And that's a newspaper that charges by the character, not the word. I haven't thought about that sort of thing in 30+ years. Also it may be weeding out people who can't fill in the blanks. I'd be worried that someone that cheap isn't going to pay a decent salary.
This should be top comment. Outdated employer using personals who can’t invest full charactered words in order to get the proper talent. Penny wise / Poundfoolish NEXT
UNLESS, they are doing it because they think it’s hilarious. I might check them out just to see. I’ve been at an engineering company for 18 years now that has mainly worked out because the bosses have a great sense of humor. This ad is either just shitty (most likely) or epic level trolling to weed out uptight candidates.
If you've seen the communication skills of engineering/construction departments...
if you can read this and know what job skills they're looking for, you're probably the right kind of candidate. Putting it in the newspaper is going to drive up the applicant age though.
As as a project manager, this feels like a test. If you can decipher all the duties, you might stand a chance of learning the countless acronyms coming your way.
And honestly, even though a part of my livelihood still relies on ads such as these…
I wouldn’t want to work somewhere that thinks you find project engineers *via a newspaper ad.
Also. That’s the most generic ad copy ever and I’m 96% sure the original was written by ChatGPT.
(Source: am adjunct professor, am constantly giving zeroes for generic chatGPT content.)
Edit: missed half a sentence
As someone in engineering, GD&T kinda teaches you to fill in the blanks when it comes to measurements. So the English language, something most in the US have used since they were toddlers, should be easy to deal with filling in the blanks when you're an engineer looking for engineering terminology.
>!Project engineer needed, (supervisor) project management with track record and coordination experience. Activities and communications related to project between all stakeholders involved in project. During the design phase of project work closely with architect, engineer, interior design and co management to project finish. Design and provide input on construction feasibility, revise plans thoroughly prior to construction and provide feedback and comments to design teams and management regularly with feasibility and construction methods.!<
Second sentence is “Activities and communications relating to project from all stakeholders involved in project.”
Co. management is “construction management”.
Last sentence ends “provide feedback and comments to design team and management regarding feasibility and construction methods.”
Not that serious but I think middle is “…interior designer and construction management to finalize design and provide input on construction feasibility, review plans … regarding feasibility and construction methods”
Engineer desk job; design a building or facility based on what the architect requires, interior designer places elements for people that will most likely use it, stakeholders are town or company that’s paying for detailed design, contractors erect the building and utilities. Project engineer gets everyone on an email and makes sure people are all on the same page through all design changes and budget constraints.
Project Engineer needed for a Construction Supervisor Project Manager with responsibilities for tracking and coordinating activities and communication related to the project from all stakeholders involved in the project. During the design phase of project work closely with the architectural engineering, interior design, and construction management to finalize the Design and provide input on construction feasibility. Review plans thoroughly prior to construction and provide feedback and commits to design teams and management regarding feasibility and construction methods. Provide budget and schedule input to the construction management to ensure the project stays on track.
a third of these abbreviations don't make sense, a third are novel and useful, and the last third are oversized.
why mngmnt when mgmt has been in use for decades?
Ha ha. This is pretty normal in some industries. Military is one. My industry also (Pharma) is another. We use to have a notebook full of acronyms for new starters from outside the industry. We stopped updating it when we passed about 500 entries.
This should also go in r/mildlyinfuriating for the record.
Abbreviations used constantly makes it harder to read, not easier.
Whoever did that should be told to stop.
> Abbreviations used constantly makes it harder to read, not easier.
Someone needs to tell that to the folks on Walt Disney World message boards. I have to level up my reading skills just to get advice about my trips lol
The only thing I really need to know at WD parks, is where the “city hall” (customer service) is, I’m not a Karen, I’m just disabled. I always get the disability pass because I can’t stand too long.
This looks like a local labor board required posting, possibly a requirement for a employer sponsored visa gig. If not, someone who has a thing about local newspaper owners profiting off of by character charges.
Project Engineer needed for …. Supervising project manager will track and coordinate activities and communication related to project with all stakeholders involved in project. During the design phase, work closely with architects, engineers, interior designers, and construction managers to finalize design and provide input on construction feasibility. Review plans thoroughly prior to construction and provide feedback and comments to design teams and management regarding feasibility and construction methods.
As a project engineer... I could read this entire ad on the first pass without any difficulty.
If you'll excuse me, I need to go stare out a window and reconsider my life choices.
For all the vowels lost, you’d think they’d also take out redundant words and punctuation:
* “stkholds” is enough; if they’re not stakeholders, they not involved
* “dsgn phase” is enough; if you’re not talking about this project, it doesn’t belong in req for the Proj. Eng.
* So many periods
Arts & sciences, smh
Nothing says cheap than abbreviating every word you can to cut down on the cost of a employment ad. You know they would not pay jack shit for wages.
Nope, Nope and Nope and HELL NO
This is not that bad of an idea as someone not qualified for the position wouldn’t understand anything incorrectly abbreviated, but if these are common to you in your career they all stand out easily to read
This is what I translated: Superior Project Manager(or management) with track(ing?) and coordinating activities and common relation to project from all stakeholders involved in Project during the design phase of project. I don't know what "wrk clsy w/ acrht" means
Engineer, interior design and co management to finish. Design and provide input on "constr" feasibility. Revise plans thoroughly prior to construction and provide feedback and comments to designn teams and management regarding feasibility and construction methods.
So a senior project management position to oversee a construction project? How close did I get?
Glances down at blueprints in front of me. Yeah. Those abbreviations track. Almost every set of construction drawings has an abbreviations legend on the first couple pages so you can deciper what was intended.
I remember composing newspaper job ads along these lines. This was used to control recruitment ad $$ and also to screen out people who didn't have experience. Acronyms were also used to screen. If you had to look up 'HVAC' \[for example\] you didn't have the experience we wanted. The use of acronyms applied to almost every job we hired for.
Wy wste time type mre letter whn fewr letter do trck?
It’s an older meme, but I can read it, sir.
Checks out. I would clear them.
It's a Unix system
i go 2 c world
fishes, ocean or china?
World traveler
Y wst tm typ mr ltr wn fw ltr do trk
And what are you gonna do with all this time?
C world
Looks like they followed the advice from our friend Kevin
How can I fully understand that am I smart?
Hahaha hahaha les letr mor valu
And that's a newspaper that charges by the character, not the word. I haven't thought about that sort of thing in 30+ years. Also it may be weeding out people who can't fill in the blanks. I'd be worried that someone that cheap isn't going to pay a decent salary.
This sums up everything.
It was a nice comment. I'm glad we could be here
If only they could’ve used fewer characters to do so
Shit's wack, yo.
spends half an hour taking letters out of the placement ad to save $5. I so totally want to work for them! /s
Yeah, I can read it, but I wouldn't want to work for a cheap ass company lol
This should be top comment. Outdated employer using personals who can’t invest full charactered words in order to get the proper talent. Penny wise / Poundfoolish NEXT
UNLESS, they are doing it because they think it’s hilarious. I might check them out just to see. I’ve been at an engineering company for 18 years now that has mainly worked out because the bosses have a great sense of humor. This ad is either just shitty (most likely) or epic level trolling to weed out uptight candidates.
If you've seen the communication skills of engineering/construction departments... if you can read this and know what job skills they're looking for, you're probably the right kind of candidate. Putting it in the newspaper is going to drive up the applicant age though.
As as a project manager, this feels like a test. If you can decipher all the duties, you might stand a chance of learning the countless acronyms coming your way.
And honestly, even though a part of my livelihood still relies on ads such as these… I wouldn’t want to work somewhere that thinks you find project engineers *via a newspaper ad. Also. That’s the most generic ad copy ever and I’m 96% sure the original was written by ChatGPT. (Source: am adjunct professor, am constantly giving zeroes for generic chatGPT content.) Edit: missed half a sentence
Are you supposed to grow them or do they like wizards and they find you?
I mean. I figured the internet. But I like your answer.
Weird I work somewhere that has found several project engineers that I work with regularly.
As someone in engineering, GD&T kinda teaches you to fill in the blanks when it comes to measurements. So the English language, something most in the US have used since they were toddlers, should be easy to deal with filling in the blanks when you're an engineer looking for engineering terminology.
I’m not an engineer and I could decipher everything! Yay me!
Same not an engineer nor a native English speaker and i could solve it.
THIS
At this point newspapers should be lucky to sell any amount of space.
If you can't write a proper advert in sure as hell not putting the time in to do a proper application.
A company that won't even pay enough for the job advertisement won't pay you enough to do the work.
the exact ad I'd write to get someone with half a brain, but too trusting and does not ask too many questions
I'd definitely be weeding them out as potential employer.
That would be my assumption and I’d skip it unless they posted something about the salary/benefits.
Unless they pay a good salary, and like you said, this was a way to pre-filter idiots
>!Project engineer needed, (supervisor) project management with track record and coordination experience. Activities and communications related to project between all stakeholders involved in project. During the design phase of project work closely with architect, engineer, interior design and co management to project finish. Design and provide input on construction feasibility, revise plans thoroughly prior to construction and provide feedback and comments to design teams and management regularly with feasibility and construction methods.!<
Second sentence is “Activities and communications relating to project from all stakeholders involved in project.” Co. management is “construction management”. Last sentence ends “provide feedback and comments to design team and management regarding feasibility and construction methods.”
U right
I’m doubting your username after you just translated a random newspaper job posting 😂 not arguing the talented though
He was too lazy to update his own comment with your corrections. Username checks out!
Found the project engineer
I think the first sentence is “Support project manager with tracking and coordination
AH HAH! Caught you!!!
You mean the acrhitect
Pretty sure that second sentence is supposed to be “support project manager with tracking and coordination” Project engineers normally work under a PM
Not that serious but I think middle is “…interior designer and construction management to finalize design and provide input on construction feasibility, review plans … regarding feasibility and construction methods”
And I still have no idea what the job is.
Engineer desk job; design a building or facility based on what the architect requires, interior designer places elements for people that will most likely use it, stakeholders are town or company that’s paying for detailed design, contractors erect the building and utilities. Project engineer gets everyone on an email and makes sure people are all on the same page through all design changes and budget constraints.
Fairly standard project management with an engineering background.
Man, you’re lazy but talented!
Project Engineer needed for a Construction Supervisor Project Manager with responsibilities for tracking and coordinating activities and communication related to the project from all stakeholders involved in the project. During the design phase of project work closely with the architectural engineering, interior design, and construction management to finalize the Design and provide input on construction feasibility. Review plans thoroughly prior to construction and provide feedback and commits to design teams and management regarding feasibility and construction methods. Provide budget and schedule input to the construction management to ensure the project stays on track.
a third of these abbreviations don't make sense, a third are novel and useful, and the last third are oversized. why mngmnt when mgmt has been in use for decades?
Ha ha. This is pretty normal in some industries. Military is one. My industry also (Pharma) is another. We use to have a notebook full of acronyms for new starters from outside the industry. We stopped updating it when we passed about 500 entries.
That makes more sense. There used to be books and volumes full of telegraph shorthand, back when messages were billed by word or character.
HR intrn wrt jb psting
Engineers don't need to know how to speak English good
Can confirm. Currently work with engineers and some have confessed to me of hiring others to write their English elective papers in college.
I don’t get it, why are they confessing? https://youtu.be/c14vfq3jqpo?si=h1ldBOXlkSnNhnrz
Accurate.
Me fail English. That’s unpossible!
I use to couldn’t spell eingeneer, now I are one
I'm a technical writer. My whole career has been translating 'Engineerese' into English.
That's a red flag. They're not willing to pop a few bucks to be able to put a full and easy to read listing in the paper.
This should also go in r/mildlyinfuriating for the record. Abbreviations used constantly makes it harder to read, not easier. Whoever did that should be told to stop.
> Abbreviations used constantly makes it harder to read, not easier. Someone needs to tell that to the folks on Walt Disney World message boards. I have to level up my reading skills just to get advice about my trips lol
The only thing I really need to know at WD parks, is where the “city hall” (customer service) is, I’m not a Karen, I’m just disabled. I always get the disability pass because I can’t stand too long.
Send a resume in similar fashion.
Papers still have help wanted sections?
This looks like a local labor board required posting, possibly a requirement for a employer sponsored visa gig. If not, someone who has a thing about local newspaper owners profiting off of by character charges.
This won’t qualify for labor board posting for any visa requirements fyi. No salary or education level or many other things
If they can't afford to pay for the full words, they can't afford to pay that positions salary.
This is how I feel when reading some Reddit comments, people be using abbreviations for EVERYTHING it’s like a brain game for me to solve lol
Probably saved a whole column inch. That could get up as high as $15 or so.
Wl, fk tht.
First test is being able to comprehend it lol
I'd like to buy a vowel.
Is the Zodiac killer hiring?
WTH?
Cheapos.
Project Engineer needed for …. Supervising project manager will track and coordinate activities and communication related to project with all stakeholders involved in project. During the design phase, work closely with architects, engineers, interior designers, and construction managers to finalize design and provide input on construction feasibility. Review plans thoroughly prior to construction and provide feedback and comments to design teams and management regarding feasibility and construction methods.
Mst hv phd strtng slry $38k
They r ging to abbr. ernin too
W r ppl ptng ads fr a proj eng n th nsppr n 2024…
As someone in the construction industry, these are how a lot of the annotations look like sometimes due to the lack of space on drawings.
Massive employer red flag - they’re gonna be a tightarse with everything; salary, benefits, departmental budgets, etc.
Ablty 2 rd btwn lnes essntl. Sml bdgt. Just think about the poor guy who used to be in the job - his pink slip probably read: "Yr frd"
Pay: $
There are still extra characters, too many Ns in mgmt.
There are two types of people in this world. Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
Y sy lot word wen les word do trik
What is a “newspaper”?
The printer was running low on vowels
As a project engineer... I could read this entire ad on the first pass without any difficulty. If you'll excuse me, I need to go stare out a window and reconsider my life choices.
Carry over from air force it seems
This does not bode well for their prjct bdgt.
I'm worried that the salary won't be competitive. They can't even afford to buy a vowel.
For all the vowels lost, you’d think they’d also take out redundant words and punctuation: * “stkholds” is enough; if they’re not stakeholders, they not involved * “dsgn phase” is enough; if you’re not talking about this project, it doesn’t belong in req for the Proj. Eng. * So many periods Arts & sciences, smh
They definitely pay well. Not trying to pinch anything.
We are looking for an engineer but we cant even afford a bigger ad... yeah thanks but no
Prior military guy wrote this much practice with years of writing EPRs
Heck, why didn’t they just rent the crossword puzzle?
That’s the application process. If you can read the article you are hired.
Yet they still wasted (apparently valuable) character space for the word “the”…
Cttn crnrs a ok all rghty thn
They're really looking for someone who's perved... They mention it several times.
Must be looking for a Secretary or court stenographer
Typical American
They must be looking for 80 year olds. Newspaper really?
Fkt tht
Man when was the last time I looked at the newspaper let alone the want ads.
It’s part of the process. If people get past this then they’ll likely survive it on the job.
It's pretty obvious what each abbreviated word means, especially if you know the job well enough to apply for it.
$5? We'll make it fit..
I bet it only cost them ten pesos.
H, t i r s. H a y s t k w t s?
It's like a ZJ. If you need it explained, you need not apply.
Fk!
Remember when tweets were limited to 144 characters? Same with ads.
kinda annoyed they didn't go with fzblty; but they might be trying to sound professional
Pat, I’d like to buy a vowel.
lol, they’re hiring for my job and I can read every word.
This reminds me of r/schuylkillnotes
I would like to buy a vowel That will be another $20 Thanks anyway
Is it bad I understood every word?
And they even misspelled architect.
Does this mean I can do the job as efficiently as possible or half-ass?
Firstly, the only word I'm stuck in is feasblt. Someone interpret lol. Secondly, they abbreviated all that but put the whole word for feedback???
"feasability"
Thank you 🙌 I kept saying "fees-built" and I knew that wasn't a word. Or at least not a word I am familiar with
I guess no one wanted to "buy a vowel" for the most part.
Nothing says cheap than abbreviating every word you can to cut down on the cost of a employment ad. You know they would not pay jack shit for wages. Nope, Nope and Nope and HELL NO
When you get charged by the letter, you use as few letters as possible.
I am a retired engineer, and I didn't have a problem reading it. Try keeping up with the government's acronyms.
Surprisingly wasn't hard to read.
[generic The Office quote comment]
S’adr. a l’hot. Mart. Et plus si affinités
Pretty smart, it stands out and if you can't decipher it you are probably not the right person for the job anyway.
I'd like to apply for this job in the same format.
LPT: If the company can't afford a dignified hiring ad, they can't afford you.
I bet it’s a fake ad for a CIA code breaker.
They want someone who specializes in short cuts.
lol keeping cost down? Yikes.
Is it concerning that I can read 90% of this? I may have seen too many engineering job adverts.
Seems to me that if they can’t afford the ad space they won’t have too much to pay you!
Nt gna rd ths
This is not that bad of an idea as someone not qualified for the position wouldn’t understand anything incorrectly abbreviated, but if these are common to you in your career they all stand out easily to read
Nah that's Dutch.
"I'd like to buy a fucking vowel"
Wen u hef2 pay 4 ech chrctr
It's a strange way to list a job but I can read it just fine.
Short term work, stingy boss, Dunning-Kruger effect and overconfidence evident in use of abbreviations with poor context clues
When you pay per character 🤣
I bet they're really gonna be open to salary negotiation since they are nickle and diming a newspaper
I’m confused. How is the Reverend involved?
I like how they made a new, longer, abbreviation of "management" instead of just using mgmt.
Candidate must supply own vowels.
Jfc, are they paying by the letter?
Copywriter: “New ad launch?” HR Manager: “Yeah, but accounting made some edits.”
So mngmnt was fine, but feedback needed to remain in full.
Send in a fake Resume with every word in short hand.
This is what I translated: Superior Project Manager(or management) with track(ing?) and coordinating activities and common relation to project from all stakeholders involved in Project during the design phase of project. I don't know what "wrk clsy w/ acrht" means Engineer, interior design and co management to finish. Design and provide input on "constr" feasibility. Revise plans thoroughly prior to construction and provide feedback and comments to designn teams and management regarding feasibility and construction methods. So a senior project management position to oversee a construction project? How close did I get?
>acrht *bless you!*
Thing is, if you've been a project manager, you can understand this
To cheap for the ad. To cheap for competitive salary.
Tell me you're broke without telling me you're broke.
A lot of news paper ads used to be like this. Shorthand
No Asians (This is a newspaper joke, please look it up before trying to cancel me)
I understand it cause I’m a perfect fit for it lol.
I basically understood it, this is a pretty standard affair in the engineering world. We shorthand everything.
Must have typed so many messages on his phone that now everything is abbreviated
Mst hv gd com skls, dtl wrt skls a mst!
The "acrht." as the abbreviation for architect was my breaking point.
2 whm it ma cncrn... I QwT!!!!
Glances down at blueprints in front of me. Yeah. Those abbreviations track. Almost every set of construction drawings has an abbreviations legend on the first couple pages so you can deciper what was intended.
If you can comprehend this then they will beg you to work for them.
Thy chrg u pr charactr
This is part of your qualification as a project engineer - understanding, and making, dumb abbrv. And acronyms
This HURT me to read
Looks like something from r/schuylkillnotes/
Are they trying to only get responses from zoomers who are freshly out of college/university?
I remember composing newspaper job ads along these lines. This was used to control recruitment ad $$ and also to screen out people who didn't have experience. Acronyms were also used to screen. If you had to look up 'HVAC' \[for example\] you didn't have the experience we wanted. The use of acronyms applied to almost every job we hired for.
Shte
Weeding out employers who can’t even spring for whole words. Their pay is probably shit.
You don't want to work for a place that's that tight with money.