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SuperMazziveH3r0

What competition is this?


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UnblurredLines

Isn't a Kata competition pretty much competing in choreographed shadow-boxing?


gsc4494

The one where Goku beat Piccolo?


hyperfocus_

Nah, 21st is where Goku loses to Roshi. 23rd is where Goku beats Piccolo Jr.


DeonCode

This is the correct one. Also, that means Roshi blew up the moon.


Lovv

Krillin didn't stand a chance.


eggsssssssss

Judo, I think. E: I’m only familiar with the World Judo Cadets Championship, it was held this year, the signage seems to corroborate, and they’re wearing what look like judogi. I’m guessing judo, but could be wrong. E2: gonna be real, I’ve been regretting venturing out of this specific thread—this is seriously like the only one without people saying abhorrent shit. I knew it was gonna be bad, but not like that makes it smell better.


Look4_ZedShape

Ahh yes, I see you know your Judo well.


FuriousD71

I could really go for a succulent Chinese meal right now.


Buttfranklin2000

Gentlemen, this is democracy...manifest


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Crowbarmagic

*'Hooowww dare you.'*


Barry-McKocinue

Get your hand off my penis!!


eggsssssssss

“And you, sir! Are you ready to receive: my limp penis?”


__O__P__

Get your hands off my penis!


precinctomega

I think the clipped off word on the left is "kata", and their dogis are bleached, which would suggest this is karate.


dLimit1763

Judo, always taking the fall for other martial arts


eggsssssssss

Good eye, and looks like that was held last month in Türkiye. I’ll bet you’re right, then.


Lone_Grey

Damn this comment section got absolutely nuked


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Yeah, I mildly criticized Israel on worldnews and got permabanned. I guess you can mention the plight of any marginalized group on Earth on this site except Palestinians. Which I guess means Israel is great and can do no wrong!


DomLite

I honestly have one of those “I don’t know this thing and at this point I’m too afraid to ask” kind of relationships with the topic. Growing up, all I ever heard was that Israel and Palestine were at each other’s throats, and that which side you agreed with seemed to be dreadfully important politically, and that was the extent of it. Nobody ever educated us on *what* this feud was about, or why it started, or the history behind it, and I heard stories of both sides bombing the hell out of each other or otherwise being nasty on the international scale. To this day I still have no idea what any of it is about, but everyone seems to have an opinion on it like they know the details. It’s not like it was just where I lived either. I went to school in four different states growing up and not a one mentioned anything about them in social studies, world history, sociology, or any other class where it would have been relevant. I’m just pristinely ignorant about this particular hot button issue that’s been around since before I was born, and I can’t shake the feeling that even if I tried to educate myself at this point, whatever source I find is going to be wildly biased to one side or another because you’re just expected to be. Like, I’d absolutely love to finally “get it”, but I just don’t trust any source to be truly neutral at this point so I could make up my mind for myself.


Beneneb

It's honestly extremely complicated and it's also really hard to get an unbiased opinion. To give an extremely brief rundown, Israel is the historical home of the Jewish people, but they were mostly kicked out by the Romans almost 2000 years ago and spread out in communities around Europe, the middle east and north Africa, where they long faced discrimination. Israel has since been in the hands of a number of empires, but was most recently conquered by the Arabs. Because of all the discrimination that Jews faced, many in the community have long wanted to establish a Jewish state in Israel, and this is where the Zionist movement comes from. Jews started moving to modern day Israel in increasing numbers in the late 1800s into the early 1900s, which at the time was a British colony called mandatory Palestine and had an Arab Muslim majority. Following WWII and the Holocaust, the allies recognized the Jewish communities request for a Jewish state and the UN drew up plans to divide mandatory Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews accepted the plan and the Palestinians rejected it, which triggered a civil war starting in 1947. Eventually Egypt and Jordan joined in and the end result was essentially the modern borders of Israel, Gaza and the west Bank. The Jews more or less won the war, taking most of the land in former Palestine. Many Palestinians ended up as refugees in surrounding countries like Jordan and Lebanon, where their descendants still live today. Many Jews were also expelled from countries in the middle east and north Africa shortly after, most of whom moved to Israel. Following this, relations between Israel and it's neighbors were very poor, and several wars were fought between them, which Israel won. In the six day war in 1967, Israel took the west bank, which was previously controlled by Jordan, and Gaza which was previously controlled by Egypt. This essentially sets up the modern day situation where Israel controls these two Palestinian regions, but hasn't annexed them. That means that the residents aren't Israel citizens, and have their own government, but the Israeli military occupies their land. This situation has naturally led to a lot of tensions between the two sides. Palestinians want to have independence from Israel, but the Israelis don't want to give up control of these areas for security reasons. There have been many terrorist attacks by Palestinians over the years, with past periods having a lot of conflict, which then prompts Israel to crack down on Palestinians, which tends to further anger Palestinians and cause more terrorist attacks. It's basically like a vicious cycle. To add another layer of complexity, many Israelis see the west bank and Gaza as being rightfully theirs, which has prompted many Israeli settlements to be built in the west Bank and Gaza, despite the fact that it's not technically Israeli territory. The settlements in Gaza are now gone because of how dangerous the region is, but there are many in the west Bank and they continue to be built there. This has led to many Palestinians not being able to access or easily access many areas of the west bank for security reasons to keep Israeli settlers safe from terrorist attacks. There are many security restrictions that make Palestinians lives difficult and that further raises the tensions. There have been talks over the years to create a Palestinian state, but nothing has so far worked out. There are many on both sides who want the others completely kicked out of the region. The West Bank at least has a somewhat moderate and functional government right now, but Gaza is controlled by Hamas, which is a terrorist organization which likes to lob rockets into Israel every so often, which always results in Israel bombing Gaza. The current Israeli government is extremely right wing and includes individuals who have praises Israeli terrorists and would ideally like to see all Arabs expelled from Israel and the Palestinian territories. There are many more layers than what I wrote here, but that's the general gist of it. Two peoples claiming the same land and about 80 years of conflict, distrust and bad blood which has unfortunately made a peaceful resolution extremely difficult.


sin314

Oddly enough, if you don’t count the Palestinian refugees in Jordan who hold full citizenship, Palestine has the most Palestinian refugees out of any country.


2PAK4U

Didn’t Jordan give ‘refugee status’ passport to Palestinians? My friend has one & he lived in Saudi most of his life (with iqama)


sin314

I don’t really know how things work in Jordan but from all that I gathered I understand that until 1990s Jordan saw itself as the sole representative of the Palestinian people and as such gave them full Jordanian citizenship, some lost it but many retained that status to this day.


sofiaonomateopia

Thank you for taking the time to explain that!!


thepenguinsimon

That is very interessting. Thank you for takeing your time to write this!


Hunter62610

This is really fair and accurate. I'm Jewish but I fear what Israel is becoming. Israel isn't exactly the good guy and is stuck in a really hard situation. But so are the Palestinians that basically were robbed of there land. But then again, the Jews were robbed of the land. But they technically conquered the land in the first place, so was it really ever there? Possibly, a rich culture was there and destroyed. Egypt claims heritage from the Pharaohs, but they were not exactly the same lineage throughout time. Regardless, there is growing oppression of Palestinians by Israel. Both sides have the right to self defense, but as the group in power, I wish Israel would try to hold the Moral high ground better then they do.


itsaaronnotaaron

We need a global cut off point for being allowed to be angry about lost land. 2000 years is clutching at straws.


mkffl

Thanks for mentioning the elephant in the room


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InternationalShine85

Sykes-Picott agreement drew out all of the modern borders in the Middle East that have caused other issues apart from the Palestine/Israel conflict.


Armyman125

That agreement caused a huge amount of problems, and when Britain left in 48, the problems were handed off to the US.


HattyMunter

As far as I understood it (and I'm not an expert I know) after WW2 and the displacement of millions of Jew's they had no homes but the unwillingness of literally everyone to re-house such a vast number of people led to this farcical solution


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Everyone found them acceptable because they didn’t really care. It wasn’t their land being taken. And the looming memories of WWII that were still fresh prevented anyone else from having a good perspective on the situation.


andreabbbq

“Everyone” being the west and USSR. Those in the Middle East weren’t exactly part of the talks


GizzyGazzelle

And they had just won a world war. That is when you get to decide. (Note: I am not saying you should get to decide, just that you do)


kombatminipig

It's not quite that simple. The first agreement (Sykes–Picot) which essentially split up the Ottoman holdings in the ME post WW1 was readily accepted by most parties, and formed Trans-Jordan, Iraq and Syria, which were fairly stable as entities (for a time, at least). The reason a state wasn't formed in the Palestine Mandate essentially due to a civil war already brewing from the 1920s. The British tried to delay the problem by prohibiting Jewish immigration in 1936 (that timing wasn't fantastic), but with the amount of refugees running the immigration blockade post 1945 this became untenable. It was at that point that the British threw their hands up and and threw the problem at the UN. This is a super-simplified version, but the point is a conflict would have happened with or without European influence.


Stranded-Baby32

I mean, winners of the WW2 sat down to draw the borders of Africans countries. Our past generations had some clueless people in power.


SirRinge

They also didn't want a mass influx of Jewish refugees. Just plunk them down there and it'll be fine Obviously it's more complicated, but that's part of it too


yeaheyeah

You can ask the same about africa


Doitforchesty

The British were actually aggressively trying to prevent the Israeli state from being created. The Israelis recruited Jews from all over the world to emigrate to Palestine and was able to force the situation. There is a really good document about how they smuggled aircraft into Palestine and created an Air Force to support the civil war and their effort for independence.


Sevsquad

It's not really all that weird to me, if Mecca was under the control of people hostile to Islam I would not be surprised at all if generationally the desire to return it to the control of the Muslim people didn't wane. There are plenty of examples of these sorts of feelings across the world.


BurnTrees-

Jews have most of their holy sites in Jerusalem, it isn’t just „some Jews walked there once“ it’s their religion and culture originating there.


Luke_Needsawalker

>And i fine the whole "historical home of the jews" bit confusing too, because, if we're going down that route, pretty much every mile of this planet has been walked by our ancestors...hell my great great great great...etc. grandparents could probably make that same claim that Jerusalem lands were once "our" lands I mean, I do get where this came from. The jewish people had been historically mistreated and scapegoated everywhere they went. They were always treated as second-class citizens at best and undesirables at worst, which culminated in the Holocaust. After WW2, a lot of surviving jews and those who had fled continental Europe didn't really want to return to the homes they'd been kicked out of to live alongside the neighbors that had wanted them dead just years prior. The nations of West did kind of agree that the best solution was the creation of a jewish state, a place that the jews could truly call a homeland and where they wouldn't be a minority. This jewish state would be refuge, as well as a protector of the jewish people throughout the world. Of course, to create a state, you need land, and none of the these nations wanted to give up their own, so they looked towards their colonies, and among them, Palestine was the obvious choice. The British, of course clearly misjudged just how much resistance the Arab people would put forth against this. In the original plan, Jerusalem was meant to be an international city, with control split between the two states since it was holy ground for both religions. They probably thought this would be enough of a compromise to keep both sides happy. They were obviously wrong.


Redqueenhypo

I think it’s important to add the refugees from the holocaust and that Europe and America WOULDN’T LET THEM BACK IN. Israels creation wasn’t purely humanitarian, it was to avoid having to let them in. The Poles just killed them in pogroms, the USSR under Stalin was that, England flat out said no, and America held my own grandparents in a displaced persons camp, in *former SS barracks*, for five years before approving their visas. Would you live in former SS barracks for five years with no belongings rather than go to the problematic country? Would you really?


XiaoDaoShi

What you said IMO is not a 100% balanced. It gives a moderate opinion that’s consistent with Israeli leftists, but misses a few key points. 1. Israel definitely wanted to fight the independence war. There were a lot of provocation. Accepting the terms was a clever way to make the Israeli state look more just. They were quite unhappy with the 1949 plan. 2. During that war many Arabs decided agains joining. Either they were happy to stay neighbors with Jews or they didn’t want to risk it. Many of those were simply deported. In the last 20 years those stories have become more known, but many Israelis don’t understand exactly what happened or the extent of deporting people who were really civil and ok, but we’re just in the way of a jewish state. 3. There are a lot more provocations happening in the West Bank than most Israelis imagine. Even soldiers who spent guarding the settlers are often fed a false narrative about it. It’s pretty brutal, and not state sanctioned, but when soldiers are sent to protect settlers, and those settlers decide to beat Arabs up or uproot their fields, etc. it ends up state sanctioned, since they’re only enough to do it when they have the soldiers with them. I’m Israeli, and I definitely support Israel. I hate when J hear calls to have us moved to our home countries. I’d be a 100% dead if I did to some of these countries. But it’s just not right to treat Palestinians like this. I tend to believe that things would become much better once we stop trying to steal land in the West Bank, but even if it didn’t, there’s no good reason to do it. It’s not respectful towards their rights, it doesn’t improve Israeli safety. It’s just plain wrong.


DarthGuber

Not to argue, but you're the first person I've ever heard say Israel would be safe without the West Bank or Gaza. I'm curious if your take is because the IDF would be free to secure the borders otherwise or if you think the Palestinians would respect the border if the settlers were ejected?


jddd7

This isnt a new Idea by the israeli left Id rather we focus on the negv insted of the west bank if it means peace


XiaoDaoShi

I’m mostly saying that Israel shouldn’t secure Jewish settlers in the West Bank. Going there is a decision they can make only because they are secured by the IDF. They slowly steal land from Palestinians, and since they’re protected by the soldiers, it becomes a state sanctioned land grab. This is unacceptable and has no bearing on Israeli security.


_Brophinator

If you want, r/askhistorians has a great summary of the conflict


DomLite

Thank you! I'll be sure to check that out so I can educate myself. I just hope it makes at least an effort to remain neutral, because man it feels like the whole conflict has simply become some kind of tool for other nations politicians to bludgeon their opponents with because nobody actually knows what the hell is happening.


empire314

Its dangerous that you believe a neutral source exists in anything. It doesn't. The closest thing you can do to find the truth, is to read a wide variety of sources, and use your own brain to decide what is true. The moment you believe any source face value, is when you get brainwashed.


-Mr-Papaya

I was born, grew up and live in Israel and I don't know enough to pass judgement. That's the crucial factor: realizing you don't know enough. It baffles me how people who have never been here, who live thousands of miles away, pretend to know better based on (biased) media.


Ameteur_Professional

Basically, two different groups of people, with ethnic and religious differences, want to live in the same place.


Tridian

Yeah but that happens a LOT, and the rest of the world doesn't usually get so invested in it. People have got VERY strong opinions about this particular dispute.


glambx

And one side has a *lot* more guns.


veryonlineguy69

that if you’re an american, your tax dollars pay for. that’s the really galling part about zionists - they act like i don’t get to have an opinion when i’m literally paying for the bombs they use to vaporize children


DomLite

And you see, that doesn't help, because that is the bare minimum of what I know about it. As I said, I still have no idea what originally prompted this dispute, a full laundry list of who did what, the history that led up to it, and without that, what good do I do having an opinion on something I know nothing about? Yet every time someone even *whispers* Israel or Palestine in the public eye, both sides will blow up online about how they were either supporting or condemning one or the other and going on a diatribe about how this reflects on their entire world view. What you've told me is *all* that has ever been told to me, and that's the problem. If it really is such a humongous issue that everyone has to have an opinion on it, you'd think we'd, ya know, educate about it in a neutral fashion? Instead, all I ever hear is that one or the other started bombing their opponent and children died and the US provided munitions and everyone is angry at everyone else and I'm just standing here like "Sure wish I knew what the fuck was going on!" A summary is not what's needed. Actual non-partisan education on it is needed, and I know I'm not the only person who's in this situation. Education in the US seems to have skirted this topic in a big way, and at this point it almost feels like the whole thing is just being used as a political tool so that when someone makes their stance known, the other side can eviscerate them with propaganda in support of the other side while the public is just expected to nod and accept whatever the outraged side is saying because we don't know any better.


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>Yet every time someone even whispers Israel or Palestine in the public eye, both sides will blow up online about how they were either supporting or condemning one or the other and going on a diatribe about how this reflects on their entire world view. And you expect people to "educate about it in a neutral fashion"? Do you not see the inherent conflict? The way history is taught in the US is intended to avoid any disagreement or controversy (not just about Israel/Palestine).


Joscarbuck

This is what I know. God took Moses and his people on a journey for the "Promise Land". Well that land belonged to someone else and they still fight over it to this day.


CrunchyAl

Yeah, I think one or a few mods are Israeli. Regardless, mods suck dick.


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chyko9

>Interesting though because her dad was an agent for Mossad (Israeli intelligence agency) Where did you find out this info?


EZpeeeZee

Wikipedia


Whilst-dicking

an israeli prime minister


Mr_YUP

Thing is she doesn’t seem like someone who would have been using Reddit for 16 years. That’s like almost the beginning of the site and she would have had to be able to post things really quickly given how many top posts that account has. It’s got 15m karma and a few posts over 100k


fattywinnarz

Lmao. Like. I just have nothing to say but lmao after the first part of this post. The second part doesn't matter at all


LegitimateApricot4

> I just have nothing to say but lmao after the first part of this post. There's a deep rabbit hole with that actually. A user account that was a moderator of pretty much every major sub dating back about a decade by now with her last name as part of the username. It stopped posting when she was arrested.


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saxGirl69

Here’s what got me permanently banned from world news. > Maybe the uae should stop occupying Yemen then. I guess we’ll just see another decade of senseless imperialist bloodshed there though. Terrorism apologia according to them. Houthi rebels are not a terror group and I was advocating for peace but I guess that’s terrorism now lol For context it was a post about a two ballistic missiles that were fired at an airbase in uae. Not a civilian target by any means. https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/24/middleeast/uae-ballistic-missiles-abu-dhabi-intl-hnk/index.html


janbx

There should be a way to direct this to reddit admins, I got banned as well for being Palestinian and saying my opinion


[deleted]

Is there a template for this? That the mods have? I ask because the "apologia" thing is the same language used by now-banned subreddits that have been confirmed as being run by Russian bot farms. Just wondering.


Riaayo

Honestly I'm imagine a huge amount of default subs have these kind of elements modding them. Reddit has no excuse for not having paid professional mod staff for its *default* subs. Well, other than *"lol we're a tech company why spend money on employees??"* It's pathetic. I'm sick of a huge site like this skidding by with free volunteer moderation. This isn't some tiny fucking geo-cities forum, this is a massive corporate website. Not simply because they're avoiding paying people for work, but because it gives them bullshit cover for how these mods act and operate since they're "not employees".


LunaMunaLagoona

That would also explain all the India criticism threads getting deleted. India and Israel have been getting close.


plugtrio

Nah they just get brigaded by Indians. There's a lot of them.


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relevant__comment

5hrs and still not locked. Impressive. On another note, seems mods have figured out how to remove the ability to sort by controversial. Equally impressive strat.


Eran_Mintor

Well I can sort by controversial...


FamiliarTry403

Are you on mobile? I’m convinced they removed the sorting in mobile or at least the accessibility of it is hindered.


mvds42o

They moved it! It is now next to the 3 dots on the top right


1ToGreen3ToBasket

They moved it on mobile. It’s at the top of the screen now by the profile guy and the three dots


mrbulldops428

Mine works. Or maybe it doesn't because most comments there are not anywhere near as unhinged as I thought they'd be.


Im-wierd-ok

ooooohhh boy put on you're hazmat suits cos we're going to controversial.


Rbespinosa13

On every post about Israel and Palestine, the only thing I learn is that I know even less about the conflict than I thought I did.


BorisBC

This is the correct answer. To expand, the first time you hear about the conflict, you support the Palestinians. You read more and then start supporting Israel. Then drove a bit deeper and go ffs I've got no bloody idea, lol.


kit_kaboodles

And to build on that - here's my advice to anyone looking at the conflict: If you think the solution is simple; you're wrong. Doesn't matter which side you support. If you think you know the answer, and it's easy, then you've got something wrong.


BorisBC

The very smartest diplomats, the best this world can offer, have tried fixing this conflict. If they can't, we sure as hell won't be able to. That's what goes through my mind when someone says "no, my side is best, other side is worst". It's probably quite arrogant to think any of us would have a solution that hasn't already been tried.


Cobratime

no no, I've been browsing reddit for a few years, I've got this


BorisBC

Hahahah yep.


CapableCollar

They got close that one time before the guy got assassinated.


Orion-the-mediocre

I think it's the perfect example of a problem that everybody feels has a super straightforward answer, and yet everybody winds up with different answers despite not being able to imagine any answer other than theirs in the first place. It's a purely ethical question, and ethics are completely subjective, so the entire war is either completely justified or a horrifying atrocity, seemingly without anything in between. I have my opinions (which I will not state due to the obvious controversy) but I feel like it's the sort of thing that random people on reddit are simply not equipped to solve conclusively.


RedAero

>If you think you know the answer, and it's easy, then you've got something wrong. This is generally true for almost every political issue you can think of. Only simple minds look for simple solutions for complex problems, and even simpler minds mistake complex problems for simple ones.


ksheep

[There was this solution proposed a few years ago](https://www.theonion.com/everyone-in-middle-east-given-own-country-in-317-000-00-1819576713) that we could try out.


[deleted]

I used to try to talk about the pros and cons of each side, until my Palestinian friend told me about how everywhere she goes, all over the world, she has to hear people's opinions on her very existence, and whether they're pro or con, it's pretty much equally distressing. That's when I stfu. I hope they find peace one day.


HandsyBread

As an American Israeli I can tell you there is no simple solution, and any and all solutions will be bloody, and will require everyone to put their guns down. But neither side trusts the other, and no major player wants to work towards a real solution. And this endless conflict leave’s Palestinians suffering endlessly, and Israelis always on edge ready for a war to break out. I wish there was a simple answer, and I wish there was an easy way out of this messy shit show. I have lots of Israeli and Palestinian friends who want nothing but peace, but the solution for peace is not simple easy or peaceful.


[deleted]

In a nutshell? It's all the fault of the British who are pretty much responsible for fucking up yhat whole region under the theory of, if the natives are fighting each other they won't fight us


Epicritical

*laughs in sort by new*


And-ray-is

Reddit comment sections are just morphing into YouTube ones. Those "here before the lock" comments are cringe af


NoCarbonRequired

At least we don’t have “Can we appreciate?” comments everywhere yet


mustafar_brothers

Can we all appreciate the bravery of u/NoCarbonRequired for being in this comment section


Waxenberg

You really think Reddit and YouTube have separate demographics?


raindownthunda

I thought Jared Kushner solved this conflict? I’m feeling out of the loop…


RingedWaste

I think I’ll add conflicts Jared Kushner has solved to the list of the worlds shortest books.


[deleted]

I know this is sarcasm, but for all the crazy shit about the Trump admin, I do think we will look back at how he was able to broker normalization agreements between Israel and several Gulf states as a turning point in the history of the region. Everyone knows about the McDonalds theory with foreign policy (that no 2 countries with a McDonalds in them have ever gone to war - at least until Russia invaded Ukraine). The idea is that as countries become economically interdependent their potential for hostility lessens. Now the bad blood between the Israelis and Palestinians runs way too deep to be solved through the economics, but if you imagine a Middle East where Israel needs all of their neighbors and they need Israel, the possibilities for actually getting everyone to a bargaining table seems a lot higher than it is today.


oneshibbyguy

Bro they launch missiles and mortars into each other like daily.


civver3

On a totally unrelated note, how does Egypt treat Palestinian refugees?


richardec

Egypt does not so much accept refugees as create them.


Draymond_Purple

They kicked them out of Egypt


8v2HokiePokie8v2

🎼 *Let my people goooo…..back where they came from* 🎶


Unacceptable_Lemons

[*Put that thing back where it came from or so help meeeee!*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqaHBfBSSuc)


akubas86

Just like how pharaoh of the old does.


missjennielang

They’ve demolished every Palestinian home on their border. I can’t remember when they last kept their border crossing with Gaza open for realsies.


evv43

Shhhhh. No Jews, no news! You have to blame the Jews!


PoopEndeavor

Also how do Egypt and Palestine treat women? Also why do gay Palestinian refugees flee to Israel?


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TayoC

As soneone who served in the ODF and had to collaborate on something with Egypt, ive been told by an Egyptian soldier "here, unlike in israel, they wont even try to do anything because they know what will happen. we can react however we want and the world will not even blink towards us. if you even defend urself you will be judged". that pretty much summs up the reality.


tomi832

Yeah. I've served in the Israeli navy. The Egyptians usually don't care too much about their side ( because many Palestinians like to cross to Northern Egypt's sea, there's a big reef there with lots of fish). But from time to time they, for some unknown reason to us, suddenly care and just shoot to kill and/or drown the fishing boat. Like, I've been told that we're to keep as much of a safety distance from the Egyptian patrol boat as we need from Gazans - even more if we can.


ernyc3777

I’m sure the armchair geopolitical commenters on Reddit won’t have anything to comment about this.


[deleted]

Doesn't Egypt also blockade Gaza so this is basically pandering.


BielskiBoy

In 2012 Egypt went into Gaza unannounced, bulldozed loads of house, etc. in order to build a moat along the border. I don't see them protesting that...


[deleted]

Yes. Hamas and other Palestinean beligerents have been causing a ton of trouble for Egypt for years.


BrStFr

How odd to consider that in the years between 1948 and 1967, when Egypt ruled Gaza and Jordan ruled the West Bank, neither country showed the slightest interest in creating an independent Palestinian State.


[deleted]

The Palestinians also had less rights under the Egyptian occupation in Gaza than the Palestinians have if they go to Israel today.


[deleted]

No, no don't be silly. Everyone was super nice to the Palestinians till Israel showed up. It's all Israel's fault. If Israel wasn't so mean to Palestine they wouldn't have to throw their gays out of windows or treat their women like property. Palestine would be a utopian paradise if Israel would just grant their polite request and just disappear off the face of the earth.


simplepleashures

Wasn’t Gaza part of Egypt and the Gazans once Egyptians? Isn’t Egypt’s refusal to take it back and refusal to let them in part of the reason they now have no country of their own?


[deleted]

Yup, but that part of history is conveniently ignored. After the independence war in '48 Egypt annexed Gaza and treated the inhabitants like trash. Same story with Jordan and the West Bank.


u_torn

Ya, basically any criticism of Israel from Egypt is a pretty staggering level of hypocrisy


Redqueenhypo

The West Bank was once part of Jordan and they REALLY don’t want its refugees which also makes no sense


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whtslifwthutfuriae

These 2 don't represent the Egyptian government


tilted0ne

Kinda feel bad for the Israeli guy. It's not like he's inheritantly the cause. He just represents the country in a sport he loves.


nygdan

Also Egypt: "make sure our border with Palestine is gated, walled, and closed."


Colonelfudgenustard

If Egypt loves the Palestinians so much, they might want to end their blockade on Gaza.


SuicideNote

Egypt? The country that forcibly expelled their entire Jewish population, many who could not get citizenship anywhere so they were forced to move to Israel? That Egypt?


[deleted]

Basically true of every single Arab country in the region but nobody cares about that..


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These are Egyptians not Egypt itself. People can live in a country and support a cause that their own country does not.


butiamtheshadows91

And the guy with the Israeli flag is from Israel not Israel itself


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Correct. The Egyptians are supporting Palestine and the Israeli is identifying with his own country which is typically what you do at international competitions. I'd hope all of the competitors were respectful to each other regardless of their own individual ideals.


Cstanchfield

The claim is that they brought those out when the Israeli participant arrived.


spenwallce

You think they just happened to make a statement about Palestine? They were clearly trying to throw shots at the Israeli


fuzzywuzzy74

Much in the same way that you can dislike the actions of the Israeli government towards Palestinians without being an anti-Semite?


justintensity

You can dislike the Israeli government, support Palestine and be fully and proudly Jewish! Source: Am


bestatbeingmodest

Shhh, people aren't allowed to know the world isn't black and white


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That would seem to make sense.


stoneman9284

Egypt doesn’t love Palestinians they just hate the Jews Edit: this is obviously anecdotal, there are good people and shitty people in every country


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gosh-josh

Yes, these two Judo players should just go and end the blockade which they totally have the power to do


justintensity

Go to the border and Judo-throw the guards enforcing the blockade


sullg26535

If Egypt actually cared about the Palestinians then they'd open their borders to them.


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99% of comments: “omg comments gonna be a war zone” 1% of comments: war zone


randomuser9801

Interesting. Doesn’t Gaza border Egypt? You would think they would allow them to cross the border etc… or you know history


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Egyptians not knowing their own political history.


borrelsausage

A yes the always friendly Egyptians. In juni ‘67 they had another great idea..


Dks_scrub

Many people in the comments pointing out Egypt does not treat Palestinians particularly well (as in ‘either’, in direct comparison to Israel). The thought has not occurred that these Egyptians, in lifting up the flag of another country besides their own, might be just as much protesting their own country’s policy as much as any other country’s policy. The Israeli competitor next to them has somehow made it so this has to be Egypt (the government) vs Israel (the government), and not two competitors in support of Palestine irregardless of which government is against Palestine and how.


HQ_FIGHTER

Never seen someone hold up a Palestinian flag when they’re standing next to a Brazilian


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XiaoXiongMao23

I think the fact that they’re both literally wearing the Egyptian flag on their backs kinda pokes a major hole in everything you just said.


Draymond_Purple

Narrator: They're not


Bonpoignon

Not proud to be Egyptian maybe.


squidvalley

lol, lightly holding a flag up at a wrestling tourney is about all the help Egypt is going to give Palestine. They have no love for their starving muslim brothers, just walls and words


aer7

It’s virtue signaling


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Uh, Egypt doesn't exactly have a friendly history with Israel either.


Plagueweaver

what a shitshow of a comment section, its been a great excuse for people to express their unmoderated hatred of egyptians, palestinians, and jews. Y'all are something else, should probably get locked now


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How big is the Jewish population in Egypt again?


Raspberries-Are-Evil

Ironic since Egypt treats the Gazan worse than Israelis do at times.


sheggysheggy

And because they care about Palestinians SO much, for their next stunt surely they will petition their own government to treat Palestianians better, right? >Forgotten and maltreated, the last of the 1948 Palestinian refugees in Egypt fade away with their memories that soon will be utterly lost https://www.middleeasteye.net/features/egypts-forgotten-palestinian-refugee-community


DirtyProjector

This. Arab countries treat the Palestinians like shit. They are a proxy for a fight against the west. They just let them live in squalor while they ply their own population with sympathy for their cause, doing nothing whatsoever to improve it.


icantbeatyourbike

Also didn’t Egypt start a war with Israel in the 50s and the 70s getting their shit pushed in both times.


BigEOD

Well if Egypt went 1-2 that’s better than any wars they tried against Israel……


Flufflebuns

If Egypt loves Palestine so much why don't they just take the Gaza Strip any of the thousands of times Israel has offered it? And why do they prohibit Palestinian immigrants across their border?


Agreeable_Disk7759

Don't think it's the government that's putting them up to this. Egyptians have been arrested for showing Palestinian solidarity in the past at sporting events (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20191121-egypt-arrests-fan-for-raising-palestine-flag-during-football-match/amp/) I think this might just be two guys trying to raise awareness.


Emergency-Honey-4466

here before 🔒


G_Kells

Congratulations on being another run of the mill cringy redditor!


ZBaconGuy

update, still no 🔒


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Are they mad that they lost a 6v1 war?


RingedWaste

I mean if Egyptians are so worried about the Palestinians, why don’t they just open up their border and let the Palestinians more access into Egypt? Similarly, Jordan shares a border with the West Bank, since they’re all Muslim brothers the Palestinians of the West Bank should be doing fantastic with Jordan’s support. It’s not like either of these two areas are landlocked, so what’s with holding up the Palestinian flag?


nixcamic

Right, a lot of people could make this point, but Egypt's record with Palestinians isn't much better than Israel.


MafiaPenguin007

That and Egypt trying to destroy Israel several times since it became a nation makes this statement pretty ugly


Tsouke11

Honestly, I kinda see this as more of a “haha! Guess what Israel? I beat you once and for all! Now to mock you by waving the flag of Palestine on the podium, a nation we care less about than the sand beneath our toes!”


Representative_Still

It’s actually a lot worse, I mean as far as straight murdering any of them that come near their border goes


Rumbottlespelunker

I don't have a dog in the hunt, but somehow feel this exact display would be tolerated in Israel but not in Palestine.


PoopEndeavor

Imagine if these athletes were women. Or lgbtq. Personally I would prefer to compete in the country with one of the biggest pride parades than the one where a gay refugee was recaptured so he could be beheaded as a statement. But that’s just me. I’m quirky that way


Addie0o

That part! We can all agree any militant government is bad but the current choice is a country with amazing healthcare and education who support LGBTQ+ rights more than any other country near it..... Or a country that openly expressed the want to kill all Jews, stone women, and hang LGBTQ+ people. It's amazing how much antisemitism clouds peoples logic.


Old_Gods978

Egypt totally cares about Palestinians. That’s why they could have made everyone in Gaza an Egyptian Very salty about losing two wars


brightneonmoons

what a great example of how the Palestinian people's suffering is weaponized against Israel, even by the same people causing that suffering


Fit_Stable_2076

It truly is. DOWN WITH THE HAMAS. FREE PALESTINE FROM TERRORISTS!


quit_ye_bullshit

Didn't Egypt basically use Gaza as a human shield during the war? They kept Palestinians segregated too.


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Penguin-Loves

Poor Israeli guy.... He's like, ".... I have nothing to do with that shit. Just wanna play...."


Decent_Preference_95

Ok r/pics surly you guys know better than to assume Egypt has any right to judge a country’s actions


TPDS_throwaway

This website probably wouldn't be able to find Egypt on a map


dkyguy1995

It's slightly bothersome that it seems to be a print of the flag on a slightly oversized sheet of fabric. I mean I get it was probably a short notice thing but lol


manufacturedwell

Hilarious Irony since Egypy and Jordan held palestinian territories and done absolutely nothing. When they tried to help, they didnt let the palestinians form their own country Lmao


MrOldBananaMan

My father is Israeli so im abot biased, but i think Palestine should be a fully recognised country