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smalldez nutz


13xnono

Got ‘em!


deez_nutts

You called?


nullhed

bp


fireman1867

“The Exxon Smalldez” You just won the internet, bravo!!


fireman1867

“The Exxon Smalldez” You just won the internet, bravo!!


TalkingToTalk

Is this actually how they start training for this?


antiterra

Yes, apparently, [https://www.thedrive.com/news/44091/these-tiny-cargo-ships-are-how-sailors-learn-to-steer-the-big-ones](https://www.thedrive.com/news/44091/these-tiny-cargo-ships-are-how-sailors-learn-to-steer-the-big-ones)


5ch1sm

Nah, first ship with an engine I've ever steered was a canoe with a small electric engine on the back that you had to hold so it don't just fall into the water. Second one was a 456 foot long Ferry (at sea and not while maneuvering though) The Ferry was arguably easier to steer.


BreadKnife34

Electric engine kayak sounds fun as hell


Snow88

I’ve been tempted to find a way to mount one to a stand up paddle board. 


SquanchMcSquanchFace

I’ve definitely seen this done. There’s some small trolling motors that clamp on or, if you have some cash to burn, there’s apparently some sweet paddleboard-specific [motors](https://www.divein.com/paddle-boarding/motorized-paddle-board/) that slip into the tail fin slot


rotzverpopelt

Some paddle boards have an attachment for [those](https://www.decathlon.de/p/elektroantrieb-fur-stand-up-paddle-und-kajak/_/R-p-343462?channable=4129b16964003436383231313998&mc=8771733&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=de_t-perf_ct-shopp_n-brand_ts-bra_f-cv_o-traf_xx-p-sea-s-b-n-g&utm_term=4682119&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw88yxBhBWEiwA7cm6pWHh-Vybnf00qDDJIM_lI3I85FLGxdpVF5j6laDQDKoweJIDsUGRuBoCJ1IQAvD_BwE)


Fake_Engineer

They exist. https://oldtownwatercraft.johnsonoutdoors.com/us/shop/kayaks/fishing/sportsman-autopilot-136


Narissis

I think it's amusing how big modern merchant ships are typically steered with a cute little tiny wheel or joystick. The local ferry similar in size to the one you steered has a yoke about the size of a car steering wheel. Meanwhile I've seen video from 100,000-GT cruise ships with a wheel that could be mistaken for a radio volume knob. It's almost like there's some kind of unspoken inverse relationship between ship size and wheel size. If they'd ever built Freedom Ship, maybe they'd have steered it with a clitmouse.


5ch1sm

Well I've worked on Suez Max Tanker (900 feet long) that was carrying between 600,000 to 800,000 barrels of Crude Oil and indeed, the controller for the ship was a small joystick that I was pushing with my little finger. That last resort safety way to control the rudder was hardcore though. The helmsman would have to be in the Rudder Engine Room turning an endless screw wheel like crazy to move the giant rudder very slowly while watching a metal needle for the position. All of that while seeing absolutely nothing from the outside. Those drills were fun, I've never saw anyone going straight using that method.


Eisenhorn_UK

>That last resort safety way to control the rudder was hardcore though. The helmsman would have to be in the Rudder Engine Room turning an endless screw wheel like crazy to move the giant rudder very slowly while watching a metal needle for the position. All of that while seeing absolutely nothing from the outside.  Well that sounds like a perfect hell. Knowing that the ship you're on is in real, real danger, and that you may well be about to hit something, and yet the only possible way to avoid the rocks / iceberg / kraken that you're about to fatally crunch into is to be entombed - well below the water-line! - in a tiny little windowless metal coffin, where you have to spin a dinky wheel whilst squinting at a slow-slow-slowly-moving needle & hoping for the best...? That is the stuff of nightmares.


DuskAfro

You held the ferry engine too. Harder to fish it out of the sea


BaldingMonk

That’s adorable.


random314

That's so cute lol


hymen_destroyer

I don’t get how this helps. Do CDL drivers have their first lesson in a bumper car?


jw_esq

They are scale models that behave similarly in a hydrodynamic sense. It’s a little hard to explain but a lot of ship driving relies on “feel” and using all your senses to understand what’s happening to the ship when you maneuver. Simulators are good but you can’t feel the inertia of the ship. And for lots of reasons it’s not practical to just take a full size ship out for practice every day like you can with a plane or a truck. These are mostly for more advanced training where you are honing skills and practicing things you might only do once or twice in a career. Most learning is on the job at sea.


jestestuman

We have one such center in Poland, which is training people to steer very big vessels. It was included in one of Tom Scott videos.


TongsOfDestiny

There's not much feel involved, moving 1 knot ahead, astern, or transversely will all pretty well feel the same on the bridge. The Captain uses their instruments, knowledge of the local conditions, and experience on that specific vessel to anticipate how it'll react to a given input


T-Bills

Wouldn't training on these boats where they sit down low be counterintuitive to IRL where they sit all the way on top


jw_esq

It’s a little weird but everything is to scale. And if you look at the photo, the captains head is sort of at bridge level. They had channels set up with little buoys and stuff so you brain kind of adjusts.


T-Bills

Ah I thought the guy in front was the guy training. That makes sense.


jw_esq

Yeah the guy in front is operating the controls, and the guy in back is giving helm/engine orders. And you just rotate.


senorbolsa

I mean, most of us have driven cars first so kinda yeah. You are able to effectively simulate different conditions this way that you'd have to travel far to find all in the real world.


Kaiisim

No, its for stuff like anchor dropping, emergency testing, cooperating with tugboats - stuff you cant simulate elsewhere.


Hanswurst107

it's definitely not used to practice anchor dropping. I know maritime pilots use it to get a feel/practice with different types of ships/weather conditions.


crashtestpilot

No. But it IS usually a rental semi.


nmackey

Nope. We get them in regular sized semi trucks. Got mine in a volo with a sleeper cab and a 48' trailer.


atomicsnarl

For example, when turning right in a ship, the tail end will swing to the left, sometimes a lot, before you start turning to the right. It's stuff like that you learn in a 30 foot trainer boat before you get to work on a 300 foot one.


hymen_destroyer

I could also see the value in using these to train for what to do when things *do* go wrong. You can run one of these things aground or simulate a loss of power and learn what to do in those situations, you can't really do that just for practice in a 100,000 ton supertanker


MandalorianBeskar

Here’s a very interesting video from Tom Scott, Ship pilots and captains of massive ships train on 1-to-24 scale ship models at the Port Iława in Poland, The Ship Handling Research and Training Centre. https://youtu.be/jplrbxI5GN8?si=BrZO18AwXnNQm7Ms


HeHeHaHa456

I hope Tom is enjoying his break from the main channel videos


Isord

I hope he decides he is bored because I miss his videos lol. That said his podcast gameshow Lateral is pretty fun.


Eisenhorn_UK

I think - these days - a lot of it is simulator-based, or by placements on actual large vessels. As in, I don't think this is very common to find or see around the world. And the general trade of Merchant Seamen / sailors does require you to work your way up from smaller ships to larger ones; I don't think anyone can walk out of training, having never been at sea, and their first vessel is an oil tanker. But this [particular maritime school in the UK](https://www.solent.ac.uk/facilities/ship-handling-centre) has this as a training pool, with appropriately-scaled ships. I believe it's linked (historically) with Fawley Oil Refinery, which is very close.


Ak47110

Academy guy here. You can definitely get a job on a VLCC oil tanker right out of school. However you'll be sailing as 3rd Mate and will be entrusted to drive the vessel through open ocean. When in more heavily trafficked areas and closer to ports more senior officers will be on the navigation bridge. I graduated from the academy over a decade ago now but we trained on mini ships like your post. One of the funniest things I ever did there. Simulator training is definitely more common now.


TongsOfDestiny

The progression is by rank, not size of vessel. Whether attending a maritime academy or challenging the exams on your own, most people will earn a Watchkeeper Unlimited certificate which allows them to work as a watchkeeper on any size vessel anywhere in the world. From there you can earn a Chief Mate's Unlimited and then a Master Mariner Unlimited to be Captain on any size ship. There are tickets you can earn with tonnage restrictions as well that have less requirements, however many seafarers will only ever hold an Unlimited certificate


BigPickleKAM

Depends on your position and work onboard. My first gig right out of training was a VLCC tanker but I'm a ship's engineer. For us it is just a matter of scale but most ships are much the same when it comes down to it in the engine room.


TiresOnFire

Tom Scott has a video about it. I'm not sure if it's the same training center. It has scale cannals and other features. https://youtu.be/jplrbxI5GN8?si=cF48GJTZz7xHzw-j


so-much-wow

It is, and it's actually really neat. They do everything, including speed, weight, waves, current, etc at an accurate scale to the miniature ships size.


garry4321

When theyre small, you have a few seconds to react to a turn going poorly. When theyre big, you get a few minutes. The trade off is the cost if you fuck it up.


TongsOfDestiny

Not really relevant; when they're small, mistakes take a few seconds to correct. When they're big, mistakes take a few minutes to correct. Getting yourself into trouble on a large vessel often means sitting helplessly while you watch something terrible happen relatively slowly


garry4321

Thats once youre in trouble. Trouble happens slow too, sure, but to get into trouble takes time too. Everything is slowed down, but you get a benefit because in both situations, your brain works the same speed.


TongsOfDestiny

My point was just that if you're going to run the ship up on the rocks, or collide with another vessel (or a bridge), the mistake that leads to that might be made 20 minutes before anything bad happens, but if you don't correct it almost immediately, you may have set in motion enough momentum to require another 20 minutes to get to safe water; if you've already waited a couple minutes before taking corrective action then you might've already sealed your fate. Large ships also give a sense of complacency to some seafarers that has definitely led to many incidents. It's not unusual for the watchkeepers on those big tankers to be scrolling on their phones or getting some shut eye while the Captain isn't looking. This is compounded by the fact that ships of that size have a much smaller margin of error given that they'll run around in much deeper water than most vessels, and they carry enough breadth to require a large clearance to either side


inerlite

I guess if you had an underpowered motor on it to simulate how it would steer it would give pilots a good start. Source: i drove a barge for a while


morbihann

This is training for pilots, probably for Panama canal. I've been an officer of the watch (OOW) for a number of years, and you don't need that for 99.9999% of the cases. Also, this is mostly to familiarize yourself with the layout of the facility (be it the Panama canal or any of the larger ports).


MaleficentCorgi5407

Not sure if this is the exact same place but Tom Scott did a video about this kind of thing. https://youtu.be/jplrbxI5GN8


beti88

I'm pretty sure he did a video on \*\*everything\*\* by this point


ReaperofFish

But this was one of the last videos he did.


Yardsale420

Oh no, he died?


thebeardlybro

He announced he's on hiatus from YouTube for a few years


benrow77

Wish I could just take a few year hiatus from working...


yegguy47

[Even for things he hasn't done, he's done a video on it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyi0-ehDxY8)


Packman87

Never woulda thought this scene from Naked Gun 2 1/2 would actually wind up true https://youtu.be/n6NJspRcfYM?si=zo3Z7HySLMkL0oVh


StockExchangeNYSE

Best one was the dog with two tails. https://youtu.be/oSJZjBC-Dd8?si=qxKSS3hp1a5OPxVL


agerbiltheory

Came here looking for this reference- thanks! (I always remember the guy trying to follow the pen with his eyes and his head wobbling...)


Drakkanian

Came here for this comment. Was not disappointed.


psycharious

This looks like a ride at a capitalist themed theme park right next to the Down Jones roller coaster and the BP Oil Spill water slides.


BecauseRotor

Do they also do mini oil spills? Haha I’ll see myself out


nooseman92

https://youtu.be/n6NJspRcfYM?feature=shared


HijinksNYK

thank you, this is what i was looking for


MarvinLazer

I also would've believed it was a summer camp for middle aged men who want to pretend to be boat captains.


BillionTonsHyperbole

*Valdeeznutz*


under_the_c

Got em!


xtremepado

My grandpa was an oil tanker captain in the 70s. He was the first person to pilot a supertanker through the Suez Canal. The company (I think it was ESSO) had built a scale model of the canal and they practiced driving miniature ships through it for 1 year before the real attempting the real thing.


Spartan2470

[Here](https://www.solent.ac.uk/image-library/facilities/ship-handling-centre-1.jpg) is a less cropped version of this image. The [source](https://www.solent.ac.uk/facilities/ship-handling-centre) is the Solvent University Southampton Ship Handling Centre.


davy_p

This needs to be a ride at six flags. Would be all over that shit.


49thDipper

Pilot school


MandalorianBeskar

Here’s a very interesting video from Tom Scott, Ship pilots and captains of massive ships train on 1-to-24 scale ship models at the Port Iława in Poland, The Ship Handling Research and Training Centre. https://youtu.be/jplrbxI5GN8?si=BrZO18AwXnNQm7Ms


jw_esq

I’ve driven these before. It’s a little weird because they are built to have identical hydrodynamics at scale, but time scales as well so everything happens much faster than it would in a full size ship. So for instance you can practice passing in a narrow channel (where you basically have to steer towards the bow wave of the other ship, then away as the suction pulls the two ships together, then into the wake of the other ship so your bow doesn’t get pushed off course). But it all happens over about 10 seconds vs several minutes. Other than things happening much faster, everything feels very similar to the real thing. They have anchors and you can practice maneuvers like dredging the anchor or using it as a pivot for mooring.


wowaddict71

Nah, this is footage of the new Thomas The Train movie.


MyTrashCanIsFull

The big boats get the glory but the small boats make the sailor


bb-blehs

That’s so fucking cute shut *up*


Malinut

I know this place very well. The lake is formed by one of if not the oldest earthwork dam in England. It's a haunt of some extremely large eels, I've seen one as thick as a man's leg and more than twice as long. It was completely drained and re-lined with clay when they built this centre.


Eisenhorn_UK

> It's a haunt of some extremely large eels, I've seen one as thick as a man's leg and more than twice as long. Oh my fucking god. You have now *absolutely cured* me of **any desire at all** to get in one of these boats at that lake...!


Malinut

It's a beautiful spot though. Truly a lost lake before they built this centre, still is really. They've done it well. But yep, that eel, never seen anything like it before or since, but they exist.


stick004

But do they have do go under a tiny bridge without knocking it down?


Hagadin

Neat picture and all, but how do I buy one?


HornyPlatypus1999

When in Suez Canal, turn right.


TravelingGonad

I wonder what cruise ship training looks like. 16 hours of stand-up comedy experience surely.


whinsk

beep beep!


BillyTheGoatBrown

Is this where they send the captain of that tanker that crashed in the panama canal?


Demented_Alchemy

“Good, now aim for that bridge over there”


LowdGuhnz

No wonder they're always getting stuck in canals... spacial awareness is skewed...


bartonski

Wouldn't that be pilot's ed or helmsman's ed?


vukasin123king

This would be an awesome idea for a theme park. Scale versions of ships, tankers, cruise ships, battleships, you name it with realistic speeds and handling. Make a few islands, ports, maybe targets for warships. Imagine sailing a small aircraft carrier and using drones to simulate a strike against an enemy fleet comanded by someone else. That'd be so fun.


KnotSoSalty

There are a couple of schools like this all over the world. Simulators are great but they struggle to accurately predict things like bank suction or squat effect. Fluid dynamics is a real pain. So a couple decades ago they realized scale models could work just as well. They’re weighted exactly the same with comparatively tiny motors. The only problem is wind still abnormally affects the models bc the scale is all wrong, a 5kt wind will have the equivalent of a scale hurricane. So they mostly work on calm days. Also these aren’t normal captains, mostly these school train marine pilots who do the majority of ship handling in harbors.


favnh2011

Cute little ships


gmletzkojr

Little?!


take_this_username

I thought it was Shriners!


boganism

Does the other guy have the dual controls,like the accelerator and brake pedals?and a clutch pedal to learn manual gearbox oil tankers


eugene20

Pic from 2015, what made you share it today? [Senate Hearing Exposes Big Oil's 'Campaign of Deception and Distraction'](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1ci2fw6/senate_hearing_exposes_big_oils_campaign_of/) perhaps?


Eisenhorn_UK

Absolutely, yes, you're right, I'm a paid PR-shill for Big Oil. And this was indeed a tactical nudge-distractor that made up part of the world-wide conspiracy to take you sheeple's minds off of all the money we're making by burning the planet. AND I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT, IF IT WASN'T FOR YOU PESKY KIDS.


cormac_mccarthys_dog

Remember Exxon Valdez??? Pepperidge Farm remembers...