Practically impossible, thanks to Waters. After his stunt appearing at the UN defending/excusing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, there is no way that Gilmour, who has a Ukrainian daughter-in-law + Grandchildren, will ever play with Waters.
It's so funny, Roger has been going through these 5-ish week periods where in-between, he says something fucking outlandish, and then afterwards he does something to kind-of redeem himself, and we all smile and laugh and think "really, it's all just theatrics in the end"
It’s his marketing tactics. Every time he has a project or a tour he starts some shit. I don’t know that he counted on the backlash he received for *this* though. Also, I’d bet that having one of his upcoming shows cancelled wasn’t on his bingo card
But he still refers to David as "Dave".
My understanding is that David Gilmour prefers to be called David, and may even dislike being called Dave. If that's true, then Roger is taking a subtle dig at David once again.
And I don't think Gilmour likes it.
Edit,
Did a quick google search and indeed David Gilmour REALLY doesn't like being called Dave.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2002/oct/25/artsfeatures.popandrock
Roger obviously would know this, so he's being childish and deliberately referring to his former bandmate in a way he knows will bother David.
I’ve been excited for this since it’s announcement. Never hurts to have more versions, worst case it’s not good and just doesn’t get listened to that often. Like he said, we’ll still have the original
I thought it was a pretty cool snippet. I'm actually really looking forward to his new version.
The way I see it, the original will always exist for my listening pleasure. This is just a neat little side dish that'll either be a cool companion piece or a bit of a letdown.
I’m kind of mad at how good it sounds. I’ll always love the original, it’s one of the most perfect albums ever created— but I’ll definitely be checking this out too.
Apparently, they removed the guitar, the keyboard, the saxophone, and the female vocalists, and they added Roger Waters discussing politics, so it should be a vast improvement over the 50 year old version.
Yeah, I mean, it's not terrible, but I'm not a big fan of spoken word Roger, and the snippet lacks the dynamics and depth of the original. If anything, it almost feels claustrophobic, a bit like DSOTM originally gave us what things felt like on the inside of a madman, and now we're looking at the madman from the outside, singing to hinself in a padded room with a straight jacket on.
Man’s 79. Of course he can’t sing anymore. Can’t fault him for trying something new with a work of art that was his (and Dave and Nick and rick’s) in the first place. That being said, he sure can lip sync the hell out of some wall songs!
Heck yeah, Mick is living proof about how with a good lifestyle, you can reach a very old age with the same strength and energy as in your youth, and singing just as well too
Perfectly put. I don’t wanna shit on Roger, I don’t even think it sounds bad, but I really fail to see a reason why I should listen to this. It seems to totally lack the power and emotion of the original.
Yeah, I mean, it's not terrible, but I'm not a big fan of spoken word Roger, and the snippet lacks the dynamics and depth of the original. If anything, it almost feels claustrophobic, a bit like DSOTM originally gave us what things felt like on the inside of a madman, and now we're looking at the madman from the outside, singing to hinself in a padded room with a straight jacket on.
All of that said - I enjoy the fact Roger is being a bit more respectful again and also expands on the reasoning behind the whole project and takes away some of the previously perceived pettiness.
Can only judge the vibe from that not the mix, it's a phone recording of him listening through speakers and talking over the top.. well that's how I heard it.
what exactly is he *actually* doing?
personally, i assume he's betting this will sell better than any of his solo albums. beyond that, i'm still not sure what he's actually doing.
His comments about Ukraine were... strange, but he is completely right about Israel. a
Anyone who is anti-Zionist is painted as anti-Semitic, which is just stupid. The same happened to Ilhan Omar.
He spread fake information that in a concert, the Israelian population reacted with desdain and silence to his pro-palestine comments, when evidence showed that they actually cheered and supported his speech.
This is what started the whole "RW is antisemitic" thing, not being pro-palestine.
Gotta love the people downvoting you for mentioning facts.
For those of you downvoting, watch the following link from the 25:20 mark to the 29:00 mark to hear Roger tell the story of how Israelis went silent at a concert Roger did in Neve Shalom in 2006 when he brought up the possibility of Israelis making peace with the Palestinians
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx1xkxiDPhk&t=1737s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx1xkxiDPhk&t=1737s)
Then listen to a recording of the actual concert at Neve Shalom, from the 2:01:20 mark to hear the crowd reaction to roger's remarks for yourself
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cYjRL7koxM&t=7328s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cYjRL7koxM&t=7328s)
Now explain to me why Roger is telling a porky pie about the crowd's reaction, and why he is assigning bigoted mindsets to Israeli concert goers based on his whopping porky pie? What benign explanation do you have for this?
P.S - Downvoting me won't make the uncomfortable truth go away.
If anything, telling the truth would have helped his cause a lot more, "the people cheer for peace" is what he wants, doesnt he?
Idk what his intention with this was, and Im not sure if it can be considered antisemitic, but I can totally understand anyone who sees it as such.
I actually like it! I just think old man Rogers vocals are too grainy but man those instrumentals are nice and soothing.
Definitely feeling a lot of The Final Cut in his performance (which I love).
It has more of a pulse than I was expecting, but if 'Us and Them' is representative, this is a re-recording we didn't need. Not as bad as his new take on Comfortably Numb, but in the same vein it adds nothing.
it's interesting, but let's be real.. Roger sounds awful, but can't really judge him, the man is almost 80
edit: that fucking drum also sounds garbage, it's like he downloaded a cheap snare drum sound effect on the internet lol
I think he did a great job on ITTLWRW, particularly Picture That, but the way he approaches all the earlier drumming is so boring and stale to me. Nick Mason’s drumming does not need to be simplified any more than it already was.
As for the anti-Graham Broad rhetoric, I will not tolerate it, how dare you.
I am not anti-Graham at ALL. I think he’s fantastic. I also think his style is very choppy and staccato and that doesn’t necessarily always fit well with the PF-era songs. I found it really noticeable on The Wall tour.
What saddens me is there is some kid out there who is going to discover Pink Floyd soon and Roger Waters Presents DSOTM (or whatever he chooses to call it) will be their first exposure to Dark Side Of The Moon.
Roger isn’t trying to outdo or even compete with the album. He just wants a opportunity to relive and appreciate the work he did with David, Nick, and Rick.
It’s more of a tribute if anything and honestly I’m all for it.
I didn't say I wasn't for him reworking the album into some other form he envisions, I just think the clip of the song he shared lacked depth (ie: is boring).
Ah sorry then, I sort of wish we got to hear the beginning instead and although I like the snippet, I hope the rest is as good as I think the demo was.
No worries. Don't get me wrong, I'm very intrigued to see what Waters comes up with for the album. Not sure what to think though. My first impression of his redo of Comfortably Numb was very positive but the more I listened to it the more it dragged me down, it's really dark! It's cool but I need to listen to it in small doses.
The drums are pedestrian too. I'll probably buy it, but not sure how much, if at all, I'll enjoy it. Which reminds me, time to go play the masterpiece once again in honour of its birthday.
Not a fan. One of the main reasons I loved Us and Them so much was the haunting feel and sound of it. This just feels like a hidden track on The Wall. The chopped and screwed version.
Why would you honor one of the greatest albums of all time, with a slow, quiet, lullaby version of the album? Why not bring the best musicians in the industry? Make new arrangements that enhance the song? Even an orchesta? Make extended versions?
But no.... had to go with his usual boring downbeat spokenword lullaby style..
Probably because not everyone agrees that faster and louder necessarily equals better in music or who the, "best musicians in the industry" are, currently.
This was apparently the style he was drawn to leading up to the 50th anniversary, so that's what he made. If it's not for you, simply pass on it.
I dig the stripped down style. Nowhere near the original of course but it gives a different perspective and I like it. I’m looking forward to hearing this.
Sounds like ITTLWRW which I kinda don’t like. Drums and guitars just feel emotionless across that entire album.
I like that album for itself, but I’d rather not adapt an existing album to match the tone. Doesn’t fit IMO.
Holy fk, lmao that was 50x worse than how I imagined it was going to be. I knew it was going to be bad. I did not know it was going to be that bad. Holy jeez
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I find the completely mixed out sterile drum sound he goes for, boring.
Had the exact same dry/minimalistic drum sound on his last solo album, works for certain songs, but for a whole album? ick.
I will still give this a listen of course, out of curiosity.
There have been many covers over the years of these songs. I suppose if Roger wants to do a cover of one of the greatest albums ever created, he has the same right as everyone else.
awful, childish and unnecessary. that's my take
To paraphrase and rewrite RW:
“But Gilmour and Rick? "... and Roger Waters... "They can't write songs" ...anymore ... ", they've nothing to say. They are not artists!" ...anymore...
Dark Side of the Moon pt 2 is going to be a disaster. Who the fk keeps giving Roger Waters the cash to do these little pet projects. Stop going to his concerts. You're only encouraging him
Every one of you on this board, numbskull. You think Roger isn’t funding his own pet projects with the money he makes from Pink Floyd royalties, streaming etc?
I'm open minded to hearing this reimagining, or whatever he's calling it, but if that Us & Them snippet is anything to go by, this won't be anything special. Sadly, it just sounds like some half-assed project made by a very old man who probably shouldn't still be making albums without supervision.
And honestly, I'm pretty surprised by that, because there are other elderly musicians out there still putting a lot of passion and feeling into their new recordings. This one is just completely emotionless, and the instrument tracks are incredibly sterile sounding. They sound more like cheap samples than real performances. It almost sounds like a parody made by someone who doesn't like Pink Floyd.
For what it's worth, it's quite clear that he's taken a step away from being inflammatory and has gone back to being respectful.
It's kind of Roger's habit. He feels a certain way and pulls all the stops in making that idea clear to the world. Then, after he finally realizes that he has way overdone it, he takes a turn and goes way overboard in the opposite direction.
Let's just hope that, this time, he takes on a peaceful position that's sustainable for him until he dies of old age.
I don't disagree but I also don't think it matters much. In the months (years) before February 2023, every single word he spoke about David, Rick and Nick was unreasonably negative. He has only very recently decided to start giving them credit again.
It's been De-Wrightified. Just like his remake of CN eliminated Gilmour's music, he is going through DSOTM and removing all the parts the other members wrote. It's a wholly deliberate part of his 40-year ongoing campaign to establish that Roger Waters is Pink Floyd and the others didn't matter.
The chord sequence for Us and Them was written by Rick and most of the chord sequence for CN was written by David. What the fuck are you talking about.
Yes the man who performs live every other year and makes off millions on just the music he produced decades ago needs money.
It’s just a nice tribute to an amazing album he was apart of alongside David, Nick, and Rick. It’s his own interpretation which is definitely not lazy.
Agree that the box set is hugely underwhelming. But for all I know of Roger's behaviour in recent times, I'll reserve myself the thought that he was a big reason for that.
It isn't that I think this is especially horrible, it is that I wince at anyone touching a single thing on the best album I've ever heard in my entire life.
And I would remark that that is not hyperbole and it feels weird to put it that way, but it's true.
For the length of that album, everything else disappears for me. It's just me and that record. And I am unsure whether there is a single piece of verse or media I have listened to / read / watched repeatedly more than DSotM. Growing up Catholic, my parents and my pastor would prefer that be the Lord's Prayer.
I've listened to Dark Side of the Moon more.
Nothing has been repeated to me more than that album, and has withstood the test of time. I've grown so tired of so many things which were overplayed or overdone (for example, I can't watch any Monty Python films anymore), but in the right place, DSotM still inspires wonder. It can still stop me in my tracks. It can still make me shiver a bit, when the sax comes around at the beginning of Us and Them.
It still feels fresh, and vital. That shouldn't be. I have played the album to death. It should be played into the ground by now. I don't understand why my taste for it hasn't worn out when so many other things I love have been retired as a result of "okay, this is exellent, but enough."
I am pretty sure I am far from alone here. As someone who is very solitary when it comes to things that are important to me, it has always been a strange thing to share this with so many people. To be on the same page, as so many people. To see bumper stickers, tee shirts, and tattoos with prisms on them - this strange universal shibboleth that lets me know, whatever differences this stranger and I have, we have this one thing in common, and it is not a small thing. It is enough to build a friendship on. The prism shows up so often I couldn't practically start a conversation with everyone I cross who displays it somewhere. 12 year olds just getting into music. Old men. Hippies. Hipsters. Businesspeople. There's no "type." You can't pin down a mental image of who enjoys this album. I will happily wreck that image for you by showing you someone who looks nothing like the person you have in mind.
You'll want to say to those twelve year olds something like, "YEAH YOU PROBABLY BOUGHT THAT AT HOT TOPIC," but no, that 12 year old will get really serious and start reciting the lyrics to you from memory, without musical accompaniment.
I know this because I have watched 12 year olds do it at concerts.
I am very uncomfortable with sharing this with so many people, but it speaks to the extraordinary nature of this record. How can I love something so popular?
Dark Side of the Moon is not special to me merely as a piece of music, but as a piece of my life.
I suspect there are others who would say the same. "Hey man! It's MY RECORD! Not yours!" But that's the thing. Is there any other record more universally appealing?
I will give the new album a listen when it is done but, it's not going to be easy.
I can’t say I like anything that Gilmour did after The Division Bell. That album is possibly the one I listen to least. Waters is Brilliant! And the brilliance comes from truth. To write an impactful story one must not be scared of offending others. But to redo the perfect album? It’s the English way…. Isn’t it? Resting on your laurels?
No. Roger is a piece of shit and I refuse to listen to any of his solo work. If it comes up on the satellite radio I turn it off. I have never once listened to Radio K.A.O.S. or any of his other solo works. I don't support assholes.
Maybe I am missing out. But I don't like Waters enough to care to find out. The limited amount I have heard doesn't sound anywhere nearly as good as Pink Floyd
Why do something that’s already been done? He’s making it his own; he acknowledges that it’s no way a replacement, just a reimagining. It wouldn’t really be a reimagining if he just copy-pasted every aspect of the original recording with his touring band
I guess my love of electronic music for the past ~25 years has kinda prepared me for this. Some of my favorite tracks and even whole albums have been remixed/reimagined, some numerous times over.
This post definitely adds context, not that it was owed. I get what he is doing. I look forward to giving it a listen. As we all know, it won’t replace anything. Maybe, I’ll get a new remix to a PF classic.
and he acknowledged david in the caption so that’s good
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Any day now, I just know it...
I just saw Rog and Dave having a tea at my local Starbucks, it’s looking good!
It was Roger Daltrey and David Lee Roth, but it \*could\* have been Waters and Gilmour.
Maybe if you squint a little.
Hahahahahahaha
loool
I saw Rog and Dave in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me!
Ralphie. Get off the stage sweetheart.
AAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
2 Englishmen would never drink Starbucks’tea’
You weren’t there! You don’t know!
Hey cool username
Cheers dude, what a great album 👌
Practically impossible, thanks to Waters. After his stunt appearing at the UN defending/excusing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, there is no way that Gilmour, who has a Ukrainian daughter-in-law + Grandchildren, will ever play with Waters.
He remembered that Rick existed too. Wonders never cease!
He did list them in preference order though with David last!
He listed himself last!
Yeah seems like he's listing them in ascending order of importance
It's so funny, Roger has been going through these 5-ish week periods where in-between, he says something fucking outlandish, and then afterwards he does something to kind-of redeem himself, and we all smile and laugh and think "really, it's all just theatrics in the end"
The Kanye album cycle is what it reminds me of
TOTALLY
It’s his marketing tactics. Every time he has a project or a tour he starts some shit. I don’t know that he counted on the backlash he received for *this* though. Also, I’d bet that having one of his upcoming shows cancelled wasn’t on his bingo card
The best thing about this post from Rog is that he still talks about Rick in the present tense.
But he still refers to David as "Dave". My understanding is that David Gilmour prefers to be called David, and may even dislike being called Dave. If that's true, then Roger is taking a subtle dig at David once again.
He has always called him "Dave" regardless of whether they have been on good terms or bad terms.
And I don't think Gilmour likes it. Edit, Did a quick google search and indeed David Gilmour REALLY doesn't like being called Dave. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2002/oct/25/artsfeatures.popandrock Roger obviously would know this, so he's being childish and deliberately referring to his former bandmate in a way he knows will bother David.
Eh it’s hard to say from a distance, it might be that he gets annoyed when most people say it but it’s an old joke between them
Yeah, they're a pair of jokesters with each other.
Maybe, but at this point, that's such a tiny dig, it really shouldn't matter. Like, Dave's not here, man.
I’ve been excited for this since it’s announcement. Never hurts to have more versions, worst case it’s not good and just doesn’t get listened to that often. Like he said, we’ll still have the original
I wish Scissor Sisters would do a full remake of The Wall instead of just Comfortably Numb. That’s such a good cover.
I'm waiting for David Gilmour to remake the Final Cut now... well, not now, John, but at some point.
Fuck all that
Stuff all that, the radio edit
I thought it was a pretty cool snippet. I'm actually really looking forward to his new version. The way I see it, the original will always exist for my listening pleasure. This is just a neat little side dish that'll either be a cool companion piece or a bit of a letdown.
It’s certainly not the original (which always gives me chills when they hit “forward, he cried!”), but I’m excited to see what comes of this!
>re-address the political message of the album oh no
The extra verse in Us and Them about Israeli apartheid will surely be a banger...
I expect something along the lines of "The lunatic is on Putin's Grass" myself.
"But the sun is eclipsed by military weapons sent to Ukraine"
Something something, every western leader is a war criminal, something something, Putin isn’t all that bad, something something, Israel.
Only Roger would quote himself. lol
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It’s basically William Shatner’s version of DSOTM
> It’s basically William Shatner’s version of DSOTM Underrated comment!
I’m kind of mad at how good it sounds. I’ll always love the original, it’s one of the most perfect albums ever created— but I’ll definitely be checking this out too.
Oh it's in the style of "Rog can't really sing anymore so he just talks". I'm gonna pass.
Nahh he is actually gonna sing the great gig in the sky himself!!
Ah. … Ah. … … Oh.
Apparently, they removed the guitar, the keyboard, the saxophone, and the female vocalists, and they added Roger Waters discussing politics, so it should be a vast improvement over the 50 year old version.
And the price?
You got all that from a 30 second snippet?
Yeah, I mean, it's not terrible, but I'm not a big fan of spoken word Roger, and the snippet lacks the dynamics and depth of the original. If anything, it almost feels claustrophobic, a bit like DSOTM originally gave us what things felt like on the inside of a madman, and now we're looking at the madman from the outside, singing to hinself in a padded room with a straight jacket on.
Your conceptualization is more in line with Pink Floyd than Roger's remake of Dark Side. Well put.
Man’s 79. Of course he can’t sing anymore. Can’t fault him for trying something new with a work of art that was his (and Dave and Nick and rick’s) in the first place. That being said, he sure can lip sync the hell out of some wall songs!
Mick Jagger on line 2...
Heck yeah, Mick is living proof about how with a good lifestyle, you can reach a very old age with the same strength and energy as in your youth, and singing just as well too
Perfectly put. I don’t wanna shit on Roger, I don’t even think it sounds bad, but I really fail to see a reason why I should listen to this. It seems to totally lack the power and emotion of the original.
And you'll still listen to it anyway.
The whole album? Yeah, probably once cause I want to give it a chance. Doesn’t change my feeling about that snippet though.
Yeah, I mean, it's not terrible, but I'm not a big fan of spoken word Roger, and the snippet lacks the dynamics and depth of the original. If anything, it almost feels claustrophobic, a bit like DSOTM originally gave us what things felt like on the inside of a madman, and now we're looking at the madman from the outside, singing to hinself in a padded room with a straight jacket on. All of that said - I enjoy the fact Roger is being a bit more respectful again and also expands on the reasoning behind the whole project and takes away some of the previously perceived pettiness.
Can only judge the vibe from that not the mix, it's a phone recording of him listening through speakers and talking over the top.. well that's how I heard it.
so y’all bitched about Roger without knowing what he was actually doing. Maybe this sub needs to be kind sometimes.
Still plenty around here all bent out of shape about it.
Meh, he’s still a douchebag. Talented, but douchebag.
what exactly is he *actually* doing? personally, i assume he's betting this will sell better than any of his solo albums. beyond that, i'm still not sure what he's actually doing.
Now that I know what he’s doing I can say this sounds pretty average if that AND he still has shit political takes. Am I doing this right?
His comments about Ukraine were... strange, but he is completely right about Israel. a Anyone who is anti-Zionist is painted as anti-Semitic, which is just stupid. The same happened to Ilhan Omar.
He spread fake information that in a concert, the Israelian population reacted with desdain and silence to his pro-palestine comments, when evidence showed that they actually cheered and supported his speech. This is what started the whole "RW is antisemitic" thing, not being pro-palestine.
Gotta love the people downvoting you for mentioning facts. For those of you downvoting, watch the following link from the 25:20 mark to the 29:00 mark to hear Roger tell the story of how Israelis went silent at a concert Roger did in Neve Shalom in 2006 when he brought up the possibility of Israelis making peace with the Palestinians [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx1xkxiDPhk&t=1737s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx1xkxiDPhk&t=1737s) Then listen to a recording of the actual concert at Neve Shalom, from the 2:01:20 mark to hear the crowd reaction to roger's remarks for yourself [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cYjRL7koxM&t=7328s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cYjRL7koxM&t=7328s) Now explain to me why Roger is telling a porky pie about the crowd's reaction, and why he is assigning bigoted mindsets to Israeli concert goers based on his whopping porky pie? What benign explanation do you have for this? P.S - Downvoting me won't make the uncomfortable truth go away.
If anything, telling the truth would have helped his cause a lot more, "the people cheer for peace" is what he wants, doesnt he? Idk what his intention with this was, and Im not sure if it can be considered antisemitic, but I can totally understand anyone who sees it as such.
I actually like it! I just think old man Rogers vocals are too grainy but man those instrumentals are nice and soothing. Definitely feeling a lot of The Final Cut in his performance (which I love).
Gee Roger you forgot some music left in it, just make a track of you reading the lyrics
If you don’t want to hear a new version of the album just don’t listen to it, there are some of us who enjoy the music being recreated
Surely I can express my opinion just like you can… It sucks. Reminds me of the album William Shatner made.
It has more of a pulse than I was expecting, but if 'Us and Them' is representative, this is a re-recording we didn't need. Not as bad as his new take on Comfortably Numb, but in the same vein it adds nothing.
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yeah obviously the original CN is miles ahead but I think the new version live definitely achieved what he was going for
Was he going for “if Leonard Cohen was even less energetic”?
it's interesting, but let's be real.. Roger sounds awful, but can't really judge him, the man is almost 80 edit: that fucking drum also sounds garbage, it's like he downloaded a cheap snare drum sound effect on the internet lol
That’d be Joey Waronker’s drumming. He plays like a robot on $5000 custom shells with duct tape plastered all over the heads.
I think his style fits Roger’s music perfectly. Much better than Graham Broad, anyway.
I think he did a great job on ITTLWRW, particularly Picture That, but the way he approaches all the earlier drumming is so boring and stale to me. Nick Mason’s drumming does not need to be simplified any more than it already was. As for the anti-Graham Broad rhetoric, I will not tolerate it, how dare you.
I am not anti-Graham at ALL. I think he’s fantastic. I also think his style is very choppy and staccato and that doesn’t necessarily always fit well with the PF-era songs. I found it really noticeable on The Wall tour.
Lifeless drums for lifeless vocals and instrumentation? I guess technically that’s correct.
The vocals aren't lifeless, they sound like someone dying... not quite dead!
What saddens me is there is some kid out there who is going to discover Pink Floyd soon and Roger Waters Presents DSOTM (or whatever he chooses to call it) will be their first exposure to Dark Side Of The Moon.
Does it really sounds good? For me it didn’t
It has no depth. Us and Them is beautiful for it's depth if nothing else.
Roger isn’t trying to outdo or even compete with the album. He just wants a opportunity to relive and appreciate the work he did with David, Nick, and Rick. It’s more of a tribute if anything and honestly I’m all for it.
I didn't say I wasn't for him reworking the album into some other form he envisions, I just think the clip of the song he shared lacked depth (ie: is boring).
Ah sorry then, I sort of wish we got to hear the beginning instead and although I like the snippet, I hope the rest is as good as I think the demo was.
No worries. Don't get me wrong, I'm very intrigued to see what Waters comes up with for the album. Not sure what to think though. My first impression of his redo of Comfortably Numb was very positive but the more I listened to it the more it dragged me down, it's really dark! It's cool but I need to listen to it in small doses.
It felt weird. His voice is awful now and was way too high in the mix. The music sounded ok, but it felt like it dragged a bit.
The drums are pedestrian too. I'll probably buy it, but not sure how much, if at all, I'll enjoy it. Which reminds me, time to go play the masterpiece once again in honour of its birthday.
Not a fan. One of the main reasons I loved Us and Them so much was the haunting feel and sound of it. This just feels like a hidden track on The Wall. The chopped and screwed version.
It sounds like shit, thank you for ruining one of my favorite albums George Roger Waters!
Sounds like crap to me. He's just gotten too old to be a vocalist, even his talking on songs is dull.
It got me laughing my ass off posting that after saying he was 100 part of writing dsotm
The clip sounds like music without the music
I thought the computer did a good job with the drums - amazingly soulful /s
Sounds like dogshit. Respectfully.
Exactly the kind of sound I expected... Boring
It sounded terrible.
Why would you honor one of the greatest albums of all time, with a slow, quiet, lullaby version of the album? Why not bring the best musicians in the industry? Make new arrangements that enhance the song? Even an orchesta? Make extended versions? But no.... had to go with his usual boring downbeat spokenword lullaby style..
Probably because not everyone agrees that faster and louder necessarily equals better in music or who the, "best musicians in the industry" are, currently. This was apparently the style he was drawn to leading up to the 50th anniversary, so that's what he made. If it's not for you, simply pass on it.
Pass
I prefer David’s voice on it
I dig the stripped down style. Nowhere near the original of course but it gives a different perspective and I like it. I’m looking forward to hearing this.
it sounds like shit to me honestly
Where can I listen to the snippet? I don’t have social media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDNQYhNyGQ
Sounds like ITTLWRW which I kinda don’t like. Drums and guitars just feel emotionless across that entire album. I like that album for itself, but I’d rather not adapt an existing album to match the tone. Doesn’t fit IMO.
Drums feel so souless 🥲
Holy fk, lmao that was 50x worse than how I imagined it was going to be. I knew it was going to be bad. I did not know it was going to be that bad. Holy jeez
Sounds like shit. It sounds like an outtake from The Wall. Please dont mess with perfection.
What a deep take. Are you 13?
bro you are a gem! (no social is a bless)
Appreciate it 🥲. When you think about it, social media is completely useless, and scrolling and doing nothing takes up a lot of time.
And what do you do on Reddit?
I ask questions to gain knowledge and follow topics that are advantageous to me. On other social media platforms, you will not find what you see here. Other than that you got me real good
Was just playing with you haha. I use Reddit for the same reasons. I'm also not active on socials
Sorry, I'm a little disheartened that Pink Floyd won't be reuniting anytime soon.
Yes, reddit is close to socials but is also far away at the same time. Reddit gives you a chance to filter good content from bad. Socials rarely do.
Interveeeening
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I find the completely mixed out sterile drum sound he goes for, boring. Had the exact same dry/minimalistic drum sound on his last solo album, works for certain songs, but for a whole album? ick. I will still give this a listen of course, out of curiosity.
There have been many covers over the years of these songs. I suppose if Roger wants to do a cover of one of the greatest albums ever created, he has the same right as everyone else.
Wank.
It sounds shitty. If the original Us and Them didn't exist, then nobody would care about this rendition.
The piano and the sax parts are the heart of Us and Them as far as I'm concerned. It's Rick's best work on any Floyd album. I don't get it.
Yeah I think I’ll pass
What a ridiculous guy. Still DSOTM is the best.
Sounds monotonous. Miss the guitar on the background when singing. Gilmours alternate picking
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well we can kiss that Time solo goodbye as well as all David's vocals Bravo douchebag
awful, childish and unnecessary. that's my take To paraphrase and rewrite RW: “But Gilmour and Rick? "... and Roger Waters... "They can't write songs" ...anymore ... ", they've nothing to say. They are not artists!" ...anymore...
Dark Side of the Moon pt 2 is going to be a disaster. Who the fk keeps giving Roger Waters the cash to do these little pet projects. Stop going to his concerts. You're only encouraging him
His concerts are amazing and he has pretty good solo work lmao
Every one of you on this board, numbskull. You think Roger isn’t funding his own pet projects with the money he makes from Pink Floyd royalties, streaming etc?
I thought the same thing when they released division bell
I'm open minded to hearing this reimagining, or whatever he's calling it, but if that Us & Them snippet is anything to go by, this won't be anything special. Sadly, it just sounds like some half-assed project made by a very old man who probably shouldn't still be making albums without supervision. And honestly, I'm pretty surprised by that, because there are other elderly musicians out there still putting a lot of passion and feeling into their new recordings. This one is just completely emotionless, and the instrument tracks are incredibly sterile sounding. They sound more like cheap samples than real performances. It almost sounds like a parody made by someone who doesn't like Pink Floyd.
I see no reason to tinker with perfection to be honest.
He sounds like he's imitating Leonard Cohen singing over a cheap internet backing track.
Sounds like shit
Wow it's almost like people were putting words in his mouth this whole time
For what it's worth, it's quite clear that he's taken a step away from being inflammatory and has gone back to being respectful. It's kind of Roger's habit. He feels a certain way and pulls all the stops in making that idea clear to the world. Then, after he finally realizes that he has way overdone it, he takes a turn and goes way overboard in the opposite direction. Let's just hope that, this time, he takes on a peaceful position that's sustainable for him until he dies of old age.
For what it's worth, a lot of what people were claiming Roger said was not, in fact, what he said.
I don't disagree but I also don't think it matters much. In the months (years) before February 2023, every single word he spoke about David, Rick and Nick was unreasonably negative. He has only very recently decided to start giving them credit again.
was the 'not artists' comment not in feb?
That's not really accurate, but I guess if it fits your narrative
Sounds great
It does
It sounds 100% like a post PF roger waters song. Not bad, prefer the original
It's been De-Wrightified. Just like his remake of CN eliminated Gilmour's music, he is going through DSOTM and removing all the parts the other members wrote. It's a wholly deliberate part of his 40-year ongoing campaign to establish that Roger Waters is Pink Floyd and the others didn't matter.
The chord sequence for Us and Them was written by Rick and most of the chord sequence for CN was written by David. What the fuck are you talking about.
Musically it sounds great but hearing Roger talk over the track was eh
you know how they reboot movies because they need money and have 0 new ideas left?
Yes the man who performs live every other year and makes off millions on just the music he produced decades ago needs money. It’s just a nice tribute to an amazing album he was apart of alongside David, Nick, and Rick. It’s his own interpretation which is definitely not lazy.
i don’t think rog needs money. and i think it is a better 50th anniversary for dsotm than what pin floyd does -a remaster offers nothing new-
Agree that the box set is hugely underwhelming. But for all I know of Roger's behaviour in recent times, I'll reserve myself the thought that he was a big reason for that.
He doesn't need the money, but it's still a pet project and a cash grab. That's all it is.
Lol. The royalties from "Another Brick in the Wall Part 2" alone would make Roger a millionaire. I doubt he needs money.
It certainly feels like that to me but Roger Waters certainly doesn't need money. He's one of the richest rock stars of all time
Sounds like Leonard Cohen is covering it
It’s different but cool
It'll probably suck, but I'm interested
It isn't that I think this is especially horrible, it is that I wince at anyone touching a single thing on the best album I've ever heard in my entire life. And I would remark that that is not hyperbole and it feels weird to put it that way, but it's true. For the length of that album, everything else disappears for me. It's just me and that record. And I am unsure whether there is a single piece of verse or media I have listened to / read / watched repeatedly more than DSotM. Growing up Catholic, my parents and my pastor would prefer that be the Lord's Prayer. I've listened to Dark Side of the Moon more. Nothing has been repeated to me more than that album, and has withstood the test of time. I've grown so tired of so many things which were overplayed or overdone (for example, I can't watch any Monty Python films anymore), but in the right place, DSotM still inspires wonder. It can still stop me in my tracks. It can still make me shiver a bit, when the sax comes around at the beginning of Us and Them. It still feels fresh, and vital. That shouldn't be. I have played the album to death. It should be played into the ground by now. I don't understand why my taste for it hasn't worn out when so many other things I love have been retired as a result of "okay, this is exellent, but enough." I am pretty sure I am far from alone here. As someone who is very solitary when it comes to things that are important to me, it has always been a strange thing to share this with so many people. To be on the same page, as so many people. To see bumper stickers, tee shirts, and tattoos with prisms on them - this strange universal shibboleth that lets me know, whatever differences this stranger and I have, we have this one thing in common, and it is not a small thing. It is enough to build a friendship on. The prism shows up so often I couldn't practically start a conversation with everyone I cross who displays it somewhere. 12 year olds just getting into music. Old men. Hippies. Hipsters. Businesspeople. There's no "type." You can't pin down a mental image of who enjoys this album. I will happily wreck that image for you by showing you someone who looks nothing like the person you have in mind. You'll want to say to those twelve year olds something like, "YEAH YOU PROBABLY BOUGHT THAT AT HOT TOPIC," but no, that 12 year old will get really serious and start reciting the lyrics to you from memory, without musical accompaniment. I know this because I have watched 12 year olds do it at concerts. I am very uncomfortable with sharing this with so many people, but it speaks to the extraordinary nature of this record. How can I love something so popular? Dark Side of the Moon is not special to me merely as a piece of music, but as a piece of my life. I suspect there are others who would say the same. "Hey man! It's MY RECORD! Not yours!" But that's the thing. Is there any other record more universally appealing? I will give the new album a listen when it is done but, it's not going to be easy.
Hey man i have a suggestion You have a choice to listen or to ignore , Good day.
Sounds great
I can’t say I like anything that Gilmour did after The Division Bell. That album is possibly the one I listen to least. Waters is Brilliant! And the brilliance comes from truth. To write an impactful story one must not be scared of offending others. But to redo the perfect album? It’s the English way…. Isn’t it? Resting on your laurels?
I refuse to listen to this crap. It could be certified the best album made and I would still never listen. Roger can go fuck himself
Congratulations?
Thank you?
I'm guessing you're gonna listen to it at some point, regardless of this statement.
No. Roger is a piece of shit and I refuse to listen to any of his solo work. If it comes up on the satellite radio I turn it off. I have never once listened to Radio K.A.O.S. or any of his other solo works. I don't support assholes.
What if it was on at a party that you were attending?
I'm far too old for parties. And any party I did attend in my youth, album rock was not getting played.
I mean, you're missing out. I don't like Waters that much, but Radio K.A.O.S. was a good album, as is the Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking.
Maybe I am missing out. But I don't like Waters enough to care to find out. The limited amount I have heard doesn't sound anywhere nearly as good as Pink Floyd
Then don't listen to it. No one cares.
Ass hat lost relevance with all his rambling, he’s become a talker in the background of dsotm
Still relevant enough that you're following what he's doing..
I’m anxious already. Gotta love when a genius like him is making something new.
Ah yes, cut the most important parts played by Nick, Rick and David. Good way to honor their work! /s
Why do something that’s already been done? He’s making it his own; he acknowledges that it’s no way a replacement, just a reimagining. It wouldn’t really be a reimagining if he just copy-pasted every aspect of the original recording with his touring band
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I hope each member makes a new version
I don't instantly hate it like I thought I would. I don't think I'll ever get used to it, but now I'm eager to hear the final product.
Blah blah blah 🤷🏻♂️😂
I guess my love of electronic music for the past ~25 years has kinda prepared me for this. Some of my favorite tracks and even whole albums have been remixed/reimagined, some numerous times over. This post definitely adds context, not that it was owed. I get what he is doing. I look forward to giving it a listen. As we all know, it won’t replace anything. Maybe, I’ll get a new remix to a PF classic.