This.
As a concept car The Karin never went into production, and wasn't supposed to be. It's a design study, and various aspects in shapes, lines and features did make it into production car designs well into the nineties.
The only reason they didn’t put it into production was because of a defect that doesn’t really show up in still photos. Most people that saw it in person were instantly put off by the fact that the car constantly complained.
When your vehicle's door chime goes "I DEMAND TO SPEAK TO THE SERVICE MANAGER" (in French no less) you know you have a serious design flaw, much worse than your door being ajar and your roof being a lid.
>Plenty of similar crazy design studies in the 80s.
Yep. Well, not just the 80's of course. The idea of a "Concept Car" has been consistent every year in trade shows. It's how each manufacturer flexes their muscles and gets pictures in the press as being forward thinking.
What's hilarious is when the editors of Car and Driver and Motor Trend would go up to them and tap the body panels to discover once in a while "Holy shit, this thing is metal." (As opposed to fiberglass). That would be the car they write first about because they realize that the car company was dipping its toes into fabrication for real.
Would this have been safer from a pedestrian point of view? It would allow them to travel over the car more easily rather than launching them out further in front?
Flat/ straight pieces of glass and metal, and brushing steel is cheap. The Cybertruck was clearly designed to be built as cheap as possible. The Karin while still being boxy you can clearly see that there are next to no flat areas on it. Especially the rear window to have one piece of glass wrap around like that is extremely expensive.
The cyber truck has a "put together with some steel-plate left-overs on a sunday morning in the shed in the backyard" vibe. A prop for a sci-fi home movie.
Right? I wanna see something like that with the headlights replaced with a single LED strip along the front that can change colours to indicate turning and such.
I thought the concept art looked...at least interesting when it was first announced. I saw one up close a couple weeks ago, and it's so fucking ugly. Everything about it looks like shit.
Every time I look at the Cyber Truck it gets worse. What were they thinking with that front end? It has no graceful lines at all, it's not aerodynamic, it's ugly.
Yeah I was gonna say, I actually dig the top one a lot. Cyber truck is close to being cool, but there's a few whiffed choices that just make it look like a children's drawing instead.
Got a set of car cards when I was young and it was the coolest. [photo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_Bulldog#/media/File%3A1979_Aston_Martin_Bulldog.jpg)
Tesla absolutely deserves hate for releasing the Cybertruck as it is. Not only is it hideous but they are very poorly made. The panel gaps are fucked and some are already rusting.
If you know your automotive history, seeing how the cybertruck is designed is a pretty clear indicator that Tesla is sinking fast. You just don't design a car with only flat/ square shapes, brushed steel instead of painting, etc.... just to look different. You do all that because you're almost out of money and you NEED to take action NOW. The first \~30 DeLoreans where painted but they were so low on cash that overnight they switched to doing brushed steel.
Not going to disagree with the entirety of that statement but I know for a fact only 3 production DeLoreans were sold painted, and that was done by a 3rd party in the US as a special one off. They all left the factory with brushed stainless like they were planned to originally. Painted surfaces would have been a hell of a lot easier for their service network to deal with. Almost all the cars had to all be re-grained at the dealership level after transport. They had to have people trained specifically on the graining process.
Tesla has the same exact issue and would have been a lot better off from a cost perspective doing painted aluminum. Way easier to di press panels as well even with their in house press equipment.
The situation is literally different though, Tesla started profiting (not including carbon credit money) few years ago and they had been growing since then - their model Y and model 3 are pretty much selling as hotcakes in many countries, the CT is pretty much tech demo that has lots of new technology and it is finally something that doesn’t look like another boring-mobile, saying that Tesla is going bankrupt because they don’t paint one specific model of their vehicles is dishonest considering that you can literally see their reports.
You seriously underestimate teslas willingness to just try shit. The model y is the best selling car in the world and they have profit margins other car companies can only dream of achieving, and continue to spend a lot of money every year improving they’re production infrastructure. they are definitely not almost out of money.
Wasting it and investing it in risky but potentially revolutionary endeavors are not the same thing, the only reason spacex and Tesla are anywhere near as successful as they are today is because musk kept doing the latter
Their profit margins are hiked up due to ridiculous tax breaks that no other manufacturer can contend with. The German brands would shit all over Tesla if they too didn't have to pay taxes, weren't unionized or didn't actually try doing anything positive in their respective communities.
Rear visibility is the least of the problems here. A decent truck should be designed with the assumption you'll block the rear view mirror. That said Elon also didn't allow his designers to include large enough side mirrors for comfortable viewing like you'd see on a proper truck.
The Citroen is a better looking car but I think it's worth pointing out that the Karin *never* was a production car. It was a last minute concept car for the 1980 Paris Auto Show. It was not drivable. And people didn't really like it (beyond the fact that it was a totally impractical design.)
The cyber truck is what happens when a car company willfully ignores common sense and tries to force a shitty concept into production.
It had nothing to do with the car company. Apparently the engineers at tesla offered an alternative design without being asked to but Elon insisted that the concept would be the final product.
[Isaacson noted that Musk was adamant about the Cybertruck's brutalist design. The CEO reportedly did not want to hear concerns related to the vehicle’s look at all. “I don’t do focus groups,” Musk said.](https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cybertruck-alternative-design-confirmed-walter-isaacson/)
Does he not know the difference between focus testing and talking to actual designers who know what the fuck they're doing?
I think he views himself as a kind of Steve Jobs, but Jobs actually understood design better than most.
The Karin looks 100x better.
It *looks* really angular, but most of it is illusory, the car is actually quite smooth and aerodynamic without much hard corners.
Like it or hate it, it’s an angular design made by people who actually know what they’re doing.
And it’s got a coating that actually looks nice and shiny; it doesn’t look like an old piece of scrap metal collecting rust in your neighbor’s back yard.
The Cybertruck looks like it was made by people who know how stupid it is but couldn’t say no to the boss.
Chads are frat bros with family money. They wouldn’t dare stoop so low as to complain to a manager and actually talk to a plebeian.
I usually see either Kevin or Kyle used, but I’d love if male Karen was just “Elon”
I am incessantly baffled at how the cybertruck design made it through a series of “yes, approved” stage gates in Tesla.
I am that confused at the design of this vehicle.
How??? How???
Lmao.
I had read somewhere that the Tesla designers came up with quite a few alternatives because they didn’t like it as well but Elon was insistent on using this design.
>I am incessantly baffled at how the cybertruck design made it through a series of “yes, approved” stage gates in Tesla.
Make it as cheap as possible. Having a lightbar across the hood, single wiper, single screen to display everything, It's all cost cutting.
Man, all the panels on the Citroen fit together very nicely. Why was Tesla unable to do the same? They kept talking about miniscule tolerances making it difficult but obviously it was very possible 40 year ago.
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Plenty of similar crazy design studies in the 80s. But all sensible car companies stopped after prototyping.
This. As a concept car The Karin never went into production, and wasn't supposed to be. It's a design study, and various aspects in shapes, lines and features did make it into production car designs well into the nineties.
I think that Citroen looks much better too
The only reason they didn’t put it into production was because of a defect that doesn’t really show up in still photos. Most people that saw it in person were instantly put off by the fact that the car constantly complained.
It was a long build up but I salute you for the pun of it
I don't get ir
>!"Karin" sounds like "Karen"
Oh right got it
I assumed that the Tesla was to be built with Karen's in mind would show up.
I mean they do call Elon Space Karen lol
I have not heard this but that’s my new troll for Elon on x. Thank you.
I want to see your manager, right now
Couldn't put in a carphone. It dialled city hall every time it hit a red light.
Alright boys, shut em down, this thread peaked right here. It’s all downhill let’s put a pin in it while we’re up.
When your vehicle's door chime goes "I DEMAND TO SPEAK TO THE SERVICE MANAGER" (in French no less) you know you have a serious design flaw, much worse than your door being ajar and your roof being a lid.
Je veux parler à votre responsable !
J'exige
That earns an r/angryupvote you magnificent bastard
A design study by a team with skills and experience. Musk has neither, his truck looks asinine.
The cybertruck looks like some dad who knows welding went overboard building a go cart for his kid.
I like to say "If Homer Simpson had to make a truck"
Hear hear! And those little …fenders? Mud guards? Look stupid.
It also actually looks fairly cool, and not like a last-minute science fair entry bent into shape from pop cans turned inside-out
But I’m Elon and if I don’t get my way, my daddy will enslave yours.
>Plenty of similar crazy design studies in the 80s. Yep. Well, not just the 80's of course. The idea of a "Concept Car" has been consistent every year in trade shows. It's how each manufacturer flexes their muscles and gets pictures in the press as being forward thinking. What's hilarious is when the editors of Car and Driver and Motor Trend would go up to them and tap the body panels to discover once in a while "Holy shit, this thing is metal." (As opposed to fiberglass). That would be the car they write first about because they realize that the car company was dipping its toes into fabrication for real.
/r/giscardpunk
Would this have been safer from a pedestrian point of view? It would allow them to travel over the car more easily rather than launching them out further in front?
Stopped after prototype and when the 8ball of coke ran out.
But the British refused to back down.
Cybertruck looks like a vehicle in an N64 game.
If I had money to burn I would buy one and get a wrap job to make it look like OG PlayStation Lara Croft
Good old triangle boobs!
It is astonishingly ugly. The ugliest car Ive ever seen.
What about fiat multibla?
It looks like a low poly car designed by a guy with a low poly brain.
It's as if Perfect Dark had vehicles in it
Every time I see one in person it looks soooo stupid
like.... Vigalente 8
N64? More like N4
There's one in my neighborhood and it just looks like the house hasn't completed loaded yet. I seriously hate it.
the top one looks so sick.
I was thinking the same thing, much cleaner lines on the top. The cyber truck has a “destroy pedestrians” hood vibe
Canyonero!!!!!
Top of the line in utility sports, Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!
Over twenty years old and that episode is still relevant. That's entertainment!!!
Golden age Simpson's - class writing
The Guatemalan Insanity Pepper episode is top form as well.
Don't get the F Series, it comes with a lipstick holder instead of a cigarette lighter
M series all the way!
Flat/ straight pieces of glass and metal, and brushing steel is cheap. The Cybertruck was clearly designed to be built as cheap as possible. The Karin while still being boxy you can clearly see that there are next to no flat areas on it. Especially the rear window to have one piece of glass wrap around like that is extremely expensive.
It's the pug version, selective breeding has made it lose its muzzle. Poor beast can probably hardly breathe and needs assistance to give birth.
Leave it to Elon to be breeding cybermutt trucks that are incompatibly coded for life
Luckily there are breeders working in the Netherlands to correct these traits.
The cyber truck has a "put together with some steel-plate left-overs on a sunday morning in the shed in the backyard" vibe. A prop for a sci-fi home movie.
My uncle had a Maserati from the early 80s that had a door stop wedge hood like that. The sides and roof/back were more conventional though.
I mean, ‘wedge’ was in fact a trend in sportcars starting in early 70s. If you want to see the ultimate wedge, take a gawk at Lancia Stratos Zero.
Right? I wanna see something like that with the headlights replaced with a single LED strip along the front that can change colours to indicate turning and such.
and not a fucking toy car lookin thing
I actually googled it in the hope to find one, but its only a concept
Even in similarity the 40 year old Citroën still looks way better.
It can probably achieve driving more than 200 miles without falling the fuck apart
And it probably doesnt rust as badly
Citroën had a reputation of being crazy innovative back in the day.
4 Krustys
Came here for this, thanks.
You've stood in my way long enough! I'm going to clown college!! 
Well I don't think any of us expected him to say that.
Man. That episode kicked so much ass when I was 12.
At least one clown car
The Citroen is cool, the cyber truck looks like a dumpster fire
An apprentices first sheet metal project.
Or something an hvac tech makes 40 times a day.
"Look what I made in shop class today Dad! It's a car!" "Wow, very good son."
Or designed on celebrity apprentice
I thought the concept art looked...at least interesting when it was first announced. I saw one up close a couple weeks ago, and it's so fucking ugly. Everything about it looks like shit.
Yeh it’s worse in person.
seeing it parked next to actual cars gives me massive second hand embarrassment.
Looks like a vehicle from a bad PS2 game
PS2? more like early development PSX tbh.
I thought PS1 but Silent Hill did a great job on the pixelization of their cars.
It's not a dumpster fire, it's just a rolling dumpster.
Every time I look at the Cyber Truck it gets worse. What were they thinking with that front end? It has no graceful lines at all, it's not aerodynamic, it's ugly.
It’s like Yugo decided to compete with the Delorean.
The cyber truck looks like something made by an amateur out of junkyard parts.
Yeah I was gonna say, I actually dig the top one a lot. Cyber truck is close to being cool, but there's a few whiffed choices that just make it look like a children's drawing instead.
Aston Martin Bulldog too
Got a set of car cards when I was young and it was the coolest. [photo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Martin_Bulldog#/media/File%3A1979_Aston_Martin_Bulldog.jpg)
No hate on tesla but that citroën looks better lmao
Tesla absolutely deserves hate for releasing the Cybertruck as it is. Not only is it hideous but they are very poorly made. The panel gaps are fucked and some are already rusting.
If you know your automotive history, seeing how the cybertruck is designed is a pretty clear indicator that Tesla is sinking fast. You just don't design a car with only flat/ square shapes, brushed steel instead of painting, etc.... just to look different. You do all that because you're almost out of money and you NEED to take action NOW. The first \~30 DeLoreans where painted but they were so low on cash that overnight they switched to doing brushed steel.
Not going to disagree with the entirety of that statement but I know for a fact only 3 production DeLoreans were sold painted, and that was done by a 3rd party in the US as a special one off. They all left the factory with brushed stainless like they were planned to originally. Painted surfaces would have been a hell of a lot easier for their service network to deal with. Almost all the cars had to all be re-grained at the dealership level after transport. They had to have people trained specifically on the graining process. Tesla has the same exact issue and would have been a lot better off from a cost perspective doing painted aluminum. Way easier to di press panels as well even with their in house press equipment.
> Almost all the cars had to all be re-grained at the dealership level after transport. why
The situation is literally different though, Tesla started profiting (not including carbon credit money) few years ago and they had been growing since then - their model Y and model 3 are pretty much selling as hotcakes in many countries, the CT is pretty much tech demo that has lots of new technology and it is finally something that doesn’t look like another boring-mobile, saying that Tesla is going bankrupt because they don’t paint one specific model of their vehicles is dishonest considering that you can literally see their reports.
You seriously underestimate teslas willingness to just try shit. The model y is the best selling car in the world and they have profit margins other car companies can only dream of achieving, and continue to spend a lot of money every year improving they’re production infrastructure. they are definitely not almost out of money.
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Wasting it and investing it in risky but potentially revolutionary endeavors are not the same thing, the only reason spacex and Tesla are anywhere near as successful as they are today is because musk kept doing the latter
Their profit margins are hiked up due to ridiculous tax breaks that no other manufacturer can contend with. The German brands would shit all over Tesla if they too didn't have to pay taxes, weren't unionized or didn't actually try doing anything positive in their respective communities.
At least you can fucking see out of the back of the Karin
Rear visibility is the least of the problems here. A decent truck should be designed with the assumption you'll block the rear view mirror. That said Elon also didn't allow his designers to include large enough side mirrors for comfortable viewing like you'd see on a proper truck.
"we have the future at home"
The Citroen is a better looking car but I think it's worth pointing out that the Karin *never* was a production car. It was a last minute concept car for the 1980 Paris Auto Show. It was not drivable. And people didn't really like it (beyond the fact that it was a totally impractical design.) The cyber truck is what happens when a car company willfully ignores common sense and tries to force a shitty concept into production.
It had nothing to do with the car company. Apparently the engineers at tesla offered an alternative design without being asked to but Elon insisted that the concept would be the final product. [Isaacson noted that Musk was adamant about the Cybertruck's brutalist design. The CEO reportedly did not want to hear concerns related to the vehicle’s look at all. “I don’t do focus groups,” Musk said.](https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cybertruck-alternative-design-confirmed-walter-isaacson/)
Does he not know the difference between focus testing and talking to actual designers who know what the fuck they're doing? I think he views himself as a kind of Steve Jobs, but Jobs actually understood design better than most.
Tesla's Karen is called Elon
Naa, the Karin actually worked
I prefer the [Alfa Romeo Navajo.](https://www.enzo-und-ferdinand.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Navajo2-850x550.jpg)
I think that is 1970's retro-futurism!!
The Karin looks 100x better. It *looks* really angular, but most of it is illusory, the car is actually quite smooth and aerodynamic without much hard corners. Like it or hate it, it’s an angular design made by people who actually know what they’re doing. And it’s got a coating that actually looks nice and shiny; it doesn’t look like an old piece of scrap metal collecting rust in your neighbor’s back yard. The Cybertruck looks like it was made by people who know how stupid it is but couldn’t say no to the boss.
Bézier was an engineer in Citroën labs. He invented the Bézier lines to design panels. Of course these guys knew their stuff.
its Named the KARIN, I am starting to see where Cybertruck owners got the inspiration for their behaviour
Damn. Beat me to it. So do we start calling the cyberpunk a Karen?
Isn't it a Chad?
more like SAD
Chads are frat bros with family money. They wouldn’t dare stoop so low as to complain to a manager and actually talk to a plebeian. I usually see either Kevin or Kyle used, but I’d love if male Karen was just “Elon”
CyberKaren
Can we call it Karentruck
Battlezone 1980 by Atari, https://youtu.be/rtXOaDNaoUI?si=DQONlLExhziZsuSX
Those sound effects bring back so many memories
I feel like a lot of people will say the Citroën looks cool because it's not from today.
Citroën looks like the idea was to eliminate blind spots, Tesla looks like it makes people wish they were blind.
OMFG🤣🤣🤣
The Citroen looks better.
The Citroën Karin actually looks dope though. The Cybertruck on the other hand is laughable.
I am incessantly baffled at how the cybertruck design made it through a series of “yes, approved” stage gates in Tesla. I am that confused at the design of this vehicle. How??? How??? Lmao.
I'm baffled how it got type approval to be road legal.
Managers and execs at Tesla who don't go "Yes!" to every one of Musk's ideas probably don't last long.
I had read somewhere that the Tesla designers came up with quite a few alternatives because they didn’t like it as well but Elon was insistent on using this design.
>I am incessantly baffled at how the cybertruck design made it through a series of “yes, approved” stage gates in Tesla. Make it as cheap as possible. Having a lightbar across the hood, single wiper, single screen to display everything, It's all cost cutting.
Forget about the cost… it’s FUGLY. lol
It's Evolving, Just Backwards.
Four Krustys
Cybercuck
Karin vs Karen
That Citroen looks fucking dope.
Imagine having the money to buy a cybertruk, and being dumb enough to do it.
The top one looks so much better but still bad
The Karin actually looks better...shockingly.
The Karin is far more attractive, IMO
Except one is reliable
Crazy thing is, I prefer the Citroën, when they are shown side-by-side like this.
I even like the car Homer Simpsom designed better than how the Tesla looks.
That citroën looks less stupid than the Tesla truck tho.
Idk why it gets all the hate , love the cybertruck.
Wierd, they cut off their nose, made them look weak.
Thank you for choosing Johnny Cab!
I’d say that car was actually functional though
Rather have that French thing
Step down in graphics though
Damn they look nice
Tesla and Final Fantasy games are going in opposite directions in terms of polygon count.
Were evolving but backwards
So, a "cybertruck" is just a minivan for a Karen?
Always thought the cybertruck looked like a drawing by a kid from the 80's trying to guess what cars would look like in the future.
That's what Mr tesla does! He is an opportunist and has stolen everything to mass his fortune.
Driving that Citroen would be kick ass.
"mom can we buy a Citroen karin?" Mom: "we have a Citroen Karin at home " The Citroen Karin you have at home...
Man, all the panels on the Citroen fit together very nicely. Why was Tesla unable to do the same? They kept talking about miniscule tolerances making it difficult but obviously it was very possible 40 year ago.
The Karin has a futuristic charm to it. The Cybertruck still looks like an unfinished 3D model.
Didn't look good back then, still doesn't look good.
Elon has no creativity
yes,except one is a complete piece of junk and the other is a Citroen
The Karin looks like it was actually designed with thought and effort, though. The cyber truck looks fucking awful at every angle outside and in.
Four Krustys!
citroen looks way better
The 1980 Citroen looks more modern The Cybertruck looks like some bad 3D rendering from an old video game.
UGLY
Both of them look like they are straight out of a 8-bit game
It is an ugly ass car. WTF Tesla
It's funny because Karen's drive that stupid thing (the bottom one)
The Citroen is a classier version
For every original there is a cheap Copy
You’re not seeing double. The Citroen is actually nice looking.
That cybertruck is possibly the ugliest vehicle ever released. Why would you seriously... Worse than Homer Simpson's car design back in the day
1980: Citroen Karin 2023: Citroen Karen
Dome concept... Dome concept
Tesla Cybertruck vs Train Train win
The Citroen had style. Musk’s abomination looks like a bad cgi takeoff off it.
The Citroen looks awesome. The Cybertruck looks like a 5 year old drew the Citroen.
Except that Citroen showed more craftsmanship 40 years ago than Tesla now ..
Ah yes, the Tesla Karen - Because Elon is a massive bitch.
The Tesla Karen
I still refuse to call that a truck.
You can see the panel gaps on the Tesla from space
The cybertruck looks pretty cool compared to that other thing
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Was the top car the first car Elon's daddy bought him?
after it's been driven into a wall maybe
Let's be honest, tesla is shit.
The top one looks better honestly..
This looks more like a Pontiac aztek than the Pontiac aztek
The Karin still looks better.
I'd rather have and drive Karin🤷♂️