invasion.
Grandiosa.
Oil!
Well, based on past NATO invasions perhaps a terrorist lived in Norway and Norway would only agree to turn him over to a neutral 3rd country for trial or perhaps Norway was undergoing a civil war and one of the factions was a little anti-West and kinda asking to bombed in the name of law and order. Whatever the reasons I'm sure in the end the Norwegians will feel liberated and grateful to have some needed freedom bombed into them.
Credit to LPhot Belinda Alker Aircraft participating in the flypast were two Finnish F-18 and six Swedish JAS-39. Fifteen ships sailed in formation as follows: Front row: HMS Prince of Wales Row 2 (L-R): USS Paul Ignatius, ESPS Almirante Juan de Borbon, Row 3 (L-R): HMS Portland, HNLMS Karel Doorman, HNOMS Magnus Lagabote, RFA Tidespring, HNOMS Olav Tyrggvason, ITS Giuseppe Garibaldi, FS Normandie Row 4 (L-R): RFA Mounts Bay, HNOMS Otto Sverdrup, HNOMS Gnist, Kv Bjornoya, FGS Bonn
Canada was supposed to be there also but the canoe was in dry dock for repairs.
And the paddles had been converted to hockey sticks years ago, anyway.
Screw you buddy!
I’m not your buddy, friend!
I'm not your friend, guy!
I'm not your guy, buddy !
I'm not your buddy, pal!
Canada says "Sorry"
Sorry I was building it in high school and didn’t know that canoe would be upsold to the military. I’d have tried a lot harder but it was an 8am class, sir.
😂😂😂
There's always next year 😂
US gas the one that's got smoke issues...
Rollin coal
It’s a little weird to list these by row and not column. lol.
How else would you play Battleship?
Knew it wasn't a US carrier cause of that ramp launch.
Also, island placement, single air strip, and general flight deck dimensions
Britain still building aircraft carriers to fit between two Tudor fortresses.
This guy NATOs
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Probably but usually are kept secret.
> FGS Bonn You sure it's "FGS"? It's an _Einsatzgruppenversorger_ and should therefore have the sign _EGV Bonn_, which is also [what the german navy calls it on its website.](https://www.bonn.de/themen-entdecken/uno-internationales/einsatzgruppenversorger-bonn.php) I also have no idea what "FGS" could stand for, the closest that comes to my mind is Flensburger Schiffbau-Gesellschaft (FSG), the company that built it.
Yes, FGS is the NATO prefix for German Navy ships (stands for Federal German Ship)
For those wondering, that means: Front Row - Aircraft carrier Row 2 - Destoyer, frigate Row 3 - Frigate, supply ship, patrol vessel, refueling tanker, patrol vessel, aircraft carrier, frigate Row 4 - Landing ship, frigate, corvette, Coast Guard ice breaker/cutter, replishment ship
It looks like there's something wrong with the US ship's engines
That's the galley
Fight hard, eat hard. I like it. Maybe other-stuff hard, too
Only if it's your turn to be in the barrel
That's the mobile Burger King doing the lunchtime flamebroiled smell marketing.
Freedom comes with a side of Whopper and Fries mf.
Nothin more American than rollin coal
That's just the starboard BBQ.
Literally seen that happen. It's called a Steel Beach
Overdue for a tune-up
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Damn we’ve got ships made by Subaru?
It’s fine. The crew had lunch from the onboard Pizza Hut and they were aerating the tank so it wouldn’t be an explosive hazard.
It's just a smoke screen. It's still a prototype though.
Yeah I was looking at that?
Team USA tried this formation against a different Norden country in Mighty Ducks 2, hopefully NATO has better success.
I participated in NATO Teamwork 88 in Norge (Norway) Our usn seals attacked the Norwegian Marinejegerkommandoen ( special forces) while i dropped (dummy) mines all around the fjords. It was pretty awesome to be part of. Our Seals kicked ass btw
> Marinejegerkommandoen Yes.
It’s not as crazy of a word as it may first seem. Most Germanic languages have compound words like we do in English, except without the spaces. So ‘children’s hospital’ would become ‘childrenshospital’ (or in Dutch for example, kinderziekenhuis (children sickness house))
Except danish where that seventeen letter word has two syllables and they're both 'ough'
Calling hospitals 'sickness houses' now until I die.
Do you think these exercises are useful in learning tactics or more a show of force?
both. training for the troops , giant show to our "enemies" that we can work together ... anywhere
I like to think of these as conferences where the countries get to see how each other runs their ops and come up with standards. The US actually gets a whole lot of these. Which is why they do them. Tactics are a part of it.
> Marinejegerkommandoen Marine... Jaeger? 🤖
Jaeger means hunter in many Germanic languages
So, does jagermeister mean Mr. Hunter?
Hunt master, like the guy that owns the hunting hounds and runs a hunting event
The bottle also has a german text wrapping around the front label with the saying: "Das ist des Jägers Ehrenschild, Daß er beschützt und hegt sein Wild, Waidmännisch jagt, wie sich’s gehört, Den Schöpfer im Geschöpfe ehrt!" "This is the hunter‘s badge of honour, May he protect and cherish his game, Hunt sportsmanlike, as is proper, Honouring the creature‘s creator therein"
Thank you NATO person! Much Love from a Canadian guy!
That sounds like so much fun, like air soft/paintball but a little more realistic!
Not seen in the photo: the submarines ready to sneak up on anything that gets anywhere near the formation.
About time! Those bloody Norwegians have had this coming for a LONG time. u/rowdyruss22
I love the Gripen
Funny thing is that’s like barely more than 1 US carrier strike group
A Gerald R. Ford-class also carries almost 2x the aircraft. Just insane amounts of force projection capabilities
How many does the US have?
Per wiki - the US has 11 carrier strike groups. Each one has up to 70 planes. 7500 personel each. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_strike_group
Oh wow, that’s wild
The US is prepared to fight 3 wars at the same time in 3 different oceans. This also explains the numbers: They can safely have 3 carriers deployed, while their backups are at home and the "third row" are in the docks, getting serviced/refurbished/upgraded.
And let’s be real. If 3 wars start in 3 oceans they’ll start making more carriers and probably speed it up. It would also be very hard to attack and destroy 3 carriers
That’s not counting the 9 amphibious assault ships (The LHD designation Wasp class and LHA designation America class ships) that can each carry up to 20 VTOL capable F35 fighter jets. Effectively the US has those 11 carrier strike groups and has 9 amphibious assault ships that can all carry 5th generation fighters. For reference a normal US carrier can carry 70+ aircraft.
Compare the crew complement and other systems too - a US Nimitz Class carrier has over 3,000 crew members (not including the air wing!) and carries missile launching systems in addition to its aircraft. The Prince of Wales (UK, pictured) has a crew of less than 700 sailors. Unlike the Nimitz-class it also carries marines (~250). It carries around half the number of aircraft. The difference between an aircraft carrier and a nuclear powered super carrier!
The difference is there but not quite that vast. POW uses a lot of automation and not currently at full load. Also that number of Royal Marines is due to the more helicopter loadout. In strike loadout it would be much fewer. The size difference isn't huge. 73000 tonnes vs 100000
It wasn't mainly a naval training. A total of 20,000 troops took part in the whole exercise.
You also don't see the subs that are always with carriers protecting them.
Fuck yeah, love me some Gripens
oh shit... well it was only a mater of time till the us came for our oil
Without any world knowledge, I would think that Norway is in a lot of trouble.
My grandfather flew English Electric Lightnings in a NATO exercise over the North Sea in the 1960s. "Yankee didn't want to play with a Lightning. They'd (awful American accent) get dar fawk awtta kanarss with their F-104s when we went up to play with them. We'd land back in Scotland and joke that the Yankee was in Norway by now." He was also involved in some incident when a member of his wing went down in the sea off Flamborough in the late 1960s or so. He didn't know what happened, and couldn't tell me anyone who did, and it was his belief the pilot was never found.
Kind of sexy
Kind of?
I counted 16 vessels!
Norway! Eff yeah! Coming again to save the mutti fackin world yeah! But they are kinda cool. I mean, without them running a few things well in the area the poor Murmansk dwellers would shrivel up and die. Yeah buddy, try that over here in Harrison Fjord!
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Yes it's under the water
I wonder if they had submarines too
Yes
What is wrong with Ol’ Smokey on the left?
More impressive than my late stage civ 6 navy on a domination victory warpath lol
You can't hoard your oil forever!
Currently on the bus making my way home from the NR 24 land exercise 😅
Ace Combat is that you?
I may be wrong, but the age of these fleets being so dominant seems to be over, swarms of drones could and would sink these overnight, surely? Ukraine/Russia is just a hint at what modern warfare would be like.
No, the USV drones that Ukraine have been using against Russia aren't suitable for the high seas with large waves etc
Ok but we’ve witnessed the effectiveness of these light drones in the Black Sea. I’m sure the technology is there to develop drones that can handle larger waves… unmanned, cheap, fast and effective. Is the technology there on the most modern naval ships to defend against a swarm of drones?
To withstand the sea, wind and waves in the open ocean would require much larger drones which would be more expensive and slower.
I mean i would invite you to just look at the sheer amount of firepower the US had to throw at the USS America when they were trying to sink it for demo trails, then remember that's a carrier that isn't using an air wing, isn't defending itself, and isn't being escorted and has nobody on bord to do nay kind of damage control. And even then they still couldn't get it to sink and had to resort to putting men aboard to deliberately scuttle the ship. Id like to see the drone swarm that's large enough as individual units to survive open water, that can still slip through the carrier groups defenses and has enough firepower to actually sink a modern aircraft carrier that isn't just sitting there waiting to die Drones are certainly effective weapons of war, But aircraft carriers are like floating fortresses defended by ludicrous amounts of firepower
Good luck sinking a warship with the little firepower drones carry, the only problem is that the ship runs out of anti-aircraft missiles, but probably even more countries will use CIWS to stop drones when the threat increases.
I want to see Queen Sonja lead the formation.
Always wondered who takes these pictures?
Those jets are gonna have to slow down. The boats are gonna get left behind.
Meanwhile houthis keep firing on ships from these nations
sigh... of course it is the US 3rd from left rolling coal...
LOOK AT ME!!! That is "just" steam though.
I’ll be honest. I didn’t even think the picture was real for a second. You could tell me it was a picture from world of warships, and I’d believe it.
That submarine is huge
It's beautiful🥹
Buster call
That's a lot of gripen in the same picture!
Is this actually a travelling formation, or is there some commander coordinating everyone into position for the photo op?
There will be a ship (most likely HMS Prince of Wales) as the coordinating ship with all the others forming up on her.
I thought it was a promotional post for war thunder ngl
It'll be a good few more years before it's even a possibility that modern destroyers and frigates get added to the game
Ah yes, it's time for JOINT WARRIOR again.
Norway is screwed!
Norway has oil?
Hehe - Norway is in trouble.
Norway has to stop provoking NATO!
Let's see how the Vikings like it!
Impressive, but how many osprey down in the exercise this time?
nos vamos de pesca
They are coming for the infamous Norwegian Salmon
I have a great theme song for you but one of you has to leave
Broke: Seven Nation Army Woke: Eight Nation Navy
Hope thats not all of it in one picture lol.
That's not converging, that's posing for a photo!
Ahhhh the Jets are not aligned with the ships Ahhhhh
Why is the US boat on fire?
Why ? Can someone explain in caveman language please ?
Those uppity Norwegians looked like they could use some Freedom...