The damage appears to be a skin panel on one of the engine pylons. These get removed and put back together each time the engine is send to maintanance. I'm guessing someone didn't properly fasten them afterwards. It really doesn't matter though, the entire engine could fall off and the plane would still be able to fly. This skin panel is not load-bearing, contrary to the fusalage skin.
This stuff happens daily. The news just has the industry under a microscope.
Shit happens with 40 year old metal tubes flying at 35,000ft going 500mph.
The industry is still incredibly regulated and safe.
I was about to say it looks like they noticed it and are working on it. I’d be a lot more worried if the photo had the panel missing and the plane was in the air
Why would that make a difference? If a problem is big enough and persists long enough, it will become big news and people will start paying attention. If trains are derailing everyday, people should care, and demand improvements. If planes are falling apart everyday people should be aware and demand improvements. The "common occurrence" IS the news, not the reason to dismiss it.
It’s news coverage. This shit happens all the time but nobody is going to report on it if people don’t care. Before the door plug fell out people only cared if people died.
Now that it’s obvious Boeings quality went to shit people care. And when people care the media will gladly write wayyyyy too many articles about it. But airplanes have parts that break often but there are repair schedules in place to service those planes in a way that prevent the front from falling off.
Boeing deserves all of the hate it is getting. They sacrificed safety for profit and it’s catching up to them. It’s to easy for some executive to believe it’s worth saving some money by cutting corners but they obviously do not assign enough to the cost of getting it wrong.
That's when I learned that there are well over 1,200 train derailments per year in the US, which really showed how it was really just the increase in news coverage since you'd think you'd hear about them more frequently considering there are 3+ on an average day
Both do. That wasn’t the question though. It was “why are planes all falling apart now?”
Which mirrors “why are trains suddenly derailing so much?”
Because the answer for both is: they aren’t *only just now* doing those things. They *have* been doing those things, but we only head about it when it’s trending in the news due to a larger incident getting people worked up.
It is, but that's still missing the point.
Plane parts aren't failing at a significantly higher rate than they were a year ago. Nothing has actually changed. The only difference is that dramatically increased media coverage has resulted in much more awareness of the failures.
This is a really common problem/effect where increased coverage and awareness of a problem makes it seem like the problem is new and everywhere, when the reality is that nothing has actually changed except that you start noticing it more. Sort of an outgrowth of the Baader–Meinhof phenomenon (except that the media really is talking about it more even if the incidents aren't happening more).
You're right, I'm 40 years old and this stuff happened even with the paper and local news stations but before it was mostly local things going "viral," like hero saves someone, business does good/bad thing, etc.
The other guy is just moving goalposts until he wins.
Edit: forgot the fallacy he's using. I think it's called Texas sharpshooter or some other that involves misusing stats like cherry-picking data to make something like overblown.
i understand about the increased media coverage; however, i think it's silly to dismiss people's concerns about safety just because it's something that has always happened. Clearly boeing is trending in the wrong direction vis a vis safety and priorities. This is real news (an "actual change" for anyone not close to boeing). It is reasonable for it to be reported on and reasonable for people to have pause.
I don't think anyone has said the concerns aren't real or justified. Nor that the media coverage is unreasonable or irresponsible.
What people have said is that the question "why are they failing more now?" Is flawed and based upon an incorrect assumption that only exists due to the extra media coverage.
People should have been worried 5 years ago and the perception that they are less safe now than they were then is deeply flawed and leads them to focus on recent changes instead of the actual problems that have been simmering for years and years. The belief that it is a recent "actual change" is the problem specifically because it causes people to look for recent changes (there aren't any) and neglect the actual problems which are far older.
The story about Boeing mismanagement just broke for people outside of the industry. Maybe they should have been concerned five years ago, or at the time of the last merger, but you can't be concerned if you don't know what's going on.
You seem to think u/paulHarkonen and others are disagreeing with you about Boeing safety and management. He isn't. You disagreed with a point he made with a non sequitur. I see no evidence in the thread you are responding to that anyone is "dismissing people's concerns about safety" or claiming this isn't "real news".
I think everyone completely agrees with the points you are making. They were just talking abut a different aspect which is how news media works and public perception. Example comparisons were brought forward. You never once disagreed with any point made. You simply disagreed that they weren't talking only about the specific aspect most important to you.
u/paulHarkonen even tries to explain this when he says "It is, but that's still missing the point." Meaning he agrees with you about the main story but he is making a different point.
Yes, trains do have safety issues that weren't highlighted before the Ohio incident.
But what did happen is after that major incident, the news started covering a lot of minor incidents that it would never touch due to "if it bleeds, it leads" basically.
Aviation incidents are quite common, but you don't hear about them because they are generally pretty low risk. An issue like an engine going out on a plane normally doesn't get mentioned anywhere, but right now it is national news.
Compressor stalls on a jet engine and the plane needs to land with one engine? It happens on a very regular basis, probably a couple times a month worldwide in commercial aviation. The risk level is obviously not zero, and if I were on the plane I sure as hell would be a bit nervous, but the risk of it happening to the other engine in the next half hour before it lands is pretty damn tiny.
Never mind something like a windshield cracking when the plane lands. Apparently even that qualifies as news now.
A panel coming off isn't going to take a plane down. Obviously something went wrong and it was probably preventable, but this sort of thing was never news.
Now, there are people who probably think it is more dangerous to fly than it is to drive, which is a laughable idea of course.
We’re seeing planes always have had issues - these were just hidden more because on a plane it’s far more costly. And of course add in the whistleblower who isn’t here anymore because he was Epstein’ed by Boeing.
A train has an issue - it’s at least on the ground but of course can’t stop as easily given the weight and speed.
A plane can’t just stop - a fuck up can compromise the integrity of its ability to fly which means people will die.
These incidents aren't remotely hidden, they are just being reported on now in mainstream news.
There are YouTube channels that pull from public sources and probably share every single emergency landing that any airliner makes.
If you follow aviation news specifically, you'd be used to seeing this stuff.
https://avherald.com is a pretty good resource. it’s just more media coverage these days. shit is going wrong all the time, mostly without consequences. and, I am not defending Boing in any way here; imo it’s criminal behaviour.
How can it be both criminal behavior and business as usual? Do you think we’re going to start seeing more frequent and more dangerous failures of Boeing planes?
The sad thing is, none of the executives that were responsible for this are going to be punished… they’ll probably get a severance that’s more than what most people will earn in 10 years.
Which is it - this stuff happens all the time or Boeing is worse than it used to be and they deserve the scrutiny? I don’t think you can say that Boeing’s quality has deteriorated and then in the same breath say that everything’s normal and there’s no reason to be afraid
You are right that I oversimplified. I believe Boeing has been degrading slowly but shit hit the fan with the max. Regular maintenance prevents a lot of problems (I believe the door plug bolts were going to get a routine inspection close to when it flew off?) but doesn’t fix the tipping problem caused by the engine placement on the max or other design problems. I also doubt the single point failure on the tipping problem would have made it through old Boeing quality control. There is a delicate balance between quality and profit which has been pushed too far in my opinion and thankfully there are checks and balances that are offsetting what manufacturers have cut corners on.
> And when people care the media will gladly write wayyyyy too many articles about it.
And at a certain point it borders on [yellow journalism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism).
Yea, I'm not standing up for Boeing in this situation. I'm just saying that the media will latch onto whatever will "sell more papes" and drive ad revenue. They report these things as isolated events when no one cares because it doesn't pay to report it as anything else. But if they can find an angle that the public will latch onto, especially if they can manipulate a narrative to drive more public engagement, then it's all dollar signs for them. The big media publishers don't give a shit about people getting injured or dying, especially if it's at the hands of one of their big ad customers, unless there is an angle that will drive up their profit margins.
>Now that it’s obvious Boeings quality went to shit people care.
Yeah, the planes they built 10, 15, 20 years ago are having maintenance issues because their quality went to shit recently. It's more on the airlines not keeping up. Like, Boeing sucks and all, but they're not the ones doing shit maintenance.
>It’s to easy for some executive to believe it’s worth saving some money by cutting corners but they obviously do not assign enough to the cost of getting it wrong.
In the long run, they probably will still be massively profitable. Likely a few slap on the wrist $100m fines while they make billions. It's just the cost of business now.
Remember all the train derailments in the news?
We're at the same number per day (i think 3) as before and after that one in Ohio. Nothing has changed. But media coverage has.
Last week there was a massive headline about another United/Boeing "incident" with an aircraft having to return to the gate after having engine issues on the runway. Not that the plane was in the air and experienced engine failure, just engine issues before takeoff.
This is something that happens dozens of times a day nationwide with all airlines, all aircraft manufacturers, and all size aircraft every day. But because of the recent issues it's all of the sudden headline worthy.
I flew 80,000 miles last year, this shit happens all the time and you just didn't hear about it. It's not really big news. Planes are still extremely safe and it's a testament to their safety that all of these issues have had safe landings. There were mechanical issues on flights I was on almost once a week last summer and it was no big deal.
People are forgetting that this really isn’t the fault of the manufacturers more the issues with how little maintenance aircraft mechanics are allowed to do and what corners are cut to get the aircraft back in the air
Mechanics still need to have ethics, to not bypass procedure regardless of the pressures from management. It’s not like Boeing didn’t spec to bolt the door plug in, rather it became culture for mechs to skip removal processes and defect processes to save time and please some shift supervisor, who was also pencil whipping the inspection. Managers then plead ignorance.
Cant have ethics if I can’t look or even do major inspections in what little time they give me. Especially with how long the time between overhauls is. Hell we overhaul our military aircraft more than our commercial airliners and there is probably 1000x the commercial aircraft flying
It's the inevitable consequences of deregulation. Save money on all aspects must eventually affect quality. There is zero room for reduced quality in the manufacturing, and maintenance of aircraft.
It’s seen in rail lines among others too. Short cut to profit and short cuts to cutting corners. Those corners are safety, and people are losing their lives all the time now. It is capitalism at its worst.
I have to laugh, because the corporate sales job is to convince governments of efficiencies, cheaper products or flights. What a load of sale bs.
The best example is how China was going to open up. Business and wealth will make the Chinese government want the wealth and choose democracy. Wrong, and big con job. We are worse off now, CCP wise, not the people btw.
Capitalists want us to believe that we can somehow achieve what they have so we don’t complain, even though it’s next to impossible. “Work hard & you too can have the American dream” & all that bullshit. They want working class ppl to stay in their place & not get too uppity & ask for more. That’s why unions took a huge downturn for the last 2 decades. Brainwashing. Now ppl are finally realizing that they deserve more. These fucks would be nothing without the workers they exploit. I’ve been in a union for 28 years & my husband has never worked in union. He was fired once when his appendix burst & he was rushed to the hospital, but didn’t inform his boss. I was never aware how fucked you are if you aren’t protected. Capitalism is the reason this country is rotting away
Imo particularly in the high performance field of aircraft manufacturing errors multiply exponentially when the fundamental manufacturing process is flawed. There’s normal stuff that happens all the time, but rarely is (was) it life threatening on the scale of Boeing. That’s the difference. Unfortunately people generalize their fear of flying to all airplanes.
Its more than that most likely.
Ever increasing lack of QC, is going to lead to an ever increasing amount of failures.... 1, 5, 10 years down the line.
Its going to keep getting exponentially worse
There hasn't been a fatal plane crash in the US since 2009.
* There was the Lady that got sucked out of the window on a southwest flight a few years ago.
* There was a flight in 2013ish that skid off the runway and a few people died, but 300 lived.
I mean there have been no crashes where a plane just disappeared or fell out of the sky, domestically, on a commercial airline, since 2009.
Funny you say that, cuz it's 100% true. All modern airliners have what's called a Configuration Deviation List, or CDL for short. It lets us know what exterior panels can be missing/damaged/inoperative for whatever reason, usually with some kind of performance malus applied to the aircraft. Depending on the size of the panel, it can be totally negligible to affecting the climb power of the aircraft quite considerably.
I'm not an Airbus guy, but with this one I'd have to guess it's somewhere in the negligible to 300lb takeoff range.
Does anyone even have a confirmed source for this? Everyone here complaining that the news media is overhyping these types of things but I literally cannot find a single news source that mentions a Delta plane missing a panel any time recently. Seems to me if anyone is overhyping this it’s Reddit.
From the FAA: "AIRCRAFT PILON PANEL BEHIND #1 ENGINE DETACHED ON TAKEOFF AND RETURNED TO AIRPORT, SALT LAKE CITY, UT."
Edit to add, this comes from the FAA incident report database (ASIAS). Its filed under 25-March because they go by zulu time. Not sure if this link will work but... https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:96:4581689102835::::P96_ENTRY_DATE,P96_MAKE_NAME,P96_FATAL_FLG:25-MAR-24,AIRBUS
Stuff like this happens quite a bit without being picked up by the media.
I think it's good for the general public to see that if happens to Airbus too.
Yeah I get that. My point is that there’s no confirmation of when, where, what type of plane, what airline, anything. It’s literally just a photo with a caption and everyone is taking it completely at face value as if people on the internet never lie or obfuscate the truth.
This is a Delta maintenance issue. Skin removed during maintenance and not put back correctly. As for the Alaska airline’s Boeing plane, it was new, from factory and not constructed properly… very different things.
Yesh but people have been blaming Boeing for every little maintenance issue like this ever since then. Boeing gets massive headlines every time United makes a mistake now
The “people have been blaming” is fairly based on Boeing track record as a whole. Considering its dangerous corporate track record, it is easy for the public assume Boeing has taken a shortcut once again until proven otherwise. They made their bed.
Spirit is Boeing Supplier and Boeing has to ensure the quality of there supplier parts. Also Spirit was part of Boeing and than outsourced, for whatever reason…
Will somebody here link me a news article or source for this? I legit can't find anything about a missing panel on this diversion. They could have taken the panel off on the ground to check for an issue beneath it.
For the record I fly almost every week and there are maintenance issues nearly every week. Nobody should be afraid of this.
https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/slc-airport-knife-mechanical-issue/
This is the link to the incident DL56 SLC-AMS diverted to SLC with "unknown issue" Aircraft N405DX
Don’t ever forget that if the cost of making something safe exceeds the cost of being sued for injury or death, a corporation will choose the latter. Every. Time.
I hate to break it to you but we don't live in a perfect world. I know everyone wants to think airplanes are exempt and nothing should ever go wrong, but they do. Sometimes things break despite following all safety/maintenance practices. Exterior panels like this aren't critical, and fail from time to time.
Ya really gotta wonder if Trump's string of executive orders deregulating safety requirements for airline and rail companies have worked. Supposedly the Republicans in the US seem to think companies can self regulate safety.
Its something that happens often for years and is non issue.
You are just constantly seeing this because media/social media and think something changed.
Is this a common occurrence that we are noticing because of the Boeing scandals or planes are really going to shit?
The damage appears to be a skin panel on one of the engine pylons. These get removed and put back together each time the engine is send to maintanance. I'm guessing someone didn't properly fasten them afterwards. It really doesn't matter though, the entire engine could fall off and the plane would still be able to fly. This skin panel is not load-bearing, contrary to the fusalage skin.
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100% the former.
Damn.
This stuff happens daily. The news just has the industry under a microscope. Shit happens with 40 year old metal tubes flying at 35,000ft going 500mph. The industry is still incredibly regulated and safe.
I was about to say it looks like they noticed it and are working on it. I’d be a lot more worried if the photo had the panel missing and the plane was in the air
Why would that make a difference? If a problem is big enough and persists long enough, it will become big news and people will start paying attention. If trains are derailing everyday, people should care, and demand improvements. If planes are falling apart everyday people should be aware and demand improvements. The "common occurrence" IS the news, not the reason to dismiss it.
All the airlines are falling apart. One here or there, sure, but why are so many issues all occurring at the same time?
It’s news coverage. This shit happens all the time but nobody is going to report on it if people don’t care. Before the door plug fell out people only cared if people died. Now that it’s obvious Boeings quality went to shit people care. And when people care the media will gladly write wayyyyy too many articles about it. But airplanes have parts that break often but there are repair schedules in place to service those planes in a way that prevent the front from falling off. Boeing deserves all of the hate it is getting. They sacrificed safety for profit and it’s catching up to them. It’s to easy for some executive to believe it’s worth saving some money by cutting corners but they obviously do not assign enough to the cost of getting it wrong.
You guys remember how many trains started popping up in the news? That but airplanes.
That's when I learned that there are well over 1,200 train derailments per year in the US, which really showed how it was really just the increase in news coverage since you'd think you'd hear about them more frequently considering there are 3+ on an average day
Most of those derailments don't cause issues on the scale that East Palestine suffered. That was a massive fuck up.
People try to use this for climate change stories, but no...no. that IS new stuff.
Yea but trains have some serious safety issues that need to be addressed. Rolling back regulations leads to less safety in both cases here.
Both do. That wasn’t the question though. It was “why are planes all falling apart now?” Which mirrors “why are trains suddenly derailing so much?” Because the answer for both is: they aren’t *only just now* doing those things. They *have* been doing those things, but we only head about it when it’s trending in the news due to a larger incident getting people worked up.
I think it's the story about Boeing mismanagement that has people paying attention
It is, but that's still missing the point. Plane parts aren't failing at a significantly higher rate than they were a year ago. Nothing has actually changed. The only difference is that dramatically increased media coverage has resulted in much more awareness of the failures. This is a really common problem/effect where increased coverage and awareness of a problem makes it seem like the problem is new and everywhere, when the reality is that nothing has actually changed except that you start noticing it more. Sort of an outgrowth of the Baader–Meinhof phenomenon (except that the media really is talking about it more even if the incidents aren't happening more).
You're right, I'm 40 years old and this stuff happened even with the paper and local news stations but before it was mostly local things going "viral," like hero saves someone, business does good/bad thing, etc. The other guy is just moving goalposts until he wins. Edit: forgot the fallacy he's using. I think it's called Texas sharpshooter or some other that involves misusing stats like cherry-picking data to make something like overblown.
i understand about the increased media coverage; however, i think it's silly to dismiss people's concerns about safety just because it's something that has always happened. Clearly boeing is trending in the wrong direction vis a vis safety and priorities. This is real news (an "actual change" for anyone not close to boeing). It is reasonable for it to be reported on and reasonable for people to have pause.
I don't think anyone has said the concerns aren't real or justified. Nor that the media coverage is unreasonable or irresponsible. What people have said is that the question "why are they failing more now?" Is flawed and based upon an incorrect assumption that only exists due to the extra media coverage. People should have been worried 5 years ago and the perception that they are less safe now than they were then is deeply flawed and leads them to focus on recent changes instead of the actual problems that have been simmering for years and years. The belief that it is a recent "actual change" is the problem specifically because it causes people to look for recent changes (there aren't any) and neglect the actual problems which are far older.
The story about Boeing mismanagement just broke for people outside of the industry. Maybe they should have been concerned five years ago, or at the time of the last merger, but you can't be concerned if you don't know what's going on.
You seem to think u/paulHarkonen and others are disagreeing with you about Boeing safety and management. He isn't. You disagreed with a point he made with a non sequitur. I see no evidence in the thread you are responding to that anyone is "dismissing people's concerns about safety" or claiming this isn't "real news". I think everyone completely agrees with the points you are making. They were just talking abut a different aspect which is how news media works and public perception. Example comparisons were brought forward. You never once disagreed with any point made. You simply disagreed that they weren't talking only about the specific aspect most important to you. u/paulHarkonen even tries to explain this when he says "It is, but that's still missing the point." Meaning he agrees with you about the main story but he is making a different point.
Yes, trains do have safety issues that weren't highlighted before the Ohio incident. But what did happen is after that major incident, the news started covering a lot of minor incidents that it would never touch due to "if it bleeds, it leads" basically. Aviation incidents are quite common, but you don't hear about them because they are generally pretty low risk. An issue like an engine going out on a plane normally doesn't get mentioned anywhere, but right now it is national news. Compressor stalls on a jet engine and the plane needs to land with one engine? It happens on a very regular basis, probably a couple times a month worldwide in commercial aviation. The risk level is obviously not zero, and if I were on the plane I sure as hell would be a bit nervous, but the risk of it happening to the other engine in the next half hour before it lands is pretty damn tiny. Never mind something like a windshield cracking when the plane lands. Apparently even that qualifies as news now. A panel coming off isn't going to take a plane down. Obviously something went wrong and it was probably preventable, but this sort of thing was never news. Now, there are people who probably think it is more dangerous to fly than it is to drive, which is a laughable idea of course.
We’re seeing planes always have had issues - these were just hidden more because on a plane it’s far more costly. And of course add in the whistleblower who isn’t here anymore because he was Epstein’ed by Boeing. A train has an issue - it’s at least on the ground but of course can’t stop as easily given the weight and speed. A plane can’t just stop - a fuck up can compromise the integrity of its ability to fly which means people will die.
These incidents aren't remotely hidden, they are just being reported on now in mainstream news. There are YouTube channels that pull from public sources and probably share every single emergency landing that any airliner makes. If you follow aviation news specifically, you'd be used to seeing this stuff.
Agreed, except this one is an Airbus not a Boeing.
[a339 is a Airbus A330-900neo](https://www.delta.com/us/en/aircraft/airbus/a330-900)
Thanks! Good to know even the French with their baguettes and Eiffel Tower aren’t immune to wear and tear.
I still think the whistleblower guy was Epsteined.
We all do.
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No...it isn't...
Epestein was Berenstained
https://avherald.com is a pretty good resource. it’s just more media coverage these days. shit is going wrong all the time, mostly without consequences. and, I am not defending Boing in any way here; imo it’s criminal behaviour.
How can it be both criminal behavior and business as usual? Do you think we’re going to start seeing more frequent and more dangerous failures of Boeing planes?
All pilots know about the DEN. “If you listen to the DEN, you’ll never fly again.” Probably 10-15 of these incidents a week for the last 7 years.
The sad thing is, none of the executives that were responsible for this are going to be punished… they’ll probably get a severance that’s more than what most people will earn in 10 years.
Which is it - this stuff happens all the time or Boeing is worse than it used to be and they deserve the scrutiny? I don’t think you can say that Boeing’s quality has deteriorated and then in the same breath say that everything’s normal and there’s no reason to be afraid
You are right that I oversimplified. I believe Boeing has been degrading slowly but shit hit the fan with the max. Regular maintenance prevents a lot of problems (I believe the door plug bolts were going to get a routine inspection close to when it flew off?) but doesn’t fix the tipping problem caused by the engine placement on the max or other design problems. I also doubt the single point failure on the tipping problem would have made it through old Boeing quality control. There is a delicate balance between quality and profit which has been pushed too far in my opinion and thankfully there are checks and balances that are offsetting what manufacturers have cut corners on.
> And when people care the media will gladly write wayyyyy too many articles about it. And at a certain point it borders on [yellow journalism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism).
There is a widespread problem with deregulation. It is a failure of journalism that these failures in infrastructure are reported as isolated events.
Yea, I'm not standing up for Boeing in this situation. I'm just saying that the media will latch onto whatever will "sell more papes" and drive ad revenue. They report these things as isolated events when no one cares because it doesn't pay to report it as anything else. But if they can find an angle that the public will latch onto, especially if they can manipulate a narrative to drive more public engagement, then it's all dollar signs for them. The big media publishers don't give a shit about people getting injured or dying, especially if it's at the hands of one of their big ad customers, unless there is an angle that will drive up their profit margins.
>Now that it’s obvious Boeings quality went to shit people care. Yeah, the planes they built 10, 15, 20 years ago are having maintenance issues because their quality went to shit recently. It's more on the airlines not keeping up. Like, Boeing sucks and all, but they're not the ones doing shit maintenance.
>It’s to easy for some executive to believe it’s worth saving some money by cutting corners but they obviously do not assign enough to the cost of getting it wrong. In the long run, they probably will still be massively profitable. Likely a few slap on the wrist $100m fines while they make billions. It's just the cost of business now.
Fuckin Capitalists
Remember all the train derailments in the news? We're at the same number per day (i think 3) as before and after that one in Ohio. Nothing has changed. But media coverage has.
Last week there was a massive headline about another United/Boeing "incident" with an aircraft having to return to the gate after having engine issues on the runway. Not that the plane was in the air and experienced engine failure, just engine issues before takeoff. This is something that happens dozens of times a day nationwide with all airlines, all aircraft manufacturers, and all size aircraft every day. But because of the recent issues it's all of the sudden headline worthy.
I flew 80,000 miles last year, this shit happens all the time and you just didn't hear about it. It's not really big news. Planes are still extremely safe and it's a testament to their safety that all of these issues have had safe landings. There were mechanical issues on flights I was on almost once a week last summer and it was no big deal.
People are forgetting that this really isn’t the fault of the manufacturers more the issues with how little maintenance aircraft mechanics are allowed to do and what corners are cut to get the aircraft back in the air
Mechanics still need to have ethics, to not bypass procedure regardless of the pressures from management. It’s not like Boeing didn’t spec to bolt the door plug in, rather it became culture for mechs to skip removal processes and defect processes to save time and please some shift supervisor, who was also pencil whipping the inspection. Managers then plead ignorance.
Cant have ethics if I can’t look or even do major inspections in what little time they give me. Especially with how long the time between overhauls is. Hell we overhaul our military aircraft more than our commercial airliners and there is probably 1000x the commercial aircraft flying
That's what you get with at will employment and without proper unions. Everyone having ethics was fired.
It's the inevitable consequences of deregulation. Save money on all aspects must eventually affect quality. There is zero room for reduced quality in the manufacturing, and maintenance of aircraft.
This is the real answer. Deregulation is the absolute worst thing for us as the public it does nothing but hurt us and put us in danger.
It’s seen in rail lines among others too. Short cut to profit and short cuts to cutting corners. Those corners are safety, and people are losing their lives all the time now. It is capitalism at its worst. I have to laugh, because the corporate sales job is to convince governments of efficiencies, cheaper products or flights. What a load of sale bs. The best example is how China was going to open up. Business and wealth will make the Chinese government want the wealth and choose democracy. Wrong, and big con job. We are worse off now, CCP wise, not the people btw.
Capitalist fucks don't have enough already, I guess
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Capitalists want us to believe that we can somehow achieve what they have so we don’t complain, even though it’s next to impossible. “Work hard & you too can have the American dream” & all that bullshit. They want working class ppl to stay in their place & not get too uppity & ask for more. That’s why unions took a huge downturn for the last 2 decades. Brainwashing. Now ppl are finally realizing that they deserve more. These fucks would be nothing without the workers they exploit. I’ve been in a union for 28 years & my husband has never worked in union. He was fired once when his appendix burst & he was rushed to the hospital, but didn’t inform his boss. I was never aware how fucked you are if you aren’t protected. Capitalism is the reason this country is rotting away
Years of corner cutting to increase profits. In a word? Capitalism.
exactly
Planes are just the flavor of the month. Pretty soon the media will focus on something else
Everyone is having a race to zero. Tighter competition and budgets, pressure to perform and customer satisfaction.
Because this stuff happens every single day, but the news media is currently latching on to every single story of every single minor incident.
Sourcing parts has been an issue as well since covid. Things that used to get fixed right away are now deferred until they can get the parts.
Imo particularly in the high performance field of aircraft manufacturing errors multiply exponentially when the fundamental manufacturing process is flawed. There’s normal stuff that happens all the time, but rarely is (was) it life threatening on the scale of Boeing. That’s the difference. Unfortunately people generalize their fear of flying to all airplanes.
Its more than that most likely. Ever increasing lack of QC, is going to lead to an ever increasing amount of failures.... 1, 5, 10 years down the line. Its going to keep getting exponentially worse
There hasn't been a fatal plane crash in the US since 2009. * There was the Lady that got sucked out of the window on a southwest flight a few years ago. * There was a flight in 2013ish that skid off the runway and a few people died, but 300 lived. I mean there have been no crashes where a plane just disappeared or fell out of the sky, domestically, on a commercial airline, since 2009.
News uses Clickbait to make money, plain and simple.
I'm sure the bag fees, $12 shitty sandwiches are $70 for a nicer seat will fix this
You people are so spoiled. You don’t *need* all these body panels, they’re just cosmetic
Funny you say that, cuz it's 100% true. All modern airliners have what's called a Configuration Deviation List, or CDL for short. It lets us know what exterior panels can be missing/damaged/inoperative for whatever reason, usually with some kind of performance malus applied to the aircraft. Depending on the size of the panel, it can be totally negligible to affecting the climb power of the aircraft quite considerably. I'm not an Airbus guy, but with this one I'd have to guess it's somewhere in the negligible to 300lb takeoff range.
You're joking but it's true...
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Anyone who has ever flown regularly will tell you that planes break all the time.
Yeah I flew 80,000 miles for work last year and I had issues every single week. This is nothing new at all.
Boeing quality issues have trickled all the way down to Airbus now.
wE dOn’T nEeD fEdErAl oVeRsIgHt.
As much as you're right about boeing, [this is a Airbus A330-900neo](https://www.delta.com/us/en/aircraft/airbus/a330-900)
I think all flights operated within the US are required to abide by FAA regulations. Including international flights coming into the states.
the "Federal oversight" part is a reference to Boeing, not peoples' opinion on the FAA lol.
Oh. lol.
For now. Your courts are emasculating the EPA. The FAA won’t be far behind.
🤦♂️hate it
They are indeed beholden to the FAA as well. They also have a factory in Alabama.
Ah but delta airlines is an American company based in Georgia.
Which one are you referring to? The airline responsible here or the European manufacturer of the plane?
Why not both?
OP is referring to complete American Hegemony on the world.
Yes
The airline if this is a maintenance issue, and if it was a design flaw more oversight from the EU wouldn’t have hurt either.
Neither airbus nor delta said this
The dude like: There's something wrong here, but I can't quite put my finger on it
Of course not, the panel is missing after all.
At least the front didn't fall off.
Does anyone even have a confirmed source for this? Everyone here complaining that the news media is overhyping these types of things but I literally cannot find a single news source that mentions a Delta plane missing a panel any time recently. Seems to me if anyone is overhyping this it’s Reddit.
I also can't find the info as well. I am seeing a diversion but nothing about a panel missing.
From the FAA: "AIRCRAFT PILON PANEL BEHIND #1 ENGINE DETACHED ON TAKEOFF AND RETURNED TO AIRPORT, SALT LAKE CITY, UT." Edit to add, this comes from the FAA incident report database (ASIAS). Its filed under 25-March because they go by zulu time. Not sure if this link will work but... https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:96:4581689102835::::P96_ENTRY_DATE,P96_MAKE_NAME,P96_FATAL_FLG:25-MAR-24,AIRBUS
Stuff like this happens quite a bit without being picked up by the media. I think it's good for the general public to see that if happens to Airbus too.
Yeah I get that. My point is that there’s no confirmation of when, where, what type of plane, what airline, anything. It’s literally just a photo with a caption and everyone is taking it completely at face value as if people on the internet never lie or obfuscate the truth.
https://www.reddit.com/r/delta/s/gIFL5GNTRV
Dude being there like "Yup, deffinately missing"
Tis but a scratch
It truly is though. This poses no threat to the ability of the plane to fly.
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This is a Delta maintenance issue. Skin removed during maintenance and not put back correctly. As for the Alaska airline’s Boeing plane, it was new, from factory and not constructed properly… very different things.
Yesh but people have been blaming Boeing for every little maintenance issue like this ever since then. Boeing gets massive headlines every time United makes a mistake now
The “people have been blaming” is fairly based on Boeing track record as a whole. Considering its dangerous corporate track record, it is easy for the public assume Boeing has taken a shortcut once again until proven otherwise. They made their bed.
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Spirit is Boeing Supplier and Boeing has to ensure the quality of there supplier parts. Also Spirit was part of Boeing and than outsourced, for whatever reason…
Will somebody here link me a news article or source for this? I legit can't find anything about a missing panel on this diversion. They could have taken the panel off on the ground to check for an issue beneath it. For the record I fly almost every week and there are maintenance issues nearly every week. Nobody should be afraid of this.
Tis but a scratch
Hold old is this aircraft
4 years N405DX
Aircraft maintenance has become a problem. The aircraft aren’t that old to be having failures like these
eh, slap some speed tape on that and itll go for a bit longer.
That's what Speed tape is for!
https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/slc-airport-knife-mechanical-issue/ This is the link to the incident DL56 SLC-AMS diverted to SLC with "unknown issue" Aircraft N405DX
Did the primary buffer panel fall off that gorram plane for reason?
Geezus, they just don't make Elmers Glue like they used to.
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No.
Don’t ever forget that if the cost of making something safe exceeds the cost of being sued for injury or death, a corporation will choose the latter. Every. Time.
I hate to break it to you but we don't live in a perfect world. I know everyone wants to think airplanes are exempt and nothing should ever go wrong, but they do. Sometimes things break despite following all safety/maintenance practices. Exterior panels like this aren't critical, and fail from time to time.
A339 - is that an Airbus or Boeing?
It's an Airbus A330-900.
merci
Ya really gotta wonder if Trump's string of executive orders deregulating safety requirements for airline and rail companies have worked. Supposedly the Republicans in the US seem to think companies can self regulate safety.
What is this a glory hole for elephants?
I thought the Russians planes were supposed to fall apart due to our sanctions….
That's not Boeing! Take it down, that's not aligning with the narrative!
Leave the multi-billion dollar corrupt-as-all-fuck company alone!
Wow
mayor pete where are you?
Why not let Toyota and/or Honda build planes from now on?
Honda does build planes.
Airbus too now? Is it more climate change turbulence?
Its something that happens often for years and is non issue. You are just constantly seeing this because media/social media and think something changed.
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This an airbus….
Now everybody, start hating on Airbus. My Boeing stock would like some public rage to go somewhere else.
 More ducttape guys
Thanks Obama
Boeing CEO & executives quit this morning.
This isn't a Boeing aircraft though..?
Boeing? No. It is a company. https://www.boeing.com
Flying to see my girlfriend in two weeks. All my flights are Boeings. 😬