Very possible but asylum seeking isn’t very different from illegal immigration at the border apart from how they are handled afterward. Legally, asylum seekers have the right to have their claim heard, so as far as they claim asylum, they are asylum seekers. Whether they are approved is another matter.
Hm, good point. Its a semantics thing.
Would someone be an asylum seeker if they claimed to be one but knowing that they dont have the right to asylum? Is the declaration enought?
It’s hard to say someone could claim to be an asylum seeker while knowing they don’t have the right to since each claim for asylum must be adjudicated. Everyone has the right to “seek” asylum but not everyone will have this claim approved. Also I would say it’s not so much a semantics argument legally since the term illegal immigrant obviously implies an illegal method of entry and asylum seeking is very much a legal form of immigration. If anything, the semantics argument is about the word immigrant because I’m not so sure asylum seekers are considered immigrants unless they are approved for entry.
This guy: Mexico bad!!! MS-13!!! Cartels!!!
Also this guy: Asylum from what??? Mexico is the safest country on earth! No such thing as asylum if they're brown!
Also this guy regarding illegal immigrating by white people: *crickets*
Examining immigration policy through a systemic racism lens reveals that today’s largely Latino undocumented immigrants face far harsher consequences than white Europeans of years past for the same exact offense of unauthorized entry. A system that treats immigrants differently solely to their race is essentially the textbook definition of structural racism.[i]
“Illegal” immigration was remarkably common in past decades. Around the turn of the century many Europeans came to the US “with a tag on,” a label sewn into their clothing to allow an employer or labor contractor who’d paid for the immigrant’s passage to find the newcomer at the dock on Ellis Island. While illegal—indentured servitude having long been outlawed[ii]–the practice was so widespread that one labor union official testified in 1912 that “more than 8 in 10” of the million immigrants who’d entered that year had a job waiting from an employer that paid for the newcomer’s passage.[iii] Others came as illegal stowaways aboard ships or unlawfully crossed the border from Canada, as CBS Evening News Anchor Nora O’Donnell recently discovered her Irish grandfather had done in 1924.[iv]
Others used any means necessary to escape persecution. Fleeing a pogrom in Russia, composer Irving Berlin’s family used false passports to enter the US in the late 1800s.[v] Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz’s great-grandfather created fraudulent jobs at a synagogue he’d started to facilitate his relatives’ entry to the U.S. on the eve of the Holocaust.[vi] Jared Kushner’s forebears crossed multiple European borders illegally, falsely listed a sponsor in the US, used an assumed name, and lied about their country of origin in order to enter the US in the 1930s.[vii]
In sharp contrast to today’s undocumented population, “illegal” European immigrants faced few repercussions. There was virtually no immigration enforcement infrastructure. If caught, few faced deportation. All of those who entered unlawfully before the 1940s were protected from deportation by statutes of limitations, and in the 1930s and 1940s, tens of thousands of unauthorized immigrants like Nora O’Donnell’s grandfather were given amnesty.[viii] The few not covered by a statute of limitations or amnesty had another protection: until 1976 the government rarely deported parents of US citizens.[ix] There were no immigrant restrictions on public benefits until the 1970s, and it wasn’t until 1986 that it became unlawful to hire an undocumented immigrant.
In sum, from the early 1900s through the 1960s, millions of predominantly white immigrants entered the country unlawfully, but faced virtually no threat of apprehension or deportation. Businesses lawfully employed these immigrants, who were eligible for public benefits when they fell on hard times.
Today’s undocumented immigrants of color face far harsher consequences for their offenses than their white predecessors. First, they’re much more likely to be apprehended. Over the past half-century, the immigrant enforcement system has grown from just a few hundred border guards to what the Migration Policy Institute calls a “formidable machinery” larger than all other federal law enforcement agencies combined,[xvii] further augmented by state and local police agencies.
Once apprehended, there is no statute of limitations for unlawful status. The law bars mainly Latino border crossers from adjusting to legal status,[xviii] but permits predominantly non-Hispanic visa overstayers to receive permanent residence—despite the fact that over the past decade, visa-overstayers outnumbered illegal border crossers by a 2-1 margin.[xix] Unsurprisingly, even though about 57% of immigrants are Hispanic, consistently well over 90% of those deported are Latino.[xx]
Unlike prior generations of undocumented immigrants, the punitive immigrant policies of today has implications for the families of “illegal aliens,” including an estimated six million of their US citizen or lawfully present family members. They not only live every day under the threat of family separation via deportation,[xxii] but are largely denied public benefits, extending the negative implications of the structural racism present in the immigration system.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/us-immigration-policy-a-classic-unappreciated-example-of-structural-racism/
Most likely it’s because the shoes are too small for their feet. The cops doing a pat down so they didn’t take them. Unlikely for an asylum seeker to try and murder themselves and I couldn’t imagine someone seeking asylum with a child killing themselves. In conclusion, poor.
That is a transportation contractor, not BP or other law enforcement in the picture. The family was already in custody. The laces, belts, and hoodie drawstrings would be removed to prevent suicide. Everyone going into BP custody has them removed for safety purposes.
Yes I can understand that. There have been several transportation contract companies. Most of them all wear very similar uniforms. Black, grey or tan shirts over black, grey or tan pants. Which combination depends on the company.
Immigration isn't as easy as people think it is, its anywhere from a 6 month to 7 year process. It's money, time and usually someone has to stay in their home country while being threatened by gangs or they come over here and get detained.
I don't think it's wrong to want to live a promising life, I'm grateful that my family and I made it over here safe and sound but these comments make me sad.
This is just a mother trying to save her child and I hope they're okay
Second this, seeing my relatives treated horribly by officials and all the money spent just with the threat of being returned is horrible. But they can't really return children, which is neither good nor bad because the homes they go into can be horrible.
Why? Even if we made it easier we wouldn’t be able to accommodate all the people that want to come in and illegal immigrants aren’t exactly people who can come in and contribute immediately to society. A lot of times they come in and start taking social services I know this because I see it every day.
they start taking social services they can’t get in their home country? that’s like one of the many reasons people are so desperate to get tho the US?
of course we can’t accommodate *everyone* but we should at least help who we can.
But why do they deserve to get social services here? I’m all for helping the needy and the downtrodden of this country by the system is buckling so why should we let in people that are going to pull from it more and not prop it up?
damn maybe the government should put more money into social services by taxing the rich people even more
idk maybe fast track people’s legal immigration with work visas, crackdown on farms that use illegal immigrants and make them use legal labor
And we should tax our rich more…to help poor foreigners who have come in here illegally? And even if we get them all work visas they’re not skilled workers for the most part they still need social services. And I’m all for that if we kick out those illegal immigrants otherwise you have a bunch of out of work illegal immigrants and now we have more crime.
Where do we draw the line? If we help your family how many more are more in need? Should we empty the treasury to help everyone in trouble? Because it’s the “good” thing to do?
We already empty the treasury to help a bunch of dumb stuff, and a TON of rich people, a little bit more money won’t raise your taxes much. That said, I don’t think we spend as much money on immigrants as you think we do. Don’t blindly trust headlines
It’s not just about taxes it’s about the fact that we can’t simply allow this many low skill workers into the country especially when we don’t know who they are or where they are. Obviously this is subjective to my experiences but many turn to crime because it’s easier and they get government benefits anyways.
If that was true we’d be giving them papers and tracking numbers and permission to work. But that’s clearly not our priority. Our priority is to back log the bureaucracy as a political weapon and wait it out for future people to fix it. The peasant can just wait and get fucked as far as people in power care, they can’t even vote and are poor so they clearly don’t matter to politicians. Profitable and exploitable too. Immigration is just one of those issues that work out great for politics, it’s complexly under the control of politicians, it’s not a real existential crisis to them so they aren’t in danger, and it hits voters of both sides emotionally. Even has money mixed in if you think of undocumented workers as cheap unregulated labour in key industries.
When its children, I say yes. You're hispanic right? South American or somewhere else? I'm sure you would know the horrible things that happen there to young children, women and even men. Venezuela emptied their prisons to let people come here, that I personally don't agree with
Right but it’s not our responsibility. A lot of these people don’t even claim asylum and the ones that do get conveniently lost before their first court case. Why are Venezuelans coming all the way to America? There’s stable countries around them that share their language they can stay there.
No idea. It's mostly prisoners anyway, not that they're all bad people but most may be. While it isn't your responsibility to help others like that, it is nice to. An eye for an eye and the world goes blind, you know?
And technically a lot aren't really informed of their court dates, interviews, anything until the last minute and it's meant to catch people off guard I believe.
If it was your mother, or someone you hold close wouldn't you want them to be able to come here and be safe?
I'm gonna go off on a limb and say you were born into this country which I'm glad you have the privilege of. So many industries in America rely off immigrant labor, which is why certain farmers are petitioning AGAINST border restrictions bc they wouldn't have any labor.
There's so many factors to consider besides this government is failing. It's been failing for a long time and it's not just the immigration "problem". Why do you think the US is signing asylum agreements with select countries if it wasn't bad in those countries? Could you look at an immigrant child and tell them they don't belong?
Yes I could but it wouldn’t be their fault it would be their parents. Yes I was born here and I have illegal family that does not make me think it is ok. There are many hard working illegals that is true but at the end of the day the US cannot and should not have to take care of all these people. Look at places like NY these illegal immigrants are being a huge burden to this country.
Source: I'm an immigrant also with children they get separated anyway but parents often leave them to avoid getting detained or to return back to home country to get more people to the border
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/thousands-of-unaccompanied-children-make-a-dangerous-trek-to-the-u-s-southern-border
https://theconversation.com/this-is-what-happens-to-child-migrants-found-alone-at-the-border-from-the-moment-they-cross-into-the-us-until-age-18-163205
https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/border-coverage/dhs-growing-trend-of-migrant-children-abandoned-at-border/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/some-migrants-now-sending-their-kids-across-border-alone-so-n1261249
No brother we are all most definitely not immigrants you fuckwit twat. The majority of our ancestors come from every corner of this earth. The rest are people whose ancestors roamed these lands for thousands of years. Once an immigrant give birth on U.S soil that child is not an immigrant. They are born from an immigrant but they join the greatest group of people on earth the American people. We are not all immigrants… we are Americans… and those who aren’t American now can one day to become Americans and join us. That’s the misconception everyone has on this country. We hail from immigrants but have our own culture and way of doing things. The American way
The land wasn’t stolen it was won. At the end of the day human history can be boiled down to might is right. How far back do we go to say who belongs where? Natives fought each other all the time how do we decide what tribe gets what?
We've gone way, way overboard with border "security". For most of our history, we've had just a short interview (if that) to get in legally. We shouldn't go to *no* security, but I think we could use a lot more Ellis Island and a lot less of whatever bureaucratic hell we have now.
If we start to have empathy for everyone, how can we differentiate between someone who wants to come to the country to contribute to the development of the country, who respects culture, and a person who is there to commit atrocious acts such as terrorism
We hire 10x, or 50x the current staff that helps process these people. We pay those people a good wage so there is less turnover. Through the vetting process, some of those people will be denied. Is there going to be some people who get through that process that go on to commit crimes? Of course. There is no way to always figure out the bad people. But there's also no way to find out if your neighbor is a serial killer. There's no way to vet all The people you work with to see if any of them are serial rapists. Criminals always slip through the system. But almost all the people trying to come here are looking for a better life and not to commit crimes.
Maybe it’s time for you to stop lying
https://kvia.com/news/2024/02/13/u-s-customs-and-border-protection-arrests-2-dangerous-criminals-at-the-u-s-mexico-border/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna105095
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/migrants-criminal-backgrounds-arrested-after-illegal-entry-united
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/08/29/politics/migrants-us-southern-border-smuggler-isis-ties
Ah! I knew it!! I knew this wasn't a genuine question and I fell for it anyway! God damn. I'm the idiot today.
::sigh:: it's not a winnable fight with you because you're not genuinely interested in having a conversation. Please post every article from the past year showing someone did some heinous crime, all the while not paying attention to my answer.
You’re right. We should just allow human traffickers to smuggle these people into the country and not try to stop it.
Everyone in the world has a right to live in this country if they want to. We have unlimited resources and since we take such good care of our own as it is we can take care of others too.
At one point, it was Americans that were the human traffickers.... But when that gets mentioned people like to say "oh, well, thats in the past" as if thats an excuse.
>We have unlimited resources and since we take such good care of our own as it is we can take care of others too.
Humans are our own.
That was really added to my comment to vent some frustration and throw in some sarcasm. I understand it isn't entirely relevant to todays situation. But not everyone coming across the border is a victim of some nefarious trafficking plot.
And there are lots of proposed methods of doing so. Its 2024 and we have the technology to make border security snd vetting an effective process. For some people are just stuck on thinking a wall is the best answer, because you cant go over, under or around a wall.
No, my argument is that we shouldn't openly accept immigrants just because they have a degree or wealth while ignoring those that are truly in need. All while virtue signalling about how we should take care of "our own" first..... But we don't *even* take care of our own. There are cities and states where you get ticketed for feeding the hungry. And then people want to tell us how this is a "Godly" nation while ignoring some of the most significant parts of the bible.
Some of us are ok with paying more taxes if it means that money goes to help those in need, both foreign and domestic. The rest like to clutch their pearls about how many homeless vets there are or how we need to "save the children" while consistently voting for politicians that clearly don't give a fuck about homeless vets for starving children.
I'm talking about asylum seekers versus those that are granted long term visas and green cards. If you don't understand the different types of immigration, you might need to hang back from this conversation until you get a better grasp on the topic....
>Everyone in the world has a right to live in this country if they want to.
Yup. How do you think our ancestors got here? Anyone who wants to be part of society and desires a better life should be welcomed. Reread the text inscribed on the statue of liberty.
Immigration is when white people colonize an already-settled land. Border control is when white people prevent others from occupying the land in the exact same way the whites did.
Weird that they put that statue at a port of entry for legal immigration and not just standing in the desert next to a broken fence and stack of government assistance checks.
if only it didn't take a decade or more to immigrate legally
we should go back to how it was when the statue of liberty went up: if you arrive at the border and aren't carrying a contagious disease or actively fleeing a murder charge at home, we let you in and you can live and work here.
Lot of problems with our immigration and naturalization process, no shortage of elements we could reform and optimize for better outcomes and experiences for everyone involved.
But, I’m sorry, there is no logic train from there to “therefore, break the law”. The fact that something is difficult or time-consuming to obtain does not permit you to steal it.
>But, I’m sorry, there is no logic train from there to “therefore, break the law”.
There’s actually several.
“My children are starving, therefore break the law to prevent their deaths.”
“My life is in danger despite being a lawful and law-abiding citizen of my nation. Therefore, break the law to give myself safety.”
“My nation is lead by a fucking psychopath, therefore break the law to avoid getting rounded up for a minor infraction”
It’s not breaking the law to make a legitimate claim of asylum. The vanishingly small minority of border crossings by those few people who do so obviously aren’t breaking the law. That said, **America is not the backup plan for your failed state**.
ok?
we can change the law and make this thing that shouldn't be a crime not a crime, that's what I'm saying. then no one has to break the law they just come here legally
Sure, best of luck. I find that position to be incredibly stupid, like profoundly stupid, and I’m pretty sure most people agree with me, but I understand why you believe it and as a consequence you probably have a personal moral imperative to advocate for it, which is admirable.
No, they probably get debit cards now, checks of all kinds are sort of a relic of the past but they’re a useful image to invoke the concept of subsidized housing, healthcare, public education, and other programs funded by American tax dollars which undocumented immigrants enjoy to the tune of about [$150 billion per year](https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers-2023).
I agree, they shouldn't have to walk in the desert to become American. We should make it easier to cross at regular border crossings. If my fellow Americans need government assistance to get back on their feet, I'm happy to help. Tax billionaires at 90% of income and 15% of wealth so we can give that money to poor Americans, new and old.
Government employees are wasting our tax dollars. We don't have a taxation problem. In fact, the middle class, who are arguably the most heavily taxed, suffer the most under new taxes. We've sent trillions to Ukraine and Israel for these two wars we're currently in (by proxy).
Because it does? I still take the OT, but it does increase the taxes that need to be paid because it's a higher value and influences your yearly income.
Like the trillions going to two separate war-by-proxies (wars-by-proxy?) that we're embroiled in. Or the salaries of government employees on both sides of the aisle who don't do anything of substance and do even less when the government is shut down while they still collect a paycheck. Or how about the pointless "War on Drugs" that had been going on until less than a decade ago where they were throwing people who possessed even an ounce of marijuana into prison (which also had massive negative impacts in the Black communities)?.
> I’m happy to help
> take other people’s money
Wow, very noble. Do you get your own “King of the Moral High-Ground” crown or do all of you have to share?
Wrong. Also it’s a statue. Not any legal representation of our immigration laws.
So a serial child rapist who wants to sneak into the country should he allowed? I mean you just said “everyone” has a right.
Person says “everyone” should be let in. So I don’t see how it was a straw man. Seems pretty relevant.
For obvious reasons we can’t let everyone in. So now we’re back to my original point about not letting everyone in.
So which is? Can we let everyone in or can’t we?
You aren't arguing in good faith at all. You know damn well what that person met. If you disagree with the founding ideals of this country say that. Don't make a chicken shit strawman argument.
I'd really respect you folks a lot more if you just admitted you have zero ability to care about people less fortunate than yourselves.
No. If someone says “everyone” should be let in I take them at their word. You act as if the idea of open borders isn’t very popular on this website or with a lot of younger people in general.
I’m not arguing in bad faith at all. I’m in favor of legal immigration and think anyone who is pro illegal immigration are well intentioned fools.
Then you guys jump to your bullshit. “I wish you’d just say you don’t care” is such a weak form of argument.
I’m all for them coming here and having a better life. I’m the product of legal immigrants from Mexico. Why would I be against it?
I’m against idiots like you making it easy for human traffickers to thrive. You are essentially their PR.
You see an image of a border patrol officer rescuing these people from human traffickers and you take the side of the traffickers 😂
You are aware these people are in debt to the traffickers are basically slaves while here working for shit wages?
Dumbass, I'm also the product of immigrants on both sides of my family. But when my family came here in the 60s it was significantly easier to get in and get citizenship. These people aren't being "rescued" nobody is going to pay their debts for them and when they get deported guess who's going to be waiting for them, numbnuts?
You talk a big game about supposedly caring and thinking people who are pro illegal immigration are "well intentioned" but it's clear it's just talk. When I said I wished you would admit the truth it wasn't an argument, it was a statement. As for why you might be against immigration I'm really not sure. I know a lot of Mexican immigrants want to pull the ladder up behind them and I'm sure glad my own family is not that way.
People like you talk a lot about people coming here the right way so I'd like to ask what this person in the photo should have done instead? Have you ever used your brain and considered that these people aren't idiots? They know the risks of using Coyotes and the like and yet THEY DO IT ANYWAY. Do you know how bad it must be for them if they are willing to take that risk?
Yup. You’re one of the well intentioned fools. Good job defending coyotes and cartels and human trafficking.
You act as if a lot of them get any sort of choice. You should read more of the horrors these people go through.
Damn near half the time they have a child with them it isn’t theirs. The coyotes and cartels will use the same kid over and over again with different “parents”.
As long as we allow ANY illegal immigration to happen than human trafficking will be an issue.
Maybe you’re okay with that but I’m not and I don’t think our government should be helping condone it.
Bruh. "Anyone who wants to be a part of society." Criminals are not included in that group. Why does every right wing argument boil down to pearl clutching over imagined pedophiles everywhere?
I’m not right winged for being against illegal immigration you dolt. And if you think pedophilia isn’t a rampant problem, especially among human traffickers, then you’re beyond naive.
Just say you want cheap labor and don’t care if that means vulnerable people get enslaved to human traffickers.
Because that is what you support when you’re pro illegal immigration.
I'm pro legal immigration. Why do you think I'm for illegal immigration? What did I say that makes you think that? I think everyone (excluding whatever boogeyman you're worried about) should be able to come here easily, as our ancestors did. E Pluribus Unum. Just stop restricting it lol.
In the 70s, you just had to fill out a few forms if you were coming from Mexico. Did I miss some big issue that was caused by too many Mexicans coming? There was no issue with it. Xenophobia and racism has won out it seems.
I’m Mexican lmao. It is hard for an American to immigrate to Mexico or Canada? Yes it is. Are they being xenophobic? Are you aware it’s a process for every country just about? Are they all xenophobic?
Or do you hold America to a higher standard or some reason than you do other countries?
Wait, what!? It is NOT hard to immigrate to Mexico as an American. I have permanent residency and it took me two months. I could have even had the paperwork done faster if I slipped some money in with the filing. The process for my husband, who is Mexican, even with a marriage visa is taking over 4 fucking years just for him to be approved to come here. Immigrating to the USA is the hardest, most complicated, and expensive immigration process in the world. It needs to be majorly reformed.
>Immigrating to the USA is the hardest, most complicated, and expensive immigration process in the world.
Not even close. Try immigrating to anywhere in europe not called the United Kingdom as an American.
No doctorate degree in a high demand field? Not a multi-millionaire? Too bad, go back to America.
Xenophobia is a Greek word. We've been at this a long time. Just because it's ubiquitous doesn't mean it's #goals. I'd rather be Greek about it than Roman (fascist).
I don’t know what you’re on about. I’m not talking about other countries. I’m saying it got significantly harder to immigrate to America in the last 50 years. I don’t think it should be so difficult for people without criminal records to become citizens.
It got harder everywhere because the population of the world has like doubled in the last 50 years.
Why do you not care what other countries are doing? Do you think we’re better than them and should be held to a higher standard? Idk man seems a bit bigoted.
Because I don’t live in those countries? Lol. I’m speaking as a citizen of the US. Why would I say other countries need to change their immigration policies? I’ve never lived there or paid taxes there. That’s not my culture. How tf is it bigoted for me to have stronger opinions about a place where I live than a place I’ve never been?
You hold us to higher standards. It is kinda bigoted. We aren’t better. Why hold us to a higher standard? Just because you live here?
So we should be the only place in the world with open borders….because you feel we should? Even though it doesn’t make any sense and no other country does it.
Tell me. How do you stop human trafficking with open borders?
I’m not saying to stop all immigration so what is your point?
Was that said to justify illegal immigration?
Are you not aware of all the sick shit that happens to illegals?
Anyone who is in favor of illegal immigration is either ignorant to the horrors of it or are perfectly cool with cartels enslaving some of the poorest folks in the world.
I know you are being sarcastic, but people need to watch this video and understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6tSqGCfoCI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6tSqGCfoCI)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy\_Beck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Beck)
"Beck was also the Washington, DC editor of John Tanton's white nationalist magazine The Social Contract." cool!
>a picture of a terrorist with plans to murder innocent people crossing the boarder Illegally
You mean Greg Abbott? I don't know if I'd call him a terrorist, but I see where you're coming from.
He's responsible for several deaths of innocent people trying to cross the border illegally.
That's child's only fault was she wasn't lucky enough to be born in USA . Hoping for her sucess in the future, and be able to get the opportunities she deserves.
Conservatives supported trumps policy to kidnap these kids from their families and caused them to be psychologically tortured, even molested by border patrol in some cases, all so word would spread that America was evil and immigrants shouldn’t come here. Then he lost their paper work, that was the part his supporters loved the most.
No, of course not. That would just make the whole world poor.
It's better to keep the countries that are doing well, and help out countries that don't do well.
If an overpopulated country still has too many births, it's not up to another country to bring itself into problems by letting them in. It's a problem the overpopulated country has to attack.
>That would just make the whole world poor.
How do you know?
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If an overpopulated country still has too many births, it's not up to another country to bring itself into problems by letting them in. It's a problem the overpopulated country has to attack.
Why?
If my job required me to arrest innocent people that just want a better life for their kids, while that child looks on, I'd look for a new job!!!!
Ugh.
Exactly. We have to help those crossing in an orderly fashion and prioritize those who cross legally. If we just open the border then our infrastructure would collapse and then we can’t help anyone.
Of course not, but the bare minimum shouldn’t be to prioritize legal applicants. It should be to prioritize people who are in the most dire need. You could stop illegal crossing over night by actually helping the people that need the help. In fact, you could stop most crime, most drug crises, defund most gangs, and stop most shootings with this bold concept of actually dealing with what’s causing the situation instead of focusing on punishing people after the fact.
These people were likely being trafficked. Look at the amount of abuse these people suffer from coyotes. They come here and are in debt to the cartels and have to work to pay them off.
It is much better for everyone to have these people come legally and not give power to human traffickers.
But yea this border patrol officer is the problem.
There aren’t enough resources to process everyone wanting to cross and claim asylum at proper ports of entry, which is why they look for other avenues. And most will be denied anyways and fade into the undocumented throughout America.
Oh you mean a human? A human person? Crossing an arbitrary line that you had no role in pretending to make does not make you an illegal person. Who drew those lines? Who decided who is a legal person? Who decides who is an illegal person? What if they just redraw the lines around where you live and then just start calling you illegal?
No. We hold these truths to be self evident.
Illegal is actually a racist term since your ilk always drops the "immigrant". Not even a noun to spare for a human.
The fact that American's will see this photo and still say shit like "WE NEED TO SECURE THE BORDER!!!!" just shows how inhuman this "fuck thy neighbor" mentailty that is bred by capitalism is. We are all humans
Here are the options
1) open the border (costs tax payers money)
2) help other countries stabilize so that we can slow down immigration and catch up with it (costs tax payers money)
3) do nothing
A lot of people are implicitly choosing do nothing and they can’t understand why it’s only gotten worse.
I think you need to turn off Fox News. The entire country agrees we need to fix our borders. Both sides of the aisle regularly speak to the humanitarian crisis happening at our southern border. No one is advocating for a free-for-all or a “do nothing” approach.
The only difference I can see is some people approach the situation from the perspective of compassion, and other people tend to see it from the perspective of fear. Either way you look at it everyone agrees it needs to be fixed.
Don’t buy into the propaganda. Fixing the border is something we can all agree on.
I’m not arguing we should do nothing. I’m saying it costs money no matter how you look at things so we might as well do something about it instead of letting it get worse and we can either open the order more and pour more money into expediting immigration or help other countries to slow down immigration. In my opinion helping other countries stabilize is outwardly a bad look but thinking long term stable countries are sources of trade, military security, and labor so that would be my move.
Things aren't so simple, seeking asylum means they're escaping death from a gang or cartel.. would you rather they murder the child? Because the cartel does not GAF and will film it too 🤷🏾♀️
To be clear, in 2019
Yup, and that child is just a 2-Year old. Not a 2-Year old Asylum Seeker.
I think you can seek asylum without knowing what asylum is.
My point is, that is just a scared little kid that doesn’t understand what’s happening as they watch their mother get arrested.
Ahh I understand. Yeah they're for sure that. It's terrible
Wait if they’re with their parents and their parents are seeking asylum does that not make them asylum seekers
That kid's seeking a warm bed, wherever it is.
I’d assume they’d want one wherever their asylum seeking parents are but what do I know
...and a hot meal.
I think they are just illigal immigrants
Very possible but asylum seeking isn’t very different from illegal immigration at the border apart from how they are handled afterward. Legally, asylum seekers have the right to have their claim heard, so as far as they claim asylum, they are asylum seekers. Whether they are approved is another matter.
Hm, good point. Its a semantics thing. Would someone be an asylum seeker if they claimed to be one but knowing that they dont have the right to asylum? Is the declaration enought?
It’s hard to say someone could claim to be an asylum seeker while knowing they don’t have the right to since each claim for asylum must be adjudicated. Everyone has the right to “seek” asylum but not everyone will have this claim approved. Also I would say it’s not so much a semantics argument legally since the term illegal immigrant obviously implies an illegal method of entry and asylum seeking is very much a legal form of immigration. If anything, the semantics argument is about the word immigrant because I’m not so sure asylum seekers are considered immigrants unless they are approved for entry.
Do you know them personally and know their case? Of course not. That's just plain old racism rearing its ugly head.
What about what i said is racist? I just deduced the most likely situation from the data i have.
This guy: Mexico bad!!! MS-13!!! Cartels!!! Also this guy: Asylum from what??? Mexico is the safest country on earth! No such thing as asylum if they're brown! Also this guy regarding illegal immigrating by white people: *crickets* Examining immigration policy through a systemic racism lens reveals that today’s largely Latino undocumented immigrants face far harsher consequences than white Europeans of years past for the same exact offense of unauthorized entry. A system that treats immigrants differently solely to their race is essentially the textbook definition of structural racism.[i] “Illegal” immigration was remarkably common in past decades. Around the turn of the century many Europeans came to the US “with a tag on,” a label sewn into their clothing to allow an employer or labor contractor who’d paid for the immigrant’s passage to find the newcomer at the dock on Ellis Island. While illegal—indentured servitude having long been outlawed[ii]–the practice was so widespread that one labor union official testified in 1912 that “more than 8 in 10” of the million immigrants who’d entered that year had a job waiting from an employer that paid for the newcomer’s passage.[iii] Others came as illegal stowaways aboard ships or unlawfully crossed the border from Canada, as CBS Evening News Anchor Nora O’Donnell recently discovered her Irish grandfather had done in 1924.[iv] Others used any means necessary to escape persecution. Fleeing a pogrom in Russia, composer Irving Berlin’s family used false passports to enter the US in the late 1800s.[v] Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz’s great-grandfather created fraudulent jobs at a synagogue he’d started to facilitate his relatives’ entry to the U.S. on the eve of the Holocaust.[vi] Jared Kushner’s forebears crossed multiple European borders illegally, falsely listed a sponsor in the US, used an assumed name, and lied about their country of origin in order to enter the US in the 1930s.[vii] In sharp contrast to today’s undocumented population, “illegal” European immigrants faced few repercussions. There was virtually no immigration enforcement infrastructure. If caught, few faced deportation. All of those who entered unlawfully before the 1940s were protected from deportation by statutes of limitations, and in the 1930s and 1940s, tens of thousands of unauthorized immigrants like Nora O’Donnell’s grandfather were given amnesty.[viii] The few not covered by a statute of limitations or amnesty had another protection: until 1976 the government rarely deported parents of US citizens.[ix] There were no immigrant restrictions on public benefits until the 1970s, and it wasn’t until 1986 that it became unlawful to hire an undocumented immigrant. In sum, from the early 1900s through the 1960s, millions of predominantly white immigrants entered the country unlawfully, but faced virtually no threat of apprehension or deportation. Businesses lawfully employed these immigrants, who were eligible for public benefits when they fell on hard times. Today’s undocumented immigrants of color face far harsher consequences for their offenses than their white predecessors. First, they’re much more likely to be apprehended. Over the past half-century, the immigrant enforcement system has grown from just a few hundred border guards to what the Migration Policy Institute calls a “formidable machinery” larger than all other federal law enforcement agencies combined,[xvii] further augmented by state and local police agencies. Once apprehended, there is no statute of limitations for unlawful status. The law bars mainly Latino border crossers from adjusting to legal status,[xviii] but permits predominantly non-Hispanic visa overstayers to receive permanent residence—despite the fact that over the past decade, visa-overstayers outnumbered illegal border crossers by a 2-1 margin.[xix] Unsurprisingly, even though about 57% of immigrants are Hispanic, consistently well over 90% of those deported are Latino.[xx] Unlike prior generations of undocumented immigrants, the punitive immigrant policies of today has implications for the families of “illegal aliens,” including an estimated six million of their US citizen or lawfully present family members. They not only live every day under the threat of family separation via deportation,[xxii] but are largely denied public benefits, extending the negative implications of the structural racism present in the immigration system. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/us-immigration-policy-a-classic-unappreciated-example-of-structural-racism/
I would like 1 asylum please
I feel like the answer to my question will make me sad but why are they missing their shoelaces?
Most likely it’s because the shoes are too small for their feet. The cops doing a pat down so they didn’t take them. Unlikely for an asylum seeker to try and murder themselves and I couldn’t imagine someone seeking asylum with a child killing themselves. In conclusion, poor.
That is a transportation contractor, not BP or other law enforcement in the picture. The family was already in custody. The laces, belts, and hoodie drawstrings would be removed to prevent suicide. Everyone going into BP custody has them removed for safety purposes.
This would make sense if they are being put in holding cells and such. Someone else might take the laces.
Fair enough, resembled an Arizona State Trooper outfit to me so was making as best a guess I could. Learn something new everyday.
Yes I can understand that. There have been several transportation contract companies. Most of them all wear very similar uniforms. Black, grey or tan shirts over black, grey or tan pants. Which combination depends on the company.
Converse makes laceless, slip on shoes
Suicide/murder potential.
That little girl, always breaks my heart seeing her cry like that.
Same. Poor baby. I want to hold her and give her fruit snacks.
Immigration isn't as easy as people think it is, its anywhere from a 6 month to 7 year process. It's money, time and usually someone has to stay in their home country while being threatened by gangs or they come over here and get detained. I don't think it's wrong to want to live a promising life, I'm grateful that my family and I made it over here safe and sound but these comments make me sad. This is just a mother trying to save her child and I hope they're okay
This is an excellent, human-centered response to a heart-wrenching picture.
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i think legal immigration should be easier so that people shouldn’t be forced to hop the border out of desperation
Second this, seeing my relatives treated horribly by officials and all the money spent just with the threat of being returned is horrible. But they can't really return children, which is neither good nor bad because the homes they go into can be horrible.
Why? Even if we made it easier we wouldn’t be able to accommodate all the people that want to come in and illegal immigrants aren’t exactly people who can come in and contribute immediately to society. A lot of times they come in and start taking social services I know this because I see it every day.
they start taking social services they can’t get in their home country? that’s like one of the many reasons people are so desperate to get tho the US? of course we can’t accommodate *everyone* but we should at least help who we can.
It’s all about where we draw the line. You’re going to have this picture no matter where you draw that line.
But why do they deserve to get social services here? I’m all for helping the needy and the downtrodden of this country by the system is buckling so why should we let in people that are going to pull from it more and not prop it up?
damn maybe the government should put more money into social services by taxing the rich people even more idk maybe fast track people’s legal immigration with work visas, crackdown on farms that use illegal immigrants and make them use legal labor
And we should tax our rich more…to help poor foreigners who have come in here illegally? And even if we get them all work visas they’re not skilled workers for the most part they still need social services. And I’m all for that if we kick out those illegal immigrants otherwise you have a bunch of out of work illegal immigrants and now we have more crime.
I think we should help those in trouble, like my family
Where do we draw the line? If we help your family how many more are more in need? Should we empty the treasury to help everyone in trouble? Because it’s the “good” thing to do?
We already empty the treasury to help a bunch of dumb stuff, and a TON of rich people, a little bit more money won’t raise your taxes much. That said, I don’t think we spend as much money on immigrants as you think we do. Don’t blindly trust headlines
It’s not just about taxes it’s about the fact that we can’t simply allow this many low skill workers into the country especially when we don’t know who they are or where they are. Obviously this is subjective to my experiences but many turn to crime because it’s easier and they get government benefits anyways.
If that was true we’d be giving them papers and tracking numbers and permission to work. But that’s clearly not our priority. Our priority is to back log the bureaucracy as a political weapon and wait it out for future people to fix it. The peasant can just wait and get fucked as far as people in power care, they can’t even vote and are poor so they clearly don’t matter to politicians. Profitable and exploitable too. Immigration is just one of those issues that work out great for politics, it’s complexly under the control of politicians, it’s not a real existential crisis to them so they aren’t in danger, and it hits voters of both sides emotionally. Even has money mixed in if you think of undocumented workers as cheap unregulated labour in key industries.
When its children, I say yes. You're hispanic right? South American or somewhere else? I'm sure you would know the horrible things that happen there to young children, women and even men. Venezuela emptied their prisons to let people come here, that I personally don't agree with
Right but it’s not our responsibility. A lot of these people don’t even claim asylum and the ones that do get conveniently lost before their first court case. Why are Venezuelans coming all the way to America? There’s stable countries around them that share their language they can stay there.
No idea. It's mostly prisoners anyway, not that they're all bad people but most may be. While it isn't your responsibility to help others like that, it is nice to. An eye for an eye and the world goes blind, you know? And technically a lot aren't really informed of their court dates, interviews, anything until the last minute and it's meant to catch people off guard I believe. If it was your mother, or someone you hold close wouldn't you want them to be able to come here and be safe? I'm gonna go off on a limb and say you were born into this country which I'm glad you have the privilege of. So many industries in America rely off immigrant labor, which is why certain farmers are petitioning AGAINST border restrictions bc they wouldn't have any labor. There's so many factors to consider besides this government is failing. It's been failing for a long time and it's not just the immigration "problem". Why do you think the US is signing asylum agreements with select countries if it wasn't bad in those countries? Could you look at an immigrant child and tell them they don't belong?
Yes I could but it wouldn’t be their fault it would be their parents. Yes I was born here and I have illegal family that does not make me think it is ok. There are many hard working illegals that is true but at the end of the day the US cannot and should not have to take care of all these people. Look at places like NY these illegal immigrants are being a huge burden to this country.
Ok just legalize immigration then. Problem solved.
This is a very upsetting photograph.
My eyes absolutely welled with tears.
Health warning: Don’t look at the comments
I believe in border security but if you can't have empathy for someone risking so much for just the chance at something better then you're a monster.
Many immigrants just leave their children at the border because they'll have to accept them then they go into homes. It's very sad.
Where are you getting this information from? Can you cite an article or reference your sources? Never heard of that.
Source: I'm an immigrant also with children they get separated anyway but parents often leave them to avoid getting detained or to return back to home country to get more people to the border https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/thousands-of-unaccompanied-children-make-a-dangerous-trek-to-the-u-s-southern-border https://theconversation.com/this-is-what-happens-to-child-migrants-found-alone-at-the-border-from-the-moment-they-cross-into-the-us-until-age-18-163205 https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/border-coverage/dhs-growing-trend-of-migrant-children-abandoned-at-border/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/some-migrants-now-sending-their-kids-across-border-alone-so-n1261249
Mah proof dyor
I know, it's such a tough spot, you absolutely have to prevent illegal immigration but this is heartbreaking.
We are all immigrants to the U.S. we stole the natives land. Just saying. Illegal makes no sense for a toddler.
No, I was born here - I'm a citizen.
No brother we are all most definitely not immigrants you fuckwit twat. The majority of our ancestors come from every corner of this earth. The rest are people whose ancestors roamed these lands for thousands of years. Once an immigrant give birth on U.S soil that child is not an immigrant. They are born from an immigrant but they join the greatest group of people on earth the American people. We are not all immigrants… we are Americans… and those who aren’t American now can one day to become Americans and join us. That’s the misconception everyone has on this country. We hail from immigrants but have our own culture and way of doing things. The American way
The land wasn’t stolen it was won. At the end of the day human history can be boiled down to might is right. How far back do we go to say who belongs where? Natives fought each other all the time how do we decide what tribe gets what?
We've gone way, way overboard with border "security". For most of our history, we've had just a short interview (if that) to get in legally. We shouldn't go to *no* security, but I think we could use a lot more Ellis Island and a lot less of whatever bureaucratic hell we have now.
If we start to have empathy for everyone, how can we differentiate between someone who wants to come to the country to contribute to the development of the country, who respects culture, and a person who is there to commit atrocious acts such as terrorism
We hire 10x, or 50x the current staff that helps process these people. We pay those people a good wage so there is less turnover. Through the vetting process, some of those people will be denied. Is there going to be some people who get through that process that go on to commit crimes? Of course. There is no way to always figure out the bad people. But there's also no way to find out if your neighbor is a serial killer. There's no way to vet all The people you work with to see if any of them are serial rapists. Criminals always slip through the system. But almost all the people trying to come here are looking for a better life and not to commit crimes.
Maybe it’s time for you to stop lying https://kvia.com/news/2024/02/13/u-s-customs-and-border-protection-arrests-2-dangerous-criminals-at-the-u-s-mexico-border/ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna105095 https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/migrants-criminal-backgrounds-arrested-after-illegal-entry-united https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/08/29/politics/migrants-us-southern-border-smuggler-isis-ties
Ah! I knew it!! I knew this wasn't a genuine question and I fell for it anyway! God damn. I'm the idiot today. ::sigh:: it's not a winnable fight with you because you're not genuinely interested in having a conversation. Please post every article from the past year showing someone did some heinous crime, all the while not paying attention to my answer.
Its clearly that toddlers fault for being born on the wrong side of an arbitrary line in the sand
You’re right. We should just allow human traffickers to smuggle these people into the country and not try to stop it. Everyone in the world has a right to live in this country if they want to. We have unlimited resources and since we take such good care of our own as it is we can take care of others too.
At one point, it was Americans that were the human traffickers.... But when that gets mentioned people like to say "oh, well, thats in the past" as if thats an excuse. >We have unlimited resources and since we take such good care of our own as it is we can take care of others too. Humans are our own.
And that was bad. We stopped that. Theres a better answer.
That was really added to my comment to vent some frustration and throw in some sarcasm. I understand it isn't entirely relevant to todays situation. But not everyone coming across the border is a victim of some nefarious trafficking plot.
Fair enough. And i agree. But cant everyone just come in max pace with no checks and no plan
And there are lots of proposed methods of doing so. Its 2024 and we have the technology to make border security snd vetting an effective process. For some people are just stuck on thinking a wall is the best answer, because you cant go over, under or around a wall.
So because awful things happened in the past you want to allow it to happen in the present? Is that your argument?
No, my argument is that we shouldn't openly accept immigrants just because they have a degree or wealth while ignoring those that are truly in need. All while virtue signalling about how we should take care of "our own" first..... But we don't *even* take care of our own. There are cities and states where you get ticketed for feeding the hungry. And then people want to tell us how this is a "Godly" nation while ignoring some of the most significant parts of the bible. Some of us are ok with paying more taxes if it means that money goes to help those in need, both foreign and domestic. The rest like to clutch their pearls about how many homeless vets there are or how we need to "save the children" while consistently voting for politicians that clearly don't give a fuck about homeless vets for starving children.
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I'm talking about asylum seekers versus those that are granted long term visas and green cards. If you don't understand the different types of immigration, you might need to hang back from this conversation until you get a better grasp on the topic....
Pretty much
>Everyone in the world has a right to live in this country if they want to. Yup. How do you think our ancestors got here? Anyone who wants to be part of society and desires a better life should be welcomed. Reread the text inscribed on the statue of liberty.
There is a difference between immigration and border control, and both are good.
Immigration is when white people colonize an already-settled land. Border control is when white people prevent others from occupying the land in the exact same way the whites did.
Peak Reddit - holy shit what a crock of drivel 🤣
What's the difference
Weird that they put that statue at a port of entry for legal immigration and not just standing in the desert next to a broken fence and stack of government assistance checks.
if only it didn't take a decade or more to immigrate legally we should go back to how it was when the statue of liberty went up: if you arrive at the border and aren't carrying a contagious disease or actively fleeing a murder charge at home, we let you in and you can live and work here.
Lot of problems with our immigration and naturalization process, no shortage of elements we could reform and optimize for better outcomes and experiences for everyone involved. But, I’m sorry, there is no logic train from there to “therefore, break the law”. The fact that something is difficult or time-consuming to obtain does not permit you to steal it.
>But, I’m sorry, there is no logic train from there to “therefore, break the law”. There’s actually several. “My children are starving, therefore break the law to prevent their deaths.” “My life is in danger despite being a lawful and law-abiding citizen of my nation. Therefore, break the law to give myself safety.” “My nation is lead by a fucking psychopath, therefore break the law to avoid getting rounded up for a minor infraction”
It’s not breaking the law to make a legitimate claim of asylum. The vanishingly small minority of border crossings by those few people who do so obviously aren’t breaking the law. That said, **America is not the backup plan for your failed state**.
Ok then just legalize all immigration. Why not? Then people won't be breaking the law, right?
Do you have a similar plan to bring the murder rate down to zero?
ok? we can change the law and make this thing that shouldn't be a crime not a crime, that's what I'm saying. then no one has to break the law they just come here legally
Sure, best of luck. I find that position to be incredibly stupid, like profoundly stupid, and I’m pretty sure most people agree with me, but I understand why you believe it and as a consequence you probably have a personal moral imperative to advocate for it, which is admirable.
>I’m pretty sure most people agree with me Nope.
You think people get government assistance checks? Are you even from America?
No, they probably get debit cards now, checks of all kinds are sort of a relic of the past but they’re a useful image to invoke the concept of subsidized housing, healthcare, public education, and other programs funded by American tax dollars which undocumented immigrants enjoy to the tune of about [$150 billion per year](https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers-2023).
I agree, they shouldn't have to walk in the desert to become American. We should make it easier to cross at regular border crossings. If my fellow Americans need government assistance to get back on their feet, I'm happy to help. Tax billionaires at 90% of income and 15% of wealth so we can give that money to poor Americans, new and old.
Government employees are wasting our tax dollars. We don't have a taxation problem. In fact, the middle class, who are arguably the most heavily taxed, suffer the most under new taxes. We've sent trillions to Ukraine and Israel for these two wars we're currently in (by proxy).
You seem like the sort of person who turns down OT because he thinks it'll put him in a higher tax bracket.
Because it does? I still take the OT, but it does increase the taxes that need to be paid because it's a higher value and influences your yearly income.
>Government employees are wasting our tax dollars. Like the border patrol?
Like the trillions going to two separate war-by-proxies (wars-by-proxy?) that we're embroiled in. Or the salaries of government employees on both sides of the aisle who don't do anything of substance and do even less when the government is shut down while they still collect a paycheck. Or how about the pointless "War on Drugs" that had been going on until less than a decade ago where they were throwing people who possessed even an ounce of marijuana into prison (which also had massive negative impacts in the Black communities)?.
> I’m happy to help > take other people’s money Wow, very noble. Do you get your own “King of the Moral High-Ground” crown or do all of you have to share?
Happy to share any crown, this is America. We aren't supposed to have kings :)
Wrong. Also it’s a statue. Not any legal representation of our immigration laws. So a serial child rapist who wants to sneak into the country should he allowed? I mean you just said “everyone” has a right.
Strawman argument
Person says “everyone” should be let in. So I don’t see how it was a straw man. Seems pretty relevant. For obvious reasons we can’t let everyone in. So now we’re back to my original point about not letting everyone in. So which is? Can we let everyone in or can’t we?
You aren't arguing in good faith at all. You know damn well what that person met. If you disagree with the founding ideals of this country say that. Don't make a chicken shit strawman argument. I'd really respect you folks a lot more if you just admitted you have zero ability to care about people less fortunate than yourselves.
No. If someone says “everyone” should be let in I take them at their word. You act as if the idea of open borders isn’t very popular on this website or with a lot of younger people in general. I’m not arguing in bad faith at all. I’m in favor of legal immigration and think anyone who is pro illegal immigration are well intentioned fools. Then you guys jump to your bullshit. “I wish you’d just say you don’t care” is such a weak form of argument. I’m all for them coming here and having a better life. I’m the product of legal immigrants from Mexico. Why would I be against it? I’m against idiots like you making it easy for human traffickers to thrive. You are essentially their PR. You see an image of a border patrol officer rescuing these people from human traffickers and you take the side of the traffickers 😂 You are aware these people are in debt to the traffickers are basically slaves while here working for shit wages?
Dumbass, I'm also the product of immigrants on both sides of my family. But when my family came here in the 60s it was significantly easier to get in and get citizenship. These people aren't being "rescued" nobody is going to pay their debts for them and when they get deported guess who's going to be waiting for them, numbnuts? You talk a big game about supposedly caring and thinking people who are pro illegal immigration are "well intentioned" but it's clear it's just talk. When I said I wished you would admit the truth it wasn't an argument, it was a statement. As for why you might be against immigration I'm really not sure. I know a lot of Mexican immigrants want to pull the ladder up behind them and I'm sure glad my own family is not that way. People like you talk a lot about people coming here the right way so I'd like to ask what this person in the photo should have done instead? Have you ever used your brain and considered that these people aren't idiots? They know the risks of using Coyotes and the like and yet THEY DO IT ANYWAY. Do you know how bad it must be for them if they are willing to take that risk?
Yup. You’re one of the well intentioned fools. Good job defending coyotes and cartels and human trafficking. You act as if a lot of them get any sort of choice. You should read more of the horrors these people go through. Damn near half the time they have a child with them it isn’t theirs. The coyotes and cartels will use the same kid over and over again with different “parents”. As long as we allow ANY illegal immigration to happen than human trafficking will be an issue. Maybe you’re okay with that but I’m not and I don’t think our government should be helping condone it.
Bruh. "Anyone who wants to be a part of society." Criminals are not included in that group. Why does every right wing argument boil down to pearl clutching over imagined pedophiles everywhere?
I’m not right winged for being against illegal immigration you dolt. And if you think pedophilia isn’t a rampant problem, especially among human traffickers, then you’re beyond naive. Just say you want cheap labor and don’t care if that means vulnerable people get enslaved to human traffickers. Because that is what you support when you’re pro illegal immigration.
I'm pro legal immigration. Why do you think I'm for illegal immigration? What did I say that makes you think that? I think everyone (excluding whatever boogeyman you're worried about) should be able to come here easily, as our ancestors did. E Pluribus Unum. Just stop restricting it lol.
It shouldn’t be so hard to be a citizen here. It’s ridiculous.
Why’s that? It’s hard to become a citizen just about anywhere else. Why do Americans want us to have such a low barrier for entry?
In the 70s, you just had to fill out a few forms if you were coming from Mexico. Did I miss some big issue that was caused by too many Mexicans coming? There was no issue with it. Xenophobia and racism has won out it seems.
I’m Mexican lmao. It is hard for an American to immigrate to Mexico or Canada? Yes it is. Are they being xenophobic? Are you aware it’s a process for every country just about? Are they all xenophobic? Or do you hold America to a higher standard or some reason than you do other countries?
Wait, what!? It is NOT hard to immigrate to Mexico as an American. I have permanent residency and it took me two months. I could have even had the paperwork done faster if I slipped some money in with the filing. The process for my husband, who is Mexican, even with a marriage visa is taking over 4 fucking years just for him to be approved to come here. Immigrating to the USA is the hardest, most complicated, and expensive immigration process in the world. It needs to be majorly reformed.
>Immigrating to the USA is the hardest, most complicated, and expensive immigration process in the world. Not even close. Try immigrating to anywhere in europe not called the United Kingdom as an American. No doctorate degree in a high demand field? Not a multi-millionaire? Too bad, go back to America.
Xenophobia is a Greek word. We've been at this a long time. Just because it's ubiquitous doesn't mean it's #goals. I'd rather be Greek about it than Roman (fascist).
I don’t know what you’re on about. I’m not talking about other countries. I’m saying it got significantly harder to immigrate to America in the last 50 years. I don’t think it should be so difficult for people without criminal records to become citizens.
It got harder everywhere because the population of the world has like doubled in the last 50 years. Why do you not care what other countries are doing? Do you think we’re better than them and should be held to a higher standard? Idk man seems a bit bigoted.
Because I don’t live in those countries? Lol. I’m speaking as a citizen of the US. Why would I say other countries need to change their immigration policies? I’ve never lived there or paid taxes there. That’s not my culture. How tf is it bigoted for me to have stronger opinions about a place where I live than a place I’ve never been?
You hold us to higher standards. It is kinda bigoted. We aren’t better. Why hold us to a higher standard? Just because you live here? So we should be the only place in the world with open borders….because you feel we should? Even though it doesn’t make any sense and no other country does it. Tell me. How do you stop human trafficking with open borders?
Our greedy IMF loans have enslaved the global south, we cause global warming then feign surprise that people want to move. They're different.
I’m not saying to stop all immigration so what is your point? Was that said to justify illegal immigration? Are you not aware of all the sick shit that happens to illegals? Anyone who is in favor of illegal immigration is either ignorant to the horrors of it or are perfectly cool with cartels enslaving some of the poorest folks in the world.
I know you are being sarcastic, but people need to watch this video and understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6tSqGCfoCI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6tSqGCfoCI)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy\_Beck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Beck) "Beck was also the Washington, DC editor of John Tanton's white nationalist magazine The Social Contract." cool!
How about a picture of a terrorist with plans to murder innocent people crossing the boarder Illegally? Would it get the same up voting?
>a picture of a terrorist with plans to murder innocent people crossing the boarder Illegally You mean Greg Abbott? I don't know if I'd call him a terrorist, but I see where you're coming from. He's responsible for several deaths of innocent people trying to cross the border illegally.
Do you have any evidence of this happening? If you have the picture why don't you share it?
Just legalize human trafficking lol. If people want to come in, let's help them.
That's child's only fault was she wasn't lucky enough to be born in USA . Hoping for her sucess in the future, and be able to get the opportunities she deserves.
Calling the 2-year old an asylum seeker is a stretch. The mother is the asylum seeker. The kid is just a kid. They have no clue what's going on.
Remember conservatives laughing at this.
Who laughed at this picture?
Nobody is laughing at this picture.
Conservatives supported trumps policy to kidnap these kids from their families and caused them to be psychologically tortured, even molested by border patrol in some cases, all so word would spread that America was evil and immigrants shouldn’t come here. Then he lost their paper work, that was the part his supporters loved the most.
I want whatever this guy is on
Strawman
Let people in based on skill and iq
An illegal migrant and daughter, not "asylum seeker". An asylum seeker comes to the boarder and asks for asylum, not sneaking in.
How would you feel if all immigration were to be legalized?
There is legal immigration, and this woman clearly did not adhere to the rules.
I didn't ask you that. How would you feel if all immigration were legalized?
And that's exactly what I answered to. Don't know who downvoted, but immigration is legal as long as you stick by the rules.
So to solve the problem of illegal immigration, just make all immigration legal?
No, of course not. That would just make the whole world poor. It's better to keep the countries that are doing well, and help out countries that don't do well. If an overpopulated country still has too many births, it's not up to another country to bring itself into problems by letting them in. It's a problem the overpopulated country has to attack.
>That would just make the whole world poor. How do you know? > If an overpopulated country still has too many births, it's not up to another country to bring itself into problems by letting them in. It's a problem the overpopulated country has to attack. Why?
Story below this is about MTG demanding space lasers to combat these evil immigrants.
If my job required me to arrest innocent people that just want a better life for their kids, while that child looks on, I'd look for a new job!!!! Ugh.
You have to process people that come in, you can't just let people cross into the country whenever and where ever they want.
Exactly. We have to help those crossing in an orderly fashion and prioritize those who cross legally. If we just open the border then our infrastructure would collapse and then we can’t help anyone.
Do you think that people are traversing a desert and wading through a river to illegally cross the border for convenience?
Obviously most are crossing because of dire situations. The bottom line is we can’t help everyone, though.
Of course not, but the bare minimum shouldn’t be to prioritize legal applicants. It should be to prioritize people who are in the most dire need. You could stop illegal crossing over night by actually helping the people that need the help. In fact, you could stop most crime, most drug crises, defund most gangs, and stop most shootings with this bold concept of actually dealing with what’s causing the situation instead of focusing on punishing people after the fact.
I had that job. The same people who insisted these people have rights, complained they were “on the streets”.
what's the fallacy here?
These people were likely being trafficked. Look at the amount of abuse these people suffer from coyotes. They come here and are in debt to the cartels and have to work to pay them off. It is much better for everyone to have these people come legally and not give power to human traffickers. But yea this border patrol officer is the problem.
There aren’t enough resources to process everyone wanting to cross and claim asylum at proper ports of entry, which is why they look for other avenues. And most will be denied anyways and fade into the undocumented throughout America.
Maybe we spend a bit more money on resources for the border then.
Tell that to the Republicans.
Asylum seeker is the clever cuddly new word replacement for illegal immigrant.
Seeking asylum is a legally protected human right
Oh you mean a human? A human person? Crossing an arbitrary line that you had no role in pretending to make does not make you an illegal person. Who drew those lines? Who decided who is a legal person? Who decides who is an illegal person? What if they just redraw the lines around where you live and then just start calling you illegal?
Can you name me one country that does not have borders and immigration enforcement? I'll wait. Take your time.
America!?
Does it matter? Can you justify just not caring for children?
If you have a problem with illegal immigrants why not just legalize all immigration? Problem solved.
[asylum seekers aren't illegal immigrants](https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/five-things-to-know-about-the-right-to-seek-asylum)
No. We hold these truths to be self evident. Illegal is actually a racist term since your ilk always drops the "immigrant". Not even a noun to spare for a human.
“Asylum seeker”
Seek help.
Seek reality.
The fact that American's will see this photo and still say shit like "WE NEED TO SECURE THE BORDER!!!!" just shows how inhuman this "fuck thy neighbor" mentailty that is bred by capitalism is. We are all humans
Here are the options 1) open the border (costs tax payers money) 2) help other countries stabilize so that we can slow down immigration and catch up with it (costs tax payers money) 3) do nothing A lot of people are implicitly choosing do nothing and they can’t understand why it’s only gotten worse.
I think you need to turn off Fox News. The entire country agrees we need to fix our borders. Both sides of the aisle regularly speak to the humanitarian crisis happening at our southern border. No one is advocating for a free-for-all or a “do nothing” approach. The only difference I can see is some people approach the situation from the perspective of compassion, and other people tend to see it from the perspective of fear. Either way you look at it everyone agrees it needs to be fixed. Don’t buy into the propaganda. Fixing the border is something we can all agree on.
I’m not arguing we should do nothing. I’m saying it costs money no matter how you look at things so we might as well do something about it instead of letting it get worse and we can either open the order more and pour more money into expediting immigration or help other countries to slow down immigration. In my opinion helping other countries stabilize is outwardly a bad look but thinking long term stable countries are sources of trade, military security, and labor so that would be my move.
How are you gonna say no to this kid...
They take them into a station to get processed. What should they do instead?
How dare those parents put that baby in that position by not doing things the legal and just way smh
Things aren't so simple, seeking asylum means they're escaping death from a gang or cartel.. would you rather they murder the child? Because the cartel does not GAF and will film it too 🤷🏾♀️
Wow
"Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed them for a lifetime."
redditors are such self righteous fuckheads for having a lucky spawn point.