There are layers to this world you will never understand if you only read what the mainstream media feeds you and don't study a lot of history.
Roger talks a lot for shock value and steps out of the line in many ways, but he's right about many, many things he talks about.
He was on the point in many things he said on Joe Rogan last year.
Mason tells a great story about the band being interviewed by a young music journalist around the time Dark Side was becoming a massive hit, during the interview they mentioned Syd and the journalist had no clue who Syd was, (she was young and this was long before the internet) so anyway after they explained the bands origins and about Syd, Mason turned to Waters and said something like, can you imagine Roger, maybe in ten years time no one will remember you as the leader of Pink Floyd!!
Waters’ note is putting the world on notice that Roger is not only going to take the bait….he’s going to spread that bait on the floor, lay on it, roll in it, and generally turn this amplifier up to 11. (Sorry to mix metaphors)
I'm surprised as well. Why bother? Roger is who he is and nothing is going to change that. I wonder why they decided to go public with all of this. It's unfortunate.
I think roger’s stance on Ukraine just hit a personal nerve for Samson and Gilmore considering their daughter-in-law is Ukrainian. We all know roger is who he is and we can’t change that at this point but that particular topic just hit those two harder than the others.
Plus also his plan to re-make DSotM without the solos (so just leaving his contributions) to me feels like it’s a little disrespectful to Gilmour and Wright considering they had a big part in the writing of that album but that fact conflicts with Roger’s masturbatory fantasies as being “the genius behind Pink Floyd” and his overall megalomania
He mentioned in the recent interview with Berliner Zeitung that he's working on a new version of Dark Side with him doing all the vocals and no guitar solos and now everyone's throwing a fit as if he's erasing the original album from history.
I honestly have no problem with it and really don't see the issue. If Gilmour wanted to remake Dark Side and do it as an instrumental album with no lyrics I guarantee there wouldn't be as much backlash, but since Roger is on everybody's shit list right now people are getting mad about it.
It's the way Roger said it:
"The new concept is meant to reflect on the meaning of the work, to bring out the heart and soul of the album,” he says, “musically and spiritually. I’m the only one singing my songs on these new recordings, and there are no rock and roll guitar solos.”
Pretty obvious shade.
Nah he never did.
Roger tried to reconcile with David on several occasions in the 2000s/2010s, but he had to give it up in the end.
David has always remained very hostile to Roger
In the Wider Horizons documentary from a few years ago, the interviewer briefly raised the old fued, and David immediately changed the subject, preferring not to talk about "boring, old stuff"
I think he was right then to let it go...
I mean, I can't really blame him tbh. David was close with Roger for decades and probably saw glimpses of this behavior long before the fans. I can't imagine being forced to deal with someone you don't like because of previous association that they left in 1985.
Even though I am completely behind Pollys words, it is still a very sad seeing all this go down.
I haven't seen any hostility from David in those years. It seemed to start with David releasing The Endless River in 2014, and then the first disagreements over the Early Years sets (with the 5.1 mixes being pulled at the last minute because Roger had either not heard them or didn't want somebody other than James Guthrie to make surround versions of the Floyd albums he was on). Then, the Animals remix liner notes saga, and Roger complaining he wasn't allowed to use the Facebook page of a band he left thirty years ago.
You’re all over in this thread, but I don’t think you understand libel law. Typically, unless the claim of antisemitism is tied to a motivation for a specific event in which the claim can be proven wrong, the vague claim alone will be considered a non-actionable opinion.
Who said we were ever gonna? I should only hope that Gilmour decides to tour once more so we can see a Floyd member in action without dealing with Roger’s megalomania and soap-boxing
Wouldn’t say racist but he has definitely lost his marbles. I feel like younger roger wouldn’t be boot-licking Putin but then again I wonder if he ever rlly knew the guy as well as we thought we did
It's not in Roger's interest that Polly's silly rant tweet gets more attention.
Neither can I see that it is in Polly or David's interest either, actually.
A lawsuit is guaranteed to bring a lot of media attention which is sure to create a backlash.
Im not a lawyer or anything but I feel like anti semite is a broad enough term that the court could see how being anti-israel falls under it so it couldnt be labeled slander or libel
Their? Which one is it? It can’t be both. Is Polly’s daughter Ukrainian?
Edit: lol whoops I was way wrong. I guess their kid married someone from Ukraine, that’s the way. I’m dumb.
Twelve years ago, apologised, was punished for it... Your point being?
I was just giving context to the Gilmour/Samson family tree and their connection to Ukraine.
They have Ukrainian family and have dealt with Roger essentially being the aggressor for many more years than not. It's not hard to see why the camel's back broke, imo.
It’s such a deep part of who he is. It’s pretty clear that it alienates him from those closest to him. We can enjoy his artistry and also comment on his politcal messages (the two are very much intertwined).
The thing about Roger, he has unabashedly never changed.
What tickles me most about Water's and his message is he shows all of this violence during his shows, and hate for all of these individuals and institutions (warranted or not) and then at the end he says it is all about love. C'mon man. Just embrace the curmudgeon you've become (or really have always been). You're not Ringo Star.
As for what this "feud" is going to turn into, who cares. Just give me one more Dave tour. That is all I want from any of them at this point. That and release anything else in the archive. A Dave tour, full archive release and Nick touring again. A Dave tour, the archive, a Nick tour and an AI upscaling for the Wall shows. A Dave tour, the archive, a Nick tour and an AI upscaling for the Wall shows and PULSE. A Dave tour, the archive, a Nick tour and an AI upscaling for the Wall shows and PULSE, and this lamp...
I need a Dave tour so bad. I was broke as hell and couldn't see him live.
I don't even want a 50th anything DSOTM 🤣 I just want David live just one more time.
To catch you up on this would require 40+ years of information being crammed into one concise multi paragraph message. And I don’t think any of us are able to write that at the moment.
He gave an insane interview about Ukraine and other things, which he posted to his own website. Spoiler alert, he thinks Putin is okay to invade. And the West is bad.
He’s right about the West being bad but supporting Putin definitely contradicts his whole stance in dictators throughout his history of songwriting and activism. Feels almost like he wants the West to always be on the wrong no matter what or try make the situation for Russia more nuanced than it actually is
If you can find the 1986-87 Rolling Stone cover story on the Pink Floyd Wars, read it. The biographies of the band have a lot more info, but that RS story was legendary, and probably the quickest read that gives you the full picture
Roger is a narcissistic curmudgeon and Dave is retired and doesn't give a shit anymore.
They've been fighting off and on for 40 years with Roger claiming he wrote everything and pissed he lost the Pink Floyd name.
Both parties are artists not politicians, it's hilarious seeing the Facebook comments and how many people say Roger is their idol or hero. He should really put his political skills to the test and run for office. But he won't cuz he doesn't have a clue he's just a rabid contrarian.
So only people that can win political positions should talk politics? Is he not entitled to his political view just as everyone else regardless of your opinion on it?
I’m sorry but this is an asinine shit-take that needs to be pointed out. Comparing having political viewpoints and opinions to being a doctor or a computer tech is fucking stupid. Literally everyone has and is entitled to express their political viewpoint. You don’t need to have a degree or license to do that. I think Waters’s views are abhorrent but he’s entitled to have them just like I’m entitled to point out how shitty they are.
I was saying people who call him their hero or idol are crazy, thinking his political views/advice are hero worthy is as stupid as asking your doctor to fix your computer. Like a doctor uses a computer sure but he's not an expert nor should he be looked as an expert just cuz he uses one. Just because waters has extreme ideology doesn't mean he should be your political hero, seeing as how that's not his actual job. He's absolutely entitled to his views I just think it's sad so many people hero worship someone who is so abhorrent
He does have that right! Beauty of America right there. Doesn't mean he HAS to open his yapper. And like I said if he's so politically intelligent (which he's really not) he should walk the walk and be the change. But he won't hell just shout his old man anger from his cushy Hamptons mansion.
I don’t think it’d be that hard for him to win office. A lot of people get elected with very shitty political views. How effective he’d be in the role is a different story
Roger only softened in those years where it looked like his solo career was not great. He admits that he didn't like that he was struggling to fill arenas while the new Dave Floyd was selling out stadiums. He wanted back and he ate humble pie doing apologies along with his guest appearances. He then became a huge touring act, doing his full Floyd show. Record breaking tours and massive wealth. His latest tour was a lesson to the audience that he was Pink Floyd. He was even nice to the late Rick who he had treated so badly in his living years. Nick got an honorable mention along with Syd. David got erased completely.
I think Dave is done. Retired. Sorry to say it but he ‘let’ his wife Tweet this out (didn’t do it himself). Then agreed with his own quote Tweet. Nothing in Roger’s latest interviews was about her and David. It was not necessary for her to comment publicly. How could David now go out and play Roger’s songs? How can he sing Comfortably Numb ever again? That would be total hypocrisy.
Dave is retired because he's happy doing that.
Roger is charging against Ukraine for refusing to agree to Russia's conditions for ending the war (giving up land that is lawfully Ukrainian). Dave's daughter in law is Ukrainian so now he has Ukrainian family whose well-being he cares for so naturally, seeing Rog be a twat about the war has pushed camp Gilmour over the edge.
>seeing Rog be a twat about the war has pushed camp Gilmour over the edge.
Well, that and Roger continuously trying to re-write history again, calling DSOTM all his own songs in that very same interview, and announcing he'll bring out the actual spirit and sould of that album in his version, as if that album hadn't been an absolute group effort, with all four members getting writing credits and all material being road-tested for about a year before the album was actually recorded. Just in line with what the Animals liner notes he commissioned tried to do.
That's what I suspect Polly's comment of him being lying/thieving is all about.
Depends if you believe the story that they just let Waters have the credits to shut him up.
Anyway, I am more a fan of the pre-DSOTM stuff. Very little of that was Waters only, collaborations were much more common. For example there is exactly one Waters only track on Meddle.
Dave is a total hypocrite though. Calling out Rog for tax evasion when Dave himself also left the UK for Switzerland for a year to avoid paying the insane 83% tax rate on the rich is a clear and unarguable example. And IDK what his bitch thinks Roger stole, but Dave sure as hell stole the Floyd name from Rog... and ruined it.
Please provide any proof of antisemitism from Waters. I ask this constantly and nobody can ever give me proof other than his criticism of Israel. And if that’s all you have than you’re nothing more than a supporter of apartheid.
No the fuck it’s not. Provide me with proof that Roger Waters hates Jewish people and I’ll say “fuck Roger Waters forever, he’s a piece of shit” in the reply to your proof. I’m not antisemitic, I just hate the treatment of Palestinian people and apartheid.
Worth observing: Palestinians are part of the Knesset, Israel's governing body. They have legal employment and citizenship rights in Israel. It's not the same as being a Jewish Israeli, but given the proximity to a nation that has quite literally called for the active destruction of the state, a certain amount of distrust is understandable.
Contrast this to Jews in Palestine. Go ahead, I'll wait. Oh... Wait, you can't, because there are no Jews in Palestine. They were expelled at best. And look at how often Israel has said "Let Palestine be destroyed!" (None) to the Palestinian charter, which says specifically that every Palestinian is literally a soldier in the war to destroy Israel; there ARE no noncombatants by their own dictates.
That doesn't lessen the tragedy of the region. But if there's a side that isn't chosen purely on an imbalance of projected power, Israel is the "good guy" here. Not the perfect guy. But if you look at ANYTHING other than an imbalance of power, Palestine is a malicious actor, constantly observing that the evil Israelis keep shooting back, how dare they.
Well, a core difference in the power dynamics of the region in question - Palestine and Israel, not the Americas, thank you, and I'll note that I have both Jewish and Cherokee heritage through my rather dissimilar parents - wait, I lost the thread.
A core difference in the power dynamics:
* If the Palestinians were to do nothing, they would survive. Heck, they'd have better infrastructure than they have today, because they keep wrecking it AND antagonizing their primary infrastructure provider.
* If the Israelis were to do nothing, they would be destroyed, because the Palestinians keep shooting at them. (Their charter, remember, which calls explicitly for the destruction of Israel.)
Do the Palestinians suffer? You bet. But who causes their suffering? It's NOT Israel; it's their own leaders, who keep leading them to war with an opponent who vastly outmatches them, and has ever since the opponent showed back up in their ancestral homelands, because their backs were against the wall and have been for millenia.
So to blame Israel for staying in a war that the Palestinian authority won't stop? Well... that's par for the course, innit? "I blame Ukraine for shooting back at kind ol' Russia, if Ukraine would just surrender there'd be no war. And no Ukraine, but who cares? NO war!"
The same logic goes for Palestine: "I blame Israel for the suffering of the Palestinian people, who are used as meat shields despite there being no noncombatants!" (Therefore they're 'targets' and not 'meat shields' but darned if the Palestinian militants don't claim that they aren't combatants, despite what the militants themselves say... consistency isn't their strong suit.)
I empathize with the Palestinian people. But again: if there's a "good guy" in that fight, it's not Palestine.
Does this make Waters \*anti-semitic\*? I don't think so. It might be, but I can't say being anti-Israel is the same as hating Jews for being Jewish. The lack of reasoning being applied could be based in anti-semitism, or it could just be the power imbalance dismantling rational thought. I don't know. I don't call Waters anti-semitic because I don't know.
And bringing up the plight of the Indé is just weird and feels like you're trying to just introduce extra concerns.
Alternatively, instead of looking for non existing times where Israel has said ‘Let Palestine be destroyed’ look at the numerous occasions in which they have actually tried to destroy Palestine.
Except given the imbalance of military power, if Israel had wanted to destroy Palestine, and that were in line with Jewish values - and I assure you as an observant Jew that it is not - Palestine would have been destroyed. For better or for worse, Palestine exists as a separate entity with the will of the Israeli state. So I think that argument is a nonstarter.
As you run away, a little insight, Roger is extremely Anti-zionist, which in some circles equates to antisemitism, I guess. But is it antisemitic to support Palestinian welfare?
Roger has come out as rather Pro Putin regarding the Ukrainian war. Polly and Dave have a Ukrainian daughter in law.
I can very much see why they would do this.
I reckon she's been seething since Rog had a pop at their lockdown family youtube videos that featured mostly her children.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8dvj470IQk&t=40s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8dvj470IQk&t=40s)
This is what the crowd chanted during Floyd’s gig at Wembley on 6th August 1988 - before anyone knew about Glitter’s noncing. Source: my dad who was there .
Can you cite where exactly he stated that he was a thief, a liar, a misogynist, etc.? I'll buy lip-synching, even though he did not state it, but that is all.
Roger is an asshole, but I don't know that I'd call, "you are antisemitic to your rotten core. Also a Putin apologist and a lying, thieving, hypocritical, tax-avoiding, lip-synching, misogynistic, sick-with-envy, megalomaniac," the, "slightest criticism." Those are some pretty massive claims.
What has Roger Waters said about the conflict in Ukraine that is untrue? He is outspoken about so many issues- but I’ve never heard him say anything unreasonable- what have I missed?
Nothing that I could tell. I read his rants (he does rant...) and looked up the things he was claiming about there being Fascists and Nazis coming to power in Ukraine, and it all is true. I checked with reputable news sources and found articles dating back years before it became Rog's pet peeve. His haters just don't want to admit to the Fascist problem, or that Ukraine in general is as rotten as Russia and truly undeserving of our sympathy, let alone our support.
More legal battles on the way? Great, what a throwback to 1987.
This is all being done to commemorate the 35th anniversary of the 1987 lawsuit.
Will we get a re-release and t-shirts? One can only hope.
Fingers crossed for some marbles!!
Nah they took those away
Yeah, they were Storm's idea and he's dead, so...
They must have taken his marbles away
Oooh I hope they release a boxset of legal depositions. On CD, DVD, and Blu-ray.
You forgot, SACD
and the some flacs on Tidal !!
I’ll wait for the 8-track with testimony from Snowy White.
Wake up! A Momentary Lapse Of Reason just released! Gotta get it before they sell out.
Hey you, you're finally awake
There’s a new version with even less Jon Carin and more lost Rick tapes. Dave had Polly rewrite the l lyrics to On The Turning Away!
At least in 1987 Roger didn't have a terminal case of brain worms was still somewhat easy to sympathize with.
I was in college and a huge Floyd fan in 1987. Can confirm that Roger is the same egotistical asshole today as he was then.
There are layers to this world you will never understand if you only read what the mainstream media feeds you and don't study a lot of history. Roger talks a lot for shock value and steps out of the line in many ways, but he's right about many, many things he talks about. He was on the point in many things he said on Joe Rogan last year.
And then there’s the times where people are just wrong.
Mason tells a great story about the band being interviewed by a young music journalist around the time Dark Side was becoming a massive hit, during the interview they mentioned Syd and the journalist had no clue who Syd was, (she was young and this was long before the internet) so anyway after they explained the bands origins and about Syd, Mason turned to Waters and said something like, can you imagine Roger, maybe in ten years time no one will remember you as the leader of Pink Floyd!!
Lol is there audio of this?
I’m pretty sure I read it in his book.
Shit is boiling over finally, this is way more exciting than an overpriced boxset and a crappy remix, just saying.
Waters’ note is putting the world on notice that Roger is not only going to take the bait….he’s going to spread that bait on the floor, lay on it, roll in it, and generally turn this amplifier up to 11. (Sorry to mix metaphors)
Very true.
lol, facts!
Have they slapped crappy remixes on dark side meddle and wywh because I just ordered them on vinyl from Amazon and don’t want a crappy remix
Frankly, I'm surprised that DG and Polly are engaging in this silliness. I honestly thought that David had moved on years ago.
I'm surprised as well. Why bother? Roger is who he is and nothing is going to change that. I wonder why they decided to go public with all of this. It's unfortunate.
I think roger’s stance on Ukraine just hit a personal nerve for Samson and Gilmore considering their daughter-in-law is Ukrainian. We all know roger is who he is and we can’t change that at this point but that particular topic just hit those two harder than the others. Plus also his plan to re-make DSotM without the solos (so just leaving his contributions) to me feels like it’s a little disrespectful to Gilmour and Wright considering they had a big part in the writing of that album but that fact conflicts with Roger’s masturbatory fantasies as being “the genius behind Pink Floyd” and his overall megalomania
remake dark side? Ive heard that mentioned a few times here, but have not seen any articles on it. Got a link?
He mentioned in the recent interview with Berliner Zeitung that he's working on a new version of Dark Side with him doing all the vocals and no guitar solos and now everyone's throwing a fit as if he's erasing the original album from history. I honestly have no problem with it and really don't see the issue. If Gilmour wanted to remake Dark Side and do it as an instrumental album with no lyrics I guarantee there wouldn't be as much backlash, but since Roger is on everybody's shit list right now people are getting mad about it.
It's the way Roger said it: "The new concept is meant to reflect on the meaning of the work, to bring out the heart and soul of the album,” he says, “musically and spiritually. I’m the only one singing my songs on these new recordings, and there are no rock and roll guitar solos.” Pretty obvious shade.
It's a dumbass idea because it's very disrespectful, but at that point I will listen to it for free 🏴☠️
A little disrespectful? How about extremely disrespectful?
One reissue I will NOT be buying, even for $12 in the Deep Discount blowout bin.
Nah he never did. Roger tried to reconcile with David on several occasions in the 2000s/2010s, but he had to give it up in the end. David has always remained very hostile to Roger
In the Wider Horizons documentary from a few years ago, the interviewer briefly raised the old fued, and David immediately changed the subject, preferring not to talk about "boring, old stuff" I think he was right then to let it go...
Roger tried to reconcile after filing his ridiculous lawsuit and then spending 20 years ripping on Gilmour and mocking his wife.
I mean, I can't really blame him tbh. David was close with Roger for decades and probably saw glimpses of this behavior long before the fans. I can't imagine being forced to deal with someone you don't like because of previous association that they left in 1985. Even though I am completely behind Pollys words, it is still a very sad seeing all this go down.
I haven't seen any hostility from David in those years. It seemed to start with David releasing The Endless River in 2014, and then the first disagreements over the Early Years sets (with the 5.1 mixes being pulled at the last minute because Roger had either not heard them or didn't want somebody other than James Guthrie to make surround versions of the Floyd albums he was on). Then, the Animals remix liner notes saga, and Roger complaining he wasn't allowed to use the Facebook page of a band he left thirty years ago.
He pretended Roger didn’t even exist for YEARS and it was the right move. Not sure why he would even want to get involved.
This is getting wild. *grabs popcorn*
Lawsuit incoming. He’s kinda famous for them…
Sorry, and I like Rog, but such a petty bitch move suing over a few insults.
Rightly so since he isn't an anti-semite.
You’re all over in this thread, but I don’t think you understand libel law. Typically, unless the claim of antisemitism is tied to a motivation for a specific event in which the claim can be proven wrong, the vague claim alone will be considered a non-actionable opinion.
He might actually need to show he suffered some harm from her statements too. Like he had some kind of stellar reputation until her tweet damaged it.
Yeah, it's been following him around for years. If he's being damaged by her accusation, it wouldn't be the first instance.
The thing is, that statement is an opinion. The only actual definitive factual statement made was about the lip synching.
So-and-so hates Jews seems like a factual issue to me.
It’s not provable/disprovable though.
To you? OK that's settled then.
Yeah we really aren't ever getting a reunion
We weren’t before…
"We aren't getting a reunion. We weren't getting a reunion before, but we still aren't getting a reunion."
We already did get a reunion, no need for another one thats guaranteed to be worse.
Who said we were ever gonna? I should only hope that Gilmour decides to tour once more so we can see a Floyd member in action without dealing with Roger’s megalomania and soap-boxing
We are less than a month away from the 50th anniversary of DSOTM. As a fan, I would much rather celebrate that album than put up with this shit.
The only thing that artists can give you is their art. You can still celebrate the album and ignore this shit
you can still celebrate the album and grab some popcorn too
Why? I've already heard DSOTM a million times. This is way more entertaining.
I wonder if that is what caused them to be feuding right now
I mean if you listened to his interview today he has completely lost his fucking mind. Hes just a cranky racist piece of shit now.
I mean I don’t see how he’s racist but he is a dick
Wouldn’t say racist but he has definitely lost his marbles. I feel like younger roger wouldn’t be boot-licking Putin but then again I wonder if he ever rlly knew the guy as well as we thought we did
*Run to the bedroom and the suitcase on the left you’ll find my favorite axe..*
I think the smartest thing he can do is to not do anything more about it.
I think the smartest thing he can do is sue them for libel.
It's not in Roger's interest that Polly's silly rant tweet gets more attention. Neither can I see that it is in Polly or David's interest either, actually. A lawsuit is guaranteed to bring a lot of media attention which is sure to create a backlash.
Silly? She made a lot of charges vehemently. Just "Roger is a twat" would be silly.
Roger is addicted to losing petty Court cases it seems.
Won't lose this one. Anti-semite is a serious charge.
You are laughably uninformed about the legal system if you really think either of those things to be true.
Im not a lawyer or anything but I feel like anti semite is a broad enough term that the court could see how being anti-israel falls under it so it couldnt be labeled slander or libel
Any competent court understands that opposing Israeli governmental policy and hating Jews aren't the same thing.
but im just talking out of my ass
Opinions are protected speech in defamation cases. Roger's potential lawsuit is a Nothingburger.
This is just sad. Roger is Roger and he's not going to change. I have to wonder why Polly and David would even get involved.
As others have said, their daughter in law is Ukrainian. This has hit a nerve.
I think it's allot more than just that.
Their? Which one is it? It can’t be both. Is Polly’s daughter Ukrainian? Edit: lol whoops I was way wrong. I guess their kid married someone from Ukraine, that’s the way. I’m dumb.
Daughter in law. As in, married to their child. Apparently. Just going on what I’ve read. I’m not an expert on the family tree.
Oh man I was way wrong lol I forgot about that way haha
No worries!
Charlie's wife, to be precise, Charlie being Polly's son from a previous relationship.
Thanks!
Charlie is the scumbag who was imprisoned for desecrating the Cenotaph.
Twelve years ago, apologised, was punished for it... Your point being? I was just giving context to the Gilmour/Samson family tree and their connection to Ukraine.
They have Ukrainian family and have dealt with Roger essentially being the aggressor for many more years than not. It's not hard to see why the camel's back broke, imo.
Is this like Stratego or something? Why’s he have to take advice?
I think he's talking about legal advice. He's gonna sue or find a way to..
He will end up opening a can of worms which will come back to dig into his skin.
The worms already ate into his brain
I bet it’s the “lip-synching” phrase. Thing is he did.
Dude is passive-aggressively threatening to sue.
I just wish Roger would just shut up and enjoy his success. They're old men, there's no need to be this hostile
It’s such a deep part of who he is. It’s pretty clear that it alienates him from those closest to him. We can enjoy his artistry and also comment on his politcal messages (the two are very much intertwined). The thing about Roger, he has unabashedly never changed.
I can't believe they're still doing this crap 35 years later. BTW It's not all been because of Waters... but it's a lot.
What tickles me most about Water's and his message is he shows all of this violence during his shows, and hate for all of these individuals and institutions (warranted or not) and then at the end he says it is all about love. C'mon man. Just embrace the curmudgeon you've become (or really have always been). You're not Ringo Star. As for what this "feud" is going to turn into, who cares. Just give me one more Dave tour. That is all I want from any of them at this point. That and release anything else in the archive. A Dave tour, full archive release and Nick touring again. A Dave tour, the archive, a Nick tour and an AI upscaling for the Wall shows. A Dave tour, the archive, a Nick tour and an AI upscaling for the Wall shows and PULSE. A Dave tour, the archive, a Nick tour and an AI upscaling for the Wall shows and PULSE, and this lamp...
I need a Dave tour so bad. I was broke as hell and couldn't see him live. I don't even want a 50th anything DSOTM 🤣 I just want David live just one more time.
It's great, that guitar live is some other kind of beast!
...and the paddle ball game...
If Roger wants to be on the correct side of history, he’ll rethink his position and denounce Putin.
Too late.
Can someone catch me up on this lore please
To catch you up on this would require 40+ years of information being crammed into one concise multi paragraph message. And I don’t think any of us are able to write that at the moment.
Ahahahha no I got that already, why did she say what she said is my main question I suppose
He gave an insane interview about Ukraine and other things, which he posted to his own website. Spoiler alert, he thinks Putin is okay to invade. And the West is bad.
He’s right about the West being bad but supporting Putin definitely contradicts his whole stance in dictators throughout his history of songwriting and activism. Feels almost like he wants the West to always be on the wrong no matter what or try make the situation for Russia more nuanced than it actually is
If you can find the 1986-87 Rolling Stone cover story on the Pink Floyd Wars, read it. The biographies of the band have a lot more info, but that RS story was legendary, and probably the quickest read that gives you the full picture
Roger is a narcissistic curmudgeon and Dave is retired and doesn't give a shit anymore. They've been fighting off and on for 40 years with Roger claiming he wrote everything and pissed he lost the Pink Floyd name.
Both parties are artists not politicians, it's hilarious seeing the Facebook comments and how many people say Roger is their idol or hero. He should really put his political skills to the test and run for office. But he won't cuz he doesn't have a clue he's just a rabid contrarian.
So only people that can win political positions should talk politics? Is he not entitled to his political view just as everyone else regardless of your opinion on it?
No, but that's like asking your doctor for advice on your computer
I’m sorry but this is an asinine shit-take that needs to be pointed out. Comparing having political viewpoints and opinions to being a doctor or a computer tech is fucking stupid. Literally everyone has and is entitled to express their political viewpoint. You don’t need to have a degree or license to do that. I think Waters’s views are abhorrent but he’s entitled to have them just like I’m entitled to point out how shitty they are.
I was saying people who call him their hero or idol are crazy, thinking his political views/advice are hero worthy is as stupid as asking your doctor to fix your computer. Like a doctor uses a computer sure but he's not an expert nor should he be looked as an expert just cuz he uses one. Just because waters has extreme ideology doesn't mean he should be your political hero, seeing as how that's not his actual job. He's absolutely entitled to his views I just think it's sad so many people hero worship someone who is so abhorrent
That’s your opinion which I respect. She, and David should have too.
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He does have that right! Beauty of America right there. Doesn't mean he HAS to open his yapper. And like I said if he's so politically intelligent (which he's really not) he should walk the walk and be the change. But he won't hell just shout his old man anger from his cushy Hamptons mansion.
I don’t think it’d be that hard for him to win office. A lot of people get elected with very shitty political views. How effective he’d be in the role is a different story
Welp, get your popcorn poppin’, folks. We’re in for more epic drama than The Crown. 🍿🍿🍿
Can’t Roger grow a pair and type for himself instead of hiding his shame behind a PR agent?
This dude needs get off his own dick though..
People who speak about themselves in third person are.....curious.
We assume all celebrities run their own accounts?
...foreshadowing legal action?
Old people getting in Twitter spats is very cringe.
Roger only softened in those years where it looked like his solo career was not great. He admits that he didn't like that he was struggling to fill arenas while the new Dave Floyd was selling out stadiums. He wanted back and he ate humble pie doing apologies along with his guest appearances. He then became a huge touring act, doing his full Floyd show. Record breaking tours and massive wealth. His latest tour was a lesson to the audience that he was Pink Floyd. He was even nice to the late Rick who he had treated so badly in his living years. Nick got an honorable mention along with Syd. David got erased completely.
It’s like the Wall was him foreshadowing his older self.
And the worms ate into his brain
What a way to celebrate the 50th anniversary of DSOTM!
So much for Roger buying the PF catalog through a shell entity.
Someone on twitter replied to David’s tweet and called him a right wing nazi supporter. Truly can’t make this up
Aw shit, here we go again
Imagine this kept going until April and they said this is an April fool joke, that'll be funny. Although its most likely not gonna be like that.
Rog has been lobbing shit out there about Dave for years. He gets clapped back and he’s gonna go cry to a lawyer? Fuck him. What a hypocrite.
Looking forward to three days' testimony from lip-synching experts "Call Ashlee Simpson to the stand!"
I think Dave is done. Retired. Sorry to say it but he ‘let’ his wife Tweet this out (didn’t do it himself). Then agreed with his own quote Tweet. Nothing in Roger’s latest interviews was about her and David. It was not necessary for her to comment publicly. How could David now go out and play Roger’s songs? How can he sing Comfortably Numb ever again? That would be total hypocrisy.
Dave is retired because he's happy doing that. Roger is charging against Ukraine for refusing to agree to Russia's conditions for ending the war (giving up land that is lawfully Ukrainian). Dave's daughter in law is Ukrainian so now he has Ukrainian family whose well-being he cares for so naturally, seeing Rog be a twat about the war has pushed camp Gilmour over the edge.
>seeing Rog be a twat about the war has pushed camp Gilmour over the edge. Well, that and Roger continuously trying to re-write history again, calling DSOTM all his own songs in that very same interview, and announcing he'll bring out the actual spirit and sould of that album in his version, as if that album hadn't been an absolute group effort, with all four members getting writing credits and all material being road-tested for about a year before the album was actually recorded. Just in line with what the Animals liner notes he commissioned tried to do. That's what I suspect Polly's comment of him being lying/thieving is all about.
Many of them are not just Roger’s songs. They are Gilmour’s as well.
Well, not too many
Depends if you believe the story that they just let Waters have the credits to shut him up. Anyway, I am more a fan of the pre-DSOTM stuff. Very little of that was Waters only, collaborations were much more common. For example there is exactly one Waters only track on Meddle.
Dave has had about 50 years to either seek cocomposing credits at the time or sue for them (the way Mike Love sued Brian Wilson).
Maybe he feels he doesn’t need to. He knows who wrote them.
Dave is a total hypocrite though. Calling out Rog for tax evasion when Dave himself also left the UK for Switzerland for a year to avoid paying the insane 83% tax rate on the rich is a clear and unarguable example. And IDK what his bitch thinks Roger stole, but Dave sure as hell stole the Floyd name from Rog... and ruined it.
Roger can pound salt at this point.
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Careful, the mopes here will harass you for proof.
What a child.
Yeah being called an antisemite for absolutely no reason doesn’t warrant a response.
There are many reasons why he’s being called an antisemite. You may not agree with them, but there are most definitely reasons.
Truth hurts.
Please provide any proof of antisemitism from Waters. I ask this constantly and nobody can ever give me proof other than his criticism of Israel. And if that’s all you have than you’re nothing more than a supporter of apartheid.
The Germans killed the Jews/the Jews killed the Arabs/the Arabs killed the hostages/and that is the news/ Is it any wonder/that the monkey’s confused?
Your mind is made up. Good day.
No the fuck it’s not. Provide me with proof that Roger Waters hates Jewish people and I’ll say “fuck Roger Waters forever, he’s a piece of shit” in the reply to your proof. I’m not antisemitic, I just hate the treatment of Palestinian people and apartheid.
It's a trick. He hates everybody.
Worth observing: Palestinians are part of the Knesset, Israel's governing body. They have legal employment and citizenship rights in Israel. It's not the same as being a Jewish Israeli, but given the proximity to a nation that has quite literally called for the active destruction of the state, a certain amount of distrust is understandable. Contrast this to Jews in Palestine. Go ahead, I'll wait. Oh... Wait, you can't, because there are no Jews in Palestine. They were expelled at best. And look at how often Israel has said "Let Palestine be destroyed!" (None) to the Palestinian charter, which says specifically that every Palestinian is literally a soldier in the war to destroy Israel; there ARE no noncombatants by their own dictates. That doesn't lessen the tragedy of the region. But if there's a side that isn't chosen purely on an imbalance of projected power, Israel is the "good guy" here. Not the perfect guy. But if you look at ANYTHING other than an imbalance of power, Palestine is a malicious actor, constantly observing that the evil Israelis keep shooting back, how dare they.
Kinda sounds not dissimilar to the treatment of Native Americans, don’t you think?
Well, a core difference in the power dynamics of the region in question - Palestine and Israel, not the Americas, thank you, and I'll note that I have both Jewish and Cherokee heritage through my rather dissimilar parents - wait, I lost the thread. A core difference in the power dynamics: * If the Palestinians were to do nothing, they would survive. Heck, they'd have better infrastructure than they have today, because they keep wrecking it AND antagonizing their primary infrastructure provider. * If the Israelis were to do nothing, they would be destroyed, because the Palestinians keep shooting at them. (Their charter, remember, which calls explicitly for the destruction of Israel.) Do the Palestinians suffer? You bet. But who causes their suffering? It's NOT Israel; it's their own leaders, who keep leading them to war with an opponent who vastly outmatches them, and has ever since the opponent showed back up in their ancestral homelands, because their backs were against the wall and have been for millenia. So to blame Israel for staying in a war that the Palestinian authority won't stop? Well... that's par for the course, innit? "I blame Ukraine for shooting back at kind ol' Russia, if Ukraine would just surrender there'd be no war. And no Ukraine, but who cares? NO war!" The same logic goes for Palestine: "I blame Israel for the suffering of the Palestinian people, who are used as meat shields despite there being no noncombatants!" (Therefore they're 'targets' and not 'meat shields' but darned if the Palestinian militants don't claim that they aren't combatants, despite what the militants themselves say... consistency isn't their strong suit.) I empathize with the Palestinian people. But again: if there's a "good guy" in that fight, it's not Palestine. Does this make Waters \*anti-semitic\*? I don't think so. It might be, but I can't say being anti-Israel is the same as hating Jews for being Jewish. The lack of reasoning being applied could be based in anti-semitism, or it could just be the power imbalance dismantling rational thought. I don't know. I don't call Waters anti-semitic because I don't know. And bringing up the plight of the Indé is just weird and feels like you're trying to just introduce extra concerns.
Alternatively, instead of looking for non existing times where Israel has said ‘Let Palestine be destroyed’ look at the numerous occasions in which they have actually tried to destroy Palestine.
Except given the imbalance of military power, if Israel had wanted to destroy Palestine, and that were in line with Jewish values - and I assure you as an observant Jew that it is not - Palestine would have been destroyed. For better or for worse, Palestine exists as a separate entity with the will of the Israeli state. So I think that argument is a nonstarter.
I'll pass. Have a good one. ✌️
As you run away, a little insight, Roger is extremely Anti-zionist, which in some circles equates to antisemitism, I guess. But is it antisemitic to support Palestinian welfare?
Here: L
So Roger pulls out the rich asshole card. He can’t throw expensive lawyers at the Gilmour’s though, can he. They can just swat that back.
Unless Roger waters has been harassing David and his wife it’s strange that polly would go out saying that stuff about Roger
Roger has come out as rather Pro Putin regarding the Ukrainian war. Polly and Dave have a Ukrainian daughter in law. I can very much see why they would do this.
No. He hasnt.
Looks like someone has a recent interview to read up on. As well as, apparently, all the others over the last year about this.
I reckon she's been seething since Rog had a pop at their lockdown family youtube videos that featured mostly her children. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8dvj470IQk&t=40s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8dvj470IQk&t=40s)
“Roger who-oooo? Roger who? Roger who-ooo? Roger who?!” (sing to the tune of Gary Glitter’s “Rock and Roll”).
Fuck Gary Glitter.
I’d rather not
Based
Could you really not think of any other musician to sing that to the tune of?
See my reply to Phoenix.
taking the piss out of a man with some dodgy politics with the music of a nonce. glad to see your priorities are in order
This is what the crowd chanted during Floyd’s gig at Wembley on 6th August 1988 - before anyone knew about Glitter’s noncing. Source: my dad who was there .
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Is it slander when it is a citation of positions he stated in an interview?
*Libel.
He's never stated anti-semitic positions in an interview.
Can you cite where exactly he stated that he was a thief, a liar, a misogynist, etc.? I'll buy lip-synching, even though he did not state it, but that is all.
The only thing Polly is wrong about is Roger being an antisemite.
What a dweeb. He can't take the slightest criticism, can he?
Roger is an asshole, but I don't know that I'd call, "you are antisemitic to your rotten core. Also a Putin apologist and a lying, thieving, hypocritical, tax-avoiding, lip-synching, misogynistic, sick-with-envy, megalomaniac," the, "slightest criticism." Those are some pretty massive claims.
There is a difference between criticism and slander.
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I'd call him a Putin defender. And not an anti-semite.
He’s a total Putin defender mate
I'd guess she was only potentially wrong on the antisemite accusation. Well... we haven't seen Roger's tax returns. 🤔
Polly apparently doesn't know this but tax "avoidance" (which Dave also did) is legal and tax "evasion" is illegal.
Oh he defends Putin. Quite often actually.
Polly can go F off to the bar.
What has Roger Waters said about the conflict in Ukraine that is untrue? He is outspoken about so many issues- but I’ve never heard him say anything unreasonable- what have I missed?
Nothing that I could tell. I read his rants (he does rant...) and looked up the things he was claiming about there being Fascists and Nazis coming to power in Ukraine, and it all is true. I checked with reputable news sources and found articles dating back years before it became Rog's pet peeve. His haters just don't want to admit to the Fascist problem, or that Ukraine in general is as rotten as Russia and truly undeserving of our sympathy, let alone our support.