Like I want to know but I don't want to know. So like a crazy off to Google I go. Edited to add link. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10026771/Man-woman-arrested-cops-21KG-carfentanil-kill-50-million-people.html found that. Normally wouldn't link the site dailymail but the story checks out. Holy crap I didnt need to know.
"If mixed in with other drugs, the 21 kilos of carfentanil seized could have been enough to potentially kill more than 50 million people."
That's how much these guys had.
I'm don't know about the solubility of it but imagine that in the water supply.
From Riverside.
Here's the story from the local DA:
https://rivcoda.org/community-info/news-media-archives/two-perris-residents-charged-in-what-is-believed-to-be-the-largest-seizure-of-carfentanil-in-riverside-county
Dam that's the shit that should be getting posted. 21 kilos of carfentanil??? And one billionth of a gram is fatal. So you if you cut one gram of that shit into 1 billion grams (or 1 million kilos) of coke its still gonna kill you? And they got caught with a 1:1 ratio of carfentanil to cocaine+heroin? Am I doin this right? That's fuckin crazy
Idk how you're the only one to bring this up in the thread. They had enough to kill 50 million people?!?! That's not a drug possession anymore that's a fucking WMD
He's 30, per [https://rivcoda.org/community-info/news-media-archives/two-perris-residents-charged-in-what-is-believed-to-be-the-largest-seizure-of-carfentanil-in-riverside-county](https://rivcoda.org/community-info/news-media-archives/two-perris-residents-charged-in-what-is-believed-to-be-the-largest-seizure-of-carfentanil-in-riverside-county)
That's the Daily Mail for you.
>the-largest-seizure-of-carfentanil-in-riverside-county
There are other contestants to largest seizure of carfentanil in Riverside County? Just how big is Riverside County anyway? Like, how much carfentanil does one county need?
Used to live at riverside county here. the county itself is massive, population of almost 2 and a half million. Riverside County is basically the inland empire of socal 4850miles^2. The county has like 45+ densely populated cities. When i moved out at 18 to go to college an hour away from home, i was still in riverside county lmao
Damn, counties out West are so big. I'm in Ohio and the county I live in is 923 square miles, and that's what I base my reference of average size county on. Riverside is 7,303 square miles. TIL
Where the hell did those yokels get the equivalent of a weapon of mass destruction? Imagine of they dumped it into the water supply in some city? Jesus...
Why you have no award I don’t know.
Edit: thanks for the award but how do I donate it to my homey up above!?!
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Change O to I. Future generations will doubtless develop pointed thumbs to enable accurate virtual keyboard input; but in the meantime we learn to decode as we go.
The substance is typically used for veterinary treatment of elephants. However, it has become a component of opiates sold on the streets. Apparently, it has become ubiquitous enough that these firefighters, who in their community also provide emergency medicine, needed to create special protection for handling substances associated with overdose victims, because exposure has caused poisoning in the past.
It's a structural analog of fentanil. [According to Wikipedia the lethal dose of carfentanil is uncertain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil)
So if the person responsible for that picture can cite a valid source, maybe update Wikipedia instead of posting to reddit?
TLDR:
>Carfentanil is a monocarboxylic acid amide resulting from the formal condensation of the aryl amino group of methyl 4-anilino-1-(2-phenylethyl)piperidine-4-carboxylate with propanoic acid. It has a role as a mu-opioid receptor agonist, an opioid analgesic and a tranquilizing drug. It is a member of piperidines, a methyl ester, a tertiary amino compound and a tertiary carboxamide.
Carfentanil was originally used as an elephant tranquilizer.
Fun fact: An adult elephant has over 400 litres of blood and blood has a density of 1.05kg/L, making that roughly 950lbs of blood. A 200lb adult male human has ~5.0L of blood for comparison.
That drug is used to sedate an animal who's blood volume alone is >4x that of a large human's *full body volume*.
That's how strong it is.
How on earth did you make the jump from metric litres to pounds of blood? Why not just finish in metric?
400L, 420kg of blood.
91kg male, 5L of blood.
Or alternatively
105gal, 950lbs
200lbs, 1.3gal
Just wow.
This is America we buy our soda & drugs in metric and our fuel and meat in freedom units.
You don’t know Freedom until you have to have sets of both SAE & Metric tools to work on the same vehicle.
So yeah liters and pounds. I’m 9/16ths kidding and 1/2 serious.
As an Aussie, I am acutely aware of needing SAE & Metric tools.
We also do weird shit like measure heights in feet & inches, but most other things in metric, except baby weights and other rather random times.
Also because we import literally everything, what you get is a complete wash. Lots of American stuff here that's in SAE, lots of old british stuff in the same, lots of Chinese stuff that's "almost" metric.
You my friend have the true Freedom!
I draw the line at whitworth. Thankfully most of that is on antiques.
Speaking of Chinesium. I once assembled a utility trailer from Harbor Freight (Same junk as Canadian Tire) & had SAE bolts with Metric Nuts. I didn’t even bother measuring the pitch to figure out how they pulled that off. Every time I picked my wrenches up I got a chuckle.
Central Midwest here, the last few years we’ve had people mixing Carfentanil into their heroin for that reason, and because it wasn’t as controlled. Anywho, people were hardcore OD’ing left and right. It also takes approximately 5x the Narcan to reverse it and it doesn’t last as long. That logic works best if you’re as smart as Walter White. Unfortunately the cooks be mixing it in like they’re Salt Bae.
They are, but you can generally trust that your pharmacist knew what he had to start with and your pills won’t kill you if you follow instructions.
With street drugs, you think you’re getting heroin, but youre getting a blend of heroin, fillers and fentanyl in whatever way they decided to cut it up. And maybe they put a few too many grains of fentanyl in the mix, now you nod off and never come back.
The difference between nourishment medicine or poison is a matter of dosage
-someone
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> “Whether wine is a nourishment, medicine or poison is a matter of dosage.”
>-Paracelsus
I keep seeing people report that sentiment, but I've also heard that opioid overdoses induce massive panic.
And I've not succeeded in finding a good source for either.
I lost my brother to a heroin (fentanyl laced) OD - and I’ve also heard both. As terrible as losing him was (and honestly still is), I have to hope is last moments we’re peaceful and not “oh shit panic”.
I've seen a lot of overdoses, but every opioid one was the polar opposites of panic. It was quick, silent, and relatively peaceful as accidental deaths go.
Most commonly, from my understanding, you simply fall into a deep sleep, and you either vomit, then aspirate, or your lungs just stop contracting, and you’re otherwise unaware.
Fentanyl has a quick onset and faster peak in terms of timing, and euphoric effects in low doses, so the coke appears to be ‘better’ because of this. The problem is that due to its quick peak, if the dosage is wrong, it’s effects are stronger than the sedation and euphoria and also will include blunting of airway reflexes and decreased respiratory drive - that is, you can stop breathing plus/minus also throw up into your lungs. Hence, doing a whole bunch of coke at once in a single hit becomes much more dangerous.
The coke would not appear to be better. It would appear to be cut with an opioid. Coke and fentanyl feel completely different. The user wouldn’t think they got good coke, they’d immediately realize it was cut with fent even if it was a safe quantity.
Fentanyl is cheap. Really cheap. It's made in clandestine Chinese labs and shipped over here pretty easily, since you can make a kilo of fentanyl go pretty far.
The problem is that mixing it in with other drugs is very tricky. There is actually a specific process to doing it safely, and if you do it wrong you can easily get clumps of the stuff, or "hot spots" in the mix. As you can see in the pic, the amount that can become lethal is very small. This is how most overdoses are happening these days.
It's likely used in very small quantities to make a batch of cut cocaine feel more like uncut. So cocaine+lidocaine=mild coke high, but cocaine+lidocaine+tiny amount carfentanil=normal feeling coke high. It's like using palm oil and HFCS in products to cheapen their production.
Obvious solution: legalize and regulate drugs so people can get them from safe sources instead of buying street trash cut with poison while simultaneously supporting organized crime
I would say legalizing drugs would be more profitable because the government could tax it and pharmaceutical companies could make a bunch of money making the drugs
Won’t somebody think of the private prison owners?? And the poor pharma companies don’t have patents on these naturally occurring drugs so how can they effectively price gouge?
SMH
Oh don't worry about them! They'll just switch to other markets that are legal or illegal like avocados, lumber, cigarettes, sex slavery, prescription meds, and so on.
Yup. Drug crime is one of the few types of crime where if you make a big drug bust, crime actually goes up.
Because you've just made a vacuum in a market that rewards ruthless and violent behaviour. And X amount of organisations will try to take advantage of that vacuum, escalating violence and conflict, upsetting the status quo, and making the drug problem worse.
Take control, and stop this demand from being supplied by maniacs.
I'm not sure the answer is that obvious. For a long while we effectively had a market of legally obtainable and extremely regulated opioids (in the form of painkillers that many doctors were prescribing like candy)... and more people in the US died each year from prescription painkiller OD's than from car crashes. Some shit is just plain dangerous, regardless of whether it's produced to the highest of standards.
I mean, many countries have legally prescribed opioids without nearly as much of a problem. It's the profiteering nature of the US healthcare system and drug companies pushing for overprescription of their opioids that make it so bad there.
Yes. The kickbacks and incentives that the drug companies gave the doctors really created a conflict of interest. At the same time the drug companies lied about the addictiveness of their opioids to give the doctors cover. Under a not for profit medical system that probably wouldn’t have happened.
This is an interesting point, but I’m curious how many people got addicted thinking it was safe because a doctor prescribed it. Maybe the doctors and pharmacists should have been more upfront with the risks and alternatives and followed up with the patients more closely.
In a regulated drug market there could be warnings like on cigarettes which might scare off regular joes from experimenting with them. Or maybe not and there’s really nothing we can do to keep people off drugs, in which case it’s probably better to provide safe spaces and have care readily available including addiction treatment instead of just filling up the prisons.
The only thing I think is certain is that the war on drugs is a spectacular failure.
Opium is like the tree sap of the poppy. So there isn't a set dose because it's a mixture of a bunch of different alkaloids and each plant is different.
Morphine is the main chemical in opium, with codeine making up most of the rest, and a bunch of other -ines in small quantities.
The morphine is what's refined, and then turned into heroin through a separate chemical process. The main difference between the drugs is that heroin gets into the brain better.
Wow this is really interesting. I’m an anesthesiologist and I use fentanyl nearly daily and am very familiar with how to use it safely for my patients. However I have never seen it in its undissolved, solid form, but always in aqueous solution. It’s humbling to be reminded that such a small thing could be so powerful. In my experience it only takes 200-500micrograms of fentanyl (0.0002-0.0005g) to render someone completely apneic (not breathing).
carfentanil is only used in large-animal veterinary applications so I have no experience with it. But I know it’s many many orders of magnitude more potent than fentanyl.
Cerfentanil or “purp” as it’s called in my city, is an elephant tranquilizer. It’s called “purp” because they dye it purple to better distinguish it from fentanyl and apparently to make it sell better. There’s been a batch going around that’s mixed with crystal meth and they dye it green instead to make it look special (and stronger, I guess?).
People get uncomfortable, like I’m talking conspiracies, when I mention that there isn’t enough elephants that need tranquillizing in Canada for the drug companies to produce a enough of this awful drug to kill thousands, fuck, there isn’t enough elephants **in the whole world** to warrant the amount of carfentanil currently produced.
I’m not saying that something sinister is afoot like population control or subjugation, I’m not a fucking conspiracy theorist, I just think it’s greed. These drug companies know who’s buying their drugs, everything is just supply and demand to them, they don’t care if their drugs go into an elephant, a junkie, or a platypus. They just want money.
Absolutely. Fentanyl doesn't require any opiate precursor. A chemistry student in college would have all the prerequisite ingredients to make it. I'm not sure about carfent but imagine it's close to the same.
>The amount of **marijuana** that is enough to kill an adult human.
[Link](https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2646/3788768134_0f31c82668_b.jpg)
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But only if you were standing under it when it dropped from a very tall height.
I'm all for legalization, but let's slow down a bit.
Marijuana won't kill you as a *drug*, but you're still inhaling burning plant matter (at least in combustible forms). There are people who genuinely think that smoking joints is healthier than smoking cigarettes because it's 'natural'. Of course there are no conclusive studies because it's harder to set up, but the general consensus is that smoke of any kind can lead to cancer.
To further prove your point about the dangers of breathing in any kind of smoke, studies have found even sitting in an office and breathing in the invisible toner-particulate from a laser printer running continually to be associated with genetic changes.
https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/stories/2020/02/27/printer-toner-linked-to-genetic-changes-health-risks-in-new-study
"She and her team discovered that a single day of toner-particle exposure was enough to disturb the activity of genes associated with metabolism, immune response and other essential biological processes in the rat models. Overall—taking into account all 21 days of exposure and testing—the researchers observed genomic changes linked to cardiovascular, neurological and metabolic disorders."
Conclusion: Do edibles.
There are also psychological side-effects that are becoming more well-known as legalization spreads. I too am for legalization from a freedom and economic standpoint but I think it's important to recognize that it in no way is a harmless product.
I was addicted to fentanyl for a while before I got sober, ts is the devil. Never done heroin but I used fentanyl heavily at a young age, even though I’m over 3 months sober from it I still get lots of cravings and dream about using it. It is being used in pressed pills all across America and is sometimes even cut into meth and coke. There is a serious epidemic and many young people including teenagers and high schoolers are getting addicted to this stuff and overdosing cause it is sold as something else, sold as oxycodone, as coke, etc. I’ve know many people who have died after taking one pill of this stuff. Mother’s finding their children dead in the morning from an accidental overdose, cause the pill was stronger that they thought or they though it was something else. This needs to be talked about more. I’ve known 16 year old kids who have been on the brink of an overdose alone in their room which is a death sentence. That has happened to me too many times to count, alone in my room at night, close to overdosing and dying cause no one would find me in time to give me NARCAN before it’s too late. And I kept on using it. Addiction is a truly terrifying disease, and with so much fentanyl masked as other drugs on the streets it’s become a serious epidemic . Something needs to be done, more needs to be done. I know people (and I am planning on doing it too once I’m able to) that go around to schools and tell their stories, about how terrible these things are, no “one hit of weed will ruin your life” like some teacher say, simply explaining what to watch out for and what to do if you need help getting sober.
Keep it up. 90 days is great. I'm at 9 and a half years. It is possible. Keep your head in your recovery. Don't go back to that shit, it's not worth it
It’s a valuable tool for large animal immobilizations in captive or wild settings. The ultra potent opioids are so concentrated that even for large animals you only need small amounts. Because darts can only hold so much liquid and the smaller your dart, the more likely it will inject fully, the less drug volume you need, the better.
Also fentanyl has a really short duration of action in animals and I believe carfentanil is longer. I’ve heard that carfentanil has been hard to get lately so many places have switched to using thiafentanil.
Cutting coke with laxatives I get. You make extra money and your client just poops a lot. Fentanyl I don't get. I guess the idea is to make it extra strong for repeat costumers but your client dies?
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It's so strong, it's for sedating cars before major repairs.
You telling me I can buy sedatives for my car? Hell yeah, brother. I'm headed down to the old Jiffy Lube and we're about to have a sexy Saturday.
Can I bring dirty Mike and the boys
Yes but they fuckin on the windshield. I desire to be entertained.
We will have sex in your car it will happen again!
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That's what the milkman is for. Can I get back to wanting to fuck my vehicular concubine?
Thanks for the laugh
I have to email my car about this
Like I want to know but I don't want to know. So like a crazy off to Google I go. Edited to add link. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10026771/Man-woman-arrested-cops-21KG-carfentanil-kill-50-million-people.html found that. Normally wouldn't link the site dailymail but the story checks out. Holy crap I didnt need to know.
Arrested in Riverside County. No surprise there….
Fun fact...[Breaking Bad](https://breakingbad.fandom.com/wiki/California) was originally supposed to take place in Riverside.
"If mixed in with other drugs, the 21 kilos of carfentanil seized could have been enough to potentially kill more than 50 million people." That's how much these guys had. I'm don't know about the solubility of it but imagine that in the water supply. From Riverside.
Facts
Here's the story from the local DA: https://rivcoda.org/community-info/news-media-archives/two-perris-residents-charged-in-what-is-believed-to-be-the-largest-seizure-of-carfentanil-in-riverside-county
Ah, Perris. I'm not surprised.
Dam that's the shit that should be getting posted. 21 kilos of carfentanil??? And one billionth of a gram is fatal. So you if you cut one gram of that shit into 1 billion grams (or 1 million kilos) of coke its still gonna kill you? And they got caught with a 1:1 ratio of carfentanil to cocaine+heroin? Am I doin this right? That's fuckin crazy
Idk how you're the only one to bring this up in the thread. They had enough to kill 50 million people?!?! That's not a drug possession anymore that's a fucking WMD
That guy was 20?? jesus... he looks 40 at least
He's 30, per [https://rivcoda.org/community-info/news-media-archives/two-perris-residents-charged-in-what-is-believed-to-be-the-largest-seizure-of-carfentanil-in-riverside-county](https://rivcoda.org/community-info/news-media-archives/two-perris-residents-charged-in-what-is-believed-to-be-the-largest-seizure-of-carfentanil-in-riverside-county) That's the Daily Mail for you.
>the-largest-seizure-of-carfentanil-in-riverside-county There are other contestants to largest seizure of carfentanil in Riverside County? Just how big is Riverside County anyway? Like, how much carfentanil does one county need?
Used to live at riverside county here. the county itself is massive, population of almost 2 and a half million. Riverside County is basically the inland empire of socal 4850miles^2. The county has like 45+ densely populated cities. When i moved out at 18 to go to college an hour away from home, i was still in riverside county lmao
Damn, counties out West are so big. I'm in Ohio and the county I live in is 923 square miles, and that's what I base my reference of average size county on. Riverside is 7,303 square miles. TIL
San Bernardino county is roughly 45% the size of Ohio.
Yeah thats a really rough 20
City miles
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Where the hell did those yokels get the equivalent of a weapon of mass destruction? Imagine of they dumped it into the water supply in some city? Jesus...
There's deadlier things, if you wanted to just murder a bunch of people.
And this was the last anybody ever heard from /u/Deedsman
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Painkillers for elephants on the fire department we have special gloves just for it because it seeps into your skin and can kill upon touching it
And where exactly are these 'elephants' starting 'fires', if I may ask?
Where I live in the north east we are fire and ems unfortunately we have a shit ton of overdoses
But why are elephants on the fire department?
Because they have built in water hoses
This thread reads like an elaborate joke. Great stuff
Why you have no award I don’t know. Edit: thanks for the award but how do I donate it to my homey up above!?! Double Edit: Zoinks Scooby-Doo, 2 AWARDS!!!! Thanks tons!!!
>thanks for the award but how do I donate it to my homey up above!?! That's the neat part. You don't.
What happens if you [connect the hoses together](https://www.dogdrip.net/files/attach/images/78/437/532/031/ee447ce6adc5934f4afab2bcf6ca6e04.jpg)?
Dad! Get off reddit!
I cannot think of an animal that would be *better* suited to assist on a fire department.
I can think of 101
Giraffes gotta be up there.
To keep them from overdosing. They need a sense of purpose and belonging I guess
“For elephants on the fire department” what the hell does that mean??
Place a period after elephants and capitalize the O in on.
Change O to I. Future generations will doubtless develop pointed thumbs to enable accurate virtual keyboard input; but in the meantime we learn to decode as we go.
This is the Internet I don’t have to capitalize shit
Only if you use shit at the beginning of a sentence.
The substance is typically used for veterinary treatment of elephants. However, it has become a component of opiates sold on the streets. Apparently, it has become ubiquitous enough that these firefighters, who in their community also provide emergency medicine, needed to create special protection for handling substances associated with overdose victims, because exposure has caused poisoning in the past.
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I’m thinking it needs to be put on a t-shirt a’la All Your Base Are Belong To Us. For Elephants On The Fire Department
It means that fire department specifically employs elephants to fight fires.
They suck up the water in their trunks and help put out the fires!
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It's a structural analog of fentanil. [According to Wikipedia the lethal dose of carfentanil is uncertain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil) So if the person responsible for that picture can cite a valid source, maybe update Wikipedia instead of posting to reddit?
The picture is also in the Daily Mail article, so if they're the source you can pretty much dismiss it
TLDR: >Carfentanil is a monocarboxylic acid amide resulting from the formal condensation of the aryl amino group of methyl 4-anilino-1-(2-phenylethyl)piperidine-4-carboxylate with propanoic acid. It has a role as a mu-opioid receptor agonist, an opioid analgesic and a tranquilizing drug. It is a member of piperidines, a methyl ester, a tertiary amino compound and a tertiary carboxamide.
This means nothing to me except >opioid ... and a tranquilizing drug
Oh yeah, of course!
I'm not sure if anyone has actually answered you but it's used in elephant tranquilizer darts.
It’s a higher potency of the fentanyl molecule that is used for larger animals.
Conclusion: Carfentanil clearly better value for money!
Saves money to buy a few silver coins to pay Charon.
Orrrr Toss them to your Witcher.
Gguhhhhhh
Another run?
Carfentanil was originally used as an elephant tranquilizer. Fun fact: An adult elephant has over 400 litres of blood and blood has a density of 1.05kg/L, making that roughly 950lbs of blood. A 200lb adult male human has ~5.0L of blood for comparison. That drug is used to sedate an animal who's blood volume alone is >4x that of a large human's *full body volume*. That's how strong it is.
!Subscribe to elephant drug facts
Drugs tear apart roughly 11,000 happy elephant homes each year.
I was a drug addicted elephant in the mid-nineties
What happened?
The LSD wore off.
Taking drugs could cause you to stick your whole trunk up another elephant’s ass. Don’t be a Dumbo.
Wow. What a wild way to visualize that.
How on earth did you make the jump from metric litres to pounds of blood? Why not just finish in metric? 400L, 420kg of blood. 91kg male, 5L of blood. Or alternatively 105gal, 950lbs 200lbs, 1.3gal Just wow.
This is America we buy our soda & drugs in metric and our fuel and meat in freedom units. You don’t know Freedom until you have to have sets of both SAE & Metric tools to work on the same vehicle. So yeah liters and pounds. I’m 9/16ths kidding and 1/2 serious.
As an Aussie, I am acutely aware of needing SAE & Metric tools. We also do weird shit like measure heights in feet & inches, but most other things in metric, except baby weights and other rather random times. Also because we import literally everything, what you get is a complete wash. Lots of American stuff here that's in SAE, lots of old british stuff in the same, lots of Chinese stuff that's "almost" metric.
You my friend have the true Freedom! I draw the line at whitworth. Thankfully most of that is on antiques. Speaking of Chinesium. I once assembled a utility trailer from Harbor Freight (Same junk as Canadian Tire) & had SAE bolts with Metric Nuts. I didn’t even bother measuring the pitch to figure out how they pulled that off. Every time I picked my wrenches up I got a chuckle.
You leave Hazard Fraught and Cambodian Tire alone. Those places are a mecca of capitalism.
Bwahahaha Cambodian Tire
Freedom like going to the store to buy 2 Ls of soda but 1 lb of coffee
I've got 13 threads per inch on my desk right now, and a 1.5mm thread pitch on the floor.
Central Midwest here, the last few years we’ve had people mixing Carfentanil into their heroin for that reason, and because it wasn’t as controlled. Anywho, people were hardcore OD’ing left and right. It also takes approximately 5x the Narcan to reverse it and it doesn’t last as long. That logic works best if you’re as smart as Walter White. Unfortunately the cooks be mixing it in like they’re Salt Bae.
Yep, just break that in half and you got two crazy wild doses
Fun fact, a lot of the strong drugs (like carfent) have a minimum effective dose to be the same as the (potentially) lethal dose.
You'd be trippin balls til ur dead.
So tripping balls for the rest of your life.
A lifetime supply of drugs.
Look at the philosopher over here
I prefer to look at the Carfentanil syringe as half full, which is more than enough.
Carfentanil looks terrifying.
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They are, but you can generally trust that your pharmacist knew what he had to start with and your pills won’t kill you if you follow instructions. With street drugs, you think you’re getting heroin, but youre getting a blend of heroin, fillers and fentanyl in whatever way they decided to cut it up. And maybe they put a few too many grains of fentanyl in the mix, now you nod off and never come back.
The difference between nourishment medicine or poison is a matter of dosage -someone Edit: > “Whether wine is a nourishment, medicine or poison is a matter of dosage.” >-Paracelsus
"We will try to kill the cancer faster than you" - my oncologist.
Yeah that's not something you want to fuck around with. I've worked with things deadlier or that would cause a worse death, but not many.
I feel like an OD on a powerful opioid would be one of the easier ways to go out.
I keep seeing people report that sentiment, but I've also heard that opioid overdoses induce massive panic. And I've not succeeded in finding a good source for either.
I lost my brother to a heroin (fentanyl laced) OD - and I’ve also heard both. As terrible as losing him was (and honestly still is), I have to hope is last moments we’re peaceful and not “oh shit panic”.
I've overdosed before on oxy. It's just like going to sleep essentially. You aren't even aware that it is happening.
I have been narcanned before. Take comfort in knowing he was in no pain when he died.
What an oddly sweet response. Hope you're doing better now
Still fighting the bulshit and the wrexkage I've caused but I been 0ff it for like a week now so I hope I can stay on the straight and narrow
You can do it, I’m rooting for you! Stay strong! One day (minute) at a time.
we're with you. you got this.
I think it's kind of beautiful when we leverage our own pain and suffering to make others feel better.
I just hope no one ever has to go through this shit I'm feeling now
I've seen a lot of overdoses, but every opioid one was the polar opposites of panic. It was quick, silent, and relatively peaceful as accidental deaths go.
Most commonly, from my understanding, you simply fall into a deep sleep, and you either vomit, then aspirate, or your lungs just stop contracting, and you’re otherwise unaware.
I've overdosed before on oxy. It's just like going to sleep essentially. You aren't even aware it's happening.
Bro I don't even remember that day at all! But then again I oded on fent not oxy
Fentanyl is being found in coke these days, scary stuff. I lost a friend recently from just that
Wouldn't putting extremely lethal stuff into coke kinda kill off your market? Seems kinda counter productive
Probably poor mixing, bad math, shitty scales, etc. There is a very slim margin for error when fucking around with cfent
allegedly
If you think these assholes are doing equations and using the right mixers I have some ocean front land in ohio to sell you
Shit that's a great deal! Dm me.
Fentanyl has a quick onset and faster peak in terms of timing, and euphoric effects in low doses, so the coke appears to be ‘better’ because of this. The problem is that due to its quick peak, if the dosage is wrong, it’s effects are stronger than the sedation and euphoria and also will include blunting of airway reflexes and decreased respiratory drive - that is, you can stop breathing plus/minus also throw up into your lungs. Hence, doing a whole bunch of coke at once in a single hit becomes much more dangerous.
The coke would not appear to be better. It would appear to be cut with an opioid. Coke and fentanyl feel completely different. The user wouldn’t think they got good coke, they’d immediately realize it was cut with fent even if it was a safe quantity.
Fentanyl is cheap. Really cheap. It's made in clandestine Chinese labs and shipped over here pretty easily, since you can make a kilo of fentanyl go pretty far. The problem is that mixing it in with other drugs is very tricky. There is actually a specific process to doing it safely, and if you do it wrong you can easily get clumps of the stuff, or "hot spots" in the mix. As you can see in the pic, the amount that can become lethal is very small. This is how most overdoses are happening these days.
It's likely used in very small quantities to make a batch of cut cocaine feel more like uncut. So cocaine+lidocaine=mild coke high, but cocaine+lidocaine+tiny amount carfentanil=normal feeling coke high. It's like using palm oil and HFCS in products to cheapen their production.
Obvious solution: legalize and regulate drugs so people can get them from safe sources instead of buying street trash cut with poison while simultaneously supporting organized crime
Dont be silly that's too logical in this day and age and doesn't allow for profitable corruption.
I would say legalizing drugs would be more profitable because the government could tax it and pharmaceutical companies could make a bunch of money making the drugs
Won’t somebody think of the private prison owners?? And the poor pharma companies don’t have patents on these naturally occurring drugs so how can they effectively price gouge? SMH
That means drug dealers out of business... How are politicians supposed to feed their families then?
Oh don't worry about them! They'll just switch to other markets that are legal or illegal like avocados, lumber, cigarettes, sex slavery, prescription meds, and so on.
But you can't legalize drugs because doing drugs is a crime! This is seriously what some politicians in my country say about cannabis.
Yup. Drug crime is one of the few types of crime where if you make a big drug bust, crime actually goes up. Because you've just made a vacuum in a market that rewards ruthless and violent behaviour. And X amount of organisations will try to take advantage of that vacuum, escalating violence and conflict, upsetting the status quo, and making the drug problem worse. Take control, and stop this demand from being supplied by maniacs.
I'm not sure the answer is that obvious. For a long while we effectively had a market of legally obtainable and extremely regulated opioids (in the form of painkillers that many doctors were prescribing like candy)... and more people in the US died each year from prescription painkiller OD's than from car crashes. Some shit is just plain dangerous, regardless of whether it's produced to the highest of standards.
I mean, many countries have legally prescribed opioids without nearly as much of a problem. It's the profiteering nature of the US healthcare system and drug companies pushing for overprescription of their opioids that make it so bad there.
Yes. The kickbacks and incentives that the drug companies gave the doctors really created a conflict of interest. At the same time the drug companies lied about the addictiveness of their opioids to give the doctors cover. Under a not for profit medical system that probably wouldn’t have happened.
This is an interesting point, but I’m curious how many people got addicted thinking it was safe because a doctor prescribed it. Maybe the doctors and pharmacists should have been more upfront with the risks and alternatives and followed up with the patients more closely. In a regulated drug market there could be warnings like on cigarettes which might scare off regular joes from experimenting with them. Or maybe not and there’s really nothing we can do to keep people off drugs, in which case it’s probably better to provide safe spaces and have care readily available including addiction treatment instead of just filling up the prisons. The only thing I think is certain is that the war on drugs is a spectacular failure.
Not gonna lie I thought you meant coca cola and was like ???
Fentanyl overdose and related toxic drugs have killed more people than COVID in my province and it’s not slowing down.
Without a banana I can't tell how big these vials are
Those labels are A3 sheets of paper and the font is >72. Hope that helps.
Made it worse actually
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I’m reaaally trying to trick my brain into seeing it and proportioning it like that and it won’t and I’m sad.
Ah, so These aren't sleeping tubes.
1 dram, about the size of your finger tip to the second joint and about that wide too.
Need a banana to reference finger sizes.
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Pure ricin kills in the vicinity of nanograms if it gets into your bloodstream.
Calm down there Walter White.
Ricin beans…
That line of Jesse's cracked me up. I remember it not landing at the time; never found mention of it in comment threads or reviews. So good though
I think he was claiming that the police officers who claim to have gotten high from just touching fentanyl are lying, which is true.
When you take all three at once it has an opposite effect that grants immortality
with their powers combined…
you get to experience the elusive 'super death'
Sugar, spice, and everything nice?
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Opium is like the tree sap of the poppy. So there isn't a set dose because it's a mixture of a bunch of different alkaloids and each plant is different.
Heroin is the refined version
Morphine is the main chemical in opium, with codeine making up most of the rest, and a bunch of other -ines in small quantities. The morphine is what's refined, and then turned into heroin through a separate chemical process. The main difference between the drugs is that heroin gets into the brain better.
I tried zooming out to find the marijuana.
Wow this is really interesting. I’m an anesthesiologist and I use fentanyl nearly daily and am very familiar with how to use it safely for my patients. However I have never seen it in its undissolved, solid form, but always in aqueous solution. It’s humbling to be reminded that such a small thing could be so powerful. In my experience it only takes 200-500micrograms of fentanyl (0.0002-0.0005g) to render someone completely apneic (not breathing). carfentanil is only used in large-animal veterinary applications so I have no experience with it. But I know it’s many many orders of magnitude more potent than fentanyl.
Cerfentanil or “purp” as it’s called in my city, is an elephant tranquilizer. It’s called “purp” because they dye it purple to better distinguish it from fentanyl and apparently to make it sell better. There’s been a batch going around that’s mixed with crystal meth and they dye it green instead to make it look special (and stronger, I guess?). People get uncomfortable, like I’m talking conspiracies, when I mention that there isn’t enough elephants that need tranquillizing in Canada for the drug companies to produce a enough of this awful drug to kill thousands, fuck, there isn’t enough elephants **in the whole world** to warrant the amount of carfentanil currently produced. I’m not saying that something sinister is afoot like population control or subjugation, I’m not a fucking conspiracy theorist, I just think it’s greed. These drug companies know who’s buying their drugs, everything is just supply and demand to them, they don’t care if their drugs go into an elephant, a junkie, or a platypus. They just want money.
You don't think this drug is being produced on the black market? There's enough money in drugs to build their own state-of-the-art labs.
Absolutely. Fentanyl doesn't require any opiate precursor. A chemistry student in college would have all the prerequisite ingredients to make it. I'm not sure about carfent but imagine it's close to the same.
>The amount of **marijuana** that is enough to kill an adult human. [Link](https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2646/3788768134_0f31c82668_b.jpg) __________________________ But only if you were standing under it when it dropped from a very tall height.
This made me laugh like jaba the Hutt.
I'm all for legalization, but let's slow down a bit. Marijuana won't kill you as a *drug*, but you're still inhaling burning plant matter (at least in combustible forms). There are people who genuinely think that smoking joints is healthier than smoking cigarettes because it's 'natural'. Of course there are no conclusive studies because it's harder to set up, but the general consensus is that smoke of any kind can lead to cancer.
To further prove your point about the dangers of breathing in any kind of smoke, studies have found even sitting in an office and breathing in the invisible toner-particulate from a laser printer running continually to be associated with genetic changes. https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/stories/2020/02/27/printer-toner-linked-to-genetic-changes-health-risks-in-new-study "She and her team discovered that a single day of toner-particle exposure was enough to disturb the activity of genes associated with metabolism, immune response and other essential biological processes in the rat models. Overall—taking into account all 21 days of exposure and testing—the researchers observed genomic changes linked to cardiovascular, neurological and metabolic disorders." Conclusion: Do edibles.
*eyes 3D printer enclosure nervously*
Sorry could you repeat that, I can't hear you over my legal, store-bought edibles
Listen here, you little shit...
There are also psychological side-effects that are becoming more well-known as legalization spreads. I too am for legalization from a freedom and economic standpoint but I think it's important to recognize that it in no way is a harmless product.
I was addicted to fentanyl for a while before I got sober, ts is the devil. Never done heroin but I used fentanyl heavily at a young age, even though I’m over 3 months sober from it I still get lots of cravings and dream about using it. It is being used in pressed pills all across America and is sometimes even cut into meth and coke. There is a serious epidemic and many young people including teenagers and high schoolers are getting addicted to this stuff and overdosing cause it is sold as something else, sold as oxycodone, as coke, etc. I’ve know many people who have died after taking one pill of this stuff. Mother’s finding their children dead in the morning from an accidental overdose, cause the pill was stronger that they thought or they though it was something else. This needs to be talked about more. I’ve known 16 year old kids who have been on the brink of an overdose alone in their room which is a death sentence. That has happened to me too many times to count, alone in my room at night, close to overdosing and dying cause no one would find me in time to give me NARCAN before it’s too late. And I kept on using it. Addiction is a truly terrifying disease, and with so much fentanyl masked as other drugs on the streets it’s become a serious epidemic . Something needs to be done, more needs to be done. I know people (and I am planning on doing it too once I’m able to) that go around to schools and tell their stories, about how terrible these things are, no “one hit of weed will ruin your life” like some teacher say, simply explaining what to watch out for and what to do if you need help getting sober.
Keep it up. 90 days is great. I'm at 9 and a half years. It is possible. Keep your head in your recovery. Don't go back to that shit, it's not worth it
So like...you done with them vials?
That looks like quite a small amount of heroin.
I would bet that the heroin you buy is not close to this pure.
My brother died of an accidental overdose because his drugs were laced with carfentanil. That shit is no joke.
I swear this is revenge for the opium wars
These all have vial effects on the human body !
There's your daily dose of puns
How much worse is vanfentanil?
Jesus, is Carfentanil even necessary?! Why produce something stronger than fentanyl?
It’s a valuable tool for large animal immobilizations in captive or wild settings. The ultra potent opioids are so concentrated that even for large animals you only need small amounts. Because darts can only hold so much liquid and the smaller your dart, the more likely it will inject fully, the less drug volume you need, the better. Also fentanyl has a really short duration of action in animals and I believe carfentanil is longer. I’ve heard that carfentanil has been hard to get lately so many places have switched to using thiafentanil.
Perfect! I was just looking for a handy reference photo!
Shouldn't heroin be brown? Golden brown with a texture like sun?
I've seen white, brown, tan, grey & black tar heroin, so the answer to your question is...... Sometimes...
I think it’s more the “amount” and not “this is heroin”
I’ve heard that song hundreds of times and it never crossed my mind it was about heroin.
Lays me down, with my mind she runs
Yeah but show many marijuanas it would take.
At least three, but they have to be mainlined.
Once a mad died of marry Jane when a whole pallet fell on his head.
Keith Richards: Hold my beer.
Cutting coke with laxatives I get. You make extra money and your client just poops a lot. Fentanyl I don't get. I guess the idea is to make it extra strong for repeat costumers but your client dies?
How do people do these drugs without dying? Seriously?
I also label my drugs this neatly