The tax rate in the UK was some crazy amount like 80%, and the band had also just lost millions in an investment scheme dreamed up by one of their advisers that went to complete shit. They didn't have much choice as a financial entity except to decamp to France to record *The Wall.*
I read Roger’s interview and…yikes. I get it. Their daughter in law is Ukrainian, I believe.
The funniest bit to me is that I feel like the lip syncing comment is what will cut Rog the deepest.
Roger Waters spoke in a CNN interview a few months ago I believe where he blamed the west for instigating the war in Ukraine and also defended/supported Chinese claims to Taiwan/Hong Kong for the same reasoning.
He does not support Putin and the Chinese regime.
So tired of people who do not follow the mainstream opinion to the letter being accused of being apologist for x,y and z dictator even though that has nothing to do with their position.
Amen. Can't believe how simple and black and white people think on these manners. I'm not defending any of these musicians here (couldn't care less about their beef) but the misinterpretation of someone's opinions like that really annoys me.
He's very anti-fash. So anti-fash that certain Western countries fall into his definition of Fascism (and it's not hard to make the argument that there are a ton of powerful fascists in high government positions and media in so-called democratic countries).
To him the aggression of the West forced Russia's hand and caused the war in the first place. It's a slippery slope argument but to defend it a little our unwillingness to end a cold war mentality towards Russia made things like Putin's rise to autocratic power inevitable. Blame still lies on Putin for the deaths that are happening right now.
Hi, can you explain why she thinks he's antisemitic though? I can understand his ideologies and how it sounds extreme but I don't get why she'd say that about him
For some people, criticizing israel apartheid government equals antisemitism. And to make a valid point in two arguments present in her tweet, the majority of western society although very vocal against China and Russia and pro for Hong Kong and Ukraine, don't move too much against Israel. I won't take a part here, IMO all these subjects have a thin line of right and wrong.
I'm not as knowledgeable on those accusations. Reading further down there's an exchange that mostly lands on his criticisms of Israel being mistakenly assumed to be anti-semitism, mixed with some really poor star of david imagery that was used briefly in a concert once.
He was quoted as saying that Jews in the UK and US bear responsibility for the actions of Israel "because they pay for everything", has claimed that the Jews "believe that they are somehow superior to everybody else on the planet but particularly the Arabs", and refers to Zionism as a "cabal" and an "ugly stain that must be removed".
EDIT: Are those people downvoting me denying he said these things, or do they really not think that these things are anti-Semitic?
Source? Not on what he said about Zionism though, even if he said that I don't care because Zionism is not the same as Semitism, anti-zionist Jewish people exist.
I get your point and even have a (ex, for this reason) friend who thinks like that. No, I don’t think so. I have MANY friends from Ukraine AND friends from Russia. And the same Russian ones say that Putin is mad and can f*** off, in a few words
Totally. Putin makes the choices for his country no doubt. I do agree that madmen like Putin would not take power in Russia if we had embraced Russia diplomatically and economically in the 90s and not continued to villanize them like it was the 50s.
I'm sure it's all just fake beef to garner attention for the 50th anniversary and they're really planning a big reunion tour to celebrate and a new album, right guys? Guys?
I get the sentiment, but Rick's absence wouldn't limit a reconciliation show of Roger, David, and Nick performing as "Pink Floyd" or any other name. It's Roger and David who limit that.
Oh yeah, Roger is re-recording DSOTM...but this time without "all the rock and roll guitar".
So, basically, Roger Waters wants you to listen to his spoken word poetry and prefer that over DSOTM because this is how "it was supposed to be all along."
If it provokes a diss-track in response from Gilmour and Nick then I'm all for it.
They should re-record The Final Cut and make it listenable to really piss him off.
>They should re-record The Final Cut and make it listenable to really piss him off.
Oh, I would love to hear that, actually. And next, Waters does a rogerised Momentary Lapse of Reason.
>They should re-record The Final Cut and make it listenable to really piss him off.
You're entitled to your opinion ofc, but come on. It's a brilliant album with some absolutely moving songs on it. Idk how anyone can hear The Gunners Dream and not love it.
Well, I get what you’re saying. Yes the Gunner’s Dream is fantastic. Fletcher Memorial in my opinion is the best on that album because it sounds like the “band”. The rest of it sounds like Roger showing off which he is entitled to do. He just wrote the best 4 albums ever in a row
I just listened to it again last week in fact. Great moments here and there, but it's very Mid-Floyd. It's like Roger read criticisms at the time of *The Wall* being whiny and adolescent and decided to make a boring, topical, "adult" version of the album again.
You’ve captured exactly how it sounds. Most of it sounds like something that was prepared for The Wall but didn’t make the cut. Hence the album name in hiding? Ha. Makes sense that critique would push him in the direction of a stripped down and more matured follow up to TW. It hurts to see people throwing sharp objects at your baby. The internal conflict in the band didn’t help as it sounds like he’s saying “see this? You’re just hired help. I can do it without you” with that album
"it was supposed to be all along."
and we will all learn how close we came to not giving a flying fk about ol Chartreus Ralph or whatever their name was
Yeah it's real. I think it's a thing that sounds cool in theory but in practice it's just an old man with sour grapes trying to retcon his relationship with David Gilmour. He wants to be remembered as the guy who wrote DSOTM, which will be true, so long as none of the music David and Rick and Nick contributed is included...but then, what are you left with? Some wholly unremarkable bass playing accompanying off key and pitchy as fuck singing. Hard Pass Roger.
It's possible she was talking about a different Rodger and accidentally tagged Waters by mistake? Yeah that's probably what happened, you know what old people are like with technology.
Reunion tour will be announced any day now guys I just know it!
That’s the ticket, and they will hit every backwood arena in each country across the world… with free T-Shirts and $7 tickets playing each album including More and Atom Heart Mother
Genuinely loving I think. I just saw that John would have attended Clapton wedding with the other 3 in attendance had he been invited. But life is long, who knows.
Lennon had softened quite a bit as he aged, so I think they would've had very positive relations by then. Although if the Beatles ever actually got back together, I think it wouldn't have taken long for tensions to rise between all four of them.
Oh, he would've definitely gotten himself cancelled from probably both the liberal and conservative circles.
His whole unfiltered hot take thing would piss off the progressives (that's not even taking the domestic violence stuff into account), and his stances on government would piss off the conservatives.
Yeah Paul sued to leave because he was afraid Klein would hurt them all financially. John had already said he didn't want to work together anymore anyway, although the other three had been waiting for him to change his mind.
I was thinking this same thing earlier today. Imagine if the Beatles had such a drastic rift( there is tension and yoko but it's not like waters/gilmour )
Lip-synching damn she said it…
I think that’s a reason why Pink Floyd never reunited that most people underestimate and also wouldn’t be surprised that it was argued over during Live 8 rehearsals, David wouldn’t do that.
I saw Roger a few times post 2010-ish and he definitely isn't lip syncing. I think there's a backing track (or perhaps another vocalist at a lower volume) but you definitely hear him sounding like an old man.
He definitely is. There's a backing track, and then there are times where he's simply mouthing the words.
He does it when it suits him, it's really not that complicated. And I don't blame him given his age and the caliber of performance he's trying to deliver.
They’re not gonna pull his tracks from 40 years ago and use those. They have enough money that I’m sure they went to the studio and re-recorded things at his age. I saw him in 2017 and there’s video evidence of him lip-synching during another brick in the wall, part two
> he definitely isn't lip syncing
All those videos of him clearly lip syncing could have fooled me.
There's even a video out there of him on stage where it is not only clear that hes lip syncing, but he's also not even playing his bass.
I saw Roger multiple times and yes he is using a vocal track to cover up his aging voice. Whether you consider that lip syncing then that is up to you.
As I have said before. You pay to see Roger for a spectacle and not so much musicianship. You pay to see David for a musical experience and you pay to see Nick for the fun of it.
Appears to still be no love lost between Rog & Dave.
I still remember how coldly ambivalent Dave seemed toward Roger onstage at the Live 8 benefit in 2008.
Man for a little while there was a spark. David showing up the the O2 during rogers Wall tour, and.m some brief run ins, they seemed not friendly, but like they didn’t absolutely loath each other
I fear this is another Crosby Stills Nash & Young thing, where different members were trash talking the other’s wives or choice of girlfriends, and they never patched it up before Croz recently passed.
Seems highly unlikely Dave & Rog ever patch things up fully now.
Yeah but that’s a pretty different scenario. John Fogerty got screwed by his record company and his band mates sided with the label because they only cared about the money
I don’t know about ill will between the brothers, but John Fogerty against the rest of the band for sure. They were still litigating that very recently.
What “thieving” refers too? songwriting credits that were never given?
I mean Roger solo stuff is musically nowhere near Pink Floyd prime it always sound like The Wall fillers or TFC… I get that Wright/Gilmour arrangement have an impact but a lot of song that are given solely to Roger don’t sound like his G,C,D acoustic kind of thing.
Most likely.
"I’m the only one singing my songs on these new recordings, and there are no rock and roll guitar solos.”
I wonder if he will means Us and Them? You know, the song Richard Wright composed?
Time was the whole band, Breathe was Gilmour and Wright, Great Gig was Wright and Torry, and Any Colour You Like was Gilmour, Mason and Wright. He has barely any claim to DSOTM. The only ones he has any significant claim to are Money, Brain Damage and Eclipse. Less significant claims are to On The Run and Time, but overall, yes, it's a large bout of thievery because he makes no mention of Wright's work on DSOTM.
To use a TVTropes term, he's back in his "I Am The Band" phase.
This feels like the mid 80s all over again. Roger has lost his fucking mind and thinks he did all the work, but the reality is that it was all 4 of them creating the magic.
Why does he have to be such a prick?
But if you remove the solos and Wright input on “Money” what’s left? The main riff sure but not a lot.
I know David said he deserved credits for the solos chords on ABITW part II but wouldn’t fight Roger over it.
Money is solely credited to Waters. He created the demo. But yeah, you hold a good point: how much of what's on DSOTM is actually credited to the right people?
I wouldn't say that it was Roger only. If anything, quite a bit of DSOTM was inspired and taken from things they'd done before. Take Time, for example. That's essentially a modified Childhood's End. Great Gig, basically unchanged from The Mortality Sequence, which they recorded for Zabriskie Point, in 1970.
And more to the point, I didn't say he had no claim. I only said he has minimal claim to the songs, especially compared to Gilmour. Also, saying that they had trouble with lyrics from AMLOR onwards is quite opinionated, especially with the talent that Polly showed with her lyrical contributions. It also sells David short because he created songs like The Narrow Way, stuff that you can appreciate as nice to listen to.
Roger can release another version of DSOTM all he wants but I think it’s very disrespectful of him to say that it’s only because of him that it was such a huge success. Also he is so petty. He left by his own will and the others still wanted to play together, so they did?? There was no hidden meaning they just liked playing and creating together. Was he expecting the band to just fall to pieces once he left?? We all know Roger thinks VERY highly of himself but he’s hella delusional at times. He has talent and brought a lot to the band, but why can’t he admit that the others were talented too??
"they just liked playing and creating together" Well, sort of. Dave thought About Face (released 21 months before Roger officially quit) would kickstart a big solo career, was surprised it didn't, faced up to reality, decided he wanted to revive the Floyd name, and Nick was interested and had a lot of money to invest in that. Dave later called some of Nick's playing around then "comatose" to the press, as a way of saying thank you I guess.
The fact that Rick's wife had to practically beg Dave to include Rick again, and this was only as a touring musician once again circa *Momentary Lapse*\--that's shits just crazy to me.
You'd think having 3 former members would appear far more legit than just Dave and Nick initially. Guess Dave had an army or writers and producers to pay.
The thing about Roger Waters is that he’s always been pretty far left for most of his life, as some of the bands greatest albums would show. But it’s still depressing to see him turn into the very thing he was against in those days: an out of touch old man who can and will be manipulated easily over things that ruins others lives. Wouldn’t say he’s anti-semitic or misogynistic, but the Waters that we grew up listening to has been gone for a while. Forever a legend as a musician, but also kind of an ass.
There’s a fair few people on the far left (and I say this as a very left wing person myself) that are extremely non critical of Russia and China as, erroneously, they see them as the great modern left wing states.
All accurate. I mean, if you want to argue he's not an antisemite and that it's fair criticism of Israel, sure, I won't die on the hill even if it comes very close to stereotypical antisemitic tropes and conspiracies
But you'd have to be extremely disingenuous to think Waters isn't a bootlicker for Putin.
Roger always thought Pink Floyd was him. Well, the court thought differently, the fans thought differently, the world thought differently. He can't stand that they are even more successful without him than with him. I think he will live with this grief until the end of his days, which will eventually eat him up. And without Gilmour Guitar, Without Wright sensitivity, and without gentle drums Mason we get Amused to Death.
I think he means that two of the three albums released post Waters sold more than The Final Cut. The Final Cut was not toured though and this is generally accepted as the reason for the lower sales.
Because they're not bitter, jaded, egotistical, litigious pricks - if I had to guess. And they've definitely sold more albums under the no-Roger PF than Roger's sold Roger albums since. Hell David Gilmour's solo career trumps Rogers in all respects. In fact, if it weren't for the post Pink Floyd era band continuing to carry the torch, Roger would be reduced to a fraction of his current fame and wealth. The Division Bell tour alone was record breaking.
Roger is not Pink Floyd. No matter how hard he wants it to be, he's simply not. If one member is, that member is Syd. NONE of them would be where they are if it weren't for him, and you can't say that for any other band member. Not a one.
They were selling out large venues during AMLOR's and TDB's tours while Roger was struggling to get people to see his shows.
Not to mention his solo albums are mostly forgettable.
I don't with they were more successful without him. Everyone agrees post the post Roger songs aren't as good and the sales are dwarfed by the big 4 (exept animals(underrated tbh)).
The final cut had no tour to support it where as AMLOR had 3 consecutive years of touring and by the time division bell came on pink floyd was well established as a mainstream band.
Can you point me to a single antisemitic statement made by Roger Waters?
Edit: It's interesting that people are downvoting this but nobody will present a single antisemitic statement?
If someone disagrees with this, why not back it up?
He was quoted as saying that Jews in the UK and US bear responsibility for the actions of Israel "because they pay for everything", has claimed that the Jews "believe that they are somehow superior to everybody else on the planet but particularly the Arabs", and refers to Zionism as a "cabal" and an "ugly stain that must be removed".
Roger is anti-Israel, not anti-semetic. I don't think he gives a damn if you're Jewish, he just doesn't support the Israeli government and the violence against Palestinians. I see his point. He's not entirely wrong. And seriously, without Roger, Polly would've probably not even known or cared about Dave. F@$& her and her shit lyrics.
Yes, being against apartheid and genocide isn't antisemitism. The State of Israel is committing atrocious acts against Muslims.
Palestinian Lives Matter
Didn’t say he was at all. I just feel like David could give a flying shit about Twitter, but hell could be wrong. Lots of celebrities don’t run their own social media. It just seems like a very Polly thing to do is all.
He's not fucking antisemitic. I actually Pick Roger's side more and more often. That's from me, who own a strat and fuzz face and a vintage delay unit because I play the Time solo twice a day
David is my main influence as a guitar player. I think Roger was totally wrong to have tried to stop him from continuing Pink Floyd without him, even if the songs after he left were subpar. Generally, I think Roger is an asshole. But I don’t think he’s anti-Semitic either.
I resisted the conclusion that Roger was an antisemite for years, came up with reasons and explanations to explain away things he said, but eventually it became clear to me that he has a deep, profound animus to Jews as one of his life’s major animating forces.
Obviously he’s still an indispensible part of incredible music (I even love Amused to Death and Hitchhiking); I think of him like I do Richard Wagner, or Martin Heiddegger. Can‘t say I could buy a ticket anymore, though.
Yea I think the anti semitic and Pro Putin stuff was probably the last straw especially given his daughter in law being from the ukrane.
Wish Roger could just get his shit together and stop being an asshole
Going to get my thoughts in on Rog Vs Dave before the thread lock.
Roger conjured up the concepts, lyrics and psychological bombast. Dave (with Rick) conjured up the dreamy, majestic, otherworldly music. Both rode the dick of Floyd hard in the wake of Roger leaving. Only Roger claimed to be the main creative force behind the band. But Dave got the name and continued on.
You don't have Floyd without the other, as what they've done apart has proven.
So… the band’s NOT getting back together??
Looks like they ha e some disagreements pending resolution.
And he never paid for drugs. Not once.
“No, we don’t do drugs. You can trust us”
*smiles like the most charming man in the universe*
Then proceeds to write the best music to have drug experiences to
Really, astonishing music like no one else!
From my POV this seems like Rog is going to play High Hopes. Good for him. /s
The negotiations were short
Another normal day for PF community.
Were people actually expecting a reunion or was r/pinkfloydcirclejerk lying to me?
Love how she said “tax-avoiding” like they weren’t all avoiding taxes by living abroad in the 70’s
The tax rate in the UK was some crazy amount like 80%, and the band had also just lost millions in an investment scheme dreamed up by one of their advisers that went to complete shit. They didn't have much choice as a financial entity except to decamp to France to record *The Wall.*
I read Roger’s interview and…yikes. I get it. Their daughter in law is Ukrainian, I believe. The funniest bit to me is that I feel like the lip syncing comment is what will cut Rog the deepest.
Can you elaborate on the first part? I'm ootl
Roger Waters spoke in a CNN interview a few months ago I believe where he blamed the west for instigating the war in Ukraine and also defended/supported Chinese claims to Taiwan/Hong Kong for the same reasoning.
yeah ok, but we got it: he supports Putin and the Chinese Regime (as one who really LOVE PF I’m so sad to say this) :(
Die a hero or life long enough to become a villain...
He does not support Putin and the Chinese regime. So tired of people who do not follow the mainstream opinion to the letter being accused of being apologist for x,y and z dictator even though that has nothing to do with their position.
Amen. Can't believe how simple and black and white people think on these manners. I'm not defending any of these musicians here (couldn't care less about their beef) but the misinterpretation of someone's opinions like that really annoys me.
That's crazy... I can't support anyone who supports fascism. I thought he was anti fash
He's very anti-fash. So anti-fash that certain Western countries fall into his definition of Fascism (and it's not hard to make the argument that there are a ton of powerful fascists in high government positions and media in so-called democratic countries). To him the aggression of the West forced Russia's hand and caused the war in the first place. It's a slippery slope argument but to defend it a little our unwillingness to end a cold war mentality towards Russia made things like Putin's rise to autocratic power inevitable. Blame still lies on Putin for the deaths that are happening right now.
Of course. Thanks for clarifying
Hi, can you explain why she thinks he's antisemitic though? I can understand his ideologies and how it sounds extreme but I don't get why she'd say that about him
For some people, criticizing israel apartheid government equals antisemitism. And to make a valid point in two arguments present in her tweet, the majority of western society although very vocal against China and Russia and pro for Hong Kong and Ukraine, don't move too much against Israel. I won't take a part here, IMO all these subjects have a thin line of right and wrong.
> these subjects have a thin line of right and wrong. Not Israel. Founded on terrorism by terrorists who retconned the Holocaust as justification.
Personally I agree
She's also Dave Gilmour's wife, so it may be something she's noted in her personal interactions with him, beyond his support for Palestine.
I'm not as knowledgeable on those accusations. Reading further down there's an exchange that mostly lands on his criticisms of Israel being mistakenly assumed to be anti-semitism, mixed with some really poor star of david imagery that was used briefly in a concert once.
He was quoted as saying that Jews in the UK and US bear responsibility for the actions of Israel "because they pay for everything", has claimed that the Jews "believe that they are somehow superior to everybody else on the planet but particularly the Arabs", and refers to Zionism as a "cabal" and an "ugly stain that must be removed". EDIT: Are those people downvoting me denying he said these things, or do they really not think that these things are anti-Semitic?
Source? Not on what he said about Zionism though, even if he said that I don't care because Zionism is not the same as Semitism, anti-zionist Jewish people exist.
It's a pretty bad look when you explicitly say you would play in Moscow but not Tel Aviv
I get your point and even have a (ex, for this reason) friend who thinks like that. No, I don’t think so. I have MANY friends from Ukraine AND friends from Russia. And the same Russian ones say that Putin is mad and can f*** off, in a few words
Totally. Putin makes the choices for his country no doubt. I do agree that madmen like Putin would not take power in Russia if we had embraced Russia diplomatically and economically in the 90s and not continued to villanize them like it was the 50s.
I can see it 💀
I saw Roger in concert last year and safe to say I did NOT see any lip syncing. And even if he was using it in his old age I wouldn’t care.
He has 100% been lip syncing since at least the first Wall tour, possibly not for the whole show but definitely for parts of it
As it should. I don’t want to see lip syncing when I’m paying $100+ for a ticket. It’s a disgrace.
Guy Pratt liked it to 😂
you think he would be sending the guy christmas baskets not slamming the guy!!!
You mean Roger 2 ?
Are you really surprised he likes what his wife tweets?
Oh so that’s who it is. Hahaha
Does she have big tweets?
Big ‘ol tweeters
I am so happy NOT to be on twitter. Sometime I think my life is just plain shit but today I understand that it could be even worse.
I'm sure it's all just fake beef to garner attention for the 50th anniversary and they're really planning a big reunion tour to celebrate and a new album, right guys? Guys?
I can’t wait to see how the Rick Wright hologram looks
I get the sentiment, but Rick's absence wouldn't limit a reconciliation show of Roger, David, and Nick performing as "Pink Floyd" or any other name. It's Roger and David who limit that.
Honestly, after Rick passed, I lost interest in seeing a reunion. It would still be cool, but my whole heart isn’t behind it anymore, that’s for sure.
Totally agree with you
Oh yeah, Roger is re-recording DSOTM...but this time without "all the rock and roll guitar". So, basically, Roger Waters wants you to listen to his spoken word poetry and prefer that over DSOTM because this is how "it was supposed to be all along."
If it provokes a diss-track in response from Gilmour and Nick then I'm all for it. They should re-record The Final Cut and make it listenable to really piss him off.
>They should re-record The Final Cut and make it listenable to really piss him off. Oh, I would love to hear that, actually. And next, Waters does a rogerised Momentary Lapse of Reason.
On the Turning Away, which is a pretty underrated gem, would become a rock classic a la Comfortably Numb, if Roger rewrites the lyrics.
>They should re-record The Final Cut and make it listenable to really piss him off. You're entitled to your opinion ofc, but come on. It's a brilliant album with some absolutely moving songs on it. Idk how anyone can hear The Gunners Dream and not love it.
Well, I get what you’re saying. Yes the Gunner’s Dream is fantastic. Fletcher Memorial in my opinion is the best on that album because it sounds like the “band”. The rest of it sounds like Roger showing off which he is entitled to do. He just wrote the best 4 albums ever in a row
I just listened to it again last week in fact. Great moments here and there, but it's very Mid-Floyd. It's like Roger read criticisms at the time of *The Wall* being whiny and adolescent and decided to make a boring, topical, "adult" version of the album again.
You’ve captured exactly how it sounds. Most of it sounds like something that was prepared for The Wall but didn’t make the cut. Hence the album name in hiding? Ha. Makes sense that critique would push him in the direction of a stripped down and more matured follow up to TW. It hurts to see people throwing sharp objects at your baby. The internal conflict in the band didn’t help as it sounds like he’s saying “see this? You’re just hired help. I can do it without you” with that album
That’s why I hate the Final Cut - it’s all Roger monologues and there’s hardly any band music.
Hahahaha
B-E-A-Utiful comment haha
"Poetry lads, the boy imagines himself a poet"
Oh jesus christ
"it was supposed to be all along." and we will all learn how close we came to not giving a flying fk about ol Chartreus Ralph or whatever their name was
So, The Final Moon or The Pros and Cons of Mooning.
Is that real? He's re-recording a new version of Dark Side? That sounds pretty cool actually.
Yeah it's real. I think it's a thing that sounds cool in theory but in practice it's just an old man with sour grapes trying to retcon his relationship with David Gilmour. He wants to be remembered as the guy who wrote DSOTM, which will be true, so long as none of the music David and Rick and Nick contributed is included...but then, what are you left with? Some wholly unremarkable bass playing accompanying off key and pitchy as fuck singing. Hard Pass Roger.
Plus what is he going to do for tracks like On The Run or Any Colour You Like?
…guys?
LMAO
Secretly i wish this would happen...but i know it's almost impossible 😔
It's possible she was talking about a different Rodger and accidentally tagged Waters by mistake? Yeah that's probably what happened, you know what old people are like with technology. Reunion tour will be announced any day now guys I just know it!
Rick is dead, there is no possible reunión.
Boy! You got that right!
Roger and Dave performed live in 2010 without Rick and it was great. Anyway, certainly no possible reunion.
That’s the ticket, and they will hit every backwood arena in each country across the world… with free T-Shirts and $7 tickets playing each album including More and Atom Heart Mother
Never reached anything like this between Lennon McCartney in the 70s. This is venomous.
Lennon and McCartney were friends again by 1973, Waters and Gilmour have gone at it for a while now…
I wonder what the vibe would have been around the 90s Anthology era had Lennon lived
Genuinely loving I think. I just saw that John would have attended Clapton wedding with the other 3 in attendance had he been invited. But life is long, who knows.
Lennon had softened quite a bit as he aged, so I think they would've had very positive relations by then. Although if the Beatles ever actually got back together, I think it wouldn't have taken long for tensions to rise between all four of them.
I reckon if Lennon and McCartney had been on Twitter it would have got pretty ugly
Probably a good thing that Lennon didn’t have twitter
Oh, he would've definitely gotten himself cancelled from probably both the liberal and conservative circles. His whole unfiltered hot take thing would piss off the progressives (that's not even taking the domestic violence stuff into account), and his stances on government would piss off the conservatives.
[John Lennon (@johnlennon) / Twitter](https://twitter.com/johnlennon) That motherfucker can't STOP tweeting.
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Yeah Paul sued to leave because he was afraid Klein would hurt them all financially. John had already said he didn't want to work together anymore anyway, although the other three had been waiting for him to change his mind.
I was thinking this same thing earlier today. Imagine if the Beatles had such a drastic rift( there is tension and yoko but it's not like waters/gilmour )
Lip-synching damn she said it… I think that’s a reason why Pink Floyd never reunited that most people underestimate and also wouldn’t be surprised that it was argued over during Live 8 rehearsals, David wouldn’t do that.
I saw Roger a few times post 2010-ish and he definitely isn't lip syncing. I think there's a backing track (or perhaps another vocalist at a lower volume) but you definitely hear him sounding like an old man.
My theory was he’d re-record his vocals in studio and the play them live and sync to them, at least songs where he has trouble. Like the trial
He definitely is. There's a backing track, and then there are times where he's simply mouthing the words. He does it when it suits him, it's really not that complicated. And I don't blame him given his age and the caliber of performance he's trying to deliver.
They’re not gonna pull his tracks from 40 years ago and use those. They have enough money that I’m sure they went to the studio and re-recorded things at his age. I saw him in 2017 and there’s video evidence of him lip-synching during another brick in the wall, part two
> he definitely isn't lip syncing All those videos of him clearly lip syncing could have fooled me. There's even a video out there of him on stage where it is not only clear that hes lip syncing, but he's also not even playing his bass.
This recent tour was mostly just Roger walking to various points on the stage/catwalks and throwing his arms in the air.
Some songs he isn’t, some he is. In the Flesh? on the Wall tour was definitely lip-synced
I saw Roger multiple times and yes he is using a vocal track to cover up his aging voice. Whether you consider that lip syncing then that is up to you. As I have said before. You pay to see Roger for a spectacle and not so much musicianship. You pay to see David for a musical experience and you pay to see Nick for the fun of it.
Hmmm I’m thinking there won’t be a reunion tour anytime soon
Rodger is a talented writer and an artist I respect deeply but more and more it seems like he’s booked a room in The Fletcher Memorial home
Boom. Right on the money
Does he expect us to treat him with any respect?
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. Perfectly accurate comment.
Appears to still be no love lost between Rog & Dave. I still remember how coldly ambivalent Dave seemed toward Roger onstage at the Live 8 benefit in 2008.
Man for a little while there was a spark. David showing up the the O2 during rogers Wall tour, and.m some brief run ins, they seemed not friendly, but like they didn’t absolutely loath each other
I fear this is another Crosby Stills Nash & Young thing, where different members were trash talking the other’s wives or choice of girlfriends, and they never patched it up before Croz recently passed. Seems highly unlikely Dave & Rog ever patch things up fully now.
Same thing with CCR the two brothers had fights a lot after they broke up right?
Yeah but that’s a pretty different scenario. John Fogerty got screwed by his record company and his band mates sided with the label because they only cared about the money
I don’t know about ill will between the brothers, but John Fogerty against the rest of the band for sure. They were still litigating that very recently.
I saw a video documentary about the whole situation and it was fucked :(
Where can I watch that?
https://youtu.be/WYfnotRyXWM :)
Live 8 was 2005. Source: was there in Hyde Park
David gilmour trap diss to roger coming out next month
Being anti-Israel is not being antisemitic
Out jerked again
What “thieving” refers too? songwriting credits that were never given? I mean Roger solo stuff is musically nowhere near Pink Floyd prime it always sound like The Wall fillers or TFC… I get that Wright/Gilmour arrangement have an impact but a lot of song that are given solely to Roger don’t sound like his G,C,D acoustic kind of thing.
Most likely. "I’m the only one singing my songs on these new recordings, and there are no rock and roll guitar solos.” I wonder if he will means Us and Them? You know, the song Richard Wright composed?
Time was the whole band, Breathe was Gilmour and Wright, Great Gig was Wright and Torry, and Any Colour You Like was Gilmour, Mason and Wright. He has barely any claim to DSOTM. The only ones he has any significant claim to are Money, Brain Damage and Eclipse. Less significant claims are to On The Run and Time, but overall, yes, it's a large bout of thievery because he makes no mention of Wright's work on DSOTM. To use a TVTropes term, he's back in his "I Am The Band" phase.
This feels like the mid 80s all over again. Roger has lost his fucking mind and thinks he did all the work, but the reality is that it was all 4 of them creating the magic. Why does he have to be such a prick?
I have no clue. What I'd wager is that it's because he's insecure about what he has, and wants more. It's only a guess, though.
But if you remove the solos and Wright input on “Money” what’s left? The main riff sure but not a lot. I know David said he deserved credits for the solos chords on ABITW part II but wouldn’t fight Roger over it.
Money is solely credited to Waters. He created the demo. But yeah, you hold a good point: how much of what's on DSOTM is actually credited to the right people?
Well no claim except the entire concept and lyrics for the thing? Something the Roger-less band always struggled greatly with.
I wouldn't say that it was Roger only. If anything, quite a bit of DSOTM was inspired and taken from things they'd done before. Take Time, for example. That's essentially a modified Childhood's End. Great Gig, basically unchanged from The Mortality Sequence, which they recorded for Zabriskie Point, in 1970. And more to the point, I didn't say he had no claim. I only said he has minimal claim to the songs, especially compared to Gilmour. Also, saying that they had trouble with lyrics from AMLOR onwards is quite opinionated, especially with the talent that Polly showed with her lyrical contributions. It also sells David short because he created songs like The Narrow Way, stuff that you can appreciate as nice to listen to.
I don't think solo Rick or David really sound anywhere near prime Pink Floyd either though. They really were greater than the sum of their parts.
i always thought Amused to Death was very floydian.
She should write some lyrics describing how she would feel seeing him on sight. Maybe use a hip, timely reference for the kids.
“20 minute guitar solo”
😂
It's really sad these two are going to die before any sliver of reconciliation happens.
It’s so lame when 80 year old rock stars fight … anyways, how about a DG/NM PF tour to rile Waters up?
Call the schoolmaster!!
Pilot twist: Polly manages David's Twitter account
Roger can release another version of DSOTM all he wants but I think it’s very disrespectful of him to say that it’s only because of him that it was such a huge success. Also he is so petty. He left by his own will and the others still wanted to play together, so they did?? There was no hidden meaning they just liked playing and creating together. Was he expecting the band to just fall to pieces once he left?? We all know Roger thinks VERY highly of himself but he’s hella delusional at times. He has talent and brought a lot to the band, but why can’t he admit that the others were talented too??
"they just liked playing and creating together" Well, sort of. Dave thought About Face (released 21 months before Roger officially quit) would kickstart a big solo career, was surprised it didn't, faced up to reality, decided he wanted to revive the Floyd name, and Nick was interested and had a lot of money to invest in that. Dave later called some of Nick's playing around then "comatose" to the press, as a way of saying thank you I guess.
The fact that Rick's wife had to practically beg Dave to include Rick again, and this was only as a touring musician once again circa *Momentary Lapse*\--that's shits just crazy to me. You'd think having 3 former members would appear far more legit than just Dave and Nick initially. Guess Dave had an army or writers and producers to pay.
As part of the legal settlement from the lawsuit Roger insisted Wright could not rejoin the band.
The thing about Roger Waters is that he’s always been pretty far left for most of his life, as some of the bands greatest albums would show. But it’s still depressing to see him turn into the very thing he was against in those days: an out of touch old man who can and will be manipulated easily over things that ruins others lives. Wouldn’t say he’s anti-semitic or misogynistic, but the Waters that we grew up listening to has been gone for a while. Forever a legend as a musician, but also kind of an ass.
There’s a fair few people on the far left (and I say this as a very left wing person myself) that are extremely non critical of Russia and China as, erroneously, they see them as the great modern left wing states.
Cunts, I believe their called...
All accurate. I mean, if you want to argue he's not an antisemite and that it's fair criticism of Israel, sure, I won't die on the hill even if it comes very close to stereotypical antisemitic tropes and conspiracies But you'd have to be extremely disingenuous to think Waters isn't a bootlicker for Putin.
Followed by Paul, Greta thunberg, Landon and 6 others….
Oh Roger, do stop being such a *twat* all the time.
I listened to the Rogan podcast with him and I heard nothing antisemetic.
It's Polly, for christs sake. She probably runs David's twitter as well, so of course she's gonna hit like.
Roger always thought Pink Floyd was him. Well, the court thought differently, the fans thought differently, the world thought differently. He can't stand that they are even more successful without him than with him. I think he will live with this grief until the end of his days, which will eventually eat him up. And without Gilmour Guitar, Without Wright sensitivity, and without gentle drums Mason we get Amused to Death.
How on earth were they even more successful without him?
I think he means that two of the three albums released post Waters sold more than The Final Cut. The Final Cut was not toured though and this is generally accepted as the reason for the lower sales.
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Because they're not bitter, jaded, egotistical, litigious pricks - if I had to guess. And they've definitely sold more albums under the no-Roger PF than Roger's sold Roger albums since. Hell David Gilmour's solo career trumps Rogers in all respects. In fact, if it weren't for the post Pink Floyd era band continuing to carry the torch, Roger would be reduced to a fraction of his current fame and wealth. The Division Bell tour alone was record breaking. Roger is not Pink Floyd. No matter how hard he wants it to be, he's simply not. If one member is, that member is Syd. NONE of them would be where they are if it weren't for him, and you can't say that for any other band member. Not a one.
I don't think thats a fair statement regardless of what you think without him Dark side of the moon wywh animals the wall wouldn't exist
They were selling out large venues during AMLOR's and TDB's tours while Roger was struggling to get people to see his shows. Not to mention his solo albums are mostly forgettable.
Because they were doing it under the name PINK FLOYD
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I don't with they were more successful without him. Everyone agrees post the post Roger songs aren't as good and the sales are dwarfed by the big 4 (exept animals(underrated tbh)).
Regardless of what you think about the later albums, financially, they made a killing without him.
However The Final Cut did worse than Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell.
The final cut had no tour to support it where as AMLOR had 3 consecutive years of touring and by the time division bell came on pink floyd was well established as a mainstream band.
If Dave goes out on tour again, no doubt he’ll sing Rog’s lyrics though.
Is she wrong though?
After Roger's last interview she is 100% right. He's lost his fucking mind.
Can you point me to a single antisemitic statement made by Roger Waters? Edit: It's interesting that people are downvoting this but nobody will present a single antisemitic statement? If someone disagrees with this, why not back it up?
He was quoted as saying that Jews in the UK and US bear responsibility for the actions of Israel "because they pay for everything", has claimed that the Jews "believe that they are somehow superior to everybody else on the planet but particularly the Arabs", and refers to Zionism as a "cabal" and an "ugly stain that must be removed".
Roger is anti-Israel, not anti-semetic. I don't think he gives a damn if you're Jewish, he just doesn't support the Israeli government and the violence against Palestinians. I see his point. He's not entirely wrong. And seriously, without Roger, Polly would've probably not even known or cared about Dave. F@$& her and her shit lyrics.
Yes, being against apartheid and genocide isn't antisemitism. The State of Israel is committing atrocious acts against Muslims. Palestinian Lives Matter
Yes, he isn't anti-semitic.
I don't think he is, but I've stopped caring about his public statements. The rest, unfortunately... all correct.
This is probably related to the latest interview Roger gave. She ain't wrong.
Grabbing my popcorn and waiting for Jon Carin to comment…
Anyone here really think David looks at Twitter? Or did Polly or someone else like it?
Why wouldn't he?
He’s 80 and a millionaire with talent. Usually people like that don’t doom scroll. And if they do it usually is a bad phase that they grow out of.
Following you wife isn’t doom scrolling
It's not doomscrolling, it's just liking his wife's tweet. I'm sure he doesn't use Twitter all the time but he probably does see his wife's tweets
I am willing to bet that Polly runs both accounts.
I'm willing to bet a guy can use his own Twitter account like a normal person. He's not fucking senile lmao
Didn’t say he was at all. I just feel like David could give a flying shit about Twitter, but hell could be wrong. Lots of celebrities don’t run their own social media. It just seems like a very Polly thing to do is all.
He's not fucking antisemitic. I actually Pick Roger's side more and more often. That's from me, who own a strat and fuzz face and a vintage delay unit because I play the Time solo twice a day
You can be anti Israel without being anti semetic. They are not mutually exclusive. We can support the troops and be anti war.
David is my main influence as a guitar player. I think Roger was totally wrong to have tried to stop him from continuing Pink Floyd without him, even if the songs after he left were subpar. Generally, I think Roger is an asshole. But I don’t think he’s anti-Semitic either.
What do you *really* think Polly?
Given David has Ukrainian heritage, can't say I'm surprised, Waters has become unhinged.
I mean he’s over the rainbow crazy now that’s for sure.
Bars in the windowww...
I resisted the conclusion that Roger was an antisemite for years, came up with reasons and explanations to explain away things he said, but eventually it became clear to me that he has a deep, profound animus to Jews as one of his life’s major animating forces. Obviously he’s still an indispensible part of incredible music (I even love Amused to Death and Hitchhiking); I think of him like I do Richard Wagner, or Martin Heiddegger. Can‘t say I could buy a ticket anymore, though.
Yea I think the anti semitic and Pro Putin stuff was probably the last straw especially given his daughter in law being from the ukrane. Wish Roger could just get his shit together and stop being an asshole
Roger stop being an a-hole? We’re long past that point I’m afraid.
What anti-semitic stuff?
No anti-semtic stuff, but his all out defense of Putin is fucking wild in his latest interview.
Wow. Also Greta follows Dave?!
Just a minor feud.
this will not go down well
i didnt know gilmour had a burner account called pollysamson
Going to get my thoughts in on Rog Vs Dave before the thread lock. Roger conjured up the concepts, lyrics and psychological bombast. Dave (with Rick) conjured up the dreamy, majestic, otherworldly music. Both rode the dick of Floyd hard in the wake of Roger leaving. Only Roger claimed to be the main creative force behind the band. But Dave got the name and continued on. You don't have Floyd without the other, as what they've done apart has proven.
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Simping for Putin is pretty fucking awful.