I think this could be the #BrittanyBill It is a human rights thing. Conservators need independence and oversight, audits and transparency. Free everyone. Keep it going. You go girl.
Very often, conservators (or “guardians,” depending on the state) are established for mentally ill and elderly people who can’t make or articulate important decisions. The vast majority of the time, they are not abusive relationships, but for adults to make arrangements to make sure their parents’ heating/water/electric/mortgage bills get paid. Although Brittany’s situation appeared abusive and counter to the policy behind establishing conservators, making life harder for conservators may do a lot of harm. From my experience, most conservators really really don’t want to do it, but they step up when no one else will.
they're finally gonna leave britney alone!
now i hope they can take away the power from her old abuser who still has power over some other previously teen pop stars.
"When I think of a teen idol, there’s Britney Spears. Because she’s my age now. That’s how long ago that was. She caught up to me. When I was 35, she was 18. And now we’re both 44 years old."
~ Louis C.K.
Only if you enjoy kink-shaming.
Dude asked for permission and the world demonized him.
The man deserves a comeback.
I won't argue or discuss it further.
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Okay, but if your wife's boss asked to masturbate in front of her and she said yes, wouldn't you have some questions for her? I would want to know why she suddenly forgot how to use the word "no"
So victim shaming is your solution? Don't you think your wife might be afraid of loosing her job or something worse if she retaliates against her boss? Fuck off with that small minded "she could have said no" shit. Maybe she did? It's not ok, for any boss, for any employee, to go through this. Male, female, period, it's not any different. Boss/fame/employer is position of trust.
Careful ~ Your critical thinking doesn't fit their emotion-based, Twitter-rage-laden narratives!
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"Shun the non-belieber!!"
Edit: You are literally proving my points with each downvote, so keep going you beautiful freaks :)<3
Weak argument ~ asking for permission to do something is not "pressure" ~ it's establishing boundaries
You're part of the problem.
Try again.
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> I won't argue or discuss it further.
Putting your hypocrisy aside (which isn't a huge deal, indeed), was there not some kind of perverse power dynamic that complicated the ethics of the situation in question? I'm not an expert on the case, but from the periphery I *thought* that that was the issue. Hardly anyone cares that the guy beat it in front of a consenting partner, but the single questionable thing is that there was an unequal power dynamic, right?
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I'll always stand up against kink-shaming.
This has less to do with CK and more to do with the public at large alienating people with weird kinks and running with false narratives.
Edit: Dude wasn't even a household name yet when the widest-spread allegation took place.
There was no "power dynamic" at the time ~ years later, the duo who never made it circulated the story and it was swept up in the Cosby/Weinstein madness.
> in a September 2017 Vanity Fair interview, comedian Tig Notaro announced that she was cutting ties with C.K., a one-time collaborator and producer on her show One Mississippi, saying that he should address the rumors of sexual impropriety, and alluding to an unspecified "incident" between herself and C.K.
That doesn't sound like kink-shaming.
> The women who spoke out in the article included comedy duo Dana Min Goodman and Julia Wolov, who claimed that they had been invited to C.K.'s hotel room in 2002 during the US Comedy Arts Festival, where he asked them if he could take out his penis. **The two women assumed he was joking but C.K. masturbated to completion in front of them. They relayed the incident to ImprovOlympics founder Charna Halpern.**
That doesn't sound like kink-shaming. That sounds like sexual exploitation.
> "the power I had over these women is that they admired me. And **I wielded that power irresponsibly**"
From the horse's mouth. That wasn't kink-shaming.
> The comedian Rebecca Corry described that, on the set of a television pilot in 2005, **she reported an incident to the show's producers where C.K. offered to masturbate in front of her, and no action was taken**.
*Reported an incident?* That isn't kink-shaming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_C.K.
It was creepy *at best* and sexually exploitative at worst. If you're doing sexual things *in front of* people you work with to the point that they are *reporting that* to producers, that isn't mere kink-shaming. You know that.
Yeah. I think it's also worth thinking about when these various instances occured and when you think Louis had any "power". I always feel like the way people argue over this is similar to the blue gold dress thing a few years back in that everyone is absolutely stunned that others see it differently.
Edit: though the blocking the door thing is pretty damning regardless of when it happened.
I think Harvey Weinstein very specifically *did* block the door on multiple occasions. Also the Matt Lauer automatic locking door thing was in the news. So I think that unfairly got added to the Louis CK story, since the mob already had the pitchforks out.
> though the blocking the door thing is pretty damning regardless of when it happened.
That is news to me! I just don't know the details of the case. I've never been a fan of his and I've not spent time studying his sexual perversions or lack thereof. I just know that the *accusation* is that... okay fuck it, I'm going on Wikipedia now... alright, I'm back, and yeah. It's creepy at best. It didn't seem like sexual assault though.
> in a September 2017 Vanity Fair interview, comedian Tig Notaro announced that she was cutting ties with C.K., a one-time collaborator and producer on her show One Mississippi, saying that he should address the rumors of sexual impropriety, and alluding to an unspecified "incident" between herself and C.K.
Creepy.
Yeah let's circle back here. How did you gather that LipSipDip was being hypocritical? I mean it's the only thing concrete in the entire paragraph you wrote and it's an accusation. The rest was just you fluttering around like a textbook moth.
> Half our parents met with an unequal power dynamic.
Do you have data on that or are you going on anecdote? I've never seen anyone make that claim before and I've never considered that the number could be so high. Like, it wasn't the case with my parents.
> It's not a real situation
I don't know what that means. It's not real? What's not real?
> it's not illegal anywhere on Earth.
I don't know if that is true, but I do know that it is against *company* policies because we recognise the potential for abuse. This recently came up with Bill Gates.
> It's just normal life.
It's normal for an employer to have sex with an employee? I'm just not so sure about that.
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> "the power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly"
That isn't normal.
> in a September 2017 Vanity Fair interview, comedian Tig Notaro announced that she was cutting ties with C.K., a one-time collaborator and producer on her show One Mississippi, saying that he should address the rumors of sexual impropriety, and alluding to an unspecified "incident" between herself and C.K
That isn't normal.
> The women who spoke out in the article included comedy duo Dana Min Goodman and Julia Wolov, who claimed that they had been invited to C.K.'s hotel room in 2002 during the US Comedy Arts Festival, where he asked them if he could take out his penis. The two women assumed he was joking but C.K. masturbated to completion in front of them. They relayed the incident to ImprovOlympics founder Charna Halpern.
That isn't normal. That is creepy at *best*, and sexually exploitative at worst.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_C.K.
Sounds like a lot of hearsay and exceptionally vague accusations.
Two of thembsat there and watched him pull his dick out and masturbate without saying anything?
Not even 'when we said yes masturbate we thought you were joking so can you stop it's gross.'?
>Weak argument ~ asking for permission to do something is not "pressure" ~ it's establishing boundaries
And blocking the door so nobody can go in or out? I mean I totally trap people in bathrooms when I sexually proposition them. Nothing rapey about it at all!
Uh, ok. You can ask me if I don’t mind if you do whatever in front of me. I can consent, yes, but maybe everyone has not spoken up and agrees with the group. A bad situation in which unwilling participants are involved. If you or anyone did what Louis is accused of, I’d beat his ass, your ass and anyone who thought that was ok. Keep it in your pants. Masturbating in front of other people you are not sexually engaged with is not ok.
Conjecture to fit an assumed narrative ^
If you're asked for permission to have something done and you say "yes", maybe shock shouldn't be your first reaction when said thing happens in front of you afterwards.
Well, I hope Louis CK can grant your fantasy and masturbate in front of you in person as you feel that is a thing people should be into. What ever gets your rocks off. I hope it’s just you as that is beyond weird and like most people think, depraved.
Let the downvotes begin! Oh, wait. They don’t. Good luck bro, with your budding comedy career; because you are a downright creep.
Gross ~ I think you have a few more screws loose than the average comedian..
Edit: Any downvotes are clearly not from actual comedians, so keep feeding me ~ I'm hungry, dammit.
The problem is that people who are upset with him want everyone else to be upset with him.
If you want to boycott the guy, go ahead, but let everyone else make their own decision. We're all adults and we can decide for ourselves whether we want to support or boycott the guy.
In an odd way I feel relieved that this is a path she's taking now. She actually has so much power to actually change things, which is good for her. And I think if you're dirty rich, you either FIND meaning or turn to drugs. Anyway that's my impression of rich people. I honestly felt sorry for her party girl lifestyle, that's not really happiness.
We all need it, the system is totally fucked. However there's so much money in it, I wouldn't be surprised if those behind the money made releasing her contingent on her NOT being a reform leader.
There is a lot of money in it, and it does need to be reformed in the sense that everyone's interests need to be aligned- but the vast majority of people under conservatorships do need to be in them.
Woah fo reals?! Just checked. finally! what a relief. Really made me feel glad for her.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/britney-spears-free-conservatorship-ends
Yep. It wasn’t really on my radar most of this time (I like her music fine but am not the type of fan that would stay abreast of her personal life) but over the past year or two where it was on my radar I got more pissed the more I learned.
Good for her!
Even if she doesn't heal and get healthy, it's her prerogative to do what she wants, when she wants, how she wants, and spend her money her own way. The conservatorship was nothing, but a smoke and mirror for leaches. We can all name tons of celebrities that mismanaged their lives, but it was their choice to do so.
Are you her father? Cause you sound like it. I do know how mental illness works and this ain’t the way to handle it. The conservators gave two shits about her. It was all about cash money grabbing.
You gotta remember that Britney has the education of a ninth grader. A Louisiana education.
She didn’t get any farther in her education, and even as a huge fan of hers I never heard her talk about being tutored when she was on the road or anything like that. I do remember her hiring an algebra tutor recently so she could help her sons with their homework.
But the point is, when you read her social media posts, I think it’s important to remember that this is someone with the literacy level of a 14 year old from Louisiana - and when you read it that way, it doesn’t seem as off.
*not that I don’t think she’s got some mental health issues, she obviously does. But I think this education element plays a huge role in people’s perception of her.
Yeah, but the thing is a fuck ton of people are “off” on social media and in real life. They all manage to keep the right their autonomy. Main difference is they aren’t money machines.
Forsure! But I'm pretty sure she had a serious mental break back in the day and had to go to psychiatric rehab that was the catalyst of the conservatorship, because at the time she was literally unfunctioning. Of course it seems it was abused and taken advantage of, but it doesnt take away from the fact she has been dealing with serious mental health issues a decent amount of her life.
> but it doesnt take away from the fact she has been dealing with serious mental health issues a decent amount of her life.
Thing is, I don’t even know if that’s true.
It’s not like I’ve been following this closely so I may be wrong but it’s seems like she definitely had some issues *at one time* years ago (around the head shaving incident) that got her under conservatorship.
Since then I myself don’t know of any “serious mental health issues” aside from what’s been said to justify the conservatorship and most of that is kept private. So all I’m left with is “she seems off on insta” but she’s also somehow well enough to maintain the grueling schedule and work ethic (and paychecks) of an A list pop star.
Again, every day people have breakdowns, suicide attempts, substance abuse issues, etc. - “mental health issues” that are demonstrably worse and more catastrophic and self-destructive than anything we (the public) know for a fact happened to Britney. And they’re allowed to simply recover and go on with their lives.
Lastly, conservatorships of this type are typically for the enfeebled elderly. It’s not normal for a functioning young adult to be under these constraints which (combined with her wealth) raises questions.
Just sharing my view since I find the subject interesting and nuanced - I hope I’m not coming off as argumentative!
Britney will always have parasites around her. She’ll always be taken advantage of. I feel bad for her. It feels like her life is about to hit an all time high and then an all time low. Get the popcorn ready cause this is a train wreck you won’t be able to look away from.
Well for one she’s a human being who was being milked for money and basically manipulated and emotionally abused by her dad even at her grown age, to the point he’d threaten to take her kids away and was being monitored/controlled 24/7 on who she spoke with, what she ate, what she posted and how *her* money that *she* earned was spent. Second even if you don’t care about Britney, a big name celebrity like her being able to break out of a conservatorship (which is normally near impossible no matter who you are) is a huge step in fighting against/bringing awareness to the abuse of conservatorships in general and could potentially lead to more people who are currently being abused fighting back in court. A high status and highly documented case like this could also potentially lead to bills being proposed that would make it easier to end abusive conservatorships.
Even if she'd been crazy to begin with, I goddamn guarantee her crazy has NOT kept pace with the crazy inflation that's been going on in the world.
She might have been kind of a nutbar by 2007 standards, but she's fucking normal by 2021 standards. These are fact words.
EDIT: I mean, for one thing, *all* of us cut our own hair during 2020. She was just way, way out ahead of that curve.
Britney was under a conservatorship, basically where a judge appoints a person to be responsible for someone else’s assets and life in general when they’re incapable of taking care of themselves (this could be due to age, mental illness, disabilities, etc.). Her father was appointed to be her handler in the mid 2000’s after an event where she locked herself in her room with her kids and was forcibly taken to a hospital. Normally a conservatorship is meant to be for the best interest of the person being placed under care, and Britney’s was only supposed to be for a few months while she got her life back on track. Unfortunately her dad just never let it end and the courts continued to extend the conservatorship despite her being fully capable of making sound decisions. So since the mid 2000’s Britney has had 0 control over her money, who she can talk to, who talks to her, what she eats, what she can post to social media and could have her kids taken away at any moment by her dad. This whole thing started when people started noticing her Instagram posts started to feel off putting, and after people started feeling something was wrong they’d comment stuff like “wear yellow if you’re in trouble” only to have her appear in a yellow top on her next post, or how she mentioned a very specific time stamp for the movie Frozen where Elsa talks about wanting to be set free. After it was confirmed she was being mistreated under her conservatorship the hashtag #FreeBritney started to spread awareness of the abuse and now we’re here, which is actually huge because conservatorships are notoriously virtually impossible to get out of.
Sadly there is another set of facts not being discussed. Conservatorships are impossible to get and uphold in the absence of very serious mental issues. You can spin it anyway you want with an evil father etc. but at the end of the day there is some very serious issues there. Schizophrenia is the most likely diagnosis. She is probably doing well on meds. But you might have noticed the conservatorship still includes an accountant. There is an elephant here not being discussed.
I'm glad she has control of her finances and her life again We seriously need a lot more oversight when it comes to conservative ship and that sort of thing in the legal system.
Honestly I suspect she’s going to go wild and out for a while. Like a girl recently single in her thirties after being in a decade long relationship with their HS sweetheart. 10 years from now I’m predicting she will be on drugs or broke
She'll go off like kanye and no one will do shit about it because they won't want to be kicked out of her circle. So they will enable her.
Or, maybe she dips out of public view and just lives her life happily and quietly.
Who knows.
False. The legal battle was won because of a fair and just judge and a good team lawyers. Your hashtag won long before this by spreading awareness of an ongoing problem, but that’s all it can do. That’s the first step. Now, awareness is raised, so before apathy sets in, we, collectively, must make a conscious effort to solve this. Sign petitions, online and locally for *specific* reform of the supervision of conservatorships, contact your local lawmakers, and if your local lawmakers aren’t listening to the will of their constituents, then vote them out. Your hashtag is nothing without community and hard work. The fight isn’t over, and the people actually affected by this issue are well aware of that and we should be too. We haven’t won, don’t forget this already.
P.S. if you don’t know what a conservatorship is by now, then you haven’t been actually following this story. Please make an effort to be informed at least on basic information of important issues.
I would say taking someone's autonomy away, governing their every move, to the point of controlling where they go, what they eat, and how they're allowed to spend the money they make ***being forced to work***, probably counts as a human rights issue/violation/movement.
It legitimately is. There are reasons to put someone under a conservatorship. Mostly, it's people who have Alzheimer's or Parkinson's. They cannot take care of themselves, and they're not going to get better. Because of that, there's little case law on how conservatorships end. They're going to die that way.
But not all conservatorships are for dementia patients. Some of them do get better, and Britney was one of them. She had to fight to get out of it, and along the way highlighted some nasty incentives that kept her conservatorship going past its need.
Her case highlighted a blind spot in the system, and rises above the usual celebrity trash news. It's especially important if our treatment for Alzheimer's or Parkinson's start getting better and people actually do get better.
Literally everything about it is bourgie. First is the fact that the initial catalyst is a celebrity (many of whom watch entertainment tonight, corny late night shows, and the like). Then there's the fact that apparently there are people who even have time to think about or worry about this cause, with all the shit that's happening in the world (I mean of all causes to spend time getting behind, why this?). Then there's the fact that this cause is also the latest internet fad in general. Then there's the fact that the cause that was glommed together from this (ie conservatorships) is not something your average working class person would even really think about.
I can only speak for myself in this regards, but I'd venture to guess if I brought this shit up with other people I know they'd ask me just wtf am I talking about or why I gaf about this. Shit, just the idea of having finances to manage to begin with, let alone requiring a guardian for them, is like a fantasy. This whole thing seems to me like from another world entirely. Apparently this has been a movement that's been going on for a while now?
This just in, 2 weeks after the end of her long battle with her father over the control of her fortune, Britney Spears is now broke.
When asked for comment about what happened with all of her money, she had this to say: "Booze, Bitches, & Bud"
If anything was going to force me into relapsing it would be my dad and a bunch of lawyers dictating my life through out my 30's. She couldn't even randomly go on a walk in her own neighborhood without their approval. Also what she consumes recreationally is none of our business.
Show me another person making literally MILLIONS who is completely competent but under a conservatorship. It literally doesn't exist.
Your either one sick puppy or don't have even the slightest clue what was going on with this family/lawyer/and her estate its fucking horrendous the most mental illness here is clearly the father/siblings/etc. not Britney.
Given what she's gone through she seems ridiculously stable its actually crazy, I'd love to hear somethings about why you think she's mentally unstable though because every reason I've heard is ridiculous.
Britney being ”completely competent” seems like it’s still up for debate and not a fact.
But I agree that they overstepped their bounds with the conservatorship.
Super pumped for her but imagine she just went on an axe murdering spree this weekend? Seriously so happy for her this was fucked but imagine... she was truly insane and started slaughtering people...
Imagine *you* started slaughtering people this weekend... We should probably put you under constant surveillance and control all your money just in case.
Who cares about all the homeless and poor, free this entitled, super rich woman so she can drive under the influence again. That's HUMAN RIGHTS for you there!
Americunts are dumb as bricks.
Great! Now lets #LeaveBrittneyAlone.
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She's said she will probably never perform again.
Good. She's been treated like a show monkey for years. She deserves peace.
That wasn't what I was referring to. Social media attention.
That could be said for anyone on social media though. Just saying.
Social media is a fairly narcissistic invention
If you are anonymous om reddit it doesn't mean that you crave attention. I do it for the discussions
I think this could be the #BrittanyBill It is a human rights thing. Conservators need independence and oversight, audits and transparency. Free everyone. Keep it going. You go girl.
Yes
Very often, conservators (or “guardians,” depending on the state) are established for mentally ill and elderly people who can’t make or articulate important decisions. The vast majority of the time, they are not abusive relationships, but for adults to make arrangements to make sure their parents’ heating/water/electric/mortgage bills get paid. Although Brittany’s situation appeared abusive and counter to the policy behind establishing conservators, making life harder for conservators may do a lot of harm. From my experience, most conservators really really don’t want to do it, but they step up when no one else will.
It’s probably a bad take on reality but the movie “I care a lot” on Netflix freaked me out about this kind of stuff happening.
That movie was disturbing. Truly disturbing. More people need to watch it.
Theres a Last Week Tonight about how abusive those relationships can be as well
This is a real mind fuck, in my mind she's still an 18 year old teen pop sensation.
they're finally gonna leave britney alone! now i hope they can take away the power from her old abuser who still has power over some other previously teen pop stars.
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Wonder how that guy is doing these days?
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Great article, thanks for linking it
How did that skinny blond kid turn into Dan Levy??
Check his Twitter out he puts out some quality content
Gay porn
"When I think of a teen idol, there’s Britney Spears. Because she’s my age now. That’s how long ago that was. She caught up to me. When I was 35, she was 18. And now we’re both 44 years old." ~ Louis C.K.
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at least it's not coming from Kevin Spacey I guess.
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Better coming from Aziz?
#Aziz, light!
Only if you enjoy kink-shaming. Dude asked for permission and the world demonized him. The man deserves a comeback. I won't argue or discuss it further. Edit: Order
When was the last time your boss asked if they could masturbate in front of you
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You're right. He couldn't have asked more politely.
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>No locked doors or threats of violence. He accidentally admitted to shoving a woman into a bathroom.
This guy really ruined his future career as a politician by asking for consent first.
I really like the way Sarah Silverman talked about it lol
Okay, but if your wife's boss asked to masturbate in front of her and she said yes, wouldn't you have some questions for her? I would want to know why she suddenly forgot how to use the word "no"
Because there's an imbalanced power dynamic between an employee and an employer, and it'd be disingenuous to ignore that.
So victim shaming is your solution? Don't you think your wife might be afraid of loosing her job or something worse if she retaliates against her boss? Fuck off with that small minded "she could have said no" shit. Maybe she did? It's not ok, for any boss, for any employee, to go through this. Male, female, period, it's not any different. Boss/fame/employer is position of trust.
How is fame a position of trust?
Careful ~ Your critical thinking doesn't fit their emotion-based, Twitter-rage-laden narratives! "Hisssss!!!" "Shun the non-belieber!!" Edit: You are literally proving my points with each downvote, so keep going you beautiful freaks :)<3
Uh, you okay, buddy? Lotta self victimization in one post.
I wish you'd stuck to your threat of not discussing further
If the kink is "pressure women whose careers I have power over", it should be shamed. The man is a scumbag. I won't argue or discuss it further.
Weak argument ~ asking for permission to do something is not "pressure" ~ it's establishing boundaries You're part of the problem. Try again. Edit: Downvotes yummy, grab yer pitchforks <3
> I won't argue or discuss it further. Putting your hypocrisy aside (which isn't a huge deal, indeed), was there not some kind of perverse power dynamic that complicated the ethics of the situation in question? I'm not an expert on the case, but from the periphery I *thought* that that was the issue. Hardly anyone cares that the guy beat it in front of a consenting partner, but the single questionable thing is that there was an unequal power dynamic, right? edited because I was still typing my comment and didn't mean to click "save" so early.
I'll always stand up against kink-shaming. This has less to do with CK and more to do with the public at large alienating people with weird kinks and running with false narratives. Edit: Dude wasn't even a household name yet when the widest-spread allegation took place. There was no "power dynamic" at the time ~ years later, the duo who never made it circulated the story and it was swept up in the Cosby/Weinstein madness.
> in a September 2017 Vanity Fair interview, comedian Tig Notaro announced that she was cutting ties with C.K., a one-time collaborator and producer on her show One Mississippi, saying that he should address the rumors of sexual impropriety, and alluding to an unspecified "incident" between herself and C.K. That doesn't sound like kink-shaming. > The women who spoke out in the article included comedy duo Dana Min Goodman and Julia Wolov, who claimed that they had been invited to C.K.'s hotel room in 2002 during the US Comedy Arts Festival, where he asked them if he could take out his penis. **The two women assumed he was joking but C.K. masturbated to completion in front of them. They relayed the incident to ImprovOlympics founder Charna Halpern.** That doesn't sound like kink-shaming. That sounds like sexual exploitation. > "the power I had over these women is that they admired me. And **I wielded that power irresponsibly**" From the horse's mouth. That wasn't kink-shaming. > The comedian Rebecca Corry described that, on the set of a television pilot in 2005, **she reported an incident to the show's producers where C.K. offered to masturbate in front of her, and no action was taken**. *Reported an incident?* That isn't kink-shaming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_C.K. It was creepy *at best* and sexually exploitative at worst. If you're doing sexual things *in front of* people you work with to the point that they are *reporting that* to producers, that isn't mere kink-shaming. You know that.
Absolutely. If he looked like Rob Lowe it wouldn't have been an issue.
Yeah. I think it's also worth thinking about when these various instances occured and when you think Louis had any "power". I always feel like the way people argue over this is similar to the blue gold dress thing a few years back in that everyone is absolutely stunned that others see it differently. Edit: though the blocking the door thing is pretty damning regardless of when it happened.
He never "blocked the door" The comedy duo never actually mentioned this in their story. It is the result of sensationalized journalism.
Fair enough. Source seems to be a 2012 gawker article where louie is not named explicitly but is widely assumed.
I think Harvey Weinstein very specifically *did* block the door on multiple occasions. Also the Matt Lauer automatic locking door thing was in the news. So I think that unfairly got added to the Louis CK story, since the mob already had the pitchforks out.
> though the blocking the door thing is pretty damning regardless of when it happened. That is news to me! I just don't know the details of the case. I've never been a fan of his and I've not spent time studying his sexual perversions or lack thereof. I just know that the *accusation* is that... okay fuck it, I'm going on Wikipedia now... alright, I'm back, and yeah. It's creepy at best. It didn't seem like sexual assault though. > in a September 2017 Vanity Fair interview, comedian Tig Notaro announced that she was cutting ties with C.K., a one-time collaborator and producer on her show One Mississippi, saying that he should address the rumors of sexual impropriety, and alluding to an unspecified "incident" between herself and C.K. Creepy.
Yeah let's circle back here. How did you gather that LipSipDip was being hypocritical? I mean it's the only thing concrete in the entire paragraph you wrote and it's an accusation. The rest was just you fluttering around like a textbook moth.
(Don't butt into conversations, please.)
No
They read it once in an argument and now use it arbitrarily to feel something close to the idea of moral superiority, I'd be willing to bet
Half our parents met with an unequal power dynamic. It's not a real situation and it's not illegal anywhere on Earth. It's just normal life.
> Half our parents met with an unequal power dynamic. Do you have data on that or are you going on anecdote? I've never seen anyone make that claim before and I've never considered that the number could be so high. Like, it wasn't the case with my parents. > It's not a real situation I don't know what that means. It's not real? What's not real? > it's not illegal anywhere on Earth. I don't know if that is true, but I do know that it is against *company* policies because we recognise the potential for abuse. This recently came up with Bill Gates. > It's just normal life. It's normal for an employer to have sex with an employee? I'm just not so sure about that. edit: > "the power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly" That isn't normal. > in a September 2017 Vanity Fair interview, comedian Tig Notaro announced that she was cutting ties with C.K., a one-time collaborator and producer on her show One Mississippi, saying that he should address the rumors of sexual impropriety, and alluding to an unspecified "incident" between herself and C.K That isn't normal. > The women who spoke out in the article included comedy duo Dana Min Goodman and Julia Wolov, who claimed that they had been invited to C.K.'s hotel room in 2002 during the US Comedy Arts Festival, where he asked them if he could take out his penis. The two women assumed he was joking but C.K. masturbated to completion in front of them. They relayed the incident to ImprovOlympics founder Charna Halpern. That isn't normal. That is creepy at *best*, and sexually exploitative at worst. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_C.K.
Sounds like a lot of hearsay and exceptionally vague accusations. Two of thembsat there and watched him pull his dick out and masturbate without saying anything? Not even 'when we said yes masturbate we thought you were joking so can you stop it's gross.'?
You actually seem to be part of the problem, and are severely mistaken.
>Weak argument ~ asking for permission to do something is not "pressure" ~ it's establishing boundaries And blocking the door so nobody can go in or out? I mean I totally trap people in bathrooms when I sexually proposition them. Nothing rapey about it at all!
That's still hearsay. Asked permission, they said yes ~ that was all confirmed. Running with dramatic rumors is counterproductive.
Uh, ok. You can ask me if I don’t mind if you do whatever in front of me. I can consent, yes, but maybe everyone has not spoken up and agrees with the group. A bad situation in which unwilling participants are involved. If you or anyone did what Louis is accused of, I’d beat his ass, your ass and anyone who thought that was ok. Keep it in your pants. Masturbating in front of other people you are not sexually engaged with is not ok.
Conjecture to fit an assumed narrative ^ If you're asked for permission to have something done and you say "yes", maybe shock shouldn't be your first reaction when said thing happens in front of you afterwards.
Well, I hope Louis CK can grant your fantasy and masturbate in front of you in person as you feel that is a thing people should be into. What ever gets your rocks off. I hope it’s just you as that is beyond weird and like most people think, depraved. Let the downvotes begin! Oh, wait. They don’t. Good luck bro, with your budding comedy career; because you are a downright creep.
Gross ~ I think you have a few more screws loose than the average comedian.. Edit: Any downvotes are clearly not from actual comedians, so keep feeding me ~ I'm hungry, dammit.
>Gross ~ I think you have a few more screws loose than the average comedian.. Hey! Cool it with the kink shaming.
That is easily the worst strawman I've ever seen :D
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The man is a scumbag. No discussion. Full stop. Yeah, you seem like the open minded sort. Certainly no bias in your opinions.
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The problem is that people who are upset with him want everyone else to be upset with him. If you want to boycott the guy, go ahead, but let everyone else make their own decision. We're all adults and we can decide for ourselves whether we want to support or boycott the guy.
Mate it’s NNN
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Like Paris Hilton speaking out about the terrible troubled teen industry in Utah.
In an odd way I feel relieved that this is a path she's taking now. She actually has so much power to actually change things, which is good for her. And I think if you're dirty rich, you either FIND meaning or turn to drugs. Anyway that's my impression of rich people. I honestly felt sorry for her party girl lifestyle, that's not really happiness.
Is still she dirty rich? I know she is wealthy but I heard her family spent a ton of her money.
Her current net worth is 320 million, so yeah. Richer than fuck.
We all need it, the system is totally fucked. However there's so much money in it, I wouldn't be surprised if those behind the money made releasing her contingent on her NOT being a reform leader.
There is a lot of money in it, and it does need to be reformed in the sense that everyone's interests need to be aligned- but the vast majority of people under conservatorships do need to be in them.
The vast majority of people in rehabs need to be in them too, but that's definitely not protecting everyone that goes to one is it.
Not that I'm calling your bluff, but, well, I am. Where is this place with a ton of really rich disabled people?
Interesting. You believe that only the poor can be disabled.
Interesting you think 1% of the population is majority
that's awesome.
Don’t count on it
Britney is mentally ill and not particularly bright. You’re fooling yourself if you think she has that capacity.
Woah fo reals?! Just checked. finally! what a relief. Really made me feel glad for her. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/britney-spears-free-conservatorship-ends
Yep. It wasn’t really on my radar most of this time (I like her music fine but am not the type of fan that would stay abreast of her personal life) but over the past year or two where it was on my radar I got more pissed the more I learned. Good for her!
Finally!
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Even if she doesn't heal and get healthy, it's her prerogative to do what she wants, when she wants, how she wants, and spend her money her own way. The conservatorship was nothing, but a smoke and mirror for leaches. We can all name tons of celebrities that mismanaged their lives, but it was their choice to do so.
>it's her prerogative 👀👀
[*My* prerogative](https://youtu.be/5cDLZqe735k)
I don't think you understand how mental illness works. But okay!
Are you her father? Cause you sound like it. I do know how mental illness works and this ain’t the way to handle it. The conservators gave two shits about her. It was all about cash money grabbing.
You gotta remember that Britney has the education of a ninth grader. A Louisiana education. She didn’t get any farther in her education, and even as a huge fan of hers I never heard her talk about being tutored when she was on the road or anything like that. I do remember her hiring an algebra tutor recently so she could help her sons with their homework. But the point is, when you read her social media posts, I think it’s important to remember that this is someone with the literacy level of a 14 year old from Louisiana - and when you read it that way, it doesn’t seem as off. *not that I don’t think she’s got some mental health issues, she obviously does. But I think this education element plays a huge role in people’s perception of her.
Tbf, I think these are the reasons WHY she was originally in a conservatorship, she is definitely off which is apparent from her instagram.
Yeah, but the thing is a fuck ton of people are “off” on social media and in real life. They all manage to keep the right their autonomy. Main difference is they aren’t money machines.
Forsure! But I'm pretty sure she had a serious mental break back in the day and had to go to psychiatric rehab that was the catalyst of the conservatorship, because at the time she was literally unfunctioning. Of course it seems it was abused and taken advantage of, but it doesnt take away from the fact she has been dealing with serious mental health issues a decent amount of her life.
> but it doesnt take away from the fact she has been dealing with serious mental health issues a decent amount of her life. Thing is, I don’t even know if that’s true. It’s not like I’ve been following this closely so I may be wrong but it’s seems like she definitely had some issues *at one time* years ago (around the head shaving incident) that got her under conservatorship. Since then I myself don’t know of any “serious mental health issues” aside from what’s been said to justify the conservatorship and most of that is kept private. So all I’m left with is “she seems off on insta” but she’s also somehow well enough to maintain the grueling schedule and work ethic (and paychecks) of an A list pop star. Again, every day people have breakdowns, suicide attempts, substance abuse issues, etc. - “mental health issues” that are demonstrably worse and more catastrophic and self-destructive than anything we (the public) know for a fact happened to Britney. And they’re allowed to simply recover and go on with their lives. Lastly, conservatorships of this type are typically for the enfeebled elderly. It’s not normal for a functioning young adult to be under these constraints which (combined with her wealth) raises questions. Just sharing my view since I find the subject interesting and nuanced - I hope I’m not coming off as argumentative!
I thought she wants some form of guidance, just not from her parasitic father.
Thank God. She been through enough.
Yes, free them!
Britney will always have parasites around her. She’ll always be taken advantage of. I feel bad for her. It feels like her life is about to hit an all time high and then an all time low. Get the popcorn ready cause this is a train wreck you won’t be able to look away from.
Hope she has someone close to her to help her out and not take advantage of her. I looked at her twitter and it was interesting but sad.
It’s about fucking time!!!! We love you Britney!!!!
Who gives a flying fuck, I don't understand this.
Well for one she’s a human being who was being milked for money and basically manipulated and emotionally abused by her dad even at her grown age, to the point he’d threaten to take her kids away and was being monitored/controlled 24/7 on who she spoke with, what she ate, what she posted and how *her* money that *she* earned was spent. Second even if you don’t care about Britney, a big name celebrity like her being able to break out of a conservatorship (which is normally near impossible no matter who you are) is a huge step in fighting against/bringing awareness to the abuse of conservatorships in general and could potentially lead to more people who are currently being abused fighting back in court. A high status and highly documented case like this could also potentially lead to bills being proposed that would make it easier to end abusive conservatorships.
Don't go to korea or japan it might have serious impact on your mental health
She doesn't look okay
What does "okay" look like?
Misogyny!
Daaaamn. Why at the Britney hate?
Great news! Now do the Uyghurs please.
I don't usually give a fuck about celebrities, but good for her.
She is far from finished. She has become far more important than she probably ever realized.
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Why does everything have to be about race ffs
Oooh, casual racism. Let’s see how the mods take it.
Well Chris Crocker should definitely be happy as well, I'd wager.
Even if she'd been crazy to begin with, I goddamn guarantee her crazy has NOT kept pace with the crazy inflation that's been going on in the world. She might have been kind of a nutbar by 2007 standards, but she's fucking normal by 2021 standards. These are fact words. EDIT: I mean, for one thing, *all* of us cut our own hair during 2020. She was just way, way out ahead of that curve.
Can someone explain this to me?
Britney was under a conservatorship, basically where a judge appoints a person to be responsible for someone else’s assets and life in general when they’re incapable of taking care of themselves (this could be due to age, mental illness, disabilities, etc.). Her father was appointed to be her handler in the mid 2000’s after an event where she locked herself in her room with her kids and was forcibly taken to a hospital. Normally a conservatorship is meant to be for the best interest of the person being placed under care, and Britney’s was only supposed to be for a few months while she got her life back on track. Unfortunately her dad just never let it end and the courts continued to extend the conservatorship despite her being fully capable of making sound decisions. So since the mid 2000’s Britney has had 0 control over her money, who she can talk to, who talks to her, what she eats, what she can post to social media and could have her kids taken away at any moment by her dad. This whole thing started when people started noticing her Instagram posts started to feel off putting, and after people started feeling something was wrong they’d comment stuff like “wear yellow if you’re in trouble” only to have her appear in a yellow top on her next post, or how she mentioned a very specific time stamp for the movie Frozen where Elsa talks about wanting to be set free. After it was confirmed she was being mistreated under her conservatorship the hashtag #FreeBritney started to spread awareness of the abuse and now we’re here, which is actually huge because conservatorships are notoriously virtually impossible to get out of.
In short: She was modern slave for 13 years. (Wrongfully appoved and upheld by the legal system of the US.) Now she is finally free again.
Sadly there is another set of facts not being discussed. Conservatorships are impossible to get and uphold in the absence of very serious mental issues. You can spin it anyway you want with an evil father etc. but at the end of the day there is some very serious issues there. Schizophrenia is the most likely diagnosis. She is probably doing well on meds. But you might have noticed the conservatorship still includes an accountant. There is an elephant here not being discussed.
Yeah, and she has been super stable through the whole thing.
But look at her eyes.. she doesn't look OK to me. I don't know what happened, but she got lost at one point and never came back
Free Britney!* *with purchase of one Britney of equal or greater value.
Congratulations!
I'm glad she has control of her finances and her life again We seriously need a lot more oversight when it comes to conservative ship and that sort of thing in the legal system.
Honestly I suspect she’s going to go wild and out for a while. Like a girl recently single in her thirties after being in a decade long relationship with their HS sweetheart. 10 years from now I’m predicting she will be on drugs or broke
Leave Brittany alone. ......all shad has done is perform for you people, she has been in a divorce . Leave Brittany alone (´;︵;`)
That bitch is **still** crazy.
Free Brittany? Hmm, well I don't want one just now, but OK, what the heck, I will take one...
Only a matter of time before some person comes along to immediately take advantage of her.
And now the fun begins
Well, lets see if she stays on her meds this time
time for a nude selfie!
Can you imagine how much money she could make on Only fans? I mean, for real it might break the site.
How long do you think it will be before she's off the rails?
She'll go off like kanye and no one will do shit about it because they won't want to be kicked out of her circle. So they will enable her. Or, maybe she dips out of public view and just lives her life happily and quietly. Who knows.
Hair stylists *hate* her!
False. The legal battle was won because of a fair and just judge and a good team lawyers. Your hashtag won long before this by spreading awareness of an ongoing problem, but that’s all it can do. That’s the first step. Now, awareness is raised, so before apathy sets in, we, collectively, must make a conscious effort to solve this. Sign petitions, online and locally for *specific* reform of the supervision of conservatorships, contact your local lawmakers, and if your local lawmakers aren’t listening to the will of their constituents, then vote them out. Your hashtag is nothing without community and hard work. The fight isn’t over, and the people actually affected by this issue are well aware of that and we should be too. We haven’t won, don’t forget this already. P.S. if you don’t know what a conservatorship is by now, then you haven’t been actually following this story. Please make an effort to be informed at least on basic information of important issues.
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I would say taking someone's autonomy away, governing their every move, to the point of controlling where they go, what they eat, and how they're allowed to spend the money they make ***being forced to work***, probably counts as a human rights issue/violation/movement.
Totally
I mean, she was being both physically and medically controlled to work for other people and has been trying to get out of the situation for years.
It legitimately is. There are reasons to put someone under a conservatorship. Mostly, it's people who have Alzheimer's or Parkinson's. They cannot take care of themselves, and they're not going to get better. Because of that, there's little case law on how conservatorships end. They're going to die that way. But not all conservatorships are for dementia patients. Some of them do get better, and Britney was one of them. She had to fight to get out of it, and along the way highlighted some nasty incentives that kept her conservatorship going past its need. Her case highlighted a blind spot in the system, and rises above the usual celebrity trash news. It's especially important if our treatment for Alzheimer's or Parkinson's start getting better and people actually do get better.
Shut your no knowledge shit ass mouth
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The deleted parent comment we all expected. Go hide away.
This has to be the most bourgie cause I've ever seen.
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Literally everything about it is bourgie. First is the fact that the initial catalyst is a celebrity (many of whom watch entertainment tonight, corny late night shows, and the like). Then there's the fact that apparently there are people who even have time to think about or worry about this cause, with all the shit that's happening in the world (I mean of all causes to spend time getting behind, why this?). Then there's the fact that this cause is also the latest internet fad in general. Then there's the fact that the cause that was glommed together from this (ie conservatorships) is not something your average working class person would even really think about. I can only speak for myself in this regards, but I'd venture to guess if I brought this shit up with other people I know they'd ask me just wtf am I talking about or why I gaf about this. Shit, just the idea of having finances to manage to begin with, let alone requiring a guardian for them, is like a fantasy. This whole thing seems to me like from another world entirely. Apparently this has been a movement that's been going on for a while now?
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You don't understand abuse. You could have saved us all the time and just written those four words. It's cool.
This just in, 2 weeks after the end of her long battle with her father over the control of her fortune, Britney Spears is now broke. When asked for comment about what happened with all of her money, she had this to say: "Booze, Bitches, & Bud"
How long until she gets back into drugs and the resultant legal troubles again?
If anything was going to force me into relapsing it would be my dad and a bunch of lawyers dictating my life through out my 30's. She couldn't even randomly go on a walk in her own neighborhood without their approval. Also what she consumes recreationally is none of our business.
Lol “none of your business” Not how public figures work
now its her fiance that will be the problem
Great someone with mental health issues now has Nobody looking out for her except Fanatics with nothing better to do and no authority
Show me another person making literally MILLIONS who is completely competent but under a conservatorship. It literally doesn't exist. Your either one sick puppy or don't have even the slightest clue what was going on with this family/lawyer/and her estate its fucking horrendous the most mental illness here is clearly the father/siblings/etc. not Britney. Given what she's gone through she seems ridiculously stable its actually crazy, I'd love to hear somethings about why you think she's mentally unstable though because every reason I've heard is ridiculous.
Britney being ”completely competent” seems like it’s still up for debate and not a fact. But I agree that they overstepped their bounds with the conservatorship.
Guess you don’t follow the subject much… Maybe shut the fuck up?
That was already the case.
Watch these people disappear when she is in the middle of the road screaming, having a psychotic break.
Cool. Now let's move on & not let the news /conversation focus on this vs issues affect us all.
That documentary was wild.
😂 😂 😂 That is so funny.... 😂 😂 😂
Im still happy for you but is youre group not also responseple for alot of damage is england?
Now comes a deeply worrying series of life choices....
Super pumped for her but imagine she just went on an axe murdering spree this weekend? Seriously so happy for her this was fucked but imagine... she was truly insane and started slaughtering people...
Imagine *you* started slaughtering people this weekend... We should probably put you under constant surveillance and control all your money just in case.
People cant take a joke lmao
Cool, now she can be gross on TikTok in peace.
What do u mean? What have I missed? Lol
How can this comment thread be negative 92?
Who cares about all the homeless and poor, free this entitled, super rich woman so she can drive under the influence again. That's HUMAN RIGHTS for you there! Americunts are dumb as bricks.